Force Master

[jagged hull]

Same as dragonchar no?

[wanton root]

Dragonchar doesnt care about embers really

only burn state

cuz we dont use C and V

[jagged hull]

Theres still proccing burn and fiend fire though

[wanton root]

too inconvenient to stop casting 300 ms dchar

[jagged hull]

Idk

Unfortunately for me

Theyre much better than blue stacks

It might not proc perfectly on cooldown, but itll proc often enough that its not an issue

[wanton root]

Because dchar is 300 ms, a single V cast has to do 3x the dmg of one Dchar

cuz v cast takes 1000 ms

to even be worth considering casting

[jagged hull]

Isnt it 400ms

[wanton root]

Theyre on the same gcd group sadly

Well yast might be wrong but yast says 300 ms atm

Last time i checked*

[jagged hull]

Infinite focus dummy with just spamming dragonchar gets 2,5 casts per second

[wanton root]

Ok yast is wrong then

[jagged hull]

Ive seen people claim otherwise

[wanton root]

That still is kinda valid tho

[jagged hull]

But I dont see how

I havent calculated if its actually better

[wanton root]

Blazing beam, its different tho, since it is 1000 ms as well

as long as u beat a single BB cast with v youre good

Now, Fiend fire on Dchar might be worth running if u have dual dragons leg to make it insta cast

But V. naaaaaaaaah

[jagged hull]

But you also get 5 ember explosions on blazing wall

So im pretty sure it is worth the opportunity cost

[wanton root]

On paper that sounds right

[median sonnet]

char gcd is 300ms, the animation is 400ms tho

[wanton root]

but u forfeit any embers u stack with dchar and lmb during those 5 seconds

so Bwall not that good

[median sonnet]

its why you can get 2.2 char/s and 1.2 palms/s

[jagged hull]

Just need to get silverfrost soul badge to make blazing wall go even harder

[wanton root]

Oh i have it

even with it

Neither Bwall or Meteor is even worth running

for dchar

for BB u have to run meteor tho

If they were on a diff GCD group than your 2

they would be good for sure with Dchar

but they arent

[jagged hull]

They kinda trolled neo with some gcd groups

[median sonnet]

wall is worth runnin, its like 34x ap or smth

plus the 10% crit dmg

[wanton root]

10% crit dmg for 10 seconds is nothing

[jagged hull]

Note that the duration refreshes itself

[wanton root]

Its additive with your crit dmg stat so doesnt do much

[median sonnet]

if you have a fuckton of gm points in char then maybe not, but for most ppl it will be better than 2 char or w/e (you dont rly get 2 char/s anyway)

its not nothing

by that logic 2 chars is nothing too xd

[wanton root]

Its the opposite . Gm dmg falls off the more gm u have

so it would be beter at high gm rather than low gm

[median sonnet]

no cuz the more gm points you haev

[rose wigeon]

legendary wtd?

[median sonnet]

the more ap per char

[jagged hull]

Directly adding a % is always pretty strong

[median sonnet]

like char is normally like 6x ap

[jagged hull]

Cdmg% isnt particularly high on neo anyway

[median sonnet]

but with a lot of hm points it goes up, with 70 gm its like 12x ap

or w/e

so 2 chars become better vs 1 wall

[wanton root]

I crit like 55-60% of the time on nexus atm. i have 224.51% crit dmg. so 10% brings me to 234.51 for 10 sec out of 30)

[median sonnet]

also its not 10 sec its 15

still the cdmg is the least impressive part of the skill

[wanton root]

Id reckon i gain more crit dmg from running sf badge instead of virtuous

[median sonnet]

but its something

[rose wigeon]

1 copy of legend wtd is enough to work?

[median sonnet]

[wanton root]

yeah but if u remove 6 gm at 70 to run wall

instead of like remove 6 gm at 30 gm to run wall

youll lose less dchar dmg from the first scenario

[median sonnet]

yea but you will lose less dmg overall

from casting the wall

so wall is even better

[rose wigeon]

how much stats needed to 1 shot the fire and ice bird in asura dg?

[median sonnet]

xd

[rose wigeon]

thers 1 vid in youutbe but, it doesnt show any sttas or gear

[median sonnet]

very specific question

way more stats then its worth spending, to kill that damm bird

[wanton root]

What

Regardles in both scenarios, wall will do the same dmg

so plz tell me how 30 gm scenario is better

than the 70 gm

[median sonnet]

cause you are not casting char

for 1 second

to cast wall

leme give a crazy example

lets say you have 1000 gm

[rose wigeon]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/b-sAbyJ229E?feature=share

[median sonnet]

and char does 1000x ap

wall would be terrible

cause that wall could be 1-2 chars that do a billion dmg

[jagged hull]

Feels bns live

[median sonnet]

but if char did 1 damage, and you could have a book that makes it do 1000% more, or wall that does 1 million damage, you want wall

[wanton root]

K i have to admit your right

i didnt account that at high gm Dchar is higher portion of your dmg

thus stopping to cast it for 1 sec is worse

[jagged hull]

I remember in live they would bug out if you killed too fast

Unrelated but that person rerolled to sum it seems

[median sonnet]

yea i saw the vid, its pretty crazy, idk what their gear was a month ago when they made the vid

but this is their gear rn xd

makes our good kameyame look f2p

[wanton root]

Mother of freaking whale

[median sonnet]

+10 legendary weapon jesus

[jagged hull]

Better than True Timestream

[wanton root]

Time to bring back Transcendent Timestream

[jagged hull]

Somehow that one has less stats than True

[wanton root]

Yeah its still in the game files

but i mean they didnt update it cuz they removed it from evolution lines

it would be buffed if they brought it back

like they did update the timestream weapons multiple times

[rose wigeon]

yo GM 156 lool

😂

[median sonnet]

i wonder why its 150 and 100 instead of 200 and 48

considering wtd is most of the dps

[wanton root]

Maybe the GM fallof is even worse

[jagged hull]

Maybe for killing msp mobs?

[median sonnet]

well he oneshots mobs with his wtd dont think he needs much else

[naive veldt]

NA WTS Purple Ice Rain

[upbeat flame]

What is wtd ?

[slender trellis]

cuz after 160 gm

you only get 3% skill increase per 10 gm

so really not worth it

[median sonnet]

oh theres another threshold

figures

[cerulean nacelle]

wicked twin dragon

[tepid plinth]

any1 got a good macro for ice rain fm?

[brittle junco]

What is your ms ?

Who know what the new sf mystic badge stat are
Is it only one like the soul badge ?

Or nvm i found it

[tepid plinth]

30

[shy bluff]

WTB Heroic Dragonchar x3 (EU)

[brittle junco]

@tepid plinth

For ice fm since i am the ice goat 🐐
The great Elizabeth ice queen
Im glad u did ask me not asking the other, because you know who is the real deal which is me sama XD, just kidding
This is how i play if u like it i will go in details

Note: i named this macro Elizacro relative to the innovator me

But for real im adc grandmaster in lol and immortal in valorant so basically god lvl rang player so if i was u i will take my advice 🙂

U dont see anyone with 100ms who shoots like this btw
Its all about my finger touch and my god lvl gaming range player sense 😭

[tepid plinth]

That does look fast u dont use macro?

[brittle junco]

That is 2 macro
The first 1 is the dps : 22rf (no t in t)

And the second one to get the boost back : t1xz (no r in it)

Second macro u start using it after the secand cycle
1st: soul then t then z and hold first macro till the cooldown of the z 23 then t x t z then hold the first macro again till the cooldown of the z 23 then hold your secand macro to get the boost and then the first macro > secand macro whenever 1 is not on cooldown follow by the first macro and so on
+
Use the soul only when the boost end to not lose any dmg like before or mid the secand macro

That is the Elizacro

And u have to lock in the skill of the both fire and ice f and the fire z and x

For me i locked all the fire skills looks more cleaner

[shy bluff]

WTB heroic Dragonchar x3 ( EU )

[tepid plinth]

damn a bit confusing will have to check it out

[odd radish]

anyone has a ice rain macro for 50ish ms?

