Warlock

[glad crypt]

I buy 12.1k

[shrewd ledge]

[lofty onyx]

WTS EU

[elfin merlin]

I saw a few times already that Thrall got aggro and tanked for some time but i couldnt figure out when and why exactly someone got ideas?

[uneven rain]

Thrall taunts the boss when you summon it, not for very long tho

You can kinda cancel the taunt tho by immediately using SB or E

Yes the taunt is not mentioned anywhere, idk why but it does happen. the only instance where it explicitly mentions taunt is on green/blue book gravity well

[elfin merlin]

i would like Thrall to tank more tbh xD

[tacit hemlock]

same, like when u send it in it autotaunts for a few secs or so would be nice as a standard imo

[blissful thunder]

[EU] WTS Purle Bombardment : Cooldown Reduction

[spring comet]

it used to be forced taunt on q, im unsure how they recoded it, but it seems to still work with no book

[steel anvil]

WTB Legendary book

[dim nymph]

Its basicly taunt whenever the suck in skill triggers, thats what taunts. U can q after the suck in but u wont get another taunt

[misty copper]

I learn it exist the hard way by accidentally cause Hae Mujin to walk out of position, lol

My tank was really not happy.

[coral snow]

WTB Legendary books NA

[cedar herald]

Surely the warlocks have legendary books

[whole breach]

I think a certain wl owns 40% of the legendary books in eu

I only own 1 + 1fragment

[naive badge]

i own 5 right now

2 are gifted away

but 2 fragments are left over

so 5 books and 2 frags

i hope thats not 40% of eu

[nimble osprey]

it might be lol

[naive badge]

cuz i need sum more 👀

[nimble osprey]

btw do people use virtuous soul badge for dragon helix? could i sell that?

[naive badge]

cinderlands sum has 5 books too

and some fm 2

[elfin merlin]

So did u guys try out some pvp skills?

I tried ice pvp wl but it feels horrible...

my pve build is way more usefull damage wise. CC spells wont hit most of the time and the knock up combo never hits with ice...

I guess i will only use it when 1vs1 is back

[shrewd ledge]

ice cant pvp

https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="TraitView"&p="NEOEU230725"&class="Warlock"&spec=0&lang="EN"&neoSkills="H4sIAOaWgmgAA2vaEpyak5pckpoSnJ2Zk5OUn5_tmVJ8h0GwcZFnylmWKU0givntaueMxLz0VM-8lNQKBrAYCxumGPNPFDGIEcoQ5epYjDDBolwAIiWCRcoCIqWNRYoRIuWERUoOIuWFxX5bZDFGiHLejeCA8E0sLkktqgwuSSxJbdyGIgQOr8z8vOLGZYbmhkYGBi1L3YtSU_MYljjllKYyLAsoLSrISWVa4p6fk8IAAPZvFClgAQAA"

here is ur pvp build bis

[ornate kraken]

WTS> NA -

[cedar herald]

thats a salvage book bro

[naive badge]

ice is strong in pvp

shadow is stronger

[shrewd ledge]

ice was strong in live

it's kinda unplayable here

[naive badge]

its not unplayable its just not as strong as shadow

[shrewd ledge]

it's because u have to take daze imprison and airborne soul shackle

[naive badge]

you have to do that on both specs

[shrewd ledge]

yea so most of time u dont have instant cast dragoncall

and dragoncall delay in pvp is worse than pve

[naive badge]

daze imprision gives u insta cast

leech gives u insta cast

ur dmg doesnt come from dc

[shrewd ledge]

most of time you don't wait imprison to finish

[naive badge]

finishes earlier than 2s

if you want to spawn a call u can hold on till last hit and then air

[shrewd ledge]

it does feel less cozy compared to shadow in pvp

and shadow is stronger

[naive badge]

thats for sure

but saying ice is unplayable

idk

[shrewd ledge]

well most wl just run full pve build in pvp

[naive badge]

99,99% of the server would die to ice wl

but shadow dmg is just disgusting on cc's

the pvp helix modifier is crazy

wish the legy helix kept the extra dmg on cc

like the rmb

[shrewd ledge]

i refuse to play ice in pvp unless they bring distortion barrier and teleport back

[naive badge]

dont know what that is

ive played wl pvp during 2016-2018

[shrewd ledge]

1+z, like fm ice tab for 5 seconds

[naive badge]

top 5 couple times

but tenah had to many alts

[shrewd ledge]

and teleport is gap closer, 9s cooldown on q and ss

ur q can dash too

[naive badge]

everything after awk wasnt pvp anymore

[shrewd ledge]

[naive badge]

i think it was when warden was released?

pvp after that was dead

[spring comet]

ice is unplayable isn't wrong no?

does the pve dcall even pierce parry?

think you needed the pvp bombard too for parry pierce, or was it just aoe on live i forget

[uneven rain]

it does

[misty copper]

So, ice pvp gameplay is basically you aired them up, then Bombard until dead?

Never pvp seriously as ice before, i tried it one time a few years back, end horribly and just quit.

[spring comet]

you air them up, and channel time distortion to keep doing it

[cedar herald]

this is what playing ice for pvp is like

[shrewd ledge]

[zenith charm]

thats summoner pvp in nutshell 🤣

[elfin merlin]

tenah was crazy xD i just got into top 20 or 30 sometimes

[naive badge]

have u tried double sb yet

[naive badge]

yes u spam bombards on cc‘s

pvp call can be used with imprision or leech into air

with basic ice pvp gear i could do like 80k dmg in a aircombo pretty easily

which is not bad but with shadow im able to do 120-150k dmg on aircombos
200k if a bd knows how to air properly for a wl
300k if a bd plays double air extend, shotouts to shana 😂

[elfin merlin]

i think its really hard to time it in a 6vs6

u have not always every skill up u need for a combo or they perma resist each other with clouds and HMB

or u get in 3 vs 1 where u cant press more then 1 spell before getting hit by a cc

[dim nymph]

why the f we talking abt pvp on a pve game? its not like arena 1v1 or 3v3 will be back, the only use for shadow WOULD BE in 6v6 and "skyhaven" but who actively pvps seriously in these areas?

[neon spade]

@uneven rain hey bun, 2 questions

is this a text error or is the skill description wrong?

meant to be 20% crit rate, 50% crit dmg and 10% ap?

and other question was in regards to rotation, just so im not missing anything, there is awk downtime on instant casts dc and wingstorm about 50 seconds in combat right? start by soulburn n leech then imprison and continue till it finishes (even though leech is already ready again), leech again go through that and then theres a gap as imprisions not up yet so just spamming rmb and f? sound right?

[naive badge]

you can also use shadow in pve

[shrewd ledge]

nah you cant

[naive badge]

with full purple u should be able to do 60-70k on wb as shadow with 1100 ap only

ice will deal more thats for sure but its not like shadow is completly garbage

[misty copper]

Shadow is only 15% less dps than ice(from what I heard ,correct me if it wrong) and rotation is more flexible.

Honestly I like shadow more but I have to swap to ice because shadow is very unfriendly to high ping.

