Dark Lancer

[tiny finch]

demon 4 only reduces E cd when charing to stg 4 and it's dps loss to use demon 4 when doing either lmb or lmb/rmb build

and neither of them will have near full uptime on E like how lmb/4 build does in actual content. tho lmb/rmb could be better at upkeeping it but i've yet to see how it actually plays in content since atm and afaik it's just theoretically a good build

only way lmb build could have full uptime on E is if we crit on literally every lmb with leggy lmb

[drifting dock]

lol not quite

[tiny finch]

within those 10s or at least within 12s

[drifting dock]

only 55-58% needed

unless you refer to E buff not E cd

[tiny finch]

that's what full uptime on E means

i didn't say demon stance

i said full uptime on E

[drifting dock]

not sure that's even possible

[tiny finch]

cuz it's not for lmb build

[drifting dock]

couldn't do it even with 88% rate

[tiny finch]

not practically at least

cuz like i said

you need to crit on every single lmb to get full uptime

which is impossible

[drifting dock]

it is indeed

[tiny finch]

if the 30gm on rmb is actually that good then it basically makes 4 completely obsolete

[quaint spire]

Oh with LMB RMB build i have to go out of stance to use normal z, right? Cuz RMB requires focus

[tiny finch]

occasionally yes you quickly go out of demon stance to use Z and go back in

having a focus mantra will help

just 1 should be fine

keep in mind that you only rmb to upkeep crit buff from 30gm

which lasts 5s

[quaint spire]

Oh its 5s

Thats not a lot

[tiny finch]

it's long enough

[tiny meadow]

wts eu

[quaint spire]

I really wish I had a way to test the builds rotation without spending 650g

[tiny finch]

rotation itself is not difficult

lancer is not a hard class

far from it

only thing you'd be testing is the actual dmg

[quaint spire]

I dont doubt that. Just would have loved to see if I have the flow better

like*

[tiny finch]

it's pretty much just

remove the holding 4 part

so it's literally just

hold lmb

that's it

that's the rotation

lmb/rmb build just adds in rmb every 4s to upkeep buff

can basically test it on dummy rn

both lmb and lmb/rmb build

you just won't have the benefits of leggy rmb and the crit buff from 30gm

[quaint spire]

True

Im dumb

[minor salmon]

Back

[quaint spire]

Well thank you for going through the changes in books and rota with me, much appreciated. I have a good idea of how it flows now

[cold hinge]

So, how do we find the class DPS currently comparing to others?

[tribal iris]

top tier if it gets to do its thing

[tribal iris]

question, if you have 30 GM Farstrike, cant u technically play lmb build still since you wont need to run X?
just use lvl 1 darkstrike for extended erosion on high cr mobs and play lmb build

nvm ignore that , 4 will always reset lmb boost

[minor salmon]

BD = Lancer but BD have more utility party (hmb) and other thing for my own opinion

[quaint spire]

Is 48 GM glaive swell an ok idea for LMB RMB build. With good crit id assume itd be extremely rare that you would have to drop out of Demonic Energy Form. I feel like it would add comfyness, cuz I do no dmg for a few gcds whenever I drop out of Form to cast normal Z

Dont mind the farstrike, its a remnant cuz im too broke to convert it atm

[tiny finch]

no

30gm and that's it

[quaint spire]

heh

An extra leg Percing Dragon still outweights it?

even at fully decked out leg?

[tiny finch]

yes

[quaint spire]

Hot damn im bad at math

[tiny finch]

48gm doesn't do enough to warrant it

the bonus is 1 extra focus on crit rmb but the extra focus isn't needed

[quaint spire]

Guess im converting that spear into a piercing when i grind 225 gold in MSP tommorow

[tiny finch]

and the dmg bonus on rmb is pointless cuz rmb dmg is terrible

it's only used for the crit buff

[quaint spire]

Im prolly timing rmb wrong then cuz feels like i have to go out of Demonic Form way too often

(I have 1 focus mantra already)

[tribal iris]

what do you mean by waay to often

usually it should flow smoothly

[quaint spire]

Prolly once or twice in a minute depending on how bad I am

[tribal iris]

well the rotation expects u to go out every 16 sec

if u are able to stay in it longer, u are probably doing content where u have crit surplus?

then u dont need rmb

[tiny finch]

which tbh isn't that bad if you're able to do consistent crits

since that's the whole point of lmb/rmb

sacrificing higher potential dmg for more consistent dmg

[quaint spire]

Yeah. From my test on dummy it's like 6-7% less than lmb/4. But gonna be way easier vs a boss

[tiny finch]

on dummy you don't need rmb at all

[tribal iris]

dummy tests are simply flawed

[tiny finch]

so yes it'll be less dmg on dummy

lmb/rmb build is tailored for content where crits are an issue

[quaint spire]

I got thrown around in thunder strike trying to channel 4 which prompted me to switch

[tiny finch]

and you aren't able to crit enough normally

[quaint spire]

Ok. At least I got to practice keeping RMB buff while hitting dummy

Thanks for all this info. Much appreciated

[tribal iris]

insane dummy dps difference lmao

from 360k HS BM to 550k DL

[still jackal]

Which build did you go with?

[tribal iris]

4

[still jackal]

just 4?

[tribal iris]

4 lmb ofc

i played it a bit safe, put all the purple books to get 4 to 48

incase i suck

[still jackal]

[tribal iris]

yikes countering counter with counter gets u both stunned in yunsang

[quaint spire]

Counterception

[polar elm]

yall doubters of the 4 supremacy will start regreting it soon :c

[tribal iris]

does DL have any self healing

[quaint spire]

"While I'm channeling this skill, let's talk about today's sponsor raid shadow legends"

[quaint spire]

X skill I think

With book

5% of max HP?

