make factions not split and where other factions can team with other factions 16 man teams gone

[scenic talon]

16 player teams is not it having everyone on your mini map its not it its exploit get another pc load in on other faction go hunt its not okay being not able to team up with csi or mith as lri is not it at all

you need real high tier loot one or 2 100k items that are super rare .01 percent chance to get and they spawn randomly in chests etc. so you build the eco and have a player trader market

holding your self back and it should be my team vs everyone and everything this in not big team battles its a extraction looter shooter open world

[mild torrent]

How would the FOBs still be raid worthy if they're going to represent a safezone to all PMCs?

You lost me.

[scenic talon]

they want to be an extraction looter shooter but are as of right now a 16v16v16 big teams battle of contol the point lmao they need to fix it and actually work on being a extraction looter shooter and not a big team battle of king of the hill

[mild torrent]

I think you may be a bit confused, they've since pivoted from extraction shooter to MMOFPS.

[unique quiver]

Why do you think they want to be an extraction, looter, shooter?

[scenic talon]

cuz it is one like what

[cosmic pulsar]

COPs distinguish it pretty massively from extraction shooters considering you can shop and access your stash in the field

[abstract tide]

And if we was same faction why will be be fighting in PvP??

[scenic talon]

you would only be a team with your group your squad of 4 this creates a real team going into lamang and faceing it head on and coming out or dieing puts the risk higher and makes the game loop more enjoyable

and gives you more pvp and more players and action and fighting

4v44

plus ai

[copper pecan]

or 1v47?

[cosmic pulsar]

So you want to play Tarkov

[scenic talon]

the factions kill the player base split it and keeps it one faction sided no one can play together everyone that does play together has to make sure they are on same factions etc its wild

i play tarkov i dont want to play it do

and this game has huge potential but factions is not it

this is cod big team battles of control the point

16v16v16 kinda sad fr

[abstract tide]

They just need to make a way to join non faction members in pve, but the faction idea is good and I think it not going no where

[cosmic pulsar]

In my opinion your idea would fundamentally ruin the game for everyone in pvp and pve

[scenic talon]

factions are holding it back so much

[copper pecan]

I'm trying to imagine early game with everyone in one of 3 starter towns but you also have zero faction and nobody is able to make any progress because you have tons of people doing the same tasks.

Yeah, good luck with that.

[abstract tide]

Not being mean or anything but I think you might be one of the few that think that

[scenic talon]

that would be insane fun and is what its about would be hard and worth the risk and reward factor. its like 10k to kit up your not losing much when you lose gear get real

[copper pecan]

So what you want is just a different game.

[abstract tide]

4 v 44 would be tiring, to me the PvP now is tiring, have to watch my back for a free for all isn’t fun, this isn’t a battle royal

[scenic talon]

im sure you spent time br and on tarkov and had fun and enjoyed your self what players want is a challenge this 16v16v16 is not much a challenge and gets old no loot to loot highest jewerly you find is like 5.5k or so lots needs done

[mild torrent]

Trying to complete Yeager's early tasks was some of the most frustrating experiences I've ever had in gaming.

[abstract tide]

What your suggesting makes it more like a battle royal or tarkov and player don’t what that

Not in this game

[scenic talon]

number dont lie bro how many are playing right now

[mild torrent]

🤦‍♂️

[scenic talon]

its less then 5k

[abstract tide]

Numbers don’t mean anything in ea, this ain’t live service game, and we have more players playing now then we did last wipe, even tho I not one of the ones who enjoys the way PvP is now a lot say is the best is been since launch

[scenic talon]

how many copys sold

millions

[abstract tide]

We had this debate since launch, it EA player come and go,

I was playing when this game was down to 400 people playing at one time

[copper pecan]

The whole "only my idea can save the game" schtick is so played out.

[abstract tide]

Me and another CL had a private debate for 3 day straight and completely disagree on most parts of PvP lol, he then came up with a bunch of ideas after listening to me and they are good ideas, I like have discussed and if someone make a valid argument I can get behind it, this is just one of them that I don’t think will work

[scenic talon]

you guys publicly saying you don't like a challenge is wild the high risk high reward is what brings high player bases that or gambling lol choose one! you need your squad and need 12 other guys randomly around the map that you can call on to come back you up and use and meat shields or what ever as is said pvp is big team battles on a big scales and to speard apart not enough and boring stale the devs got a fix it and not listen to people that cant handle a true rick to reward system you get in to kill do what you do get out or lose and die the rules for success are there and the blocks are stable build on them and be what you should be you want to be a open world extraction looter shooter do it better then the rest your small and have time work to build and create that risk to reward make the teams up to 6 if you need two more guys to hold your hand on raids but don't make a open world extraction looter shooter into a halo big team battles of hard point concur and control its whack

