Deployable LZs

[old quiver]

Add deployable LZs into the game, which picks you up on a rope or something if you’re in a weird position. This game is very slow paced but this will help things in of ways.

[old quiver]

Pls consider this.

[old quiver]

@midnight marsh no one cares Mike

Enjoy your 1000 metre runs

[inland rock]

walks to objectives really are not a problem, especially since on your way there youll always encounter something to kill, steal, or start via hidden quest

this aint a fast paced game its slow paced

as is any game with a larger emphasis on the outdoors like idk a jungle country

[frigid gyro]

Also with this we will have helicopter queues like before COP's were a thing

SInce people will always take the easy route

[inland rock]

bro is on track to make the worse consecutive suggestions on the planet

[old quiver]

Takes forever to do anything

And I was saying it should cost alot to do

[tranquil sinew]

Desperately needed. Static LZs are an absolutely horrible part of the game. Dynamic infil and exfil should be the way we get around.

[frigid gyro]

In what way are they horrible?

[tranquil sinew]

They’re static. Aside from not being tactically realistic at all, it’s game breaking for PvP.

[old quiver]

It’s horrible in every way

[old quiver]

At least you got sense

🙏

[frigid gyro]

They are designated Landing zones that are deemed "safe", that why they are static, and in terms of PvP if your referring to LZ camping thats a completely viable strategy

[old quiver]

A strategy that just ruins the point of the game

You can’t go somewhere without getting fucked by some guy sat in a bush

Camping the LZ

[frigid gyro]

Then pick another LZ?

[old quiver]

If that’s being camped to?

It takes like 5years to run anywhere

[frigid gyro]

I gaurantee you every single LZ is not being camped at once

[inland rock]

mmm no it doesnt

[old quiver]

We being fr? Running takes ages

You barely have stam in this game

[frigid gyro]

Take a stim

[old quiver]

Not all people got em

[tranquil sinew]

It’s a viable strategy against an armed force that is absolutely stupid enough to only land its birds at known locations.

[mellow widget]

I'll just leave this here - the request isn't the same, but the end discussion is identical as to why this won't work.

https://discord.com/channels/1166365362158313522/1497698890080850192

[inland rock]

how does it take ages when almost all objectives are near some kind of LZ, and for the ones that do have some walk you get quests, things to kill, and things to steal in-between

you also understand this is a country right that youre exploring

[old quiver]

Also we need a option to be able to divert a heli mid flight

Should 100% be an option

[frigid gyro]

I would be interested in making LZ's dynamic, maybe they rotate to different areas every hr or something but deployable LZ's is not a good idea

[inland rock]

not possible because the heli system right now is like rail based

think of a train system

[old quiver]

Not possible but it could be

[mellow widget]

100% not viable. Read the thread I posted as to why.

[old quiver]

That’s atleast how it should be

Deployable LZs could cost like 50k and a heli fly’s over and pics u up with a rope or sum shit

Like a flare or sum

[inland rock]

you made your exfil take longer by roping

instead of just boarding the bird

and more vulnerable

[old quiver]

Couldn’t u just hold onto the ladder/rope

[old quiver]

They should keep the vulnerability

I’m happy with that

[inland rock]

we're not tom cruise sir you dont just cgi swing on some rope at tree level and say "yeah"

its also a little bird i should tell you and not a blackhawk or any helo with passenger capacity in mind

[old quiver]

A little bird can easily do that

[frigid gyro]

The issue with deployable LZ's is that it would increase Heli traffic (Which was a genuine issue before and not a fun one)

It would also mean that if you engage in PvP the enemy could just call a LZ and dip in the middle of combat which has the same effect as combat logging

And one last thing it would take an enormous amount of time to program helis to be dynamic and not collide with trees and buildings

[inland rock]

is there a reason why its not sop for militaries and intelligence agencies globally

[old quiver]

Idk what helis you’ve been in bro 😭

[old quiver]

I was military and smaller helis can do that purpose

[mellow widget]

To quote myself in the thread I linked:

"Compute cycles allocated per instance would almost certainly spike if choppers are having to be rerouted dynamically on the fly.

Those resources would likely have to come from those allocated to the AI, which many of us think is lacking in numbers/braindead already.

If the choice is between smarter/more AI map wide, or dynamic rerouting/cancellation of in-flight helis, it's not much of an choice.