Not online to check ATM tho

[tribal iris]

damn thats so little

i will miss bm

so much heals

do i have to pot in msp now

[jolly shell]

drain is drain

[quaint spire]

Since I came back recently I'm only 70.. so I never have to pot on LVL 60 mobs

Idk about LVL 70 mobs. Maybe they hurt a lot more

[tribal iris]

dl has soo much less hits / s gonna be slow drain

[still jackal]

Get a timestream weapon, shield passive and your done

[polar elm]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-black-guys-two-black-guys-apple-apple-laptop-gif-3090298217787114336

[tribal iris]

[quaint spire]

Well drain felt fine without any charms. But then again I have the rahu drain set. The spot I got used to farming I just run and hold lmb towards mobs. For me it's faster than stacking everything and safer on dmg taken side

But it's a LVL 60 spot. Idk if it'll be doable on 70 mobs with my measly gear

Also maybe x is 5% per enemy hit. Haven't checked that

[tribal iris]

rahu

lv 60 mobs tickle compared to 70

[quaint spire]

That's good to know

that my days of faceroll are soon over

[drifting dock]

if only we could keep that inflated dummy dps

rate when

[tribal iris]

tbf

HS is also inflated dps

[drifting dock]

well I do 590k on dummy

can't reach half that on WB

then again lmb only inflation is even worse

lmb 4 does far less on dummy naturally

[tribal iris]

yea

lmb only is 609k

4 lmb is 550

[tribal iris]

does ur lmb hit for 190k with that stat or wat

[drifting dock]

320k I think

during burst

[tribal iris]

yea forgot its split in dps meter

yea

320 should be like 550-560

[drifting dock]

how many hits per minute does that calculate?

meter hits, let's say for simplicity

[tribal iris]

like 7.6

7.5-7.7

[quaint spire]

Is there any diff in spamming lmb or holding it down

[tribal iris]

no

[drifting dock]

hits sound right, my 1 min parse is 7,66

ok it's 345-350k per hit, I remembered wrong

during E buff

[tribal iris]

that cdr card doing numbers

[drifting dock]

yeah it's pretty op

if only I had rate to use it in reality

smh

[tribal iris]

ok i get why yall hate on 4

[drifting dock]

[tribal iris]

really need optimizations to use 4 properly in dungeons

trolled range mech a lot in lair trying to 4

prolly will give it a week if not we roll onto lmb only

but at the same time that 43.8% is not looking so bright

[quaint spire]

Sounds like my crit on Thunderstrike wb yesterday

[tribal iris]

msp didnt feel that great eh

can jst pull whatever i want to perfect position

jst gotta blast em

[tribal iris]

even worse on csa

[cold hinge]

What does this tell us? Focus LMB for now as Bunny recommended in the guide?

[wanton verge]

im returning to the game and wanted to swap to this class whats the build for it?

[minor salmon]

dont swap

[wanton verge]

i mean i didnt like the class i played

i played summoner

...

[minor salmon]

🤣 too much whale already switch

[wanton verge]

idm that i want to just play it for fun

i cant find any builds for it

[minor salmon]

Duno switch if you want

[wanton verge]

what books do i need?

i got 10 purps and 8 blues

[tiny finch]

[wanton verge]

ahh ty

[quaint spire]

Pin powa

[wanton verge]

so its all books into LB it seems

[minor salmon]

if you want. i keep lb 4 . 😂

[wanton verge]

wdym?

[minor salmon]

Lancer is crit dependant

i dont have 225 gold for switch 4 to lb but

Pref use my gold for random 2 leg book for 1100 gold even if i get rb maybe rb get buff or rework

[wanton verge]

how do i do this?

[minor salmon]

writ" Change Class"

something like that if remember well

but verify everything

[wanton verge]

it was

lovely how this game specify it

are these stats consided bad yet or no?

[minor salmon]

level

[wanton verge]

56

[minor salmon]

yeah you have poharan gear

[wanton verge]

blood mane stuff

and some poh

[minor salmon]

yeah good luck

did you use code for leg book before switch

[wanton verge]

no?

what code?

[minor salmon]

your screwed except if you are lucky

#📯︱bns-news message

[wanton verge]

ig it works

[minor salmon]

check ur coupon

[wanton verge]

ig gg

[minor salmon]

write the code

you get the worst book

[wanton verge]

i should of opened this before transfer should i?

ffs

[minor salmon]

how much spell you have transfered

or have you gold ?

[tiny finch]

You still have a grace period

[minor salmon]

you have 7 day to have 9 book ticket = 25 gold each u need 225 for switch it

Epic switch > 1 ticket = 25 gold

Leg switch = 9 ticket > 225 gold

[wanton verge]

wth wow

[minor salmon]

after u can try to reroll 🤡 . it's what my friend does for come back in this game

[wanton verge]

wdym

oh gamba?

[minor salmon]

i mean "create new account" and start to 0 . you get lv 50 anyway you skip all story

after depends about your avancement

[wanton verge]

i lose all my purp books tho

[minor salmon]

after my friend leave early game not your gear or other

[wanton verge]

im currently on 56 piercing dragon and i think it will be hard to get back to it fast

[minor salmon]

oh it's good

you can play little

[wanton verge]

how bad is it to get the gold?

[minor salmon]

depends about you

[wanton verge]

i mean i got the dwancrest story to do aswell

[minor salmon]

did you skip silverfrost quest or no ?

[wanton verge]

i did

[minor salmon]

ok you lost 40 gold ~~ but you can do blue quest idk how much give without the yellow one

after do dawncrest quest

with neo soul boost you get new gear 0 to +4 , stats is random

you can use it or no , at the end they give you badge

both +5 .

[wanton verge]

where do i use that

[minor salmon]

you have to do Orange quest dawncrest

[wanton verge]

ah okay

[minor salmon]

17 - 18 quest if remember well

[polar elm]

yea but u would still need 150+ gold

u can change it still, u just need to farm gold

[minor salmon]

when you understand better the game at your come back try MSP Farm / Quest / Daily / hebdo

[wanton verge]

i see well this class looks strong af

doing nearly 100k on dummy

[minor salmon]

no realy the class it's because you have gm 48 + .

before gm effect we are at 10 - 20 k poharan etc ^^

[wanton verge]

i see

i wonder how assassin would be

[minor salmon]

i love the class but my crit is realy low lv 60 . i have 6883

[wanton verge]

i got a friend with like 10k crit on lvl 75

any idea where i can use this?

