Force Master

[jagged hull]

(Though you can do 5x bleed with purple dual dragons.)

The main builds at that point are blazing beam and dragonchar (on the same level, but dragonchar has the advantage of aoe so thats what I would recommend), ice rain is a weaker build (itll be closer with the buffs KR just got, but its not enough.)

What build did you want to play?

[noble citrus]

Ahh oki thanks, Dragonchar is better than Blazing Bean, right?

[jagged hull]

(on the same level, but dragonchar has the advantage of aoe so thats what I would recommend

[noble citrus]

thanks for help ^^

https://tenor.com/view/love-you-heart-that-70s-show-fez-gif-8459065780293784456

[jagged hull]

need any advice for the skillbooks?

[noble citrus]

I have two FMs, one with Ice Rain and Dul Dragon and the other with Dragonchar and Wicked. I know I'll never have a legendary because it's an alt, so I was asking which option was better. Ice Rain seemed prettier to me.

[jagged hull]

@noble citrus go to this message and read the next few comments

[steel marsh]

But I started playing and the most fun is ICe build 🙁 I want to ice rain as a fm

[jagged hull]

The upcoming buffs to ice rain look decent at least

Youll still need wicked twin dragon though, pure ice rain is going to be too weak still

And well, the class as a whole will be too weak still

[steel marsh]

On live FM was so good. Sad to hear is doing so bad here

I just wanna be a range mage

[jagged hull]

Class was one of the best when legendary Wicked Twin Dragons was added

It is what it is

[jagged hull]

Time for warlock?

[winged badger]

sf fm / dest was probably more op than what DL is rn in comparison

[steel marsh]

EW I'd rather die

[tawny siren]

i'm probably playing what would currently be the strongest fm build as dragonchar dual dragons

at 37k sf i'm doing the same dps as lancers and warlocks are doing at 32k sf

you would do way worse on ice rain than that

[steel marsh]

well I just started the game. Didn't get any books basically outside of the free ones.

And as long as I played MMO's, chaning classes because patches is a bad idea

they will buff and nerf always. If people don't get me to dungeons cuz I play FM...well ehh

[tawny siren]

i played this build even when it was still trash and that has never happened to me

[steel marsh]

btw, is there any guide? I saw earlier some ICE FM guide, but would love to know what to actually get in the future

[tawny siren]

#1357802440446971964 message should be useful to start out

even though the information about dragonchar is wrong, but that doesn't matter if you're gonna play ice rain

[steel marsh]

I mean at some point I'll probably need to change to dragonchar

I'm playing with ICE for now since I got the free books and lvling up with it seems nice and fast

thx for the video

[winged badger]

generally nobody cares,
most of the class is trash talk comes from the Raven king raid which honestly isnt meant to be cleared until like 35k SF avg pt

some of the boosted classes are able to run it and do the same dmg with much less SF but at the same time you kinda need the other classes which provide utlitity stuff around the raid .
Some of the balance is a bit off like DL being giga strong after this new round of leggys and some non utility class having no dmg like fire kfm or lightning bd with utility being giga strong.

FMs are needed in raids as they are part of the few classes that provide projectile resist to pair with sum , others being BM/Sin which are both weaker in DPS. You can obviously go through some loop holes like soulcores and jst playing better to do the raid without having the necessary CCs and stuff but the game is designed with the intention of having 3 DPS class per pt in raids (DL/WL/KFM) as these 3 have 0 party utility..

For the general dungeons, if you able to SF requirement, even the shittiest classes as long as its built properly without fluffing your SF with useless stats, u will easily hit the base dungeon requirement. A DD FM is arguably better than a 4th DL in most scenerio because perma bleed is just insane.

[tawny siren]

wdym about lightning bd having no damage though

[winged badger]

lightning bd with utility being giga strong.

phrasing

[stark storm]

@tawny siren so you're doing 400-500k DPS in the jumping dog? Tad sceptical about that.

[tawny siren]

yeah easily

[stark storm]

@winged badger yeah right... utilities. 2 light rats, 2 summoners and the rest stick masters and warlocks.

Class balance is a joke when you have specific classes pumping 1b+ on RK.

[winged badger]

because those classes are there to do DPS

[stark storm]

And do you need the other classes at all ?

[winged badger]

yes?

[stark storm]

Do you ? XD

[winged badger]

didnt know wls dls and kfms had a veil for all the extra projectiles in b3 corridors.
none of these classes also have a double stun or double daze do a quad cc inside soul sep.

[stark storm]

There is places you would need Vail and isn't just b3 scenario

[winged badger]

are u kicking people after u do b3?

[stark storm]

However, you don't BMS you don't need destros, you don't need half the classes

Heck you don't need 70% of the classes

So much balance

[winged badger]

in a proper setting with the intended SF

u can clear any stuff

with the right comps

already said its possible to cheese stuff if u substitute a bunch of stuff here and there

[stark storm]

Will exco raid clear without sour ? Answer on a postcard

[winged badger]

no they wont, WL is there to do DPS

its intended to have atleast 4 strong DPS in a raid

[stark storm]

I remember when we needed suitable classes and strong mechanics knowledge. Neo just opts in for DPS. Turning if not already at the point of toxic live after demonsbanes release - unless you x , y or z nobody really plays with you. Cringe

[winged badger]

You need suitable classes Exco doesnt have 12 wls in their raid do they?

[stark storm]

They don't and yet they could do it even faster and smoother if they did xD

[winged badger]

smooth ? no

removing a BM means now u have coordinate ur CCs to do aerials on B3

[stark storm]

Cmon they have BMS and what not . You replace those with pumpers and things change dramatically

[winged badger]

u now need a 2nd team that has to run extra CC to do quad CC in boss 2

[stark storm]

Stupid design

[winged badger]

all you think of is DPS

instead of actual utility and stuff that are needed to clear a raid

[stark storm]

Because neo answer is DPS

[winged badger]

too bad, it doesnt really work like that

[stark storm]

Kinda helps to have conveniently the biggest whales in the server in one group I suppose

They're there for utilities I suppose

@winged badger I know how it works

[winged badger]

then why did they replace a BM with another BM

[stark storm]

Because they have valira, watame and sour among others . Otherwise that BM was going to be in the dustbin

[winged badger]

what does that has to do

valira doesnt even play a "DPS" class

[stark storm]

He's just the only player with 40k+ force. But you're correct, if he was light it could've been even easier

[tawny siren]

warlock tanking raven king needs lots of support from other classes to not die during pizza

[winged badger]

BM is there so they can have veil and daze

[stark storm]

That wasn't going to be the case if they needed DPS .

[winged badger]

if they had the right comp, they will have the DPS

infact they are doing it with a sub optimal comp

they only have 2 good DPS classes

But having a BM enables u to run more DPS classes

[stark storm]

That's why others didn't clear. I guess is because they don't have the comp not the fact they don't have sour and watame lol

[winged badger]

because he can do the job of both HMB CC and veil

[stark storm]

You missing the point on class balance

[winged badger]

which other wise would require u to have FM + Destro + BD

[stark storm]

FM is a joke if we compare like for like

With the top dogs

[winged badger]

because FM brings perma bleed and Veil?

what does WL bring

or DL

[stark storm]

@winged badger yeah there is certainly one trillion FM's on DD.

