Force Master

[median sonnet]

with palm 10%

and dd 5%

[jagged hull]

Hmm I saw dual dragons >10% 🤔

But small sample size

[median sonnet]

it shouldnt be that high

[jagged hull]

But I think no fiend fire and wall/meteor is wrong

[median sonnet]

fiend fire is okay, but its cd is too long to warrant the book slot

it barely does more damage than a dragonchar

and meteor is bad cause it is a 1s gcd, in that time u can do like 2.2 dragonchars

[jagged hull]

Hmm I guess at very high gm the opportunity cost becomes too much

[median sonnet]

yea

char is 11.24x ap per cast, u have like 100+ gm that takes it to 23-24x ap

fiend fire is 27x and 37x ap

[jagged hull]

Its ~2.7x at 100

So I guess at 100gm double fiend fire basically equals the opportunity cost (or does the 2nd cast have that same 1s gcd 🤔 )

Wall/Meteor shower ends up similar

From some quick math

[median sonnet]

oh, no fiend fire has a 300s gcd

if it was 1s it would be terrible, cuz you would compare it to 2.2 chars

300s each cast, its basically a dragonchar

[jagged hull]

Oh right, its wall/meteor with the 1s

[median sonnet]

meteor is even worse at 37x ap, even if it gives 5 focus

[jagged hull]

• sf badge

[median sonnet]

ah

yea its ~50x ap

so about the same thing, as much as 2 chars, which u do in 1s

[jagged hull]

Shame I gotta leave this class soon

Too many trash books to fix

[median sonnet]

well be gettin new leggies soon in kr

probably meteor/wall or inferno

[jagged hull]

Meteor Shower

[median sonnet]

and maybe some scraps for ice

[jagged hull]

Cold Snap

Would be cool if they could make Impact not a strictly worse Dual Dragons

[sharp jacinth]

WTS NA

[tawny siren]

it's 88-89% dragonchar, 5% palm, 5% dd

[median sonnet]

ah, i saw a pic with 86%

but i guess it varies a lil

[tawny siren]

playing with meteor shower over a purple dragonchar book reduces my dps on a dummy by 10k, even if meteor shower itself ends up doing 16k dps

playing with both fiend fire and meteor shower reduces it even more

[jagged hull]

Feels 156 stacks 😅

[south palm]

Wtb 1x leggy ice rain or a trash leggy fm book on EU

I should have switched to warlock and guided the gold zzzzz it was just too much

[zenith moss]

I havent played FM in NEO. Bunch of noob questions:
What is the rotation for say Dragonchar and Idk... Twin Dragon or Dual Dragon

[merry hearth]

dchar rotation/dragonchar rotation (easier to search for others who ask this question)
lmb rmb 2 or rt2 - same keys, just on mouse vs keyboard for macro'ing
use a combination of wildfire, balefire, meteor shower to your preference off cooldown - just search for these on the discord and you'll find what's suited for your situation. if you have leggy dchar and/or leggy wtd/dd, you dont need any of these skills
use wtd/dd off cd as well, and alternate it with the fire and ice f skills to decrease wtd/dd cd with the mystic badge

[neat roost]

WTS EU :p

[atomic axle]

@jagged hull hello. May I ask if there is any party buff skill book that I am expected to have in dungeon ?

[jagged hull]

Not in your base kit

But its useful to setup a second accessory with knockdown and frost sheath

[brisk urchin]

wts EU

[pallid vortex]

WTS Wicked Twisted Dragon 19k on market NA

[pallid vortex]

Are they going to buff Dual Dragons dragonchar build? It is far too weak compared to Wicked Twisted build and Far too weak compared to other classes.

[latent tulip]

WTS Leg WTD 30k EU

[latent tulip]

WTS Leg Dragoncharr EU pmo

[proud ore]

Hi new to Neo (used to play Live FM) and i was told i have to be cautious playing or getting skillbooks... where can i get the information?

[shell flax]

just swipe and you be good

[median sonnet]

hmm

first you have to decide which spec you want to play, the people here xan help you with a build

as a new player the options u have are blazing beam, dragonchar or ice rain

if u remember those skills from live

[proud ore]

Thank you @median sonnet !! I like flame so i'd go with either blazing beam and dragonchar! Whichever is easier to play with haha

[median sonnet]

beam is a bit easier i guess?

but they are both pretty simple

beam is also better on higher ping

[proud ore]

ohh kk ill go with beam!

[median sonnet]

if ur in that situation

hmm

for beam you want uhh

[proud ore]

i just used the free soul boost and only have basic gear haha

(created char today)

[median sonnet]

you should finish the dawncrest storry, and then do the soul pass

in f11

[proud ore]

ohhh ookkok what is dawncrest story?

[median sonnet]

then try to finish the battlepass for 1 purple books

[median sonnet]

the main story after lvl 50

[proud ore]

so I dont have to change anything for skills now?

[median sonnet]

tho the quests might be orange not sure

[proud ore]

ahh okok

[median sonnet]

you should have a chest where u can pick 1 of 3

[proud ore]

found it!

[median sonnet]

paths

just pick the blazing beam one

[proud ore]

i think it is this?

[median sonnet]

yes

[proud ore]

ahh okok thanks!

and then i go finish the story mode?

[median sonnet]

hover over em one should have beam

[median sonnet]

yes

then u look in push rewards

[proud ore]

okok awesome yeah found it!

push rewards?

[median sonnet]

get ur ticket

its in the esc menu

[proud ore]

ohh

i got the soul boost ticket

[median sonnet]

yes

the soul boost is on f11

u finish that after story

somehow....

[proud ore]

ohhh okok

loooll

thankssss

you are awesome thank youuu

[median sonnet]

no worries

[proud ore]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dance-cat-cat-meme-chinese-cat-gif-976063674860120100

[median sonnet]

we get legendary meteor shower and wall

[jagged hull]

Its happening 👀

They listened to our complaints

[median sonnet]

only ice gets

ignored again

[jagged hull]

Ice can use those skills too

Its the privilege for easy frost orbs

Leggy coldsnap wouldve been cool though 😔

[median sonnet]

hmm

[proud ore]

Question about FM skills:
can FM Heatwave skill path also has the Meteor skill like Flame skillpath? or is it unique to Flame only? (just wondering before selecting the skillbook, because i like the Meteor skill effect 😄 )

Also, which soul badge and mystic badge are best ones?

[merry hearth]

if im using leggy wtd with 48gm+ dchar, do i need 30/48gm or is 12/18gm on wtd okay?

[floral zodiac]

What is this question. WTD is likely the bulk of your dps

If you wanna spam char go DD instead

[merry hearth]

everytime u talk to me

i just get bullied

😭

[merry hearth]

yeahhh

i realise that now v_v

im being told that i need 48gm v.v

time to grind

[proud ore]

what is gm?

[proud ore]

does it mean it is better to get Dual Dragon skillbook over the Twin Dragon or Dragonchar?

what should I get for FM Heroic skill book?

[jagged hull]

More copies of a skill = More damage

Certain skills additionally unlock extra effects at 18/30/48

[jagged hull]

You should really figure this out before you attempt to class change

We also dont know what you own in terms of books, and what build youre planning to play

(No idea what "heatwave skill path" includes)

[proud ore]

just started with Dark lancer and then changed to FM so i dont have any skillbook equipped yet

got no plan or build as I am too noob to make a plan....

the level 50 booster gave a skill book chest that has a selectable skill book with a series of skills like above and just wondering what is best one to start with

[proud ore]

ohh I see thanks! that's good to know!

[jagged hull]

Is this the character youll be claiming the legendary book coupon on?

[proud ore]

yes!

some says to get legendary Wicked dragon but then some says to get Dual and others say Dragonchar....

[jagged hull]

If you have 1 legendary book your options are Wicked Twin Dragon or Dragonchar

[proud ore]

How do they differ?