[lean ermine]

battle pass

2nd page; soulboost

[valid tree]

If anyone selling leg LMB let me know

[tribal iris]

eh bad crit makes it extra bad to play lmb only. I honestly didnt have any issue with 4 build there. The only issue was me having to hold back my DPS to avoid taking aggro

[wanton verge]

half way there to 225 for leg skill 🙁

[vast tangle]

I'm realy strugling to know if il join you guys

[tribal iris]

dont

[vast tangle]

Why xd

You're top 1 now :p? Or Lean still a machine

[tribal iris]

im jst a plankton

• these lmb players have it easy on wb smh, they dont even need to go melee to use their X

they jst leech of the erosion stacked by us poor 4 users

[clear hamlet]

which portrait sets are you guys using

minus legendary ones

Ill try to make some sets that isn't KFM-pilled, just for spear

[tribal iris]

is it not just the same all in crit dmg

[vast tangle]

XD. But wasn't Erosion bugged ? So she work for every Spear now ?

[tribal iris]

eh bugged in what way.

I see it applied on the wb boss even if its not mine

[clear hamlet]

isnt this class practically not functioning without high c-rate

I have no idea how other classes build so I gotta make sure

[vast tangle]

Every class are crit dépendant. But some more than others, and lancer.. yeah, need to crit xd

I read that 4 + LMB (woth good gear good crit etc) is like 6-7% stronger than just LMB ?

Ppl can confirm ?

[clear hamlet]

you never weight crit rate on KFM apart from the usual double crit on gear

hong sets are pretty much useless on us

hence why Im asking if theres a difference of card sets for non-KFM classes, some classes gain crit rate by some other means while others gain none, spear is one of them as far as I can see

[terse pivot]

Baboi is lmb/rmb
Domob is lmb 4

[vast tangle]

They have close gear?

And where are 4 + LMB ?

[terse pivot]

Pretty sure domob have more sf than baboi

[terse pivot]

Like i said baboi seems like build lmb+rmb
Domib is lmb+4

[tribal iris]

Dont think he is lmb 4

Domib has too much lmb to bother using 4

[terse pivot]

But need to see more wb result

[tribal iris]

Even though he has it on 48

[tribal iris]

Yea spear do need cr % cards but base number cards are

Maybe since ur alt has low base numbers cr cards shoild be better

[vast tangle]

Why baboi is using Rmb ? Wasn't for ppl who need crit ?

[tribal iris]

doubt either of them is using it in wb

you jst play from 16m range in wb, rmb is jst 8m

rmb is good for only bt/arena

[mystic herald]

we need to see their dmg split on the meter

this class is SUPER crit dependant

a few miss crits and ur whole rotation is on pause

lmb+4 is giga dmg and technically should be superior as long as you crit and demonic energy regen from z is a crit

when your 4 doesn't crit then its gg, you don't gain like 30s off ur E cd

[vast tangle]

The only reason of use RMB with LMB is only to have more crit right ?

[mystic herald]

lmb+rmb build can sustains more demonic energy and more easily

[tribal iris]

i mean idk why peeps say its gg

u still get 15 sec off it

thats more than whatever 5 sec of lmb can do

[drifting dock]

You can try it out yourself

[tribal iris]

i did

[drifting dock]

On the 65 dummy

The dps difference is ridiculous

With low rate even

[tribal iris]

i mean sure when it doesnt crit ur dps will be lower but its gonna crit like 85-90% of the time

[drifting dock]

So as long as the boss does not last more then 10 rotations, it might compete with lmb only

[tribal iris]

it can last however much it wants

[drifting dock]

Then do a 3 min test in 65 dummy and on lmb+4 and let us know the results

That’ll give a good simulation

[mystic herald]

the problem with dummy is that you have high crit on it

[drifting dock]

Even a optimistic one

Not 65 one

Your crit won’t be as big there

[mystic herald]

the offset is that when im doing queens, fist or bibong my cr is hover 42%

and thats when my builds playstyle gets all messed up

when ur cr effectively is lower than 50% ur gonna run into problems

[tribal iris]

65 is also

so high

i showed u yest, csa you have 38-40% cr

[drifting dock]

How much rate do you have on the 65 dummy

[tribal iris]

let me see with soul shields off

58%

even at 58, u drop out of E

ok 48% this time

and and my Z did crit and farthstrike also cd

now i have to rmb for 5 sec

[mystic herald]

the main thing that i find very annoying

is that as long as your Z crits it should make up enough hits for you to crit a few more times and bring down E cd

but the issue is that Z is a one hit and done ability. it has aoe so it eccels at giving you focus back there (good for msp)

but because of its single hit and done, if you dont crit on a boss then its kinda gg

[tribal iris]

yea rotation really depends on how bad ur non crit was

if u had low crit when Z also didnt crit

gg

[drifting dock]

describing my every WB

last one was 37%

feels amazing to rotate

[tribal iris]

hit that msp more

[drifting dock]

if I used the crit/lvl calculations right

once i hit 77

I'll have half that rate

unless I magically get maxed windshocks from somewhere

[tribal iris]

your crit doesnt drop

it is crit for the level of same enemy as you

[drifting dock]

are the wbs not 77?

[tribal iris]

no

they are like

70

[drifting dock]

smh

explains why everyone is having a good time

except for me

[tribal iris]

yea thats why lmb build people pop off there

they jst perma stay in 16m

and spam it while leeching of erosion from 4 players

wb is the worst representation of both builds

[drifting dock]

must be nice

I have to be melee half the fight

with my 0% rate

[vast tangle]

@mystic herald what is your level ? And do you have crit card?