While I would personally love the ability to cancel a heli, I think the only time it makes sense is when it hasn't picked you up yet, and thus hasn't spawned in and allocated those resources yet."

[inland rock]

you being in the military doesnt change the fact that no sop in any countries military or paramilitary makes it so you can get on a small insertion helo via clinging to its rope and it flying away like its a movie

[old quiver]

Smart words

[inland rock]

like thats just not a thing sir

[old quiver]

Routinely done tho

🤷‍♂️

[inland rock]

yeah thats not routinely done lol

[old quiver]

Like rn this is my loot

I can’t run

So another option could be the deployable LZs

[icy meteor]

It's an interesting idea but I just don't think it works for this kind of game. It would be incredibly immersion breaking.

[old quiver]

They could easily make a way tho, there developers

Its there job

[midnight marsh]

Counterpoint: extracting while over-encumbered SHOULD be difficult and increase risk and this is a tactical decision that you're making.

[old quiver]

I like this point

[midnight marsh]

Because why bother playing the game if it just plays itself?

(we just need the AI to be more challenging)

[icy meteor]

Even if they could I would not want that feature. I think any military or PMC outfit would just tell their operators to suck it up and go to a designated LZ rather than pick them up in a possibly hostile environment with poor visibility.

[old quiver]

1million percent we do

[old quiver]

I’m suggesting spots be limited

But closer

[icy meteor]

Think we just have to agree to disagree on this.

[old quiver]

Yh

[icy meteor]

In essence you're just suggesting more LZs at the end of the day ultimately.

Like I said, interesting idea but I think it's a waste of developer time and resources. If they need to add more LZs they can easily do that without programming this whole deployable system.

[frigid gyro]

What do you think of dynamic LZ's? So lets say each faction has their own LZ and each hr they rotate the locations

[icy meteor]

I think that's more sensible and immersive than the deployable idea.

[mellow widget]

So you become locked out of an LZ you might want to take, but can't because of a random rotation in the area?

No thanks, that's just the road to craziness and frustration.

[icy meteor]

Yeah at the end of the day I don't think that's necessary either

[frigid gyro]

Hm true didnt think of that, might make a suggestion post to discuss the pros and cons lol

Dont wanna invade another persons post lol

[icy meteor]

I mean maybe because I only PvE I don't run into the same issues as PvP but the current LZ system is just fine as it is. Don't see a need to muddy waters. Rather the devs focus on other things.

[frigid gyro]

I mostly play PvE too but have heard a lot of frustration about LZ camping, which yes is a genuine strategy but this could be a way to mitigate it in a more realistic sense

[icy meteor]

I mean you have extract camping in extraction shooters and there really is no perfect way to combat that. It's just kind of an unavoidable nature to these types of games.

[glass cove]

i mean the only wayto kinda fix it or just lower the chances to happening to u is just to add much more igger map like 4/6times bigger than this one that we have

[frigid gyro]

Holy

Yeah lets let the dev team expand the map 4x bigger because of LZ camping

I dont see an issue

xD

[mellow widget]

Or just use LZ's further away and walk to your destination - or walk the whole way.

Most people just want to get in and out fast, and using the most convenient method of the closest LZ is almost always going to get you killed.

[glass cove]

i dont also (just sayed that cause im giving your brain propaganda about bigger map)

[frigid gyro]

I was being sarcastic haha, a bigger map is probably never gonna happen, there is still plenty of room to fill the current map anyways

[tranquil sinew]

At the end of the day , calling for extract and popping smoke/IR strobe is how it’s done in the real world. Not walking to the parking lot that’s 50 yards from a supposed enemy occupied territory. It’s dumb as shit.

[icy meteor]

Yeah let's risk a helicopter and pilot that costs several millions of dollars to save our PMC 10 minutes of walking lol

[frigid gyro]

I hope these guys never play Dayz

[glass cove]

10min? what are u a snail or smth?

Pop styringe for stamina and be a flash

[mellow widget]

Ultimately, walking is always going to be safer.

But as a general rule, players just don't have the patience to walk and want the "easy" option of a close LZ.

Using the close LZ is a tactical choice and risk, and entirely on them for making that choice. Bitching about it afterwards because they made that poor choice and got killed for it is on them too.

[icy meteor]

Well to that point, assuming the game is like 8x real world time then 1.25 minutes of real world time would be 10 minutes in the game.