[jagged hull]

Wicked Twin Dragon you would then be playing with Beam, Dragonchar or Ice Rain

[proud ore]

how about Dragonchar then?

wait hold on...but you said I should get a legendary book of either Wicked Twin Dragon OR Dragonchar....but then the Wicked Twin Dragon would make me play Beam or Dragonchar??

[jagged hull]

Wicked Twin Dragon is your F skill

Which would be doing the majority of your damage

Dragonchar/Beam/Ice Rain would be spammed while WTD is on cooldown

In the other build Dragonchar would be doing the majority of your damage, but that build really wants you to have more than 1 legendary skill

[proud ore]

oh ok since I wont be getting any additional lgendary skillbook anytime soon, it'd be logical to go with Wicked Twin Dragon for the legendary then?

[proud ore]

that makes perfect sense thanks for the kind explanation!

about the "build", is there any document with the list of build for FM that I can use as a reference to follow?

[jagged hull]

Yes

[jagged hull]

https://youtu.be/Fi8NdKnGJYA

You can watch this to get a general idea of beam, dragonchar and ice rain

But once youve decided which you wanna play you should ask here for which books you actually need (the video is old)

[proud ore]

ohh this is great thanks!!!

[proud ore]

will do!

[jagged hull]

Ice Rain is probably the most convenient one you can pick (Ice skills help you generate Frost Orbs which you need for WTD)

Dragonchar should have the highest potential damage, but that does want you to have the legendary variant of it also

Beam you can play with the least amount of additional books, and is high ping friendly

[proud ore]

thank uuuuu for the video it explains well about the 3 distinct builds!!

as ice seems to be the best out of 3, in terms of dmg, but since I cannot spend money on the game, I would have to go with Blazing Beam build (my pc ping up to 60)

[floral zodiac]

beam is not even that bad since the recent buffs. if you run it with WTD you will be fine

[proud ore]

my next question was going to be about badges, but the video already indicates that I should go with the Blazing Beam Soul Badge and Meteor Mystic Badge haha that was perfect! 🙂

[proud ore]

ohhh it was buffed recently? that's good to know thanks!

[jagged hull]

Oh no

That wouldve been the wrong mystic badge lol

[proud ore]

I got a legendary Blazing Beam skill book.... is it better to change to Wicked Dragon skill book or should I keep the blazing beam since I will use the Blazing beam build?

[proud ore]

oh...is that the outdated part of the video?

[floral zodiac]

you need leggy WTD for it to work

beam can be purple

because purple WTD by itself is trash

[proud ore]

oh? really?

[floral zodiac]

leggy beam vs purple beam is just damage diff

[jagged hull]

Yes

[floral zodiac]

but leggy WTD changes the cast effect

[proud ore]

so if I get a legendary WTD, I should not get another WTD in purple? some said I should stack those...

[floral zodiac]

you can stack purples

but you need 1 leggy base

[jagged hull]

Theres a mystic badge that reduces the cooldown on WTD

[proud ore]

okay got it so I should get a legendary WTD

[proud ore]

ohhh

if I am going for the blazing beam build, and I got a legendary WTD skillbook, then what should I get for the purple skillbook?

and mystic badge (that reduces WTD cooldown?)

[jagged hull]

How many purple books do you have

[proud ore]

just 1 from the achievement... just started this character last night haha

[jagged hull]

Soul boost has a book too

[proud ore]

ohh really?? thank you! I did not know

[jagged hull]

https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="TraitView"&p="NEOEU210126"&class="ForceMaster"&spec=0&neoSkills="H4sIALUXg2kAA2vaEpyak5pckpoSnJ2Zk5OUn5_tmVI8qXGRZ8pZxusQ6s1GsJxvYnFJalFlcEliSWrjNhQhsBGZ-XnFDQD4mTsKUAAAAA"

I think you would want those two to be your first

[proud ore]

blazing beam and wild fire?

[latent tulip]

WTS Leg WTD 23k, Leg DCharr 21.5k EU

[proud ore]

?? you can sell those skillbooks?

[proud ore]

wooow this is an amazing website did you built this???

[proud ore]

it looks like this one yeah?

[jagged hull]

Yes

[jagged hull]

I did not, but its definetly amazing

[jagged hull]

Yes the books with the purple highlight

Make sure you pick the right version

(Wildfire gives you 100% uptime on Burn for beam and wtd)

[jagged hull]

Only tradable versions, the free book is not

Not entirely sure which soul badge you would wanna take

[proud ore]

what do you mean by the version.... are there difference among Purple Heroic skill book?

[jagged hull]

If you go to the website and click on the Z skill (for fire stance)

Youll see that there are two of them at purple tier

[proud ore]

these?

[jagged hull]

I meant the skillbooks tab

[proud ore]

ohh the blazing beam and wildfire

I understood that I should get 2 Purple skillbooks for those

but then you mentioned about picking the right version? What do you mean by that?

[jagged hull]

If you click on the skill you see the skilltree

So you just wanna make sure that youre picking the one I selected

[proud ore]

ohhhhhhhhh

I see I see thank youuuu so much omg!! I would have never guessed and got confused if you hadn't explained kindly woooww

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[pallid vortex]

Legendary fiend fire or inferno would have been,better :"(

[proud apex]

I have 4 legendary books, would it be better to go WTD/Dchar or DD/Dchar?

[proud ore]

why?

[jagged hull]

Probably doesnt like the newly released legendary blazing wall and meteor shower (kr)

[jagged hull]

It's quite difficult to get a comparison

Because you gotta find two people with similar gear

It seems to me like theyre equal-ish under ideal circumstances

(WTD probably a little higher, but Dchar+DD has bleed to compensate)

I think the biggest differences is in situation where you cant dps freely during parts of the fight. If you have WTDs cooldown going down naturally during that part you can get a significant advantage over dchar+dd

[shell cave]

does anyone know about the new skill called celestial thunder?

[median sonnet]

what about it?

[jagged hull]

Better to forget that it exists

[shell cave]

I mean, how do I open it?

[median sonnet]

you need to have the skill book

just go in the transmute menu and craft it

its rng tho, you will need on average about ~200 leggy pages? i think

[shell cave]

damn then

[median sonnet]

well

salacia gave you the best advice regarding this one

[shell cave]

what about the transmutation event, there is a virtuous bound skill book selection chest

(leggy)

[median sonnet]

what about it?

u cant select the celestial thunder skill if thats what ur askin

[surreal crypt]

guys, know someone streamer or video using FM Ice Rain with Wicked?

[proud ore]

Question about FM skill:
If I got the legendary WTD skill book (I believe that replaces Dual Dragons skill), then should I also change the existing Blue Superior Dual Dragons skill book to blue superior WTD skill book as well to add more damage? Is that how it works?
Please let me know thanksss

[south palm]

Ye wtd and dual dragons are different they will conflict if you have both on your gear. You will see a little yellow triangle

Just stack 1 but tbh wtd is t worth unless you got leggy version

2.5 second cast is too long

Just stack your main skill till then

[shell cave]

well, tyfi

[median sonnet]

grieves plays ice rain wtd, https://www.twitch.tv/not_grieves

theres also this korean streamer https://www.youtube.com/@dotol_TV

[south palm]

Oh grieves is on now

[proud ore]

thanks!
so currently I got 1 x legendary WTD, 1 x purple BB and 1x purple Wild Fire
along with rest of blue skill books from the game gave for free
At this point, I should switch the existing Blue Superior Dual Dragon >>> blue superior WTD right? or is it better to have blue superior BlazingBeam?

[south palm]

Bb?? Blue bubble??

End game is purple lmb, rmb, wildfire.
Leggy wtd leggy main skill number 2 skill.

