i was just rolling cards because i wanted to roll cards
#Summoner
brittle gust
Hornet can have 48gm
true stirrup
Hornet can have 48gm
wym hornet can have 78 GM
true stirrup
Hornet can have 48gm
if i had all purples it would be 78
brittle gust
Functional build
true stirrup
Functional build
dont really need anything else cat Q can focus sustain me
true stirrup
Just need mantras <:YEP:1341470121419608154>
i got mantras
focus one
still need Q
and need C for defense down debuff
but our GOAT summoner
brittle gust
Is not sustaining urself its sustaining the hungry party
true stirrup
Then need to re-summoner for defense downnn
brittle gust
I could leave the a macro down and it will sustain itself
true stirrup
I could leave the a macro down and it will sustain itself
on hornets?
brittle gust
Ye
true stirrup
i focus starve just on rotation
brittle gust
Sometimes I just go make a drink and the dummie hexwood mobs dies
brittle gust
Idk why they made it a 9m tank dps dummie
prime salmon
Should summoners be purely dps or sacrifice dps for utility? Some people have told me what's the point of playing dps only summoner if a similarly geared dps class out dps's a geared dps summoner?
true stirrup
Sometimes I just go make a drink and the dummie hexwood mobs dies
are you defense hammering on CD?
thats large focus drain
true stirrup
maybe its the evasion rate
true stirrup
Maybe ur 900 accuracy doesnโt hold up
i had 1500 accuracy getting 96% hit rate lol
brittle gust
U need 1880
true stirrup
I think its levels though
true stirrup
U need 1880
i use EXP badges so i have no accuracy on my badges lol
true stirrup
my FM has 1420 accuracy with EXP badges though and has ~98.1-98.5% hit rate at level 56
my summoner has like 95.8-96.1% hit rate with 1500 accuracy at level 53 on same tree boss
rigid delta
Should summoners be purely dps or sacrifice dps for utility? Some people have to...
This arguments always boils down to
Play another class if you feel that way
Just play whatever spec you want
I don't care about the party and go full dps
You get so many bad people the utility isn't worth it
Id rather just be the highest dps
Hornets summoner feels like a bigger investment if you wanna do damage
Plus aoe on flower goes crazy. I cant imagine having to single target mobs down
prime salmon
You get so many bad people the utility isn't worth it
Yeah, before MW3 I was strictly doing dps and was almost always top or 2nd for dps. For MW3 current content, I was asked to take defense reduction even though I'm on sunflower along with other utility skills so I sacrificed a lot of my DPS for utility.
rigid delta
I personally think hammer spec on flower is dumb
In kr they don't even run that utility
Just go full dps if youre gonna flower
prime salmon
Yeah, but if a lot of parties want it ig I gotta take it lol
rigid delta
I don't think I've ever had a party tell me to put it on lol
prime salmon
I also said that in KR summoners don't take utility but I was told what's the point of summoner then ๐ just play FM ๐ญ
prime salmon
You get so many bad people the utility isn't worth it
Also, I regularly play with whales/strong players so the utility is helpful bc they're good
prime salmon
My ms is terrible ๐ญ regularly at 130+ ms. My fps is bad too but it's decent on sunflower. Just do 1-2 less super sun's than other summoners
prime salmon
๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ Hornet isn't meant for us lower lifeforms..
steel python
You shouldn't be missing any super sunflowers at 130 though
prime salmon
You shouldn't be missing any super sunflowers at 130 though
Both my fps and ms is trash LOL
Double whammy
rigid delta
Ping kinda matters with honey buff now
If you're trying to squeeze in a flower during buff
steel python
Yeah fps might be issue
rigid delta
Bad ping will straight up miss the last second
prime salmon
My entire pc boo boo
river light
WTB Purple Sunflower NA PMO!
rigid delta
Why upgrade computer when you can gamble legendary skills
prime salmon
WTB Purple Sunflower NA PMO!
Same
steel python
True
river light
Yeah, sell us 2, 1 for each of us here 
prime salmon
Pho istg you've been buying sunflowers every day ๐ญ how many more do u need?!
river light
I legit have been able to buy just 1 singular one
It's actual depression
They're going to end me if I can't find more, someone send halp 
prime salmon
I'm assuming u don't wanna buy at 55k or 50k o;? I saw a few on F5 a couple of days ago and it eventually got bought out
rigid delta
No ones selling lower then 50-60k
Summoner does too much damage for the skill to drop
Unless people quit
river light
True
Where are the summoner whales that are like BD, and will buy sunflower again at 100k
river light
Yeah fun times
rigid delta
They got that 6k dps return though
river light
I remember my friend getting the sunflower blue book from bound book 
rigid delta
As much as green book fm dps
river light
You know what we need, a class change coupon that lets us change books too
How nice that would be
river light
It's okay I'm trapped on BD, I have 4 bound severs
rigid delta
I need that focus pin for beluga though
prime salmon
I got bound purp rumblebees lol
rigid delta
Seems like a game changer
prime salmon
I wanna play bees but not enough of them to stack
rigid delta
I remember purple bees were like 6k
Then they spiked
Neo bees are just terrible
I went on live and cried spamming bees
Same with lmb
prime salmon
I used to see bees for 2k or 3k max. Now for some reason they're 5k lol
rigid delta
Lmb is so slow now
No more ani cancel flower
I miss being able to proc briar patch off of root
So dumb that you can't
prime salmon
Can't you still do that?
true stirrup
I don't think I've ever had a party tell me to put it on lol
sunflower more annoying to hammer but if hornets might as well put it on
rigid delta
Yeah bees default hammer should be on
true stirrup
dont lose anything to hammer it for me
its bugged atm and does double damage too
hugeee
rigid delta
Hammer does?
true stirrup
Hammer does?
