Blade Dancer

[analog dragon]

I got 110 on my main, sold 2k, bought on alt, got 80g

[frozen timber]

me 80g x3

problem is the other stuff sucked

[upbeat radish]

so they nerfed it after the first week is what we concluded, and @frozen timber started late

[analog dragon]

Yea

[frozen timber]

at most battlepass was "free"

[analog dragon]

Everything else was kinda useless

Just the sales/remote storage ig

[frozen timber]

yeah they said that was great value

mb

[cedar wadi]

i dont use remote stash

I have big enough bag

[frozen timber]

the best value of pass is stash/sales

[analog dragon]

did they say it was great value?

I remember them saying it was a "special deal" or something

Cause it's our launch BP

[frozen timber]

yeah which pretty much translates into great value

[analog dragon]

ig yea

[frozen timber]

if the special is that bad

"you'll like the new battlepass"

"costume"

[upbeat radish]

u're forgetting about the powders, 40 powders is like 12g!

[analog dragon]

there's ome outfits in F2 but its Attendance not BP

[patent sphinx]

ok

[frozen timber]

I have too much powder

[patent sphinx]

powder is not bad

ngl

[frozen timber]

more dont matter

[somber seal]

Im so low on powder on all my characters, i wouldnt mind more

[frozen timber]

the powders are spaced out too long

[cinder dawn]

I'll take a random purple over blue selector

[upbeat radish]

is this JP attendance then

[cinder dawn]

just gimme a chance xd

[frozen timber]

my issue with purple random

is gacha

[upbeat radish]

bound purple random = 1 purple fragment if u can even salvage it

[patent sphinx]

no

JP is same as TW

hm

i would also rather not have purple random

the lv 50 one already feel so bad ngl

[frozen timber]

losing becuase I lowrolled

[patent sphinx]

hitting windserver purple vs hitting purple

[frozen timber]

hella bad

[upbeat radish]

u either get carried by lvl 50 reward or get !fucked

[somber seal]

feels good if you get a good skill though

Ive seen a few people with all green and purple main dps from box

Makes me want to remake characters lol

[frozen timber]

main has phantom grip

my alt has wind speed

[upbeat radish]

i just saw a bd today with purple flash cdr... and didnt buy storm cleave

[frozen timber]

idk about that one chief

[desert scroll]

I also have phantom grip, not the good one tho

[patent sphinx]

the problem is not that it feel good for certain people is that it will always feel bad for everyone else

[frozen timber]

doesn't matter if good or bad

you're not grabbing

[somber seal]

I got fissure =/

[desert scroll]

eh sometimes I do

[patent sphinx]

people will blame it on like "i can't get to cold storage dPS check cuz i didn't hit a good purple on lv 50"

[desert scroll]

to kill slashimi before he phases again

[torn prism]

Atleast you didnt get flock of blades 😂

[frozen timber]

dont want these ppl in your pt to begin with anyways

[somber seal]

to be fair, some people hit it super easy because they hit a good one

[somber seal]

that id actually use for pvp lmao

[upbeat radish]

https://tenor.com/view/mjpersonal-gif-12910757661639197726

[frozen timber]

nah theres too many ways to increase damage

if their excuse for not doing amage is that they didnt hit a purple skill for them

then theres more issue than that

[upbeat radish]

i agree that most ppl didnt do anything to improve, but in my case i cant hit it without purples

[frozen timber]

[somber seal]

have you tried getting gud?

[upbeat radish]

sry, booking a plane ticket to NA so i get more dps

[static flint]

WTB purp lightning flash cdr NA

[upbeat radish]

im gonna end up wasting psyches on 1-4s and bottom blues, and those 500-600 cdmg should do some i guess

[frozen timber]

im ngl

rather than bpass

fix our skills focus cost being inconsistent

ty

[analog dragon]

I'd be fine if it's a random tradeable. If it's random bound then at that point better just a selector blue

[patent sphinx]

Yeah I rather selector blue over random bound purple

[vocal brook]

why not just save ur psyches till next week and burn them on the new items?

[frozen timber]

idk if u want to go assuming he has enough dmg lmao

[vocal brook]

im guessing charged stroke is only relevant with storm cleave

[upbeat radish]

not getting new items any time soon, not good ones anyways, + being able to clear

the thing about 'only need enough party dps' also is that if im not doing the minimum dps, i dont trust the others to do more

[vocal brook]

be the dps you want to see in the world

[upbeat radish]

that's like the only run i noticed doing 12k (dont run it often anymore), but everytime i have to Q/E or move out of attacks i have to stop attacking and spam the keys 8 times so game reacts

[patent sphinx]

dw

we can do min dps

@azure oxide will carry us right

OFFERING TO GRAB BOSS IN RETURN

[upbeat radish]

i just slotted focus grab, got it like a week ago but didnt wanna replace my green cdr book

[azure oxide]

wdym im already running grab

[upbeat radish]

just grab once and leave everyone guessing if u could've hit 12k dps without grab

[azure oxide]

im ready to grab for 6 seconds at a time so i can afk

[patent sphinx]

how do u grab as a sin

[azure oxide]

oh, my bd has grab

my sin would prefer you never grab, no dps gain and targeting gets super wonky

[patent sphinx]

[azure oxide]

epierce has no "instant cast on grabbed" until legendary

[patent sphinx]

ok that true tho tbh

[azure oxide]

so... never

[patent sphinx]

focus grab doesn't do much once everyone stop running out of focus

[upbeat radish]

just gamba purple -> legendary next patch

[patent sphinx]

defense grab time

[azure oxide]

i just can't target when you grab is the problem

people grab the spider in that spider dungeon

and i just

stare at the giant floating bug, do a lazy circle around it, never get to hit it

[visual trench]

I can confirm it will be underwhelming

[analog dragon]

