Warlock

[uneven rain]

3rd rmb

[trail linden]

ah

[uneven rain]

it won't show when you look at volley

[trail linden]

otay, me bit slow

[uneven rain]

they're all important

no

that's why it's last

you want to take mantra

you need that extra focus

[shrewd ledge]

aaaa wtb dragoncallllllllllll

[shrewd ledge]

im pretty sure we can have 100% quick dragoncall uptime with full purple

[ornate egret]

im having focus issues with shadow spec :/

probably not playing it right

[shrewd ledge]

then u should try my meme build

[severe silo]

guys what stats should I have on my weapon

[fast basalt]

yo there is a Legendary Earrings on NA that has 100++ crit damage for 2k
what a steal

[timid arch]

WTS NA PM OFFER

[novel scroll]

Souler flare

[wind niche]

do u have the link to the doc?

thank you

[uneven rain]

it's also pinned

[wind niche]

what's the best soul core for wl?

[hollow vale]

WTS NA

[ornate egret]

@uneven rain does this mean to stack 3 purples? for this skill

[uneven rain]

no

that's just the keybind

[ornate egret]

gotcha gotcha ty

[misty copper]

my faction quest at mistyforest are not come up, what are the pre requisite? i forgot...

[uncut ravine]

🙏 ty for the guide

also i think you have to do all the faction quests before that? to unlock misty ones

[misty copper]

got it thank!

[shrewd ledge]

my name

[shadow void]

someone can share build shadow ?

[ornate egret]

i think ill have to swith to dragon call shadow super hard to sustain focus

[uneven rain]

that's normal with shadow

especially right now

[ornate egret]

why right now o:

[uneven rain]

no books

shadow desperately needs purple books

more than frost

[ornate egret]

i have all the purples except for soul burn

[uneven rain]

you have mantra too

[ornate egret]

from the guide u posted

focus mantra seems like a bandaid on the problem

using mantra off cd using leech after SB like dont matter u run out

[uneven rain]

mantra is required on shadow

[sterile loom]

Who got the blue build only

[uneven rain]

like im not even joking

you can kinda get away with not using it on frost but you can't on shadow

[ornate egret]

nono like i believe you

but that is a problem is what im saying if i do ice i can actually get like crit mantras or something

and do more dmg

[uneven rain]

no

im talking about mantra

as in

lmb book

not mantra stones

[ornate egret]

yea im using that off cd

[shrewd ledge]

that why my build is better

[uneven rain]

go back to spamming wtb dc

[shrewd ledge]

@ornate egrettry it and remove rupture

[uneven rain]

tbh

i think if you use that

you'd use frost rupture with it

for the focus recovery

but can't use frost rupture with cd reduction volley cuz you won't generate enough orbs

[shrewd ledge]

no just remove repture you are fine

[uneven rain]

only other fix is focus recovery mantra stones and maybe level has an impact

[shrewd ledge]

1 more helix stacks

TRUST ME

[uneven rain]

[shrewd ledge]

it shouldnt be a meme build anymore

cuz my friend tested it

it's good

[uneven rain]

i don't doubt it

my question is just how does it compare to the normal build

in terms of dps not just helix/s

[shrewd ledge]

he compared with blue normal rmb and purple shadow rupture

my build is much higher

and hes full purple except for 3 and mortal coil

[uneven rain]

mortal coil is 3

[shrewd ledge]

fk me

c

and 3

[uneven rain]

how much higher was it btw

just curious

[distant cedar]

https://discord.com/channels/1164688788086345830/1387418552004382740 there is no normal build rn because the skill is bugged anyways xD

[uneven rain]

ye i saw that

[shrewd ledge]

he didnt say but his word was a lot lower

but maybe because of the bug?

dont know

[uneven rain]

i mean

if it doesn't even reduce hex storm cd and/or give the 1 orb then yeah it's basically not even having a book for rmb

the hex storm cdr is the main reason you take it

[shrewd ledge]

blue books have the same bug too?

[uneven rain]

maybe

[ornate egret]

im so confused o:

[uneven rain]

ask your friend

see if it even reduces hex storm cd

[shrewd ledge]

but u know what

even it does reduce hex storm cd

that skill costs 2 focus

which makes the focus issue bigger

[uneven rain]

ya which is why mantra is required and possibly a few focus recovery mantra stones

[distant cedar]

yeah but it gives you more hits which means more chance to proc mantra with focus regen

[shrewd ledge]

does it tho

normal rmb only generates orbs during siphon

and in that case

you can use the other mystic badge

for hex storm cdr

[uneven rain]

absolutely not lmao

leech cdr too worth it

[shrewd ledge]

for shadow no

[uneven rain]

yea for shadow

[shrewd ledge]

shadow doesnt rely on leech back in live

[uneven rain]

since shadow has less leech cdr than frost

[tranquil hornet]

Sure

[shrewd ledge]

but u generates orbs with or without leech

so why bother

[distant cedar]

damage buff

• focus recovery

AND insta cast wingstorm

[shrewd ledge]

but you dont have to focus on its uptime right?

its not ur not using it

[uneven rain]

you do

[shrewd ledge]

i mean we will see after the bug is fixed

[uneven rain]

not tryna to like say that your build is bad

i know it's a good build

im simply wondering what's the comparison

[shrewd ledge]

same

but theres a bug there

so we don't know

[tranquil hornet]

a bug?

[uneven rain]

also based on the new stuff wl got with silverfrost

right tree seems like it slowly loses value

imo

[shrewd ledge]

what changes

[uneven rain]

new mystic badge and legendary helix

[shrewd ledge]

i didnt track that

oh

lemme read

[uneven rain]

the new mystic badge combines all 3 current ones into 1 badge

and the duration of the focus one and leech cdr are increased from 8s > 12s

[shrewd ledge]

oh make sense

the legendary helix looks so op

[uneven rain]

it rlly is lmao

shadow got the better end of the stick in terms of like

upgrade from purple

imo

[shrewd ledge]

and legendary rmb combines 2 too

bruh, the ice difference is only 10% cr to 20%, lame

[uneven rain]

yay....

anyways

ye silverfrost mystic badge alone makes right rmb worse imo

and it lets frost drop mantra entirely

[shrewd ledge]

that is true

but there are 2 months

[uneven rain]

i just wish the soul badge buffed rmb too

[shrewd ledge]

it buffs lmb now? from what i read

[uneven rain]

nah it's rupture and 4

[shrewd ledge]

oh it's rupture ok

i saw "burst" from translation haha

[uneven rain]

oh hhehehehe

the icon design for the new soul cores

looks so cool

[shrewd ledge]

yup

[winged heron]

guuys is there any website that shows all the skill book/ skill tree for warlock .