Defense hammer does 2x damage
and Strike speed increase does 0x
it doesnt do any damage on speed increase
doesnt appear in combat logs
it only does the animation with no damage
true stirrup
Hammer does?
They changed it to this
rigid delta
Can they revert cat back to live cat
true stirrup
removed the additional damage on 5 poison stacks
but if it has 5 poison stacks atm it deals the listed damage 2x
rigid delta
That's pretty good
rigid delta
Id run it with legendary flower
Too much focus issues as is
Can't imagine using hammer on top of that
prime salmon
Yeah I went from 22k+ dps (average gear) to 18k dps to hammer lol
true stirrup
hammer small dps up even on dummy for me
decently large on hae mujin and tree dungeon boss it seem
petal storm toss big dps increase
prime salmon
I'm assuming ur hornet o: I tried it on sunflower and it grief'd my focus
Esp with hammer it'd cook me ๐ญ
true stirrup
I'm assuming ur hornet o: I tried it on sunflower and it grief'd my focus
im using hornet
i salvaged my blue bound sunflowers
prime salmon
Wtf ๐ญ you shouldve just kept it
true stirrup
Wtf ๐ญ you shouldve just kept it
maybe ill roll sunflowers to sell
cant have anything in my character that is related to sunflower
otherwise itll never drop
the very next book after i salvaged the sunflower soul and mystic badges + bound blues
was a sunflower i opened
rigid delta
Clawnado inc
solemn oar
hopefully clawnado will never become meta 
odd yacht
WTS EU
chrome epoch
iam first
river light
maybe ill roll sunflowers to sell
If you get some, let me know 
chrome epoch
if @karmic flint leaves he sells sunflowers to me first ๐
@spiral dagger u stole enough already
chrome epoch
NEIN
spiral dagger
bitte
chrome epoch
chrome epoch
xD
odd yacht
just jump
spiral dagger
better give me more tips how to beat @zinc vault 
chrome epoch
swipe more
odd yacht
gamble more
zinc vault
spiral dagger
maiden flint
It's okay I'm trapped on BD, I have 4 bound severs
what even have u been doing, bm to bd, to 2nd bd and now smn
river light
<:bns_bursting:1198525065281671249> what even have u been doing, bm to bd, to 2n...
new phone who dis
maiden flint
just fellow rat, sold u a thunderstorm book long ago 
river light
Oh that long ago
Also, to correct you here, I was actually starting out from launch day: BM > FM > DES > BM > BD > BM > BD
Low key want to play kfm but also don't want to with my terrible ping
chrome epoch
Donโt give fusel it maybe he beats me then
trail notch
which card set are y'all running for sf
gusty kiln
I'm running smite, detect and onrush. If you have good card sets that don't take too many slots you can fit in drain as well
gusty kiln
Maybe itโs just player skill issue but when I remove detect I do zero damage
spiral dagger
fast quartz
PRICE on purple rumble bee NA
tawdry orbit
WTS EU
steel python
Same prices as yesterday
I feel like its same person with 3 books spacing it out 
spiral dagger
WTS EU PMO
spiral dagger
serene grotto
Bro u spam what dungeon to lv up so fast?
spiral dagger
tree+cs/bsh1/bsh2+tree on potion
if u can't tree just spam bsh1/2 with friends + exp bonus (200 combat xp minimum)
or if u have enough dps just spam DUO CS with 4 ppl (45lvl in party for more exp)
spiral dagger
yes, some ppl on EU already 'abuse it' or 'use it' hard to tell
but u are getting more exp while u are 55 and have 45 peeps in party
serene grotto
I see
steel python
serene grotto
How much xp tree give?
spiral dagger
yup
steel python
(also you can get away with more xp gear in hae mujin)
spiral dagger
tree with 55lvl, 200% combat exp is like almost 9k~ for full dung (b1/b2)
but 15 stam, that's why we are trying to min-max exp and do 3 dungs in 1 potion, than just 2 tree
serene grotto
so at lv 55 (200%). Hae Mujin 12 blessing gives 6k xp. Tree 15 blessing give 9k
spiral dagger
yes, so to min-max your exp on potion(30 blessing) u are doing: tree (9k) (-15 bless) + bsh2 (6k) (-12 bless) and tree (9k) (-3 bless)
steel python
I think you're rounding a bit much on Hae Mujin, I remember him having a base of 3.7k XP
With twin ofc
serene grotto
for tree, you can get tree1/2 with just 3 blessing ?
spiral dagger
1st boss is 2 bless
serene grotto
oh nice
spiral dagger
so u have 1 bless to last boss
serene grotto
gm 44 sunflower. 1053ap, 1400 acc. 4.2k crit, 3.5k crit dmg qualify for tree ?
spiral dagger
seems huge, idk why u didnt try it yet lol
but seems like u offer only dps for your party 
serene grotto
i hear people say need 1800 acc
spiral dagger
????????
serene grotto
i can change to 30gm with utility and def down
spiral dagger
gm 44 sunflower. 1053ap, 1400 acc. 4.2k crit, 3.5k crit dmg qualify for tree ?