[winged badger]

didnt answer the part where on what wl and dl brings to the pt

other than DPS

[stark storm]

I said if you remember 2 light rats, two summoners, you can say 2 fms since they're far more useful than bms and the rest can be just DL and warlocks .

And don't bring the 4 cc bit

[winged badger]

too little CCs

[stark storm]

That's easy to cover

[winged badger]

easy to say but harder to execute.

you can always clear a dungeon by just being "better"

Clearing a raid with the proper comp with enough utilities is waay easier than just putting a bunch of DPS classes in cause " DPS "

Proper raid comps should probably look like 2 DPS
Comp 1 : Destro + FM/Sin + BD + Sunflower/Hornet
Comp 2 : 2 DPS + BM + Rumble SM.

Rumble for as glazed as it is ends up being lower overall pt dps cause u are losing 10% def reduction, which can be fixed by having a BM which can handle multiple utility and having 2 other DPS class instead.

[tawny siren]

we replaced a bd with a bm

[winged badger]

yea pretty much, unless ur BD has infinite supply of valor stones. You are simply not going to be able to bring everything BM brings to the table.

[stark storm]

Sure buddy. Whatever makes your boat float.

I'm looking forward to VT. Now that was fun... Hopefully I'm out of the game before tt

[median sonnet]

even i do like 430 - 450k with sum

he probably does like 500

cuz hes whale

[tawny siren]

does this look like a whale to you

[median sonnet]

this is like when ppl say "i cant be racist I have black friends"

its the token f2p card set

[stark storm]

asakiyo as much f2p as my friends A E and Sinnister(Neo)

they too are f2p in this case 😄

[polar cosmos]

[hardy plaza]

💩

Yappy is the real whale

[polar cosmos]

f2p

[steel marsh]

where d o you guys check korea updates?

[jagged hull]

Depends what sort of information

Theres news post that often get shared in #💬︱neo-chat

and there's skill patches we get from https://yast.vercel.app/

[jagged hull]

I dont think the point about SF requirement is true for Force Master

Wasnt able to hit the requirement with bleed for bibong or wolf at their min. force

Without summoner anyway

If I played WTD instead of DD I would be even further behind the requirement (assuming no one else would be bringing bleed).

[winged badger]

well when u are running min SF for the dg, i do expect the pt to have bleed and sum .
Although im pretty sure either bleed/sum alone was enough for bibongs.

[floral zodiac]

SF is too varied as an indicator because people can cheat it by equipping trash books. Class diff, skill issue or ping aside. And depending on actual gear, if it’s bloated by mantra. Someone with the same SF with more % card sets will likely outdps the other.

I think esp if you talk about hitting min SF, then this bloated SF issue is much more apparent because people want to qualify for box and easier parties more than caring about their actual dps perhaps.

[sonic aspen]

i wish i actually did dmg on fire kfm

id perma tank everything

and not need any assistance

bring back threat and buff me plzzzz

[tawny siren]

they should just make threat on mantras work unconditionally and the game would already be better

[jagged hull]

@tawny siren Since you seem to be the only person with gm-30 unlocked

I was wondering, does the 3.5ap from gm-30 trigger for every hit (so 5x3.5ap) or is it divided between each hit (so 5x0.7ap)

[nova tendon]

Same question

Also I want to know how much does meteor deal in percent total with 48gm

And the casting frequency

I also go pvp so Im wondering whether wall or meteor worth running

[tawny siren]

it's 5x3.5 ap so 17.5x ap, same for gm 48

this is 1 meteor shower at 30 gm

[nova tendon]

that's a lot of dmg

[jagged hull]

Thanks!

Thats pretty good then

Just hard to find the books

[stark storm]

@jagged hulldo double swap in 2 weeks - problem solved 🙂

my kiddo doing a double swap to dc/dd / ms

she was thinking of rolling something else but everyone is going wl so no point

[south palm]

Imagine 12 man raid just warlock and lancers lol

I'm not giving ncsoft any more money as much as I want to swap to warlock mehh

[tawny siren]

14.2% for me

[nova tendon]

48gm?

[tawny siren]

yeah

[nova tendon]

cool

[nova tendon]

how often do you cast it? like 3 ms per min?

[tawny siren]

about 5ms/min with inferno reset

[south palm]

No good for my ice build then, just another trash fm who seeks celestial skill but can't actually afford it lol

[tawny siren]

you should give blazing wall a try

[winged badger]

does wall only give 3% crit dmg or does it stack up in each hit upto 15%

[south palm]

Ye I'm looking for blazing wall x3 but on eu market has died rip

Stack up to 20% I believe

I'm at work can't check

[winged badger]

so its +30% crit dmg on gm 48

[south palm]

I can't remember

I was talking with grieves about it yesterday

[nova tendon]

the basic one? or purple?

[south palm]

Just out of interest is anyone switching from fm when we get a chance to??

[tawny siren]

i was selling 3 of them a week ago

ended up rerolling them though

[tawny siren]

base inferno

[winged badger]

blazing wall should be higher dps than going 192 wtd.

but not much, but saves u money.

[nova tendon]

aight

[noble citrus]

hii guys, good night !! Given that I have WTD, is Ice Rain or Dragonchar better?

I imagine Dragonchar is better, right?

I saw this video and I was amazed (I know it's Korean)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRL1AAK4Op4

although he plays with DD

[floral zodiac]

You could play any, the bulk of your dps would come from WTD. However, ice rain only good if your ping is low

[stark storm]

@floral zodiacIce rain has nearly half of the DC base AP

and a third of BB

[floral zodiac]

Ok maybe wrong choice of words. Not good, just playable

Ice rain is dogwater if your ping is high

But yea by far and large DChar is most popular

Beam works too if you only care about bossing and dungeons

[stark storm]

wdym bb/wtd just for dungeons ?

my kiddo plays BB / WTD and she farms anything there is

[noble citrus]

I only play PvE. It's true I had a lot of doubts about Dragon Knight, Dragonchar, Ice Rain... I don't really like Wicked, but I love Ice Rain. Plus, I see all the high-level players playing Ice Rain with Wicked.

[stark storm]

including MSP

WTD 1 tap mobs in msp anyway

there is like 2-3 FMs in europe still on Ice rain

most changed

because IR is shaite

they left IR to rot. No buffs on the skill or the extra dmg from Soul badge

Soul Badge gives extra 200% odd on DC 410 on BB and 85% on ice

[noble citrus]

My surprise from the video was that he was using Ice Rain with Dual Dragons.

[stark storm]

DD only with DC makes sense

because of the perma focus and burn and of course now for the V

[noble citrus]

Today I did the WB, I looked at the first 10 characters and only 2 had DC, the rest had Ice with Wicked

I assume the Wicked change was in some patch where they changed it, because I've seen YouTube videos of people using DD and Ice.

I've only been playing for a little over a month and I've tried to find information, but FM is crazy, you can play it in so many different ways.

and many different rotations, It's crazy to my head 😅

[noble citrus]

Some people use DC with DD and others use WTD with DC; I suppose WTD with DC is better, right?

[floral zodiac]

DD is good to bleed

which helps alot for harder dungeons and raids

but for personal dps yea WTD is better afaik

[noble citrus]

And Blazing Bean is in the shitter, like ice Rain says, right?