[visual trench]

At best it will be nice for new/mid tier gamers

[azure oxide]

they need to just

[visual trench]

But nothing in it to solve actual new content progression issues

[azure oxide]

go with western monetization models

introduce battle pass tier 2

charge like 40 bucks

[upbeat radish]

[azure oxide]

give people a bound purple selector + like 2k divine gems or something

[analog dragon]

im down

[azure oxide]

anything to add some divines into the market, and get players to a point where they can feel like they're doing a legitimate rotation

[upbeat radish]

i mean 4k gems is fair for a purple, + even getting 2k back? can probably do without, but steep price for bp

[patent sphinx]

wait

divine

there is already so many divines in the market

unless u mean books

[visual trench]

Adding a pity to purple selection book based on a reasonable amount of purple dungeon runs would be nice

[azure oxide]

no i mean the actual divine currency

[patent sphinx]

i feel like divine is not exiting fast enough

[azure oxide]

there are zero ways for f2p to add any divines so in theory the market can never inflate, but we also have a mass exodus of players quitting/no one new is signing up

and realistically whales are all buying TMY

*RMT

[patent sphinx]

the divine can always inflate from people just injecting it no?

oh

R U RMT

[azure oxide]

no one is injecting any divines

if you can get a 60% rate from ur good friend uncle wong or whatever

[patent sphinx]

oh

i didn't know RMT is that bad

[azure oxide]

gold outfits are just divines straight removed

[patent sphinx]

i legit thought RMT was not that good

[azure oxide]

and gold p2w chest eventually will just be divines removed

i mean, RMT rate has been steadily creeping closer to normal rate for a while

[latent seal]

Just set a max price for items, like BDO does

[azure oxide]

controlled market

[patent sphinx]

yeah RMT rate has been like normal rate

i thought the market is actually doing pretty well

[azure oxide]

would kill their entire eastern/asian playerbase

market is a leaky hole

divines go out, at a way faster rate than added in

[latent seal]

Lmao, see BDO

[azure oxide]

and every single one is taxed 8%

[latent seal]

I bet it has more whales/ppl playing it than this bs with ppl overpricing everything

[azure oxide]

i mean, ncsoft could legit care less what market prices are

[analog dragon]

100$ extra premium battle pass with bound selector purple

[azure oxide]

they do not get any money off anything listed in f5 outside of the 8% tax

[latent seal]

Do ncsoft even care about something?

[azure oxide]

they already got paid the moment the divines were added

[latent seal]

[azure oxide]

Yes, they care about their bottom line at each quarter end

like every other corporation

[patent sphinx]

i always thought divine is deflating is better

[azure oxide]

except its not june yet and we're not getting trove in NEO

[upbeat radish]

see, i was thinking that the 8% tax would slowly eat up all the divines in game, but was assuming that whales were the ones injecting gems stacking books and buying wb drops, but if there's high rmt then they're bound to dry up

[azure oxide]

i mean... its fine until you have no divines left to circulate the market

[patent sphinx]

yeah that when everything become 50 gem each

[azure oxide]

aint no whales injecting any divines into the game unless they're praying for ncsoft to provide tier 1 vip customer support like the good old days

[patent sphinx]

OMG

[analog dragon]

[patent sphinx]

TIER 1 VIP CUSTOMER SUPPORT

I FORGOT

idk i thought whales r still buying gems for stuff like WB auction

oops

[azure oxide]

they are

they're just buying gems for their 10k cost dumpling

not their hongmoon credit card direct to ncsoft w/ tax included

[patent sphinx]

yeah

that more of a problem of RMT existing no

[analog dragon]

vip customer was op

[azure oxide]

no, RMT isn't something you can eliminate i think

[analog dragon]

Being able to literally main change just cause you swiped

[patent sphinx]

i remember if u were vip tier 1 u can ask GM to inject weapon

[azure oxide]

you essentially look at TW market

and you can see what they envisioned

[analog dragon]

They messed up often too. I asked them to transfer a maxed out pet from my Warlock to my Gunner

[patent sphinx]

i always just assumed RMT rate being close to live rate mean that people are more willing to buy from the sources instead

[azure oxide]

essentially with a non gold based economy bots can never actually just underwrite your economy

[analog dragon]

They just duped it to my gunner and i kept the one on my warlock

[patent sphinx]

yeah

[azure oxide]

on live when they banned bots

and soulstones went to like 5 gold

it was hilarious

[patent sphinx]

i guess we do need a way to inject divine gem but legit

[upbeat radish]

Right, but bots don't inject gems either, someone has to pump them into the game to reach bot hands

[azure oxide]

but you need a pretty large population of whales willing to spend, which encourages your average players to gamble and hit

[patent sphinx]

and idk what that would be

[azure oxide]

but no average players will gamble

if no whales will buy anything

[upbeat radish]

Are we riding on the dolphin/mid spenders then, @analog dragon Ty for your service

[analog dragon]

💀

[azure oxide]

the fact that IM considered a whale is crazy

on live, there was ALWAYS a bigger CN whale

[patent sphinx]

economics is not my strong suit

[azure oxide]

list literally any bis thing, name your price for like a week

[patent sphinx]

how much did u pay for ur dagger

[azure oxide]

112k

[patent sphinx]

i won't lie

timestream is going for

WAY LESS

than i expected

[azure oxide]

day one

TW timestreams

went for

160k each?