#1357802662992675099 message
it is with 1223 acc
serene grotto
sunflower can do occasional def down. impossible to 100% uptime
spiral dagger
no1 expect from you to have 100% uptime tbh
serene grotto
i do 100% uptime with my hornet alt
spiral dagger
that's cool but it is possible only with hornet build and with hornet u have less dps. soo..
serene grotto
why i dont like hornet is because of single target
spiral dagger
i was playing sunflower > hornet then back to sunflower again and i guess i will not going back to hornet for a while
serene grotto
u got a legend sunflower right ?. i have no luck. not trying for it anymore
spiral dagger
no
serene grotto
i just dont like it when i was running the dg map and aggroed some trash mob and its difficult to kill with hornet
karmic flint
if <@200315299541549057> leaves he sells sunflowers to me first ๐
Depends who pays more :^)
chrome epoch
Depends who pays more :^)
true stirrup
i hear people say need 1800 acc
Nah my summoner has like 1400 accuracy level 54, 969 AP 30 GM hornets
And I do reasonable enough damage lol
Just keep defense down on 100% uptime
steel python
How much are you doing right now?
solid kestrel
acc is overrated especially on hornet imo
I'm running like 1000-1200 depending on current psyche luck and it seems totally fine if you get crit instead
you definitely run into focus issues though missing hits but that's where you just cat q
gusty kiln
Detect hard carries
chrome epoch
Detect hard carries
can u explain
gusty kiln
Miss an attack then you get guaranteed crit. Crit don't miss
Detect with 1200 accuracy is doing way more damage for me than no detect 1750 accuracy was doing. It hurts to drop CR or CD for more accuracy
shadow plank
And is next 2 hits no only one
gusty kiln
Combine with onrush and Taeja mantras and you're good to go
warped basin
According the detect effect description you get 2 crit hits upon you block or evade enemy hits not when the enemy evades yours hits. Unless translation/description is wrong.
gusty kiln
Description is dead wrong
spiral dagger
it is wrong
but it works when u have 'evade' on your screen.
just wrong translate or something, like always
warped basin
aha, for me with 1240 accurancy, i get like 1-2 evades on hae mujin each run and with lvl 56 probably none so the effect becomes useless... until we go the the next dungeons :p
gusty kiln
I wouldn't call 174 CD from big guns useless unless you have amazing bonds already
spiral dagger
but bro, u can get evade cuz of 'skill of mujin' like jump or something, same wiht some asassin on instances.. it is not because u "miss" cuz low accuracy
also your cat can miss, so u will see evade on your screen too.
warped basin
that is what i am telling, i dont see the evade on my screen 1-2 times, also if you your skill does not hit the boss does not get the evade status, if it did then we would should 1 on air and next on the boss to get the guaranteed hits
gusty kiln
If you feel you don't need it more power to you. But our class has the lowest base accuracy and it's not close. Seems easier to run one card set than to use resources to pump our dump stat, especially with card sets going up to 20 in a later patch
tawdry orbit
Will there be a slot for the character 1 more that would be able to play on Steam version?
lament skiff
I think the announcement said no
spiral dagger
4th slot will be when warlock comes
solid kestrel
WTB Legendary Hornet Nest (NA)
rigid delta
If you feel you don't need it more power to you. But our class has the lowest ba...
Yeah if flower you need
Missing 2 times with flower screws over your entire rotation
Bees can get away with it
tawdry orbit
I think the announcement said no
y looks like scam
tawdry orbit
4th slot will be when warlock comes
hah oke xD
solid kestrel
aren't they just going to add 2 new regions here in the launcher?
since it's separate servers or are they still going to be on the same region but somehow not connected
lament skiff
We'll find out tomorrow
I imagine the new EU server will simply become an option when you create a character
quartz mortar
whoever is doing this stop it
quartz mortar
wtff
tidal spindle
hi all, is sunflower ping dependant? and if have big ping, better be sunflower or hornets? thank you
severe cargo
since it's separate servers or are they still going to be on the same region but...
If its anything like lost ark ignite servers. Same region but servers arent connected in auction house. So im assuming our 3 character count is shared between these
severe cargo
if you think that is a lot, check out these gloves for 20k <:Giggle:503884984621...