Because 42% CR on fist / dog suxx

[tribal iris]

uh lmb build would also need focus mantra i guess

[mystic herald]

76, one crit rate 5% with master hong

[vast tangle]

And good gear? How much SF?

[mystic herald]

i'd have to have pretty decent gear to be doing bibong lol

at work atm so can't get exact numbers, 25k~ sf 13k cr

[vast tangle]

Fock i want to swap to test xd

[tribal iris]

u will hate the class if u love the mobility of sin

[vast tangle]

Sin suxx mate, no damage 🙁 i'm the slave of DPS mettre..

Meter*

I have 8 legendary bound, idk if il need to go 6 LMB + 2 RMB or directly 8 LMB

[vast tangle]

Help me xd

[drifting dock]

I'd just stack lmb

[tribal iris]

purple counter op for yunsang

[wet lance]

Can someone post a full list of all dark lancer skills? I m going to switch to dark lancer later today

[tribal iris]

yast exists

for builds check pins

[wet lance]

Okay

[vast tangle]

@tribal irisTonight, post me the DPS meter of world boss :p

[tribal iris]

yea

also what yall opinion of running resist counter book

feels so bad to not have good counter on actual fights when tanking

[ornate fox]

I think its great

The iframe and lmb boost and debuff are all nice

[quaint spire]

Worth it when tanking, being able to keep lmb boost on sucessful counter

and makes corrosion less stressful to apply

[ornate fox]

Useful in lair and yeti, and msp, havent done new dgs yet

[mystic herald]

its a qol

not needed but it just depends if u want more gm and have to chug pots more often

especially good in helping mitigate dmg in msp

[tribal iris]

yea im 100% putting it on my utility belt on msp

or im eating dumbling every 2 rotation

[mystic herald]

especially when ur pulling ranged and big guys and they all take turns jumping on you one after another

[tribal iris]

doing yunsang becomes piss easy with it to

[mystic herald]

Also our G skill

ive never seen it light up

im pretty sure i've tried using it in leggy dngs but it never goes off, others tell me they've used it

[ornate fox]

It works in lair

[mystic herald]

while also staying prema greyed out?

[ornate fox]

I was using it yesterday, idk

[tribal iris]

i never remeber about it

[ornate fox]

It lit up on final boss i think?

I was surprised to see it at first

15 minute cd🤒

[tribal iris]

are u able to use it instantly

[ornate fox]

Yeah i just used it at the start

[tribal iris]

cause i remember on live , ultimate skills had to charge up

[ornate fox]

Its a short charge

Oh i see what you mean

It has a cast time, but no resource to fill

[mystic herald]

yea iver never seen this skill light up

[oblique junco]

Only last Boss legendary dungeon Looks Like the F Skill chain Snare Animation but like 3-4x bigger

[vast tangle]

Can someone tell me the number of LMB during one phase of E ?

[tribal iris]

do u mean with 30 gm E

or

nothing

[vast tangle]

Yes ofc !

Cause, E give 10 demonic instant + 1 per second

With LMB 30GM i recover 1 hit every 3 hit

Idk exactly how much W(Z) give

[tribal iris]

4 on crit

[vast tangle]

So 5 ? If crit ?

[tribal iris]

yea

[vast tangle]

So if i'm right, i press E --> +10 --> W(Z) when X is done so +5 ---> 15

This is 15 + ( 1 hit every 3 hit ) + 1 per second during 10 second of E

Skyrus, go to a Dummy and tell me how much Hit you do !

With a complete rotation

[tribal iris]

i do 29 wihtout z

[vast tangle]

So let's say 30 hit on boss, how many second are used to do this 30 hit :p ?

[tribal iris]

took me 14 sec for 29

class has like

2.1 hits/sec on lmb

[vast tangle]

So with 50% crit rate you save only 15 second from your E ?

[graceful frigate]

why the heck dude have simple mode button

[tiny finch]

if exactly 15 of those crit and you don't have 48gm lmb then yes

and if you have purple lmb

if you have purple lmb and 48gm it's 30s

leggy lmb and 48gm it's 37.5s

[vast tangle]

Oh yeah ma bad i miss some line

So 37.5 of 1 min, 22.5 sec left

and i use like 15 sec for doing this

So what are the 7 sec left ?

[tiny finch]

base 4 and tab back into demon stance

if Z crits then you shouldn't need to leave demon stance

but in this scenario Z didn't crit/isn't used

[vast tangle]

Your stat are with a crit rate of 50% right ?

To NEVER have problem with E on CD, what is the % of crit i need to do on a boss ?

[tiny finch]

you just need Z to crit

Skyrus said they did 29 lmbs without Z

we're rounding up to 30 for number's sake or whatever

and if we're assuming half of those lmbs crit

you have ~7s left

if Z was used and it crit

we get more lmbs

[tribal iris]

refer this for 50% crit

you do need z to crit

and 4 to be up

at 50% crit

[vast tangle]

I got this from my equipement

And a 3% crit card, i will be fine ?

[tribal iris]

u wont be

[vast tangle]

Seriously ?

Only 10.3 from equipement << Base crit is 4.3k right from lancer ?

[tribal iris]

this was my csa crit i have little about same as ur crit

9800 from eq

so u would be 42? 45 with card

lmb only in end game really need atleast 2 cr % card

[vast tangle]

Hum

I miss the last card of world boss to get an extra 3%

How long is the crit buff ?

[tribal iris]

5sec

but u can rmb b/w lmb wihtout losing lmb boost

RB Z E X Z LB x6 RB LB x8 RB LB x8 RB LB x6 something like this

[vast tangle]

But according to this #1462959631188885735 message, it's kinda the same

[tribal iris]

neither of them

are using anything other than LB on wb

[rotund tartan]

what build would be best for a returning player with 1 leg ? quite low on crit

[lean ermine]

4 LMB

Lmb only needs a lot of critical rate.