[wanton root]

WTB NA
-LEG WTD

[wanton root]

AYO

You dont even need to pre-apply freeze

Skill does Base dmg, applies debuff then does extra dmg instances

[median sonnet]

yep

[rose wigeon]

is this 1 copy of legend WTD?

[median sonnet]

its def less than 48 gm stacks

since its missing the 4th hit

[wanton root]

18 gm

I was just testing out on a random mob that wasnt the dummy

to see about the freeze apply

I also didnt bother applying burn in that test

[jagged hull]

Seems pretty dumb

To have the skill complete its own requirement

[wanton root]

I wont complain tho

[jagged hull]

Imagine the gm effect also triggered burn

[wanton root]

Well with the wording im assuming it doesnt

cuz ennemy has to be already burnt

[jagged hull]

(It only extends right)

[wanton root]

Yeah afaik

but i dont have 30 gm yet

theres no WTD in NA atm

I had a free purple selector from bp i hadnt used yet but thats it

Im just barebones and WTD does in between 55 and 60% of my dmg depending on my crit chance rng

with proper badge and gm stacking that should be easily 90% holy

[jagged hull]

Gotta respect the people who played purple wicked twin dragon lol

They had a vision of greatness

[wanton root]

leg wtd is just... hmmm (checks notes)

10x as strong as purple

or smth like that

[jagged hull]

Yeah the difference is a little silly

[wanton root]

going from 30cd to 18 cd on top of badge effects is just. Giga crazy

and then u get 2x (2.5x at 48 gm) dmg + cast twice

[wanton root]

NA- I am once again asking for your purple wtd. Pm me price

[wraith tundra]

Its 25x not 2.5

[wanton root]

Sir, i was not talking about the ap scaling

It was Ap scaling relative to purple WTD

Purple wtd is roughly 40x Ap

Leg is 80x ap at base

so thats twice

then u add the 25x from gm

becomes roughly 2.5 times purple

[wraith tundra]

Not really

Its 105x2

[wanton root]

Sir

I said + cast twice at the end of my sentence

Im just comparing raw dmg of one cast

[wraith tundra]

Yeah i know

But still

Thats a misleading comparison

When u compare do it it for the whole potential

[wanton root]

Except I did?

[wraith tundra]

So its 210x ap x by 1.4

It’s roughly a little over 7 times more damage

294 ap to be exact

[wanton root]

Where u getting 1.4x

GM scaling?

[wraith tundra]

Thats how much value leggy wtd produces per 30 seconds compared to purple

[wraith tundra]

Thats the effect of cd going from 30 to 18

As i said do the whole math

[wanton root]

Sir

You do realise

That theres a Mystic badge effect

[wraith tundra]

Yes

[wanton root]

its way more than 1.4x when u factor it in

[wraith tundra]

Doesnt change the impact

No its not

The badge is static so its a constant

[wanton root]

.....

[wraith tundra]

Its has the same time reduced regardless

[wanton root]

Bro

Its the same time reduced

[wraith tundra]

So it has bigger value on burst

[wanton root]

But it allows u

to reset the CD

way more often

So its way more than 1.4x factoring in the badge

[wraith tundra]

Idk ehat are you trying to say here

[wanton root]

Its not a % of CD reduction

[wraith tundra]

But its simple math

[wanton root]

Its a flat amount

So it gets more efficient the lower base cd of your skill has

[wraith tundra]

Thats called constant

[wanton root]

Jesus christ im done, youre an idiot

[wraith tundra]

Lmao

Go learn math dont just argue blindly

[wanton root]

Shaving 50% of the CD of LEG every time I cast Dragon Ice or Dragon Fire vs Shaving 30% of the CD of Purple. Come on do the freaking maths

[wraith tundra]

Dragon frost and dragon blaze have 12 seconds cd if you use both you’ll have to wait for 12 seconds until you get to reduce the cd again and 18-12 is 6 seconds which means you miss 33% of the value on that cast so its not as simple as you think it is.

But then again this is on me i tried to argue with someone that says “maths”

[wanton root]

Nah actually you are right in most regards, I have to apologize

I read into cooldown weaving strategies

And heres what I gleaned

With WTD at 30sec CD. You are better of using Ice and Fire on CD Asap with badge effects

WHen WTD becomes 12 sec cd effectively

You use WTD, Ice or Fire, not both , Then wait 9 seconds
Cast WTD again

Then Cast the Ice or Fire you havent used, then wait another 9 seconds

Cast WTD again

and repeat (this way, you always have either fire or Ice when available)

You get 1 WTD cast every 9 seconds instead of 1 WTD cast every 12 seconds

so Factoring in badges

Leg wtd is cast 33.3% more often compared to purple WTD

That would make it 210xAP every 9 seconds
vs 40x AP every 12 seconds

(not factoring Virtuous WTD badge)

[wanton root]

If brought on a 12 seconds , its 279.3x AP vs 40x ap so roughly 7x better as you said. (6.9825 times) but by useing 33.3% im already rounding so might round again.

[wraith tundra]

Exactly and thats how we can predict the effects of ice rain on the next patch

Most FMs on korea stuck with 228 ice rain and 48 dd until the gm effect dropped

Then they dropped ice rain dd for wtd but with suspiciously high ice rain gm

[jagged hull]

Note that you still have to go through the cast time before the cooldown starts again

[wraith tundra]

this point breaks even with the gcd on both F uses

F cd is 12 seconds -1 for gcd -1.5 for cast time because you'll be doing all that during the cd of the skill not before and it alternates

As long as it takes less than or at most 3 seconds the calculation stands

Also we can factor in the impact of WTD vs ice rain to set a proper scale on how to invest gm stacks

[wraith tundra]

The following calculation does not factor in soul badges

210ap is actually 210x1.728(gm stack value at 48 since the counts wont be valid unless its 48+)
So it is:
362.88/9seconds and that is 40.32ap per seconds while ice rain is 2.5(at best) per second x7.776ap(assuming 48 for the sake of simplicity not counting the new gm effects in KR) so total of 19.44ap per second which brings us to the following:
during the down time between the casts of WTD (in a perfect scenario) is about 6.5 seconds(that is 3 seconds after WTD then 6- 1.5 (cast)- 1(gcd)) and all that sums up to a total of 126.36ap value from Ice rain for every 362.88ap value from WTD. So not to complicate things even further we won't consider lmb+rmb or F damage which means we are left at a ~74-26 relation at the same crit value

TLDR
If you don't like math the relation of WTD to Ice rain GM is roughly 3-1 at the same crit rate % which means to min max damage and reduce the diminishing returns for every 3% damage increase in WTD get 1% in ice rain this way you don't risk over stacking WTD and losing Ice rain value

[slender trellis]

[wanton root]

Now do it again with leg dchar

[rose wigeon]

legendary fiend fire xD

[median sonnet]

i think the moral of the story here is to not over stack ice rain rather than wtd, considering how most ppl think, since for example if you have 30 rain and 80 wtd, adding 18 to wtd is better adding 18 to rain, even if you take the gm buffs into account, but many people would be baited to go 48 80

when only at like 120 wtd stacks is it time to start adding to the 30 stack rain, also the reality is like 4 to 1 more like, since u dont do 2.5 rain/s

im actually curious what the math for char is

[median sonnet]

also i dont rly get why everyone is goin ice, in a 6.5 second window you should do more with char than with ice rain assuming same counts, maybe with ice u can just hold 2 the whole time?

[rose wigeon]

legendary level?

current main skill become legend WTD?

[median sonnet]

i would say so yea

[wanton root]

So after some testing I actually came up with a different way to weave Fire and ice F

It works because i didnt factor WTD Cast time and F GCDs globally

WTD > F > F > WTD > F > WTD > F > WTD > F > F > WTD > F > WTD > F and so on...