Market as cooked as the day i left it 
solid kestrel
Market as cooked as the day i left it <:bns_scream:1198525957418532954>
no items and if there is something up it's a scam 
solid kestrel
hi all, is sunflower ping dependant? and if have big ping, better be sunflower o...
your focus regen is a bit wonky and a tick late with high latency so it can get weird with sunflower, at least that was my experience
overall though sun is still better than hornet with high ping because you should still get 12 ssf
severe cargo
They lowkey need to increase drops
lament skiff
Especially the 20 green boxes
solid kestrel
legendary dungeon btw, 1 key & 1 green book owob
if it wasn't for the tiny chance of ascension stones and all the exp i'd rather grind mujin
shadow plank
WTSell Purple Prickly Stance & Doom N Gloom EU Pm
paper trench
who is the sad man
river light
WTB Purple Sunflower NA PMO!
lament skiff
lol
warped marlin
wts purple hornet purple drain EU
spiral dagger
wts purple hornet purple drain EU
quit?
warped marlin
tbf i have been barely playing but imma play some on the new servers and need some money for it
and am not willing to actually pay for stuff lol
sturdy orbit
Should I move blue drain to make room for purple hornet nest?
maiden flint
I'm not stacking purples but kinda tempted to take off drain, short range so u're probably missing it anyways, don't need book for badge
Unless u can play melee in a fight
spiral dagger
but purple giving u more dps cuz of honey buff.. if u think it doesnt matter and u dont need it, do w/e you want.
idk why u have problem to stay 5m or come closer in fight to use 1 skill lol
trail notch
does sumn have bleed
steel python
scratch (x) on a pinned enemy, needs a book tho so not many people run it
rumblebees too but that's trolling
odd yacht
Still selling +10 sunflower soul badge eu ๐
maiden flint
but purple giving u more dps cuz of honey buff.. if u think it doesnt matter and...
i do have blue drain so no honey
but can be messy with timings if u close in to use the 5m skill and range bait comes up
gusty kiln
if you think that is a lot, check out these gloves for 20k <:Giggle:503884984621...
Def not worth 20k. I paid 15 for a much better one
The last one I saw sell for 20 was 3 mantra 70/70+
lean juniper
imo a real whale gear would be u upgrade it all the way from purple, instead of using the dropped leg one
ashen monolith
imo a real whale gear would be u upgrade it all the way from purple, instead of ...
Isn't that just spending without thinking?
gusty kiln
If youโre gonna ascend something it should be the staff
Ascent rates from salvaging are terrible and the upgrade is such a low chance. The accessories lower priority than weapon
white remnant
this is worth up to True?
145 CD how much is goes up? if is true siren.
tawdry orbit
this is worth up to True?
145 CD how much is goes up? if is true siren.
nobody need second stat defence
gusty kiln
The amount it goes up is random. Could go up +0 could go up all the way to max.
white remnant
i have another Siren but, Crit rate 56 nd Crit damage 88
its is better?
gusty kiln
this is worth up to True?
145 CD how much is goes up? if is true siren.
I think itโs more worth to buy a base siren cr cd x3 mantra when it appears on f5 and ascend that
Sometimes people undervalue their stuff by a lot
white remnant
i have another Siren but, Crit rate 56 nd Crit damage 88
its is better?
then this one its better than Crit Dam 145?
gusty kiln
i have another Siren but, Crit rate 56 nd Crit damage 88
its is better?
Itโs better if it has soul core and mantra slots
white remnant
The weapon has a core slot but no mantra ๐ .
gusty kiln
Crit rate mantra is kinda insane for flower not sure itโs worth to use a staff without them
gusty kiln
Doesnโt have to be 3 mantra if you put purples in them. 2 purples should be similar to 3 blues
brittle gust
Hmm do I stay with 2 mantra or upgrade a new one 
gusty kiln
need to buy wb weapon i think
Good luck with timestream if you go for it. Highly contested
Other classes salvaging weapons for more stones for awakening
spiral dagger
2 mantra is good enough, if u put 2 purples
i know, it was a joke
my whole gear has 3 manta slots, earrings 2
weapon 0
brittle gust
Panic buy all the weapons
spiral dagger
for now, it is ok. i will change it someday
white remnant
What is the average price for great cr cd staff? Basic siren
brittle gust
Dw it all will be scrapped in 2months with silverfrost
spiral dagger
i bought mine without mantras for like 5k i guess
gusty kiln
Did anyone buy this? First 3 mantra Iโve seen in awhile on f5
spiral dagger
now i have almost max cd and 'good' crit rate
are u on NA?
why are u still in game
brittle gust
Man is the chosen one
spiral dagger
is he testing summoner skills?
ok
i did my first attempt for lege neck
and failed ๐ฆ
gusty kiln
WTB x3 mantra cr cd pirate/blood mane glove and x3 mantra cr cd pirate belt NA
brittle gust
Save ur gems jezz
gusty kiln
Good luck with the next tap!