[abstract tide]

And this game isn’t that, there is going to be high risk high reward, now said we don’t like challenge but what you asking for has been done before on other games at that point just go play that game don’t make this something it not

It still early there is plenty they haven’t added yet

[scenic talon]

tarkov dont have 48 people in a raid its way less and its not that hard this game would blow out tarkov and any other game if they build it right im saying is 16v16v16 control point big team battles is not it is all and its not it

[abstract tide]

In tarkov you don’t have people respawning they get put to lobby, this game you want 44 people coming at you on end? The game will just become one major death match

[mild torrent]

Quite honestly it sounds like you'd just rather play Tarkov.

[scenic talon]

so what your saying is its has not been done before and yea thats why other things will have to be added to make them have respawn timer etc so its not just a flood of people are the same spots etc gotta learn to problem solve and find better sollutions then a 16v16v16 big teams battle of control the points

[abstract tide]

But that what gzw is a team base game is not meant to be what you asking that not the game they want it be

[scenic talon]

just putting the idea out there. that its got so much more potential then what they think they want it to be

[cosmic pulsar]

I don't think the option to become a worse version of every other battle royale rather than its own game is potential....

[scenic talon]

brs have 100 to 150 people vs 4 lmao

or 3 or 1 or 2

[cosmic pulsar]

A huge number of the games current mechanics including LZs, COPs, FOBs, and distribution of players would break down under your suggestion

[scenic talon]

need to add 14 more players to each team then to actually fill up the map and the pois then

[cosmic pulsar]

The game already has too many players to function in pve and you want to add more 🤦‍♂️

[scenic talon]

and a team based game but yet your cant talk to your whole faction with voip lol

[abstract tide]

Sever cant handle that many players and ai together

[cosmic pulsar]

There are 12 main poi and maybe 6 small ones....

[scenic talon]

ovi it can if many other games run alot more players on servers

but yall stubern its okay well see where the game goes ig when it comes out 1.0 i bet it wont be 16v16v16 with control the point tho

[mild torrent]

Is it us or you. 🤔

[abstract tide]

This isn’t other games this is why they have made custom server for community events the ability to turn ai to allow more players if you add players and keep ai the server will most definitely tank, this is coming from some one who play this game for 1800 hours and know how it preforms, just cus another game a can handle it don’t mean this one can

[cosmic pulsar]

Hopefully pve is down to 10 per faction on launch 🙏 or the option to host a personal separate progression server

[scenic talon]

sounds like the funding is not going to good servers to me just enough to get by and not enough to scale on

[mild torrent]

That really just shows an incredible lack of understanding for how game development works to just assume well other games do it, why can't they do it here or well they must not be putting enough money in to the server side if they can't.

[tall mural]

Its not supposed to be like Tarkov, or any extraction shooter. They've put work into making it a MMO instead.

[scenic talon]

its a halo 16v16v16 big team battles control point mess rn

[abstract tide]

You may see it that way but majority of the community don’t see it that way

[scenic talon]

https://www.twitch.tv/theburntpeanut/clip/AmazingSuccessfulBasenjiFeelsBadMan-CbVGCr7p_6NOhJRE

[abstract tide]

And then why do we care if a tarkov streamer likes it or not, all the etf steamers complain the game isn’t eft then just play eft this is not trying to be the eft killer is it own thing

And the video has nothing to do with your suggestion, just him saying he would never play the game

[mild torrent]

Peanut wouldn't be caught dead playing really any other serious game other than Tarkov.

[abstract tide]

And peanut’s community isn’t the gzw community

[copper pecan]

Even forgetting about the entire EFT side of things, why does one random person's opinion even matter at all?

[abstract tide]

I didn’t start playing gzw because of any content creator, I saw it on YouTube can’t even remember who video it was but when the game came out it bought it right out the rip with supporter edition and for 2 updates in a row they out did them self, gzw isn’t the same game is was 1 year ago, this community is the least toxic, the devs are cool, and the game is going places, I here for it not because some streamer told me they like it

[mild torrent]

He might really want to play with him.

[tall mural]

You sent a clip of a tarkov streamer shitting on a MMO game, your making a point where it would be relevant for you to not have any interaction with the game.

He didn't say i'll play if they do this differently, he just spat on it. That clip is irrelevant to this topic

[tall mural]

Even if it was like that, EVEN, why would they make another extraction shooter? Almost all extraction shooters (beside a few that aren't even out yet like "Beautiful Light", "Arc Raiders", etc) are just a copy and paste; Look at Arena Breakout for example, it is the most copy and paste extraction game that can exist. Yea it's popular but that's besides the fact, its also free, community sucks, game is the most unrealistic extraction shooter i've seen, etc.