I could squeeze 28 WTD casts in 2mins4 seconds instead of 26 WTD casts using that

and its consistent

What I was using before is WTD > F > WTD > F

[lone heart]

WTS Eu gear/skill book pm offers

[wanton root]

WTB NA :
-PURPLE WTD up to X5 PMO

[wraith tundra]

This method is very effective on targets that we over level. However, the next patch targets will be our level maybe higher later on which puts us in a very bad situation with generating fire orbs i’ve had situations where I couldn’t fish for a crit for about 5 seconds which led me to alter my ice rain rotation but still i sometimes get up to 3 seconds of no fire orbs

[wanton root]

Good to know

[wraith tundra]

I’ll work on that one next

[wanton root]

IN my case it might not be as bad, cuz im currently just using tr2t spam macro, so i do as many LMBs as I do RMBS basically. Still trying to figure out if thats best for Dchar (currently purp cuz poor and waiting for leg dchar fix)

[tawny siren]

spoiler: it's not

[wanton root]

[tawny siren]

you get the highest amount of char counts if you use rmb as little as possible

[wanton root]

But u dont care for WTD

Char does barely anything of your dmg

Ya need to make sure you have your ice and fire essences prepped whenever u need to use either F skill

[tawny siren]

i use dragonfrost on cd so idk what you mean

[wanton root]

You have leg wtd?

[jagged hull]

Any coldsnap users

[tawny siren]

no but that doesn't matter, you can still get a frost f proc without spamming t

[wanton root]

On targets u overlevel sure

[tawny siren]

i did it on mookwan at 60 too

[wanton root]

No i mean I totally agree with you

For pure Dchar

[tawny siren]

if you're trying to maximize your damage you can still try to optimize your char counts imo

[wanton root]

Not when dchar does less than 25% of your dmg no. You'll gain more on WTD number of uses and some of it back on palm counts too.

[jagged hull]

I like how our only crit buff is on a skill you cant use with WTD (we dont talk about windstorm )

[tawny siren]

blazing beam will be getting it's own crit buff soon

[wanton root]

And the 25% dmg on DC was with 18 GM on WTD

imagine if I had 48 and the WTD badge

[jagged hull]

True actually...

Hear me out

Remove instant cast inferno from blazing beam gms

Add instant cast wicked twin

[slender trellis]

[wanton root]

With 2 skill dmg being so irrellevant due to WTD being just that strong.

Im considering swapping to BB just to get the extra crit rate for WTD

lmao

when the gms hit

Anyways im not meta since im using dchar and not ice rain

[wraith tundra]

This actually might be a legit play

[wanton root]

Its hard to tell cuz rn my gms are very scuffed

so my parse are scuffed as well

[wraith tundra]

The only problem with bb is aoe

And this game needs aoe

Wtd is not good for leveling

Ice rain is a monster

[wanton root]

Dchars doing pretty well in MSP too

4x16

[wraith tundra]

Yeah its decent but ice rain is just smoother

I tried all 3

Ice rain takes the cake efficiency wise

You dont have to look your target in the eye so to speak

[wanton root]

Nice

[median sonnet]

also the ap is wrong for ice rain

im youd prolly want to take into account the gm ap buffs, but even if you dont rain does a bit more now

i compiled the numbers from kr, since we dont have yast updates anymore

beam:
blue: 3.15x ap, 3.45x ap burn dmg
purpel: 3.75x ap, 4.05x ap burn dmg
leggy: 5.8x ap, 5x ap burn dmg
rain:
blue: 3.35x ap
purpel: 3.95x ap
leggy: 4.75x ap

infernal blow:
purpel: 1.9x ap, 0.95x ap burn dmg

meteor:
purpel: 15x ap, 10x ap burn dmg (2x ap per hit), 2% hp per hit, 0.14% accuracy per hit

[wraith tundra]

I did clarify that the calculation is based on what we currently have

[median sonnet]

oh didnt see

tho you wouldnt wana plan ur books around the state of the 2 weeks or so while we still dont have the chnages

[feral lynx]

why there are no ice rains on market for past 2 days?

[wanton root]

Time to switch to dchar, theres 4 of em

[potent oak]

WTS NA PM (Annelis)

[wraith tundra]

@wanton root you’re running wtd with char or rain?

[wanton root]

Char. I got broke after getting it so full switch hard to do

[lone heart]

Sold : Dual dragon / bracelet / belt / shock fire / blazing wall / belt / dragon char x2

[median sonnet]

"mystery chest added"

= new patch?

= possibility?

[fierce parrot]

Oh?

[median sonnet]

idk im just on hopium here

nope

[supple condor]

I have a question. I have a skill to choose from the Battle Pass. Which purple skill should I choose? I already have Ice Rain, but I was thinking of claiming Wicked Twin Dragons. Will that work for me? I could only have one copy, and the rest would be blue.

[wraith tundra]

WTD is a legendary only book

[supple condor]

Do you mean that it is only profitable to have it in legendary quality?

[primal pulsar]

WTB wicked dragons purple x6

[median sonnet]

yes

otherwise its not worth using

prolly best to get another ice rain

[edgy oriole]

u use the ice mystic badge for ice build right

[wanton root]

WTB NA Purple Wicked Twin Dragons X5. PMO

[supple condor]

Thanks for the clarification and the advice

[supple condor]

yes

[lone heart]

WTS Eu gear/skill book pm offers

[wanton root]

WTB NA Purple Wicked Twin Dragons X5. PMO

[primal pulsar]

WTB purple wicked dragons x3

[weak hemlock]

EU WTB DUAL DRAGON PURPLE

[merry hearth]

if force blast massive snowball and cold snap all share gcd and are 2 sec gcd, should macro delay for them be 2sec as well

[wanton root]

WTB NA Purple Wicked Twin Dragons X5. PMO

[inland steppe]

For dragonchar what are prioritized purp books + general rotation

[jagged hull]

1. Dragonchar
2. Blazing Palm
3. Shock Fire (qol and focus regen) = Dual Dragons (bleed) = Blazing Wall (dmg) = Fiend Fire (dmg)

Optional are stuff like Frost Palm (purple, you do want this book at blue tier), Wildfire (book is only usable at purple tier)

Note that you can run Impact instead of Shock Fire (preference, Shock Fire generates focus but has a cooldown)

Cold Snap is decent to have at blue tier (until you can replace it with a purple dragonchar stack)

Your rotation is 2r normally and 2rt when you need to generate a frost orb (cold snap can also do that)

You rotate between Balefire and Shock Fire/Impact to apply Burn (or Wildfire, but that book is optional as I said)

Dual Dragons is typically used before Shock Fire/Impact to apply 5 Ember stacks

You can also use Dragonfrost for focus (you will run out of focus with Dragonchar)

[wanton root]

ShockFire? Wut Ive never used shockfire

Thats a BB thing AFAIK

[jagged hull]

No

Shock Fire is Impact for people with focus needs

Blazing Beam doesnt have focus issues, so it never runs Shock Fire

[wanton root]

Except this guy does

[jagged hull]

Infernal Blow

This is endgame BlazingBeam

No other books

Pre-legendary books anyway

[inland steppe]

Thank you ☺️

[median sonnet]

yea shockfire is for more focus if u need

otherwise impact is better in any respect

[median sonnet]

bro is ready for next patch xd

[jagged hull]

Do we know any details about those buffs yet

[median sonnet]

ye

[jagged hull]

I mean Infernal Blow specifically

Ive seen the rest

I guess I havent seen Meteor Shower either

[median sonnet]

.\

[jagged hull]

hmm

Why are we buffing ice rain

[median sonnet]

xddddd

good fkin question

[jagged hull]

the changes to Infernal Blow seem kinda small

But maybe infernal blow with beam denoting embers is better than palm + beam?

2% hp per hit, 0.14% accuracy per hit

You've got those the wrong way around

[median sonnet]

yea i misstyped

[median sonnet]

60% more dmg is pretty good

but you will be runnin it anyways

for 2 reasons

first, the most important, palm ember explosions will be a dps loss, cuz beam ember explosions will be affected by gm stacks

[jagged hull]

oh that works

thats nice

[median sonnet]

and second, you want more ember stacks

which infernal blow gives 2 vs 1 palm

[jagged hull]

hmm

I guess they'll finally have a real reason to complain about blazing palm users

[median sonnet]

ye xd

its pretty crazy

if you crit 100%

every single blazing beam would be an explosion

cuz 2 from infernal and 3 from beam

so havin someone stealin ur stacks would make a serious diff vs solo dps

[jagged hull]

cant relate

[median sonnet]

[wanton root]

Personal embers when

[heady zinc]

any new meta for force master ?