[sudden flint]

Yes beam is doodoo just send all ur books to me ill trash them

[tawny siren]

if you like ice rain, you have no choice but to combine it with wtd, because the ap/s you can do on ice rain itself is not good enough

[noble citrus]

Yes beam is doodoo just send all ur books to me ill trash them 🤣🤣

[noble citrus]

I imagine so 😔

[tawny siren]

dc is more or less equally good with dd or wtd, you can play a pure dc build with dd, or you can make a build revolving around wtd with dc as your filler

if your ping is high you won't do well with the first variant though

[noble citrus]

I like DE more, my problem is that I like how Ice Rain looks visually but I don't like Wicked and the casting; it's very contradictory 😔

Thank you so much for the help and advice, and sorry for bothering you guys 🥰

[stark storm]

@noble citrusis that in NA ?

in eu i think is like 2-3 fms in top 10 with ice rain and they arent much happier with it

only fub rias and i think luna are on ice

rest bb/dc WTD or DC DD

[tawny siren]

kapri is ice, luna is dc

[stark storm]

i knew there was 3rd but i mixed them up

thanks

well top 10 will change end of april if we lucky

half the fms are rolling other classes

thats how good the clsss is xD

[winged badger]

Bb is jst wicked and suzumia

[stark storm]

my kiddo is on bb too

[winged badger]

O swapped

[stark storm]

she did ... last class change

but she's changing to dc/dd next swap

wtd in dungeons is meh

everyone is telling her to roll WL but ...

however, WB is not really an indicator for strenght. People with more Crit DMG bonds fare better there due to the fact WBs are low lvl. Dungeons benefit those with more crit rate bonds

[noble citrus]

I don't know about Wicked because I can't find it in f4, RiasGremory Ice, Lunarush Fire, Zaoyou Ice, Fub Ice, Yersinia Blazing, ScorpioHelizFm Ice, Alleyezonme Fire, and the last one didn't have a name. Is in EU

[noble citrus]

I like the Force Master better even though it hits harder 😅

It's true that everyone plays with WTD except alleyezonme who plays DD

[noble citrus]

i dont like wtd

[stark storm]

luna iis prob changing to WL, zaoyou too

other people missing on this list are AlexFM ( DC + WTD) who is changing too

[balmy moat]

dont worry me too xD

[stark storm]

Thetractor is DC WTD and changing to WL too

[balmy moat]

most of the fm are changing xD

[noble citrus]

Is everyone switching to him? OMG xD

[stark storm]

most are

WL does double the dmg

[noble citrus]

true

[stark storm]

say asakiyo does 500 ish on Bibo

WL same gear does close to 1 mil and im not kidding

[noble citrus]

top wl, fm and last summ, right

?

[stark storm]

top is DL second best is WL

then Wind KFM light BD

FM Destro

BM

[noble citrus]

I was referring to ranges

[stark storm]

and on the bottom are sin wind bd and summ

DL has 16m extendable love toy

you tell me if its mele 😄

[noble citrus]

true, is middle range

[balmy moat]

whenever i fight as an fm i always see a dl next to me xD

[stark storm]

and if you want to stalk wícked just press alt gr(right alt on the keyboard) and I

you`ll open one of his alts

xD

[winged badger]

Search supersunflower to stalk wicked

[stark storm]

i stalk with on his sin alt 😄

wícked

xD

[noble citrus]

I like the Dragon Call warlock, but I think it's the one that hits the hardest and its mobility is quite limited, I think.

[balmy moat]

its the lowest dps spec for wl

shadow is the best

[stark storm]

outside of leech Dragon Call isnt fun i guess 😄

but dps wise , ICE is considerably lower than shadow

there is like just 1 ice WL xD

[balmy moat]

all of the wl that were on it switched to shadow xD

[noble citrus]

I find the warlock's mobility quite poor

[stark storm]

shadow is as mobile as one can get

not sure what you on about

[noble citrus]

I'm referring to iframes

z and ss

[stark storm]

well and block 😄

[balmy moat]

lel

[noble citrus]

Yes, I forgot 🤦‍♂️

[balmy moat]

was thinking to switch to wl but no iframes to protect yourself xD

i would rather pass xD

[stark storm]

i would`ve liked if you swapped to something else and spare me an extra 30 quid

but hey ho

😄

[balmy moat]

xD

no other classes that are ranged tho xD

[stark storm]

summwoner? 😄

[balmy moat]

ali MEOW

[stark storm]

become a hornet nest little ninja 😄

[balmy moat]

im good 🙂

[noble citrus]

It's a real shame about the Force Master 😔

[tawny siren]

doing 600k now with 48gm meteor

but yeah sour does 2x that

[stark storm]

well sour isnt really a person to compare oneself to

but

yeah

he has 3 secret books, but even without them dmg gap would be huge

[tawny siren]

that 5% dc buff won't help much with that either

[stark storm]

nope

it's crazy how they made one of the trash classes the most op

[noble citrus]

They always did it, it was the same in the bns live , all the new classes were op

[stark storm]

WL was trash on release

they boosted it a touch in SF but not by much

was still shaite

when they did the class buffs they kinda went over the top on it tho

[noble citrus]

But gunner, bard, warden, all the ones that appear in the top

[stark storm]

wman warden with them 1 zillion ani locks had dmg but 0 mobility

such a shaite class

[noble citrus]

But the boss never threw you

Just tank and don't move at all

a tower

[stark storm]

well bm had infinite iframes

so the not moving at all was easy to fix 😄

and selfish personal hmb 😄

[winged badger]

playing wl is like inflicting self harm, actually cancer to play.

[balmy moat]

quite a shame they forgot to add iframes to bm in neo

[noble citrus]

It's more fun, I think.

[winged badger]

running yeti once with friend's wl was the most painful thing ever.

[stark storm]

sorted by technology

[winged badger]

thats jst more dps, not iframes

[noble citrus]

That's what I meant.

[winged badger]

BM still has infinite iframes though , u can straight up live through 12 slams of yeti

without being frozen

[noble citrus]

Maybe I'll give the destroyer a try, but I don't know how good it is

I think you need too many books

[winged badger]

DL is like in b/w u have dmg and bit of iframes, but you have negative self sustain because of how slow the class is in terms of hits.

[noble citrus]

It's on par with the Force in DPS

[south palm]

Teff is right ice rain left in the gutterbut it looks so good so I stay with it . If I cared about dps I would reroll to warlock , lancer, bd or bm

[noble citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/very-good-gif-11417951659847615064

[noble citrus]

I think the same as you, some people play because they enjoy it and some people only play DPS, hats off to you

[tall gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E29wXHm92Q4 o/

[noble citrus]

That's what I meant, almost everyone goes ice

[jagged hull]

Almost everyone

[noble citrus]

80% of force masters use ice

[jagged hull]

No

Not even close

[noble citrus]

not 80.... 70% 😅 xDDD

[jagged hull]

Try lower

[noble citrus]

60 ice, 40 fire, and that's my final offer

[winged badger]

because ice into WTD is what most people's normal progression looks like

WTD ice rain starts hitting hard as soon as u get 48/48

and Ice rain is super friendly on focus cost compared BB/WTD

[jagged hull]

compared to BB?

Its char which is focus hungry

[noble citrus]

Many high-level players stuck with WDT and Ice, what I find strange is seeing level 60 players with Ice, maybe because they like it more even though it hits harder.