[patent sphinx]

yeah

on KR like months after

[analog dragon]

That's not even 1 trove

[patent sphinx]

timestream went for 200k

[latent seal]

That's cheap

[azure oxide]

kr also has 400k ice rains

[patent sphinx]

the fact that like ours is 112k on the first month

is so cheap

imo

[latent seal]

Mistx paid more

[patent sphinx]

i thought ours would go for 300k month 1 ngl

[azure oxide]

with what competition lmfao

as far as i'm aware

100k was the baseline bid from most people

i dont know anyone who bid over 100k on it

[patent sphinx]

i guess there is none

need more whalle

[upbeat radish]

it could've been high if it worked properly from the start

[patent sphinx]

[azure oxide]

no just no whales

[upbeat radish]

was it 1-2 weeks? until fixed

[azure oxide]

no competition

yeah you'd think people would be major copium

to get their hands on the shiny new ultima destroy the game weapon

instead they're all racing each other to the bottom

lmao

[patent sphinx]

ya i tell my friends like

1k is cheap

like in almost any game

a BIS weapon like that

[azure oxide]

we were

[patent sphinx]

easily 2/3k

[azure oxide]

10k into the legendary weapon on jp bns

the OG one

[analog dragon]

1k was like the baseline of what you plan to spend on trove

every 3months(?)

[patent sphinx]

1k is like not even a C6 character on genshin

[azure oxide]

that gave +!000 atk and reset all your cds and gave you 10 seconds of super regen

NEO legendary weapon?

+29 atk

luhmao

[patent sphinx]

that interesting hearing from ur prespective

[somber seal]

it also has crit

[patent sphinx]

im not good enough at economics to understand what the best path for the future

[azure oxide]

okay but the legendary weapons on live just have a +20% crit dmg boost baked in iirc

[patent sphinx]

i guess we need legendary card

[azure oxide]

raid weapons were basically just what, a soul badge taped to a mantra taped to your weapon

[patent sphinx]

cuz legendary card have +20% crit dmg

but legendary card not tradeable

so it is not simulating the market

[azure oxide]

tbh i'm pretty sure

half of the reason they went with this

is if theres no more divines and market cant sustain

game just kills itself and you can turn off the servers without feeling bad

what the players gonna say "i spent 20k usd and you shut down the game wtf?"

"sorry bro market doesn't even work anymore, how you plan to play?"

[torn prism]

You really think they would feel bad either way 😄 ?

[azure oxide]

i have zero idea what live looks like

but i find it beyond amazing that game is still alive

but at the same time

i can also see it, because everything was gold based and unlimited farm

you only need 12 people and 10000 bots to do all content

[torn prism]

I mean to be fair.

They could have had a amazing opportunity at making a whole lot of money if they would just listen a little bit.

[azure oxide]

they are making a lot of money

they did listen

to chinese players, and tencent

[torn prism]

I mean sure they get the whales allright

[azure oxide]

who are basically the people who would pay

your average NA player

pretty much expects a massive return on investment that is not anywhere near what they're looking to offer

i think a lot of people would pitch in for the nostalgia, get a master pack, buy a battle pass once

but anything beyond that?

you're getting into AAA game pricing there

you could buy the new assassins creed for the price of a single purple book or whatever

NA players expect like an hour of gameplay + per 1$ spent

completely the opposite of tencent mindset where you start with 10000 hours required, and can pay 1$ to play one hr less

[torn prism]

Sure but just think about how much money they could make if they would release skins. (not just the meager selection we currently have)

If they would listen a "little" bit to the broader audience

I mean sure in the end its probably just the get the most money out of this project its NC after all but still.

A little bit of effort really doesnt hurt 😄

[azure oxide]

okay but like

what is the broader audience telling them

you spend 10 seconds reading most channels here you lose braincells

[patent sphinx]

btw where did u find this

i haven't look into TW that much

but the game is poping way more in TW for sure

[azure oxide]

the broader audience is chanting for compensation compensation

and give me free purple books

and halve boss hp so i can kill it

and give me blue book drops not green books

and change skillbook stacking

and longer wait time between patches

and events

they have a laundry list of wants with zero gives

what are you giving the corporation to implement any of these changes? time playing their game? they got 20000 bots doing that 24/7 for free.

[torn prism]

You know what i would really like ?

[azure oxide]

thats what a friend dm'd me

[torn prism]

Hongmoon energy stays in the game but jack the droprates up.

After your energy is empty you can still run the dungeons but with the droprates we currently have with Energy

[patent sphinx]

i would like a battlepass good enough that people would be like "oh i would spend $20 cash on this"

[torn prism]

Thats a good point too

[patent sphinx]

that has always been the thing that i say

[scarlet iris]

damn i think i sold my purple thunder slash too cheap

[torn prism]

Or rather dont lock essentials behind the battlepass

[patent sphinx]

that fine that not essentials

[azure oxide]

went back to double check, day 2 two weapons 120k and 100k

day 2 of their patch

when did this game launch in tw?

[patent sphinx]

2 weeks after us

TW people def spend more money in general

i grew up playing mmo on TW server

my mabinogi

[azure oxide]

tw seems like it would be significantly more fun

[patent sphinx]

yeah

people r nicer and more understanding

[azure oxide]

honestly any of the china stuff

with tower of infinity + rankings

speedkill dungeon rankings

[patent sphinx]

u look at the general chat it is full of people complaining

the game is not perfect but

[azure oxide]

they already took out unlimited farm, if ur only running 9 dungeons a day at least you could have some fun

[patent sphinx]

idk if that much complain is justifed

[azure oxide]

i think it is

about exactly as i remember it

[latent seal]

Lostark > Bns

[azure oxide]

i mean, its planned that you would run out of things to do, but then you can just close teh game and touch some grass

unlike live where you would then go set up your freaking house/mansion/tent on soulstone plains to farm ur moonstones