[distant cedar]

https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="TraitView"&p="NEOEU250625"&class="Warlock"&spec=0&itemCategory="Glove"&neoSkills="H4sIAHTuXGgAA2vaEpyak5pckpoSnJ2Zk5OUn5_tmVJ8h0GoaZFnylkWo9XOGYl56ameeSmpFQyNYDE2sBTzJxQpiNhbTDEWdSxGKEMoAYgKESwquCEG_sVioDYWMQssRkhCpJywSPlCKFsIxQtR6IGicCM4PHwTi0tSiyqDSxJLUhu3oQiBgy0zP6-4AQDBkro_RAEAAA"

[valid tendon]

Window Key+Shift+S

[quick magnet]

print screen XD

WTS NA and WTB dragon call

[winged heron]

hex storm is any good ? has same description as wingstorm deep wound buut damage is less , why would anyone take it.. sorry m newbie

[uneven rain]

it's for shadow build

[winged heron]

we can mix both ?

[uneven rain]

you can but you're gonna do less dmg

[winged heron]

i see ty

[uneven rain]

read pins for a full guide

[winged heron]

any of you have build shadow build?

ok ty

[quick magnet]

wish me luck

[shrewd ledge]

@quick magnetget me a dragoncall

even a blue one

[quick magnet]

ill try

[shrewd ledge]

8 pvp dragoncall and seems only 1 pve in NA

they changed the possibility!

[winged heron]

so cant ruun shadow build as a newbie correct? currently m lvl 17

[uneven rain]

helix and volley start at blue book so yes

[winged heron]

😦 and those are the main hard hitting skills according to the pinned post

back in the day , when you enter the cave talked to masters you were able to change skill set and select frost or shadow

[uneven rain]

that's still a thing in live

[winged heron]

this skillbook thing is a weird addon

[uneven rain]

neo is a separate game

[winged heron]

oh they are juust experimenting here?

[uneven rain]

no

they full on committing

both live and neo are up and running

and their own thing

[winged heron]

people like this :P? unnecessarily complicate stuff

[uneven rain]

[winged heron]

ok

[uneven rain]

"it's not live"

that's what some ppl say

we're not happy with it

everyone has issues with neo

and we voice them constantly

[winged heron]

and getting blue skill book is kinda gacha , correct?

[uneven rain]

but nca can't rlly do anything about it since they're not the real ones in charge

it's nckr

[uneven rain]

blue and above is all rng

unless you get your hands on a selection chest which aren't easy to come by

[winged heron]

i see i see

[uneven rain]

pretty much reserved for events

[winged heron]

and m f2p , so even worst for me

[uneven rain]

yup

[winged heron]

well, i'll enjoy as long as it last

[uneven rain]

wl is the worst class to play as a f2p

[winged heron]

the main skills are behind rng so i understand 😦

[uneven rain]

not rlly the rng

it's the fact that wl needs multiple purple books

instead of other classes that only want a few

wl needs like

6 or 7 or smthn

which is basically their entire kit

more or less

and getting that many purples as a f2p is uh

yeah

you see the problem

[winged heron]

T_T

[uneven rain]

but it's fine

we love wl

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[winged heron]

warlock was my fav class , besides gunner and i donnt think game will suurvive that long

barelty see anyone here on fresh start server

[uneven rain]

gun won't be for a looooong time

[uneven rain]

ye cuz there isn't anyone there

[winged heron]

yeah ,

[uneven rain]

like

no joke

not even exaggerating

there is like

nobody

everyone is on the normal servers

next class is spear, the icon got datamined a little while ago and they revealed a neo exclusive class on kr roadmap months ago

then after that it would be sf and then gun following live release

[winged heron]

so around december?

[uneven rain]

which would be ~3yrs if they take this long to release classes

[winged heron]

or next year

[uneven rain]

kr got wl 3 months ago

game has been out in kr for like

almost 9 months

and they just got silverfrost

like yesterday

[shrewd ledge]

maybe they release sf and gun together to save the game

[uneven rain]

and haven't said a word about spear

[shrewd ledge]

dont know if they are smart enough to do this

[uneven rain]

it's nc

does that answer your question?

[shrewd ledge]

[uneven rain]

i would love see spear tho

but honestly

they need to have like progression event to give a bunch of books for new class releases

could even have it be like

locked to that class

idgaf

but something

[quick magnet]

Wl have macro?

[hollow vale]

WTS NA (Heaven's Reach) pmo

[winged heron]

anyway to change server , fresh start is dead as hell 😦

deleting char takes 1 week it seems

[vast wraith]

took me 1 day

[rich inlet]

for helix, which rmb are you supposed to use? rupture or volley?

[upbeat fog]

any1 got a budget shadow yast laying around?

for alt

[rich inlet]

i honestly don't think shadow works at this time

the rotation makes no sense as we have no way to do siphon uptime

its why it seems everyone going dragoncall

[upbeat fog]

orly

not even at like purple level?

[rich inlet]

maybe i'm completely misunderstanding, but I am simply unsure how the rotation upkeeps itself

like yes you can keep hexstorm up

but thats only 1 helix every second

doesn't feel ike you're getting the counts you need

[upbeat fog]

what about badges n stuff

u got all that?

[rich inlet]

mystic badge lets you help reset hexstorm CD on 3 which is nice

but the leech badge seems useless, and iirc its the only way to get siphon?

and we need siphon to generate orbs outside of hexstorm

[upbeat fog]

I named my character hexed so I'm kinda committing to it

even if its trash

[rich inlet]

yea i think maybe i'm just misunderstanding it

but i played i think post awakening so i'm not used to these skills

[upbeat fog]

https://i.imgur.com/f1LHDue.png

maybe this guy knows

he seems committed

[light swallow]

Is that worth anything?