Grayzone Warfare is it's own game, im sure they would agree on not wanting to be another copy and paste like ABI.

[mild torrent]

Hey, I like AB!

[crisp finch]

The factions are a main part of the games lore. Let's not try to change the whole game for no good reason. GZW doesn't need to match what other games are doing. It needs to remain its own game. Its up to you to decide if thats a game you want to play

If it's not, thats a-ok

[scenic talon]

even if they did this idea its nothing like tarkov tarkov is completely diffrent field and game all you can say is i dont want to be tarkov well your far from tarkov stop thinking about that and be your own thing the faction stuff is not it the big team battles is not it the open world is great but your got to find and balance and get it right dont hold your selfs back and let tarkov control what you can be and should focus on a open world team game with 4 to 6 players that go out and do things that makes them look like 100 men really playing your self's

[abstract tide]

What your suggestion would do the opposite of what you want it would hold the game back and kill it

[scenic talon]

no

[cosmic pulsar]

Let no one ever tell you you shouldn't like something just because it is derivative garbage. If fun, is fun

[abstract tide]

Exactly why most of us are here in gzw.

[scenic talon]

MMO
[MMO]
noun
an online video game which can be played by a very large number of people simultaneously: if you want to be a mmo 16player teams is not it and teams should form naturally over time in the open world not be forced into 16 man teams yall are to far in the box and not thinking out the box at all. having a true open world mmo is what you want you gonna have to make changes

and get good coders and good servers to handle very large numbers of players simultaneously

48 players is no mmo

make factions not split and where other factions can team with other factions 16 man teams gone

[abstract tide]

You do know rouge faction mechanic is planned right, you will be able to play like this one day

You can be on your own faction

[scenic talon]

you need to be able to play with other factions and have a way to team up with them with out having everyone be able to see everyone on a map say if you join a group with other faction members it kicks your from your 16 man team and now you and your team is on your own and everyone is enemy

yall got to figure out a way to where the factions don't keep you from playing with everyone else and keeps your able to play with anyone that's playing the game in your region server that is on

[abstract tide]

For pve yes but for PvP no it should still be faction split

[scenic talon]

no even in pvp if we join with another faction member it makes us our own thing our own faction and we are separated from the 3 and on our own and get to get take our own cops and base camp to go to

[crisp finch]

How would combat outpost control work

[scenic talon]

it would be a rouge faction that took the cop and it would say that

[cosmic pulsar]

Yeah yer right mate, 16 teams ain't it, because there's never been an MMO with large factions. Not WoW(half the game or massive guilds including 40 man raids), certainly not Eve online(large guilds and equally large battles. Oh wait a minute, 16 man or more team are common in many MMOs 🤔

[scenic talon]

yall really not thinking about the players your splitting everyone mith has the most players on most the time if i want players to play with all days of the week i have to go to that faction

[crisp finch]

No you dont

At all

[cosmic pulsar]

I've got spare players in my faction coming out of my ass, scarce able to avoid em trying to kill commanders n such

[crisp finch]

Same on LRI

Always people on

[scenic talon]

not forced into they usally have guilds clans etc but forced factions and split player base is wild everyone cant connect or play together theres not always people in the discord and most dont even msg back in game

[cosmic pulsar]

Oh? You might have heard of this little game called World of Warcraft once or twice

You are within one of two factions in that game, Horde or Alliance

[mild torrent]

Important to remember that is your own experience and not representative of how it is for everyone.

[cosmic pulsar]

And weird, you are forced to play in guilds to complete high end content in other MMOs such as WoW, moreso than in GZW because you can do 100% of the content without ever playing with more than 1 other person, and everything but squad tasks alone 🤔

[scenic talon]

welp player count shows how the gaming community is liking the split system and everything so far should be at a solid like 10k to 20k players but ya flopping

and have cheat sellers ruining the game as well hope that gets solved fast

[cosmic pulsar]

You know BG3 had a player count very similar to GZWs when in early access? Hovered around 2-4K for 3 years

Hit like 875 concurrent players as soon as it was released, and has held above 50K ever since

Of course people could assume it was a terrible game because it was at 3K regularly in early access, but reality shows that position rather ignorant

[scenic talon]

if ya wanna go through stats we can pull up rust and many others that have done ea and done very well pubg and many more

[cosmic pulsar]

So every game should be rust?