[patent sphinx]

oh i shoudl be hitting the gym rn instead oops

forgot

if ping is not bad i would def play on TW tho

[azure oxide]

i love the lack of true daily grind its very liberating

[patent sphinx]

it just seem like TW is way better

[azure oxide]

i mean, you just described the current NEO model

[patent sphinx]

it is grind IRL for money then spend in game to skip the grind

battlepass giving gear is one way of "reasonably" skip the grind

but not so much that it like

destory the market

[azure oxide]

but it fails spectacularly any time in the west because players play games to SPEND TIME playing the game

why is OSRS only huge in NA/EU

and nowhere else in the world

[patent sphinx]

i would whale RN if i was allowed to

oops

[azure oxide]

because every cn/kr player would look at you like you're some kind of massive idiot

you spent 100 hrs chopping wood and ur proud of it???

dude i would hide that skill and never show anyone

[patent sphinx]

ngl

this is the first mmo i played

after school

LOL

so now i have money i would love to spend on games

[azure oxide]

i played rs in middle school growing up

[patent sphinx]

for that reason yeah

like

[azure oxide]

i fished my 12000 lobsters over a semester

[patent sphinx]

ain't no body wanna farm stalker jinagshi for 10 hours

[azure oxide]

and got my fishing to like 84

[patent sphinx]

i would spend on that so fast

[azure oxide]

was very fun, and only cost me $5 for the subscription

now i'm older

[patent sphinx]

I GUESS f2p farming stalker jiangshi for us would have been the market before bot came in

what did soul stone plains even do

isn't that faction daily

[azure oxide]

and looking back, IONO MAN if i could paid my good friend mrwong 20 bucks and been able to get straight to fighting the bosses

[azure oxide]

you needed tens of thousands of soulstones and moonstones to upgrade gear. The only source of those in the game was from daily quests, faction quests, and ssp. Where you basically do the same thing people do in the skyhaven bastioni area now, except in factions

you had your 6 channels, 100 bots a channel, and then the bosses would spawn, and you'd damage them/taunt them/zerg them as much as possible, because of threat based aggro and loot contribution drops

the bots would all die en masse cause the bosses were pvp bosses designed to actually kill players, and then the real players left standing would collect their few soulstones and moonstones

and then you'd repeatr

and people would sit there

for freaking hours 24/7

i did not understand it

getting rid of that, was fantastic, but the downside is you really killed a lot of your hyperdedicated playerbase who actually want to play an mmo 24/7 without spending a dime

yeah, and the part where their animations were all 3x faster than sahjifis and hit for 30-40k a pop

uh

[analog dragon]

just like blues in neo

[azure oxide]

they had the exact same thing in original misty forest

[analog dragon]

[azure oxide]

so blackwyrm, the sajifi-esque commanders

that they removed from NEO

[patent sphinx]

oh i kind of remember that

[azure oxide]

i just

did not

with the commanders

because i rolled a sin

and you got 10 fps on UE3 world bosses

much less commanders

[patent sphinx]

time to play Blue Protocol: Star Resonance instead

[analog dragon]

Lets be real you got 10fps mostly anywhere lol

[patent sphinx]

LF a mmo that worth spending on

[azure oxide]

i like bns

this combat never gets too old

[analog dragon]

Raiding at 15fps and feeling like it's still smooth until you play another game lol

[azure oxide]

and having the insanely linear progression makes it braindead to gear

[frozen timber]

theres no MMO worth spending anymore

only gacha

[patent sphinx]

gacha not worth spending

wtf

what am i going to do

OMG LOOK AT MY C6R5 character

that destory the already easay to do and destoryable content

[frozen timber]

no trash mihomo terms pls ty

[patent sphinx]

ok

S5R6

for wuwa

or idk

whatelse

ur NP5

[frozen timber]

no trashy overworld china gacha

[patent sphinx]

hm i guess yeah

[frozen timber]

tired of this genre already

[azure oxide]

ya this is what we do every mihoyo release

its still pretty fun

[patent sphinx]

oh i guess i just don't find it that fun in that aspect

i think spending money in mmo to carry my firends would be really cool and fun

[upbeat radish]

i remember doing blackwyrm but cant picture a sajifi anywhere nearby lol

[somber seal]

was more in the camp area where the faction dailies are, and would spawn occasionally

[azure oxide]

i think the most generally satisfying times are usually when they balance a second tier of content

designed around people who actually went for the c6 or got the perfect roll gear etc etc

original bns kind of had that with teh 4 mans with no broadcasts

and china especially had like double/triple hp to make the fights that much harder

[patent sphinx]

that what we would have with BSH

[azure oxide]

i mean, yeah i have no issues with it

[patent sphinx]

lastest content is like if u kept up really hard

[azure oxide]

but its a real issue

[upbeat radish]

i feel like the issue that we're running into with neo is that they're dumbing down the fights, its all dps checks > mechs

[azure oxide]

because theres no easy mode

[patent sphinx]

idk if that true

that only cuz poh mech has been fully guided and figured out on how to cheese it with HM block

[azure oxide]

well, no they didn't actually dumb down any fights, we're doing fights designed 15 yrs ago with skills and rotations designed 4-5 yrs ago

[patent sphinx]

and it is like the first dungeon

[azure oxide]

i remember doing this fight on china

you had to have

[patent sphinx]

highland will have pizza and stuff

[azure oxide]

a bm offtank slashimi's adds

your second tank tank slashimi

ur other two dps would spam whatever they could

no whirling scourge, no wind bd, no lighting flash

[upbeat radish]

from what i've seen of bsh mujin barely does anything, some of the moveset is just like before, never did much, even on naryu lab its just 'tank' holding aggro and everyone free dps

[azure oxide]

the entire BD toolkit was e + hold RMB flaming sword

[upbeat radish]

kr should have silverfrost now i think?

[patent sphinx]

naryu lab has conduct mech

[upbeat radish]

the twins u mean?