[rich inlet]

jesus

yea ask him and report back please 🙂

oh yea @upbeat fog okay, so they do run leech cdr https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1yJaGg4C31Hd0DlEblrHb3pdEiM21fFFoN8appghDN0U/edit?slide=id.g3438cfa9091_0_292#slide=id.g3438cfa9091_0_292

is the guide

that makes more sense to me to have max leech uptime

[upbeat fog]

owie I guess that one will be expensive 😂

[eager shard]

any macro for shadow warlock?

[distant cedar]

nope

[rich inlet]

i'm still testing, but probably something like 4F4T4V. There's some issues.

• Shared GCD (about 0.5s?) between 4 T F
• Potential for T to be spammed vs 4 which is not what you want, hence more 4's in macro
• Long macro, prone to mispresses
• Doesn't R (mantra), need manual mantra
• Doesn't do your rotation (duh). You need to soulburn, 2FV, and 3 on your own time (a good thing cause the macro will mess it up)

I recommend a shorter macro like 44FT, and manual V

also you do not F during soulburn as T gives full 3 orbs, so you would need a separate soulburn macro of 4T (or 44T)

[rich inlet]

It's not bad esp if you're tanking, but it is very low priority so maybe slightly above min purple

Since sb is personal now, are people waiting until thrall is almost gone to sb?

[distant cedar]

nah you want as many sb as possible during the fight

thrall does not enough damage to compensate that

[rich inlet]

U do lose some downtime of the thrall atk buff tho

Or is that buff too small to matter

[distant cedar]

the buff is the better the more ap you got because it is a % of it but on the other side when you have "endgame gear" you wanna stack GM so it is not worth it

[tranquil hornet]

ayo, was the 50k Dragoncall purchased on Moonwater?

[verbal solstice]

What purple skill books do we stack on shadow wl?

[rich inlet]

stack? helix, though take a look at your damage distribution, it might be worth stacking volley too

did they nerf helix aoe?

i swear it was bigger before

[misty copper]

I think the same, but not sure...

[prime shale]

Latest KR patch (25.06), Skill Grandmaster added additional effects for Purple (18 + 30) and Legendary (48) Dragon Call and Dragon Helix.

[distant cedar]

so with new badge where you have 100%? leech uptime shadow got the upper hand i guess

[rich inlet]

theres a new badge?

also how necesary is the virtuous vs mystic leech badge?

[prime shale]

Newest one (KR 25.06) is all 3 badges combined. Still effect last 12 sec compared to virtuous badge (8 sec).

[craggy carbon]

i see your macro only have 1 T, you just repeat the macro until it's hit all 3 T for the orb ?

[misty copper]

mine just spam t and 4

[craggy carbon]

i use ttt4f for non soulburn and t4f for soul burn

but idk if it's any good tho

[misty copper]

i'm play with 170 ping so the timing is not accurate at all, so i just set it to spam t and 4 then i manual the rest.

[craggy carbon]

hahaha me too, 150ms gang

but i realize t4f cast t a bit slower than ttt4f

[bleak osprey]

does anyone know if wl's effects are bugged atm? or are some skills just straight up not supposed to have animations anymore (bombardment)

[tranquil hornet]

WTS EU

[distant cedar]

can only speak for shadow, there are no animation bugs "only" skill bugs

[tranquil hornet]

crazy

[quick magnet]

any marco for dragon call?

[pure wagon]

WTS NA

[lofty onyx]

WTS EU

[weak oasis]

u guys able to keep up with wl? i fee like im sooo behind wiht all those events and being forced to lvl up from scratch

[rich inlet]

ofc not i expect to be useless for a month

if u really wanna keep up then keep grinding main and saving gems until a month or two down the road when WL skills settle down

i'm looking at dragoncall and its kinda disgusting how much they pack into it

leech CDR and +crit rate

meanwhile hex gets uhhhh nothing

[rich inlet]

oh yea I spam macro instead of let it run

[weak oasis]

dang and i got hex skills volley

also got sb

[rich inlet]

well i think you can in general get more helix than dcall

but i'm not sure if you can get 50-100% more helixes

cause if you don't then dcall wins out in raw damage

[weak oasis]

and some crack accs so im trying it but might sell it all at the end

hmm well depends on how helix prices are

since i come from destro and its ass how its just execute

and mighty cleave gets nothing not even a soul badge

any idea in how much sould burns go for?

[rich inlet]

purple sb? should be a lot, but ask in market

[craggy carbon]

sb mostly for awaken skill, green is usable

[weak oasis]

yeah but i have not seen a purple sb in market in the time i have been online

[craggy carbon]

blue just wait a month or two it will drop to 200 like sin/kfm fs, purple probably 20k ish

[weak oasis]

i do have purple sb so u mean its better to have blue?

[heady lynx]

wait isnt the leech mystic badge on shadow bad? was thinking the rb would lower leech cd but it doesnt?

[abstract forge]

WTS NA Heaven's Reach PMO

[weak oasis]

well i just check and blue its not woth that much since purple gives 20% c rate and 50% crit dmg extra soo till most ppl get it i wont go down like destro fury still selling for over 15k

[heady lynx]

oh, its translated wrong, but the badge only gives the buff that reduces cd on the first hit... so my moonwater mystic is pretty much already running out if i full cast it

[weak oasis]

so thise one its better for shadow?

[heady lynx]

id assume you still want the leech one tbh

just want to cancel 3 asap so you can actually use the effect

[weak oasis]

yeah seems bout right

still have not tested the rotation

soo soul thing goes onlu after 3 its done? wierd should be on hit

des execute trigger the badge on every hit

[heady lynx]

the badge activates on the very first hit of it

but each consecutive hit the timer is still going

[weak oasis]

ohh that not good

well good to know

opened like 24 mystric boxes and got 2 of the same one on viruos

gonna have to buy it

[heady lynx]

oh i guess at blue and up its probably still better to do all hits, since last hit gives 6s of leech cd

[weak oasis]

yeah

also wich mantra its the good mantra? got purple hp

but other cd its 12 sec

[stone inlet]

so im alittle confused, dimensional shot is that salvo or flare or something else?

on the soul/mystic badge

[weak oasis]

ahh i think its a miss translation

[stone inlet]

yea but which one is it. So i know im getting the right badge

[cedar herald]

I think all the mystic badges are the same ability

dimensional shot is bombardment

dimensional flare is the AOE bombardment

[tranquil hornet]

Is our additional damage bonus incorrect? Because we don't get any accuracy/block, or am I mistaken? @lofty minnow

[paper light]

Eh idk tbh xD

[tranquil hornet]

also

[rich inlet]

oh KR, is shadow even remotely competitive with dcall?