[shrewd ledge]

@naive badgei just saw the soulburn bug

[misty copper]

You will need Temporal Field to close that gap, but the Temporal Field itself have high CD so you will eventually have a gap for a few seconds anyway, Just rmb<->f until its back.

Sometime I hold on to use Wingstorm when Siphon is active, and use it to fill in that gap, it might not make Dragoncall become instant but rmb is. But this personal preference so...

[naive badge]

on hexwood?

[shrewd ledge]

yea

[naive badge]

i didnt see yet one testing shadow and ice with the same gear/set up

[shrewd ledge]

but still have to wait a min to cast again

[naive badge]

i cant say how much % dif

[naive badge]

if you sb in your sb u extend sb

but for shadow thats a dps loss

for some reason awk rmb costs 2x2 focus

and not 2-0-0 like its supposed to be

[shrewd ledge]

：o

didnt know that

but let me in sb forever

[misty copper]

Purple ice rmb on EU back to 17k again after it down to 10k 2 days ago....

[shrewd ledge]

you only need 3

no big deal

[naive badge]

if u could have perma leech it wouldnt be a loss

but shadow rarely sees leech

[misty copper]

I have a feeling that Leech myticbadge only work for the first hit of Shadow Salvo is the oversight. There's no way its a good idea to make it work like that.

[cedar herald]

no I forgor, I remembered once and totally butchered my rotation because I thought the pizza was coming soon and it wasn't

[grim relic]

WTB Soul Flare Heroic EU drop a pm

[cedar herald]

I can't do anywhere near 60-70k

[shrewd ledge]

completely fake news

[dim nymph]

ye same way u can use sin HS on pve. but why most sins dont play HS? same reason u shouldnt play shadow wl on pve. they arent comparable, EP sin >>> HS sin DC wl >>> Helix WL the dif in dmg is quite a big jump

[shrewd ledge]

its cheap

[raw fern]

is WL weak? returning to game and people were saying how WL was gonna be busted on release and now I see people saying it's on the lower end of dps compared to others

[zenith charm]

no party buff and according to korea tier list its worst class ever dps wise

@raw fern WL right now is scuffed FM

[raw fern]

rip

[naive badge]

weakest dps class right now

maybe ice is a little bit higher than sum

[shrewd ledge]

a bit

little tiny small bit

[naive badge]

till we get our main skill

[fringe kestrel]

WTB NA: "BOMBARMENT: COOLDOWN REDUCTION"

[cedar herald]

@naive badge I did 39k on cinderlands wb teach me how to do 70

[shrewd ledge]

[cedar herald]

@shrewd ledge

[shrewd ledge]

WTS NA

[naive badge]

shadow or ice?

[cedar herald]

ice ofc

[naive badge]

where are u gear wise

[naive badge]

what is that blue skill?

[cedar herald]

soul shackle

[naive badge]

do you get leech up early enough to use the book for shorter cd?

[cedar herald]

never checked forgot why I had it before

don't need it now

meant to do that ty for the reminder lol

[warm flax]

What skill reduce leech cd?

[uneven rain]

imprison/mortal coil

on last hit

so don't cancel it/pray boss stays in it

[glad crypt]

S> WL hex weapon. 3 slot and soul core. 1line. NA Heavens Reach

[nimble osprey]

guys does dragoncall have a mw soul badge? cus i opened so many chests and i'm wondering if there's even one lmao or am i just unlucky?

[uneven rain]

Yes

You can literally see all the possible badges by viewing probability

[lofty onyx]

my ring became beautiful

[nimble osprey]

oh okay i didn't know

is virtuous dragon helix badge worth anything?

[uneven rain]

It's bis for shadow

So

[naive badge]

its the superior spec

big money right there

[misty copper]

[nimble osprey]

you think it's worth selling on EU server? :o cus i don't play shadow but i got the virtuous badge

[naive badge]

sure why not

[nimble osprey]

i trust that you'd give me a good price estimation for what i could sell it? (i'm asking since i'm new to the game)

[naive badge]

on eu

maybe 5k?

4 or 5

[nimble osprey]

how expensive is dragon helix book on the contrary?

[tacit vector]

currently unsold badge on the market for 1k but yea u can definitely try your luck waiting for 5k to sell

[naive badge]

1k for helix badge?

[nimble osprey]

how expensive is dragon helix skillbook?

might go just shadow

[nimble osprey]

@naive badge you know around what a helix blue book costs? might go shadow if it's cheaper

[naive badge]

bluebook should be almost free

maybe 600 800 like anyother main dmg skill for bluebooks

[misty copper]

on EU Helix are floating around 700-1000 someone try to price fix it real hard. For Dragoncall it can go lower than 500 sometime, but its stay around 600 mostly.

[naive badge]

aint me

👀

[tacit hemlock]

theres just not many books either man i think u underestimate how little the playerbase really is

[naive badge]

i atleast know 2 shadowwarlocks

[tacit hemlock]

on cinderlands theres like 2 shadow warlocks that have the dps req for bsh2

[misty copper]

Is WB rank is server specific or its regional?

Just wondering

[tacit hemlock]

server specific

[misty copper]

ty!

[tacit hemlock]

this was cinderlands earlier

[misty copper]

Ah crap, after merge I would have even less chance to get on top10, I'm dead stop at 11 in last wb...

[tacit hemlock]

oh yea theres no way then

[misty copper]

😭

[tacit hemlock]

im usually rank 5 or 6 and will likely fall just out of top10 as well

[misty copper]

I just want to see those box just once!!

[distant cedar]

today was wild, we had like only 9wl up there for a minute or so until the 10th joined xD

[misty copper]

Somehow that sound good and bad at the same time. lol

[distant cedar]

good for everyone that wants a chest for today yes

bad for everyone who wants to play this game for a longer time because there are not a lot of people D:

[naive badge]

damn

how long was ur bossfight

[naive badge]

is bsh2 blood mane?

or hae mujin

[tribal python]

Hae mujin

[naive badge]

thats not a lot

[tacit hemlock]

yeah, mujin

[distant cedar]

not sure but i think the usual 7ish minutes?

[naive badge]

okay thats pretty long

[distant cedar]

there are almost no whales left on cinderlands what do you expect 😄

[naive badge]

but not as dead as i expected

our wb usually takes 3min

[shrewd ledge]

but how to do 70k with full purple

[lofty onyx]

Who is doing 70k with purples?

[naive badge]

shadow warlock

with 1100 ap is able to do 60-70k full purple books

is what i said

[spring comet]

huh?

Any chance you can record that?

[whole breach]

[naive badge]

for that i would need 2 more helixes

[cedar herald]

I'd settle for like 55

[shrewd ledge]

maybe first 20 seconds

i need some help

i cant even see 50

[naive badge]

[cedar herald]

maybe its a blue book

[naive badge]

isnt that like almost max gear

[naive badge]

whats ur gear?