That sounds fucking terrible to me tbh

Not every game has the same early access stats, nor should they

[scenic talon]

how you letting once human beat you in player count is crazy lol

its 5xing gzw lol

[abstract tide]

This is why it okay that the player limit it 48 I guess don't take much to be full sever

[cosmic pulsar]

Are you comparing a free to play game versus a paid game 🤣 Fucking wild lol

[scenic talon]

that game has so many paid thing they bring in way more money

[cosmic pulsar]

The point is though, not every game is the same game

[cosmic pulsar]

SO do mobile games. Not every company has to be scummy pieces of shit

[scenic talon]

scummy they sell things people want to and choose to pay for lol

[cosmic pulsar]

When push comes to shove though, delete the entire game and clone popular games is generally going to be met with derision as a concept

[cosmic pulsar]

They sell gambling to children

That's as scummy as it gets

Factions are a core gameplay feature, both from a story and a gameplay perspective

[sand lynx]

people who come into a game and see a core system then demand that system to be removed so it can be like another game instead of just playing that fucking other game are some of the oddest ass people on the internet imo

[scenic talon]

all im saying is all factions should be able to play together how is that so hard to do

[cosmic pulsar]

I propose we delete the guns from Tarkov and make it an avatar ability game, league does that and it's popular so that's the only way to fix the game right? 🤣

[scenic talon]

every player that plays gzw should be able to team up its simple

[cosmic pulsar]

They can and do. I've gotten and given lots of help from my brothers in green and blue in pve

But allowing free swapping between factions is very different from your original suggestion, but actually one I could get behind, maybe with a short cooldown

[abstract tide]

I agree but not in the way your suggesting

[scenic talon]

lmao not the point at all you cant group up with anyone your split no matter what you do you can not group up with everyone as your should be able to in a mmo game

[cosmic pulsar]

I mean, I can help any player I want, cross faction or not

But I'd be super down for a short cooldown faction swap

[crisp finch]

I think alot of people would be

[scenic talon]

you can say im wrong all you want but all factions should be able to play together

[cosmic pulsar]

All factions can play together in PVE

[scenic talon]

and should not be forced into teams of 16 its pure facts

[crisp finch]

And even in PvP if you trust them

[cosmic pulsar]

That's...I suppose true 🤔

[abstract tide]

No one is saying they shouldnt' we are saying we don't want to remove factions, the can implement something else for this but don't need to remove the factions

[crisp finch]

Believe its even in the mode description that anyone can be friend or foe

[abstract tide]

I play the game alot and hardly do the is ever 16v16v16 every one is doing there own stuff

[sand lynx]

said before and I'll say it again. every game that has started off with a faction system then broke down the barriers and allowed the factions to start grouping with each other lost its soul

[scenic talon]

that why i changed the post cuz factions should stay for sure but you should be able to team up with anyone and play how you want and not be given eploitable things like everyones postion on a mini map you can hold up at all times etc

[sand lynx]

tor, eso, wow to name the big 3

[scenic talon]

say and crim guy and lri guy and a mith guy got together in discord screen shared and then they could go kill and see every player on the map at one time and have esp on everyone on the map and kill them all

[cosmic pulsar]

Let's not claim faction splitting(I wasn't aware of it tbh) was the only reason WoW lost it's soul 🤣

[sand lynx]

I'm not, but it is a major one.

[scenic talon]

this is huge exploit and flaw in the system

[abstract tide]

Good luck getting them all 3 in the same sever and if you did once the server realize what is happening they will come after you non stop seen it happen all the time

[scenic talon]

if a team skilled as me or better does it its over for that whole map

[cosmic pulsar]

If UAVing is also considered an actual exploit, you would also probably be reported and banned 🤔 I'm not sure if it is or isn't tho

Ngl, if everyone was as skilled as you I might step foot into pvp, I know your type

[scenic talon]

im dead ass im something else ya dont wanna fight

[cosmic pulsar]

I have never met someone who said that who wasn't a bottom of the barrel player, and normally a cheater

[scenic talon]

1v1 anytime

[crisp finch]

You should join some of the PvP events

[abstract tide]

It this cod?????

[scenic talon]

i started pvp on the first online cod lol

[cosmic pulsar]

Yer that old and still....this...? Fuck I was assuming you were 13 from the I'm so big and bad comments 🤣

[scenic talon]

and halo 1 and 2 iv been around awhile

[mild torrent]

This guy is really just baiting at this point.

[scenic talon]

iv fully tooken over a server and made everyone leave and i was live the whole time farmed the rest of the night by my self and did it with two other guys

[crisp finch]

Try not to turn into personal insults so you dont get an unneeded temp ban from a mod for it. Not worth it.