[patent sphinx]

yeah

wait what twin

final boss

clown has the bomb mech that everyone failed

[azure oxide]

they didn't change any of the movesets from what i can tell

[upbeat radish]

uh, on final boss i didnt see it do anything lol

[patent sphinx]

[upbeat radish]

there's no clown in neo

[azure oxide]

in poh they even added a freaking jumping mechanic

and require one more person to pull level

[patent sphinx]

poh always had 2 lever no

[azure oxide]

huh, be ido is in neo i'm pretty sure

i remember it had 2 levers

i did not remember having to pull both

[patent sphinx]

yeah u had to

i remember u have to pull both

[azure oxide]

although to be fair once you learn the fight in 24 man you're never pulling it in 4 man

[patent sphinx]

jumping mech is new

[somber seal]

wasnt it 1 i n normal 2 in hard mode?

[upbeat radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI6KB3UckL0&t=953s that's the only mech i see for last boss of naryu

[azure oxide]

i dont remember ever pulling a lever in hard mode

probably because by then you're honestly just iframing it

[patent sphinx]

have u watch the CN fight i linked

there is so many mech in that one

wonder if we will get that

i don't think CN ever got MSP

so KR and CN is different now fully

but

if CN dev has this perfecly good dungeon i don't see why they don't re use it

efleet?

e fleet was wack

[azure oxide]

i think CN got everything lmfao

CN just went even more overboard on everything

its actually

really nice we got rid of 24 man dungeons

[patent sphinx]

^

[azure oxide]

that had to be the most pointless waste of time, no one ever learned any mechanics it feels, because you'd run the "normal mode" 6 man version

and no one would get anything right anyways

so wtf was teh point of the 24 man learning mode

[patent sphinx]

and having to wait and run around

yeah

e fleet was wack

[azure oxide]

at least the later zones were farmable for exp

that one god

on live

who lived in the frost zone?

who was it

[patent sphinx]

asura?

[azure oxide]

OneSun? SunOne?

this hero player who just farmed the ice 24 man zone for like all their hongmoon prestige levels

just chain pulling packs

man was living out the sung jin woo dream 5 yrs before novel written

[analog dragon]

lmfao

[azure oxide]

SOLO LEVELING

yea

its teh big area with teh ice mobs and the stonehenge looking thing

yea it was best exp

but that guy did it alone

long after whales moved onto farming cold storage for exp

and he literally got to like hm 12 or 14 or something insane

[patent sphinx]

buy exp charm

yes

oh

neo u don't need key anymore

and second boss is first boss

[azure oxide]

we ran that cold storage dungeon

like 1500 times

[wispy quiver]

heh i remember SS-ing through doors

[azure oxide]

for the exp

actually best rate possible on live at the time

[patent sphinx]

yeah

SS ogong

[azure oxide]

i was so very happy

when isaw 5mil hp bosses on blue dungeons

like oh this finally gonna be hard and require a little more min maxing

[patent sphinx]

is that the current one

[azure oxide]

no...its just a really really long freaking fight that is pain and suffering

yea

current iteration

bosses had like what

800k hp on live

and we got blue buff and soulburn LOL

poh had like 1.4m

piggy spider etc basically had the hp they have in mushin tower now

[patent sphinx]

poh is a good fight right now imo

[azure oxide]

you could realistically solo blue dungeons

this new one is kinda painful

its like teh chef

[patent sphinx]

blue dungeon is lame cuz they r just big hp painful

also blue dungeon is too hard for noobs i think

[azure oxide]

why did they just quintuple hp but not change mechanics for a miniboss

i mean thats good

because with new questing and gearing

aint no one gonna have learned their class by the time they hit blue dungeons

[patent sphinx]

no noobs i think noobs need something easy

bug is like

suppose to be the gate keep

i like bug alot

[azure oxide]

you know what teh gate keep is supposed to be

naksun

dreadtide arena

that guy

teaches you how to play the game

[patent sphinx]

funfact

F7 got nerfed on KR

wait unless we got the nerfed version

i think bug raid is like if u don't properly DPS u won't clear

that how it was on the first day

except without DPS meter like

u can't rly tell

[upbeat radish]

we can just take a break until asura and clear it with our 700 ap

[patent sphinx]

OMG

the f3 picture hack

good time

sogun lament

[azure oxide]

i lost all my stuff

[upbeat radish]

cant tell what's #4, but the others yeah

[azure oxide]

i could probably find old raid pics

but none with my f3 pic although i just used whatever anime character i was named after

so its not like i did anything novel

[patent sphinx]

i have this one footage

of VT

where there is this

[analog dragon]

saame

[patent sphinx]

super bad whale sin in my party

[azure oxide]

i have no more raid vids sadly

[patent sphinx]

who would do 2x dps of everyone

[azure oxide]

yo that was me

[patent sphinx]

but instantly die and fail the mech of the ball

[azure oxide]

i was the whale wl

who was told to do zero mechs

so i could stand still and dps boss

definitely best job

[patent sphinx]

can u get away with zero mech in VT

[wheat atlas]

wow what game is that, I rather play this game

[azure oxide]

uh is that one teh bug or the demon empress that cagefights you

pizza was BT i think or SK whatever

[patent sphinx]

pizza was BT

VT is the one

with 2 asura

and u have to eat the balls

and u have to cross the river

and then heal the tank

i still have footage of this raid

[frozen timber]

is that back when you actually played good games?

[patent sphinx]

wait

I lowkey like Neo more

For now

[cedar wadi]

We getting this later?

I like this dungeon

[patent sphinx]

Idk

I heard BNS don’t like to make 12 man anymore

[cedar wadi]

well

thats cuz they can barely find 12 people in live

[frozen timber]

I like neo more

because I don't have to spam

[patent sphinx]

Oh that for sure

[analog dragon]

ah yes

The "hey all FM gunner please hold dps for 20seconds" boss

[azure oxide]

i thought this was like the first boss or something

final one is a big queen hornet no

[scarlet iris]

WTB> Blue wind sever*

[azure oxide]

that one had some movement mechs, but nothing major for normal raid players i think? just add targeting or something

[patent sphinx]

Yeah

Queen hive is the dungeon u talking about

[tawny crypt]

Is this zulia raid

I think the last raid i did before i stopped playing was the one with the big robot dude

The one after zulia

[azure oxide]

the last raid i did

was apparently called scarlet empress

found some old ss from that fight

[analog dragon]

the one with lasers?