[cedar herald]

[spring comet]

i mean i'm like genuinely curious if i just missed something major they changed in NEO

[shrewd ledge]

is that 1 blue bombardment preventing me doing 70k

[uneven rain]

Could also be the ping cuz doesn't sour have like 10ms? I mean that's the main reason why I'm able to outdps/compete with frost wls who are higher geared than me

[cedar herald]

ping isn't making up 30k

[shrewd ledge]

does 5ms matter that much for wl

my ping is 15ms

[uneven rain]

No you're just bad

[shrewd ledge]

IKR

[uneven rain]

[naive badge]

my ping is 6 most of the time

and it shouldnt make up 30k because 40k is way to low even for shadow

[shrewd ledge]

but we need your guide

[naive badge]

watch bunnys guide

except the badge play focus badge

[uneven rain]

When I tested hex storm vs focus badge they were honestly almost the same dps

With focus being like slightly worse

And I mean slightly

Maybe with leggy rmb it's better since that's basically like having hex storm badge for free

[naive badge]

the only times i do use hexstorm is 3 times during leech insta cast

and twice during mortal coil insta cast

but i will never hardcast that wet noodle skill

and helix does almost the same amount of dmg

during sb i also do not use the insta cast since it shares gcd with helix

[shrewd ledge]

i mean he clearly need ur help

cuz hes not doing more than vestea

SOMETIMES

[naive badge]

how much does vestea do

[shrewd ledge]

like 40 or something

[naive badge]

cuz i have way more stacks than him

idk why this guy stacks rmb

wtf

maybe no helixes

[cedar herald]

70k isn't even remotely possible on a training dummy

[shrewd ledge]

but it's still a leg rmb and full purple

[naive badge]

why isnt 70k possible

wind bd does 110k with the same gear

[shrewd ledge]

huh?

[naive badge]

bm does 130k with the same gear

[shrewd ledge]

is eu coding or what

[naive badge]

?

[shrewd ledge]

everything maxed out fm can only do like 90k on wb

[cedar herald]

70k would mean that some upgrade will somehow boost my damage by 70% or I'm so incompetent that I'm doing 70% less damage

[shrewd ledge]

1 lego ice rain full purple stack

[naive badge]

fm dps isnt crazy

like kfm or bm

bm doesnt even need legy puncture to laugh at fm

[cedar herald]

right but other classes dps has no bearing on the dps warlock is doing

[naive badge]

thats why i am only dealing 65k on avg

dogshit dps

[cedar herald]

can you show us

[naive badge]

once im home

i can show u a screenshot of my last wb which took place 4days ago

[shrewd ledge]

wait u did 65k

how can full purple do 70

[naive badge]

i have 3 legy rmbs

rmb hits like a wet noodle

going pvp purple rmb and therefore 2 more helixes is more dps

according to math

where as in ice legy rmb hits like a truck

with the 4,5x ap modifier

[cedar herald]

4.5 is awakened

[naive badge]

thats a helix of mine

another question who said or tested that ice is indeed stronger right now

cuz i didnt

[cedar herald]

you say that ice is stronger constantly wdym

[naive badge]

i say what i hear from other ppl

10-20%

[uneven rain]

I say 10-20% as a guesstimate based on what I see when I run into ice wls and also knowing that KR players pretty much have all run frost since day 1

[shrewd ledge]

maybe because ice warlock is the real warlock

[uneven rain]

[storm oasis]

Shadow is probably stronger if played like they do in live

Aka with a little bit of “help”

[naive badge]

try it and tell me if it works

[storm oasis]

I’m not brave enough

[zenith charm]

feels much better with shadow , for me dragon feels clunky

[storm oasis]

Yeah I main shadow for the same reason

Even if I assume ice is 10% ahead, if I wanted max dps, I would be far away from this class

[lofty onyx]

@naive badge shadow is way better for msp farming exp than ice isnt it?

[naive badge]

100%

[lofty onyx]

its 5 skills to swap builds right?

[storm oasis]

What makes shadow better in msp, some specific build?

[naive badge]

only the short x kd is nice

[storm oasis]

Or is ice cooked there

[naive badge]

because of shorter cd and insta salvo casts

and aoe kd

soul shackle also nice

[storm oasis]

Haven’t used the aoe kd, but solo farming is indeed smooth

Assumed ice would be similar

[lofty onyx]

ice is cancer in there

[tacit hemlock]

idk man id love to have that macro

[naive badge]

4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4t4

here u go

[tacit hemlock]

well yea that my sb macro

[naive badge]

same inside and outside sb

[tacit hemlock]

my outside sb has like 4t4t4tr

incase theres no focus it plops an lmb in there

i wonder how the merge will affect the servers, cause the last few days it seems to be a struggle to get the inputs done in order for some reason.
Stuff like spamming SB 6 times in a row and it just not popping, soulcore not popping, spamming ss not popping

[zenith charm]

oh YEAH i notice there is delay in my soulcore despite having low ms , my character do animation and after 1-3 sec it start appearing and doing the damage

[tacit hemlock]

its horrible man forreal. Id burst upto 70k a few days ago and then this input stuff happened and barely get over 50k

[zenith charm]

btw the meta for shadow is the meta salvo CD reduction or spectral orb ?

[fringe kestrel]

Spectral orb RMB is meta now

[zenith charm]

why ?

[toxic mortar]

WTB Heroic Dragon Helix NA

[fringe kestrel]

It is easier to generate orbs and it allows you to run regular rupture instead of repture: spectral orb. being able to run regular rupture completely solves focus issues other builds have and is easier for a lot of people to play

people are still testing other variants too. I had someone tell me they are doing well with both RMB: Spectral orb and rupture: spectral orb, it just requires purple mantra to make it work without focus problems.

[uneven rain]

it's higher dps than orb rmb without orb rupture

but you need both focus badge and purple mantra

[fringe kestrel]

is that the highest DPS Shadow build currently then? spectral orb (rmb + rupture) ,with purple mantra and Focus badge?

[uneven rain]

likely so

[fringe kestrel]

neat

[uneven rain]

i haven't been able to personally test the difference between my buld and that one yet

and prob won't ever cuz im still on the fence about buying purple mantra

since silverfrost badge and 18gm helix might mean purple mantra isn't rlly needed anymore

and blue would be fine

and if you stack hexstorm, which i would prob reccomend cuz those buffs seems rlly good for shadow but obv take that with a grain of salt, then you could drop mantra

[zenith charm]

@uneven rain whats best build that isn't reliant on mantra ? im asking this cuz i play warlock as alt and gear that have CR +CD + 3 skill slot + 3 mantra is mad expensive so i plan to simply go route of skipping mantra since im not whale ,

so which build i choose that gives easy focus and high damage ?

[uneven rain]

prob mine

[zenith charm]

what you use ? but tell me skills name exactly not short cut of them cuz i don't know the names

[uneven rain]

orb rmb, blue mantra, focus rupture, hex storm cdr badge

that's the only difference from the other build

[zenith charm]

like i said i don't have mantra slots 😅

will it still work without mantra slots ?

[uneven rain]

im not talking about mantra stones

i meant the book

[uneven rain]

same here

for future reference, if i was talking about mantra stones i specifically say "mantra stones"

to avoid confusion with the mantra skillbook

[zenith charm]

@uneven rain so you mean blue skill books ? and work fine without mantra right ?

