please keep it in english
#Kung Fu Master
lucid herald
They're just introducing themselves
hybrid dove
๋ค๋ค ์ด๋ฏธ์๋ ค์คฌ์ด์ ใ
He is saying the fire pulv is the best. I think I have posted before
lucid herald
Yeah, it makes sense with the Pulverize buff
hybrid dove
6 sec cd is insane
lucid herald
Though I wonder if Pulverize Wind could compete
Sinful was doing insane things even with the pre-buffed version
hybrid dove
๋ฐ๊ถ ๋๊ฐํ๋ ์ด๋ป๋๋ค์ ใ ์ฌ๋๋ค ํ๋์ฉ ํ ์คํธํ๋ค๊ฐ ํ๊ถ๋๊ฐํํ๋๋ฏํ๋ฐ
cobalt lion
๋ฐ๊ถ ๋๊ฐํ๋ ์ด๋ป๋๋ค์ ใ
์ฌ๋๋ค ํ๋์ฉ ํ
์คํธํ๋ค๊ฐ ํ๊ถ๋๊ฐํํ๋๋ฏํ๋ฐ
๋ฐฑ์ฒญ์ฐ๋งฅ ์ดํ, ๋ฐฑ์์ ๊ณตํจ ํจ๊ณผ๋ถํฐ ํ์ฒ๊ฐ, ๋งนํธ์ฅ, ๋ถ๊ถ 3๊ฐ์ ์คํฌ์ ์ถ๊ฐํผํด ์ฆ๊ฐ ๋์ด์ ๋ฐ๊ถ์๊ฒ๋ ๋๊ฐํ๋ฅผ ์ธ ์ด์ ๊ฐ ์์ด์ก์ด์.
kindred jewel
cobalt lion
hybrid dove
์ค์ผ: After silverfrost with new soul badge effect, wind doesnt need to use pulv anymore
cobalt lion
์ค์ผ: After silverfrost with new soul badge effect, wind doesnt need to use pulv a...
Yes. Good
hybrid dove
ํ๊ถ ๋๊ฐํ๋๊ทธ๋ผ๊ทธ๋ฅ ๋๊ฐํ ์ ๊ณตํจ์ฐ๋๊ฑฐ์ฃ ?
์ ํฌ๋ ๊ทธ๋ฌ๋๊ฑฐ๋ก ๋ค์ด์
cobalt lion
ํ๊ถ ๋๊ฐํ๋๊ทธ๋ผ๊ทธ๋ฅ ๋๊ฐํ ์ ๊ณตํจ์ฐ๋๊ฑฐ์ฃ ?
๋ค ์ ํ์ ๊ณตํจ . (์ด์ ๊บผ์)
hybrid dove
Yes
violet mica
I will have to try this on my r2ff build
kindred jewel
they're talking about fire kfm, sadly perma-holding down on wind wont work
tawny needle
์ค์ผ: After silverfrost with new soul badge effect, wind doesnt need to use pulv a...
When you talk about new effect, it's only the buff % on CK right ?
outer crest
WTS pulv mystic badge EU (OP in silverfrost ) 
violet mica
You can only do R-F with legendary Cyclone kick right? Purple straight jab too unreliable and slow it seems
hybrid dove
When you talk about new effect, it's only the buff % on CK right ?
sorry idk what you meant. pulv isn't in the list of new merged soul badge effect so
it is not good to use. Fire pulv also only use virtuous, not silverfrost soul badge.
CK+swift+pulv is so slow
kindred jewel
you can do plenty with legendary CK, RF - RFF - R2FFF - 2FF
hybrid dove
He will test out and let us know
tawny needle
sorry idk what you meant. pulv isn't in the list of new merged soul badge effect...
Well you said the new effect but there is not really new effect on silverfrost badge, it's combination between comet + Tiger + CK
And the damage % goes up
But I was wondering if there was something else
hybrid dove
No that is it
It doesnt include pulv in their merged one
It does in mystic, but not in soulbadge
tawny needle
Yes I know that
tawny needle
Tyty for the answer
simple sandal
Hello su big fan โค๏ธ
real seal
wtf wowwwwww
marble apex
they're talking about fire kfm, sadly perma-holding down on wind wont work
he does a bit of hjold down
i was watching his live
and he sometimes uses the setting and does r and f hold down to double cast the f
it looked like it was anicancelling just fine that way
kindred jewel
you can do some holding, Im also doing 2 holding rn to some extend for my 2RF's
I just meant that you cant Fire KFM-tier holds, there is a timing to it still
hybrid dove
GG pulv price going up
eager kiln
B>>Pulverize 2k
outer crest
WTS pulv mystic badge EU (OP in silverfrost )
simple sandal
SU please pay child support
marble apex
GG pulv price going up
tbh
cant do the build properly with 48 gm on puirples only
you have to give up both spirit conc and volcanic
real seal
Not worth need gold book
eager kiln
you have to give up both spirit conc and volcanic
With 9 stack pulverize you have to give up the Everlasting , comet and volcanic i havent try 48 yet but it will give me cancer.
marble apex
With 9 stack pulverize you have to give up the Everlasting , comet and volcanic ...
this is what i cooked up
eager kiln
Not worth need gold book
Yep
marble apex
Not worth need gold book
i bagree with this
need at least one gold pulv
to free up a slot
and you def need chaotic surge
unless you always crit on the shrouded
eager kiln
Why give up the buff than everlasting?
marble apex
With 9 stack pulverize you have to give up the Everlasting , comet and volcanic ...
for fire i wouldnt give up everlasting
since it procs searing blow
that skill is too good
eager kiln
For me wind still OP
marble apex
oh you tlaking abotu wind
nah
i wouldnt do puvlerize build for wind
its too many skills unless you get the gold
have to be realistic
how many chances you gonna try to get gold puvleriz
eager kiln
I mean wind ck + comet still OP
remote oracle
hey guys, i was thinking of playing KFM, u recommend?
marble apex
hey guys, i was thinking of playing KFM, u recommend?
if you want to try it go for it
just dont spend anything yet
kfm market is kinda dead
so hard to get good skills and qol
simple sandal
hey guys, i was thinking of playing KFM, u recommend?