[late falcon]

huh, shadow RMB onlz generate orb during leech?

[rich inlet]

it also generates one outside leech, but only on third hit. it also activate rupture on third hit which is another orb

[misty copper]

yes, that's why you will need rupture when leech is on cd.

[stone inlet]

ok so i got a dimensional Volley soulbadge \o/

hope they fix their translation misses soon

[rich inlet]

not great, i think thats only for the middle volley

[stone inlet]

really?

[ornate kraken]

is there a guide on warlock yet?

[stone inlet]

ok so I got Flare, Volley AND Shot, so if im using dimensional volley according to the shadow build, which one do i use?

[misty copper]

its better than helix until you can get purple helix.

[stone inlet]

look at the pins

[stone inlet]

I have purple helix

[ornate kraken]

I'm a noob at discord where is pins

[stone inlet]

This ^

[ornate kraken]

oh appreciate it thanks

[late falcon]

are there free purple selectors or something, how tf people got their main skills so fast

[rich inlet]

some people saved rng purple boxes

[stone inlet]

@misty copper I just hate not knowing which one is wich T.T

[rich inlet]

and there will be one if you hit lvl 30 battle pass premium

[stone inlet]

wtf it replied to the wrong person

[late falcon]

thats still 10 most useless skills xD rigged %

[stone inlet]

I just got lucky on the 4 random purple boxes i had

[misty copper]

some of us stocking purple random box from previous event, around 4 i think, and alot of luck.

[stone inlet]

@misty copper soo yea, which one would I use then? for dimensional volley on the right side?

[rich inlet]

its an "event", you get one per account

and sent in maintenance after the bpass ends

[late falcon]

when do we get awakened RMBs<

[rich inlet]

when you're soulburn

[stone inlet]

^

[late falcon]

ook error sec

[stone inlet]

guess im just not gonna use a soulbadge for now then xD

[stone inlet]

since i cant figure out which one i need can use sigh

[late falcon]

so where is the awakened bombard

on the screen

[stone inlet]

same slot as the non awakened one

[late falcon]

broo look at the screenshot xD

[ornate kraken]

so which build is more spam or does dmg

dragoncall feels so clucnky

clunky*

[stone inlet]

shadow is less casting, and more spammy

atleast how it feels

[rich inlet]

on live, shadow was better on low ping but i have no idea now

[late falcon]

you need like 5-6 purples for build to feel "okeish"

[rich inlet]

it seems majority of players are going for dcall

[ornate kraken]

why dcall;?

[rich inlet]

whether for easy playing, higher damage, or just looks cooler

[ornate kraken]

isn't it so slow

watching all the animations?

[rich inlet]

idk man

[misty copper]

i think it will show up when there's a target, not sure, alot of wl skill is bugged currently and show the wrong one.

[stone inlet]

I have high ping, like 100-180, and im doing helix because i got that book from the purple box, but it feels decent so far tho

[ornate kraken]

helix still use soulburn?

and thrall?

[misty copper]

ok, i test it, you need a target for it to show up.

[stone inlet]

according to the build Bunny has pinned its there in the rotation, and thrall is only in the opener

[ornate kraken]

I wish there was gameplay of both builds

[late falcon]

there were some videos from KR

[misty copper]

Behold!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taeTcLtog2A&ab_channel=파르도

[ornate kraken]

what buildi s that

oh helix

[stone inlet]

yea thats helix

[ornate kraken]

any video of the other build?

[late falcon]

noop

[misty copper]

I can't find the dragon call one, its some where in this chat.

[misty copper]

might be a bug, mine working find.

[late falcon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n60rzEGnDuQ

[rich inlet]

both dcall and helix are literally identical

you just pick like, the left or right of 5 different skills

but other than that its essentially exactly the same rotation

[jolly skiff]

Which is more purple book reliant?

[weak oasis]

both

u need like 9 different purples for both

[lime wave]

price check EU?

[distant cedar]

5k?

[shrewd ledge]

wtb dragoncall na

[ornate egret]

NA going for 30k

[ornate kraken]

the blue skills are so expensive lmao

[ornate egret]

i really need to find a way to sustain my focus on Shadow this is depressing

i have got the best result with the badge that reduces CD on V but still run out

[distant cedar]

if you found a way other then stacking purple mantra with focus on all gear tell me pls xD

[shrewd ledge]

i know why we need soul shackle for ice

cuz when leech ready, soul shackle is not

[naive badge]

what about never use soulshackle without leech being up?

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[shrewd ledge]

thats what im talking about

dude

on what earth u think im using soul shackle off cd

[naive badge]

and the msg after

[shrewd ledge]

noob

[naive badge]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-gif-25235861

[dim nymph]

so what path outputs most dps for wl?

[dense gull]

can any1 help explain the play style different between Ice and shadow ? The only thing I can find is that Ice is better for PvE and Shadow is PvP but that doesn't really say much ;S

[acoustic knoll]

gamers from 0-10 how ass is this book

[uneven rain]

delete life bad

only 3 legendary books and you got the worst one

[acoustic knoll]

disaster

[uneven rain]

the one that shouldn't have existed in the first place

[acoustic knoll]

ok there is still another 2/3 chance

to salvage

and get 3/4/5

thx

[shrewd ledge]

it only messes up ur chance to get good stuff

[acoustic knoll]

its ok, got another chance in me

[uneven rain]

[acoustic knoll]

hopefully i get the red rmb

[shrewd ledge]

@acoustic knollwhat u got

[acoustic knoll]

still collecting gold

ok im ready

here goes nothing

nice

got red rmb

[shrewd ledge]

nice

[sterile loom]

I hope this is what you needed

[acoustic knoll]

it was yeah

thanks for the assistance 🤝

[novel scroll]

Ice more pve friendly. More of a stainonary mortar type. Shadow pve usable but most more for pvp. More like a gatling on a electric scooter.