[uneven rain]

the mantra stones have no effect on it

mantra book is the main deciding factor

[zenith charm]

@uneven rain ah so i don't need the stone for the build good too know

[tacit hemlock]

you dont NEED mantra slots/stones but, having them on multiple pieces of gear does add up. The best one is likely this one:

[zenith charm]

will need to sell my kidny inorder to afford 6 acc slots CD+CR 3 skill slot 3 slot mantra for it which im no whale , thats why i asked build without mantra to cut cost

@tacit hemlock right now gear is cheap cuz next patch will comes out next month and people already got their gear long time ago so price down but again its worthless cuz next month it will be replaced , when new patch comes out 1 purple piece cost from 5k to 7k which is insane ( not even legendary btw , as majority of people i saw doesn't even have CD + CR legendary its usually 1 good stat and other bad stat ) as epic upgrade cheaper and worth sacrifice some AP for BIS stats on cheaper purple gear

[tacit hemlock]

I dont understand what you are saying honestly. Prices are what they are because of the general low supply. Personally Im eyeballing double crit legendaries(or single ones and rerolling stat) since I have seen first hand how much damage a streak of upgrade failures can do

as a f2p player there is not much you can do but hope and snipe something :p

[zenith charm]

im compare it to early moon water plain and early neo launch when patch is fresh things be expensive and when end of patch cycle it gets cheaper but worthless , during these 2 era both supply and demands were high they weren't low like now

inorder to reroll stat just once on legendary you will need 6 transformation stone , 3 hongmoon essence and 9 gold

meanwhile if you want epic reroll you need 4 transformation stone , 1 hongmoon essence , 3 gold

so much cheaper with epic as im also f2p player and ask very good veteran player he mentioned epic just better cuz very flexiable and f2p friendly and cheaper to upgrade , as you will get AP anyways from upgrading insigna

[tacit hemlock]

yes purple is more budget friendly, and you will clear all the current content minus lab with all purple gear. Then comes the upgrading though, goodluck grinding the ascent stones if you pity 6 times on a piece lol

[zenith charm]

i agree with you , tho ascent stone is still less painful than legendary upgrade 1 dutile stone that you can get once per week and 7 transformation stone and 50 gold , 50 jewel powder just to try once from awakening to true , and main way to get battlepass people do is getting 100 gold , sell it for say 1700 then do crafting to get 2k to buy next battlepass so its missed

also content like lab and above made for whales so doesn't matter how good you are as f2p player you won't enter it anyways duo to how math works sadly , game is more p2w than gatcha so i myself stop bothering fighting credit card warriors for legendary dungeon spot 🤣

[zenith charm]

here is legendary with garbage block stats cost 7k

now x6 for 6 acc thats 42k with 2ndary trash stat good luck getting them as f2p player lol

[tacit hemlock]

thats expensive as hell, i bought this yesterday for 4k

mookwan also only has 1% droprate for belt so prices will likely not drop on belts

also. whoever listed that dragonhelix on EU for 25k, I hope your pillow is warm at night on both sides

[zenith charm]

yeah notice it has defense stats , worst part is its 24 hours so someone else could buy it so you need to stack tons of divine gem ahead of time and waiting for good gear to drop on market and here is the thing yyou buy it when we already at end of the patch cycle were next month gear reset so guy sell it for you for 4k knows that so he want to sell it quickly

next month patch when gear reset will be mad expensive sadly , cuz we have low supply but also low demand , means things can be crazy expensive cuz 1 or 2 person selling it on market for only 24 hours

what i recommend you to do just keep saving gems don't spend till next patch comes out and then buy new gear better in long run

[tacit hemlock]

you realize they wont just make our current gear useless right? It will transition. If it doesnt and they make us start from zero I cant see any endgame players still playing lol

[tribal python]

Gear will never get as expensive as it used to

Because there's ascension and there's rerolling

[zenith charm]

they will actually be better in long run like i mention before as you upgrade them , i saw people doing translation from korean notes sadly didn't save this conversation and screenshots

[zenith charm]

epic cheap tho legendary expensive for reroll

[pure cairn]

you can upgrade our current to silverfrost ones
true legendary will turn into purple +4

[zenith charm]

then they will drop next patch were they give us legendary silvermountain , as people won't be running old moonwater content and instead getting more powerful gear , also we are talking about f2p players here experience as we not getting true legendary lol , not worth the investment as f2p so getting fresh silvermountain is cheaper

[pure cairn]

the gold cost for those ramps up massively
https://probability.plaync.com/bns/view?probCategoryId=67444922e5827342da94e828
official costs and chances from korea Snow accessory and snow weapon are the purple tiers

[zenith charm]

yeah but you will upgrade your gear regardless if you moonwater gear or silvermountain gear you will need to upgrade them regardless , my point is getting fresh silvermountain and upgrade will be easier than say getting true legendary moonwater that is equal to purple silver mountain gear

cuz next month after that say we get silver mountain part 1 patch were it give us now legendary accessories similar how we get them in parts from moonwater in past , so people now switch to legendary gear as ascension stone can be pain to get 20 of them just for 1 try and tons of gold to upgrade from purple to legendary so people skip process by buying directly legendary acc with 1 good stat and 1 trash stat cuz lets be honest bis one with say CD+CR legendary cost arm and leg which is awful for f2p player

thats why its best for f2p to simply stick to purples as its much cheaper to upgrade and reroll ,,sure you won't do latest dungeon but its better than open your wallet and spend thousands in attempt to catch up with whales who get legendary dungeon each month and each dungeon harder than one before it

[zenith charm]

tho one thing about ( gold cost ramp up massively ) but at same time remember with each patch we get more gold from new content , so in ciderland gold was hard to get , now its easier with moonwater and my guess we will get more gold in silvermountain

[tacit hemlock]

teach me how to translate this cause google translate aint cutting it please 😭

[tacit hemlock]

in kr they still run what you call old moonwater content, look at the streams lol

[pure cairn]

i just use Edges default translations

the accessories and weapon before snow start with multiple + tiers so thats silverfrost
and since you go from blue to purple i just assume its in order

[naive badge]

chatgpt translate it really well if you let it know what game

[toxic mortar]

WTB NA Heroic Dragon Helix

[naive badge]

@lofty minnow please change additional dmg based on block to based on piercing

for all warlock skills

thank you

[storm oasis]

Agreed

[spring trout]

How much is purple rupture worth? 👀

[tacit hemlock]

1200

every purple book is 1200 😭

[swift hollow]

lies

gimme dc for 1.2k

[spring trout]

I want to buy it

Sell me 1200

[tacit hemlock]

if i had it sure

here u go bud 😭

[zenith charm]

read what i said again , once part 1 comes and new better gear legendary comes out people will not run moonwater , similar how they bring legendaries with moonwater parts so we aint running that in future lol

[neon spade]

@uneven rain we just need @shrewd ledge to carry us

[shrewd ledge]

wdym i didnt get in top 10 today

[whole breach]

needs to be a defence skill and a off one so best options would be pierce & hp

[neon spade]

me neither 🤣 but thats cause i forgot about it, like i always do LOL 🤣

[uneven rain]

I asked him alrdy

He said I have to join clan

[neon spade]

wallets not deep enough for niu ma :' )

[uneven rain]

Fr

[dim nymph]

WTS pmo (EU moonwater/cinderlands)

[naive badge]

first f2p warlock with awk weapon

[cedar herald]

@naive badge You home to share the 65k wb yet

[shrewd ledge]

wtb wl mentor

[uneven rain]

same

[cedar herald]

Pay me 1 dragoncall

(legendary)

[shrewd ledge]

i am legendary

[pure cairn]

People will still run moonwater dungeons for experience and daily gold

[zenith charm]

im not talking about that tho

[naive badge]

nah im good

[misty copper]

Hey guy, any tip to dodge Hae Mujin red puddle? I try to cheese them with Bastion but its not work for long when he using it back to back, I still don't understand the pattern. =_="

[storm oasis]

Z-> SS -> walk

In any order you desire

Most of the time if you dps while moving you can just walk em

[misty copper]

Well, the problem is i'm playing at 170 ping, so walk option is hard with how fast it is, I have to be at the edge of the puddle to actually walk out of it.