[jagged hull]

Beam has historically been the most accessible spec

Its only with dawncrest giving away mystic badge that you can especially pick ice to start with

[winged badger]

but nobody likes being Beam

cause it cant really farm MSP

unless u are geared neough to have WTDs that 1 shot

or ur infernos are strong enough

[stark storm]

@winged badgeryeti is prob the only dng for that .... nowhere else the tab / 4 / ss >> e come nearly as good

@winged badgeryersi farms eaily the whole lvl 80 spot(old 60) with the 4 camps

er 5 if we count the extra 2 mobs

[jagged hull]

I dont know what people like in it, but beam is pretty popular

[winged badger]

she has a billion wtd stacks, its irrelevent at that point.

but for mid game, beam is a terrible place to be at if u are f2p and wants to progress.

[jagged hull]

The only advantage beam has is being high ping friendly

[noble citrus]

I haven't seen almost anyone with Beam, maybe 2 or 3 people

[stark storm]

@jagged hullauto explosion so you can use the infernal and er 5% crit rate ?

410% from badge too

[winged badger]

does not change the fact that BM will never have a point where they dont have "enough" iframes

[stark storm]

@winged badgerhigh lvl dungeons were you constantly gasp for focus due to sub 40-50% crit rate lol

[jagged hull]

Beam + WTD can do good damage with wtd late game

But that doesnt help people early game

[winged badger]

V into self boosted RMB is honestly not really a big difference in DPS compared to V E for insta boost RMB

[stark storm]

@jagged hullnot a clue tbh, yersi was on ice shaite early game

[south palm]

Wtd is nice damage but I still hate 1 5 second cast time I miss my dual dragon days

1.5

[stark storm]

er you just do no dmg for 3 sec, good stuff

[south palm]

I would go drag char I like the look if that but my laptop would melt from gfx ramp up

[winged badger]

its 1 sec to self boost, if u E , you gain 2 fast LMB after 0.5 sec animation if u self boost u get 1 slow LMB for 1 sec, only difference is losing 1 extra LMB

[south palm]

And you can't see boss circles and stuff

[noble citrus]

I thought Ice Rain and DD were compatible, I talked to Salacia and she explained everything to me, it's because of the badge

[stark storm]

@south palmjust remove all animations , problem solved

[winged badger]

and stuff like wolf, u can block the 3rd hit into V without losing boost

[jagged hull]

You need legendary ice rain or silverfrost mystic badge for that

But ice rain itself does bad damage, so combining it with dual dragons is.... not a real build

[south palm]

I have animations for others off ye

[stark storm]

@winged badgeryeah you do literally 0 dmg during mech , and you lose 2 sec to self boost. Just tested.

@jagged hull the new meteor shower looks fun. X after DD to lower CD i guess is a thing

[jagged hull]

Yeah I want it

But the books dont really exist

[stark storm]

10% crit rate and 30% crit dmg may not be much on low content but late game is nice

[jagged hull]

(on the market)

[noble citrus]

Yes, I was able to verify it the other day; in a party there was a Force with Ice and Dual Dragons level 70 and it didn't do more than 24k DPS

[stark storm]

@noble citrus my kid tried to farm lvl 70 mobs back in the day before she got WTD ... 50-60k crits on mobs that had 780k hp wasn't much fun xD

[noble citrus]

jajaja

What was driving me crazy was seeing so many Force Masters with different equipment variations, until I saw them all with Ice and WTD

[south palm]

Doesn't matter I'm rerolling to gunner if it ever comes out.... live nostalgia days to save my sanity

[stark storm]

its not the norm to have the most fms in top 10 WB being on ice

its mainly DC

[noble citrus]

In the end, I think it's about playing to have fun, not obsessing over DPS, which many people do.

[south palm]

Dchar ye and wicked is beam I think still

[noble citrus]

I showed you before, out of 10, 6 or 7 are ice

They were ice*

[winged badger]

its just bns peep norm to forget old meta the moment the skill stops being bis.

[stark storm]

normally is like this with AlexFM and TheTractor in the mix deep in top 10

and those two are on WTD + DC

[winged badger]

thats still 4/10 wtd ice

oh nvm W G swapped to

[stark storm]

you also miss tractor and alex

havent seen them on wb from a while

anyway, i remember Rias saying in some dung he had 9m from Ice rain whilst tractor had 20+ from DC

so yeah ICe is balls

[winged badger]

1 - BB/WTD
2 - DC/DD
3- Ice/WTD
4- Ice/WTD
5- WTD/BB
6- DC/WTD
7- DC/WTD
8- BB/WTD
9- DC/DD
10- Ice/WTD

[winged badger]

not a great comparison ice is going to be weaker than DC, DC is a purely DPS skill while Ice rain is a buff skill.

but yea, should never run Ice/DD, that's just running 2 buff skills together.

[noble citrus]

But that's not the list I sent yesterday 😅

[winged badger]

unless u plan on stacking like 102 celestial or something

[balmy moat]

not but a lot of people wee missing last night

[stark storm]

Wicked swapped to ice for 2 days a month or so ago

went back to bb

xD

[jagged hull]

DD WTD sounds like an interesting build

Whats the secret

[noble citrus]

In the end, BB sounds better than Ice Rain 😵‍💫

[stark storm]

it does 300+ dmg on crit

albeit its a slower skill

however you also have extra crit rate and auto explosion

[noble citrus]

mmm sounds good too

[stark storm]

only downside obv is being single target but your main dmg is aoe so ...

normally BB is like 30% of the dmg

not sure what % is on DC or IR

[jagged hull]

The problem being actually getting legendary wicked twin dragon in the first place

[stark storm]

yeah getting that can be tricky

yersi got her first 2 from the raven neckies back in dec

just over 3k gold for 2 xD

[jagged hull]

Sounds lucky

from what I remember

[stark storm]

rng ... she tried 3rd but after 2.5k gold she just picked the fragie box 😄

[jagged hull]

I think at this point though I would rather recommend dual dragons build because bleed outweights any damage advantage wicked twin dragon might have

If it even deals more in the first place

[stark storm]

depends on his goal and if he gonna pump cash

DD DC V require shaiteloads of books and gear to be good dps

there is like 2 DD / DC FMs in top 10 for a reason xD

[jagged hull]

v isnt a requirement

It does have higher requirements that true

[stark storm]

well it boosted asakiyo dps by over 100k

[jagged hull]

The only reason wtd is much more popular is momentum

People got their WTDs while DD wasnt a viable build

[stark storm]

so i would say if you want ranking it would be required

nah DD is viable spec from January

just not viable enough unless you massive whale

there is a lot of DD fms

just not in top 10

[winged badger]

V is only 14% though, its not necessity.

[jagged hull]

Its not an issue with the build

The people with WTD are simply more geared

[winged badger]

Its probably close to 9 ot 10% cause u are losing 3 stacks of dc to

[jagged hull]

Its a bit of a difficult comparison

Because it depends on if the extra focus allows you to cast more dragonchars

[noble citrus]

I think the game is for having fun and playing however you like, even if you have a bad build

😅

[jagged hull]

Just depends what you like

If your build is bad enough it limits what content you can do

Which can/does impact fun too

[winged badger]

well not being able to do content is probably not good.

[noble citrus]

If we get into other issues where many people don't want to help, or don't want you on the team, you don't end up enjoying the game.