I recommend it , its the funnest class imo
remote oracle
i mean yea i've taken a look at MW market (since i'm EU) and i can get a fair amount of blues for relatively cheap
purples are always kinda dead and expensive, so it's hard to get them without whaling
eager kiln
i mean yea i've taken a look at MW market (since i'm EU) and i can get a fair am...
Play CK KFM recommended. ๐ค๐ณ
simple sandal
and wind kfm pretty good at blue book
remote oracle
what's CK? :o
remote oracle
ah ok, which one is that? :D
marble apex
nah im j0oking
remote oracle
damn xd
marble apex
cyclone kick
remote oracle
i got bamboozled
marble apex
ck=cyuclone kick
simple sandal
wtf is comet kick , sounds op asf
remote oracle
okok
marble apex
if you like classes that require full brain
remote oracle
people say KFM is very tricky, especially mechanically?
marble apex
you will love kfm
marble apex
people say KFM is very tricky, especially mechanically?
as a beginner i have to say it took me about a week to understand fully how my class works
but when you figure it out your eyes are opened
and you achhieve enlightenment
remote oracle
being mechanically good is the only thing i kinda can do LOL
yea cus i'm currently playing wheelchair class aka WL and i kinda want to have a 2nd class where i can run difficult content with
kindred jewel
compared to other classes the ceiling for KFM is higher
remote oracle
it'll take a long time before i'll be able to do that, and KFM was one of my 2 choices
marble apex
kfm is also good because we have searing palm
remote oracle
compared to other classes the ceiling for KFM is higher
das good news
marble apex
so we guarantee more crits than other classes
making it easier for us to do higher content whereas a class with same stats cannot
remote oracle
i heard it's busted early game?
marble apex
but it also dependso n the player
kindred jewel
you might carbon copy a character and put two different people on a chair to pilot them
the difference will be night and day
marble apex
i heard it's busted early game?
yes
remote oracle
the difference will be night and day
so you say mechanics matter for KFM
remote oracle
but it also dependso n the player
i mean yea, that's a skill issue tho XD
kindred jewel
the entire premise of the class is tracking various cooldowns to upkeep buffs and skill chains
kindred jewel
and then there is animation cancel involved for wind KFM
marble apex
and change your on scrfeen UI
remote oracle
on paper sounds easy enough, for i know based on experience it's easier said than done
remote oracle
and change your on scrfeen UI
i wondered how to do that anyway
marble apex
i wondered how to do that anyway
in game i think its shift +f2
remote oracle
i saw that on some ppl and wondered how that works
remote oracle
in game i think its shift +f2
it's changes the mode yea
simple sandal
in game i think its shift +f2
shift+f1
remote oracle
and then there is animation cancel involved for wind KFM
i fw that heavily
marble apex
and you can also do macro with it too if your hand s get trired
but i wouldnt recommend doing macro until you master the combo and anicancel
remote oracle
like you can't scare me with "mechanically challenging" cus that's what makes it appealing to me LOL
marble apex
that way when you are in a dungeon environgment you can adjust properly
remote oracle
and you can also do macro with it too if your hand s get trired
yea ppl told me that a lot of people use macro
kindred jewel
the problem is, the class is also affected by the server status and our overall ping/hardware etc.
marble apex
where you press down a button it repeats the action
violet violet
like you can't scare me with "mechanically challenging" cus that's what makes it...
famous last words
kindred jewel
so if you decide to main KFM, apart from all the good things that the class gives you
you also have to accept all the gunk
from NC and just overall... everything
remote oracle
famous last words
i've been like this with any game i play actually so yea XD
kindred jewel
that comes with it
violet violet
ye it works until you realize mechanics aren't all there is
remote oracle
i want to know what i'd be getting into
marble apex
it will use smite as well
and mess you up from what ive seen in this chat of others talking about macro
kindred jewel
whats your ping
violet violet
i'd say for kfm after you get the rotation down it's really about how you adapt to the situation
remote oracle
ye it works until you realize mechanics aren't all there is
i mean yea, game knowledge is bread and butter tho
marble apex
i'd say for kfm after you get the rotation down it's really about how you adapt ...
this is 100%
remote oracle
isn't that everywhere tho? i'm not gullible and naive enough to think that if i'm mechanically great then i can steamroll everything
if i'm dead my dps is 0
violet violet
if you really know your class then you know how to work around everything else the game throws at you
violet violet
not necessarily, a lot of classes don't have a "set rotation" like kfm does
kindred jewel
you can give me a BM with pierce and Ill down RMB
and deal absurd damage
for you to deal that damage
remote oracle
yea i don't like BM <.<
kindred jewel
you gotta track like a bunch of cooldowns, have to force yourself to iframe
properly animation cancel with nearly zero mistakes
all while hoping that the servers wont suddenly implode on itself
violet violet
like you get cc'd or you miss a window, it's your class knowledge and boss pattern knowledge to help you maintain dps
kindred jewel
so your timings will poof and you wont be able to cancel properly anymore
remote oracle
all while hoping that the servers wont suddenly implode on itself
god yea, i experienced that a couple of times xd
violet violet
on fm if i get knocked down i just get up and resume attacking and my dps doesn't change that much
kindred jewel
like
violet violet
on kfm it's a whole new story lol
remote oracle
on fm if i get knocked down i just get up and resume attacking and my dps doesn'...
