Blade Dancer

[frozen timber]

Nbd

[patent sphinx]

did u pre pop pot

[cedar wadi]

okay, i was going to do 100 blessing, but if you got replacement

thats good

[patent sphinx]

15 pot per day limit

[frozen timber]

No

Dont really care about pre-pot

Im not wasting blessing

[patent sphinx]

15 pot is like

[cedar wadi]

[patent sphinx]

450 blessing

[frozen timber]

Need to rush 55 anyways

[cedar wadi]

I feel like

[frozen timber]

So rather not waste

[cedar wadi]

I was playing a different game

[wispy quiver]

any speculation on exp requirements 50-55?

[frozen timber]

4-5 days per level

[cedar wadi]

hm 5 to 10?

[wispy quiver]

guh

[frozen timber]

All dailies

And thats only

50-52

Higher might be longer

[wispy quiver]

no new main story for a small boost?

[frozen timber]

No

[patent sphinx]

nope

[frozen timber]

If im not wrong

[patent sphinx]

no mushin 8

[frozen timber]

It should be

[patent sphinx]

did mushin 8 only came out ni silverfrost

no right

[frozen timber]

300-350-400-450-500

[patent sphinx]

WHERE IS OUR MUSHIN 8

[frozen timber]

and then 55-60 is

[wispy quiver]

thousand exp right? level 50 was like 125k exp

[cedar wadi]

i think thats it

[frozen timber]

600-700-800-900-1m

[cedar wadi]

600 700 800

yeah

[frozen timber]

300k yeah

[wispy quiver]

holy moly lol

[cedar wadi]

huge jump

should be fine

[patent sphinx]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fkFyaOmnJ2FLpjyXhCcZbBdhJhCbxqe3lfULYRu8HMQ/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[frozen timber]

I mean if 55-60 is hm 15-20

I literally have a char at hm 16

And its like 1.1m

Lmao

[desert scroll]

Here's data

[frozen timber]

LOL I wasnt even off

[cedar wadi]

oh damn

[frozen timber]

[desert scroll]

cumulative total from lvl 1

substract them for each lvl

[frozen timber]

400k, 450k, 500k, 550k, 600k

[cedar wadi]

even worst

[wheat atlas]

God bless to all the shockwave bds running grab until z comes back up 🙏

[cedar wadi]

stack bleed

[frozen timber]

1.2m, 1.4m; 1.6m, 1.8m

[cedar wadi]

yall 100% useful

[frozen timber]

sorry guys

I was off

:)

LMFAO

[cedar wadi]

I wish

you're not off

[frozen timber]

I was off by 100k

Its not bad considering I went from memory

[desert scroll]

does KR even have it ?

[patent sphinx]

oh

400k exp

[frozen timber]

Thats kinda what I expected tbh

Its a korean game

Rhey literally double

Every checkpoint

[patent sphinx]

maplestory

[frozen timber]

[patent sphinx]

60k a day + weekly

so like

yeah

[cedar wadi]

cant even reach max

if they release naryu

in 4 week

[frozen timber]

Oh u can

[boreal plover]

@patent sphinx @wispy quiver thanks for posting the exp and leveling fact sheet 🐣 👍

[patent sphinx]

it wasn't made by me

[frozen timber]

420k/week + 50k

470k/week

Then add dungeon exp

You’d only hit 55 on like week 4

[boreal plover]

i'm gonna just count myself in for roughly 45k / day bc i don't think i have time to do all with real life obligations and what-not
and i also stay away from pvp after all these toxic players invaded lmao

[frozen timber]

LMFAO

[cedar wadi]

we're filtering players guys

we are going to make sure

[visual trench]

When are we getting bound legendary skill selector box in battle pass? Was it this patch or lab

[cedar wadi]

only people who spend or are dedicated to the game

[frozen timber]

In silverfrost maybe

[cedar wadi]

can proceed with following contents

[frozen timber]

LMFAO

[wispy quiver]

mayyybe

add in like 10k/day for faction dailies

[frozen timber]

Its already added

[wispy quiver]

guh

[frozen timber]

60k per day + dungeon runs which should be ~25k

So 85k a day

[upbeat radish]

is that NEO xp chart or old live data?

[frozen timber]

Neo

[wispy quiver]

not sure ask guard where they got it from

[upbeat radish]

but yeah it looked like 3-5 days per lvl from streams

[frozen timber]

Only the first few

Hehe

I think first 55 will be on

Week 2

Near the end

[wispy quiver]

i mean

there'll be new dailies too

[frozen timber]

3 dailies

also

there's a quest cap

[patent sphinx]

2x event boost

TRUST

[frozen timber]

cope

oh wait

bless maint I can organize my coins

[wispy quiver]

wonder how much exp will the dungeons give

[frozen timber]

roughly 2.5k-3k

no source, just basing off poh

[wispy quiver]

yeah def will be a lil more* due to higher level req

[frozen timber]

you get less exp the higher lvl too btw

LOL

bug gives me 2.2k at 49 iirc

vs poh at 2.6k

[wispy quiver]

welp, guess this is the growth phase of the entire playerbase for naryu

how about speculations on stat increases by level up?

[desert scroll]

about 55 ap from 50-55

[wispy quiver]

11 ap each or so then

[cedar wadi]

They said a total of 70 for 5 lvl?

If not mistaken by memory

[desert scroll]

was it 70 ?