[dense gull]

I see , Thanks . So if i want to turret then I should go ice ;D

[novel scroll]

If you know mechs well and are confident with being planted in 1 spot more. Ice would be better. But if you wanna be able to move a bit more freely while dpsing then shadow is the way to go

[misty copper]

how much is the difference in term of dps between ice and shadow btw? hope its not worst than summoner. All ice user i met are under gear (all green) so i have no idea.

[dense gull]

I was saving a 3 purple random box from 7 day attendant. I got purple Imprison book from it. so I will prolly sticking to ice then ;D

[novel scroll]

Equally geared in all aspects. Same gm. Ap. Cr. Cdmg. It isnt the biggest. Its whoever plays better and gets hit less. Honestly play the one you like more. You aren't missing out on too much dps.

[misty copper]

ty, of course. just curious.

btw, my old habit of using chain [2] while leech is on cd is back lol.

Need to fix it asap

[solar summit]

salvage and try again :c

[solar summit]

profit

[shrewd ledge]

@uneven rain i think for ice we need rmb soul badge

[uneven rain]

for low books yeah rmb badge makes sense

[shrewd ledge]

im full purple

[uneven rain]

do you have equal rmb and dc stacks cuz last i saw your char you had like no dc stacking but you had rmb

[shrewd ledge]

i have 5 stacks on dc

but the thing that effects soul badge choice should be counts

althought i think my macro is not very good

it sometimes skip f

[uneven rain]

gotta just mess with your delay

but with full purple rmb badge would be close but im pretty sure it wouldn't be better than dc

[shrewd ledge]

right now my counts with shiit macro shows rmb badge is better

[uneven rain]

[misty copper]

just want to know, is there anyone here plan to use dg to push bp to lv30 before next maintenance?

[ornate kraken]

Which mystic badge for dragonhelix?

[misty copper]

one that reduce leech cooldown.

[ornate kraken]

none of it says leech lol

[shrewd ledge]

i will

[misty copper]

or siphon? not sure about the name

[ornate kraken]

this one?

[misty copper]

I think this is the one you need.

[misty copper]

how much it need to get it to 30? i think it cost 200 per level right?

[ocean atlas]

Anyone please help me to know about main skills for WL?

[late falcon]

I feel like shadow without purple is clunky AF, especially with CD rmb instead of 3 orbs. 5 chi for 1 orb and helix need to crit for 2nd one. I think guide should be updated for blue skills to have other rmb.

[misty copper]

shadow rmb mainly for cd reduction for hex wing, orb is the bonus.

except you;re using the right tree that give 3 orb on 3th hit.

[late falcon]

Bit without epic helix you can't sustain 3 orbs gain, might end up for 3 sec doing nothing..

[misty copper]

well... to get 3 orb back to back without legent you need purple helix at lease, its give back 2 orb on crit then you just have to get 1 more with rapture or rmb while siphon.

problem is, it need to crit,

[late falcon]

Yea that's what meant, so for blue skills it might be better to go for 3 orbs rmb

[last wigeon]

So guys

Which one it's better ? Dragon vs helix?

[late falcon]

Need some.whales to sent dps

[last wigeon]

Guys this mystic badge it's not working

[tacit hemlock]

i think you need to read the prerequisites

[last wigeon]

I read it.. after using leach and in sb I spam rmb and it's not giving cd on leach

[tacit hemlock]

ok so u didn't read it, you need to use imprison or mortal coil which is what you do AFTER your leech is used up usually

[last wigeon]

And that forgot to mention it

[distant cedar]

might send a clip? works fine for me

[last wigeon]

It works now, I didn't used the 3😑

[shrewd ledge]

lmao

THEY NEED TO CHANGE IMPRISON CD TO 24S

[late falcon]

They need to chamge badge trigger from.3 to 2...

Or even better leech self

[shrewd ledge]

agree

leech itself

or quick dc during sb

and i need 1 min sb not 1.5mins

[misty copper]

badge skill need to be the one that have the same cd all across all version and rank so its can't be [2]. they are also can't put it on leech since it have 45 cd its too long, badge skill of other classes have 30sec~ cd so it need to be similar. that's why they put it on [3]

[shrewd ledge]

just need to lower imprison cd for a little

[misty copper]

if they willing to do it, i;m all welcome.

[distant cedar]

other classes? lightning bd got like 6-8 sec cd on the badge

[misty copper]

holy hell, seriously?! SUM has it 36sec i was thought that normal

[distant cedar]

yeah seriously

lightning bd also only uses it half of the time because cant be refreshed during its uptime

[misty copper]

now i'm full support on this.

[distant cedar]

so suffering from success xD

[misty copper]

I buy purple salvo at 7k yesterday, now its 3k

PAIN

[swift hollow]

Prices will drop quickly in the beginning

So it helps to wait a bit

[shrewd ledge]

theres was guy wanting 60k for dragoncall

so greedy

[misty copper]

somehow purple salvo is cheaper than blue dragon call.🤦‍♂️

[shrewd ledge]

[swift hollow]

Greedy ice ppl

More demand

[shrewd ledge]

i bought a blue dc for 500 today

[misty copper]

Welp, at lease that one advantage to be helix user i guess.

[shrewd ledge]

but dc is more dps for sure

hr wb today

[misty copper]

Yesterday EU i saw blue dc at 4500 and purple salvo 3333. hope its better after i finished my work

[shrewd ledge]

snow moon is 30gm helix

and me

[misty copper]

nice

[tranquil hornet]

5 stacks dc f

[misty copper]

so helix DPS is lower than dc around 10-15%?

[distant cedar]

cant just say that from gm stacks alone, have to count in character level/ap/crit

and even block stat^^ xD

[misty copper]

oh right, i forgot

[shrewd ledge]

his stats are higher

[misty copper]

wait 30gm on helix alone?

[quick magnet]

what is the difference between dragon helix and additional damage?

[distant cedar]

dragon helix additional damage is for pvp

deals less base damage but more when target is cc

[shrewd ledge]

wait hes using the spectral orb one but it shows cdr here

[misty copper]

its bugged i think

[distant cedar]

https://discord.com/channels/1164688788086345830/1387418552004382740

[quick magnet]

this one right?