[proud ore]

BlazingBeam

[south palm]

I have only ever played ice. I think k beam needs more fire skills

[proud ore]

ahh okok haha

[south palm]

@median sonnet will know better

You need to keep up stacks or something

Ice fm just blows up stacks

Ideally though you want 48 gm on bm and wtd

Beam*

[proud ore]

im essentially trying to understand - if i already have a legendary and purple skillbook, is it worth to have lower tier (blue or green) skillbooks with same skill
for instance, should i fill up my currently empty accessories skill slot with green/blue WTD and or Blazing Beam?

[median sonnet]

if u have 1 legendary wtd, 1 purple bb and 1 purple wildfire

then ur good to go with the blazing beam wtd build yea

its pretty simple to execute, your filler rotation will be blazing beam + frost palm + blazing palm spam

u can use a macro for this if you want, but you will lose a bit of dmg (1-2% at most)

then, whenever burn is not up on target, use wildfire

whenever wicked twin dragons is up, use it (make sure target has burn)

[proud ore]

oohh

(taking notes)

[median sonnet]

whenever dragonfrost and dragonblaze is up, use them as long as WTD is on cooldown, and the cooldown is more than 3s

(the purpose of dragonfrost and dragonblaze is to reduce wtd cooldown, they do 0 damage basically)

and thats about it

[proud ore]

thank youuu

[median sonnet]

you priority is to get more purple/leggy wtd books

to get 48 gm stacks on wtd

[proud ore]

what is gm?

[median sonnet]

then 48 gm stacks on blazing beam

[proud ore]

gems?

[median sonnet]

basically, u can slot in more than 1 book for the same skill

and for each extra book u get gm stacks on that skill

makes it do more damage, and unlocks some special effects at 18, 30 and 48 gm stacks

[south palm]

Gm= grandmaster

[median sonnet]

o yea, that

[south palm]

Stacking books

[proud ore]

ohhh

ahhh I see Grandmaster in the skill description okok haha

[median sonnet]

all u rly need is purp wildfire, purp blazing palm, blue/purp frost palm, leggy wtd and purple blazing beam

then u can use the rest of ur book slots for duplicates

for wtd and beam

u can also put in some utility skills like stun or ice sheet if ur feelin frisky

[south palm]

Ngl I Linda wished I switched to warlock feels like fm got nerf lol but everyone else caught up

But I like the game play of fm, the mobility and stuff

[median sonnet]

on one hand i do see other classes do busted dmg

but

eh

[south palm]

It's nice not tanking I guess

[median sonnet]

true

[south palm]

Saving on hammers lol

[median sonnet]

for most of my time playing fm

we were one of the weaker classes

only with wtd we were op for a while

so it feels weird to switch now

[proud ore]

in the meanwhile i spend multiple hammers every day cuz i die all the time T^T

[south palm]

Yep gated by crit rate, still gated

You will get used to rotations of dungeons it's muscle memory

I was a shaow warlock on live when it was released

But to switch when I had 11 leggy skills was too much to put in so I just switch 2 force blast and a beam instead

But I regret now gold is down in price I should have waited it out

I'm now stacking gold tickets and gems for gunner that was my 2nd main on live. Mobile/ high dmg fun to play

[median sonnet]

well

the gold price isnt that bad for me tbh

but i like fm too much ig

[proud ore]

where and how can I farm gold? besides doing dailies....is there even a way to farm gold?

[median sonnet]

ancient lunar meadow

is the best source of gold

[proud ore]

ohhh where is that located? can't find it on the map..

[median sonnet]

if u press f8 u can tp to it

[proud ore]

ohhhhhh wow

thanksss haha never thought of pressing that button XD

(started the game this week)

[lusty remnant]

wtb trash leg skills pm me

[cosmic flame]

fm weak

[shell cave]

only with wtd fm will be enough

[cosmic flame]

We can't even use cc's or anything so it's weird they don't make us the strongest class.... hope fm gets buffs soon

[stark storm]

just make WTD instant cast, add it to soul badge and make downcrest mystic badge to reduce WTD CD by 12 sec per fire/ice F

problem solved

dont even need more dmg

[balmy moat]

yeah cast is horrible slows you down by a lot

[stark storm]

or lower the cast time to .5-.7 sec

[balmy moat]

you know what dont do that i want to get top 10

if that happens everyone will reroll to fm and you would need to swipe more xD

[boreal yew]

WTS ICE RAIN NA - CPM 🌨️ SOLD OUT

[proud ore]

For some reason, one of the FM i got has Fiend Fire (X) skill that reduces Meteor (V) strike's cool down by 20 seconds, but on the other FM, it does not... does anyone know why???

[summer reef]

Mytic badge

[proud ore]

ohhhh thank uuuu

[lone plover]

Someone wana chat about fm beam with twin dragon... I am trying to find the best macro and best opening

[median sonnet]

hi, i gave a quick rundown here, it might be helpful

[mellow harbor]

looking for a duo dragon FM for raid, please dm me if interested to talk more. NA

[jagged hull]

We love dual dragons

Wrong region though

[bronze scroll]

whats should i get here 48 points in dd ? any other purples i need ? or just stack dragonchar

got 7 purples still to choose

[shell flax]

purple frost and blazing palm no?

[bronze scroll]

i dont know how to build this 😄 blasing palm is nice for focus atleast but frost dunno

[jagged hull]

You have just one legendary book?

[bronze scroll]

ye 1 dragonchar leggy

i got 7 skillbooks to choose from the battlepass purple ones now left

[jagged hull]

Youve got two options basically

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Stacking Dual Dragons only makes sense with the legendary book

Assuming you would be picking Dual Dragons over Wicked Twin Dragons

[bronze scroll]

i have no clue whats better with dragonchar build

the first with wildfire purple seems like less buttons to press

[jagged hull]

So eventually Fiend Fire and Blazing Wall arent worth their opportunity cost

so it wouldnt be unreasonable to not waste books on them

[bronze scroll]

so i should just skip those

what about wildfire

[jagged hull]

You need to be applying Burn

[bronze scroll]

gotcha so thats prio

[jagged hull]

Technically Impact is better (has a lower gcd), but its somewhat error prone

[bronze scroll]

i guess for now i go with the first link u gave me and if i get second legendary maybe wicked or dual dragons

[jagged hull]

Note that the green book version of Impact is almost as good as the purple book version (range 10m changed to 16m)

[jagged hull]

Yeah youll just have to decide that for yourself eventually

or maybe rng decides by dropping one or the other

[bronze scroll]

tru

[jagged hull]

This is not a core book, but one I personally like to add for stuff like lunar meadow

[bronze scroll]

wildfire is 9sec cd and 10 sec burn seems easy to apply

oh thats nice

[jagged hull]

You would be alternating between Balefire and Wildfire for Burn

[bronze scroll]

is it more hp if purple ?

[jagged hull]

Since you need balefire for the focus recovery

[bronze scroll]

ye thats what i was thinking

[jagged hull]

(legendary dual dragons removes the need for balefire)

Blue book balefire would be fine btw

The difference is just 1 focus every cast / 18 seconds

[bronze scroll]

aight ty for tips now i know what i will do then with the books

ill probably add the tornado too seems nice for hp recovery

[jagged hull]

You could alternatively setup a second accessory with it (and divine veil) for lunar meadow.

But its a pretty nice qol skill in your main setup tbh

[proud ore]

Hello Salacia,
Hope you are doing well!
Thank you for the tips for the 2 purple skillbooks (I got 1 legendary Twin Dragon as you recommended as well) as you recommended above!
I have almost completed battlepass and will be soon getting the 10 purple skillbooks (hopefully by the end of this week) and wonder if you can also recommend me the list of skillbooks for those as well please? (I tried to look up the suggestions you made earlier today but I believe that is for the DragonChar FM user whereas I am using Blazing Beam FM)

Currently, I got:
1x legendary Twin Dragon
1x purple heroic blazing beam
1x purple heroic wild fire

Thank you again and sincerely appreciate for your time 😄

[jagged hull]

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I think that should be the baseline

If you're short on purple books (looks like you would be)

• Frost Palm use blue instead of purple.
• Replace one purple Blazing Beam or Wicked Twin Dragon with three blue Blazing Beam or Wicked Twin Dragon (that would use the remaining two slots too.)