[wanton root]

WTB NA Purple Wicked Twin Dragons X5. DM me price

[rugged crypt]

wtb eu purp wicked twi draggns

[wanton root]

WTS NA - Everything on Starboy
-F3
-PM Gear you want and your offer

[crimson musk]

hi all. can somebody tell me that is the minimum blue skill requiment for ice rain fm? and what is the rotation?

or a complete yast skilltree maybe ^^

[jagged hull]

https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="TraitView"&p="NEOEU030925"&class="ForceMaster"&spec=0&neoSkills="H4sIAJdx4mgAA2vaEpyak5pckpoSnJ2Zk5OUn5_tmVI8rXGRZ8pZxpUQ6iaE2gKmmHggvB8Q6sxGsD7fxOKS1KLK4JLEktTGbShCYOMz8_OKGwDz21J_bAAAAA"

The basic idea is Z boosts Ice Rain, X is used for cdr on Z and 1 is used for cdr on X

You do want to have the mystic badge (cdr Coldsnap)

[crimson musk]

Thank you

[crimson musk]

one more thing,what skills should i lock to not use?

[jagged hull]

Windstorm and Frost Prison (if you dont have frost sheath equipped)

You can also lock Wildfire and Inferno

Since youre pressing those keys for their ice stance skills

[crimson musk]

Oky,thanks for all help ❤️

[wanton root]

WTS NA - Everything on Starboy
-F3 : Books, Acessories, Weapon all for sale
-PM Gear/books you want and your offer preferably

[wanton root]

Cancel that, we're so back BB!!!
WTB NA : Yall's purple WTD DM Price

[median sonnet]

what happened?

[wanton root]

Nothing

People are broke and were just giga lowballing my gear

So Im stuck on FM

a prison of my own making

[crimson musk]

you do rmb lmb ice rain as rotation? and between them keep up the boost? and sometimes F for focus recovery?

[edgy oriole]

Whats wrong with fm what did you want to play? Assuming u weren't quitting in the first place

[merry hearth]

yeah

disable f or keep it for focus recovery

[crimson musk]

allright,thx

[wanton root]

WTB NA : Purple Wicked Twin Dragons. Please dm me price.

[lusty raptor]

Wtb leg ice rain (NA)

[wanton root]

WTB NA : Purple Wicked Twin Dragons. Please dm me price.

[waxen grove]

WTB EU Purple Blazing Beam

[wanton root]

https://tenor.com/vhSqKZ8pIoL.gif

[jagged hull]

[wanton root]

Not mine btw if that wasnt clear

[slender trellis]

[jagged hull]

Itll be yours when you buy it

[median sonnet]

[wanton root]

Nah man

At this point ill just reroll for summ

once i get a Leg hornet For basically trash book price

[wanton root]

Surely it sells the 2nd time around

(Note to self, I should probably stop advertising them for free)

[indigo terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/very-sure-certain-convinced-confident-of-course-gif-23343585

the market is jsut one giant social experiment

see how far u can push that wallet

[wanton root]

[indigo terrace]

i wont lie its remarkable how far we come

price use to be in the 50k s

or eeven higher

[wanton root]

I bought a purple sunflower 89k back in the BSH Days

Yes I have brain dmg I know

[indigo terrace]

nah

i cant even fault players during those times

im lowkey saulty i never got the hair for cobalt

but now its not even worth farming that even for the costume

[wanton root]

Lol I remember someone in my old clan (I think Sinful?) wanting to buy them for 10 of thousands

[indigo terrace]

i could never afford it

i refuse to spend such high amount on cosmetic

the most i ever spent was when tibbers sold me the full windgod outfit

when i was still male toon

[wanton root]

I spent 500 gems earlier today to finish my Pink Tiger fit

[indigo terrace]

brtuuuh

[wanton root]

With the SSG hat

[indigo terrace]

speaking of that

i saw biggie and im like

wtf is that fit

i didnt realize all yall have it on

btw what happen to him?

he quit

[wanton root]

At some point I wanna make a screenshot of everyone that has the fit

Permabanned due to twitch exploit

[indigo terrace]

daaamn so they actually banned people

i had no idea

[wanton root]

Yes

[indigo terrace]

thought it was a 7 day susp at most

[wanton root]

Mioi is also permabanned Afaik

[wanton root]

It was

Till they decided 3 weeks later

to just ret-con the ban into permanent

Out of nowhere

[indigo terrace]

interesting

[wanton root]

never got an explanation as to why

[indigo terrace]

wonder if everyone got hit like that or people who jsut did it excessively

[wanton root]

Nia got unbanned pretty quick

but 3 other people (pink included) in my clan are still perma AFAIK

[indigo terrace]

summoner nia?

[wanton root]

Yeah

[indigo terrace]

ah well

maybe those guys are actualyl the real winners

freed from the prison

of bns neo

we all have issues tbh

[wanton root]

No joke I should write a ticket to get my account permabanned

I would be free foreever

[indigo terrace]

fr its the only way id stop playing

bns combat is too peak

i havent found a game that could compare

maybe wushu from the gameplay my friend showed me ngl

or revelation when the game was going on pc

[wanton root]

Maybe Tera 2 will save us

[wanton nova]

wtb NA: leg wicked twin dragon/trash leg

[still charm]

Please do it it would look like a memorial somehow

[wanton root]

WTB NA :
Purple Wicked Twin Dragons.
Legendary Hornet Nest

PM your price. Thanks

[hexed skiff]

WTS NA

[median sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pablo-lonely-alone-gif-12928789

[jagged hull]

😔

[wanton root]

So how does Ice Rain work with wtd

[median sonnet]

wdym

[wanton root]

Just spam 2RT?

I got Leg ice rain from hajoono scam box

[median sonnet]

[jagged hull]

Rigged?

[median sonnet]

umm

kinda yea

you just do your 2rt spam, one of the dragonfrost/blaze skills, then wildfire and wtd

[wanton root]

Doesnt change much from dragonchar then... except i clearly dont need balefire anymore

Ice rain costs so little focus in comparison

[median sonnet]

compared to 3 focus char ye

[jagged hull]

When you need to crit but your class is really bad at crits

[tawny siren]

53% on yeti at nearly 13k crit rate

[solar sand]

lol

[jagged hull]

What's your level?

[tawny siren]

74

[jagged hull]

Thats not a good sign 💀

You're going to need lv79 to do the same vs lair 💀

[tawny siren]

yeah that's not gonna happen in 4 weeks

[merry hearth]

who else finds skyhaven/beastbog to be pure suffering 💀 esp as ice rain fm

[shrewd bramble]

did the tw or jp frens get any info on fm buffs?

do we have to wait another 4 weeks...

[jagged hull]

There's no chance we'll get a skillpatch before the battlepass expires

[edgy oriole]

Whats the best rota for ice fm macro? 2rblb, 2lbrb or 22lblb22rbrb or lb rb swap dunno which u put first and why didnt care too much to look into it

[shrewd bramble]

best rota is alt f4

[merry hearth]

i had a stroke understanding rblb lol

usually lb/lmb = r and rb/rmb =t

[edgy oriole]

ah ya

idk why i wrote rb lb when i use r t myself

[deft finch]

blazing beam buff when?

[jagged hull]

When the battlepass expires

[cedar tulip]

hi all. I'm not a FM anymore but I'm just bumping this. Your insight and comments help a lot. Please boost this post to the sky and do the 5 min survey! https://discord.com/channels/1164688788086345830/1428620869089099888

[vast peak]

Is there a way to increase cast speed of Ice Rain? i can only cast 1- 1.5 per sec

[median sonnet]

even without other skills weaved in?

[vast peak]

No, like with cold snap i do 1 - 1.5 per sec

is there any other spell to boost ice rain more?

i feel like i have lost some dps since the past week

[jagged hull]

Are you casting Ice Rain manually or with a macro

[vast peak]

Yea, rt2 isnt generating enough focus to keep it on

at 4200 cr , lvl 59

do i need more acc? i think that has reduced since last week since i upgraded all soul shield to cr cd

[jagged hull]

You would notice if you were missing attacks

Idk what content youre doing or how much accuracy you have

Are you getting normal ice rain counts during boost?