Iron Conqueror?

[azure oxide]

except apparently i never ss'd actual screen only dps meters haha

if we get to raid again in bns it would be the dream, but game will likely die with nlab

maybe copium for yeti patch and players will still stick around for a bit longer

[tawny crypt]

Yea that one

[analog dragon]

That was before VT i think

Came out on it's own then VT

[azure oxide]

i dont think that was a raid right

that was just like a random fight?

[analog dragon]

It was a raid just 1 boss tho

[tawny crypt]

Oh then i guess vt was the last one i did

[analog dragon]

BT had 4 boss

[azure oxide]

12 players but one boss

[analog dragon]

VT had 3 + iron conqueror

24

then got nerfed to 12 yea

i think was the last "raid" to be 24

[azure oxide]

ah i dont think i ever played a 24 man of any raid unless they were released in NA as 24 man raids

[analog dragon]

but it came out before VT

The released as 24 were Poh (not rly a raid), BT and Iron conqueror

[azure oxide]

only did gloobal raids

[analog dragon]

I thiiiiiiink VT was already 12man

[azure oxide]

BT was 24 man originally?

[analog dragon]

yea

[azure oxide]

i mean on global?

or like korea

[analog dragon]

on NA/EU

The 24 > 12man happened during Iron Conqueror or VT

[azure oxide]

legit no recollection of that

then again i remember i managed to raid bt on both sin and lock

and i'm pretty sure sin was way less geared

[patent sphinx]

BT boss 3

24 man

Crossing field

Xdd

[azure oxide]

so maybe it was 24 man cause unsure if i'd have made it into a raid otherwise

[analog dragon]

was fine

[azure oxide]

crossing field?

was that teh robots

[analog dragon]

the 2 robots

[azure oxide]

that wouuld instakill you?

[analog dragon]

1 .. 2... 3... 4... 5...

[azure oxide]

i dont think any clearing raid did the actual mechanic

NA just mass died, and then party rez

[analog dragon]

During prog u had to do it

then u had enough dps to just mass rez/burst thru it

[azure oxide]

i definitely remember we just mass rezed for first kill

and we killed reasonably early, not server 1 though

i forget who was na guild who did server 1

[analog dragon]

Hallu?

[azure oxide]

probably some crazy geared CN players

[static flint]

peth what was your main during vt/et idr anyone named peth but i know every other name in your dps ss

[tawny crypt]

I want my raven king side boob outfit for my kfm

[latent seal]

For lyn

[upbeat radish]

did someone flip the purple thunder slash, there's no way they were 15k

feel like i saw some for 6k

[frozen timber]

fk

I wish peth goes back to his sin

[latent seal]

@azure oxide go for it

Another dagger

[frozen timber]

lowkey though, for whatever kamisamaa's gear is, he shouldnt have been #2

[azure oxide]

misaka mikoto

i played under spring breeze too

and later under a summoner named LowPingMoreDPS

[upbeat radish]

i felt like back in lost ark, no way it just didnt want to crit

[azure oxide]

this cannot be my fault

i first timed this on my alt

and all the BDs lost monkaS

[frozen timber]

LOL I know it's not your fault I do think that you were gonna top 5 based on gear solely though

[azure oxide]

note the all caps confusion in chat

[frozen timber]

I just think #2 shoudlnt have lost to you

[azure oxide]

damage is low though in general, i'm pretty sure my sin would still outdps my bd but i dont think my sin stands a chance against the 6-12 pt electro pierce players

[analog dragon]

Like shouldve been 1? or lower

[frozen timber]

shoul've been 1

by far too

[visual trench]

Peth doesnt know that all these bds are alts too

[azure oxide]

truee

[nimble bronze]

our gear comparatively

we're all alts compared to y our alt

[frozen timber]

^

[nimble bronze]

kamisama did beat you on my chart though

[analog dragon]

noway i'm censored

[frozen timber]

kamisamaa lost on mine

[analog dragon]

mine too

[nimble bronze]

the only people more geared than you are mistx and kamisama

[frozen timber]

I don't think 1-2 should have been that close just based off gear

[patent sphinx]

bro i came late for 3 min

[nimble bronze]

kamisama is kneecapped by hands or ping one of the two

[upbeat radish]

this is only proof that wind > light

pls sell your purple flashes now

[azure oxide]

how though, i legit have one purple book

[visual trench]

Irl ping

[azure oxide]

oh ping is rough

[patent sphinx]

i came when boss is 40%

ICANT

[frozen timber]

well... I mean

your 1 purple book is 95% of your dmg spread

[analog dragon]

I tanked and idk his front attack patterns lol

got cced a bunch

[frozen timber]

just run in circle

[upbeat radish]

wait u cant get ductile stones other than mushin weekly can u

mf basically 1 tapped all 3 accesories to true?

[frozen timber]

or bought them

[upbeat radish]

ductile?