[storm oasis]

You always have to be at the edge of the puddle to walk out of it

Even at 9 ping

Which is why you dps while moving

To have a better shot at being at the edge

[misty copper]

Is there any patten at all? or its random?

[storm oasis]

Random

[misty copper]

damn...

[tribal python]

I do feel like theyre in melee range more often than not

[tacit hemlock]

use repulse blue book as an extra resist for when your SS is on cooldown as well as when your bastion is on cooldown

[tacit hemlock]

WTS EU cinderlands

[lofty onyx]

@misty copper if we happen to run together i can show you something on mujin

[distant cedar]

There is a spot at around 1 o clock at around 15m distance where never a circle will hit you

[tribal python]

👀

[tacit hemlock]

so here approximately would be no circles dropping? 😮

Red=mujin
Blue=your character

i just realized i doodled it on the discord background color kek, well it was supposed to be in a square

[misty copper]

Nice!! Thank you!!

[misty copper]

One more question, I see my dps chart and found that my Bombardments are consist of 50% of my damage distribution (Bombardment Badge and without any skill stacking, also 50% come from combine Bombardment with awk version because I think technically its the same skill).

So my question is it ok in the long run to mainly stacking Bombardment? and Dragoncall as secondary?

[naive badge]

in the long run no

[misty copper]

Is it because of these?

Just see it on yast...

[naive badge]

u r gonna crit a lot more later on

have higher counts on dc

dc has higher ap multiplier so every gm stack on dc is 250% more dmg than any rmb gm stack

[misty copper]

Didn't know about this, Thank!

[naive badge]

plus u will be able to have perma leech

i dont think rupture is gonna be a thing on ice later on

[misty copper]

Thank! that help a lot.

[naive badge]

but for now i guess it doesnt matter how u stack

[misty copper]

So my plan now is stacking blue Bombard because it cheaper and focus on getting more purple DC when oppotunity come (like purple selector) for future patch. Should be ok I guess.

[naive badge]

if i was you i would go full dragoncall

even if the most wouldnt agree

[distant cedar]

Yeah

[zinc arch]

steal mean leech ?

[fringe kestrel]

yes. "steel" refers to leech here

[zinc arch]

damn

[shrewd ledge]

it will not be perma leech

but definitely more uptime

[zinc arch]

yeah

[naive badge]

cant perma leech if u cant perma brand

[shrewd ledge]

with tether blade you perma brand

[cedar herald]

without the GM bonuses bombardment stacking is better than dragon

@misty copper

[shrewd ledge]

that's correct

[cedar herald]

The raw damage value of a blue bombardment is kinda close to a purple dcall I think

[shrewd ledge]

SOMEONE BUY IT PLS

[glad crypt]

Which one of you sickos bought the dcall for 17k then reposted it for 24k

[uneven rain]

[shrewd ledge]

@cedar herald he did

[cedar herald]

[glad crypt]

speaking of which... WTB dragoncalls that are not 24k. dm me. NA Heavens Reach

[dim nymph]

lol, ppl still trying to flip things(purple books) for absurd ammounts of dg. ye not gona happen, if u dont flip em now, you wont flip em anymore with a certain upcoming event coming(assuming it is true tho)

[storm oasis]

any assumption about a positive new event that actually helps with progression and isn't 99% rng based

is high levels of copium at this point

[misty copper]

Just asking, how do you guys dealing with how we have to be temporary Tank at the beginning of a boss fight because sb? Just tank it until you're not the top aggro or delay your sb? or something else?

[storm oasis]

you wait before starting to dps if you don't want to tank

5 to 10 seconds depending on how strong the real tank is

[cedar herald]

wait 20 seconds

[novel pecan]

no blue card + no luck = no dps 🙂

[grim relic]

WTS EU

[naive badge]

play with a tank or delay by 5-10s

[glad crypt]

pain

[misty copper]

upcoming event? what did I miss? 👀

[dim nymph]

something i heard abt an event we will suposedly get together with sv merge. if its true idk. the person i heard from should be trustable tho. the thing is, he read it all on a vietnamise discord group

[whole breach]

wts eu

[shrewd ledge]

tank it

[novel maple]

I'll swap to shadow if we get a badge like this and Ravaging Curse in neo

This is the badge that made Shadow twice as good as ice

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1346615690102046730/1399860797513011350/Client_2019-05-15_09-50-03.png?ex=688a8976&is=688937f6&hm=1fa545b55ec1e8a323a2c4ac0ad075ff98341723f33d2dc837482cffea132bc3&

NC holding back shadow on purpose by not making a book for it already

[fringe kestrel]

I just walk up to the boss and tank for the first little while. having a book/gear for blue book bastion is helpful if you need it in these scenarios.

[dim nymph]

this from live? unlikely to happen if its from live

[novel maple]

At least ravaging curse

Although Salvo being available on helix would also be 10/10

Since volley 1 and 2 suck

Songbird stacks are dead but would be gamebreaking in Neo for sure

[misty copper]

This BP is so bad, its suspicious...

Did they holding up giving purple skill because something will happen on 5 Aug...

Or maybe just being stingy, I don't know.

[uneven rain]

that's hella copium

ngl

[dim nymph]

its just rumours but its suposedly an event for the sv merging

[misty copper]

Yes

https://tenor.com/view/ragdoll-ragdoll-cat-cat-inhaler-featherkiss-bedfellows-gif-11612167093603504073

[dim nymph]

i got from bound purple bombard focus reduction, should i keep using the blue bombard cd reduction or change to this one since it deals more dmg? from what ive seen it seems i only loose rupture cd reduction wich only trigers on crit

[uneven rain]

cd reduction

[glad crypt]

reported

[naive badge]

nice new dungeon

[shrewd ledge]

wtb a real class

[cedar fjord]

Nice gz to the useless skill

[naive badge]

why is it useless

[shrewd ledge]

it worth up to 15k in NA

[cedar fjord]

As Ice wl you need 1x rmb

[shrewd ledge]

no you need more

[cedar fjord]

actually no

first prio is 48 gm Dc

And you only get that with full dc and 1x rmb 🙂

So if you don't have a lege dc “
”2 times" you can't stack any more rmb

[shrewd ledge]

you can still have more

[cedar fjord]

Tell me

maybe u can swap rapture with rmb

after 48 stacks

[shrewd ledge]

figure it out yourself im telling you that you can have 2 more even 3

[cedar fjord]

Maybe you can swap the 3 as soon as you have 48 stacks and lmb mantra

So ye maybe 3 rmb

[uneven rain]

frost drops mantra book with silverfrost badge

[shrewd ledge]

drop mantra temporal and potentially drop rupture

[misty copper]

If you don't want frost rmb just give it to me, no need to argue here lol

[uneven rain]

[cedar fjord]

oh true the field ye, If it all works ye, maybe you also have to put in a ppl kd for brand

[shrewd ledge]

no soul shackle no circle of wrath

[elfin merlin]

you want to tell me you are f2p? xD

[elfin merlin]

no im stacking block already...