[shrewd ledge]

yea ik but the book hes using is not cdr

[distant cedar]

maybe the bug is also the other way around? xD

[misty copper]

yes, this one is for pvp, it increase damage on target that are ccing but lower base damage. not ideal for pve.

[quick magnet]

focus dragon call?

[misty copper]

I'm helix user, i'm not sure about DC...

[late falcon]

Add 2 sec by base cus 4 hit skill..

[misty copper]

I hope we get something good from lv50 box. May the RNGod be with us🙏

[quick magnet]

wl have macro?

im new play wl

[distant cedar]

as shadow i use 44ft and manage all other skills manually

[misty copper]

how do you handle soulburn rotation? did you set another one with no f ?

[distant cedar]

rupture is doing about ~~15% ~~of my damage as blue skill so i just keep using it
edit because rmb and f got the same wording i would guess it would be more like 8-10% but still something 🤷‍♂️

[tacit hemlock]

thats dirt cheap, tbh its hilarious how much cheaper WL books are than other classes, only SB and maindmg skill is more expensive temporarily

[misty copper]

Someone try to sell Dragon call for 50k I think. Still better than summoner at first week with 180k purple sunflower

[shrewd ledge]

totally scam

i bought mine 37k

[late falcon]

Eu yesterday was 99k

[shrewd ledge]

no one paying that

at least in na, maybe eu ppl rich

[finite junco]

Can someone pin a yast here too please
Or there is already one and I am just blind

[late falcon]

Aint paying 20k either

[shrewd ledge]

i will pay 20k for 1

[distant cedar]

hell nah, my guess would be not too long until all books drop below 10k

[misty copper]

What is the most expensive one on EU currently?

[distant cedar]

dragoncall

49k

8hr left so probably no one will buy it

helix 28k 1 hr left

[misty copper]

I'm assume its followed by dragon helix?

[distant cedar]

^^

next is sb or soul flare how it is called in neo for 13,5k but there are 2 books that battle each other down everytime one runs out soo dropping too kinda rapid

[misty copper]

I think I will wait soul burn/flare to reach 6-7k before i pick it up. might take a while...

[shrewd ledge]

man i cant find a good macro setting which can let every f go out

@uneven rain do u have a macro setting for ice

[uneven rain]

I don't even have full blue so any macro I have wouldn't work for you

I came back for wl after being gone for like almost 2 months so I have nothing prepared which is why I have no books

[shrewd ledge]

[uneven rain]

Just gotta mess with the delay a bit between the skill casts

[shrewd ledge]

@shy spoke come here

[shy spoke]

Nice

Here we can speak without that timer

So as i could see maybe on lower books for ice having a badge to lower the cd of siphon could be a nice thing i guess

[uneven rain]

Getting more crit rn won't rlly help you much because you don't even have purple dc. The extra cast on crit is only on purple dc

So you have like 0 dc cdr cuz of your books

[shy spoke]

Oh

I was trying to see why all dc book tier only increase dmg

[uneven rain]

Pretty much all of your dc cdr is rupture and wingstorm

[shrewd ledge]

high cr is a purple book thing

[shy spoke]

I was trying to find a dragon call that could reset with crit hit

[shrewd ledge]

cuz it triggers rupture and extra dc

[shy spoke]

Like on Live

[uneven rain]

And rupture is on a 6s CD with no way of reducing it

Since you only have green rmb

[still willow]

hey ppl, what better build i can get from this staff what i have, ice or shadow?

[uneven rain]

If you had blue rupture but green rmb that'd be a lot better

Cuz blue+ rupture is 3s cd

[shy spoke]

Nice

[uneven rain]

Tether blade is useless for either buuld

Same with sanctum

[shrewd ledge]

crit rmb will decrease 2s cd of rupture if u have the purple rupture

[uneven rain]

1s

It's 2s if you have both purple rmb and rupture

[shrewd ledge]

even blue rmb reduce 1s right?

[uneven rain]

Yeah

They have green

[shrewd ledge]

and crit rmb is on purple rupture

[shy spoke]

So priority is purple DC >purple Rupture> purple RMB and them everything else

[uneven rain]

[shrewd ledge]

maybe it's usable to replace the soul shackle book

[shy spoke]

K

[uneven rain]

Focus on blues tbh

Blue makes wl bearable at the very least

[shrewd ledge]

cuz without a book, soul shackle cd is too long for the 2nd leech

[uneven rain]

Purple is way too expensive rn

[uneven rain]

If you use tether for the brand might as well just use soul shackle

More dmg and you don't waste a cc to brand

[shrewd ledge]

yea but it can be a either or

just not the best option

[still willow]

i mean maybe better will be shadow, cause i got already purple rmb?

[shy spoke]

Today i will work on best purple books for ice cuz no purple till now

[uneven rain]

Pick the one you enjoy more

No point in forcing yourself to play a spec you don't enjoy as much just cuz of book rng

[still willow]

maybe the reason for the choice is that dragons seem slow or something. I use 2, then 4+V, give all RMBs and again 2+F+4+V....

mb some wrong with it

[uneven rain]

It's because of no books

Both specs are the same in that regard. If you don't have all of your core skills at purple book. The class feels like sh!t regardless

My response is still the same tho

Pick the one you enjoy more

Not the one you got book rnged on

[still willow]

okay tnx . by the way what better blue book better add (i have one select) for my blue DC? rcb (bomb cd r) or some another?

[uneven rain]

[paper light]

Bunny u know if warlock do ani cancel?

[wise goblet]

for green enjoyer should i stacking lot of bombardment or dragon call or both ?

[rich inlet]

it doesn't matter if you're green

i'm wondering if its worth switching to dcall if I have purple helix and purple rupture bound 😦

[rich inlet]

not without xml edits, the core skills have shared 0.5s gcd afaik

[cobalt thistle]

maybe u could try the funny meme build someone was posting.

[dire thicket]

its not a meme if its better

[rich inlet]

whats the meme? XD

[cobalt thistle]

#1357802877585854635 message

Can use ice rupture if u need focus

[rich inlet]

oh i see the build

i have F rupture orb unfort

so i have the opposite to try this build lol

i have no idea why both have the same name

[naive badge]

Want to buy 2 of those EU purple

[paper light]

What is xml?