brittle gust
gusty kiln
How was everyoneโs ascent stone luck? I two tapped my weapon ascension and havenโt tried anything else yet
brittle gust
I ainโt going back to green hornets
spiral dagger
'IT IS BECAUSE U NEED TO CATCH OTHER SERVERS'
gusty kiln
Even if they do Iโm not starting over
gusty kiln
Miss me with grinding isnignias again
gusty kiln
92 right now
gusty kiln
someday i will get lege sunflower, 4now im good
iirc youโre EU?
ashen monolith
Did anyone buy this? First 3 mantra Iโve seen in awhile on f5
Good one
gusty kiln
Okay good Iโm not competing with you for gold flower then
brittle gust
Damn I forgot the guy who had leg sunflower
Itโs gonna be rough getting top 5 soon
gusty kiln
Thereโs two of them in EU right
gusty kiln
NA hit x3 bees, x1 vine whip, x1 hornet and x2 speed hammer that I know of
lament skiff
triguun?
gusty kiln
Tested the bees with speed hammer in pvp. The damage was negative
lament skiff
You healed them?
brittle gust
Hornet is not weak but out classed by purple sf stacking
ashen monolith
Hornet is not weak but out classed by purple sf stacking
It is easy to use and have a bunch of window for util and mobilities
spiral dagger
dmg is also nice, but less spammable compare to sunflower
brittle gust
Yeh itโs nice doing steady 24k in hex wood
gusty kiln
Hornet was kinda fun. I would switch back if I had a gold
brittle gust
Eye keep trying to buy it off me
spiral dagger
hahahah
brittle gust
I said 300k
spiral dagger
tell him 1kk divine and u will think about this
brittle gust
brittle gust
He offered me 90k
spiral dagger
???????
gusty kiln
90 isnโt even an offer lol
gusty kiln
Even bees should sell above 90 for the reroll later
spiral dagger
no, better no
brittle gust
Jk
brittle gust
Man said when u quit or go to steam sell me it
spiral dagger
but i remember the day when i quit sunflower and go back to hornet 'again'
and eye bought my stuff
then in next 3-4 days? everything went down with prices
brittle gust
The best part about hornet is clearing the 3 mobs before bsh1 tresher
U can just stand on box and taunt with cat
spiral dagger
and kill it in next 5 min cuz single target
so happy for you
while 'we' sunflower users JUST PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
gusty kiln
I usually run down there solo before even recruiting, clear that part out and make portal
brittle gust
Even made a macro to use a with
spiral dagger
i need you on exile someday to boost my dps
or on mujin
cuz im close to emraell if numbers on azura beans are real
spiral dagger
rly????? why lol
gusty kiln
Does that thing auto post to leaderboards or do you have to configure it
brittle gust
Gets depressing seeing Fms doing 50k
brittle gust
And kfms
brittle gust
Maybe moro soon
spiral dagger
Does that thing auto post to leaderboards or do you have to configure it
auto if u configure it
gusty kiln
I gotta set that up and see how badly Iโm underperforming ๐คฃ
true stirrup
How much are you doing right now?
20k on tree guy
deep marsh
https://yast.vercel.app/skill?id=155653&variation=1&lang="EN"&p="NEOEU040625" if you go up the id's from there, possibly headbut books? but why? they aren't good, thats why headbut is trash?
spiral dagger
what
deep marsh
Or is it a combined book with scratch and it does not work and is buggy? (same resist line
text and combo text for headbut)
spiral dagger
it is not. it is just spell
u are using TAB to grab (4 sec) > then X to extend duration (like 3s?) and then C to do it even more
why not working, what u mean lol
deep marsh
Klick on the link and go the id's up from there
Or am I the only one that don't know that headbutt changes with scratch book? ๐คฃ
spiral dagger
oh i see what u mean, that's weird
but i dont think it changes with book, have to try this also there is 'headbut with -30% def for 10s' - there is no scratch version like this, only tab (smoothering paw) so.. maybe it is what it is
leaden lance
yes we would
empty portal
๐ฃ
deep marsh
oh i see what u mean, that's weird
but i dont think it changes with book, have t...
There's scratch bleed, which goes with the poison exploding headbutt. There's poison scratch, which goes with the def reducing headbutt. There's PvP scratch, which goes with the unconscious headbutt. I think
solid kestrel
imo a real whale gear would be u upgrade it all the way from purple, instead of ...
there aren't even double crit 3 mantra purple gloves or bracelets on the market or I'd be working on that owo
gusty kiln
Sorry I bought up the bracelets
Time for some bsh2 summoner only multi so we can print more bracelets
spiral dagger
Like on kr is doing lab only summoners
rigid delta
2 targets op
spiral dagger
They canโt be too close anyway so idk ๐คท if 16m is ok, first I need 57/68 lvl to try
rigid delta
I think its 20?
been years since ive been in lab though
is it half the dungeon
or all of it
solid kestrel
if only we could queue together I'd join all sum bsh runs
but finding enough on viridian would be hard 
rigid delta
They should just merge the servers
vr and bamboo just live off of heavens reach splits lmao
or at least merge bamboo with vr
those 40min world bosses are something else
spiral dagger
They should merge old servers while open new steam server, it would be awesome ๐
But we need to wait like 3 months for that
lean juniper
i will make a BD on steam server to get a feeling of it
i feel NEO is more or less pushing SUM to be support
lean juniper
sad. i wanted to play with cat but being forced to play support is killing my drive
wet jacinth
Well... Yes...
wet jacinth
sad. i wanted to play with cat but being forced to play support is killing my dr...