[abstract tide]

From my 1800 hours in the game one only thing make player leave a sever and that a blatant cheater I don't care how good your at any game your going to die in gzw if you play legit no way around it

[cosmic pulsar]

Hey man he's so big and bad even the game didn't add other people back into his game apparently 🤣

[scenic talon]

i die sometimes iv lost like maybe 6 or 7 ddrs so far

[cosmic pulsar]

And his faction left because he was jsut so amazing too

[scenic talon]

they got bored after we took the whole map over and the other factions couldnt hold any points

[abstract tide]

Later I am out of this one lol

[scenic talon]

bet as the title says all factions should be able to play together and should not have uav of everyone in the game of there factions position

[sand lynx]

I been playing doom and occasionally tabbing in

[scenic talon]

trying to call me a cheater is crazy work

[abstract tide]

Okay this was bait but I will defend my words I didn’t say YOU where cheater I said the only thing I seen ever get the whole server to leave is a cheater don’t twist my word that is crazzzzzzyyyyyyyyy work goodbye

[scenic talon]

you broght it up as if i did it i was cheating tho bro like what

[sand lynx]

see

this is why we need a !DG command

[scenic talon]

host some on a real server where loot matters

[mild torrent]

They do all the time with the Airdrops and Combined Assaults.

[scenic talon]

on middle east server mostly need more na ones i love the airdrops idea and want to do one of them they just dont them often enough it needs to happen like clock work set and a schedule and have 3 or 4 events a day one starting in the morning mid day and at night and do them on live servers not customs i want to gain or lose gear not get gear i cant use ever and not get to keep anything

[mild torrent]

That's not true at all, they rotate through every region to make sure they make it available for everyone, it also occurs throughout the entire day with multiple happening every 2-3 hours for the entire day all the way through night and each event occurs on a live server instance otherwise no one would participate especially during the airdrop events.

You also get to keep everything if I didn't make that clear enough already.

[scenic talon]

most the events iv seen are customs pvp events and some pve events for taking over places iv rarely seen the airdrops ones but ig i missed them

[mild torrent]

You've been on the discord barely a month.

[scenic talon]

not in custom servers you dont its seprated

[mild torrent]

For the second time airdrop events only take place on live server instances.

[scenic talon]

and iv been in this discord since launch of gzw lmao what you see is not always true

[scenic talon]

i get that but those do not happen that much at all 1 time a week or so if that from what i see

yea i left and rejoined lmao

[brazen snow]

You just said that lol

[scenic talon]

lol like what

[mild torrent]

So it still stands to assume you've missed quite a few events.

[scenic talon]

nah i been here

[mild torrent]

And you're admitting that claiming you've only been witness to a few in particular.

These events happen pretty routinely.

[scenic talon]

of the air drops most are customs bro like what you argueing about

[mild torrent]

No airdrop event has ever taken place on a custom server.

[scenic talon]

no they have not lol what

[brazen snow]

No, they have never taken place on a custom server, they've only been on live servers.

[mild torrent]

Huh?

[brazen snow]

Other events have been on custom servers, but Altair's Airdrops are on live servers only.

[scenic talon]

most events tho are pvp customs that they run more often i dont see the airdrop ones that often but i must be missing them

[mild torrent]

I'll say it again, no airdrop event has ever taken place on a custom server.

[scenic talon]

lmao

also make a black market script and get the black market out your dicord lmao

[brazen snow]

I disagree, that removes all incentive to level up traders if it's that easily accessible.

Right now there's a big hassle to buy/sell items on it, which is fine.

[scenic talon]

nah you will have to get a certain mission or be a lvl to get the black market it dont hurt the traders and most things will be to much and cheaper from the traders

[mild torrent]

I doubt it.

[scenic talon]

but way better for optimal gameplay and experience and that's more important not everyone that games is gonna come to discord and do that but a real market is needed no matter what end of story

[mild torrent]

No thanks.

[brazen snow]

"but a real market is needed no matter what end of story" Don't speak like you're the final authority on the matter, you're not, none of us are. I disagree with moving the black market into the game or having a big player market in-game, and that's my personal opinion. The devs are the only ones who can decide whether it's needed or not.

[copper pecan]

If you introduce a black market in-game, it can't be anytime soon. The current loot system would not support that well AT ALL.

It's fine with something like the zero persistence of EFT where you can just redeploy into a completely fresh instance and not have to wait for respawns.

It would put a very negative pressure on the game with how persistance works and waiting for respawns.

[brazen snow]

If they decide to add it, then there you go.

[scenic talon]

they already said they want a player market and are adding one at some point

[brazen snow]

Then there you go. Not getting added anytime soon though, just as bmemike said.