[frozen timber]

11 12 13 14 15

[cedar wadi]

65

[frozen timber]

should be the amount u get

[cedar wadi]

Close

why baby why

you should have start teh maint

2 hours ago

tell me

look in my god damn eyes

that you're not going to delay this sht

[wispy quiver]

so imagine 4 weeks at 54 is +50ap

[upbeat radish]

plan for naryu is

skip

do tree for accesories / soulshield when they buff it

[cedar wadi]

1000 AP+ 10k crit with legendary main skill

quick daily

[patent sphinx]

wait

why did the patchohnte say bound bluebook

anyway

[cedar wadi]

its

ncsoft

[desert scroll]

I asked Rownen, no answer

[patent sphinx]

ok w/e

[latent seal]

1200ap fast blue train

[patent sphinx]

idgaf

i nap too

good bye

[cedar wadi]

im debating

probably not going to nap

I will just stay up till 2-3 and sleep

gotta go to zoo with my boi tomorrow

[patent sphinx]

wait there is only 6 legendary book

[upbeat radish]

lol i think the only real reason to do 50min naryu runs with highest dps req, is for 28% chance ascent stone to make your weapon legendary

[patent sphinx]

[wispy quiver]

i forget what the bottom blue accessories AP are currently (not in yast neo) anyone remember?

[upbeat radish]

^

i guess 43 from base bracelet

[wispy quiver]

and +2 +2 for awakening right

[upbeat radish]

i think one of the pieces gets a +3

[wispy quiver]

good enough for a ballpark

[patent sphinx]

how come we have 6 legendary book

while BM only have 3

[visual trench]

We have 6 different builds

[latent seal]

Or acc

[upbeat radish]

idk if they're even in market, but the good life drain charms are 230 on crit right?

[latent seal]

Any one knows kr?

[upbeat radish]

looking at dummy data with my slow attacks its like 4 hits/s 70% crit, so 2.8 crits/s x 230 drain x6 members if similar performance -> free 3800 party dps

[latent seal]

I found some info about cards? Im not sure but i dont even understand it even translting

[frozen timber]

its 305

[upbeat radish]

gee

[frozen timber]

I have prepped like 50

[upbeat radish]

https://tenor.com/view/dolphin-griddy-dolphin-hitting-the-griddy-dolphin-doing-the-griddy-dolphin-griddy-gif-26074463

[frozen timber]

nah I just crafted those on main

I run mushin on 2 char

[patent sphinx]

Yes

The charm is a lot of dps

[wispy quiver]

aight last bit of spam data from me

estimated

[patent sphinx]

I need people to realize it

So I can sell them

[frozen timber]

?

[patent sphinx]

Wtf is this chart

How is blue 47 to pirate 50 +9

[upbeat radish]

blood?

[wispy quiver]

yeah lemme double check

chat gpt gets weird

[patent sphinx]

Can you even evolve blue to purple

[wispy quiver]

no it's just if you're upgrading in jumps

[upbeat radish]

oh, the legendary gloves are called blood mane alright

[upbeat radish]

@ppl-that-took-a-nap

[patent sphinx]

Shut up

[visual trench]

thats so rude...

[upbeat radish]

[visual trench]

cant believe you told him to shut up

thank you for your service aco i will wake up from my nap now

[patent sphinx]

WaitIT IS AXTUALLY UP

[frozen timber]

yeah

[patent sphinx]

I thought he was trolling

[wheat atlas]

“No flash step build until you get legendary”

[latent seal]

Let's go spartans

[cedar wadi]

not bad.. i guess

[latent seal]

What's this bs

[frozen timber]

theres new insignias

gg

[upbeat radish]

wdym

wait holy

[frozen timber]

New card sets are drop only

[frozen timber]

man I knew it was too good to be tru

[wispy quiver]

dang the moment i step away for 10 mins

server comes up immediately

[frozen timber]

@cedar wadi ey wake up

[cedar wadi]

im awake

where you

are we doing cold>bsh1>bsh2?

[frozen timber]

not running yet

just turning in quest and stuff

but yeah we are

[patent sphinx]

the accuracy req is pretty hiugh

[cedar wadi]

hmm

how much exp does beluga give?

[patent sphinx]

how much acc do u need for cold storage

anyone know

[upbeat radish]

beluga doesnt sell #2 accesory, dead content

[nocturne stratus]

1.1k is still not enough

[frozen timber]

Love this game

[cedar wadi]

@frozen timber Brother, Im sorry, I got a customer who is willing to buy my build. I recommend you my customer Meyda. She can do bleed too.

Hahahaha

I finally

sold this dumb build

im going back to standard fatal strike

[frozen timber]

?

[cedar wadi]

WTB LF CDR

[frozen timber]

You're fired

[cedar wadi]

[upbeat radish]

[cedar wadi]

after watching

what LF cdr does

I feel like I was a dumb ass

Like

literally why would I spend 30k to buy 3 LF cdr + 5k for a Flicker

if I add 10k

for LF CDR

I didnt know, LF cdr

[upbeat radish]

i think there have been 35k cdr too

[cedar wadi]

reduce every hit when it stacked to 20 stack

I thought it only reduces once

[stuck cargo]

Reading is a powerful tool

[cedar wadi]

I've been

Selling my build dirt cheap

Like dirt dirt cheap

1 more LF add dmg to sell

any buyer

cheap for 7.5k

[stuck cargo]

Anyone know if the legendary books are an auction drop or a %chance from the box

[upbeat radish]

we'll know in 30min

[cedar wadi]

sht, we got wb too

sold a little too early

[stuck cargo]

If it's a box drop I'll actually have a reason to so wb

If it's an auction drop i sleep

[frozen timber]

auction

[cedar wadi]

auction, one sold in KR for 120k?