[vast peak]

i am doing gardens rn, acc : 1200
i read that we can do 2.5 ice rains per sec at max boost. i cant, maybe just ping

but i tried playing BM for a bit and i can do 3-4 HS per sec at same ping, idk what to do, maybe just increase cd for more damage?

[median sonnet]

you can do 2.5 ice rains at max boost if you just hold down 2

with blazing/frost palm mixed in you can hope to get 2.25 at most prolly unless u have godlike ping

but thats the rate in a vacuum, in a real fight you will use skills other than rmb/lmb/2 so if you just check your counts at the end of the fight you wont see 2.25, but something significantly lower

[vast peak]

yea, i think i can go up to 1.75 per sec if i mash fast enough, but thats not enough damage i guess. I am doing 10K -11K crits in Garden and that is i think quite low dps at this point.
(1050 AP, 4200 cr , 2600 cd) should i focus on AP or cd to get better dps?

[jagged hull]

Both

They dont really compete for the same slot

But for stuff like special insignias you take ap

[wanton root]

WTB NA

• Heroic Ice Rain 3x
• Heroic Wicked Twin Dragons 4x
  PM price thanks

[hearty glacier]

WTB EU DUAL DRAGON

[median sonnet]

there were like 3 on the market yesterday

no way they all got bought...

[cedar tulip]

Bumping #💬︱neo-chat message

[wanton root]

Bump

[dry escarp]

WTS pm NA server

[latent tulip]

Is Icerain or Dragon Charr better assuming you have one purple book?

[median sonnet]

at purple dragonchar is better, but not by much, you can just choose the one you like more

[latent tulip]

Thx. Can someone explain to me how Dragon Char FM works? From my understanding you use meteorshower and balefire to Recover Focus while spamming dragonchar until 5 Stacks of Ember. Then Impact Burn or Shockfire into Inferno series Skill to reduced CD of meteorshower with mystic badge. Then Meteorshower and Dragonchar again. Am I doing sth wrong? Should i also try to Dualdragon or Wicked Dragon in between or is that a different build? I also don't understand what Ember stacks do.

[jagged hull]

You just always spam dragonchar (and lmb/blazing palm)

Ember stacks are used by purple lmb/blazing palm to automatically trigger ember explosion (damage) or with Shock Fire/Impact to trigger Burn (when used on an enemy with 5 ember stacks) and instant cast Inferno (Fiend Fire).

You alternate between Balefire and Shock Fire/Impact for burn uptime, burn causes your skills to do more damage (dragonchar and iirc meteor/blazing wall).

Dual Dragons (and Dragonfrost) you use for extra focus, and you can also use Dual Dragons (for the 5 Ember Stacks) with Shockfire/Impact to trigger Burn. You typically see Dragonchar players using this mystic badge, but the Meteor/Wall isnt wrong to use.

Running out of focus is (unfortunately) a normal part of Dragonchar gameplay

[latent tulip]

Ty that helped a lot

I heard you shouldnt use purple Blazing Palm is there a reason?

[jagged hull]

You heard wrong

Some people dont like the ember explosion

[jagged hull]

^ but there's ways around it

And it represents a lot of damage compared to the blue version.

[latent tulip]

Ok thx.

Would you recommend cold snap If you can only Stack Blue Dragonchar?

[jagged hull]

Yeah its good enough

(Note that the purple version of cold snap adds 0 damage over the blue version.)

[latent tulip]

And is Shockfire better then Impact Burn? I See it go for more dg on market

[jagged hull]

Price is pretty random

Since the supply of books isnt particularly high

[latent tulip]

Yeah I saw purple execute from Destroyer for 12k dg the other day xd

[jagged hull]

Theres some books that are in high demand

I dont know if thats a realistic price (for Destroyers), but it sounds high

I would probably prefer Impact over Shock Fire at green tier

At purple tier Shock Fire can be worth it for the extra focus (and lower cooldown vs green tier.)

Its definetly a low priority upgrade though

[supple grove]

Half of the FMs have left the game, the grandmaster effect is just coming..

ncsoft has a really well-thought-out team

[night nacelle]

In EU?

[zealous compass]

wts pm NA

[slender trellis]

[manic mauve]

Eu leggy price check

[median sonnet]

going down

[mystic abyss]

WTS NA (trash book)

[jagged hull]

Great force master skill

[latent tulip]

Does 48 GM Dragon char solve Focus issues or still struggling to keep Focus Up?

[jagged hull]

Can still run out of focus, but its pretty smooth generally

Still need balefire (and dual dragons) though

[latent tulip]

Meteorshower not needed?

[jagged hull]

I dont use that

(Purple) blazing wall is better

Did meteor shower get buffed today?

[latent tulip]

Was thinking how many Skills incanbget rid of to get to 48 GM. Other that Blazing Palm, balefire and dual Dragons nothing is rly needed right?

[latent tulip]

I don't think it got buffed. FM only got GM Stacks and Changes to leg skills

[jagged hull]

You can use dual dragons without a book for focus purposes

Though the bleed is ofcourse very valuable

I guess you dont strictly need shock fire or impact

But you still want to have it

Not having frost palm can also be quiet sketchy

[latent tulip]

The Burn of Shockfire seems to be bugged. Sometimes it does not apply even through Ember stacks are on 5. Or i am doing sth wrong.

[jagged hull]

Its not bugged

Just annoying by design

Either you or another fm caused an ember explosion in the mean time

[tawny siren]

meteor shower and other skills did get buffed:
Blazing Beam:
Purple: 2.70x AP -> 3.75x AP, 4.05x AP Burn Dmg (16% buff)
Legendary: 3.20x AP -> 5.80x AP, 5.00x AP Burn Dmg (32% buff)
Ice Rain:
Purple: 3.30x AP -> 3.95x AP (20% buff)
Legendary: 4.50x AP -> 4.75x AP (5% buff)
Meteor Shower:
Purple: 10.00 AP -> 15.00x AP, 6.00x AP Burn Dmg -> 10x AP Burn Dmg (56% buff)
Infernal Blow: 1.40x AP -> 1.90x AP, 0.35x AP -> 0.95x AP Burn Dmg (63% buff)

[hearty glacier]

Dragonchar?

[median sonnet]

nomegalul

[jagged hull]

At least the legendary book is finally playable

[heady zinc]

WTS EU

[frank sky]

Wts eu

[cloud needle]

WTS Na gift me best offer

[uncut wigeon]

wts na dm

[tidal walrus]

WTS EU PM

[cloud needle]

WTS NA

[dusty tapir]

WTB Leggy dragon char NA DM me

[crimson musk]

WTB EU Accessorys+Weap+Badges [Hexwood true or Winter +0-+4)

Top part: CR/CD 3 slot/3 Mantra+Crit rate/Accuracy Psy
Bottom Part: CR/CD 3 slot/3 Mantra+CR+CD Psy
Weapon: CR/CD 3 slot 2-3 Mantra Soul Core Slot+ CR/CD Psy
Badges:

Both Sacred Badge(stat etc dont care)

Combat Xp on items big bonus
Show me what you got and price(Price is must)

[neat roost]

WTS EU, PM OFFER

[wise walrus]

WTB Leggy ICERAIN NA

[crimson musk]

WTB EU Accessorys+Weap+Badges [Hexwood true or Winter +0-+4)

Top part: CR or CD 3 slot/3 Mantra+Crit rate/Accuracy Psy
Bottom Part: CR or CD 3 slot/3 Mantra+CR+CD Psy
Weapon: CR/CD 2-3 Mantra Soul Core Slot+ CR/CD Psy
Badges:

Both Sacred Badge(stat etc dont care)

Combat Xp on items big bonus
Show me what you got and price(Price is must)

[tall gorge]

WTS EU

[merry hearth]

anyone have a pvp build for fm

[finite acorn]

anyone know what kr server update ?