fm is sleeper, i fall asleep when i tried FM
kindred jewel
KFM is the class that is affected the most by it
violet violet
a lot of people that say they want challenging gameplay or mechanics end up not liking kfm just because of how much you actually have to remember and pay attention to on top of boss mechanics
remote oracle
sounds neat tho yea
marble apex
go try it out
remote oracle
i'm still interested xD
kindred jewel
if the overall gunk affects you by 20% on most classes, for KFM its 70%
marble apex
๐ซก
kindred jewel
you have to adapt to it
remote oracle
wops, mb mb
kindred jewel
but youre awarded by one of the cheapest classes to build
remote oracle
but yea, it gives me a reason to cope and not feel bad lmao
kindred jewel
one of the strongest buffs in the game
remote oracle
but youre awarded by one of the cheapest classes to build
really? i've heard differently LOL
kindred jewel
well
kindred jewel
there is ALOT you can do with KFM gearing that allows you to get away
marble apex
i dont think other classes can do the same
remote oracle
so many people have different opinions about strength and costs of classes damn
kindred jewel
compared to other classes, our class is significantly cheaper to build
without losing actual power
remote oracle
yea my other choice was BD but i kinda wanna try KFM now
kindred jewel
but you HAVE to play it properly
there is no sleeping while playing KFM
we dont have an afk combo
marble apex
yea my other choice was BD but i kinda wanna try KFM now
nah dont do it
remote oracle
there is no sleeping while playing KFM
good, i don't wanna fall asleep while playing
remote oracle
yea i know, i liked it when i played live a decade ago, when we played thundering blade when we had BT, VT, etc
kindred jewel
BD is the strongest class in NEO still, but its also one of the more expensive classes to build
and yea you'll fall asleep while playing it
violet violet
imo if you really want to work to see your dps, play kfm LOL
remote oracle
yea, it's also the most populated.. maybe cus it's strong
remote oracle
imo if you really want to work to see your dps, play kfm LOL
at least i kinda know it's skill issue if i dont
violet violet
lol i mean
you can very easily have bad luck too
these days ranged do so much dps that they easily rip aggro and there goes your rotation when the boss is running around
tight knot
I guess warlocks burst a lot
marble apex
BD is the strongest class in NEO still, but its also one of the more expensive c...
is it really?
i had no idea
tight knot
Comparing my alt (fire) kfm to my friends ice wl is kinda painful
With how little gear you can outsustain a significantly more expensive build
violet violet
because you have to cycle through the stages to burst rather than just bursting as soon as you go in
kindred jewel
is it really?
yea wind BD is by far the strongest class in NEO since KR lab patch
and they continue to be so
they just scale to the moon
violet violet
steven was doing almost 100k on tree like 2 patches ago LOL
err sorry not ont ree
on dummy
like 70k on tree
marble apex
steven was doing almost 100k on tree like 2 patches ago LOL
whats his name
i want to look him up
and see what he has
marble apex
cuz i think fire kfm in current patch with same amount of legendaries and gm lvl does more dmg surely
violet violet
tiger strike is aoe too
remote oracle
Comparing my alt (fire) kfm to my friends ice wl is kinda painful
that's why i'm saying WL is wheelchair class, though ice is also worse than shadow
tight knot
Supposedly Ice is better than Shadow
violet violet
he didn't have uh
marble apex
tight knot
Though the purple books required to play Ice properly is ๐ฅด
marble apex
tiger strike is aoe too
true
remote oracle
Supposedly Ice is better than Shadow
prolly with full purple and some leg when we get them
but as of now, at least on EU afaik it's shadow all the way
remote oracle
Though the purple books required to play Ice properly is ๐ฅด
yea you nearly need full purp
but oh well, time to try KFM
i'm part of the gang now
marble apex
kindred jewel
if a FM takes aggro and refuses to circle tank
you're obligated to vent here
so we can laugh at you
kindred jewel
I much rather have an FM that is circle tanking than ones that just go from corner to corner in the boss arena 
tight knot
One day range checking will be the mechanic
eager kiln
A lot of powerful KFM in HR yeah
real seal
My dragon is so bad , my best is that frog
real seal
7/7
I didn't have 765 life steal before now we are doing better
Steven always joke me have f2p cards before my cards were really sht
Kfm does better in dungeons tbh
But lose alot of dps if i get kd by boss
civic tinsel
I didn't have 765 life steal before now we are doing better
I also want to know if it's a big difference ๐
violet mica
Back in the day on live, wasn't KFM a top tier dps? Feels like with the book system KFM will always be less because other easier classes have like 1 skill they can max out with books where KFM has to take searing palm and procs. Wonder if they balanced the game for that.
kindred jewel
you solve that by using legendary books
and they're already fixing it to some extend, 48 stacks of CK nearly removes all the CDR dependencies from the kit
tight knot
They balanced the game around that to some extent
Dont underestimate how strong crit buffs are in neo though
outer crest
WTS pulv mystic badge EU (OP in silverfrost )
feral shell
kfm was always the worst class, thats why it had to be reworked
real seal
I also want to know if it's a big difference ๐
huge huge
marble apex
I also want to know if it's a big difference ๐
yes
very big
because it adds to your dps
eager kiln
because it adds to your dps
The Life drain will add to DPS?
eager kiln
O.O
errant basalt
you guys keep saying kfm, kfm. we need to make a distinction between wind and fire kfm. wind kfm has the highest skill ceiling and floor in the game while fire has one of the lowest. then there is ranged.