[rotund tartan]

so this 1

[drifting dock]

if you only have 1 legendary, it should always be LMB

you can't do proper rotations anyway, if you don't have 48/48 leggy lmb+4, so LMB build is the way to go with 1 leggy

that's the full build

as long as you get lmb over 48 at leggy you'll be good

[rotund tartan]

so i dont need 4 at 48

[drifting dock]

you just need base purple 4 for the LMB build

for a LMB+4 build you'd need leggy 4 at 48

[rotund tartan]

noice i can achieve that

[drifting dock]

🫡

[tribal iris]

btw

who started this rumour of crit dmg being self buff

just tested it with a friend

it worked for him

56000 with buff , 49000 without

dark bind is goated

[tiny finch]

i asked at the start of this whole channel and i was told it's self

sooo

don't look at me

[tribal iris]

dps whores wanted excuse to not run it

[jolly shell]

Probably new entry today in #1

[tribal iris]

pls no

i dont want a 33k lancer

[jolly shell]

Not me! But also my sf is fake asf

[minor salmon]

oh no

another whale dont want play bd

[jolly shell]

Tbh i was close but always been des since live 10yrs ago

Ngl spear feels like its doing next continent tier dmg and we stuck behind

[tiny finch]

i've switched mains like every yr in bns

so this is on brand for me

[minor salmon]

I see a lot of destroyer switch to lancer

[jolly shell]

Yeah destro is in bad shape

[minor salmon]

they arent strong normaly ? ok it's buged but ...

[jolly shell]

Despite everyone talking about des stronk etc

Its kinda incomplete class

Also only one spec

And boring

Then you see Bm with 4 specs…

[minor salmon]

like Lancer

1 Spec

[jolly shell]

At least lancer just released xD

[minor salmon]

yeah

[jolly shell]

Good excuse

[minor salmon]

honestly if they buff MC at least

[jolly shell]

For des nc decided to butcher the class

Maybe in 4 continents patches copium

But yeah you will probably see a beluga whale tonight

[drifting dock]

destro is a budget lancer currently

unless they give it the same mech lancer has

[minor salmon]

honestly Lancer have only the dps for his own , if you want DPS + Utility tell him to play BD

[drifting dock]

fury cd per execute hit or something

[drifting dock]

not one person is considering utility in 2026

when raven king is there with 2.7 billion hp

[minor salmon]

People want hmb 😂

[drifting dock]

think hmb is the easiest party buff to find, everyone is BM or BD still xd

[minor salmon]

if only they dont make buff self

[quaint spire]

I was todays days old when I discovered zaiwei had a lvl 65 dummy

[drifting dock]

it's nice for testing rotations at low lvl like I am

need a 75 one next for better testing though

[quaint spire]

Yeah, I can compare at that lvl if RMB actually adds or removes dps

[tribal iris]

I mean its flavour of the month

destro was a beast last patch

[quaint spire]

I think i need to test for longer periods of time... Cuz barely better crit with RMB GM effect..

Crit variance I guess

[tribal iris]

are u keeping it up at 5 stacks

are u gm 30

[quaint spire]

Yes sir

48 gm actually

[tribal iris]

what the

[quaint spire]

That doesnt change anything to the issue at hand

[tribal iris]

yea test it longer

[quaint spire]

TW seems to think 48gm better tho

[tribal iris]

honestly thinking that to

cause u will recover more focus

so u never drop the boost on lmb

if u never have to exit E

[drifting dock]

I'll be on the look out of shadow WL my old main once the new leggies drop for it

lancer is fun and strong, but I'm still missing my ex

[minor salmon]

the only thing lancer need is true skill on mystic badge

[tribal iris]

i can imagine u guys getting bored playing the lmb eventually

[drifting dock]

I'd rather enjoy playing the class

4 made me want to quit the game

catching up on rate as a returning player is too rough smh

[quaint spire]

Ye on mushin dummy i never drop Demon form.

[minor salmon]

i pref play with 4 . , only lmb is boring

[quaint spire]

THo on the lvl 65 dummy i have to sometimes cuz RMB doesnt crit enough

[drifting dock]

if I dealt more dps with 4 I'd play it

[tribal iris]

but 4 is what makes the class unique

[drifting dock]

but couldn't reach the same dps in any content, and it was so annoying

so nosir

[minor salmon]

if i want play only LB . i play BM with heavensly slash

[tribal iris]

same

[drifting dock]

the worse LMB lancer

[minor salmon]

But i agree with lmb enjoyer = need a lot of crit / card crit % too

[quaint spire]

Ok my first parse without rmb was def lucky

cuz this time Z crits less and I get put out of demon form constantly

15% extra flat crit chance is some good bad rng protection

So rn at my current gear, I have to use RMB on nexus and up

and I can safely not use it on Asura and down

Maybe thatll change in the future. Im only lvl 71 atm

[drifting dock]

nexus seems good with lmb only at 71 for me

around 52% rate, a short drop but 4 tab keeps it afloat

then a sweet -12% rate from that on yeti

[quaint spire]

Hmm

what u mean 4 tab

are u running 1 legendary farstrike book

[drifting dock]

E ends, you use purple normal 4, get 4 demonic energy, then tab and lmb spam to reset E cd

and if Z crits even at 52% no drops

barely enough to keep E up

[quaint spire]

Hmm

I have an extra purple farstrike book laying around

I can try that

But Might as well just use rmb at that point

[drifting dock]

using rmb is such a wild dps loss

unless you can take full advantage of the rate

then idk if it pulls ahead

[quaint spire]

Its kinda weird really

You have bad crit, RMB Helps drops less, but you end up dropping due to focus issues cuz it doesnt crit enough

You have ok crit, RMB doesnt do much

You have godly crit

[drifting dock]

main issue with rmb is the focus

[quaint spire]

You NEVER drop with RMB ever

[drifting dock]

having to do the whole drop , Z, tab thing

[quaint spire]

yeah

this drop sucks

Im not too convinced about RMB

Like, you dont run out of Demonic energy thanks to it, but u run out of focus instead