[upbeat radish]

oh

i figured they would add it to prime treasure

that's good then

[stuck cargo]

[upbeat radish]

legendary wind sever drop 🙏

someone pay 500k

[stuck cargo]

It drops the skill book and not the chest?

💀

[frozen timber]

yes

[stuck cargo]

Sorry Spell book. Gotta use ncsoft terms

[upbeat radish]

never underestimate the power of the undercutter

surely it'll bounce but im not dipping in those

[slender marsh]

do lightning bd stack storm cleaves?

[latent seal]

And Ligthning flash

[wispy quiver]

holy moly

[wispy quiver]

is it not ?

dang guess we need more accuracy

[nocturne stratus]

I mean enough to deal dmg yes

but the guy still evades some

[wispy quiver]

how much you thinking?

cuz i can easily swap crit primers for accuracy

[upbeat radish]

can u only use one primer?

[wispy quiver]

yeah i believe they override

[desert scroll]

Yes, treat primers like psyches

[wispy quiver]

someone mentioned you need 1.4k pierce too

[nocturne stratus]

1.2k baseline

1.3 ideal

[upbeat radish]

+5 ap for bsh kills

@frozen timber nothing new on prime loot right

[frozen timber]

nope

nothing new

[nocturne stratus]

no leg book?

bruh

[upbeat radish]

time for bamboo village to get legendary book in 40min

[frozen timber]

ITS SO COOKED

IM GETTING EVADED AT 1282

LMAOO

[upbeat radish]

damn @patent sphinx -36g

[desert scroll]

it is indeed the exact same as the lvl 50 one lmao

[stuck cargo]

they had one job

[upbeat radish]

25%ish enrage

was like 4th on kaari but ended up tanking on winter mane???

[frozen timber]

bro

im still missing

on blood mane

at 1400

[wispy quiver]

how often tho

cuz 1400 is near twice my acc

[frozen timber]

noit that often

[wispy quiver]

im at like 871 or something

rip

whats ur pierce

[frozen timber]

1.7k

[wispy quiver]

yeah mine's 1567 so alright i might actually switch to accuracy primers if im missing too much

[desert scroll]

imma need to work on that one 💀

[upbeat radish]

i guess u have to see it during the fight? cuz its not showing up

[desert scroll]

where do you even get that much accu from without hard dropping on other stats

[upbeat radish]

or i have enough for cs i guess

i have.. 143 acc from psyches, 37 from core, 103 from soul+mystic badge, brightstone gives +77, and 114 from shields that didnt roll both crit

journal gives 112 too

[upbeat radish]

idk that adds 474 and im guessing journal goes on base stat, missing 30 from somewhere
unequipped everything and says +30 from equip, whatever, free 30

[sudden stirrup]

so y did they nerf fissure

[frozen timber]

lmao

this thing's gonna be so easy

thats SS Reroll

[upbeat radish]

are cold storage bots giving defense to the boss or bleed

can only see +movement speed when u block

[patent sphinx]

it give nothing

it does nothing

[wispy quiver]

good info

imma attempt it now

[stuck cargo]

is this SS only?

[frozen timber]

yeah

[stuck cargo]

unlucky

wish it was on items too

[timid matrix]

Wait u can change ss stat now? How about acc?

oh i didnt the reply sadge no acc change

Back to upgrading my siren to leggy

[patent sphinx]

bloodmane is BSH1 right

[frozen timber]

yeah

and bleed

we're barely clearing

like 10 seconds left

[patent sphinx]

accuracy requirement is insane

this patch

[upbeat radish]

when the 35k dps whales struggle

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[novel bronze]

am i missing something or does legendary wind sever deal less dmg?

[upbeat radish]

wdym

its just +speed

[novel bronze]

OH

[sudden stirrup]

sometimes the skill points don't display on a preview

[upbeat radish]

well that worked out, bought neck for 1k, 5 tries to awakened 2 to true, looks nice

[novel bronze]

nice

[analog dragon]

So is it as impossible as everyone panicked

[upbeat radish]

for small fish, basically

gotta try again at lvl 52 maybe it'll change something, but that will take a week

[wide sail]

how to get more than 14k dps

[upbeat radish]

on dummy?

[patent sphinx]

lv 51 for CS lv 53 for BSH1 prob

[wide sail]

yes dummy @upbeat radish

[naive tree]

[novel sapphire]

So hows the patch so far

[naive tree]

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-goku-punch-evade-gif-13136580

all boss rn

[novel sapphire]

Gdamn

[novel bronze]

got carried by a bd with 5 wind sever, killed command at -18s

[novel sapphire]

for how much does purple multislash go on eu?

[hushed abyss]

there is none on the market

[novel sapphire]

oof

[wheat atlas]

so umm

[novel sapphire]

dunno at which price i should put it in

[wheat atlas]

anyone clear cold storage?