[thick spoke]

Is there a reason eu prefers shadow o:

[grim relic]

still exists the sell

[zinc arch]

cheap

[spring comet]

shadow always felt better to play. They let you move for literally everything and theres no dumb damage ramp up, ur just 100% from the start

[elfin merlin]

how is this even possible and why is this allowed

i guess in two weeks i got it

Worldboss weapon would be cheaper at this point

[dim nymph]

use the transformation stones evolution.

[elfin merlin]

the problem is this little thing

that you can only get once per week

this game is holding me back xD

[lofty onyx]

You can also buy other true legi stuff and destroy it for ductile stones :p

[elfin merlin]

yeah then i can really go for WB Weapon xD

[dim nymph]

true that is kinda bs

[tacit hemlock]

wts EU cinderlands dm me your offer.

Also wts this weapon, dm me your offer.

[misty copper]

I'm finally did it!

[tacit hemlock]

buy my gear amd u will skyrocket np

[lofty onyx]

Buy all of my gear for cheap if u take all :)

[misty copper]

[naive badge]

what does cheap mean

https://tenor.com/view/hd-smirk-gif-7206957141966421326

[whole breach]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-26050971

[neon spade]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-gun-gif-26207908

@uneven rain

[uneven rain]

i love when i just

don't crit

[neon spade]

i love when i walk out of attack ranges but his like nope 🤣

[hollow bloom]

WTS NA pm me sold

[tacit hemlock]

wts the above on EU 😭

[cedar fjord]

lucky boy, I fell asleep before Wb

[misty copper]

thank for 10g

[cedar fjord]

haha na just a joke! congratulations on making the top 10

[lofty onyx]

Something about 70-80% market value

[tacit hemlock]

Taking offers for both badges as well
EU cinderlands

[whole breach]

50

[naive badge]

60

[lofty onyx]

69

[elfin merlin]

50

[grim relic]

Taking Offers for this book :EU Moonwater

[naive badge]

@uneven rain i need to see how legy helix looks like

go find me one

[uneven rain]

[zinc arch]

dragoncall too at this point

[grim relic]

does the book i have linked is it good?

[uneven rain]

yes it's good

[whole breach]

Kinda weird we know how V looks like but not 4 as legendary

[uneven rain]

we do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmT2TeP9TWM

@naive badge

this guy has leggy V which means they likely also have leggy helix

looks basically the same as purple

ye

looks the same

[naive badge]

this guy no dps

yeah he has legy helix

looks worse or maybe just his graphics turned down

[tacit hemlock]

i have to ask, is it the same WB absence on moonwater?

cause this does not show me a healthy game or class xD

[naive badge]

moonwater yesterday

u r playing a class that doesnt provide anything for you group

[tacit hemlock]

projectile protecting man 😭

LMAO

[naive badge]

no bleed

no grabs

no cc's

[tacit hemlock]

there is bleed

[naive badge]

no utility

if u cant keep it up 100% of the time urself

then u shouldnt call it bleed

[tacit hemlock]

time to cry

[naive badge]

no wonder nobody wants to play this ass class

[tacit hemlock]

been trying to sell gear for days, only got 2 dms

why do we do this to ourselves 😭

[viral nacelle]

WTS EU

[uneven rain]

@naive badge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4_0-M1rycY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l55eiC3nuBY

they just made videos showcasing the visual differences between purple and leggy 4 and V

helix looks

slightly nicer

[naive badge]

i kinda see a shockwave

but he has lower graphics

[uneven rain]

high graphics purple helix looks basically the same as lower graphic leggy helix yeah

[naive badge]

even worse

[uneven rain]

ground sfx just has like

an extra layer of like the light blue colours

that's basically it

[naive badge]

i think he is missing monster effect quality

cuz that should effect helix

like it used to do in live

[uneven rain]

it's everything tbh

it does affect helix

but not as muchas it did on live

it's very slight

it mainly adds like this cloudy trail on the dragons

[naive badge]

this is how it looks for me

[uneven rain]

all leggy helix rlly does is add that light blue sfx at the base

at least for their settings

maybe at higher settings it adds more

would be better if dragoncall/helix had that colour scheme from the start

[shrewd ledge]

wheres my ice videos

racist bunny

[uneven rain]

yeah?

and?

fck ice

to be fair tho

the only reason i hate ice so much

is the dragoncall sfx

that's literally it

if it had old sfx

i wouldn't hate it so much

still would play shadow tho

[shrewd ledge]

it's better than the current live ones tho

[uneven rain]

true

[naive badge]

this is purple v

also hard to see any difference

maybe legy looks cleaner idk

[uneven rain]

visually i think V is the same

[naive badge]

i see some circles with the legy one

[shrewd ledge]

they are just too lazy to make new effects

case closed

[uneven rain]

getting purple helix surprised the hell out of me tho

that extra sound fx surprised me

[naive badge]

legy has dif sounds aswell

[shrewd ledge]

give me crystal purple dragoncall

[naive badge]

atleast some

v doesnt i think

[uneven rain]

you'll get nothing and like it

sit down and eat your leech cdr

[shrewd ledge]

im munching

[naive badge]

this guys v hits for 55k

dayum

hexstorm soon usefull

[uneven rain]

yeah cuz 48gm

the higher multiplier on leggy v is also pretty nice

2.25x higher

[naive badge]

15 still small

should have been 30

and reduce leech each tick by 0,5s

ty

[uneven rain]

fr

[naive badge]

and reduce gcd and animation back to 0,3s like on live

[uneven rain]

ye sounds more like a drum

purple is more high pitched

[grim relic]

Selling the following books : Eu Moonwater

[tacit hemlock]

i will do a generous offer of 999 divine for the helix additional dmg

its generous because its a trash book 😄

[tacit hemlock]

not even 10 WLs showed up at worldboss...

[tribal python]

Great name

[tacit hemlock]

ork ork ork soep eet je met een .... ?

[tribal python]

warlock

🤔

[spring comet]

you dont hate the 3 seconds of swirling before a damage number shows up lol

[misty copper]

Yep, the only thing I'm not ok with ice is when I have deal with alot of mobs, dc keep flying around so much the mob die before it land. 😂

[nimble karma]

WTS Purple Dragon Call EU slide into my dms

[naive badge]

https://tenor.com/view/hd-smirk-gif-7206957141966421326

[distant cedar]

It is summer, the good ones are on vacation 😉

[naive badge]

the good ones arent playing wl

[uneven rain]

*sane

[tacit hemlock]

enjoy it man!!