And welp if it cant ani cancel is kinda a relief xD

So my ping dont bother the rotation a lot xD

[cunning marsh]

!WTB purple Imprison NA

[rich inlet]

it does matter unfortunately esp for helix

at least it did, back in live

even >20ms made the rotation worse, for some reason

[naive badge]

Shadow or ice?

[rich inlet]

why do our RMB cost 3 focus when yast says it should only cost 2?

[cobalt thistle]

Maybe refresh ur yast. Mine shows 3

[rich inlet]

ugh

wtb chi

[naive badge]

awk rmb is 2 rest is 3

[rich inlet]

ah maybe thats what i'm seeing, ty

[naive badge]

which is good otherwise u couldnt do rmb 4 rmb 4 spam during sb

for shadow atleast

[rich inlet]

yea, rmb 4 chi neutral is nice

is it possible to 100% leech even with full purples?

i don't think so right? so how do we keep up mana?

leech and then mantra, and then pray?

[naive badge]

not with shadow

for ice it is

[rich inlet]

ice can get 100% leech uptime? oh with purple dcall? i see

so why is shadow so gimped 😦

tell me it gets better lmao

[green dune]

Wts EU

[naive badge]

not 100% leech but 100% insta cast uptime

[naive badge]

it does later but now ice is way better

but play what u enjoy

im playing shadow because i like the visuals and playstyle more

wish they didnt helix visuals though

rest got better imo

[shy spoke]

Anyone notice helix and dcall animation also bombard is all black? Bugged colors and missing textures

Idk if it is on lower book tier or if its a bug

On cn server animations were colorful and alot better

[rich inlet]

YEA! hexstorm looks tight and so does rupture, but man is helix such a pos

cool spiraling blue dragons into tiny black thing u can't even see

[naive badge]

indeed

idk how the normal voley looks but the legendary looks insane too

[rich inlet]

orly?

[naive badge]

shadow rmb

[rich inlet]

its just a blue ball for me

[naive badge]

dimensional voley

[rich inlet]

yea, its just a ball

[green dune]

WTS EU

[shrewd ledge]

fixed my macro，but seems like rmb badge should still do more than dc badge by comparing counts*multiplier

however，the dps on dummy for 90 seconds are similar

[tranquil hornet]

Hey, how much?

[shrewd ledge]

@uneven rain

[naive badge]

weird

[undone drum]

is blue dragoncall good or is green fine for now? it's posted for 4k on the market atm

[twilit ocean]

boys, what actualy Brand do?

[undone drum]

It lets you use leech

[twilit ocean]

that's all? no dot or debuff effect ?

[naive badge]

blocks approach skills

extra dmg on some skills such as ice v

[topaz mesa]

So currently the forst and shadow builds for warlock both output the same amount of damage?

Do these just reflect your preffered play style?

[rich inlet]

Dcall should be a bit higher at similar gear

[topaz mesa]

So your not really trolling if you choose one over the other

has anyone been able to test warlock damage compared to everyone else?

[dire thicket]

very bad

[topaz mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-e-cat-meme-cat-face-gif-23642589

Surely its not bad enough it cant be carried by all the giga dps classes right

[naive badge]

its so bad that i had to befriend myself with valira 15 years ago for this moment

[topaz mesa]

Now what the hell

lmao

[rich inlet]

I feel like my dps is okay but it's really hard to tell as I have purple books but terrible gear

[abstract forge]

up

[rich inlet]

It's definitely a lot of work compared to other classes

And fairly immobile compared to fm.

AOE cc immunity is nice, it's self iframes are nice, but if you just care about dps just go fm

[undone drum]

I thought warlock had another movement on e before, like a forward dash

[rich inlet]

I seem to recall that too

[topaz mesa]

hm

I mean

IM warlock because unlike bummy ass fm the skill effects are pretty

and I want a summon without having to be a weird animal kid or something

Plus theres more to do than spamming dragon call

[rich inlet]

ice rain and char are pretty

Beam is not a real fm, it's a fake budget fm

[whole breach]

Does leech get reduced faster with a crit on rmb& 4?

[topaz mesa]

Noted

its ok the class is booboo ass right now but i have confidence it will get better

Glory comes to those who wait

[whole breach]

Trying to cope even if I play perfect I have 3 sec of down time off 3 and leech buff

[rich inlet]

Just lmb and cry, it's what I do

[late falcon]

Show my best macro was no delayz literally not single ms between skills

[rich inlet]

I do 4v 4f T

Too lazy to self v

[late falcon]

4v4f4t43vft34 are we runnin macro like a movie now? Imagine you need SS after 3 😁

[green dune]

wts EU

[rich inlet]

True, the og macro

[tribal python]

Good old 234rtfv macro

[whole breach]

U know the class is bad when u got leg rmb and feels bad to play

Maybe leg leech or something

Would make it full uptime

[weary horizon]

WTS EU

[distant cedar]

5k^^

[green dune]

wts eu

[naive badge]

legy rmb does not change ur rotation at all

it only adds the pvp version of its build and combines it with the pve version with a bit higher dmg modifier

thats ur legy rmb

[rich inlet]

leg rmb still feels bad? oof

[whole breach]

So tempting to salvage it for shadow one

Got a spare fragment atm

[rich inlet]

shadow one is pretty baller i think

crazy amount of orbs + cdr

i am not sure for shadow, if volley or helix soul badge is better

[naive badge]

volley is 10-15% of your dmg

helix 60 70

or actually u have to compare ur counts and multiple that with the badges

and see what gets u more %

[rich inlet]

yea, i'm looking at counts now

its 133 dimensional vs 110 helix

on a somewhat short fight

[distant cedar]

so 40% vs 75%, guess there is no debate then^^

[rich inlet]

yea

also i'd have more helix if i had the virt mystic badge and more uptime

[brittle sigil]

hey guys, im a new warlock player^^ and look for a guide or mabye a build so that i can learn warlock^^ anyone can help me?

[rich inlet]

check pins!

[elder spire]

whats deep wound?

[rich inlet]

i believe it either lowers or prevents healing

pretty much only useful as a pvp thing

[brittle sigil]

ah crasy! xD ty

[green dune]

wts EU

[elder spire]

i seem to have pulled duds aside from both purple leeches and i can pick 1 blue book

[rich inlet]

oo purple leech kinda a dud too

[elder spire]

[rich inlet]

trash purple as all it does is increase the damage D=

i mean you can use it ofc, its still an upgrade XD

be glad it lowers the # of required purples from like, 6 to 5 😄

[elder spire]

what blue should i pick to start?