(I think if you had the purples taking Fiend Fire and Meteor Shower for the 17th or 18th slot would be fine.)

[proud ore]

wooooowww thank u so much for the quick response with details 😄

https://tenor.com/view/thursday-good-morning-thursday-gif-3786106749523426286

[warped tiger]

which biggener books should i pick ?

[jagged hull]

Depends on what you want to be playing

Any preferences?

Will this be a main or an alt?

[warped tiger]

main

want just the easiest thing to lvl and progress with tbh

[jagged hull]

Without legendary books you would pick dragonchar ideally

With you have the option to go Wicked Twin Dragons and any of the three spec

[warped tiger]

i got one legend book

[jagged hull]

(or Dual Dragons and Dragonchar, but thats a multi legendary book build.)

[warped tiger]

also what way should i pick

flame frost or heat wave

[jagged hull]

I dont know which specifics books these are

but one is for blazing beam, one for dragonchar and one for ice rain

[proud ore]

flame = blazing beam!

heatwave= dragonchar

btw you are in good hands with Salacia!! Best person to ask about FM specs 😄

[proud ore]

this was the video Salacia recommended when I asked exact same question haha strongly recommend to watch! 😄

@warped tiger but after watching the video, if you find the 'path' you'd like to take, please mention it here and they will inform you with the most updated info & skills

[warped tiger]

thanks everyone and salacia

[tropic jetty]

Any ice fm can help. Friend wanna swap from bd to Fm. He need to change books. 1 leg and 4 epic. What best books he need to get with himself ?
Leg - Ice rain.
Purple - Snowball,Coldsnap,LMB,RMB ? or Dual Dragon ?

[potent oak]

WTB Leg Trash Book PM (Annelis) NA Server

[jagged hull]

Ice Rain is not a good standalone build, you would wanna be playing that with Wicked Twin Dragon (legendary book)

(Coldsnap and Massive Snowball wouldnt be necessary with legendary Ice Rain, but legendary Wicked Twin Dragon is the majority of your damage and the priority.)

[tropic jetty]

Oh,that's good info. So what skills he shoud focus at ?
Leg - Ice rain/WTD
Purle - Lmb,RMB,and something more ?

[jagged hull]

You're asking with just one legendary book right?

[tropic jetty]

Yeah,but there is possibility for 2nd one on anniversary stream

but overall 1 leggy 10 purple

[jagged hull]

https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="TraitView"&p="NEOEU210126"&class="ForceMaster"&spec=0&neoSkills="H4sIAANjl2kAA2vaEpyak5pckpoSnJ2Zk5OUn5_tmVI8vXGRZ8pZxlUQ6haYYuKF8N6AKZY2CO8HhNqyEazdN7G4JLWoMrgksSS1cRuKENiWzPy84sZlhsamBiaGLUvdi1JT8xiWOOWUpjIsCygtKshJZVvinp-TwgAAkVRwSZYAAAA"

Additional books can then be placed on Ice Rain

Note that youre gonna need the Wicked Twin Dragon soul badge and Wicked Twin Dragon mystic badge.

[tropic jetty]

Gotcha,so we focusing on WTD ,and boosting ice rain with purple skills

then when friend will get leg ice rain

all this pruples can be dropped,and badges shoud be swapped

[jagged hull]

So that involves no badge swapping

But cold snap and massive snowball can be dropped with legendary ice rain.

[tropic jetty]

gotcha

thnaks alot

[weak sleet]

can anyone tell me whats the best macro to go with ice rain (legy) wtd (legy) and 4ms ping? i feel like 2rt on like 30-40ms delay is not what i should be using

[cosmic flame]

fm weak

[stark storm]

All depends if his priorities and gameplay but 1 wtd with the badges even as a standalone skill will be enough to farm msp 70 mobs. Ice rain is left to rot so I wouldn't recommend it. BB has massive amplifier and crit rate buff.
In the end of the day is priorities . DC+DD( min 18 stacks) is really good for msp and dungeons but you'll lack on wb.
Then again, without 2.2k ap and min 8-9 leggy books you'll not get in top10 wb even with BB/wtd combo.
If farm is the main goal, then DC DD would be more efficient and mobile than wtd. Yes wtd one shots mobs but the cast is painful

[tawny siren]

DC+DD( min 18 stacks) is really good for msp and dungeons but you'll lack on wb.

what are you basing this statement on?

[stark storm]

Because I've seen it

It's not bad at all, DD Dc is more dynamic then gathering and casting wtd, but I guess this could be subjective to personal taste

[stark storm]

And if you meant for wb, why do you think like for like people fair worse there than wtd. Share your thoughts. I haven't really seen any DD fms in wb but hey ho. I mean there is some from time to time but I wouldn't call that equal spec

[median sonnet]

dd dcahar requires better counts, and is suffering more from higher ping, plus its less popular

is prolly why you see it less on wb

but with optimal play its stronger than wtd on most content till you get to very high gear levels

then its about even

[tawny siren]

i'm playing that spec and i'm usually in top 3, so i'm surprised to hear you haven't seen any dd fms on wb

and my thoughts on it are reflected in what alex said about it

[jagged hull]

Pretty tricky to get high enough counts

Being able to spam 5 stacks of bleed is somewhat of a rare ability I guess

[stark storm]

@tawny siren like for like DD performs worse than wtd in wb. You might be even top if you out geared everyone else, but that wasn't my point. However, personally I'm not fan of that wtd.

[tawny siren]

if you look at my books you'll notice i'm not outgearing everyone else, that's the whole point

[rugged crypt]

just shush asa

youre unequal

[proud ore]

just trying to understand the convo above....what is wb? only thing i can think of is welcome back but that doesn't fit.... >.<

[jagged hull]

World Boss

A boss with damage ranking

[proud ore]

ohh

thank uuu

[jagged hull]

Just happened 19 minutes ago on EU

[proud ore]

ahhh im still working haha

is it the one in Lunar area? the big turtle?

[stark storm]

@proud ore there is a world boss for every area. A random one ( or perhaps there is a pattern) will be announced 10 min before spawn. There is a slim chance the said wb to be replaced by a unique wb called thunder strike.

In viridian is a turtle, in cinderlands is a dragon, in mw is a weird creature, I'm SF is a bird thing and In downcrest is a pink mammoth

[proud ore]

thanks a lot for the info! 😄

[cosmic flame]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792422868138590219/890659859043844217/FM-weak.gif

[rough crow]

If its on me I would pick legendary ice rain over wtd
Enjoy the combat is more important than doing damage

[atomic axle]

Question , does force master as a kd on his base toolkit ?

[jagged hull]

Not in your base kit

And the KD book conflicts with WTD wanting to run Wildfire on the same slot

[atomic axle]

Thanks @jagged hull I am pretty much using only blazing Palm frost palm , ice rain and WTD all the time , but not other skills at all except divine veil and defrost when required . Not sure I am missing the usage of any other important skills

No hmb as well I could see

[jagged hull]

That would be Wildfire youre missing

Gonna assume legendary ice rain

If not youre missing another 3

[atomic axle]

What is wildfire good at ? Should I keep it as basic skill ?

[jagged hull]

It is not a basic skill

[atomic axle]

I have only WTS legendary and ice rain heroic , both 48

[jagged hull]

Its a purple skill book variation of fire stance Z

[atomic axle]

I see so I should I have this one for which purpose ?