marble apex
but the tiger strikes arent doing as much as biggies
errant basalt
something else is going on
violet violet
I mean i keep hearing wind kfm has the highest ceiling but before i quit my gear was close to another wind kfmโs and i was doing similar damage to him on wb
So sure u can throw theoretical all u want but if no one can reach said ceiling, itโs not practical to use in an argument
simple sandal
i think fire is better :X
errant basalt
pretty sure that just reinforces my argument lol
violet violet
How so
errant basalt
fire is better dps wise you can already see it in wb and once u bring summoners into play the dif is more
violet violet
I said our gear was similar and we were doing similar dmg
Iโll say i was 4 levels under him but idk if thatโs as big of a difference
errant basalt
just because nobody can reach said ceiling doesnt mean it doesnt exist
just means its impossible to reach
violet violet
If no one is reaching it then it might as well not exist lol itโs purely a conversational topic
errant basalt
which is what we are doing
violet violet
So then you agree itโs impractical
errant basalt
play wat u find fun btw i just enjoy perpetuating my agenda
yea for sure
bns neo is impractical escape while you can
violet violet
Fire makes up for the missing ceiling due to easier play, wind canโt reach due to outside issues that players canโt really fix
errant basalt
im confused at wat point you are trying to make rly I am just being elitist and saying wind is harder to play than fire and am salty fire is way more dps
๐
violet violet
you guys keep saying kfm, kfm. we need to make a distinction between wind and fi...
I was just referring to this. My point is itโs fine to lump โkfmโ into the same sentence regardless of fire and wind because both do similar dps, just differ in playstyle
errant basalt
thats my point tho they dont do similar dps in most cases
violet violet
Sure its potential may be limitless but itโs impractical
marble apex
the only area where fire would take 2nd place is pvp and in neo pvp doesnt matter for sht and is basically non existent
violet violet
I think once we get leg ck we can prob revisit
errant basalt
ahhhh right i forgot about the dogsh1t joke of pvp we have here
yea i guess it evens out then since fire is dogwater in pvp
yea im hoping this su person is a newb kfm and wind>fire but they seem good to me
dreams crushed
violet violet
I think the new pulverize build for fire is just broken isnโt it
Wind still beats normal fire with leg ck
errant basalt
agreed nerf that sh1t wind comet got nerfed now nerf fire pulv
yea pretty sure it would be like 20% better than pure tiger build
what i am really interested in tho is 2f (pulv) potential for wind
marble apex
only if you got legendary
not worth it if all you got is purple pulvcerize
too many sacrifices need to be made to use 9 pulverize
errant basalt
because even right now for wind kfm on na 2rf(f pulv) beats comet add in a real right
With ck sb and pulv mystic
fight
yea for sure need leg
simple sandal
what i am really interested in tho is 2f (pulv) potential for wind
what about 2fff with gold cyclone kick and stack pulv lul
simple sandal
oh 
, yeah seems like it would be really good. especially with how fast 2f rotation was in the video
errant basalt
3 leg pulv leg swift 3 leg pulv vs pure ck leg
simple sandal
plus comet strike is clunky asf i always hated it with the cast time
marble apex
and 48 on pulv
errant basalt
Well purple comet
marble apex
30 gm for the cks to not cost focus
errant basalt
yea shits lame af bring back thruster
simple sandal
yea shits lame af bring back thruster
u never know they might make gold comet op asf , or thruster
good ole bait and switch to make ppl spend more
errant basalt
they will :copium
marble apex
if i got golden comet
simple sandal
lol imagine they make it like instant cast and extremely reduced cd so its like r2fff44 combo on repeat
marble apex
nah
simple sandal
oh wait how 2 focus
simple sandal
true that would be pretty nice
marble apex
msp would be so ez
marble apex
nah
theyll nefver make it aoe
cuz then i can just switch to a full urple build for it
wouldnt have to spend at all
simple sandal
is thruster punch build good? say if you only have purple book and no gold
lowkey have like 8 thruster punch books so...
marble apex
its equivalent
of doing full green wind build
comet strike version
green vs purples
imo
simple sandal
eager kiln
you guys keep saying kfm, kfm. we need to make a distinction between wind and fi...
No doubt. WIND KFM is Powerful.
feral shell
wind kfm is weak, cant do any new content
eager kiln
Are you guys being serious right now 
eager kiln
you guys keep saying kfm, kfm. we need to make a distinction between wind and fi...
No doubt, ๐ช๏ธ is more powerful. with hybrid ๐ฅ/๐ช can't out damage the ๐ช๏ธ.
simple sandal
No doubt, ๐ช๏ธ is more powerful. with hybrid ๐ฅ/๐ช can't out damage the ๐ช๏ธ.
Why are you ๐ฃ๏ธ like thisโ
errant basalt
its ok, fire kfms arent real, they cant hurt me
marble apex
its ok, fire kfms arent real, they cant hurt me
what you mean earlier btw
saying it must be hardware or mcro issue?
if i make a macro ill do morie dmg?
i dont see how that makes sense ๐ค the 2 comes out good speed with the repeated actions setting
tight knot
Pretty sure that setting has always been slower than macroing
charred niche
Are you guys being serious right now <:Cozzydo:1395174869619970088> <:bns_bursti...
is that high
marble apex
is that high
no
charred niche
drop tiger strike lower plz if youre saying pulverize is now the build i need to max my tiger strike
thanks
cobalt lion
Hi~
Bns KR
KFM ...
Live
https://www.youtube.com/live/DcRn8W0chhY?si=xkMXkZh8agBUrwzh
eager kiln
drop tiger strike lower plz if youre saying pulverize is now the build i need to...