[frozen timber]

yeah

Also Poyo came late too

[azure oxide]

i mean, for how many people have multiple copies of purple books

[nimble bronze]

nah he wasnt late he was alt tabbed i think

[azure oxide]

i legit expected multiple bds to have two+wind severs

[nimble bronze]

well tech late i guess

[frozen timber]

[analog dragon]

There's no one with multiple wind sever

[upbeat radish]

are u mixing ductile and ascents

[analog dragon]

except like

[nimble bronze]

he plays tnl so

[azure oxide]

*purple wind severs

[analog dragon]

Mist and Aspirins

Everyone else only has one

[nimble bronze]

he 1 tapped all his accs

[analog dragon]

Or have no hands so they odnt show up in the first place

[nimble bronze]

thats why he has full true

[frozen timber]

bro

purple wind severs

is so expensive

ppl can't afford multiple

[novel bronze]

man I just got shade thrown at me because of world boss

[frozen timber]

like storm cleave + flash together might only be +10k only

sometimes not even\

[nimble bronze]

im the one who got the flash for 15k way back

[azure oxide]

yeah but when you tell an assassin main that the purple book for your class is too expensive... yea...

[nimble bronze]

it cost me like nothing for my book

the bds are poorer comparatively to the sins ngl

[frozen timber]

[azure oxide]

but theres so many bds

[nimble bronze]

yeah we're all poor

[azure oxide]

its like power in numbers

[frozen timber]

yeah but they all want

[azure oxide]

do you know how insanely happy i was

[frozen timber]

3 books

[azure oxide]

i could literally just buy every purple book insta outside of the whirling scourge at the time

for a price that was not 10k+ for every skill

[nimble bronze]

maybe its like that for wind

lightning ur not seeing your best book for lower than 30-35

[frozen timber]

its like the same price overall at the end but its so ass

[nimble bronze]

which no one wants to spend

[frozen timber]

lightning is like 3 lump sum

[novel bronze]

I remember how when I swapped, most of the wind books were so cheap and I never felt richer

[frozen timber]

while wind is a massive downpayment + 4-5 mini payments

[novel bronze]

I regret not buying the 6k multi slash

[frozen timber]

bro there was a multislahs for 3k

on 36 patch

LOL

No one realized the book stuff was gonna be so bad

[analog dragon]

Wind sever alone costs more than the 5 purple books i have on

[azure oxide]

storm cleave was 25k x4 listed over the weekend

[nimble bronze]

its not a good book

relatively

99% of bds are stuck behind cd flash wall

[frozen timber]

^

[azure oxide]

lightninf flash i haven't seen go below 40

the cdr one

[frozen timber]

99% of wind bd are stuck behind purple sever wall too

[analog dragon]

there has been lower

[azure oxide]

then you had scourge 20k and connection 15k

[frozen timber]

theres LF CDR for as low as 25k at some point

because out of top 10, 7-8/10 was wind

and ppl just copied

[azure oxide]

i mean wind is

nonmanual anicancel

[analog dragon]

There's a good spread for now

[azure oxide]

so yknow

playable without skill

[frozen timber]

me personally I play manual

[thorny gazelle]

It’s also very ping friendly 🙂

[frozen timber]

my only issue is

auto-GCD screwed up lightning macro

for high ping

[novel bronze]

hey man if anyone on EU stuck behind a wind sever wall that’s purple

I got a 75k deal for you

[tawny crypt]

peth whats your dps

[visual trench]

Ping gatekeeping my dmg

[upbeat radish]

anyone knows someone that can log on kr to check something?

wonder if our moonwater faction tokens can be used to buy #2 bps for pirate accesories

[frozen timber]

can you scroll down on factionmerchant?

[upbeat radish]

wdym

[frozen timber]

well

u can scroll down a lot from faction merchant in kr's shop

[patent sphinx]

u cannot

i checked

only craft

(if i remember right and is not spreading misinfo

[tawny crypt]

i just got this from transmuting blue scraps

and its just an iframe

[patent sphinx]

10k back

[candid verge]

WTB

[weary stone]

WTB storm cleave purple - eu

[mild python]

really 🤡

[weary stone]

thats the price 🙂

[novel bronze]

i would buy it if i was NA

[weary stone]

i am not selling, but cd in eu is typically 30-40k but i saw also 27-29k

[weary stone]

some people think purple books worth 5k at best :DDDD

[mild python]

ive to be honest with u, everytime u talk with me, u sound dumb

the whole week book have been sold for 15-18-19-20k

[weary stone]

15k HAHAHAHAHAHA

[mild python]

i saw 4 sold for those

[weary stone]

Ok bro

then you're a good man for sellnig so cheap, next time continue doing so i will buy them smartass.

[mild python]

im not selling

they are

[weary stone]

then stfu

they are

who is they are???

[mild python]

gimme a sec

[weary stone]

i am playing this game for 2 months now

[mild python]

this guy sold the book for 15k eu moonwater

[weary stone]

only 2 times i saw someone selling below 20k

and thats it

[mild python]

pm him tonight

and then excuse yourself

[weary stone]

my dude, good job you found one who sells this cheap

seriously, you're so smart

like the sucker who bought your lynnblade for 7k

i bought as good for 5k.

literally 2 mins ago

[mild python]

what can i say, its not for everyone i guess

[weary stone]

oh right so you're the type of person "i will sell expensive" and buy cheap. uh huh.

ok bro difference between me and you i am not a piece of t that thinks he can do so.

[mild python]

I buy and sell at price.

[weary stone]

kk smartass.

[mild python]

lil bro, go touch grass drink some water

[weary stone]

lil bro, go check the market thoroughly. and then come back to me.

if it was 15k i would've had 6 of them by now rat.

[mild python]

ur really are dumb, my god, life must be hard, ill be stopping feeding you

[weary stone]

you're right. my bad lil bro.

go ahead drink water you seem angry.

[frozen timber]

I love gamba

[analog dragon]

Do you though

[frozen timber]

Yeah

2% chance for either mushin or jiwan

High rates

[cedar wadi]

The thing is you cant even trust the in game info

epic seven origin is out guys

i gotta go back

[static flint]

WTB Lightning Flash CD Reduce - na

[latent seal]

Epic 8???