And the fact its so slow and does less dmg, that means less spears overall

And when you have too much crit, you dont wanna use it anyways

[drifting dock]

it's a crutch for hard content for players who don't have master hong cards

but I'm not convinced it actually does more dps than lmb only even at wildly low rates

or well

[tiny finch]

it def doesn't

you're sacrificing dmg for more consistent dmg

[drifting dock]

if we're talking some insane non crit numbers like 30% maybe

[tiny finch]

that's basically all it is

[drifting dock]

but 40% which is the norm, don't think so

[ornate fox]

I was at 38% crit on lair lmb only and it was just about ok with 4>tab or z>rmb x5 to fill the gaps

[drifting dock]

yeah that's my usual WB rate cuz low level

so I'm used to playing like that

[quaint spire]

hmm

If only I had infinite gold I would actually test 0 RMB books, 1 purple 4 book

[ornate fox]

Definitely wouldnt want to go lower though

[quaint spire]

but for now im stuck with 2 Leg RMB

[tribal iris]

rmb is worth when u are super stacked

cause at like 150+

each stack only gives u

5.2% gm boost

unlike lower gm where its 12-16%

[vast tangle]

(very helpful to see ppl talking here, continue guys :p)

[ornate fox]

No i will cease

[vast tangle]

Can't wait to see which new legendary book lancer will get

[tribal iris]

noo, i like my 66% odds

but i think they need to add new build for new leg books

[vast tangle]

We will probably not see next wednesday but the next one, so in like 2 weeks

[tribal iris]

hope they add some utility option for other skills to spec to

i need more stuff on my msp belt

hope spinny slash gets a aoe pull spec

[quaint spire]

LMB only with 4 (or z + rmbx5) if run out of tab stance vs, RMB buff 90-95% uptime (cuz I suck)

5m ish parse on lvl 65 dummy each

So for me RMB should pull a bit ahead for Nexus

I dont have Sacred Mystic yet, so i have to do z v RMB x 5 actually

if I dont do 4 cuz its on cd.

The advantage of Z v RMBx5 tho is theres no animation lockout before being able to press tab again

4 tab feels a bit clunky cuz of that

I think that concludes my testing for now

I wish there was a lvl 70 or lvl 75 dummy to test extreme low crit cases

[drifting dock]

those are some very odd tests

at 56% lmb should pull ahead by far

as it's almost enough for full demonic

did you force zv RMBx5 on every rota regardless of how much you actually needed?

when there was no 4

[quaint spire]

Kinda?

[drifting dock]

yeah that'll skew the results quite a bit

[quaint spire]

4 tab feels clunky cuz i have to spam tab for so long for it to go off after 4

[drifting dock]

as you should only do the bare minimum to get E back

[quaint spire]

It could be as well I was really badlucky on when I have to drop out

Gonna do some more tests later

[drifting dock]

that's the word on the street

[quaint spire]

Actually did one more test and my parse was even worse @drifting dock

I ran in the situation where I got 5 non crit z in a row and barely any lmb crit, so I dropped out of E with 35sec cd on it

I would do 4 tab or z RMBx5 tab only to drop right back out

[vast tangle]

What ? Where is my message ?

I was asking if bind work for everyone ?

[quaint spire]

I feel like RNG is too bad on lvl 65 without RMB Crit buff uptime

Id rather have the more consistent crit with RMB buff

even if in theory LMB only could pull off a bit more dmg

well im gone for real now, gotta go visit someone

[mystic herald]

I can see the min max build being something like 48gm 4, 30gm rmb, rest lmb

[vast tangle]

@tribal iris DPS !

[still jackal]

what an abomination of a boss

eww

[drifting dock]

39% rate

yum

[tribal iris]

got fked at last 20%

[vast tangle]

Send me XD

[mystic herald]

im very close to multiple % crit cards, most of them are 1 card away, i think with those complete rmb shouldn't be needed

that stacking crit does look amazing on paper

[minor salmon]

same

[quaint spire]

I only have 5% crit from hong set, so feels like I need RMB for a long time

i need like 2 zulia and 1 rahu to fix that somewhat

[minor salmon]

why this card follow my account

give me jinsoyun or ikasun instead

[tribal iris]

wonder what happened to kiss

[drifting dock]

I did 4 and tabbed twice

into cooldown

and that was the end of my top 10

[clear hamlet]

refrain from posting in game screenshots containing third party software

[drifting dock]

that is some wildly bad rng with that rate damn

[mystic herald]

that's all I have and it's not THAT bad for me atm

just 1 hong 5%

[vast tangle]

ow, didn't see ! My bad

[ornate fox]

i think for this wb orbs make a big difference.. i had +300 ap or something

[drifting dock]

I was at 0,475% with 0 orbs

[quaint spire]

Ye.. I have yet to have that happen to me with lmb rmb

[drifting dock]

never left the boss's side

have to rmb too often with my measly rate

[tribal iris]

DL is getting crowded with 23-25k sf peeps

[mystic herald]

so a ss of dps meter gets a warning and removed in chat, but the detail breakdown of skill dmg/crit%/acc and etc are left alone

smh

[tribal iris]

actually we manually calculated that using a python script not a dps meter

[ornate fox]

is it manually calculated if you got a python script todo it

[mystic herald]

i mean technically anything not from nc itself is 3rd party

but i find it funny when they only target ss screenshots

meanwhile the breakdown of dps is literally from the same program

[vast tangle]

Someone have the answer about F bind ? Only lancer or everyone ?

[tribal iris]

everyone

[vast tangle]

100% mate ?

[tribal iris]

yes

tested

[mystic herald]

the crit dmg%?

[tribal iris]

yes

[mystic herald]

still not worth

sadly

[vast tangle]

Not worth ? Strong !

[mystic herald]

if you're playing in a proper group, ur gonna have a sum with pin

[tribal iris]

10-13% DPS boost to entire pt

[mystic herald]

pin = 11s with def down

lancer pin is only 6s

[tribal iris]

huh 11?