[upbeat radish]

my runs ended but boss still had hp and i didnt get loot, i think it bugged

[patent sphinx]

ya

without lv 51 u need to have super tight team

likely u need

1 juicer + 5 like

geared peopel

[wheat atlas]

sigh, time to buy more shockwaves

[patent sphinx]

u need accuracy

mostly

[hushed abyss]

time to reroll on utility destroyer

[patent sphinx]

@wheat atlas

u got some work to do

[slender jay]

Wtb purple flicker eu

[upbeat radish]

day #1 of wind bd (about 30 min of practice) - 14k dummy
-2k from ligthning

im just randomly pressing skills idk what to do

[hushed abyss]

just maintain wind charge and makro rb f

[upbeat radish]

yeah i couldnt even tell what's the wind charge/how many stacks/where do dragons come from

just looks like 3 hatta = typhoon

and some skills 3-5 free typhoon, others not so much

[hushed abyss]

x z f 2 give windcharge if u have the books with windcharge u just need 1rb for typhoone

oh and c on purple book

[upbeat radish]

i did the 5 blues no purple, z x 2 v rmb

[hushed abyss]

dragon is on 12 stacks

but only on purple wind sever if i remember

[jagged lion]

Guys, I grabbed purple lf additional damage from 50lvl, should i stack green or its bad? Also got virtuos lf badge

[upbeat radish]

its good damage, eventually u'll want to swap to cdr but works

[hushed abyss]

green books dont doo much but if u dont have any other skillbooks to use go for it ig

[upbeat radish]

just kinda bad to use with storm cleave, probably a dps loss and u ignore cleave

[jagged lion]

What skillbooks I need?

[upbeat radish]

flicker and flash, u're done

well, blue raid and flaming too i guess

[jagged lion]

I got blue raid and flaming

blue storm too

blue electric piercer

[upbeat radish]

idk if its worth it to run piercer + storm cleave to slowly get a fatal blade

or just green flicker and purple flash all the time

[patent sphinx]

i changed my name

help

[hushed abyss]

same bait as ur last reaction video?

[patent sphinx]

what bait

told people they need lv 51 or accuracy

i just didn't know how much

guess the answer is

it make a big diff

i need to find that chinese vid again

[hushed abyss]

y and u told ppl it isnt pay to win if u can have fun with only blue and green skills guess what

[patent sphinx]

oh i found it

in chinese u can have party finder

[patent sphinx]

?

u can't have fun without purple?

[hushed abyss]

and its still pay to win no?

[patent sphinx]

it is

so is time stream wep

i mean

everything in life is p2w

other guy pay to upgrade his wep to true siren on day 1

that p2w

how r u defining p2w

that just life

everyone define it differently

[hushed abyss]

There is nothing wrong with saying that a free 2 play game is pay to win, but then to defend the whole thing like that, ppl don't know what to think about it

[patent sphinx]

i didnt' defend it

im just saying u don't need it

nor it is

[hushed abyss]

lol there is nothing to define if i can swipe 600€ and buy evrything without touching a dungeon a single time

[patent sphinx]

$500 x18 slot

idk

genshin is p2w

someone can swipe $2000 USD and one shot every enemy

doesn't affect how much fun i have

if u let that affect u

[hushed abyss]

ofc it is so is evry other free 2 play

[patent sphinx]

u got so much more

[polar eagle]

this mfer going to make me defend gacha games

[patent sphinx]

doing youtube is p2w or connection to win

because the guy with more money

can get the product first

[polar eagle]

holy fk lol

[patent sphinx]

people do iphone review before iphone come out

[hushed abyss]

now ur getting delulu

[polar eagle]

mmo players arent real

[patent sphinx]

idk

the other guy said u need 500 euro book x18

u agree with that?

need?

??

[hushed abyss]

u need it if u want to max dmg yes

u dont need it if u dont care about it

[patent sphinx]

why u care so much to max dmg

idk

it is p2w sure but it is also not something i focus on or care about

someon always going to do more dmg

[polar eagle]

i didnt see where they said you needed 18 skill books but i do see where youre comparing the current content to genshin for some reason

[patent sphinx]

that what he is responding to

i responded to someone

who said

"purple book is so p2w u need 18x 500 euro skill"

and im like

u don't

[hushed abyss]

ok I'll explain it to you very simply so that even someone like you can understand it, Let's say a group is open with 5/6 players, you apply and the player with 18x the purple book, who comes into the group?

[patent sphinx]

ok and then

[hushed abyss]

so the guy who payd for the books wins over u pay to win easy explained

even some one like u shoud understand it now

[patent sphinx]

u can't make another group?

there is only 1 grp?

there is only 5 player?

why u care so much

[hushed abyss]

my gosh either ur paid actor, ur deululu or ur brain capacity isnt enough

[patent sphinx]

i just think if u let if u let something affect u much

u r not going to have fun in life

MB for not letting someone else ruin my day i guess

of course it is p2w u can spend 1k on a time stream wep

i still find the game fun

so i will play as long as the game is fun

¯_(ツ)_/¯

someone else doesn't determine how much fun i have

and when the game isn't fun anymore

i will play something else

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hushed abyss]

no reason to continue discussing if you pull some arguments out of your ass, the dumbest people scream the loudest, a clever one sayd it is difficult to win an argument against someone who is intelligent but impossible against a stupid

[patent sphinx]

i mean

if u don't find it fun

then that ur decision

im not trying here to complain al lday

complain all day and do nothing abuot it

that the western mindset

[hushed abyss]

ur from the us?

[patent sphinx]

nope

u?