[jagged hull]

Notice the

[...] on a Burning opponent
On hitting a burnt enemy, [...]

[atomic axle]

Okay so it will increase WTD damage with wildfire

Thks a lot !

[jagged hull]

Without burn

You would only be doing a bit more than half of the damage of the skill

of what it should be doing

[atomic axle]

I see so many WTD rain FM build without it though it is weird

Thanks for the tips 🙏

[jagged hull]

👍

[molten vigil]

anyone has wtd leggy for sale ?

had 5 tries for 500 gold and they were all crap

[rough crow]

I see it on the market lately for 20k

[molten vigil]

yes it was

and i regreat i didnt buy it

but it was late at night

and noone to buy diamonds from

i would buy one ,i have 23 k now ,so if anyone has got one for sale ,im prepered to spend my 23 k 🙂

i cant get more diamonds i wasted 30 k on random leggys and it gave me crap 5 times

unbelieveble my lack of luck is

trying to get better but its going do hard

[south palm]

Ye as they say only 1 winner when it comes to gambling..... the house

[jagged hull]

Thats why you class change your books and forget

[polar cosmos]

wts eu

[tired geyser]

hello with legy wtd i should go with mystic and soul badge to reduce wtd too ?

[rough crow]

Yes

[tired geyser]

Any idea on how getting the virtuous tokens to upgrade it to sacred ?

[rough crow]

Im ice rain player all my books are purple
i got 1 legendary random book it was bb
So I’m forced to swap build bb is good but i like the aoe more
Anyway what books i have to use now
I can buy the purples for it

[jagged hull]

https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="TraitView"&p="NEOEU250226"&class="ForceMaster"&spec=0&neoSkills="H4sIAGVeoGkAA2vaEpyak5pckpoSnJ2Zk5OUn5_tmVI8pXGRZ8pZxrUQ6gaE2gqh3mwEq_RNLC5JLaoMLkksSW3chiIENjAzP6-4AQCNAEKLXgAAAA"

Its up to you if you wanna add Blazing Wall (fire v) and Fiend Fire (fire x)

I havent seen any numbers for beam (without wicked twin dragons) to determine if its better or worse than just stacking more beam (having wall mystic badge and sacred soul badge helps)

If you have dual dragons mystic badge you can consider adding one purple copy of dual dragons for bleed

Rest of the slots you can fill with Blazing Beam stacks

[jagged hull]

^

If youre actively farming Lunar Meadow you may prefer not switching to Beam however

[rough crow]

Thanks alot 💚

[rugged stag]

aside from getting to 48gm minimum for bb, if you play it with dual dragons the most common other books are meteor shower and fiend fire, along with wildfire for constant burn and balefire for qol since you can easily run out of focus. infernal blow is also preferred since 30gm bb does blazing palm's job. for badges you want bb soul and inferno mystic, which will help u spam meteor shower better since it's one of your only 2 aoe abilities u.u

from personal experience, i wouldnt say places like msp and bog are necessarily harder as single target, but you definitely have to change your playstyle when farming

[polar cosmos]

WTB leg ice rain and wtd EU pmo

[stark storm]

It's sad how Korea decided to kill ice rain build

85% ice rain DMG from soul badge, compared to 410% to BB and also 7 odd ap mod on DC/ nearly 15 on BB whilst ice is just 4.85 s

[floral zodiac]

BB does not need balefire, no focus issues unless you are missing alot

[manic mauve]

WTS Leggy dual dragon EU 17k

[stark storm]

Ultimately when you get your grubby hands on celestial ( all luck depending) you'll want DC/DD
I pulled two leggy selectors from the jackpot boxes with lower chance than the celestial. All you need is luck...and a big wallet to be able to afford the 80 frags and 5k gold xD

[shrewd wyvern]

hi guys, i came back to the game recently and went back to my fm, i used to play ice fm, but i am reading that ice rain alone is not viable anymore, could someone please point me in a direction of what skills i need to still kinda play ice fm, with wtd i guess?

[jagged hull]

The build needs legendary wicked twin dragon to be viable

Dont even think about running the purple version, its not viable

[jagged hull]

You can use this as baseline (read the next comments too)

[shrewd wyvern]

oh no, are there some other builds that are playable with just purple books?

[jagged hull]

I would say only Dragonchar

Blazing Beam can be played with Legendary Wicked Twin Dragons, but lacks aoe making farming xp a lot slower

Did you grab the anniversary livestream coupon code yet?

[jagged hull]

Its not about being harder or easier, single target builds are simply far less efficient

[shrewd wyvern]

yes, but unfortunately wasted it on my wl do you by any chance have yast link for dragonchar build?

i only ever played ice, here and in live so i am little clueless

[jagged hull]

You can go with the first link

The legendary book only adds more damage, doesnt affect any thing build wise

Mystic badge would be dual dragons

@shrewd wyvern

[shrewd wyvern]

thank you so much :)

[jagged hull]

If youre looking for a cheaper option

Balefire and Frost Palm are fine in blue book

Dual dragons can be blue too (purple is great but not necessary, but I would get it before balefire/frost palm purple.)

[rough crow]

Any idea :/

[rugged crypt]

every 2nd ice rain costs 1 focus

well for blue tier it's 2 focus then

[surreal crypt]

WTS

[atomic axle]

Hi @jagged hull , for the badges as WTD & Ice Rain Build . I have one badge that reduce WTD cooldown that for sure I need . However, for the other one , o have one Ice rain and other one that increase a lot damage for WTD . Which one should I keep ?

[jagged hull]

I would expect that you stay with WTD (you can set it up as combat exp badge) until you can upgrade to a high tier (stats) Sacred or Dawncrest Soul badge.

Never got to play the build myself though so dont know exactly how often WTD and Ice Rain are usually cast.

[atomic axle]

Thanks ! Ice rain is between WTD cooldown

The thing is I am ready to upgrade it to sacred

But not sure which one

[jagged hull]

There is no which one

There's only one Sacred Soul badge

[atomic axle]

Ahhhhh

[jagged hull]

So you keep one soul badge for combat exp

[atomic axle]

I understand

Thanks @jagged hull

[jagged hull]

In case you're not aware btw

There's no boost to WTD on the sacred soul badge.

[atomic axle]

Hmmm so it will be ice rain only

[jagged hull]

And meteor/wall

[atomic axle]

Got it

[jagged hull]

But those arent exactly good...

[atomic axle]

Thanks !

[shrewd wyvern]

whats the difference between sacred and dawncrest badge? on yast they seem to be the same?

[floral zodiac]

same skill effects, dawn has more ap and stats (the 3 lines)

[south palm]

Minimal stat boosts ye probably last thing I upgrade

[shrewd wyvern]

aah ok, thanks!!! ❤️

[polar cosmos]

Big AP buff

82 extra ap at +0 and +240ish at +10

[south palm]

Oh forgot ap lol

Was thinking virtuous to sacred

[jagged hull]

Soon sacred will also gain ap

[polar cosmos]

barely any

[jagged hull]

I guess that depends on stage

Dont know how much it would gain per stage

[cosmic flame]

buff fm

[raw bloom]

Hey guys! I'm completely new to BNS Neo. Is there a build or guide that I can follow for Force Master?

[jagged hull]

Picked a build yet?

[jagged hull]

#📯︱bns-news message

I would recommend you claim your legendary book before deciding

(theres more coupon codes here https://discord.com/channels/1164688788086345830/1414009746670882908)

[raw bloom]

I see, I did one coupon for a legendary skill

Got this one

Anything here I should go for? @jagged hull

[jagged hull]

Thats a good one

Which blue books did you get from the story?

I dont remember but that could influence your decision

[raw bloom]

I guess these ones?