[cedar wadi]

no, is the sixth world

still in epic seven

[latent seal]

Ohh

=(

[cedar wadi]

all the artifact character

too sexy

[analog dragon]

Lol someone bought my 3k shockwave to try to flip at 6k...

Does anyone even care for shockwave 💀

[cedar wadi]

I put mine away

rather have a green add dmg

[latent seal]

Who was talking about this the other day?

People applying the same move in NA now

Time to block people

[desert scroll]

You mean the spam ?

[analog dragon]

Yea

Yanyan does that all the time lol

Already have him blocked

The others usually do it at nighttime, mostly the chineses

With their ++++++++++++++++++++++

[upbeat radish]

i have so many ppl blocked from group/sell spam

[analog dragon]

But most went to TW already so its been less bad

[analog dragon]

Yea idk why ppl do it lmao

Its not making anyone notice it more. Just makes ppl wanna block you

[latent seal]

The people not using party finder

It exists for something right?

[frozen timber]

No

You can use any

Just dont mega spam

[analog dragon]

Yea posting in world is fine. Spamming it 8 times in a row is dumb lol

[frozen timber]

Nah these mods

Lowkey super out of touch

[short harbor]

Can i get a price check for NA market

• Saw people talking about 10k being a steal earlier
• Something something market is around 15-20k?
• What other reason is there that the one currently up on the market for 15k (been relisted over past few days at 15k yet it hasnt been bought) beside nobody on this present timeline wants it

[frozen timber]

Because too many and I think most ppl that want it have it

Just wait post-patch

Its a 10-15% dmg increase

[short harbor]

hm ok tyty

[analog dragon]

Itll go up after patch most likely

Ppl will have more gems to spend from selling new geae

And theyll realise they need it to push the dps check

15k is a good deal but just nobody affording it right now ig

The other one sold at 12.5k i think

[upbeat radish]

what new gear will they sell if cant do the dps

[analog dragon]

Crafting

Belts from CS

[upbeat radish]

i kinda expect market to crash right away from crafts but feel like most ppl wont bother

like on weapons i just went at a loss and ended up using it, too hard to get lucky

[analog dragon]

I mean, trash accs sure

But the crit liners will be expensive for a bit

[frozen timber]

Ya a lot of ppl arr coping and like

“Already have dmg, 15k on bbr”

[analog dragon]

They gonna hit a wall

[frozen timber]

Might nit even be close to 8k on bsh

[upbeat radish]

tbf everyone been saying piercing didnt matter for pve since 36

[frozen timber]

A full piercing build

Vs a full crit build

Is only a 5% dmg difference

Based off math I’ve seen

[analog dragon]

Mostly cause it never did in live bar a handful of bosses. You only went for like 10% piercing

So ppl just repeating Live info

[upbeat radish]

i think we do have higher base stats, like im ~1k/1k for piercing and accuracy, maybe some classes have it harder

if we really needed to, could use piercing primers but im not rushing anyways, probably gonna get some lvls before doing bsh

[frozen timber]

You want piercing but its closer to

If u get it unuse it

[analog dragon]

Personally i prefer seeing yellow numbers than higher whites

[frozen timber]

Nah its really like

Why would i get 100 crit for ~0.5 crit chance when I can get 100 piercing for ~1% dmg boost

[analog dragon]

Yea at high end. I meant more your full crit vs full pierce example

[little quiver]

Lighting flash purple 40k

Insane

[short harbor]

@frozen timber do you know what piercing stat like hard/soft cap is atm/going into next patch?

[haughty pumice]

Buying Lightning Flash cooldown and 7 Times Storm Cleave; everything epic.

[somber seal]

Is it on purple sever? Or in general? Is this a reasonable first purple to pick up?

[analog dragon]

10% at blue sever

Probably 15 at purple

[upbeat radish]

word of mouth is that we need about 1200 piercing for lvl 51 boss with lvl 50 characters

who's mouth? idk

[analog dragon]

Personally id suggest picking the wind charge buffs as first purple

(Almost) 100% uptime wind charge feels night and day diff compared to blue uptime

[somber seal]

Thanks, thats what I was thinking

I was planning on grabbing multislash first, but thought if whirling was around the same price it might be good to grab that early instead

[analog dragon]

I wouldnt buy multi same price

Multi/wind slash/skyward at like 5-7k. Higher feels scam

[somber seal]

fair, you know anyone selling?

[analog dragon]

Not personally but thats usually how low I see them go before selling

[somber seal]

Thanks, Ill keep an eye out

[little minnow]

Absolutely not, I'm at like 1.5k piercing and still not doing full dmg on bug
Unless I misunderstand something 🕵️‍♂️

[analog dragon]

Its not about doing full dmg. Its about not getting blocked/evade

[desert scroll]

That should only be accuracy

[little minnow]

Yeah... Lol
Last time I missed on a boss I was lvl 48

[desert scroll]

Piercing is how much dmg goes through a block

if the game tooltip is to be believed

[analog dragon]

You would need 100% def pierce to full.dmg and even with the inflated stats on live i dont think you can reach 100%

[analog dragon]

Mb i thought pierce was against block, acc against evade

[desert scroll]

I thought that too tbh until like 3 days ago when I double checked the tooltips lmao

[little minnow]

Really? I am doing full damage to blue/supply chain dungeons, just not bug
Well not really sure how piercing works, but if it increases your dmg, can't go wrong with more

[analog dragon]

But regardless same end result. You cant full pierce def, youjust want enough to be valuable per-stat since it also has diminishing return

[desert scroll]

If the ingame tooltip is to be believed, piercing just makes the blocks/evades reduce your dmg less (basically just a pvp stat)

[little minnow]

half the tooltips in this game make no sense tbh

[analog dragon]

Probably blues just dont have def to begin with.

I dont do more dmg on poh than on BBR

[frozen timber]

Piercing is ignore def

Issue is

The more u have the less effective