[hushed abyss]

no but woud explain something

[patent sphinx]

ya it certainly does

o well

lot of people define p2w differently

it is not like there is a universal definition

lost ark was hella p2w but i sure had fun when i played

[polar eagle]

theres a dude in neo-chat who was saying that the game is fine as long as he has 5 people to play with, thats the type of person supporting the game

[upbeat radish]

OH, I just realized I'm a dumbass, tested wind without swapping the lightning badges

[patent sphinx]

im curious what u r going to say about gacha game

gacha game technically is very f2p friendly

lot of people love to play genshin /wuwa f2p

but it is also p2w

[hushed abyss]

idc what ppl doo with theyr time if u have fun go ahead and play it but dont say its not pay to win just to defend the game

[patent sphinx]

so it is not like f2p friendly and p2w can't coexist

i just hate complaining

imagine playing a game that u complain about all day

so negative

[hushed abyss]

It wasn't about complaining, but about you saying it's not pay to win if you can have fun with blue books

[analog dragon]

Wind soul badge easily 20% dps

[patent sphinx]

i mean people r eventually going to say that about legendary book too

after u get full purple

[polar eagle]

if people stop complaining about the game thats probably when i quit myself actually, because then i know 100% there is no hope for the game

[patent sphinx]

and even if u clear content with full purple

u can still complain all day it is p2w

[polar eagle]

when the community accepts the state of the game

its donezo

[patent sphinx]

that fine

u decide what u play and what u don't play

why u let other people affect u

[upbeat radish]

Got moonwater one tho , guess I'll have to look for a 2k virtuous

[patent sphinx]

there is nothign wrong with putting a game down that you don't enjoy anymore

[polar eagle]

because its an mmo

[patent sphinx]

life is a mmo

sadly

life is full of daily

and weekly

and p2w

oops

[polar eagle]

mmo players arent real

[hushed abyss]

im sure there are ppl having fun in north korea aswell, woud i join them? no

[patent sphinx]

he bring up north korea

that worse than bringing up gacha game

[hushed abyss]

U compare games with realife tho there is no base to Talk

[patent sphinx]

u right

there isn't

[analog dragon]

Playing something you find unfun and just complaining about it seems miserable tbh. Games meant to be fun. If you dont have fun, move on.

Pay to win exists in every game, every aspects of life. The whole "b-but theyre going to take the whale over me in a pug" is ridiculous. Just join another party or make your own? This is lost ark complaint circlejerks all over again lmao... make friends, join a clan, statics...

Ill never understand people that just complains about something but keeps at it... such a toxic and miserable way to live... you'd be better off just quitting and moving onto things you enjoy.

[patent sphinx]

it is ko

u can have ur own opinion

and i will haev my own

that all

i don't rly care

[patent sphinx]

ya this hwo i think too

i do love arguing tho so that kind of cool

it is fun

[hushed abyss]

You just lost your contact with life At that point I don't know if I might be arguing with a sick person because of that I'd rather stay out

[patent sphinx]

i just don't like complaining purposely surrounding urself with negativity

doesn't really do anything

[polar eagle]

as long as were talking about opinions my opinion is that accepting something substandard is a miserable way to live

[analog dragon]

Then dont and move on lol

[patent sphinx]

ya then don't

[polar eagle]

bns live is right there as an example of where neo is headed

[analog dragon]

Okay

I still had tons of fun for 2 years in live

[patent sphinx]

ya me too

[analog dragon]

Just like i had 3 years of fun in lost ark

[patent sphinx]

i enjoyed the moment

ya same

i enjoyed the moment

[polar eagle]

where are the updates tho?

[patent sphinx]

nothing is forever

jsut enjoy ur time

[polar eagle]

but wow still gets updates tho

why not bns

[patent sphinx]

different company

[analog dragon]

Cause they dont care

[polar eagle]

different game*

[patent sphinx]

i mean

if u find wow more fun

cuz it has more update

u can play wow

[analog dragon]

^

I would think BDO is the best game ever if it had traditional pve/dungeons/raids

But it doesnt

[patent sphinx]

my fav part is def the people who complain new dungeon is impossible because of the accuracy requirement

idk

[analog dragon]

Do i go in BDO discord/reddit to complain about what it could be

[patent sphinx]

maybe they should build accuracy

[analog dragon]

No

[patent sphinx]

i miss archeage

: (

it was so bad

it was so p2w

but i enjoyed every moment of it

[analog dragon]

Like i understand your point. BnS could be an amazing game if they put passion and care into it. Like truely amazing long lasting game.

But they dont. And theyre not gonna grow some kind of conscience after all these years. No point hoping and expecting anything else

So enjoy whatever u can enjoy until u dont enjoy it

Then move on

[patent sphinx]

i will say it now and u can disagree

but i want to play this game with other people who enjoy the game to a similar level as i do

not someone who complain all day

and surrounding everyone with their negativity

[polar eagle]

oh ok so you know that wow getting updates is not relevant to if i find it fun (i dont)

i was wondering how to explain it

[patent sphinx]

if i enjoy the game even if it is p2w and could use improvement

i would like to discuss and play the game with other people who enjoy the game

not someone who just complani about p2w all day and contribute nothing

that all

[polar eagle]

you could create your own party discord

to discuss the game

[patent sphinx]

u can say i frame my content taht way

we have it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

we ahve one

i did

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[analog dragon]

I understand your point about how bns could be great if they kept improving it like WoW/ff14 with constant updates and listening to feedback or whatever.

But they wont. Like that wont change. If it was a new dev/publisher maybe youd have some glimmer of hope. But this is ncsoft. There is no hope of change to be had.