I just started this account fresh at 50

[jagged hull]

Yeah you want the one with dragonchar

I dont remember what it contains exactly

[raw bloom]

From Blue? or Purple

[jagged hull]

The blue box

its like 6 books

[raw bloom]

Got it, appreciate it!

How about the purple one?

Dragonchar here aswell?

[jagged hull]

Can you post the contents of the blue box?

[raw bloom]

Sure, will be a few screenshots fyi

[jagged hull]

If you opened it already

It should say in chat which books it contained

I think

[raw bloom]

Smart

[jagged hull]

Some odd choices there

from ncsoft

[raw bloom]

I guess, ur the expert

[jagged hull]

so what you can do is pick (lmb)

or another copy of dragonchar (youll want multiple to boost skill damage)

[raw bloom]

I see, which should I go for you reckon?

Dragonchar perhaps?

[jagged hull]

Its a bit awkward in the short term

[raw bloom]

for Focus Points I guess?

[jagged hull]

But I think grabbing dragonchar now and trying to pick up a blue tier blazing palm for 50 gems is the safest option

Yes infernal blow generates less focus than blazing palm (its meant for blazing beam, which requires less focus than dragonchar).

(actually at this point, purple book prices are low enough that spending 50 on a blue one when you could spend say 200 on a purple one doesnt really make sense. Finding someone selling the book can be tricky at times though.)

Youve still got stuff like balefire, dual dragons and dragonfrost generating focus though. So it'll work, but itll just be less smooth.

[raw bloom]

I see, well imma think about it

I lean towards dragonchar

[jagged hull]

Level 50 and lv58 reward one random purple book btw

[raw bloom]

Fk it imma go for Blazing Palm

Uh I got a Blinding Blaze from lv 50 book

[jagged hull]

Thats not a good one

I would still keep it in storage instead of salvaging though.

[raw bloom]

Gotcha, any simple rotation I can go for?

I know blade dancer what like press Z, C and V, then spam F after an auto attack

[jagged hull]

Do you know what Burn is?

[raw bloom]

Ye the 5x stack? when I burn em?

[jagged hull]

Those are embers actually

[raw bloom]

I see

DoT damage?

[jagged hull]

You'll want to grab this green book for 20 valor stones in mushins tower

The merchant is close to the windstride point

[raw bloom]

Ok will do it right nw

[jagged hull]

Burn is whats enables your dragonchar to do more damage

You basically wanna be spamming 2 and lmb rmb

And then alternating between using Balefire (C) and Impact to keep Burn active

Press C and you should the Burn icon appear on your target

You'll also be using Dual Dragons (F) for extra focus when youre low

And you can use it to apply 5 Ember stacks (which Impact needs to trigger Burn.)

Just fyi

Your lmb can also remove the ember stacks for a burst of damage

So theres some awkwardness with that and Impact

[raw bloom]

Gotcha, getting my ass beaten my a normal npc lol

alr, will keep that in mind

[raw bloom]

@jagged hull another Q, I guess dragonchar and left click in Skills book gets maxed out?

Anything else?

[jagged hull]

Dragonchar, lmb, rmb, dual dragons are the main onces

If youre running fiend fire or meteor shower/blazing wall those. (They get dropped late game, but if you have them and the slots would otherwise be empty...)

[raw bloom]

Gtocha ty!

[jagged hull]

Dragonblaze and Dragonfrost

You have more than enough points for the skills that actually matter

[raw bloom]

Main ones are fully maxed now

[jagged hull]

Youll want the dragonchar soul badge and dual dragons mystic badge when you can claim them from the story btw

[raw bloom]

Alrighty, is it from the Dawncrest story?

[jagged hull]

Yes

Towards the end

[raw bloom]

Got it, should be done with it soon

[glossy epoch]

Heya everyone my two random leg books happened to be wicked twin dragon and ice rain, so i decided to use that build (even tho some ppl said its not meta anymore i dunno), well yea idk the rotation tho >.< could someone eventually help me out by telling me what the roations is, very appreciated thankies

[median sonnet]

the main thing is gonna be casting wtd, and reducing wtd cooldown with dragonfrost/blaze

you wana, apply burn with wildfire on boss if it doesn't have it, then cast wtd

then, the rule of thumb is, you use dragonfrost/dragonblaze when wtd has more than 4s left of cd

then, other than these skills, your filler is blazing palm, frost palm and ice rain

you can just use a macro for these 3

you just spam 2rt

and use wildfire/wtd/dragonfrost/dragonblaze like i described above

[glossy epoch]

oki tyvm :3

[median sonnet]

idk if that made sense xddd

u can ask if any parts are confusing

[maiden cloud]

any 1 can recommend a build for fm please?

[stark storm]

The macro for Ice rain was xmouse 2 RT 2 or something along that line. My kid had it from kureem a long time ago

Was good once upon a time

But ice is dead now

Thanks to Korea

[glossy epoch]

uhmm so

idk how to set up macro other part is i think understandable LOL

[median sonnet]

hmm

[glossy epoch]

[median sonnet]

are you using a Logitech mouse?

[glossy epoch]

xmouse

[median sonnet]

well

then

a r t 2 macro with no delay should be good enough

most of ur dmg will come from wtd anyways

i thought u were a newbie that knew nothing about the game

well

idk what the ice macro is

an actual good ice fm can chime in if its different

u were asking what "decreases focus cost on consecutive use" means a week ago, so forgive me for being skeptical

exactly xd

i see

[median sonnet]

listen, my level of trust in you is very low xddd

but I'm not an ice rain player so I can't argue

if u say 22r gives better dmg then sure

[glossy epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-neurosama-neuro-sama-neuro-sama-blink-at-this-user-gif-996509114750643958

[median sonnet]

just do 22r

[glossy epoch]

yea need to look how to swet up macros x)

[median sonnet]

oh

xd

also

are you THAT mina

[glossy epoch]

LMFAO

SHUT UOP

[median sonnet]

jesus christ

[glossy epoch]

HAHAHAHAHAH

I AM

hi

[median sonnet]

XDDDDDD

[glossy epoch]

^w^

[median sonnet]

yeye

[glossy epoch]

only good memories

[median sonnet]

^w^

sure

this is some

false advertising

[glossy epoch]

only good talks in vc ❤️

[median sonnet]

[glossy epoch]

[rugged crypt]

2rt

[median sonnet]

....

see i knew it

[rugged crypt]

who tf u listening to

[median sonnet]

....

i should have trusted myself from the beginin

even tho i just said that randomly

and i trust you more than elizabeth r....

[rugged crypt]

tbh I hoped so much that I could drop rmb

with leg ice rain

but it's just impossible bc of focus issues

so it performs way worse

[median sonnet]

oooo

i was about to say whats wrong with poor rmb

[glossy epoch]

[rugged crypt]

or were there no focus issues

I don't remember

[median sonnet]

[rugged crypt]

ya well

2rt

done

[median sonnet]

👍

there u go mina

final answer

[glossy epoch]

what do i do w that answer is the more important question

https://imgur.com/a/HegM7dM

ill find a way

[median sonnet]

i would tell you, but sadly this server wont allow me to send the message

isnt xmouse pretty straight forward tho? i remember using it for like 10 min

[glossy epoch]

mmmm

[polar cosmos]

2rt

[glossy epoch]

22rt

[cosmic flame]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792422868138590219/890659859043844217/FM-weak.gif

[median sonnet]

22r2tf2frs

[stark storm]

{HOLDMS:4}2{HOLDMS:2}2RT{HOLDMS:2}2

adjust the holds to your ping

Xmouse ice macro

Btw

[weak sleet]

how low is ur ping for comparison?