[scenic talon]

dark revaluations with gun benches probably

[mild torrent]

I'll just add I've never heard that in any dev stream I've ever watched.

[brazen snow]

Neither have I, and I'm usually pretty up-to-date on the streams.

It's very possible I've missed it though.

[mild torrent]

I wouldn't take this guy's word for it that I did miss it. 🤣

[copper pecan]

I know I've missed some of the streams, so I wasn't going to say anything.

[mild torrent]

The guy's twitch account adverts are really all I need to know about whether he's being forthcoming about literally anything or just trolling.

[scenic talon]

i heard its on the twitch stream right before the drop of .03 but okay sure lmao

[mild torrent]

Doubt it.

[scenic talon]

sure thing

keep thinking what you want but they def said they want to do that and are going to sometime in the future on twitch live go back and watch it again

[crisp finch]

Easily said, not easily done. Theyre community run. Takes people to set them up and do the drops.

[abstract tide]

Battle forge is the gun bench

[mild torrent]

This is already sketch enough for me.

[copper pecan]

If you're going to tell someone to "go back and watch it again" then at least step up with which VOD and, ideally, a time sig.

[abstract tide]

?roadmap

[vapid harness]

Gray Zone Warfare Updated Roadmap & Winds of War

[scenic talon]

everythings hard to do but do able takes people and time

[crisp finch]

And the people running them have lives and jobs. 3-4 a day is not possible

[sand lynx]

he is not entertaining enough idk why all still going

[brazen snow]

Ehh, he looks fine honestly. Just low contrast.

[mild torrent]

I wouldn't say so not after seeing those clips of him just dumping into random bushes.

[brazen snow]

I must have missed those.

Of course I still count low contrast as cheating, it's scummy.

[mild torrent]

The guy literally admits to it in his leading advert.

24/7 Cheating

[brazen snow]

Oh I took that to mean that he was saying that most are cheating but he's legit lol

[scenic talon]

im on 80 as the game allows and have my gamma at max in game nothing wrong with my contrast lmao

the 24/7 is 4 it goes 24/7 all night all day lmao

[mild torrent]

Sure it does.

👍

[brazen snow]

The only reason that wouldn't still be scummy is if you had to do that because of your eyesight.

Otherwise, run 100 on both.

[scenic talon]

no one is doing that why would i put my self at a disadvantage ?

[brazen snow]

You'd be shocked how many of us are doing that.

Take the disadvantage proudly mate.

Work around it.

[scenic talon]

good tell they change it so nvidia does not affect the gamma and stuff it wont be fixed i have my contrast in game lowest 80 and my nvida is set normal how i have it for all games

[crisp finch]

Game looks better how its meant to be played anyways

[brazen snow]

Absolutely.

[brazen snow]

They're working on it, locking contrast to 80 as minimum was just a stopgap until they actually fix it.

[scenic talon]

cant wait fr will make for good fights and raids missions tasks and more

also some of those clips was before the patch when the contrast went lower to..

[sick lark]

Yeah... No. They've also said they're going for the MMO vibe more than the extraction vibe now as far as I understand. And looting and scavanging is annoying af. As others have said. It looks like you want to play Tarkov. Play that game. This game is going in a different direction.

[scenic talon]

16 player teams is not it having everyone on your mini map its not it its exploit get another pc load in on other faction go hunt its not okay being not able to team up with csi or mith as lri is not it at all

[sick lark]

Disagree. But I see this has just been the repeating argument. The teams are part of what I think is cool about the game. Alot of us have different opinions from you.

[mild torrent]

Maybe not it for you, but it is it for everyone else.

[cosmic pulsar]

🤣

[scenic talon]

16 player teams is not it having everyone on your mini map its not it its exploit get another pc load in on other faction go hunt its not okay being not able to team up with csi or mith as lri is not it at all

[abstract tide]

Yeah because we can all afford 2 pc that can run gzw

[mild torrent]

This guy is nuts.

[scenic talon]

im making a suggestion for the devs to see and yall typing is not letting it happen is wild but yall know im right its not it its not yall gotta get over that

[cosmic pulsar]

It's more of, part of the suggestion format being posts is so people can discuss it and give opinions. Which we have, and most people happen to think it's a...questionable idea, but that's not gonna stop the devs from seeing it

[digital citrus]

Given the total chaos of what the OP is saying in this thread, I have boiled it down into 4 words: Total Troll Rage Bait.

[scenic talon]

your not adding anything to it no value not do this heres how we can fix it nothing

just i dont like it

bro its its what it is this is not it

16 player teams is not it having everyone on your mini map its not it its exploit get another pc load in on other faction go hunt its not okay being not able to team up with csi or mith as lri is not it at all

[abstract tide]

And we do,

[mild torrent]

He just repeats the same thing 3 times now.