[mystic herald]

cat pin lasts an absurd amount of time

[tribal iris]

its 4?

[mystic herald]

our pin does not compare

[quaint spire]

It's extended with headbutt

I think

[mystic herald]

do you play with brian dead summoners?

cat pin can be extended twice

the pin itself

x for longer with scratch or w.e

then the headbutt

while also apply def down

[tribal iris]

doesnt cat jst get off

its def not 11

cause scratch is like 1se animation

[mystic herald]

no the cat stays on as long as you know the timing

[tribal iris]

headbutt like

1.5sec

how is it reaching 11

and u can still play with sum in pt to apply both def down and cdmg up at same time

[clear hamlet]

do you want ALL of the information removed?

Im doing my absolute best here

to compromise as much as I can

[mystic herald]

Im just under the impression that if a rule is so stricly enforced then it should apply to the rest

[tribal elbow]

hi

[still jackal]

rules guys

[tribal elbow]

da rulez

do you want my client

[still jackal]

Wubuwu

[tribal elbow]

free top 10 wb

[mystic herald]

the reason im saying is cus the cat pin lasts longer and gives the party a bigger dps window

[mystic herald]

i've asked multiple top 10 sums and they all say up to 11s if done right

[tribal iris]

yea its 10-11

[mystic herald]

I just asked one now

[tribal iris]

damn

[mystic herald]

so is 25% crit dmg for 6s better than a party wide almost double duration pin lol

[tribal elbow]

yes

https://tenor.com/view/battle-cat-air-cat-pilot-cat-cat-war-cat-gif-9888863539466296855

[tribal iris]

well good to have if there is no cat

[mystic herald]

gonna need some real numbers

cat can also be cc'd and miss the pin

[tribal elbow]

no complex numbers?

allowed?

[mystic herald]

just don't ss it lul

type it out

[tribal iris]

but if u have a static with cat yea

[mystic herald]

im gonna do my own testing

[tribal iris]

can always run without having it

[mystic herald]

i do play with a lot of sums so there is always a cat

[vast tangle]

It's not exactly 6sec

It's 1.5sec buff during 6sec bind

[mystic herald]

yes its exended 1.5

[vast tangle]

So.. 7.5 sec :p

[mystic herald]

after the last hit on 6s

[tribal iris]

brother wtf how does a 80% crit rate skill hit for 56%

[quaint spire]

Rng is a cruel mistress

[still jackal]

What boss is that?

[tribal iris]

lair

1st time it being this low though

last time i had 95% on lair

[tribal elbow]

brother ewwww

[tribal iris]

i thought you would have to reboost if you had to exit E to use Z

there isnt much issue with exiting E naturally

hell u can also even do tab Z E lmb rmb without losing boosts

[tribal iris]

Might be worth using E 4 lb lb 4 instead of 4 4, could help you instantly start lbing incase 4 didnt crit

[teal phoenix]

The wind up animation on lmb is pretty cool though o3o

[solemn mantle]

Can anyone send good build for 8 leg book any guides on youtube?

[quaint spire]

Check pinned message

Should give u enough info to get started

[polar elm]

Opinions are varied tbh, u either put all 8 leggies on LMB or split evenly between LMB and 4

[quaint spire]

Ahh, people saying RMB super bad now?

[lean ermine]

Ngl I tried it and hated it

Not worth the 450g to attempt it

[quaint spire]

So now youre pure LMB? or LMB 4?

Nvm I F3ed you

[lean ermine]

Haha just Lmb

[tribal iris]

wat did u hate about it

it does have lot of stuff to pay attention to

[mystic herald]

some people don't like weaving in abilities

but honestly i don't think rmb is needed

following kr builds no one really run it over there

[ornate fox]

wts eu

[quaint spire]

Don't tell me I have to spend 500 gold again

[mystic herald]

just do what feels better to play

[quaint spire]

Maybe if I had all the godly card sets. But def feels better with RMB rn. The Crit rate it gives is a safety net. Maybe I should not plan for the far future

Also I really need that gold because I'm behind on my badges

Heck I'm still using the virtuous badge from Dawncrest story

[mystic herald]

im not any better tbh, i had to use 2 alts to get my mystic badge to +10

played bm before and mystic badge was useless, so i left it at a virt+3

lancer mystic badge is still useless but now they give ap

so the catch up to upgrade badge is such a pain

its so expensive too -.-

it's easily 5k gold if ur hitting near pity every time

[quaint spire]

Yeah

Well mystic not as useless if you run RMB but still

[tribal iris]

um if yall want sf mystic, just make 1/2 alts

and buy bp

lvl 11 pretty much gets u upto +9 and pray for a +10 in 10 taps on main

[quaint spire]

Oh u mean seal badge and tap on aalt with free tickets from bp?

[tribal iris]

yes

u can go even further to also use the refine ment stones from the same alt to get an early cheap upgrade to +8

[quaint spire]

hmmge

so would cost 4200 gems including boosting to lvl 11, cuz I dont have any gear on alts anymore

But would I save enough doing that

[mystic herald]

why would you need to boost

you literally just need to do bare minimal

[quaint spire]

My alts have no gear and are unplayable

[mystic herald]

floor 1 mushin, 10 trash mobs msp

insig fusion, portrait fusion

drink/eat pot/soup

you can literally buy a 50dg winterbane wep

and do it

[quaint spire]

Hmmge

[mystic herald]

you can even skip the killing quests

but might be too late to skip them now if ur starting the alt bp

but i always am able to complete bp on alts just by doing those 4 things

which takes less than 10min each cchar

[quaint spire]

Just using the pots and dumplings would be enough to reach lvl 11 in 10 days

Thanks for enlightening me

[mystic herald]

yea but ur gonna want to finish the bp

its a waste not to

[quaint spire]

Cuz of the portraits I guess

[mystic herald]

and gold

you can effectively make back 75%+ of ur bp cost

by hitting 100g from all the boxes

obviously depends on current gold prices

but it generally pays for itself mostly

[quaint spire]