Pulverize is a meme build. Don't listen to them ๐
violet violet
WTS NA
violet mica
It's amazing to see! Thank you. With RF combo, is it still worth ot to do comet strike at all? Why not just pure cyclone kicks?
eager kiln
wow fire pulv will be op lol
What do you mean? CK is still the best
hybrid dove
tiger+ck+comet+pulv
eager kiln
With no gold pulv. A lot of skills to give up to have 48 GM. No comet, no volcanic ,no everlasting
eager kiln
tiger+ck+comet+pulv
I hope it will buff to 1000% pulv badge ๐๐
real seal
WTBWTbWtbwtbwtwnwyywbtbwtb
eager kiln
22FF 22FF 22FF
hybrid dove
I need to plan which 4 of them to sell..
marble apex
I need to plan which 4 of them to sell..
The ones that arent 10
hybrid dove
The ones that arent 10
genius
marble apex
You lock the soul badge for pulv ao you dont accidentally get rid of it
Then you keep one of the +10spul badges to upgrade to the new version
Oh but you dont have a 10 mystic yet?
eager kiln
I need to plan which 4 of them to sell..
How much for any +10 soul badge ๐ฅฒ
reef island
WTBWTbWtbwtbwtwnwyywbtbwtb
Shoulda bought my gold pulv before it was salvaged by the person who bought from me
simple sandal
Shoulda bought my gold pulv before it was salvaged by the person who bought from...
how much did you sell it for
real seal
What is sinful
hybrid dove
civic tinsel
This looks so clunky and boring xD
reef island
how much did you sell it for
soft dragon
i believe youll be the first to get it
cobalt lion
Oh new Ck guy who upload youtube
He is my friend. His way is 2-F. My way is R-F and R-FF
stuck sky
https://youtu.be/Li6QkJEolB4?si=uSK4eKiuaqyADghU
Is that a macro?
hybrid dove
Is that a macro?
Nope
hybrid dove
I think most KR players don't use macro for wind
stuck sky
I have not been able to make a macro that does that any-cancel, I usually do it by hand.
Ya
stuck sky
I think most KR players don't use macro for wind
I don't know if you knew that there are Chinese macros, which make the perfect rotation.
hybrid dove
Pulv is added. 510% not bad
hybrid dove
damn I will hold my fire+pulv skills hmm
marble apex
Lol
I already had a build planned from before
One each of pulverize and comet
Dont need to go for any gm lvl
Just default dmg
stuck sky
Pulv is added. 510% not bad
I was going to switch to comet, but the truth I like pulverize ๐ , thanks to that buff to soulbadge maybe it will remain pulverize, I have some days trying to get purple comet and I have not been able to.
hybrid dove
I still don't like searing blow that can't be used while moving
stuck sky
Unfortunately I chose wind at the beginning to also use it in pvp, however I don't do pvp anymore, maybe the best option was tiger from the beginning.
marble apex
Whichever lets you have the most fun
I can now say ive experienced both.
Wind ck and comet build will always be the most satisfying
hybrid dove
I want AOE.. that's the problem, but I don't like fire
marble apex
True
stuck sky
One each of pulverize and comet
If you can get this to work, it might be very good.
hybrid dove
maybe I should consider class change
marble apex
Aero told me that maybe we get a special badge
He said in bns live there is something called vt badge
That makes ck aoe
I'll find the link he showed me
It looks cool too
feral shell
wind kfm doesnt deserve aoe
stuck sky
Since the beginning of the game I felt more relaxed with the pulve hahaha, but now that I wanted to try the comet nobody sells xd.
marble apex
If you can get this to work, it might be very good.
this was the build i initially had planned when i found out wed be getting new badges
stuck sky
maybe I should consider class change
Assassin ๐
marble apex
go for 30 gm on the cks only to make them cost 0 focus so you can freely cast the pulverize
hybrid dove
Assassin ๐
single target
marble apex
although
stuck sky
I honestly thought another triple soulbadge would come in time, dmg for swift strike/ shrouded shadow and pulv ๐
marble apex
lowkey i think it would be better to choose bright comet if goig for full hybrid
cost 1 less focus than comet add dmg
and it still gets cdr on ck
thatway you can cast pulv and bright comet on one atk rotation
instead of having to cast an extra r in between
marble apex
I honestly thought another triple soulbadge would come in time, dmg for swift st...
dev so wack
this is only speculation on my part
but
they had a 2nd leg ck version which you could do shrouded shadow build and do insane dmg with that
instant cast of shrouded if you had 48 gm on the ck cuz it reduced by 20 seconds
so 2 ck and shroud off cd
and they removed it already
didnt even last a month
stuck sky
this was the build i initially had planned when i found out wed be getting new b...
Don't forget to leave your feedback when you see how it works xd
marble apex
see the date
7/23
this completyl resets the cd of shrouded
7/30
doesnt exist anymore
kr had patch 8/6
still not there anymroe
so i think its permanently gone
couldve had insane build with the badge that adds shrouded shadow dmg 1030%
just another super build that devs said hell nah to kfm being great
thruster punch 2.0 basically ๐
stuck sky
thruster punch 2.0 basically ๐
Ye
they were careful with the buff to pulverize by means of the soulbadge
They should have increased it more, the problem is that this would increase the fire damage much more.
marble apex
that didnt matter as much
craggy briar
Whichever lets you have the most fun
Ye
marble apex
cuz we have the regular padge and the dmg is still insane
marble apex
Ye
wdym?
you want to know how many comets to do a hybrid buid ?