Go full dps sunflower then
Ull do 70% of a fm's dps 
lean juniper
i did. now as f2p i deal 24-26k in hex
wet jacinth
That's good
spiral dagger
??
lean juniper
but i think with BD i can deal much more
spiral dagger
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wet jacinth
Most other players cant even do that p2w let alone f2p
spiral dagger
Pic or didnโt happen
lean juniper
zinian almost did 28k yesterday tho
wet jacinth
Who?
wet jacinth
Who cares what other ppl do, I can compare myself to the top players and then realise, OH wait I don't have 5k cc debt
spiral dagger
lean juniper
yea i no lifed pretty hard. but was struggling to find party. i remember when CS came out, i got rejected so many times, it was like, i pmed people to ask if they need a sum
i never want to go through that again
wet jacinth
Summ is a prety popular class and u don't rlly want two
So that's not very weird.
(also i insta decline every summ without c-def reduc)
spiral dagger
i never want to go through that again
What is ur name in game
wet jacinth
Secret 
lean juniper
no share on id but
spiral dagger
wet jacinth
Just share your ign u shady fak
lean juniper
no i live in shadow
wet jacinth
spiral dagger
So u are crying no1 wants you
But u donโt want to give us ur nickname
Ok? 
I could take u
But I donโt know u (?)
lean juniper
oh god not 2 sf sum
spiral dagger
Itโs op dude
lean juniper
i do find parties now, i just meant back then
gusty kiln
2 sf 1 hornet 1 puncture bm ez clap
wet jacinth
Share you naaaaaaaaaaame
wet jacinth
2 sf 1 hornet 1 puncture bm ez clap
I would like to be that bm
lean juniper
my id is Kawaii
lean juniper
spiral dagger
???
lean juniper
jkjk
lean juniper
i give u a hint, kac
spiral dagger
wet jacinth
Something tells me he does like 10k xile dps
spiral dagger
Wow
wet jacinth
lean juniper
18k was the price
spiral dagger
Dude
If I should remember everyone with who I am chatting in game and buy items
Damn
wet jacinth
Yes u should
spiral dagger
Sick
lean juniper
a secret makes a cat cat
gusty kiln
Hornet donโt miss when your opponent stands on sloped surfaces. Flower is just sad
spiral dagger
Gz
rigid delta
when you can't tab escape pin the mirror gets pretty one sided if its flower vs hornets
especially if petal storm is thrown up
flower can dps just you through it
same goes for fm and veil
serene grotto
with focus dmg pin, its easier to do kill now with SF
used to be in situation when cat pin but out of focus
rigid delta
yeah if you dont day break before a pin
flower runs into kill issues
flower in general you're just sitting there focus starved
serene grotto
thats why i play defensive SF. 6.5k defense with 1.5k evasion. i just go to opponent base and hold to 2-3 players
rigid delta
Its the nice thing about bees
serene grotto
and dandelion spam. they cant kill me and they need to defend
serene grotto
i use the 6 sec dandelion
rigid delta
I just daze so I can go for kills
serene grotto
i ll just run around in circles in their base
rigid delta
its kinda useless againts some classes though
but against fm and summoner
itll pretty much win you the 1v1
how much damage are you doing def stacking?
serene grotto
i m just playing like a sin. hide mode, steal, disturb
rigid delta
I havent given it a try
serene grotto
i have 900 ap despite the HP , def and evaision stacking
i normally do around 300-400k dmg a run
i roll with 170k hp
rigid delta
I should look into a set
roll hp into prof 5-8
there was this bamboo des that had like 300k hp
unkillable
rigid delta
are you just using normal siren acc
Ive wanted to do it
but ill drop so much ap using that
rigid delta
hmmm. Could always pick up some def/hp ones and see how it goes
Theres not that many destros running around though thankfully
execute just deletes me
rigid delta
I haven't seen anyone clarity charm yet
serene grotto
and when the pill effect gone, i bestie and heal back
practically i can annoy the opponents for quite a long period
rigid delta
yeah summoners just really hard to pvp with on neo
serene grotto
i apply sin's strategy in lagoon. hide, steal, annoy
rigid delta
cat delay is so bad
Aerial just does not work most of the time
and its a lot harder to cat pin someone out of block
uncut fable
my id is Kawaii
he's me, I approve (share wealth)
serene grotto
the other sunflower skill that consume 5 focus. is good for pvp
it ignore parry
so u cannot be countered
rigid delta
which ones that
serene grotto
the skill on 2
rigid delta
ohh
serene grotto
which most people lock in pve
rigid delta
yeah I dont wanna give up cc
serene grotto
the only skill that u can hit BD and Destroyer and they cannot stun u back
rigid delta
I just dont like that it animation locks you
yeah I love that you can get parried in petal storm