[jagged hull]

It isnt necessarily a matter of helping

[winged badger]

I legit had to quit the game cause Slasher was straight up not hitting the min DPS requirements during Moonwater era as a BM

[lean goblet]

WTB> Dragonchar Purple 3pcs

[jagged hull]

For example without bleed it wouldve taken much longer for me to be able to do Mine

or without some friends playing the broken lancer class

[noble citrus]

Yes, that's the game's fault. The other day, for example, a half-wind, half-lightning BD did something to me, and I didn't care about helping him.

[winged badger]

is it game's fault if you are playing a non intended build combo though?

[jagged hull]

Depends if the non-intended build is good or not

[noble citrus]

It should be balanced, right?

[jagged hull]

You cant balance around every not intended build

[noble citrus]

They're forcing you to acquire specific skills...

[jagged hull]

Ice Rain Dual Dragons is an "intended build" that shouldve been at least viable though

So that is the game's fault

[winged badger]

I do think icerain DD has potential when celestial becomes more accessible

[noble citrus]

That's what I mean, it should be possible to choose DC with DD with WTD or Ice Rain with both as well

and be much closer to having the same damage

[jagged hull]

I wonder how much celestial does on fm

Its gonna be pretty meh on dragonchar wicked twin dragon build I would imagine

Low crit rate, no critical damage buffs

[winged badger]

DC/DD has good proc rate and ok buffs.
Icerain/DD has good proc rate and double buffs.
BB/DD has bad proc rate and double buffs.

[noble citrus]

When there's such a big difference and you're forced to use only those skills, it's the game's fault, and many people don't enjoy it because they're forced to use those skills to deal damage and get accepted into parties.

[jagged hull]

Might have an increased chance to proc Celestial from WTD I guess

[winged badger]

according to lean, everything is 20% regardless of skill

[jagged hull]

It not being able to proc from DD is... weird?

[winged badger]

somethings are just locked once u pick the skill combo

[jagged hull]

Is that 20% correct

[winged badger]

i have no idea.

[jagged hull]

Then you would only get an orb every ~2,5 seconds on dragonchar

Not enough to trigger it on cooldown

That would have WTD trigger it potentially like every 15 or more seconds

I could see it reaching 20 even

[noble citrus]

Wait, are you saying the damage difference is 20%?

[winged badger]

we are talking about celestial thunder proc chance

[noble citrus]

ahh ok

[jagged hull]

The f2p skill

[winged badger]

is DC not 3.3 per sec cast?

[jagged hull]

nope

Not even close

[winged badger]

[stark storm]

wtd on wolf is terrible 😄

flippin jumping dog

[jagged hull]

Up to like about 2.0

[winged badger]

jumps are predictable, its not a big deal

[jagged hull]

But realistically you'll hit less most of the time

[winged badger]

if i can hit my 4/4 with 5 sec cast time a 1.5 sec wtd can hit just fine

tats weird, yast says it has 300 ms gcd

[jagged hull]

Yeah thats wrong

[winged badger]

is ice rain 2.5 / s?

[jagged hull]

I dont know actually

Dragonchar caps at like 2.5/s if you cast no other skills on infinite focus dummy

[winged badger]

is that purple char

or golden char

[jagged hull]

Theyre the same

[winged badger]

hmm, yast has 400 for purple

300 for leggy

[jagged hull]

Besides legendary starting at full speed

and purple the first few being a little slower

but still ends up averaging 2.5 beyond that

^

[jagged hull]

After thinking about it a bit more

Meteor will delay proccing celestial by a second for dd build

[jagged hull]

And every use of dragonblaze, dragonfrost and wildfire will delay it on the wtd build by a second

[tall gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDr1GDdQlF8&pp=ygUcaWNlIGZtIGZyb3plbiBhYm9uZG9uZWQgbWluZQ%3D%3D

[steel marsh]

Is it that easy to even change class? I assume chaning for how the patches goes isn't really a good idea, since a new patch with balance can come at any point that will change the DPS again

[jagged hull]

Balance patches are quite rare

It costs 225g per legendary book to change class

Not cheap, but not impossible either

We already know that FM wont gain much from KRs latest round of balance changes

So by the time the next round happens on KR and reaches our server...

[steel marsh]

Ohh I see. Well as a new player I started with FM, and got the ICE build as they give us that free small kit. Will probably look to change to fire when cards will drop. Will see how it goes xD

[jagged hull]

Note that this depends on how they sell things

and if we even get the class change bundle at all

To go back to your original class you would have to buy 1 or 2 class change bundles (depending on if they give one for free like last time)

As new player chances are you dont have enough to switch for it to be worth using that method

[steel marsh]

have a noob question. I do have the ice rain build right now on me, I mean the begining of it. I just got a green Wicket Twin Dragons book that seems to give lots of damage to the skill. Do I equip it? Does it break the ice rain build ?

[jagged hull]

The cast time is too long

You would only use the legendary version of wicked twin dragons

[steel marsh]

🙁 damn

[stark storm]

In Korea both class change vouchers were paid. To swap your books in the same class, you'll need two paid vouchers. They're with ncoins and not divines.

[nova tendon]

thought it always has been the same for NA/EU?

[stark storm]

@nova tendon er it is. I was just explaining the class swap vouchers Korea got with the tower update( out next update)

[nova tendon]

I play in TW

also had to use NTD instead of divine

😭

[south palm]

So in kr what Did they boost on fm I did see somewhere it was getting a boost but no details

[winged badger]

about 3-5%

[stark storm]

@south palm ice rain. BB and DC got a meager update. Ice rain ap mod went from 4.75 to 5.60 plus extra 2 sec on 48 GM stacks.

[south palm]

Oh ye huge then lol

[weak sleet]

Is it actually a viable buff for Ice rain? Or is it like "whatever"

[winged badger]

its pretty much in line with all of them

3-5% more dmg on all builds

[jagged hull]

Its gonna be less for the wtd builds

1,5-2% for them

(I guess thats only for char wtd actually, dont remember what the other 2 got)

[stark storm]

BB got like 0.5 ap mod and 2.5% extra crit rate

[noble citrus]

Has anyone done a spec comparison? What's the damage difference between BB, DC, and IR?

[tawny siren]

for a comparison you can take a look at how much ap/s those skills do

this only compares the 2 skills on legendary level, including gm effects and lmb/rmb, without taking anything else into account:
DC: 25.9 - 29.6 ap/s -> 27.0 - 30.8 ap/s after buffs
BB: 23.1 - 26.8 ap/s -> 23.5 - 27.2 ap/s after buffs
IR: 18.3 ap/s -> 20.4 ap/s after buffs

the reason dc and bb varies is because it depends on the presence of other fms, especially for bb

[noble citrus]

There can be around a 10% difference in damage between each spec

[dull owl]

the buffs from the recent KR patch seems really lackluster alright

[noble citrus]

as happened with the summoner on bns live? 😵‍💫

[radiant pendant]

How to macro the ice fm, i have legendary ice rain 🧊 🌧️ and wtd 🐉

I mean the burning and both f ice and fire for the wtd cooldown when to hit them

All together

[jagged hull]

You dont macro the f skills

You only macro your 2rt

[radiant pendant]

Kk ty

[inland kraken]

and what is better to macro with leggy ice rain?

22rt or 2rt?

[stark storm]

{HOLDMS:4}2{HOLDMS:2}2RT{HOLDMS:2}2

try this

[nova tendon]

is Blazing inferno meant blazing wall?