[steep shore]

Question: Does the 5 point strike daze apply 5x dazes on a boss?

[patent sphinx]

yes pretty sure

[steep shore]

finally the BD alt is good for something then

[sudden stirrup]

it didn't when i tried it at green

they had to take even that from us

not sure if blue any different

[steep shore]

oh... the blue launches against a dazed target though

[patent sphinx]

ya u can't use blue

[steep shore]

does poh soul core 3x daze a boss?

[sudden stirrup]

it only put one the with green anyways

[patent sphinx]

yes

[little minnow]

You know we're playing an MMO right? Not a singleplayer gacha? right?

[analog dragon]

So?

[patent sphinx]

u should read up everything

[analog dragon]

Does me having more dps/better gear than you changes anything to your game?

[patent sphinx]

ya it does cuz u can carry me

PLZ

[polar eagle]

it does in this case

[patent sphinx]

YUUNIE

[little minnow]

I ain't reading all that

[patent sphinx]

BSH

jk

[analog dragon]

It doesnt

[polar eagle]

devs have to balance reward systems around player averages

like its math

[analog dragon]

I play with friends and static. I could not be playing at all or i could do 50k dps, it wont change a single thing for your game.

[patent sphinx]

there is no

have to

[little minnow]

Pretty much yea? P2W players always need more 'challenge' than a casual
So we get stuff like BSH and CS

[patent sphinx]

you play gacha game u know the best

[polar eagle]

its an mmo not a singleplayer game, like it was said

[analog dragon]

They arent balancing anything around anything. They are releasing the game as is, you adapt around it. Theyre not taking averages or player progression into account. This isnt other mmos where they actually take stats and care to balance

[patent sphinx]

also i promise u

player averages in almost everygame

is the 600 ap casual

people who to on discord youtube and read guide

is like

less than 10%

[polar eagle]

why do you think the dungeons have the amount of hp they do

whats the reason

[analog dragon]

Like there couldve been 0 players able to clear CS and they still wouldve released it. They. Dont. Care.

[polar eagle]

lol no way

[patent sphinx]

idkk

[polar eagle]

aint no way

[patent sphinx]

why do u think so

[polar eagle]

fomo, competitive culture? well documented in the games industry as psychological triggers for people

[little minnow]

I guess p2w players or not, they would still release cs or bsh at the current state because they want people to spend and clear the damage sponges
In the end NCsoft is regarded and will just let this game die in both regions

[patent sphinx]

idk

did u get fomo in poh

[polar eagle]

literal talks at GDC about this

[patent sphinx]

i guess that one is true

tho

ur fav type of gacha game is built off fomo

[polar eagle]

my fav type of gacha game can be autoed and swept by purple units

[analog dragon]

If they cared even slightly, we wouldve seen changes based on feedback right now. But instead we get worse versions of things and them literally ignoging all feedback.

NCWest does not care about balance or player's progression. They will release the content as is based on predetermined schedule and they wont do anything to help you

[polar eagle]

they do care about player progression thats literally why the enrage timer is where its at

[analog dragon]

No

KR does.

KR made the game this way with that intention

NCWest doesnt care

They just take and push

[frozen timber]

Korean games are known to put huge checkpoints in game LMAO

[patent sphinx]

CS in KR was released with

14mill hp

btw

[frozen timber]

Maplestory still has an unclearable boss

[patent sphinx]

our is 18mill hp with no blue buff

[frozen timber]

That was released 2 yrs or so ago

[patent sphinx]

i love malpestory

he bought it up first time

not me

help

omg every maplestory patch im just like

[frozen timber]

and lets be honest

[patent sphinx]

another boss that i won't ever do in 5 years

VERY COOL

[frozen timber]

Its day 1

[patent sphinx]

yeah

u don't have fomo yet?

[nocturne stratus]

its bbr 2.0

[patent sphinx]

some other guy in here do

[nocturne stratus]

its simple

[frozen timber]

Calm down lmfao

[patent sphinx]

im pretty sure

we r calm

[frozen timber]

You’re gonna clear in a week or at 51 super easy peasy

[polar eagle]

i wasnt talking about not being able to clear bsh day 1

[frozen timber]

I wasnt talking about bsh either

[upbeat radish]

There are some ways ppl can improve, optimize dps uptime, but tbh there's not much progress to make, day 1 argument is usually about learning mechs, not running into DPS check wall

[polar eagle]

ok

[upbeat radish]

But ya need to chill for a week and see with higher lvl

[frozen timber]

Bro

This game

Massacre your stats

[patent sphinx]

did u clear BSH2

[frozen timber]

If you’re same level as boss

[patent sphinx]

can u even clear BSH2

[frozen timber]

Hell no?

[patent sphinx]

BSH1 is like

[frozen timber]

We’re so far off its crazy

[patent sphinx]

barely do able for whale

[novel bronze]

i just want to say

[analog dragon]

Like i understand that whales are why some content gets released harder than necessary for casual players. I dont debate that.

But in our version of neo, whales dont matter. Me being stronger than you doesnt matter. They arent taking into account player progression FOR US. They just release whatever they planned to release and they do not care where the playerbase is at.