[stark storm]

30

[weak sleet]

should i even adjust when i m @4ms

[stark storm]

@weak sleet just do a test on dummy. See how it performs and adjust accordingly

It's all about personal preferences

[glossy epoch]

[molten vigil]

what delay should i set in my macro in my ping is 25?

if*

and what is the best macro for ice fm with wtd?

because 22r is no good for wtd i tried and wtd dont come often enough due to lack of both F skills activating

[median sonnet]

huh, ur ice rain+palm macro should not affect ur wtd counts

sure if the boss is high lvl and ur crit rate is low, with slower blazing palm/ice rain u will generate orbs slower, but it shouldn't make THAT big a difference

[molten vigil]

ty alex

[cursive turret]

Is it a bad idea to start as ice rain fm on an alt? Does it require significantly more investment to compete with beam build? I basically only have the books from story at the moment

(For purple frost palm from lvl 50 achievement)

[jagged hull]

Define compete

Also what would your goal be with that alt

Ice rain by itself would be notably weaker (its a support skill for wicked twin dragons basically)

[cursive turret]

i guess if im making an alt, would it just be better to just go beams, im not looking to get 48GM or anything, just a few purple books type of investment, i just want to be able to get a build "online" so i dont run out of focus every 20 seconds, where i can keep up a rotation

[jagged hull]

Both builds should work fine with fairly low investment (note that ice rain can use blue book coldsnap and massive snowball)

You might wanna consider dragonchar though, while the build does run into some focus issues you have the benefit of aoe damage if you ever wanna utilize your fm for lunar meadow

[cursive turret]

thank you that answers my question perfectly. is that video (the video explaining all 3 builds) still relevant for dragonchar? as far as badge choices and skill books

[jagged hull]

Not sure what it recommends, but I would assume not 😅

[jagged hull]

Before I give any recommendations, would I be right to assume you would have access to these 6 blue books?

[jagged hull]

Gonna assume the answer is yes

The most basic build (with these blue books).

Next you would

Upgrade to purple
Dragonchar, Blazing Palm

Eventually upgrade to purple
Frost Palm, Dual Dragons

Keep, but upgrading to purple is basically irrelevant
Balefire, Impact

Can be replaced for additional dragonchar stacks
Fiend Fire

Optional (has to be purple book)
Wildfire (replaces Impact, also remove Fiend Fire if you use this.)

[cursive turret]

is it speed increase or additional damage for dragon char? i see people using additional damage, but your link says speed increase

[tawny siren]

purple "dragonchar: additional damage" is much faster than the blue version, even if the latter is called "speed increase"

[cursive turret]

ohh ok got it

[cursive turret]

picked frost blue books from boost, but it's kind of weak and i am constantly out of focus, i want to swap to dragonchar...if i do this, what essential skill am i missing?
not sure if it would even solve my focus problem, but at least dragonchar would do more dmg than ice rain i think?

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[jagged hull]

Blue book balefire (purple is unnecessary)

You should also not be using purple tier Wicked Twin Dragon

If you cant get legendary Wicked Twin Dragon you should be running Dual Dragons for focus

[cursive turret]

cant even find a blue dual dragons book, that's why i was like maybe ill go WTD, would adding WTD purple be okay for ice or is WTD only good in legendary in general?

[jagged hull]

Only good at legendary

[cursive turret]

i guess at this gear level the transition is just one or 2 books. what's the low level rotation like, im trying it, but i run out of focus fairly quick. do i just build focus with RT1, just RT? while weaving in the focus regens?

[jagged hull]

Whats the 1 intended for?

In the simplest way

The rotation is just to spam 2rt

And using balefire and impact (or wildfire) for burn

Using dual dragons and when needed dragonfrost for focus

[cursive turret]

so it's not really a dump focus with dragonchar type of thing

[jagged hull]

Kinda is kinda isnt

In practice youll end up casting more 2s than rt's

[cursive turret]

dragonblaze mystic badge and dragonchar soul badge?

[jagged hull]

yes

[floral zodiac]

Dragonchar only works at purple onwards iirc

If you’re new and budget the easiest build is blazing beam, focus friendly

[merry hearth]

yeah, also kinda requires 48gm because purple dchar costs 3 focus per cast (unless at max boost) and is annoying to manage without focus regen abilities/48gm which gives back focus every 2 hits

and then at leggy, dchar only costs 2 focus

[merry hearth]

bb is also technically thr strongest if you look at the ap multipliers on yast in current patch, but nobody's running bb except like 3 people on na. maybe cuz its not as pretty, its single target, or people too broke to switch lol

[floral zodiac]

Im biggest brain, BB all the way

[sudden flint]

Ive tested both leggy beam and dchar with same gms/gear along with 48 gm dual dragons and they are very close in ST damage/ beam was about 5% better, possibly more.

but dchar aoe is very nice, and clears beam in msp or big stacks of mobs in general obviously, no focus issue with DD

That being said im still char right now but i like the feel of beam more and may go back soon when i get more gms, and i still want to try beam/wtd eventually

Buff beam more

[floral zodiac]

i use bb with wtd so i can nuke mobs with that anyway

but i also dont rly farm msp on it, its my alt

the beam detonate does more than lmb one too. but my take is in a multi-fm situation u could probably benefit even more by just detonating more often with both active

unless everyone is same build then i guess it evens out lmao

[stark storm]

well BB also gives Crit rate. May not be much but its something

[proud ore]

"Wildfire (replaces Impact, also remove Fiend Fire if you use this.)"
does this mean I should lock the Fied Fire skill (X key) ? or just remove the Skillbook from the accessories? or both?
I currently have 1x Purple Wildfire skillbook and 1x Fiend Fire skill book

also will it cause less dmg if i keep both? just curious haha

[floral zodiac]

Just remove the skillbook for fiend fire. Not necessary to lock but you prob won’t use it as you gear up

And impact as well

Basically wildfire functions to keep burn uptime 100% without needing to use 1

It causes less damage in the sense that you could open the slot for another main skill book like BB/Char/Rain or DD/WTD

[stark storm]

One shares GCD with 2 from what I remember.

[proud ore]

thank you! if I can get another skillbook from the upcoming event (hopefully for free since im broke T^T) I will then remove the Fiend Fire as you said! 😄

as I gear up then I should keep those only? (Blazing Beam path)

purp Wildfire x 1
purp Infernal blow x 1
purp Frost palm x 1
purp Meteor x 1
purp Blazing Beam (as many as I can get)
purp Wicked Twin Dragon (as many as I can get)

is this right? please let me know if I missed any or I should remove any!

[floral zodiac]

Won’t need meteor unless it gets buffed somehow. Some people use blazing wall for the buff but it’s not that significant imo

BB build has no focus issues generally except if you miss a lot. But that’s likely an acc and level issue instead

WTD is priority but you should aim for GM48 on BB and WTD respectively as a start

Infernal blow or blazing palm works. Preference. Personally I use palm still because more detonates can’t be bad too

[proud ore]

thanks!!

[proud ore]

I see im just using internal blow because it was given from the story mode (btw most of the skills listed above I only have blue ones except WTD) haha

if i get a chance to lay my hand on the blazing palm ill defintely give it a shot thanksss!! 😄

[tawny siren]

if you're using blazing palm on bb you're losing out on a lot of potential ember detonation damage

ideally you want only bb to detonate your embers since the damage scales with gm stacks

at 3k ap, bb 120 gm and 300% cdmg for example, the ember portion of your blazing palm would be 34k, whereas your ember detonations from bb would crit for 95k

[floral zodiac]

Yea BB’s one is stronger. But idk, I didn’t really test the overall difference solo. But when there’s other fms then my dps will go up haha.

[merry hearth]

i made an fm guide. tried to cover everything i could think of without getting too detailed https://youtu.be/J4kmh12ycgA

[shell cave]

WTS LEGGY DCHAR EU

[cursive turret]

WTB legendary DCHAR NA

[plush skiff]

WTS Leggy Beam, EU

[nova tendon]

loving the video

btw how much dps does Meteor doing currently? comparing with no gm and 48gm tho

[jagged hull]

I dont think anyone has it with 48gm

Only seen one person with one copy

[nova tendon]

hmm

how much dps percent does it deal currently in total?

