#Force Master

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jolly oriole
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yea its like insane.

pallid grotto
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I played ice for 2-3 weeks and it was "more" dps
But one mistake in rota and u cry and lose a lot
Meanwhile bb all u need is burn and spam gg

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Not promoting either
Just play what u like
Max dps comes from dc, if u wanna bother with focus handling manually all the time, the higher gear the easier cause rng focus recovery

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As for leg tier, ice will be superior, purple tier dc

cosmic spindle
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leg ice is the most broken skill in the game

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no competition

pallid grotto
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Can hit 4.0 rains/s and spam 24/7 without carrying much about focus

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Yep defo cute

jolly oriole
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yea i dont see ever gettin leg until they give us a selector for it LOL

pallid grotto
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Focus on what you can obtain and enjoy the game the way u wanna play it

cosmic spindle
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lmk if any of you wanna sell me a purp bb tho bns_peace_smile

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and wildfire

jolly oriole
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lol ive only gotten lucky on the acct bound purples

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my 50 book was ice rain

pallid grotto
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Don't need to copy me, just play whichever u like

jagged hull
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Interestingly, this is not the case on eu.

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That said, both fire builds are significantly cheaper than ice

cosmic spindle
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on NA char is 35k and a bb book is about 7k

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what are EU prices?

jagged hull
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Excuse me

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Thats wild xD

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They're both typically in the 15-20k range

cosmic spindle
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interesting

jagged hull
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With char a bit lower in that range than beam

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Though you definetly see more beams being sold than chars lately

cosmic spindle
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ice rain is pretty much the same as char

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about 35k

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sorry looks like char going down in price a bit its at 30k rn

jagged hull
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Ice Rain varies a lot here

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Think I saw a 20k yesterday, but thats probably because someone quit

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You often see them at 30k+ too

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Not sure how much theyre actually getting bought for though

slow magnet
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Ice rain should be under 30

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I bought my last 5 ice rains at 30k, 28k, 28k, 28k, 25k

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25k was yesterday night

brittle junco
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Ice rain given for free im not buying it no matter what

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Free

slow magnet
brittle junco
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They are dum 😂🤝🏻

light robin
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Hi Masters. I'm not sure what I'm doing bad... but I'm sure something :D. My stats:

Lv55 - 853AP
CD 2281 - CR 3548 - ACC 1230 - PIER 2818

My build:
https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="TraitView"&p="NEOEU010325"&class="ForceMaster"&spec=0&neoSkills="H4sIACH2OmgAA2vaEpyak5pckpoSnJ2Zk5OUn5_tmVI8u3GRZ8pZxudgikkNQglBBB9AqF0Qaj2E-gdRYgbhHYZQlyDUt41go30Ti0tSiyqDSxJLUhu3oQiBXZCZn1fcuMzQ2NTA0rxlqXtRamoewxKnnNJU9mUBpUUFOakMS9zzc1IYAH9eN7KyAAAA"

Virtuous ICE Rain Badget and Virtuos Snoball Badget.

Basic Rotation: RT2 with Macro (50ms)
Full Rotation: Core + RT2 + Z + RT2 (8 secs) + X + RT2 + 1F + RT2 + Z....

Ping on 35-40ms and usually 100% acc on bosses.

But I think I'm doing few damage really...
On dummy is around 23K, in "low purple" bosses (chef, poh) frop to 18-19K, in CS drop to 16K, bsh1 to 14 or 15... impossible to try bsh2 😄

I start with very high numbers (maybe 34 or 35K in dummy) but I loss LOT of damage in time after first cold snap (from 33-35K to 25K) when I use massive snowball and cold snap again, and I'm not sure why 😦

slow magnet
light robin
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And is normal than I do AVG of 25K on dummy (3 minutes) and only 14K on bhs1?

slow magnet
slow magnet
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You also need purple force blast for uptime

jagged hull
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If you want to know if youre doing what you should, you should be looking at your counts

slow magnet
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The blue one doesn't reduce snowball cd enough

slow magnet
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I guess you could if you compared with another player who also was using a blue force blast