[zinc arch]

finally top 10

[trail linden]

what changes are we getting to drop those?

was on holiday for a week so not sure what i miss

[shrewd ledge]

not now

silverfrost patch

[trail linden]

ah, i see, cheers

[neon spade]

@uneven rain buy for me bun pls

[shrewd ledge]

no me

[neon spade]

you're already no.1 dragoncall

[grim relic]

Selling the current books Moonwater Plains >_<

[toxic mortar]

WTB purple dragon helix NA

[uneven rain]

Tf you think I am? A whale?

[native timber]

[shrewd ledge]

bunny bought all my dcalls for me

[distant cedar]

rip

[naive badge]

reroll

[distant cedar]

[naive badge]

buy gold

[lofty onyx]

damn legi fuse gz

[distant cedar]

not a whale D:

[whole breach]

Fine I buy it eu?

[naive badge]

ayo

his book has my name on it

[whole breach]

It’s a book u might be right

[fringe kestrel]

WTB NA: Bombardment: Cooldown Reduction DM me 😄

[distant cedar]

might wanna wait for reroll until we get legy 4

anyone know when that will be? xD

[fringe kestrel]

should happen with silverfrost i believe

[lofty onyx]

I would wait

[toxic mortar]

WTB NA Purple Dragon Helix

[spring comet]

WTB NA Purple DCall + Bombard CDR. 15k ea.

[lofty onyx]

who is selling the true legi wl neck on eu? pm me pls 😎

[naive badge]

that ones has a unlucky cdmg roll

[lofty onyx]

yes

[glad crypt]

Wtb purple bombardment cdr (NA)

[grim relic]

WTS the following books and items

Quell : Hp Recovery 1.1k
Bombardment : Focus Reduction [??]
Dimensional Volley : Spectral Orb [??]
Dragon Helix : Add Dmg : [??]

Tempest Lord Belt
77 Acu
170 Piercing
&
Hexwood neck
100 acc
267 def

[glad crypt]

wtb purple bombards and dcalls. NA

c:

[storm oasis]

WTS Purple Dragon Helix EU

[grim relic]

WTB Purple Bombardment Cooldown EU pm me

[tacit hemlock]

price?

[storm oasis]

14k

[lofty onyx]

WTB Dragoncall EU

[whole breach]

For u 25k each

[lofty onyx]

:(

[whole breach]

Want 30k instead ?

[lofty onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/take-my-money-heres-my-card-here’s-my-card-card-take-my-card-gif-5650338825958178904

[grim relic]

WTB heroic Bomb cool down reduction pm me

[misty copper]

Did they ninja nerf something? I feel like my dps droped for some reason...

[storm oasis]

pretty sure it can't get any lower

[tacit hemlock]

literally this, how many WLs can actually do the dps req for exile in here? im thinking maximum 10?

[tacit hemlock]

you have 20% chance of doing more dps even the dps is rng at ncsoft games

Jokes aside, lower your graphics a bit, in particular shadows and other people effects and you will likely see a dps increase

[naive badge]

i dont even have dps req for poh

wdym 10

[uneven rain]

What even is dps req for tree I forgor

[tacit hemlock]

imagine needing 3 legendaries for poh 😭

[naive badge]

3,5

[naive badge]

rmb doesnt do dmg legy rmb is useless

[tacit hemlock]

somewhere around 20k dps on it if i recall correctly

[naive badge]

as of right now

[uneven rain]

3.5mill that's crazy

[naive badge]

3,5k per person

[uneven rain]

I hit that on tree

[naive badge]

yeah same

around 22k

[whole breach]

Geus if he hits 22k I must be healing the boss

[naive badge]

todays wb will be interesting

for every class

[storm oasis]

yeah super interesting for warlock

all 10 warlocks competing for the top 10 spots

who will prevail

[naive badge]

do we have 10 warlocks though

[storm oasis]

if we setup a group chat and agree to all come online at once we might hit 10

speaking of warlocks

WTS Purple Dragon Helix EU

[uneven rain]

who's the little fcker that did this

i just wanna talk

[distant cedar]

2min eu wb wtf

[fallow panther]

Wait why is the list so different to mine xD?

[pseudo ferry]

Copium game ngl

A KFM in our clan got rank 9 and got the 3 boxes instead of the prime box cause of missinformation in this

[distant cedar]

because we all 3 did kinda similiar damage? xD

[tribal python]

I like how all of you got 4th place

[distant cedar]

even better no one got the same place twice xD

[fallow panther]

And its just us 3 the rest is the same xD

[naive badge]

look at that

cinderland wl below moonwater

🥹

[distant cedar]

blame nc for not giving me the correct legy out of my book D:

[grim relic]

Anyone selling this book? drop me a pm. ASAP EU : Cinderlands

[shrewd ledge]

WTS NA

[spring comet]

WTB Purple Dragoncall and Bombardment CDR. 15k Ea.

[naive badge]

WTB 1x

[glad crypt]

wtb purple bombards and dcalls. NA

[dim nymph]

wts EU pm offers

[spring comet]

WTB Purple Dragoncall and Bombardment CDR. 15k Ea.

[still willow]

got this one, thats trash skill?

[uneven rain]

yes

[torn quarry]

whoever is selling true collosal neck could msg me!!

[neon spade]

wats 1ap approx equal to in crit? tryna decide on skyhaven resistance ap set or blackram supply chain 🤔

[tribal python]

Think skyhaven is better

The answer on your 1st question depends on the boss level

[neon spade]

yeah im thinking skyhaven?

9ap vs 244 crit

[tribal python]

Isnt it crit and crit dmg

[neon spade]

ya 244 total crit haha

[dim nymph]

price check EU and WTS it pmo

[naive badge]

ew shadow

[spring comet]

WTB Purple Dragoncall and Bombardment CDR. 15k Ea, NA.

[sleek star]

Hello, excuse me. I dropped purple helix from lvl50 reward, I am an Ice WL. Is it worth rerolling to Shadow WL or should I die on my hill and keep building Ice WL? I am not sure which one will be stronger on the long run, and I want to be sure I am not gonna regret it when I change from blue to purple books.

[dim nymph]

pve wise ice wl, if u have intent on doing pvp its shadow

[sleek star]

Oh, then I might stay on ice since I am pve only. Thanks for answering!

[uneven rain]

You should play for fun, not meta

[sleek star]

I agree! I like to do numbers though

[tribal python]

Are you still at a point where you have 0 purple books 🤔

May make sense to temporarily swap specs

[naive badge]

play whats fun

[sleek star]

Yes, it's a small alt that recently reached 700ap, atm she doesn't have a leg to stand on herself

[naive badge]

shadow will pull ahead endgame

[tribal python]

Imo low gear ice isnt fun

[naive badge]

if you play whats stronger u will lose interest

[tribal python]

Super clunky

[sleek star]

I like boom boom kaboom, thats what's funny to me XD

From what I understand Ice is very dependent on purple books

[tribal python]

100%

[sleek star]

but strong when you have it

[naive badge]

midgear wl which we all are right now since we do not have legy v/4/silverfrost bade/gm stacks ice is stronger

high end gear shadow pulls ahead of ice

24% crate perma leech wont help on dragoncall

[sleek star]

I see, is it gonna be buffed on silverfrost patch?