[jagged hull]

Yeah

[nova tendon]

Aight, thought it was X for some reason

Im planning to build pvp, is V wall or V meteor good for pvp?

[jagged hull]

I think these skills (damage over time aoes) probably arent ideal for pvp

Cant say that ive pvp in forever though

Afaik ice rain was preferred for pvp back when pvp was more relevant for neo

[nova tendon]

Hmm, I want to use the badge on hit dmg tho, seems pretty good to make a chunk of dmg by surprise

About their DOTs, i have no idea

😭

[jagged hull]

Honestly

You should probably just test it

See if the skill actually ends up doing notable damage in pvp

[nova tendon]

Yeah, aight

[jagged hull]

The skills themself are mostly damage over time

The damage per hit is low

Besides I guess the badge proc on 1st hit

[inland kraken]

even if i have 30ms ping?

[radiant pendant]

Why i have to burn the target while playing on the ice build? Crazy
Is it hard to make proper ice build 😔
Remove wtd and puff the icerain to do as much dmg it will be better

Like the spear master his r does to much dmg make it the same for the ice fm

[winged badger]

Lmb spear is just dumb build by the devs

It had some complexity at start but get enough leggy books and it becomes 1 button.

[stark storm]

@inland kraken well we have 28-32 so I would say so

[wind vigil]

hi guys, what can i expect a purple dc book to cost?

[hardy pond]

400 i think

[wind vigil]

thanks

[jagged hull]

It would probably pay off to wait for next patch/week to see if theres cheaper ways to get a bunch of books btw

[wind vigil]

that makes sense

[tall gorge]

next bp will give 6x purple selection if im not wrong

[south palm]

Does anyone have a b3 spear tanking video pov pls msg or put here. I have some ideas but would like to see some live action footage lol

[nova tendon]

next patch will give x10 leggy selections if Im not wrong

[south palm]

Lmao

With celestial thunder in the box if you wish....

[tall gorge]

yea and they will give transcendent wb weapon too

[radiant pendant]

Why I don’t like the way im doing dmg
I played fm for ice rain
I dont like casting wtd
They destroy the class specifically the destroyed ice fm imo

[median sonnet]

wdym you dont like the way ur doin dmg

what dmg

[radiant pendant]

What class to swap to guys

[hardy pond]

Whatever class dont go BD

[median sonnet]

and no bm

and no sin

[polar cosmos]

#1498743798082048142 message

Join sin

We promote awareness

[hardy plaza]

thats racist

[median sonnet]

uhh

i have bm friends

i cant be racist

[hardy plaza]

ye i heard something similar

[noble citrus]

I think you should play the class you like best and create the build that feels most comfortable. I've seen a lot of FMs and almost none of them play the same way. The important thing is to enjoy the game. I follow a guy on Twitch, and his main is Ice Rain with Warlocks of the Sun, and his alt plays Ice Rain with Dual Dragons. The important thing is to have fun, and they all focus on DPS

That's my opinion 🤷‍♂️

You can drive it hybrid if you want, the important thing is to enjoy it and let them say what they want...

[jagged hull]

Whats Warlocks of the Sun 🤔

[noble citrus]

sorry

??

[jagged hull]

You confused yourself? 😅

[steel marsh]

going for the meta all the time isn't that good. You will change your class, and then next patch who knows what happens. Then you'll change again and again?

[jagged hull]

There's a difference between changing to whatever is the best class

and playing builds that actively hinder you in progressing

Like Ice Rain + Dual Dragons

[noble citrus]

Yes, I don't agree with you, but then you try all the classes until you find one that's the one you want, and I've seen FM in thousands of different ways

[jagged hull]

there's no thousands of different ways

There's 4,5 builds basically

(beam/char/ice + wtd, char + dd, and arguably beam + dd)

[noble citrus]

The guy on Twitter plays with Ice Rain and a dual blade and does a lot of damage because he adds the Z for Fire. What I mean is that you can enjoy using different skills. I know everyone focuses on DPS, but if you play with the "required" setup and you're not happy... why are you playing at all?

[jagged hull]

z for fire???

[noble citrus]

Use Z to burn the boss, then follow up with Ice Rain and Dual Dragon.

[jagged hull]

Why would you even care about Burn with that build

[noble citrus]

And that's what he likes (I've seen the damage and it's pretty good)

[jagged hull]

Its not

and I hope nobody reads this thinking that it is lol

[noble citrus]

That's what he said in the video

[jagged hull]

then he's wrong

or playing a significantly different version from ours

(or outgears whatever content he's doing to the point that anything is good)

[noble citrus]

He plays on NA, he has two FMs, one Ice with TWD and another Ice with Dual

[jagged hull]

Then wrong it is

[noble citrus]

At level 61, he maintains 130k DPS on Nexus

People are forced to play with "X" books no matter what, and many people don't enjoy the character.

[jagged hull]

Force?

[jagged hull]

Massive snowball?

[noble citrus]

yep

[jagged hull]

That's not a yes/no question

[noble citrus]

only 2ice rain, r, t,f, z (z fire)

[noble citrus]

Then explain yourself better 😉

[jagged hull]

Supreme force

[jagged hull]

^

[noble citrus]

He's missing purple books, he's level 61 and has free slots, I don't think he has much Supreme Force

[steel marsh]

I don't think you deal so little damage that you can't do the game content. But I don't know.

[jagged hull]

Good luck doing abandoned mine for example

or raids

even bibong without exceeding its max. force

[steel marsh]

in a group why wouldn't you be able to do it?

[jagged hull]

Because they require a lot of damage

[noble citrus]

I even checked its FPS and it has 60 and ms and it has 45

He does all the dungeons, from mines down below

I've been watching him on Twitch for days 🤷‍♂️

[tawny siren]

doing mines at 61 is pretty badass ngl

[noble citrus]

Anyway, you need to know the boss's mechs perfectly to know when to use WTD. In several dungeons, they interrupt your skill if you don't know exactly when to cast it. Goodbye DPS, I've seen it many times.

Yes, he's playing with pros; his main uses Ice Rain and WTD, and his alt is the one who's level 61 and uses Ice Rain with DD.

[tawny siren]

so what you're saying is, he's getting carried and whatever build he's playing doesn't matter

[noble citrus]

I've seen his DPS list and he's 4th or 5th... but they're already explaining it to me, it's because of the cards his main character is using

[stark storm]

well fm is so good the whole fm community is going for WL 😄 😄

[steel marsh]

is so sad to me I don't like any other classes

the FM mobility is just too nice

[jagged hull]

4th on 4-player Mine? 😅

[noble citrus]

Who told you about mines? Because I didn't write that. 😉

in bibong and in yeti if I saw it 4 and 5

[jagged hull]

🤔

[noble citrus]

He does mine, yes; he doesn't get 4 in mines

It's different... don't twist what I'm saying

[jovial ocean]

if i just wanted to farm msp for leveling what build would be best? ice rain im guessing

[stark storm]

Wtd. Full stop

Whatever the filler

You will just need to learn to stack and position better then it's just bang dead. Ice rain alone works on 60s mobs and that's about it

[jovial ocean]

gotcha ty

[south palm]

I was going for shadow warlock for a vicious rumour is going around saying its a swipe to change. You can't use gems

So I am accepting ncoin gift card for feet picks

I will even have a go at paining my toe nails for extra ncoins

[sudden flint]

i mean you couldnt use gems last time, so im guessing its the same

[winged badger]

yea, its ncoin just like last time

[south palm]

There was free one last time at least.