[scenic talon]

these things are fixable we got to work together

[mild torrent]

The last thing I want is to work together with you on anything, believe me.

[sick lark]

This is cope. Or troll. Wtf. 🤣🤣

[scenic talon]

its fr this stuff got to go if gzw ever stands and chance

16 player teams is not it having everyone on your mini map its not it its exploit get another pc load in on other faction go hunt its not okay being not able to team up with csi or mith as lri is not it at all cheaters will ruin the game fr its already getting filled with some gotta fix stuff fast dont be another cod that cant figure out the cheating issue and fix the issues with this exploit

[crisp finch]

Just so you know they will read this thread and your original post at the very top. Noones stopping your suggestion from being seen

[digital citrus]

Might I recommend everyone disengage from this thread to let it die it's deserved death?

At this point, it is more a complaint thread than anything else.

[scenic talon]

bye

[scenic talon]

ALSO they sold us all on the fact it was and extraction looter shooter so no they need to give us what they said they was going to and do there best to give us what they sold us

[mild torrent]

Wrong

[undone axle]

Jesus christ, did romeos make another account?

[orchid prism]

it was literally never an extraction shooter. it only played like one earlier in its development as a consequence of a lack of content. All of the devlogs/streams/marketing, etc made it very clear this was the direction the game was going.

[mild torrent]

This probably is his main and that was a burner.

[sand lynx]

idk

romeos was actually kinda amusing

[barren pagoda]

Actually they marketed it as an extraction on steam and also have said multiple times in twitter that it was an extraction. Not the point in this post though because they will never do what this suggestion is asking.

[scenic talon]

the hole system is exploitable and needs fixed is all good day

[orchid prism]

Look, call it whatever you want. Yes, it has extraction elements. My point is that the devs made it very clear the direction that game was going in before it even went into EA. No one who made informed decision when purchasing the game should be surprised about the direction its going

[scenic talon]

Gray Zone Warfare gameplay explained
Gray Zone Warfare is a tactical extraction shooter that makes realism the central focus of its gameplay and is set on a massive open map called Lamang – an island in southeast Asia. It’s a primarily PvE experience with PvP mixed in, as the map is home to just 48 real players at once with over 1000 AI enemies.

Just like other games in the extraction genre, such as Tarkov, players are tasked with completing missions to earn valuable gear and weapons that must then be successfully extracted to be saved for future runs. from the first ad by them the day before it dropped

However, the key difference is Gray Zone Warfare’s emphasis on immersion and how it uses the map to its advantage. Instead of reaching an extraction point to leave the world, you can call in a chopper to your specific location which will then fly you to a faction safehouse still found on the island.

The same is true when you inevitably die and lose all your gear. Rather than returning to the menu and starting over, Madfinger Games let you head back out into the same game world, albeit with significantly worse equipment, and try to reclaim what you lost.

[orchid prism]

Just because a system is exploitable doesnt mean a core piece of the games identity should be thrown out. this is the definition of throwing the baby out with the bathwater

[copper pecan]

In one area they call it an extraction shooter then in another they refer to it as an MMOFPS.

And all of that is fine because it doesn't fit squarely into any genre and borrows elements of many.

So we can try to split hairs about what it "is" and "is not" but that's never going to be a useful way to spend time because it's a little bit of a lot of things and not one specific thing at the same time.

[orchid prism]

^^^^ exactly. Again, anyone who made an informed decision should recognize it was going to be more than "just an extraction shooter"

[copper pecan]

And at the end of the day, this is all marketing fluff anyhow. The edges are always going to be fuzzy.

[scenic talon]

not saying take out factions just let everyone play together and take out the mini map always on and players being on it all the time for esp its not hard to figure this out its really not

[abstract tide]

I agree with the removable of mini map

[scenic talon]

yall acting like kids like no its ruins everything like no keep the core butt fix the issues

[orchid prism]

Calling us children because we disagree is, ironically, childish

[scenic talon]

its not hard to see where im coming from its fr not

and be on a understanding of that these things are wrong and need to be fixed and expoits need to be addressed

[abstract tide]

Your original suggestions was to remove core components of the game, you since change what you wrote organically, we all disagreed with what you originally wrote

[orchid prism]

I'm just going to take talons advice and disengage from this nonsense

[abstract tide]

We have all said there is issues that need to be fixed, we just disagree with the way your suggesting to fix them

[scenic talon]

not saying change the factions in any way but add allowing for all them to team up together or have a way for us to move to another faction for a short time to play with our friends or other people its not hard we not buying the game 3 times

[tall mural]

me too, me too..