[median sonnet]

Dragonchar:
Purple: 4.30x AP -> 5.55x AP, 1.10x AP Burn Dmg
Legendary: 4.45x AP -> 6.10x AP, 1.50x AP Burn Dmg
GM 18: 0.80x AP -> 1.80x AP on 5 Attacks
GM 30: 1.00x AP -> 3.30x AP on 5 Attacks
Virtuous Soul Badge: 0.50x AP -> 1.55x AP
Sacred Soul Badge: 0.70x AP -> 2.55x AP

Blazing Beam:
Purple: 3.75x AP -> 6.50x AP, 4.05x AP Burn Dmg -> 4.30x AP Burn Dmg
Legendary: 5.80x AP -> 8.90x AP, 5.00x AP Burn Dmg -> 5.95x AP Burn Dmg
Virtuous Soul Badge: 1.10x AP -> 2.50x AP
Sacred Soul Badge: 1.80x AP -> 4.10x AP

Dual Dragons:
Purple: 9.10x AP -> 14.10x AP
Legendary: 10.50x AP -> 18.50x AP
GM 48: +10% Crit Dmg for 10s -> +30% Crit Dmg for 10s

Fiend Fire:
Purple: 20.85x AP -> 27.10x AP, 8.00x AP -> 10.50x AP Additional Cast
Inferno:
Purple: 9.10x AP -> 12.95x AP, 6.05x AP -> 7.40x AP Stunned/Dazed Dmg
Blinding Blaze:
Purple: 5.50x AP -> 7.15x AP, 3.45x AP -> 4.45x AP Knockdown Dmg

Meteor Shower:
Purple: 15.00 AP -> 22.00x AP, 10.00x AP Burn Dmg -> 14.50x AP Burn Dmg
Sacred Soul Badge: 8.90x AP -> 14.50x AP
Blazing Wall:
Sacred Soul Badge: 8.90x AP -> 14.50x AP

Dragonblaze:
1.00 AP -> 3.95x AP
Dragonfrost:
1.55 AP -> 3.95x AP

courtesy of @tawny siren

[crimson musk]

WTB EU Accessorys+Weap+Badges [Hexwood true or Winter +0-+4)

Top part: 3 slot/3 Mantra+Crit rate/Accuracy Psy
Bottom Part: 3 slot/3 Mantra+CR+CD Psy
Weapon: CR/CD 2-3 Mantra Soul Core Slot+ CR/CD Psy
Badges:

Both Sacred Badge(stat etc dont care)

Combat Xp on items big bonus
Show me what you got and price(Price is must)

[neat roost]

WTS EU, PM

[wise walrus]

icerain. nothing else! (NA pvp is dead dead 🙁 hopefuly youre not NA)

[merry hearth]

sad. im in na lol

so dragonchar no good?

like in live

[wise walrus]

It can be good, but since icerain doesn’t need to be aimed… well it helps get the target + purp cold snap trigger slow walk !

[merry hearth]

rip TT.TT i have a bunch of dragonchar books, including purple that i used for my pvp build

[crimson musk]

WTB EU 3 mantra 3 slot fm bracelet dm what you got and price

[desert raft]

WTS

[solar sand]

does any1 have and willing to sell Dual dragon? purple not a whale to buy legy :c

[polar cosmos]

WTS purple wtd eu

[crimson musk]

WTB EU FULL FM Items(3/3 combat xp double crit+good psyche)

[merry hearth]

how much does leggy dc sell for? and how much is leggy ice rain 🥀 (anyone wanna trade)

[crimson musk]

WTB EU Neck+gloves+badges good phys+combat xp prefer 3/3 slot

[merry hearth]

@noble aurora is dragonchar fun? do ppl actually gatekeep parties if ur both fire fm

[jagged hull]

thats a meme

have not seen that happen since moonwater

[merry hearth]

oh thanks. which build r u

[jagged hull]

Dragonchar

[tawny siren]

no reason to gatekeep, since every fm should be playing wildfire if wtd or dual dragons, both of which apply burn

and fiend fire is a meme skill anyway at this point

[jagged hull]

Its kinda good, kinda meme

[noble aurora]

i <3 dragonchar! i personally find it fun but before i was char i was beam

[noble aurora]

also no i have personally never been gatekept from a dungeon for being char

[noble aurora]

wait

didnt u get a leggy char yday

[latent tulip]

char will get a major buff especially if you have the sacred badge. Only thing that is annoying is that your whole screen is full of fire all the time.

[noble aurora]

u don't like seeing a million dragons on ur screen?

[merry hearth]

yeah haha. considering making the switch from ice rain to dcgar since i got it in my transmute. idc about dmg thaaaat much, but i like ice rain for its aesthetics and i dont have to aim issue is im concerned ab gatekeeping ig?

but i mean, if i got the leggy either i salvage for 4 frags (pray), sell it, or use it

[merry hearth]

loool i heard about the fire buffs coming soon, but idk if it still compares with ice rain/wtd

[merry hearth]

if u get leggy wtd would u use it with dchar? ive been told wtd is meta and its even better than leggy ice rain

[tawny siren]

it will end up being better than ice/wtd

[tawny siren]

and i would run dual dragons on char

[latent tulip]

I would Run 3 Legendary Impact, balefire and Rest Dragonchar.

[latent tulip]

Yeah damage will be at least 1.5 of the current damage

[merry hearth]

is there a reason for 3 leggy impacts? lol. not that getting 3 copies of leggy impact is feasible for me

to my understanding, purple fire palm and purple wildfire r bis for 48 leggy dc

evee doesnt even run impact i think?

[tawny siren]

you don't need any other focus or burn skills if you run leg dual dragons

the idea is to maximize your char counts this way

[merry hearth]

leg dual dragons + 48gm leg dc = no need for purp blazing palm, wildfire, and balefire? o.o

[tawny siren]

yeah, except for palm

[merry hearth]

oh ok

thanks yall :3

first time ive even thought about fire fm spec since launch 🤣

[noble aurora]

do you have a page just in case?

[noble aurora]

yaa sometimes i sneeze or sumthin n my dchar goes to narnia

[merry hearth]

no 🥲 gotta pray hardddd

[noble aurora]

and about the gatekeeping no one is going to do that lmao

unless they are lame af

[merry hearth]

ngl, most whales ive met r ice rain anyway and i dont think they care about a fire fm anyway

[noble aurora]

but if u do try to sell that dchar gl i think the last one i know of selling was like 16k or something and there were like 4 of them in market yday

ya most of them r ice rain wicked twin

but if u wanna look at dchar whale go look at notitanafk

dual dragon+dchar

[merry hearth]

evee, if u get wtd r u gonna use it with ur dchar or sell/salvage

[noble aurora]

naw id rather sell it and get my dual drag

[merry hearth]

ah

[noble aurora]

i alr have purple dual dragz saved in my inventory

for double 48 gm

[merry hearth]

ice rain = wtd, dchar = dual drag

[noble aurora]

i like having burn and bleed

if u are going wtd u have no bleed

[merry hearth]

ouch... 16k

[noble aurora]

yeahhh

the ones in the market are all aroun 19-20k i think

[merry hearth]

before maint today i saw someone selling for 19.5k, guess theyre coping

[noble aurora]

but havent been selling

xD

[merry hearth]

yeah LOLOL

[latent tulip]

48 GM Impact gives you 5 Focus without Cool down, extends Burn, more damage then blazing palm and detonates Ember so its basically better blazing Palm. You basically need nothing Else except balefire so you have 14 Dragonchar Slots. With Dual Dragons you get the 30% Critdamage Buff next Patch which is nice. But don't know how the 3s Recovery makes the Rotation smooth regarding Focus even with reset from Badge. And you would presumably Go Frostpalm to fish for crits and blazing Palm so only 13 Dragonchar Stacks xd probably still better build If you can get 3 Leg dual deagons

[merry hearth]

oh right, is purp frost palm required??

i saw evee using it but idk if its just bc its nice to have or necessary for more dmg

[latent tulip]

Blue is good enough. You only Care for the upgrade to 0 Focus Costa

[merry hearth]

ah

fair enough

[latent tulip]

But purple more sf

And Looks more whale

[merry hearth]

haha

[tawny siren]

the 3s window is enough to not need any dd resets

[merry hearth]

i could reach 48dg on dcgar with 1 leggy 4 purple, 6 blue. i already have 1leg 1purp 2blue. probs not optimal if i try to 48gm stack dual drag or impact tho.