serene grotto
u can play around with it
uncut fable
LMB used to pierce parry
serene grotto
does decent good damage
uncut fable
๐ญ
uncut fable
on live yes
rigid delta
now you just have to watch them
uncut fable
gutted summoner in neo ๐
rigid delta
I just pray they dont attack me at this point
yeah summoners so bad in beluga
when a lot of classes can delete you almost instantly
uncut fable
sumburst hits like a wet noodle though
serene grotto
in pve the dmg suck
lean juniper
he's me, I approve (share wealth)
i will, brother
serene grotto
in lagoon the damage is quite okie. its a filler skill when ur overflow ending
and u dont need to worry about being countered
uncut fable
i just play mini-sin and keep people in combat with my cat :)))))
rigid delta
if someones smart
theyll just walk behind the horn
and the cat just goes full brain damage and gets stuck
Theres a lot of things you can do to exploit summoner in beluga
thankfully no one really does them
serene grotto
thats why u always need to E the cat whenever u changing direction
rigid delta
if you spec short E
although I should probably switch back to that E
Kd E is nice. But you can't use it cc'd anymore
rigid delta
aoe pull was so bad
des could C out of the animation
and all melee could q/e it before they fell
I used the KB E on live
blocked approach as well
patent briar
and they do so much damage relative to their gear compared to summoner
I used to bring petal storm and tumble roll but eventually I gave up on the 2nd pvp accessory set
serene grotto
just dont hit FM. bait with dandelion, and root/cc
patent briar
I now just run all the focus regen skills and just try to dps race people down
serene grotto
until they finish their tab/1
chrome epoch
if you think that is a lot, check out these gloves for 20k <:Giggle:503884984621...
scaaaaaaaaaam
serene grotto
then cat pin them
rigid delta
I hate ice fms
they really need E to cleanse chill again
Its so dumb
they gave us tumble roll but no sweet wish
serene grotto
summoner has 5cc. 2KD, 2 Daze, 1 stun. u can cc them until they out of tab/1
rigid delta
bring tumbleroll ๐
fm will delete cat in like 4 seconds
daze counter is really good against them
but if they're smart theyll save tab for pin
and ss escape if they really need to
its a weird match up on neo
patent briar
I run blue grasping roots and just try to keep resetting it with counters
serene grotto
daze counter only 4 sec hide. i prefer the 6 sec when i holding to horn
serene grotto
if u r offensive then counter is good for ya
rigid delta
you can catch f roll from daze counter
serene grotto
i m playing sin style so need alot of hide time
rigid delta
then daze again/cat tab stun
into a kd/pin
well that kd part
is for classes without ground counter
true stirrup
daze counter is really good against them
Frozen Fist breaks daze counter as well as regular seed shroud
Then it's roast the summoner time
pale turret
already nerf or bug description?
ashen monolith
already nerf or bug description?
idk translation issue
lament skiff
Seems to work the same
deep marsh
already nerf or bug description?
Neither has been fixed. At least if it's working properly now.
deep marsh
Seems to work the same
Okay, then it's not fixed I guess
true stirrup
did someone test CHEER UP yet?
chrome epoch
already nerf or bug description?
eww so fast nerf?
spiral dagger
it was 0.2 from the beginning, we got nefed version
solid kestrel
WTB Legendary Hornet Nest (NA) :3
chrome epoch
it was 0.2 from the beginning, we got nefed version
oh thats why it didnt feel that crazy
chrome epoch
i thought we will get 0.2 at later point too, but knowing that we currently already have the 0.2 one is nice xD
Means i dont lose dps ๐
true stirrup
oh thats why it didnt feel that crazy
I think it still extends by the full honey duration if you use it at the end of photo buff
chrome epoch
I think it still extends by the full honey duration if you use it at the end of ...
yes thats what iam doing
lusty lodge
Hi o/ there is a list of skills give honey buff ?
deep marsh
I think it still extends by the full honey duration if you use it at the end of ...
this should be a bug btw
deep marsh
oh i see what u mean, that's weird
but i dont think it changes with book, have t...
Have you been able to test it yet?
spiral dagger
Itโs not working like this ๐
I used bleed one X and smothering with normal x, nothing change
Normal headbutt only
I didnโt noticed any changes
deep marsh
maybe buggy since launch? or it is not implemented or it was and was changed before launch? real strange, this wouldnt be gamebreaking
it was weird anyway that headbutt didn't even have the Unconscious debuff like live has/had
shadow plank
Hi o/ there is a list of skills give honey buff ?