I heard Shadow is weaker than Ice so it surprises me

[naive badge]

yes in our current patch it is

[tribal python]

24%?

[tribal python]

I think I misunderstood you

[tribal python]

What do you mean with this

Are you saying its not enough to make up for the difference?

[naive badge]

there was a guy here who pulled purple dragonhelix out of his lv 50 bound box

he asked if he should swap to shadow which i answered with he should play what ever he enjoys the most

and shadow going to pull ahead of ice

and yes the 24% c rate wont be enough to get above shadow

[spring comet]

ice is stronger, shadow more QoL

[tribal python]

Makes sense

[sleek star]

By QoL you mean f2p friendly?

[tribal python]

Did you actually open the right version of dragon helix btw

[naive badge]

i myself didnt really confirm it for myself

if ice is stronger

in our patch

[tribal python]

If only switching specs wasnt so insanely expensive

[spring comet]

Shadow lets you move and turret ice wl gameplay in neo is waay worse than live cause they removed all the life leech + tankiness

that being said, you take a massive dmg penalty playing shadow over ice

[naive badge]

with my current gear im doing about 75-85k/dps on wb

which is kinda sad if i compared it to other classes with similar or a bit higher gear

wish i would see some ice wl with my gear

to compare

[tribal python]

Ive been playing a bit on my friends ice wl

Comparing it to my alt fire kfm is... not fun

Every upgrade definetly does make ice feel nicer to play

But somehow I doubt the last one (moonwater to virtuous mystic badge) is going to make its dps skyrocket

[sleek star]

I think so

[shrewd ledge]

when can you show us tho

[tribal python]

Yeah youve got the right one

[naive badge]

why would i need to show

[sleek star]

That's what hurts

[tribal python]

Ive had the same happen twice actually

My main opened the wrong main skill (after 2 battlepass purples), my alt opened the wrong 2nd most expensive skill

Feels 😐

[naive badge]

for shadow yes

ice kinda too but not as much as on shadow

[sleek star]

Oof, the pain. Ncsoft should let us sell them or idk do something with them instead of building dust in the vault

feels like a waste

[tribal python]

I think you can salvage bound books in kr?

Dont quote me on that

[sleek star]

It's ok, if you can or not doesn't change the fact that we can't do it

[tribal python]

If they can it means we'll be able to do it in the near future

Because theyre a couple of patches ahead

[sleek star]

yeah, it's more of a question of when they will add those QoL

every patch seems worser than the one before it

[tribal python]

Disagree

There's been gradual improvement

Until this battlepass undid the feeling of improvement

[sleek star]

This patch seems like everything that's wrong for the game

[tribal python]

Yes

[cedar herald]

Care to share with the class?

[sleek star]

they add absolutely nothing than a dps check boss then pat themselves on the back

[naive badge]

whats there to share

[cedar herald]

a parse

[sleek star]

anyway, thanks for the tips! I decided I will use Shadow as of now since my WL has nothing to use rn, it's better than nothing even if Ice is stronger for now

[naive badge]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[sleek star]

if shadow gets stronger then that's one more skill less to get

[cedar herald]

interesting

[shrewd ledge]

i wanna learn and get stronger

[naive badge]

whats ur guys dps anyway

on ice

[shrewd ledge]

i did 50k once, my highest so far

[naive badge]

maybe im talking bs and only parse for 40k

[tribal python]

Parses should last longer than 15 seconds smh

[naive badge]

yeah if it was 15 seconds then it would be 200k+

awk rmb does atleast some kind of dmg unlike the normal version

@shrewd ledge i can send you a wb dps meter

from 4 or 5 days ago

dont have a recent one

[distant cedar]

35k +/-5 on bsh, 22-26k on tree and 35-40k on wb

[naive badge]

on eu i can calculate yours 😂

i kinda meant the 2 from na

[sick nebula]

So you are saying you do 40% more dps than anybody here and wont show a parse?

A wb chart isnt the same

[tacit vector]

why not

[whole breach]

[lofty onyx]

U sure about that dps?

[storm oasis]

I don’t doubt it

At least on the first boss after merge, his % was higher than gnanaya

I remember calculating that Gnanaya was around 80k on that boss, from the bm list

[spring comet]

the top geared fms and bms are doing 85-90k… wl doesnt even have half our kit so its a bit unrealistic

[storm oasis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1359479463410274324/1403106173724524685/Nayttokuva_2025-08-07_220231.png?ex=6899a3b4&is=68985234&hm=ab45c152b4ca387b8d38726e1062b3425b93f5de539ec367ef94ead9d6bbd0ba&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1359479463410274324/1403106237373092002/image.png?ex=6899a3c3&is=68985243&hm=66aac29dfbbdd7df375eceda6f5e1f833e55aa413ddbe8c2c7400ce9bc63a2eb&

[topaz kite]

Imagine being so afraid to show a single parse but still be flexing dps

[naive badge]

where did i flex

i told a guy he should play whatever he enjoys more since he pulled a helix out of his lv 50 box

and shadow being pulling ahead of ice in silverfrost

[torn quarry]

WTS Soul Flare

[topaz kite]

All I see is big numbers backed out by words only, all you need to do is send some WB video/dps chart but you’re still refusing while spewing I’m doing idk what dps

What would you lose sending a video of your gameplay, tell us

« I do 80k but can’t show how »

[spring comet]

i mean, if both of those are from the same boss, it would validate his point

at that point the question becomes how long do their world bosses live before dying

HR bosses are living until about 1:50-2:00 after the merge, basically dies right as second SB ends + a little bit of time depending on the boss

[distant cedar]

the thing is not how much he does, it is more about how he is doing that much

[spring comet]

well... we dont ask those questions, for reasons ecksdee

[sick nebula]

No we do

[spring comet]

i'd settle for cast counts, instead of raw damage numbers if he wants to hide that info

i dont think i've ever even seen his gear, if hes at like 6 legendaries theres no contest

[naive badge]

i am pretty geared

any other class would do 100k+ easily though with my gear except maybe sum

[naive badge]

what would i gain

[spring comet]

i mean, i too am pretty geared outside of the books

but its primarily because on paper shadow shouldn't even be a contest, but this is using outdated live release knowledge, so maybe they changed something and i'm missing it

[naive badge]

says who

who says shadows is weaker

i didnt see anyone test it 🤔

[spring comet]

brother you're the one testing it for us but theres no data coming out of the test bench LOL

[topaz kite]

Showing everyone the dps you’re proudly talking about, so weird you always refuse something to hide ?

[spring comet]

but if you think about it, we did not get the soul badge from live, for the super happy fun shadow machinegun uptime during leech

so for every helix you have to auto 3x outside of sb

[naive badge]

i dont have double gear

i cant swap to ice to test would cost me to much

i have more books ready for future 4 and v

but not for ice