only need at least one
stuck sky
I think pulverize is intended for fire
craggy briar
only need at least one
Then the rest is Purple CK ? I only got like 3 purples CKs and 1 comet bright
marble apex
well.... you gotta use what you got
i think its optimal using only 1 comet strike
when i was doing 48gm for ck i had only 1 comet
craggy briar
Kk
marble apex
and it still increases the dps average
anymore is not necessary imo
but i was using comet add dmg
i dont use bright
yet
craggy briar
Oh Ayt I was mostly just copying KFM build . He mustโve quit
simple sandal
I think for min max you want 1 less than your ck. For me it had the same value , literally 33% damage each when having 1:1 ratio of ck and comet
(If ur using comet strike badge)
marble apex
ye no point using comet in your build if youre not using the badge
if youre stacking full ck you should awlays do leading palm badge
stuck sky
Do you know exactly how the new mystic badge works?
stuck sky
Okay
simple sandal
@marble apex u gonna fight me in skyhaven? 
marble apex
nah
i dont actively go out of my way to kill people
sometimes i like smacking people one time and running away tho
simple sandal
marble apex
my favorite is a drive by knockdown
you know that meme
or not meme
its an audio
of the music going past you ?
thats me
i think its some spanish music
marble apex
not t osay i dont like pvp
i just dont have time normally
i like to go in and out
and if someone trying to fight me and i dont got the time
i justleave my character dead on the ground and alt tab
simple sandal
marble apex
๐ happened a fw days ago
a bm known to atk people named themgg
he killed me while im trying to kill mahan
so i just lay there and sent him a pm through the purple app and said dont got time for this
and i alt tabbed and played dead by daylight for a bit
๐
simple sandal
Do yall have a lot of griefers because that doesnt really fly around here , literal horde descends upon them usually
Idk if thatll change with the merge
marble apex
i dont know
im at work right now
so i cant say whos in the map at these hours
when i go sky hvaen is usually when rest of of the west side is sleeping
simple sandal
marble apex
personally i have only been griefed 3 times
and i awlays make sure i kill at least one person in return
classic build up stacks on a mob then shroud to them and kill em in one leading palm
works 9/10 times
you should try it
but make sure your bb is also active
for the extra dmg
just in case
simple sandal
I dont use shrouded in my build
marble apex
well all c variants can be anicancelled with leading palm
simple sandal
simple sandal
Oh i read that wrong
marble apex
if it doesnt kill them itll at least get them below 50% hp and take away some of their focus
cuz leading does focus dmg as well
harder for them to counter attack
simple sandal
I might switch tho idk
marble apex
cuz 2rf takes a while to kill anyone
simple sandal
I know , i change builds every week or two. But i want to do it more
Might go back to thruster build
craggy briar
Wish we can do 3 leading palms in stage 4
simple sandal
Aw new event is whack
Exp charm event
Ill prob still do it and save them for when they uncap to 75 , but 600k exp is nothing really
marble apex
@tulip spruce
Im not online. Im boutta sleep
Quick. Why you ask about me in world chat
tulip spruce
i wanna see the strongest kfm non-heavensreach
simple sandal
Who is the strongest non heavensreach
marble apex
I dont know
tulip spruce
froyo maybe
lucid herald
you guys keep saying kfm, kfm. we need to make a distinction between wind and fi...
Just maintaining SP uptime automatically makes even Fire KFM harder than some of the other classes in the game. Wind is the hardest class in the game, Fire is medium to high difficulty.
lucid herald
So sure u can throw theoretical all u want but if no one can reach said ceiling,...
Sinful has reached it. He was doing more damage than Volcomas that had a Legendary book Tiger Strike. This places full Purple Wind over Fire. Just look at Aironell results too
errant basalt
Just maintaining SP uptime automatically makes even Fire KFM harder than some of...
Agreed.
maybe volcamas is just bad and sinful is good?
lucid herald
I think the new pulverize build for fire is just broken isnโt it
This build requires several Legendary books. Not feasible for Western players
errant basalt
werent u nr 1 fire kfm in eu before people started whaling out
i think 2f pulv on wind will be higher dps in a long fight now with pulv badge unless three u have three sums that space out q properly
fire will have major focus issues with pulv spam while wind should be able to keep spamming unless unlucky
but we'll see
violet violet
This build requires several Legendary books. Not feasible for Western players
this is just a time issue
NA will eventually get more access to legendary skill frags
errant basalt
just need 10g rng box tbh
violet violet
could be because there aren't many kfm whales
but for sure pulverize build will become popular as more people know about it
lucid herald
I disagree. West simply doesn't spend the same amount of money + we don't have enough supply on the market for these skills. Unless they introduce events that GRANT legendary books, nothing will change. Not to mention that only GIGA whales have Legendary books even on KR. It takes several thousands of $ for a full legendary build even there
errant basalt
it is dumb to be swiping right now when rng boxes should be much cheaper, but they should have released already so who knows
marble apex
Using someone that used scripts isnt a good example
violet violet
it's just a time issue lol
errant basalt
scripts? you mean macro?
violet violet
like i know not so whale people that have gotten legendary skills
lucid herald
werent u nr 1 fire kfm in eu before people started whaling out
Yes, I was rank 1 for a month. Then Volcomas whaled over me and took over. I've been rank 2-3 since.
errant basalt
ah like a bot
marble apex
Frame perfect actions depending on any circumstance
violet violet
but NA just has like very little kfms that whale
errant basalt
ye im sure its possible with stuff like opencv
lucid herald
like i know not so whale people that have gotten legendary skills
How exactly? By hitting jackpot 5%?