[latent tulip]

The non whale build is probably wildfire, + focus regen of your choice + Dragonchar Stacks. You need Dual Dragons Leg or Impact Leg to attenpt 48 GM on both IT and char

[noble aurora]

I think rn all im running is
dragonchar, wildfire, frost palm, blazing palm, frost sheathe ;) but only bc i have room for it

once i got my leggy chars i dropped balefire

[merry hearth]

oh ya, did fire spec end up getting the buffs today?

[neat roost]

WTB EU

[jagged hull]

They never do balance changes on regular maintenance

Only with the major patches

[median sonnet]

we probably wont get them on the next regular maintenance either tho

🥀

[jagged hull]

Not the first time

[bitter eagle]

WTB Dragonchar EU

[shell flax]

WTS> NA

[crimson musk]

WTB EU Legendary ice rain 14k dm me

[shell flax]

WTB> NA PMO

[shell flax]

WTB> NA - PMO

[shell cave]

WTB EU WINTERBANE GLOVES PMO

[neat roost]

WTS EU

[merry hearth]

WTB dd, purp palm, wildfire 200-250 each, dchar 750 each

[marble pelican]

https://youtu.be/Jl3SebeJ5nM

Yeti basic guide

[merry hearth]

is this good for 48gm leggy dchar build?

assuming i have purp wildfire, blazing palm, and dual drag

[jagged hull]

It does absolutely nothing for you in that situation

[merry hearth]

even tho it boosts dchar on 5 ember?

[jagged hull]

Leggy dchar is always boosted

[merry hearth]

ohh

okok

[jagged hull]

You could technically use it if you wanted to go Impact + Fiend Fire instead of Wildfire

But its more inconvenient and the gains are minimal (if any)

[merry hearth]

oooh i see, tyty

[latent tulip]

Is there a way to make Leg Dragon Charr hurt the eyes less. Turning of bloom makes it even more cancerous

[polar cosmos]

Suffering from success

[dry igloo]

play own particle effects at 5?

[dry igloo]

So u going to start making guide regularly now? 😄

[merry hearth]

NA WTB wildfire, blazing palm 300 ea

[hallow summit]

WTB NA PMO

[uncut wigeon]

for legendary impact/shock fire - can it cast Inferno while it's on cooldown? or is it 'may instantly cast inferno IF it's not on cooldown'

[floral zodiac]

Should be when off cd.. would be weird if it can somehow bypass cooldowns lol

Maybe someone who tried will know

[dry finch]

Can someone send me a macro for Dragonchar AHK? Thanks.

[jagged hull]

They dont reset the cooldown

[distant quail]

WTS EU, PM

[cosmic flame]

WTS EU pm offers!!

[merry hearth]

WTB NA wildfire blazing palm 300 each, dchar 800 each

[distant quail]

WTS EU:

[latent tulip]

Any Tips for how to Play with Dragon Charr and WTD? I have trouble generating frost orbs and don't know how to use the cool down reduction with dragonblaze/dragonfrost efficiently. Don't have a Rotation right now just pressing what comes up on screen and feels very inconsistent

Problem is when indont crit with ice skills multiple times i lose a lot of dps

[cerulean nacelle]

There is some kind of problem with legg dragonchar ? Keep getting error 1000 in Dng when I'm spamming it 🙃🙃. Help ?? 😭

[bitter eagle]

Send me your dchar. My error 3000 can take care of it

[jagged hull]

No issues with it here

[cerulean nacelle]

It's a bound one 🤣🤣

[south palm]

WTB - LEGGY TWIN DRAGONS on EU

[latent tulip]

Do you guys know any FM Streamer or Youtuber? Probably any korean?

[tall gorge]

@latent tulip kr fm streamer https://www.youtube.com/@dotol_TV

[latent tulip]

Thx

[next pivot]

Which fm build have more dps? Dragonchar, frost or beam?

[jagged hull]

Theyre probably pretty even right now (its not exactly easy to compare skills)

But wicked twin dragon (only with legendary skill books) does so much damage that the difference between beam/char/ice rain is pretty insignificant

Post-balance patch beam and char will definetly beat ice rain, but ice rain does have the advantage of being better at generating frost orbs (for the wicked twin dragon build).

[next pivot]

thx. but what about purple books only?

[jagged hull]

Should be dragonchar

[next pivot]

Dragonchar>frost>beam, right?

[jagged hull]

Probably yeah

Dragonchar does have focus issues unfortunately

[manic mauve]

BEAM IS THE BEST

[bitter eagle]

WTB Necklace and Belt (min +4) FM EU

[merry hearth]

wtb NA purple wildfire, dchar

[distant quail]

WTS fm:

[merry hearth]

is purple wildfire actually necessary for leggy 48gm dchar? what if i run 48gm leggy dchar + 18gm purple dual drag

[jagged hull]

How do you intend to apply Burn?

[merry hearth]

isnt ember burn

[jagged hull]

No

[merry hearth]

oh

hehe

[jagged hull]

Embers are used in Ember explosion

And 5 embers can also be used with shock fire and impact to trigger burn

[merry hearth]

purple blazing palm also achieves that right

so that applies burn

i have 48gm leggy dchar, purple lmb and rmb, and 1 copy of purp dd rn

thinking of going for 18gm purp dd , and that might reduce the need to use fire and ice f? maybe disable those two

[jagged hull]

No

[jagged hull]

Only those (you use one of those and balefire typically)

Ice f is pretty useful

Fire f you dont need (but also no need to disable it imo)

[solar sand]

NO? those two are reduce your Dual Dragon cd by 9 sec each.
so that u can keep %10 crit rate all the time during fights.

[merry hearth]

ohhh oki

so i need them

and i need wildfire or balefire for burn

[solar sand]

both fine.

if u dont have focus problem no need balefire

[merry hearth]

any dchar dual drag macro?

only using these books + wildfire

[noble aurora]

i ran both wild fire and bale fire but dropped balefire after i got leggy dragonchar. and then after leggy dual dragons u can drop wildifre too bc dual dragons applies burn

[merry hearth]

thanks evee

clutch advice

@noble aurora u using macro btw? idk if i asked u

[noble aurora]

yaaa dm me ill help when im home

[merry hearth]

hell yeah

ilysm

[merry hearth]

wts NA

[solar sand]

how much legy dual dragon and char nowadays in EU?

[jagged hull]

Supply is so low that I dont think theres really a good answer to that

[noble aurora]

WTB HEROIC WICKED TWIN DRAGONS (NA) x1

[cosmic flame]

buff fm fm weak

[noble aurora]

still wtb pls nvm i just made my own

[median sonnet]

blink twice if u are in danger

[merry hearth]

wtb dchar purp x3 850dg

[fierce parrot]

wtb leggy dchar eu

[cosmic flame]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792422868138590219/890659859043844217/FM-weak.gif

[solar sand]

https://tenor.com/view/weak-weakness-disgusts-me-disgusted-disgusting-gif-17171223

thats how other classes look down to FMs

[celest parrot]

wts

[maiden plover]

wts Lego ice rain and WTD NA

[hollow pasture]

WTS EU

[jagged hull]

Do we know if gm48 dual dragons now actually adds 30% cdmg?

Since it still says 10% ingame

[tawny siren]

it does

[maiden plover]

wts Lego ice rain and WTD NA

[tropic yacht]

so is dual dragon good now or is wtd still way better?

[robust gyro]

Hi. I got legg ice rain. Can someone tell me the skill rotation please? My focus end so fast...