I'm only paying my hard earned money my for gunner reroll and doesn't look like its coming any time soon

So probably just keep going for little gains every other day

[abstract trellis]

Quick question is any madman fm here who is playing bb/dd/ms build

How is it doing compared to other builds

[polar cosmos]

Might be outdated info but was Wìcked bb/did ?

[abstract trellis]

Wdym

[median sonnet]

ms?

whats ms

[abstract trellis]

Meteor shower

[median sonnet]

@edgy python plays blazing beam dual dragons

but i dont think he has meteor

and its

[abstract trellis]

[median sonnet]

doesnt rly make sense to play dd with beam (other than if you like beam, of course)

they made it for char/rain

(but rain is ass so char basically)

they made it give hella focus

[abstract trellis]

Ok sadge so og fire fm not that good

[jagged hull]

I mean char is fire too? 😅

[median sonnet]

nope

[abstract trellis]

Nah don't like char that much

And thinking back char was never a thing during the time i played fm

[median sonnet]

well

it was for

15 seconds

[abstract trellis]

Either blazing or ice rain

[median sonnet]

while u had the

cool black outfit on

or did u quit before they released wl?

[abstract trellis]

Ah true

Oh and when you took flower on last boss et

[median sonnet]

well yea xddd

[abstract trellis]

There you had a op dragon char aswell

[median sonnet]

i like that they made sb give you dragonchar

not beam

switched up the playstyle a bit

[abstract trellis]

True

[median sonnet]

i alwayds associated char with power

back then

[south palm]

I would go char but whenever I party with a char enjoyer my gfx card melts a little bit

[nova tendon]

Im playing this

still need more books tho. F5 is so blank

[abstract trellis]

[nova tendon]

msp is a little bit harsh ofc. Only 45g/30mins

😭

especially how crowded nowadays in TW

[south palm]

45g/30 muns is good I'm lucky if I get that as ice/wtd

[abstract trellis]

I mean dosen't sound too bad

I ain't making much more on destro

[nova tendon]

😭

No more Zeta The Des?

Zeta the FM incoming?

[nova tendon]

with DD/BB build

we still gotta do AOE farming strat

DD reduces its cool down by 3s/mob it hit with burned

[south palm]

You will miss your dps

[nova tendon]

yes sir I will

[south palm]

Going from destro to fm is like going from BMW to kia.... for dps

Save how helicopter players

[nova tendon]

FM is going rare on TW server

10 lancers every 1 square meter

[abstract trellis]

It's just maybe

I mean back in live i was fm main 80% of the time

[nova tendon]

[median sonnet]

i thought u was rat

[nova tendon]

where

[median sonnet]

[nova tendon]

[abstract trellis]

I mean it ain't that big of a difference tbh

I think like 10% less dps in higher gear

Maaaayybee 20%

[south palm]

Depends on the boss obviously jumping bosses are hard work for melee

[median sonnet]

if u go beam dd

itll be like

60%

[abstract trellis]

I mean i could test stuff

And roll back if it's complete trash

[nova tendon]

[abstract trellis]

But nah didn't really make my mind up yet

[median sonnet]

no, its complete trash

no need to test it

welllllll

ok not COMPLETE

[south palm]

I just think in the state of the game warlock or lancer is better option

[median sonnet]

but its like, probably the worst build in the game rn

[south palm]

Can't understand why anyone who has played a while would want to go fm

[median sonnet]

beam dd i mean

char dd for example is pretty good

[haughty bough]

wouldnt ice dd be worse

[south palm]

Akiro was doing pretty good with it

[median sonnet]

good question

[south palm]

Or was akiro char

Ice and anything is 🐕

💩

The only good thing about fm is mobility

And wtd dilutes that a lot, which we are kinda forced to play

[median sonnet]

i mean best fm build rn is char dd meteor

[jagged hull]

I like how bleed does more damage than I do

[median sonnet]

[nova tendon]

How bour BW?

[south palm]

I need to find a way to get 3x blazing wall without gambling or spending real 💰, is it even possible

[median sonnet]

actually beam wtd is just as good i think

its hard to say

but char has bleed

[abstract trellis]

I mean looking how close asa is to wicked i guess char dd meteor might be better

[median sonnet]

i just checked their gear

[abstract trellis]

But yeh i guess wtd got way more rng

[median sonnet]

its almost the same so

in terms of dmg its about the same ig

[nova tendon]

I play pvp frequently so WTD is not my type

[median sonnet]

ahhh

[nova tendon]

[median sonnet]

jesus christ

so many books

hand them over

btch

[nova tendon]

I wish

[south palm]

When will our market look like this...

Oh wait it's a playerbase driven market there is no playerbase.....

[steel marsh]

what are yo uguys using for macro?

[steel marsh]

yo @median sonnet Ty for party on yeti! ❤️

[south palm]

Macro isn't allowed in bns. You have to get carpel tunnel

[median sonnet]

no worries

[nova tendon]

Pvp with FM Beam/DD

[radiant pendant]

Great but why u dont have the tornado 🌪️ to break his block it will be easier for u to kill
The green book 📗

Ooh nvm u have it but didn’t use it mybad 🫱🏻‍🫲🏼

[nova tendon]

I had, but wasnt think much about it

[median sonnet]

that is not a facepalm.....

xdddd

[nova tendon]

that's a dab

[median sonnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1443218398535352331.webp?size=96&animated=true

[abstract trellis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1443218398535352331.webp?size=96&animated=true

[floral zodiac]

Any tips for dealing with harpy on 36F of ToR?

[jagged hull]

am not enjoying this fight too

You tried with Imitation yet?

[floral zodiac]

Nope. It’s my alt so I only tried a few pulls. Just wondering if anyone has tips to survive its full rotation. Even with tab parry and 1 it won’t cover all the kicks and dashes (?)

Ice tab cd would work like once every min only

[jagged hull]

The dumbest thing is imitation causing a range check

[nova tendon]

When FM get normal block

[median sonnet]

ive done it with imitation

if u time it well u can block all 4 attacks

im not even sure what the range check is but ive had no problem with that

[nova tendon]

Some of the mobs ingame will do a range attack when we stand too far. For e.x is the grab from yunsang when > 8m

[median sonnet]

XDDDD

i know what a range check is mf

i dont know what it is on harpy tho

[nova tendon]

Ah

[median sonnet]

the

kiss

thingy?

[winged badger]

yea kiss

[median sonnet]

huh

i thought that was part of normal rotation

[nova tendon]

Kiss my lyn

[winged badger]

it is

[nova tendon]

[median sonnet]

[winged badger]

but she also does it

if u go too far

[median sonnet]

i see

[nova tendon]

When will imitation make us resist in 0.5s after succes block

[median sonnet]

i can try to make a vid of f36

[jagged hull]

It feels pretty rng if itll block the 4th hit tbh

[steel marsh]

I opneed the warrior welcome new player chest and got a lot of ICE rain books and ice related spells. Is there any up 2 date guide? Or anyone could share their build? I know the blue books are not that strong, but hey, better than nothing or my green + blue ones haha

also 3 purple selection books

[jagged hull]

Grab Ice Rain, Force Blast [1] and Blazing Palm purple + Massive Snowball [ice x], Cold snap [ice z] and Frost Palm blue (or purple, but blue works too.)