[glass cove]

then we would move 10times faster, so it means that our operators are fat to not be able to run with like 25/35kg eq on us for more than 1min

jk

[inland rock]

contractors*

we most definitely are NOT operators

[icy meteor]

Ok well that's just being pendantic lmao

[inland rock]

ye its irrelevant to this but it is true

we are money hungry blood thirsty reckless thieves in a war torn defacto multi-dictatorial country that wants us to leave despite our forced entry from outside covert backing

and thats cooler than being an "operator"

[neat meadow]

lol that's a lie

a complete lie

i don't think i've been shot at a single time at an lz this patch

definitely haven't died at one. maybe shot at a couple times.

all you need to do is put some minimal thought into where you're landing

if there's a fight at diamond and you're landing india 2... what are you doing

[mental vessel]

+1
If anything make it something else

Tarkov has a btr, could be a atv run back home or smth I mean, just considering a different exfill would be nice it dosent have to be atv or deployable Lz’s

[mental vessel]

Bro plays on dead servers or smth 😂
It is not the same as before (thank god) but you still have campers and fights at these

Notice sometimes, jump off the heli run as fast as u can, then just cut it in some bushes crouch, and 10 sec later you hear steps going past

Shit is still scary, but yeah they should def work on things so each area works like a map you load into, that should generally have minimum 1 player from the other faction

I know in an open world like this, it will be hard but it must come down to task system, it has to take you around the map all the time with smth to work for and good incentives to keep you coming back

I hope we will get some auto generated tasks in the future instead of just going through the same ones all the time

[old quiver]

Exactly bro idk what servers he be playin on

He playin in South Africa or sum shi

Cause Lobby’s I be playin in ain’t that safe 😭

[tranquil sinew]

You must be playing pve

[neat meadow]

Nope. I've done all my tasking and looting Warfare.

[neat meadow]

I just don't land at risky LZs. It only takes a few extra minutes to walk from a farther LZ.

Meanwhile I watch a full chopper of teammates get wiped out because they landed at India 2 to attack Diamond.

I also use Strych a lot to get around. I have 3 Strych in my secure case and bring 1 extra Strych for the landing.

[tranquil sinew]

I dont know what to tell you then. Everyone else is playing on busy servers where people actually camp LZs. Solutions need to happen for people that are having the average experience.

[neat meadow]

No you're just making bad decisions and refuse to acknowledge that.

Show me a video of you getting camped at an LZ that also includes a look at the map before you land.

Also I'm not saying actual LZ camps don't ever happen. They're just exceptionally rare.

Like when people want to attack Bronco and land Delta 2.

Or they go for Savannah and land Delta 3/4.

Or landing Foxtrot 1 to attack Argos.

Just stop doing that and you'll be fine.

[tranquil sinew]

“Everyone should play like I play and things that don’t happen to me aren’t happening to anyone”

You’re a fucking idiot. Stop offering input

[neat meadow]

"I stand upright and still in the open near a contested COP and get headshot. It's not fair."

"I run in a predictable straight line at the enemy from where I spawned. It's not fair."

[tranquil sinew]

Yes, all of your assumptions are correct and everyone else is bad at the game. You’re the best, a grayzone god, the devs should bow before you at your mastery of the game

[neat meadow]

All I'm saying is don't land at risky LZs. That's it. Pick another LZ. It's not rocket surgery.

[tranquil sinew]

They should put a fedora in the game for you

In fact, they shouldn’t fix anything else in the game since you play it perfectly and everyone else just can’t figure it out

We should all be paying you for access to game mastery tutorials. You figured it all out, and thank god you did. Now we all have a remote chance at being as good as you.

[neat meadow]

Are you going to make an actual point? lol

I'm not trying to upset you bro. All I'm saying is don't land at risky LZs.

Are you saying you're not landing at risky LZs and still being LZ camped?

[tranquil sinew]

The point is you’re an idiot with confirmation bias that can’t accept input and experience from others.

[mental vessel]

That is true tho, if one takes the time to gather some info before inserting the map can give you a little bit of it

I don’t land in the middle of 3 enemy objective either, better to walk in, or take smth further away as you said

[mellow widget]

Goes back to what I said earlier.... #1502072943503478936 message

[old quiver]

Idk what gray zone these mfs be playing must be playing south Africa or PVE

[frigid gyro]

Yup **almost **everyone who complains about LZ camping just pick the LZ closest to where they are going and give no thought to what the enemy might be doing

[old quiver]

Ballshit

I’ve been murdered on numerous random LZs