[grave geyser]

dragonchar still a viable build? seems like WTD is meta now- rolling off bd with the 1 leg book and rest purples

having trouble finding any up to date stuff

[median sonnet]

yea dragonchar is a viable build now, ideally you want legendary dual dragons to go along with it, but even without it's probably better than 1 leggy wtd

[median sonnet]

with leggy rotation is pretty simple, just rt2, you wana throw in some dual dragons with dragonblaze/dragonfrost to reset its cd if its not leggy for focus

idk if thats enough to sustain focus, if it isnt can slot in a ice touch focus recovery

[merry hearth]

are you hitting your crits? focus recovery shouldnt be an issue unless ur underleveled for the dungeon, mismanaging/using wrong skills, or have low crit/accuracy.

[wise walrus]

WTB leggy ICERAIN 15.5k NA

[maiden plover]

WTS leggy WTD NA

[zenith moss]

please, don't kill me when i ask: can FM be macro-ed in the current builds?
I suffered heavily when I play it years ago, with the constant LMB/RMB
I am trying to decide which class to change to

[jagged hull]

Can and should be

You can pretty much use the same 2t (2rmb) or 2rt (2lmb rmb) macro for all specs

[zenith moss]

How do you enjoy the class currently?

[jagged hull]

Pretty nice class to play

Good movement

Char has really good aoe damage (ice rain too)

Decent amount of iframes

Not having a block or bubble iframe does get problematic sometimes (but naksun/yunsang are unnecessary to do anyway.)

Char does have focus issues though (ice/beam not really)

And the class suffers from having (almost) no crit buffs

Leggy dragonchar also blocks way too much of the screen

If youre hoping to get good world boss loot and dont have whale gear... you wont, class is too contested.

[atomic axle]

Hi guys ! May I ask if a pure ice rain build is good ? Like 90% ice rain skill book for force master. I saw this video https://youtu.be/HRL1AAK4Op4?si=XwXoYUXn_OHPdtl5

It is 14 ice rain skill book

[polar cosmos]

It was until legendary wtd came out

And now with buffs, you need to get a dual dragon or wtd I believe

On top of ice rain/dragon char

[atomic axle]

Thanks , can someone share their build pls ? I am a bit lost :/

[jagged hull]

Are you asking about purple tier Ice Rain?

The build differs from legendary tier

[atomic axle]

Yes I have one legendary only

I am about to class switch with voucher

And I was interested for ice rain build

I have mainly purple yes

[jagged hull]

If youve only got one legendary you would want to be taking Wicked Twin Dragon

https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="TraitView"&p="NEOEU210126"&class="ForceMaster"&spec=0&neoSkills="H4sIAKHndWkAA2vaEpyak5pckpoSnJ2Zk5OUn5_tmVI8o3GRZ8pZxlUQaiuYYuKF8H5CqDdgiqUNwjsLoW5tBJvim1hcklpUGVySWJLauA1FCGxZZn5ecQMA8R8ol3oAAAA"

I think you would then stack Wicked Twin Dragon until 48, then use your remaining book slots for Ice Rain (up to 48)

If you think you can get enough gold together to get 2 more legendaries (10x 100g boxes + 1 legendary fragment) waiting on that would definetly be ideal

[atomic axle]

I see , so there is not much of an ice rain build anymore ?

[jagged hull]

Ice Rain is probably the weakest of the [2]-key skills standalone

You would want to play it to support Wicked Twin Dragon

[atomic axle]

I see

[jagged hull]

Dragonchar (and Blazing Beam, but probably a bit less) are stronger standalone

[atomic axle]

What do you recommend I play then ?

[jagged hull]

But not stronger than Wicked Twin Dragon

[atomic axle]

As I am very new , in terms of build

Thks between for all your advice

[jagged hull]

Its mainly up to what you prefer

If youre a high ping player Blazing Beam with Wicked Twin Dragon would be the safest option

[atomic axle]

Never tried hahaha that’s the trick

Ping is good

For me

[jagged hull]

Dragonchar would probably not be ideal if you cant get the legendary version

But late game it probably would have the highest ceiling

[atomic axle]

I can since I switch

With the class voucher

[jagged hull]

You would still want to take Wicked Twin Dragon first

[atomic axle]

I see

After I am not aiming highest dps

More high APM and fun gameplay

[jagged hull]

I think the Dragonchar + Dual Dragons build takes high crit dmg% to be competitive

And it's a no-go without both at legendary

[jagged hull]

Ice Rain and Dragonchar are both pretty similar in that regard

[atomic axle]

Okay I think I will start stacking wicked dual dragon (one legendary rest purple up to 48) then ice ICe rain 48

[jagged hull]

Honestly

It wouldnt even be that expensive to just try both (ice rain and dragonchar)

[atomic axle]

Blue ?

[jagged hull]

Dragonchar is slower at blue tier

[atomic axle]

I see

Anyway thks for all your advice 😉

[jagged hull]

Note that you can swap between FM books for one week after class change

At the same voucher cost it takes to change classes

If you swap to FM you can only swap between FM books during that period, you can not transfer any non-FM books to FM once you confirm the class change.

[atomic axle]

I see it is good to know !

so I can play around with different specs

[jagged hull]

Though some of the books you can probably buy for less than the cost of 1 voucher lol

[atomic axle]

Are there any macro for wrd ice rain build ?

[feral lynx]

2rt and you can add the f if you want i guess

[jagged hull]

Sounds awful to add f

[zenith moss]

I am considering class swapping to FM, it has been a long time dream of mine.
How do the 3 specs currently perform? (at least there were 3 the last time I paid attention to the game)

[jagged hull]

Are we talking at legendary tier 🤔

[solar sand]

WTS EU Legy Char

[zenith moss]

I currently have 3 leg skills on my class, I dont know if after the swap I will be able to turn them into 3 copies of the skills I want from the new class
I am still looking into that class change thing

[solar sand]

WTS EU

[jagged hull]

You can, but you have to complete these swaps during the process (that said I havent class changed myself yet, so cant tell you exactly how the process works).

Once you confirm the books are locked to whatever class they are (cant go switching books from your previous class at that point)

[jagged hull]

Depends what build you would be going with

I think with Wicked Twin Dragon + Blazing Beam/Dragonchar/Ice Rain each of the three have advantages and disadvantages (Wicked Twin Dragon would be your biggest contributing skill). Beam is probably in the middle damage-wise but is single target. Dragonchar has the best aoe and is probably the highest damage-wise, but has focus issues (especially if you cant hit 48gm). Ice rain is probably lowest damage-wise but also has aoe (not as good as dragonchar) and is the best at generating Frost Orbs (for wicked twin).

Alternatively you can run Dragonchar + Dual Dragons

Kinda hard to get any comparisons, so not entirely sure but I think its still weaker (than Wicked Twin Dragon) but at least it seems like it can be competitive now

[zenith moss]

thanks for this,
Say I want to go Wicked Twin Dragon + Dragonchar. When you say to hit 48 GM you mean on the Dragonchar right?

[median sonnet]

hmm, personally id recommend going for dual dragon dchar

its an easier build to play, and it has the advantage of having all gm on a single skill, giving cr/cdmg and bleed

which makes it better when you dont have endgame gear

[jagged hull]

Isnt having all gm on one skill a disadvantage? 😅 (besides still needing to hit 48 for the cd%)

[jagged hull]

I'm referring to the focus recovery on 48 gm that dragonchar has, but you wanna hit 48 and more on wicked twin too ofc

[median sonnet]

well no, if i increase my damage on a skill, i get more overall increase if that skill is 85% of my damage vs it being 60-70% of my damage

[jagged hull]

But the diminishing returns

[median sonnet]

the other build gets them too, like for example if ur dmg is split 50/50, means each book u get has its dmg divided in 2

if ur split is 30/70, the first skill has its books divided in 3, which is very bad, and if u say, ill just put all my books in skill 2, ur books still get multiplied by 0.7

vs the other build where their books get multiplied by 0.85

so ur still worse off

if that makes sense

[jagged hull]

Yeah

How much is wicked twin of your damage usually 🤔

[median sonnet]

for char+wtd, with 72 char 96 gm its

uhh

35 char 60 wtd

[jagged hull]

I think it may actually be similar to what dragonchar is in the other build

Since you have dual dragons, fiend fire and wall/meteor all doing pretty significant %s

[median sonnet]

in the other build dragonchar is 85%