[rich inlet]

you can check market board, but likely either dragoncall or helix, your choice

dragoncall seems to be more popular and more damage

but ymmv

[elder spire]

i got the purple dcall pvp version idk if thats fine

[rich inlet]

uh, check it but its still prob better or same as blue so yea, thats fine

other than that, u really need soulburn, mantra, rmb (bombard for dcall), imprison

and wingstorm

i'd check probably rmb, imprison, wingstorm as those are likely the priciest on AH and they have notable benefits at blue

[elder spire]

oh i have purple mantra

[rich inlet]

WHALE

wait mantra hp or mantra normal

[elder spire]

normal

[rich inlet]

WHALE

yea thats expensive AF

[elder spire]

oh word

[rich inlet]

very good, that'll help a lot

[elder spire]

i saved all the random chests in my mail and opened them and got it

[rich inlet]

nice, yea you're off to a good start

best upgrades for u will be purple soulburn, purple bombard and purple wingstorm

wingstorm probably least useful (its just more damage)

oh excuse me also purple imprison, is very important

get that before wingstorm

[elder spire]

alright so purple mantra, and then i suppose i should just slot in the leech and pvp dcall then?

[naive badge]

50% less healing received both for pve and pvp

[rich inlet]

there you go

yea, leech, mantra, dcall, and then you'll want blue wingstorm, blue imprison, blue bombard at least

and a variety of soulburn

[uneven rain]

Leech only needs green btw. Getting higher than that does basically nothing

[rich inlet]

yea but he already has it bound

[neon spade]

@uneven rain hey bunny, thanks for the guide, just a quick question, when can u fit soul into the opener? been trying different orders but it always ends up awk

thrall > dc > wingstorm > soul >shackle > leech sb?

[distant cedar]

why not use soul at the beginning? got some cast time and takes even more time to hit anyways

[rich inlet]

I soul then sb

You will be in sb right after leech, if you cast it before

[shrewd ledge]

i always use core with sb

[fossil steppe]

so any build to use for warlock_

?

[lofty onyx]

How with what exact rota? I find myself with 3 seconds downtime after third imprison

[elder spire]

your my hero

[elfin merlin]

i guess with purple books

[edgy arch]

Is there a drafoncall rotation video out there?

[whole breach]

Could swap it for an ice rmb one if u want

[acoustic night]

want to sell NA pm offer

[acoustic knoll]

u not enjoying ice?

[rich inlet]

what is dragoncall on my guy, his rotation must be cracked lol

[pure wagon]

WTS NA Offer me

[rich inlet]

i got 1k gems

[weak oasis]

WTS Soul burn chp NA

[uneven rain]

Updated guide to include information regarding Dimensional Volley: Spectral Orb as well as my disclaimer

[shrewd ledge]

YOOO

[deep field]

shadow or ice superior ?

[uneven rain]

ice

but not by much

[deep field]

love it thanks 🙂

[naive badge]

warlock sure gets a lot of piercing

that base piercing

[last wigeon]

@naive badge whats your dps?

@uneven rain asked you in private

[solar summit]

HOW? wtf

[naive badge]

ive been told about 50k with undone soulshields in cs

i do not have primers or psyches since i do not have double crit pieces

[rain tide]

Level 60 in 3 days ? How

[swift hollow]

exp bonus on all possible items, lots of blessing recovery potions, and friends to help farm

[rain tide]

Even if he got max (280% ) doesnt explain it but ig maybe he didnt sleep for 3 days or something

[shrewd ledge]

just bought 10 billion hourglasses and sleep in msp

[distant cedar]

just hit 50 but yeah 60 is insane

[shrewd ledge]

same

[clever badger]

At least valira helped him a lot

[last wigeon]

ty for replaying, also u play ice right?

[rich inlet]

i'm glad that most wl whales are EU

so i can rank pretty easily on NA LOL

[shrewd ledge]

eu gets better salary

[late falcon]

~~EU ~~germans

[whole breach]

Always played shadow are u on eu?

[green dune]

wts EU

[elfin merlin]

Did Anyone test the Soul Badge for Rupture?
It has a relatively high scaling for a 3s CD

[late falcon]

so after story do I do old dailies to level up, or was there any change since then? Quited during bsh

[whole breach]

u empthy ur blessing at 54

44

then go back to story

[late falcon]

too late for that

doesnt matter I have 130 pots

[whole breach]

now u beg ppl for cs runs

[late falcon]

more like how to level, dailies? spam some dung? moonwater plains straight way?

[late falcon]

selling feet pics for CS

[whole breach]

u do that to lvl 48

and beg ppl for bsh runs

[weary horizon]

WTS EU

[whole breach]

either that or u go msp

with a strong party

[naive badge]

shadow

[rich inlet]

With my scuffed build, I do about 5-8x as many helix as rupture

So, I don't think rupture badge will be worth

[green dune]

WTS EU

[abstract forge]

wts NA Heaven's Reach pmo

[misty copper]

its turn out, i using the wrong soulbadge for 4 days

[naive badge]

u do get about 450k exp per potion

[cedar herald]

where are you getting 450k xp from 30 blessing?

[naive badge]

new area

we did it in 1 go

took like 8h from 55 to 60

[clever badger]

Not blessing , Hourglass

[rich inlet]

450k per 30min? thats crazy

whats the xp share range?

[shy spoke]

dem new area msp so good like that '-'

[rich inlet]

i think i only get like, 40k

[naive badge]

its not big at all

i wasnt in a group with my buddy

since he was lv 60

i tagged the mobs and he kills them

i get solo share of exp

[shy spoke]

thats really nice way to farm there

i just need a giga whale to do that for me

[rich inlet]

ah that makes sense

[misty copper]

i'm not yet understand how the new area work. how do you get more houseglass?

[whole breach]

450k?

what kind of instant kill skill& cheats u using?

[naive badge]

valira

he is like a angery pitbull

i was doing alone about 200k per potion

but he deleted them with few hits

[whole breach]

oh i only have lidl valira in my parties