[frozen timber]

BSH1 is easy

[novel bronze]

i cleared bsh 2 and the whale had 5 purple wind severs

and it took enrage to clear it

[patent sphinx]

i lost

35% dmg against dummy

against cold storage

wait actually

i guses i swapped to accuracy

so technically i lost stat

[upbeat radish]

Sounds about right

[patent sphinx]

it is ok im sure someone will argue that getting level is p2w when there is no paying source of exp

plz bring back hongmoon charm

then we can say it is p2w to get lv 51

[upbeat radish]

Was doing like 16k dummy and best try CS was 9.6k but messing up, so I guess 10.5 is viable

[patent sphinx]

10.5 avg?

u need 12.5 avg

for CS

sup sunder

hi

[polar eagle]

player willingness to spend on power is why they think there will be interest in a 23m hp dungeon

[nocturne stratus]

sup

[patent sphinx]

i won't lie im pretty willing to spend money

[upbeat radish]

Yeah but I don't do 20k on dummy so -35% leaves me at 10.5

[patent sphinx]

who is supporting the game if no one spend money

[nocturne stratus]

I mean u can have fun without spending

[polar eagle]

this is the whole business model for those weird kingdom builder games

[nocturne stratus]

its extra fun if u spend spare change

[novel bronze]

the whale also hard swapped his psyches to accuracy to hit 1.1k

[analog dragon]

Apparenrly not

[nocturne stratus]

I am?

[patent sphinx]

i think there is some truth to argue that bns neo is like kind of sad without spending a bit

oh

nvm

[nocturne stratus]

Every mmo I've played

[patent sphinx]

i was wrong

[nocturne stratus]

I never spent a dime

From tera

lost ark

to this

[patent sphinx]

it is ok someone here was aruging u can't

so u r wrong

[analog dragon]

^

[nocturne stratus]

Oh im wrong now alright

[analog dragon]

You need max dmg max everything

To have fun

[nocturne stratus]

cant have fun

[patent sphinx]

[frozen timber]

ok

BSH round 2

[analog dragon]

Not rank1 wb, cant have fun

[nocturne stratus]

Im like 50th in wb

cant have fun with that man

[little minnow]

Based tera enjoyer... Could go clear any content if you were skilled enough, now playing bns which is a wallet check is sad tbh

[upbeat radish]

If I dont win the legendary storm cleave from world boss I'm so not gonna have fun

[patent sphinx]

can we

[nocturne stratus]

yeah

[patent sphinx]

hold off on the wallet check

[upbeat radish]

Everyone pls bid less than 50

[patent sphinx]

until level 55

[upbeat radish]

That's a month away thoo

[analog dragon]

Bsh2?

[patent sphinx]

OK 51 and CS

ok hurry up i got 8 minute until it hit 2am time to sleep

[polar eagle]

tera died for the exact same reason lol, i could literally see i had almost the same hits per minute on my skills as the top players on moongourd but the dps was like 30% less

at least in tera you wiped because the boss killed you with attacks and not an enrage timer

[upbeat radish]

My memories with tera basically stop at manaya hm, I did wonderholme and a bit more but wasn't the same

[little minnow]

True, it did become p2w as fk. But content remained clearable for ANYONE skilled

[nocturne stratus]

or a fail mech

[analog dragon]

So tera died cause some people did more dmg than others due to spending/gearing up more...

[polar eagle]

yeah actually

[nocturne stratus]

same road as other mmos

[polar eagle]

literally

[analog dragon]

So every game is just going to die

[little minnow]

Tera died because it released 1 dungeon per 6 months lmao

[analog dragon]

I can go in WoW and ff14 rn

Swipe and max gear

[patent sphinx]

ok i am pretty sure

[analog dragon]

Weird theyre alive

[polar eagle]

whats the ceiling you can hit with gear in wow or ff14

[patent sphinx]

game die for a lot of reason

anyone remember maplestory 2

[upbeat radish]

U can't directly buy the raid gear in xiv but u buy the drop of the run I guess

[patent sphinx]

my comfy cube game

i will give u a short version

[meager mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/じゃじゃーん-えんそくだよ-んもも-メイプルストーリー2-maple-story2-gif-18607839

[analog dragon]

I can buy max crafted gear + pay ppl to bus me thru raids for loot and then be stronger than someone who doesnt

[little minnow]

That game kind of died the same way NEO didwill, CPAP was unclerable for 99% of playerbase

[patent sphinx]

game die when it is no longer profitable for the company

[upbeat radish]

Ye

[patent sphinx]

either becasue it is too p2w and people leave and it is no longer profitable

which is possible

or becasue other eason like

[upbeat radish]

+buy mounts from dung too

Wings add DPS surely

[polar eagle]

and games stop being profitable when nobody plays them

[patent sphinx]

yes

p2w can be a factor

but it could also be not

depend on allowance of gamer

maplestory (original) is extreatmly p2w

still alive over 20 years

[little minnow]

So if 99% of playerbase can't play the content you released, maybe it's not a smart business decision for long-term survival of your game

[frozen timber]

guys

its day 1

[patent sphinx]

ya idk about the 99% playerbase

day1

[frozen timber]

give it a week

and everyone that wants to clear cs will clear cs

[upbeat radish]

Mention maple one more time

[analog dragon]

Like i just mean... can p2w kill game? Sure it can just like a lot of factors..

But someone doing 30% more dps than you isnt what kills the game lol. Thats such a sad way to play games... like i get it, im competitive, it sucks to get gapped by someone that just swiped their card while they're bad at the game... but its not what kills the game lmao

[patent sphinx]

i love maple......