Purple Doom n Gloom / Purple Drain / Blue Hive Swarm
shadow plank
Ah yeah this one too if you iframe an attack btw
deep marsh
does it work if only the cat resists an attack?
shadow plank
but after or buff idk if familiar iframe work maybe
true stirrup
but after or buff idk if familiar iframe work maybe
i doubt it does
shadow plank
Yes i think is only if you resist not familiar
deep marsh
if it works it isnt that bad for hornet i think
true stirrup
if it works it isnt that bad for hornet i think
eh if you dont have cat Q
the cat is probably dead in a lot of fights
not worth it
deep marsh
my cat never dies, so i don't know which fights you talking about?
true stirrup
my cat never dies, so i don't know which fights you talking about?
highland exile boss 1, the AOE puddles kill the cat in about 6 or 7 seconds from full hp
during the jumping phase, he makes one on his jump starting position, and one where he lands
you keep attacking while hes jumping but if you dont cat Q itll run into melee range to attack it, and die to the AOE
then you cant pin after the block and KD
deep marsh
okay, never done that dungeon so far
true stirrup
even with cat Q im chugging HP potions even when im full HP
to try and keep the cat alive lmaoo
lusty lodge
Purple Doom n Gloom / Purple Drain / Blue Hive Swarm
ty
true stirrup
my cat never dies, so i don't know which fights you talking about?
also on hae mujin aoe drops it can get chain CC'd and be useless even if it doesnt die
but it can die to the AOE drops + aoe explosion on him pretty easily too
shadow plank
WTBuy EU Purple Petal Storm Toss 1k6 Pm
spiral dagger
yes and no
if u are using exitlag, seems fine for me
still 14 ms
but my friends can't loggin
solid kestrel
WTB Legendary Hornet (NA) :3
spiral dagger
ok
river light
WTB Purple Sunflower NA PMO!
devout oar
Hey guys, Iโm new to bns neo, played bns some years agoโฆand Iโm thinking about summoner, blademaster or bladedancer but I remember summoner was funny af ๐ should you recommend it?
rare flicker
It's fun to play summoner, but if you're unlucky with the books, your DPS will be very low compared to other classes.
true stirrup
Purple cheer up is still broken and the cat AP does not increase, even if it does receive a buff icon
Damage is the same before and after you use it
No change to cat stats on info page.
steel python
So dmg is Kinda rng based?
Damage is dependant on what books you have, summoner is not a top tier dps class but has a lot of utility
deep marsh
No change to cat stats on info page.
where do you read that xD
devout oar
Damage is dependant on what books you have, summoner is not a top tier dps class...
Ok, so well rounded for the beginning? Or should I maybe better try bd or bm ๐ค
steel python
BD is top tier damage and BM is slightly below it
Damage is almost the only that matters tbh
steel python
Not especially, you're melee so you'll have to dodge more things
dusty yarrow
spiral dagger
sum is melee too, most of the time 
true stirrup
Not especially, you're melee so you'll have to dodge more things
Summoner is hardest class in game
true stirrup
The amount of effort you have to put in to keep the cat alive and squeeze out an almost acceptable amount of damage
rigid delta
boss 1 highland oh my god
true stirrup
cat is doomed
rigid delta
cat does not want to be alive
true stirrup
if they block too close to the puddle
and they usually do
its going to die grappling
rigid delta
doesnt help that E is on 8 second cd
so you cant call it out
unless you use a slot just to E
lament skiff
I throw hive swarm on it
gusty kiln
Doesnโt help when you press Q and the cat goes nah Iโm good and keeps walking and it eats your cooldown
rigid delta
bro like the biggest issue with flower summoner
the cat refuses to stay in Q
so its like
okay I guess I lose my rotation
lament skiff
And I dont grapple if the cat is going melt ๐
true stirrup
doesnt help that E is on 8 second cd
i started letting it go into the first puddle, Q inside the first puddle, it runs over to second puddle, then E knockdown grapple
rigid delta
yeah you have to let it charge when you call it back
and then Q
but sometimes ive had my cat just say no
and stand up lol
gusty kiln
I swear Q actually worked back when bsh released and then they broke it later
true stirrup
summoner has no iframes lol
i only got SS
rigid delta
they can't code the cat slamming down
true stirrup
what iframes
rigid delta
ss doesnt even work half the time
ill be mid ss animation
bsh2 puddles say no and yoink me back
deep marsh
I watched a stream earlier and the cat didn't take any damage except from yellow aoes, so I don't know what you or she is doing different
rigid delta
what?
deep marsh
and my cat dont have the prob ether
rigid delta
what are you talking about
deep marsh
and she and me don't use cat q
rigid delta
what spec are you
rigid delta
huh
deep marsh
every red aoe no cat dmg
rigid delta
do you have default Q
deep marsh
want link to stream with time?
rigid delta
that works
deep marsh
you can watch
deep marsh
earlyer lethe sad cat dies a lot, mine dont
deep marsh
cant link timestamp tho, it is near the start of the stream
cat doesnt even get dmg at the pizza
but it get dmg from yellow and the tree foot stomps
rigid delta
bro thats 6 man lmao
deep marsh
6?
deep marsh
does it mater?
rigid delta
yes lmao
rigid delta
yeah
this boss is doing no damage
those red aoes chunk me for like half of my hp
shes taking like 9k
deep marsh
but cat def is more or less fixed tho, doesnt matter
deep marsh
does your cat get hit at the ice wave in cs?
rigid delta
idk I turn my brain off in cs and watch anime
deep marsh
hm okay
rigid delta
have you done highland?