violet violet
yeah
lucid herald
lol
errant basalt
outliers dont make for a good argument tbh
violet violet
i mean you can "lol" me and react all you want but it's the truth
sure not a good argument but you can't ignore that they exist
lucid herald
That's still a single Legendary book. For the Pulverize build, you need 4
violet violet
the longer legendary gamble exists, the more probable legendary books will be introduced into the market
lucid herald
Also, hitting 5% is absurd. Even right now it takes around 20K gems per attempt. On average it will take people 400K gems to obtain a Legendary book
errant basalt
yea but by the time f2p people can resonable reach we will prob have mythic books
errant basalt
400k? thats on the low end
lucid herald
Not to mention that you will literally empty out the market for a single Legendary book. There is just no supply even if you wanted to spend millions of gems
violet violet
with hajoon box it's already becoming more available too
violet violet
won't stop people from spending on it
all of the mid size whales i know have bought it lol
lucid herald
Hajoon box is literally 10K gems for a 2% attempt? This is worse than crafting attempt
errant basalt
ye well still think need rng box for leg to be resonable
violet violet
i agree
just saying that leg is becoming more feasible
each day the game goes on
kindred jewel
we're just significantly behind in terms of welfare compared to KR. During Shadowmoor patch KR had events that gave them legendary skill book fragments but we're JUST getting 25 stacks of purple fragments instead
violet violet
i mean the 10g box with legendary skill frag came out during their bsh1/2 lol
lucid herald
At the current rate, having a Legendary book is completely absurd. I mean there is literally only a single Legendary Tiger Strike on Europe
How can you say Leg books are for dolphins lol
violet violet
are you saying it's absurd for kfms to have it or people in general
violet violet
lol
i'm not gonna argue with you since i know you're already so close minded and not open to being wrong about anything
in fact idk why i haven't already blocked you
lucid herald
There is 1 Legendary Tiger Strike on Europe. A single one. How can you consider Leg books dolphin items?
violet violet
because i know people who aren't mega whales that have legendaries
yes they could be outliers but as time goes on
it will only become more available
idk how that isn't feasible for you to understand
lucid herald
Because they hit the lottery! Those are isolated cases, and not applicable to the rest of the playerbase
violet violet
so are you just gonna keep saying anyone who hits is an isolated case until everyone has one then
like be forreal lol
lucid herald
it will only become more available
This is only the case if we get events that KR did get. What we have right now strongly implies otherwise. Hell, Leg books will only be harder to get as the player population dwindles further
More and more people quit with each patch.
errant basalt
blue books were around 50dg around this time in KR I believe
so its not looking good
lucid herald
so are you just gonna keep saying anyone who hits is an isolated case until ever...
There will literally never be a time when everyone has a Legendary book unless we get an event for it
I am far from F2P and I have never even made an attempt at Leg book yet
It's simply too expensive
errant basalt
I am ready for leg book selector already
errant basalt
yea doesn't make sense to attempt as f2p right now
violet violet
wind and fire still currently do similar dps
errant basalt
my ass they do
errant basalt
there is so much variation player to player because of ping gear setup etc
you have to test yourself using blue books
and then estimate using math
but then it also depends on boss
just not worth the time
violet violet
but we're talking at purple book levels
we're talking about the endgame
or i guess like
near endgame
-legendary books
errant basalt
but im pretty sure its around 5% diff for fire
but if you have three sums its easily 15%
diff
but it all depends
violet violet
i never partied with summoners in wb
lucid herald
Hybrid Wind, both Comet and Pulverize, are stronger than Fire. Fire is stronger than pure CK build right now. However, playing Wind optimally is something 99% of the players can't do. This is why most think Fire is stronger. In reality Wind does about 20% more dps when played well
violet violet
yeah so you can't just do theoretical and say "in perfect situations" because you can't reach said situation unless i guess you script??
but then you're not even playing the game anymore
you have to consider terrible boss patterns and fuckups and recoveries
errant basalt
yea I mean im not serious about my fire kfm hate but from what ive seen fire is practically way stronger than wind
but who knows
violet violet
i think fire is way easier to maintain and recover
which in turn may seem stronger
errant basalt
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
violet violet
so therefore yes currently it feels like fire is stronger because it's just easier to progress with
errant basalt
if only we could test without it being so expensive
lucid herald
Why do you have to consider fuckups and recoveries? I tank Shadowmoor and literally never get this once / drop SP once
violet violet
but sure if you play wind perfectly with no mistakes and recovery is spot on, then wind deserves to be the best
idk i don't play anymore, i'm just going off of what i played when i quit
you consider fuckups and recoveries because that's what normal humans do
if you play perfectly then congratulations, you are the best player in the game
is that what you want to hear lol
lucid herald
Playing in a way where you don't get hit / drop rotation is simply conisered good. FAR from best player in the game
For actually hard content in BnS, it is considered the minimum as well
violet violet
sigh i'm gonna make my exit here. all you do is speak in absolutes
lucid herald
Look up DST hard mode etc
lucid herald
Sure thing
violet violet
like TT was way more difficult than that imo
but it's prob cause that's 12m
4m is much easier to control
errant basalt
yea shadowmoor was way more difficult than DST omegalul
lucid herald
I will now block you instead. I feel like you're just rage baiting me at this point. Don't even know why I'm talking to someone who quit already
errant basalt
i think the current live dungeons are alot more difficult than old ones aswell but simple mode so cant rly compare
lucid herald
yea shadowmoor was way more difficult than DST omegalul
What about it was diffcult? I used to both bait and cut with ease
Shadowmoor was well designed, but not difficult
errant basalt
well let me correct myself
none of the dungeons were difficult
teaching people who didn't want to study was difficult
id consider shadowmoor more diffcult to teach than dst
hm
violet violet
aren't the tentacles in there random
errant basalt
but tbh most of the people who were actually running HM cleared in like 1-3 pulls because KR knowledge
so
dont think so
tents came out of the pools u laid
idr all the details tbh
violet violet
ah my other friend complains that it's annoying
i've never done it so
i'm just going off of what he said lol
errant basalt
f8 is annoying
premade HM team is free
well apples to oranges I guess
DST is just a weird example for a "hard" dungeon is just the point im making is all
violet violet
i agree
i used to have that on farm lol
my friends and i would literally wear faction outfits doing that dung
don't know what was so difficult about it
errant basalt
I wouldnt even use the word hard tbh
lucid herald
DST is just a weird example for a "hard" dungeon is just the point im making is ...