[steel marsh]

thank you

[neat roost]

WTS EU ! Pm Offer !

[nova tendon]

does any of the 1 leggy skills actually work?

[jagged hull]

Unfortunately yes

[nova tendon]

I mean, we would use it in our rotation?

[jagged hull]

Theyre basically useless

[nova tendon]

[proud ore]

Hello~
question about skill/gm/dmg:

Context: I have 1 x legendary Dual dragon and just got a 3 set of purple skill books for free thanks to the WarriorBoost chest
Therefore I am wondering what should I do with those and in dilemma between followings:

WTD 18 points GM (3xPurple skills) = 65K dmg + additional focus +5 on critical

                                               vs

Dual D 30 points GM (1xLegendary & 3xPurple Skills) = 40K dmg + 10% crit rate for 10sec

Any advice would be sincerely appreciated! Thanks!

[jagged hull]

WTD is unusable without at least 1 legendary copy.

Do you already have all of the purple books that matter for your build?

[nova tendon]

play what you want, wtd need leg atleast tho

[cursive turret]

dual dragons 18gm says reduces cd by 3s, but neither the dd cd or other skill cds are going down when hitting burnt enemies. how does the 18gm work?

[jagged hull]

The target has to have burn on it already

Then when you cast dd it reduces its own cooldown by 3 seconds

[cursive turret]

ok i see the cd is 15, got it

and im 48dchar/30dd all purple on an alt right now, if i can only have one legendary book, would i get dd over dchar, for the free burn so i can get rid of wildfire?

and extra focus regen

[median sonnet]

you should get leggy dchar first if you dont have it

[cursive turret]

i see, ok thanks

[median sonnet]

hmmmm

or

actually i think dual dragons is a better first leggy

[cursive turret]

i was thinking that cuz itll free up an extra purple dchar and ill be at "maximum boost" whatever that is

[median sonnet]

the biggest gain should be the focus regen

i assume you are running out of focus pretty constantly now

also the 30% cdmg is pretty massive at ur lvl

[nova tendon]

Leggy DD's cd is 12s

[cursive turret]

im purple

[nova tendon]

Use dd one time then use dragonfrost or dragon flame to reset then hit it one more

[jagged hull]

Wish it would self trigger the cdr

[cursive turret]

ok so leggy dd if i can only have 1 leggy on this alt

[nova tendon]

yes

😭

[nova tendon]

[jagged hull]

The Inferno book seems actively bad

[nova tendon]

Is meteor or blazing wall better? The person above said they are pretty similar

Im annoyed with 10m range of BW

[abstract trellis]

bw gonna be painful if you have to range tank

[jagged hull]

10m is fine

Its good that it doesnt require 5m like the purple version

[jagged hull]

Dont know, but I think it depends on your build too

Dragonchar can take advantage of the focus gain on meteor

Whereas a WTD build probably prefers the cdmg on wall

I assume thats better than stacking more WTD books, but dont know that for sure

[jagged hull]

Like I could see Fiend Fire, but Inferno book just increases the cooldown on X for no benefit.

[nova tendon]

agreed, I would use the basic one

and Fiend fire for pvp

[noble citrus]

hi!! Are Dragon Charm and Dual Dragon better than Ice Rain and WTD?

[tawny siren]

yes

[noble citrus]

Thnkx!!

☺️

[cursive turret]

whys everyone ice rain/WTD?

in end game, is dchar/dd competitive vs icerain/WTD or any WTD/X build?

[tawny siren]

ice rain/wtd used to be the best fm build until both dragonchar and blazing beam got buffed

people haven't felt the need to swap builds would be my guess

and yeah, dragonchar/dd is competitive vs the other fm builds

[noble citrus]

I didn't know Blazing had been improved; I was told Ice Rain was better than Blazing

They said Blazing was the worst and didn't work well.

[median sonnet]

u got trolled

[noble citrus]

🥲

[median sonnet]

thats what you get for listening to fat fatass

[nova tendon]

BB kinda okay I guess? Im doing over 200k in machi altho im just only 26k SF

The prob is no aoe so I did make spare 48gm dragonchar build to farm msp

[noble citrus]

🤦🏻‍♂️ omg

[noble citrus]

BB looks great, it's not that big visually, but it only hits one target and that's the bad thing.

[nova tendon]

For me I only need aoe for msp farm tho. I have a 48gm dragonchar gear set for that

for the rest of the content. BB/DD does kinda alright

DD does a little bit aoe also. Hitting many burned targets at the same time makes DD reduce its cd

Like hitting 4 burned targets make DD instantly ready for the next cast

[noble citrus]

Oh, I didn't know that.

Thanks for the info

[nova tendon]

yeah, 3s reduction per burned target

[floral zodiac]

The higher your ping, the better BB would be than ice or char I guess. Most ping friendly

[noble citrus]

I play with 60 ms

[nova tendon]

Me 55ms

[noble citrus]

So we're more or less in the same boat 🤗

[median sonnet]

🚣‍♂️

[nova tendon]

[south palm]

The boat turned into a sinking ship long time ago . Now we sunk and not coming back....

[stark storm]

I still don't understand wtd fms complaining about BB being single target ins msp

My kiddo used to farm like 120+ gold and even waiting for respawn.

Get good on stacking and wtd will one shot everything anyways

[abstract trellis]

Destroyers are falling apart aswell

From the big 5 only 2 remain

[south palm]

Maybe I'm bad msp, but never really we t above 100 gold in a hour and i kill fast but sometimes I feel bugged for 282% xp bonus I never get as many big bonus guys or piggy spawn as most

Like I watch madon he will get 10-15 big guys sometimes more in an hour I'm lucky if i get 3-5

Saying that though i managed to hit 284% xp bonus and 2 new card sets last night and in a quick 30 min session hit 60 gold no piggy but a lot of big guys.

[jagged hull]

Pig has felt more rare lately

[south palm]

I haven't been getting whitelights either for about a week now

[winged badger]

its all rng

i generally get 1-3 pigs per hr and big guys every 5-6 camps

[south palm]

you have some great rng i think you got mine when it was dished out

[noble citrus]

My critical hit rate is still too low; three mobs can kill me 🤦🏻‍♂️

[noble citrus]

How do I get the bonus?

[south palm]

You have to roll on your gear xp bonus 280% is max but then you can specia card sets upto 20%

[proud ore]

ohhh thank uuuu then i might as well just get the Dual Dragon.... all my skillbooks are blue except 1 x legendary dual dragon and 1 x Dragon Char 😛

[cursive turret]

other than damage and -1 focus cost, what does legendary dragonchar offer over purple? what exactly does "maximum boost" mean? is the -1 focus cost the result of it being max boosted? currently have legendary DD

[jagged hull]

First cast(s?) are slower without boost

[cursive turret]

legendary DD grants max speed, so for an alt the price isnt worth it since it isnt a HUGE upgrade from purple -> legendary dchar, not like DD(adds burn), and WTD(extra cast)

[floral zodiac]

i mean if it's the first book it's still a good upgrade from purple purely for higher modifier and free 12GM stacks

[cursive turret]

currently 48 DD with leggy, and 48 dchar with purples, maybe i wont rush getting leggy dchar 😮