[upbeat radish]

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/Maplestory/comments/lyjnci/korean_twitch_streamer_nodolly_노돌리_held_a_funeral/

[polar eagle]

in a week most people wont have earned enough xp to get level 51 though

[wheat atlas]

I play video games to escape an unfair life, and then there’s BnS… 😭

[nocturne stratus]

if youre an og mmo player

[patent sphinx]

4 years ago

game still alive

[nocturne stratus]

you would know what crystal saga is

[patent sphinx]

ok but

real talk

i hate this

CS IS p2w sheet

same way "BUG WAS UNCLEARABLE "

DAY 1

man

[nocturne stratus]

yeah bug.20

[patent sphinx]

give it a week plz

[analog dragon]

Nothings fair in life

[patent sphinx]

oh

it is kind of sad

[wheat atlas]

Even our video games ((

[patent sphinx]

every game of game is just a reflection of reality now

did u clear CS yet

with ur 600 accuracy shockwave

@wheat atlas @wheat atlas @wheat atlas @wheat atlas @wheat atlas

man i wish u were here when i first tried out shockwave

: (

it is so cool

oh it is 2am

i eep

good bye

[wheat atlas]

I can understand not clearing bsh day one, but cold storage cmon now

[patent sphinx]

Okay that part is kind of sad tho

The buffed hp and no blue buff

But we do get level 51 just nobody has it

[upbeat radish]

Kaari taking 4 blessing instead of 2 is kinda ass too

[analog dragon]

Idk end of day my 2cents is. If u dont like/enjoy something thats supposed to be a hobby to the point its making you upset, should move on. Thats unhealthy way of living lol. Rest of life can sucks, its kinda on you if you fill your free/hobby time with something else that makes you unhappy.

NCSoft isnt gonna change. The game will keep on this path. Its pretty much a take it or leave it situation, cant do much about it.

[nocturne stratus]

so that you will spend more hm pots

5head

[patent sphinx]

Yeah same I’m too old to care so much now

Just

Enjoy the little things in my life

Our small little BNS game

[polar eagle]

i dont get upset playing bns lol, i know im right because i was there to see tera shut down

[patent sphinx]

[polar eagle]

im not one of the people saying i have to clear cs day 1

[patent sphinx]

Every game shut down eventually

People grow old and grow out of it

[polar eagle]

i am working towards it, but i will keep demanding for the next update to not be giga cringe

wont change ever

[analog dragon]

Except live bns somehow

[patent sphinx]

OK LOW KEY

I’M PRETTY SURE

naryu lab is impossible

Cuz they are legal 58

[nocturne stratus]

I was there too. it shut down twice for me

[upbeat radish]

Skip naryu

[nocturne stratus]

so better enjoy it

[upbeat radish]

Wait for legendary ss from tree and never touch naryu

Unless u go for ascent stones

[patent sphinx]

Yeah probably

[frozen timber]

we're not getting

[patent sphinx]

Btw

Just saying

[frozen timber]

4 man dungeons

[patent sphinx]

But

FFXIV ultimate

Is unreachable for 99% player

[nocturne stratus]

naryu is the one that drops windshock ss right

[patent sphinx]

So that your 99% example

[nocturne stratus]

those shiny ss

[polar eagle]

no way dude how are we still on this

[patent sphinx]

Highland is fine

[polar eagle]

lol

[patent sphinx]

Oh just before bed thought

It is okay I wonder where is the other guy

[upbeat radish]

Hopefully they bring 6man tree when we get it, but they might just leave it at 4 for a while

[patent sphinx]

[polar eagle]

you can get the gear required to do ults in an instant in ffxiv

[analog dragon]

But that's just cause they're bad not cause of gear 🤓

[polar eagle]

it is impossible to compare

[patent sphinx]

Yeah but he was saying how games make content unreachable for 99% but

Or something

Naryu lab is about to be impossible to reach

I guess I also don’t rly mind it if that the case

[analog dragon]

I'm soloing it day 1

[patent sphinx]

It is sad but just pretend it don’t exist I guess

[analog dragon]

^

[nocturne stratus]

I'll just go in, hit the boss, then escape

so that I can say that I've tried it

[analog dragon]

That's how I'm treating any content i can't do lol. Pretend it's not out until i get to do it. Not like other ppl clearing it affects me

[patent sphinx]

We are so not getting 4 man dungeon tho

[upbeat radish]

Something something u miss out on the market profits!

[analog dragon]

[glacial magnet]

Hi guys how much accuracy need to have on new content?

[upbeat radish]

Like u're gonna see a 2% legendary drop from dungeon

[patent sphinx]

Yeah I missed out on nvidia too

And bitcoin

Unlucky

[nocturne stratus]

which one? in cs?

[patent sphinx]

Yes

1100

[nocturne stratus]

^

[patent sphinx]

For BSH higher

[analog dragon]

I didnt do ToE until week 2. I didnt do even BBR until week2 of moonwater.

I did all blue quests while main questing. Took me 1.5 week to reach 36. Took me a week to reach 45.

[frozen timber]

so uhm I just got words

to not miss in BSH 1

you need 1.8k accuracy

[patent sphinx]

WAIT GURA IS GONE FROM HOLOLIVR

[frozen timber]

at lvl 50*

[weary stone]

We just cleared bloodmane

[upbeat radish]

Can I take 5k hp off and trade for accuracy

[patent sphinx]

I heard from CN you need 1k accuracy moving forward and

Also be the same legal