[tall mural]

There already is a way, not risk free but it's there

Who says MSS and other factions can't team up?

[elfin ravine]

My dearest brother in Christ, please allow punctuation marks to enter your life. Reading your posts makes my eyes bleed.

[scenic talon]

yea and that is expoloiting a map uav yall need to work on being smart fr

def dont cant about the long and lifespan of that game thts for sure

[blazing yarrow]

OH is F2P Live Service

GZW is a Premium EA MMOFPS.

Hardly comparable.

[tall mural]

Exploiting what? That is part of the game to whether team up or kill other factions, its a risk, not a exploit.

[blazing yarrow]

Also, holy ragebait thread.

[tall mural]

That is completely ignorant to say, and honestly with shit like this and “1v1 me” is making you look like you don’t even know what you talk about.

Removing factions is literally gonna kill the game. Making it a extraction shooter like Tarkov in that big of a map, no matter the player size, is gonna fuck it. Not to mention loading into a raid, waiting for large amount of players to join in. That will completely kill the game and you clearly cant see that.

[tall mural]

Your idea, which almost all people disagree with, is not gonna boost the games player count by 50,000 players like your making it seem. Making this statement, even more ignorant.

Why can’t shit just be respectful

[blazing yarrow]

Gonna say this, this is a troll PvPer thread without any understanding of PvE (which is just....ignored entirely for it) or the PvEvP intentions.

[tall mural]

Ah, look when he joined the discord. July 5th of this year. So either a troll that got banned on another account, or just joined to troll.

And brother NHF if you read what you’re saying, it’s not our fault thinking you’re a troll.

[mild torrent]

Check out his twitch adverts, definitely sus.

[scenic talon]

all factions should be able to play together 16 man teams is not it and having everyone on your map is not it one day the devs will find it out and change it time it will take but this shits no troll if ya want your game to play right fix it and build it right how it is is not right and exploitable and people will do it mfg do your best fix it

[tall mural]

You just repeated what you said, yet to respond to mine.

[scenic talon]

i have left and rejoined the discord a few times i joined when the game came out it died fast asf just like its dieing out fast again after this update lol

-970.3 -16.68%

[undone axle]

I have to say, it is interesting to run the game with 3 different screens up.

[tall mural]

Your idea will kill the game even faster. Again, as I said, if you read, with the already dead game, loading into a specific raid, with that big of a map, will be hell. Load times would be forever, PVP would be so rare its not even worth it, it would literally create a PVE based game.

[mild torrent]

I find it amusing he's recommending what he thinks is going to save the game, but then laughs when he implies that the game is dying.

[scenic talon]

im not saying make it server based yall really taken it far im saying save the game and change the things that are not needed

you need to be able to play together all factions no matter what and you dont need to be forced into 16 man teams when you dont know them dont help them and are not playing with them and should be able to make your own your points are so off the wall its wild def why you play this and dont put any really discussion into this topic

[mild torrent]

The whole point of the future lore in Grayzone is that the factions are battling for control over what's in Ground Zero, remove that and you remove a large chunk of what the devs are trying to develop the story into.

If you allow all the factions to team up, it removes that central idea that their fighting over Ground Zero and it ends up just being individual people fighting over what's there, that might not fit in well with their overall story.

[sick lark]

Is there any point in keeping this thread open? It's beating a dead horse over and over..

[sand lynx]

why did you respond to it exactly 12 hours after the last post then?

literally 12 fucking hours on the dot damn

[scenic talon]

go bye my post and things need fixed we neeed to be able to play with anyone that plays the game and map should not have access to 15 other players postion at all times ya have not counter points so move on

[mild torrent]

I provided a perfectly good counter point, it doesn't fit in well with their overall story if all the factions are suddenly working together or non existant at all.

[scenic talon]

not true and the lore and story will forever be changing and getting added to keeping a high exploitable feature cuz its story says so is not it yea gotta do better

[blazing yarrow]

BLUFOR Tracking is perfectly understandable, if you are shooting your own side willy nilly you are part of the problem with trust issues.

[mild torrent]

Is it fair for me to say "not true" to every one of your points? That's not a counter. To say well the story will be ever changing and will eventually accommodate to my idea is not a realistic argument.

[severe sparrow]

Wtf I just Read 😂

just allow people from every faction to squad up to play together in the same serv in joint ops and we all good, squad up for a session with friend or friendly encounter but keeping our Faction Distinction is joint ops lore accurate

[crisp finch]

Exactly. Let us all squad up, and if you squad up with another faction, it Greys out Warfare and only allows you to join Joint Ops. Make everyone still spawn at their own faction base but you can meet up in the field.