5%?

[jagged hull]

Havent seen their results

[nova tendon]

[steel marsh]

So...what build should I run as a newbie ? I saw the FM guide, but ice rain seems cool to look at, dragonchar and blazing beam seems to be more "meta" and more damage than ice rain from my understanding with the latest patches.

What should i do ? 🙁

[jagged hull]

Rolled your random legendary book yet?

[nova tendon]

Anyone pvping with FM?

[plush skiff]

still looking for a buyer

[merry hearth]

ur understanding is more or less correct LOL theres a couple ways u can go about choosing ur spec. 1. play whatever u receive, like leggy books or purple books, 2. plah whatever u like. i originally played ice rain on launch to mw bc i liked how it looked, but then i swapped to dchar bc thats what i received. 3. play whats meta. bb is technically the highest dmg dealing 2 skill (but its single target) and wtd is superior to dd. dchar is stronger than ice rain and is an aoe. ice rain also isnt great for certain content, mainly bog, and thags another reason why i swapped to dchar

[median sonnet]

guy is long gone

[nova tendon]

Need an FM yast pvp build

[jagged hull]

Heard the words random and left immediately

Gotta respect that

[stark storm]

Turd dragon users just need to know when and when not to use wtd. Everything else is whatever - be it bb, ice rain or whatever.

FM is kinda limited but it's ok I suppose

[stark storm]

Dear dear

[median sonnet]

[hardy pond]

quick question for friend:

Dual Dragon Legendary vs Purple Wicked Twin Dragon ?

[stark storm]

Wtd is only good in leggy version. Between the two DD> poople wtd

[median sonnet]

yea purple wtd not usable

[noble citrus]

Hi guys!! ☺️ im new worh FM, Can anyone recommend Ice Rain or Dragonchar? I think I'll use Dual Dragons.

[median sonnet]

if u use dual dragons dragonchar is way better

[noble citrus]

Thanks alex! 🤗

[jagged hull]

Its also better if you dont use dual dragons

[noble citrus]

I ask because I see many Force Masters with Ice Rain.

[sonic aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-trap-card-trap-triggered-gif-12909225702038116

[solar sand]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-why-are-you-gay-pepe-julian-who-is-gay-you-are-gay-gif-15004128

[sonic aspen]

[median sonnet]

wubble snitched

[inland kraken]

hi guys, which forcemaster build is the strongest now with investments?

[jagged hull]

Dragonchar/Blazing Beam + Wicked Twin Dragon and Dragonchar + Dual Dragons are on a similar level

Ice Rain + Wicked twin Dragon is marginally weaker

[rugged crypt]

go dchar dd

most useful build

[jagged hull]

Bleed does the same damage as I do on wolf

[rugged crypt]

the ability to move, have BLEED and options to put kd will carry your ass

[median sonnet]

yep, that is true, dchar dd has a lot of utility

brings bleed, burn to the table

[jagged hull]

ngl

[median sonnet]

and if u want to do damage

u pick dchar wtd

[rugged crypt]

u switch classes*

[median sonnet]

depends on what your goal is

[jagged hull]

This not self triggering makes me sad

[median sonnet]

its fine surely we are op after the buffs

[rugged crypt]

dchar dd is on par with wtd no?

[median sonnet]

[rugged crypt]

they buff dchar, aka dchar dd begins to do more dmg

as they got more counts in dchar

[median sonnet]

its even a bit ahead till endgame gear

[rugged crypt]

but wtd stays unbuffed

[jagged hull]

If these buffs are anything like the gm effects

[rugged crypt]

yea

[median sonnet]

but

at least wtd has

uhhh

[rugged crypt]

yea

what

[median sonnet]

....

[rugged crypt]

yea

[median sonnet]

[rugged crypt]

what does wtd have

[median sonnet]

AND

yea dchar dd is gonna be even stronger

cuz no wtd buffs

[jagged hull]

Let's see if the buffs are actually relevant first

[median sonnet]

fk this im switchin to kfm

[rugged crypt]

they are relevant in any way

[jagged hull]

I mean the half we've seen

Is literally not noticeable

[median sonnet]

re-write this message

[rugged crypt]

wat

why

[median sonnet]

cuz.. wdym

[rugged crypt]

cos

buffs......

[rugged crypt]

but as I said here

the buffs will be more noticeable for dchar dd

with higher counts

[median sonnet]

now im

[rugged crypt]

than for dchar wtd

[median sonnet]

rooting for the buffs to suck actually....

[rugged crypt]

XDDDDDDD

[median sonnet]

cuz then ill be forced to switch to dd

[rugged crypt]

in your place id switch tbh

wtd doesn't compensate the cancer to use it with damage anymore

[median sonnet]

but then the terrorists win.....

[rugged crypt]

now I'm just sad everytime I use it

[median sonnet]

xddddd

all that prep time, you load up this BIG STRONG attack

only for a little bit of squirt to come out....

[rugged crypt]

🥺

with grey lil tint on it...

[median sonnet]

xdd

well see

thankfully we have yast

in a few hours we should have the numbers

[little sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792422868138590219/890659859043844217/FM-weak.gif

[winged badger]

so char got a 5%~ DPS increase

[stark storm]

@winged badgerall 3 specs got buff, but i think in sheer % value Ice got the highest, however the buff was like wtf ? 4.75 ap to 5.60 , really ?

bb got like 0.50 or so more ap mode and 2.5% crit rate

[jagged hull]

Dragonchar

Base 6.1 > 6.4
Burn 1.5 > 1.6

GM-18: 1.8 > 2.1
GM-30: 3.3 > 3.7

Avg (with badge) 11.17 > 11.71 (+4.8%)

Blazing Beam

Base 8.9 > 9.2
Burn 5.95 > 6.15

GM-18: +1% Crit > +1.5% crit for 2 seconds up to 5 stacks

With badge 18.95 > 19.45 (+2.6%, + buff to GM-18)

Ice Rain

Base 4.75 > 5.6

GM-30: Triggers on crit > on hit
GM-48: 6 > 8 seconds 0.55 on hit after using DD/WTD

With badge 5.6 > 6.45 (+15.2%, + buffs to GM-30 and GM-48)

It was nice being optimistic for a bit

I'll take it... but its not enough.

[nova tendon]

wish it was more

[winged badger]

is beam even comparable to char rn?

every pure beamer i see still does mid dmg

[jagged hull]

Beam WTD should do more than Char WTD I would imagine

[winged badger]

not wtd

[jagged hull]

(I guess the Beam number should include Ember Explosion... but ehh.)

Oh pure beamer

I think thats skill issue

[lofty star]

ice rain 30gm is still 1% cdmg

it just procs on hit instead of on crit

[jagged hull]

Oh my bad

Our current version doesnt say on crit btw

[lofty star]

yep just noticed. The english translation is ahead of its time

[jagged hull]

oh never knew that

[steel marsh]

Since there's not really guides out there anymore, how do you block as FM asura's orb? with TAB skill ?

[jagged hull]

Tab or 1, but both require specific books (firestorm, green+ tier and imitation green+ tier)

Easier to ignore

[noble citrus]

Hi, is there a guide for FM? Ice and fire? I see a lot of FM players with different skills and playing it differently.

I know everyone's wearing the wicked one 😅

Yesterday I tried Ice Rain with Dual Dragons and Ice Rain with Wicked. With Dual Dragons I gained 3k DPS, I don't understand anything 🤦🏻‍♂️

[winged badger]

wicked has to be legendary at minimum

[noble citrus]

I only have blue and purple books

[jagged hull]

Before legendaries, dual dragons and wicked twin dragons are not that relevant