I'm talking about hard mode specifically. If we're talking NM, then yeah everything is kinda easy. I guess EL was though on gear level
errant basalt
maybe "interesting"
violet violet
yeah i do agree the mechs were interesting
errant basalt
yeah idk I dont remember all the specifics as I said
but DST is not memorable to me at all
violet violet
but i wouldn't put it at the top of a difficult dungeon list
errant basalt
and I cleared most of those old dungeons on HM so
ye owell
just make wind kfm great again
nerf fire kfm to the ground
or "greater"
if wind is actually better than fire
violet violet
lol
errant basalt
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
violet violet
this is what i mean
lucid herald
tents came out of the pools u laid
Mark places tentacles on a timer. They can't overlap and they need to be placed in a way where it's possible to cut them, which means not too far from the boss. Doing cut / bait / tank was easy. Doing Cut + Bait wasn't, but wasn't absurdly diffcult either
violet violet
people who say wind is better under perfect conditions get an unrealistic expectation of the class
errant basalt
yea like I said idr too many details I just remember shadowmoor mechs being fun
DST I dont remember anything at all other than people failing kd reeee
lucid herald
That's because most people just bursted the boss and skipped mechanics
violet violet
i think someone had to be furthest for lightning
errant basalt
I know we did long soul techs because it was just better with our dps
lucid herald
DST bosses had less HP than other dungeons for some reason. This made it optimal to skip mechs even in HM. However, if your DPS was low, the mechs were really hard
errant basalt
I see
violet violet
hard mode dst was before souls
errant basalt
wut
violet violet
or they just had like the very basic hongmoon soul or whatever
errant basalt
bruv I remember true hongmoon coming out during BT time or w/e
was like 30k usd to get day 1 or something
lucid herald
I mean, obviously when I talk about the difficulty of a dungeon, I'm talking about mechanics. Not how easy/hard it was to get a clear
errant basalt
yea I mean I dont remember these old ass dungeons mechs well enough to debate u so
lucid herald
If you ever did challenge mode DST, it was ridiculous
errant basalt
yea
violet violet
yeah that was later
violet violet
it didn't have the cooldowns and stuff like long soul/short soul
until tiger/transcendent
errant basalt
ohh yea challenge mode was fun af
they had challenge mode during DsT? or did they reintroduce later
errant basalt
ahh ic yea I didn't play on challenge mode thats prob why
lucid herald
I think DST was the first challenge mode we got. Might have been BC, can't remember
errant basalt
ohhh yea I understand what you mean now
yea long and short was later
i think I had like true cosmic and the other one
if i switched
violet violet
yee
errant basalt
ye i see wat u mean now
errant basalt
dam all this reminiscing is making me sad all they had to do was patch in 2016 imagine fumbling this hard
errant basalt
I should uninstall this sh1t but
I need to rf again at least one more time
yea for sure
violet violet
i think once trove hit it went downhill
lucid herald
I just want to do DT through TT again
errant basalt
ye I guess
lucid herald
But if we get nerfed DT, that's it for me
errant basalt
yea DT for sure
tbh if these dungeons had their old mechs would be fine
idk wat they are thinking
errant basalt
yea I guess but people will always complain but at least the ogs would still play
so many people just quit
lucid herald
Well, they really shouldn't have given us HH/Shadowmoor via this nerfed version to begin with
lucid herald
Shadowmoor is harder than Sogun's Lament like wtf
errant basalt
yea this sad state of the game
violet violet
people i knew who never swiped back then have swiped hella now
ofc that was ~10 yrs ago but
even when they COULD swipe before, they didn't
errant basalt
yea shadowmoor got butchered
violet violet
now it feels like you don't really have a choice
lucid herald
Will sell all my items the moment I see nerfed DT on KR. Only thing that keeps me going is hope
errant basalt
yea nerfed DT would be crazy but it will happend
lucid herald
Original BnS was F2P compared to NEO
errant basalt
happen*
yea just had to be top 30 in rankings
not even
just make alts
top 100
violet violet
crazy that pvp died in like 4 months
violet violet
but also i guess not that crazy since it was sin city
literally full team sin games
errant basalt
well sin was always busted in beluga
id would argue they were less busted in neo than live
violet violet
yea that's why they should've released more maps smh
errant basalt
because they cant kill anyone for sh1t in neo
violet violet
like as a kfm my only job is basically to stall
violet violet
can't really do much else
errant basalt
yea kfm some sad sh1t here
violet violet
makes my game feel incredibly unrewarding
errant basalt
ah well
violet violet
and the fact that destro can run around
be tanky, un ccable
and still kill
crazy
errant basalt
destro is good here? news to me
violet violet
yeah geared destros are good
errant basalt
just zoned out after I saw debuff resist exists
violet violet
sins were just op
errant basalt
ah okay well I was never that good in pvp on live either so
errant basalt
yea just go objectives ez
errant basalt
thats inting tho
violet violet
but that's what won games