1200 ish atm in F5 NA

Thank youf or making me realise I was lazy

kekw

[fresh imp]

Does anyone know if the chain suppress is castable mid 4? Getting owned in beastbog 🙁

[polar elm]

never tried it kek

my 4 is too valuable to interupt just in case it doesnt work

[fresh imp]

Lol if it work I can kd 4 F and keep charging 4, oneshot

[polar elm]

why do you use 4 in beastbog tho

I just LMB everything

[fresh imp]

For the gangster mentality players lol

[polar elm]

oh yea pvp

[fresh imp]

:[ not every body respects the unspoken rule of beastbog lol

[polar elm]

I never actually fought anyone in beastbog lul

[fresh imp]

Yea just drop the 100 point orb and ull see the gangsters coming

[polar elm]

https://tenor.com/view/wise-calm-water-nice-beautiful-gif-5470735

The only place I actively pvp'd in was the cinderland's area where u farm the soul badge frags

before moonwater patch kek

[fresh imp]

I didn't participate in it lol it's the pvx area?

[tribal iris]

its not

[polar elm]

yea with the chest spawning in the middle for bonus prestige points

[fresh imp]

If it was would make our pvp viable ngl cc chain while charging 4

[fresh imp]

Rofl yea when I heard pvs I was like skip I can't compete

Now in beastbog usually I don't get pvped so I started doing it

Some like to make u lose ur points tho

[polar elm]

I was a bd so i could actually fight back the sintards

[fresh imp]

Ah that's another story xD I was a casual fire bm

[polar elm]

I cant pvp with lancer now

[fresh imp]

Ikr, we need suppress castable mid 4 could actually change the game

[tribal iris]

i really dont like the fact that

block and grab needs 1 focus

[dawn patrol]

which skill should i get as first purple ?

[fresh imp]

SAME very inconvenient

[mystic herald]

the bind is 6s

you bind then use 4

you should be able to get it off in time

charge is only 4s

[fresh imp]

Thanks will practice it!

[tiny finch]

6s if you have book for it

4s w/o book

[tribal iris]

do people only go for lowbies in beast bog or what

nobody has really bothered me the few times i went there

[quaint spire]

I don't even go to beastbog

[limber ore]

my rule on beastbog is just give a pray a predatory look

as warning then his to close to me, ı kill

[fresh imp]

I think my rule will be to beastbog at 3 am xD the kids would have slept by then

Well it's pvx after all I half blame those who kill players

[tribal iris]

any new whales swapped today

i cant take more pressure in top 10

i need my wb cards

wtf thunderstrike is soo ass to play on 4

[still jackal]

tanking it is much worse

[drifting dock]

was about to ragequit

by whoever tanked ch1

[tribal iris]

yo atleast ur 4s werent getting cancled

[drifting dock]

dropped 4 ranks because idk what

ran away from the boss 4 times in a row

so run into aoe 4x in a row

still somehow got the rank reward at 11

probably tied with 10

[tribal iris]

no its thunderstrike

u prolly got 2 box?

[drifting dock]

not sure how many I got, does it just give the legendary ones always on thunder?

[tribal iris]

yes

till top 30

1-10 - 3 box

[drifting dock]

lol

[tribal iris]

10-20 - 2box

21-30 - 1 box

tbf everyone else in top 10 is 23k~

[drifting dock]

yeah it's rough at 19

no idea what rank 10 was, but I was .450 with rank 9 being .459

was at 7 until the tank went insane

smh

more msp it is

[tribal iris]

yea u were really close to me at a point

[minor salmon]

i was at ch5

tanked by an bm dont want said his name , turn h24 the boss . i have to preshoot it but finish 17nd at lv 61

[tribal iris]

hmm BT b1

[minor salmon]

you are 84 Piercing dragon / 48 darkpierce

[quaint spire]

40% crit rate on lmb

[drifting dock]

this class just lives by those master hongs

[quaint spire]

master dongs, Rahus and Zulias

[tribal iris]

yea the ratio is expected

[teal phoenix]

They take it for themselves

[brave birch]

what leg books should I get if I have 3?

2 lmb and 1 4?

[tribal iris]

if u are playing 4 build, yes

if not only lmb

[hollow grotto]

wisp

[tribal iris]

guess u bought it? , wanted it badly but gold aint selling

[hollow grotto]

He say its sold

[tribal iris]

damn it

oh kiss is now 30 gm rmb to

guess peeps are getting tired of having no crit for resets

[drifting dock]

yeah it is tiresome

the class would see amazing benefits with such small changes

make Z always regen demonic energy on hit

problem solved for LMB

or just give us a good 4 badge and cc immunity during charge

or forget the immunity and give 2nd 4 regardless of crit

so many routes they could go to make the class far more enjoyable

[ornate fox]

kiss has been 30gm rmb for a few days to be fair

[tribal iris]

lean was

kiss wasnt

kiss was still 12 farstrike

[ornate fox]

i admit to checking him before and it was 30

[tribal iris]

eh i checked him yest

[ornate fox]

maybe he swapped around a bit?

[tribal iris]

not sure, but lean was the only 30 glaive for the longest

[quaint spire]

still 48 gm over here

https://tenor.com/kjvGH6VWvLP.gif

[tribal iris]

would consider 48 if the piercing is over 150

thats much less focus concern

[quaint spire]

Im only at 90 gm and I still dont dislike it

I have so many things to improve rn that id rather spend gold on badges fr example

so ill keep it that way

Might not be close to optimal

but so comfy

[tribal iris]

also for 4 spec people, if your 4 dont crit, try to weave in rmbs so you dont have to exit demon when farthstrike is on cd

[nocturne dagger]

i'm not a fan of 4 at all, it's not even high risk high reward, it's just clunky/puts you in bad positions

[quaint spire]

4 kinda relies on not having to tank so you can poke at a distance out of melee patterns instead