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But that's kind of a necessary skill for the build not to really suck.

slow magnet
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You don't need those for any dungeons really.

light robin
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Then I think I got my top... I don't know how improve my stats (f2p), blazing palm is 16K in trade, force blast not exists... 😄

jagged hull
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Frost sheath on a 2nd accessory for poha

slow magnet
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Or BM/BD with hm block

jagged hull
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Still have to use it a couple of times per week

slow magnet
light robin
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I'll try to replace some of them by blue ice rains and check it

jagged hull
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I would receive so many complaints lmao

slow magnet
sleek sphinx
jagged hull
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Honestly

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If theres an achievement for it I should

candid heart
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Does dragon char build use blazing palm?

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If we use blazing palm means we don’t need skill 1 right?

jagged hull
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Yes to the first

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no to the second

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1 is used for burn

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along with c (balefire) and (optionally) later at purple tier z (wildfire)

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Blazing Palm is simply your decent (blue tier) to high (purple) damage lmb with focus recovery

candid heart
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I wonder if I take away fiend fire, the dps will still be higher, if I switch to purple palm

jagged hull
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You dont really take away fiend fire until you can replace it with purple chars typically

candid heart
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But if there is no skill 1, fiend fire is almost useless right?

jagged hull
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Are you talking about dropping 1 once you've acquired purple z?

candid heart
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Yes

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Or purple blazing palm, because blazing palm will detonate the ember

jagged hull
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You can play around it just fine

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For example by using Dual Dragons (5 Embers) or Dragonchar (1 Ember +1 if crit) before 1

candid heart
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Oh got it

jagged hull
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Wildfire isnt really a high priority purchase

wicked citrus
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Lethe and I being the last two Ice FMs on NA

sleek sphinx
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in EU are many ice FMs

slow magnet
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Actually warsong is ice but that's an alt lol

balmy moth
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someone pls take it NA

unkempt horizon
wanton root
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WTB NA Legendary Bracelet and Gloves with CR CD or CD ACC, paying well

jolly oriole
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Can the accessories we got from before the patch be rerolled into the %xp line? I dont see it on the list as an option

frank canopy
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Ye

hasty sundial
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has any Dchar FMs tested how many chars they can cast within a minute with focus regen dummy? im trying to see if my ping is suitable for Dchar FM

knotty torrent
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im tempted to pivot to char, my ping is about 35-45 so it would be pretty good yeah?

brisk trout
dire bobcat
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wtf is this

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i have more diven gems even i bought diven gems now from f10

south sage
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There is a hold on gems now. If I remember right

dire bobcat
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wtf is that

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this fkn game there was a ring i want to buy and someone bought it

south sage
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Starting on May 27th, 2025, all Divine Gems packages will have 80% of the Gems within the packages flagged as (Pending). (Pending) Gems cannot be used on the Marketplace for 72-hours. Players can still utilize (Pending) Gems on the Divine Gem Shop (inside the Hongmoon Store) and purchase the Battle Pass without any limitations.

dire bobcat
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and then i cant buy skills

dire bobcat
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i have to wait 3 days to buy with the gems which i just bought

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from the game

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itself

south sage
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I guess. Not quite sure why they added it. Something to do with fraud.

wanton root
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Lost ark had something similar with the gold brought from market

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3 days hold that is

fleet wolf
dire bobcat
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What is rmt ?

rough crow
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WTB purple ice rain, double crit or cdmg and accuracy glove and bracelet for fm NA

naive veldt
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WTB dragonchar * 2 NA

zenith moss
frank canopy
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WTS Purple ICE Rain EU

lunar comet
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WTS on NA, PM offers

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WTS on NA, PM offers

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WTS FM gloves on NA

outer axle
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WTB trash purple books 1.1k each pm EU

inland cargo
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she's 3 days into a class she never played before facepalm

amber trout
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weak dmg blazing beam fm can tank, big dmg hibiya can't tank? better start taking off more accessories LMFAOO

fleet wolf
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Oh is that you. disgusting.

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Better keep that screenshot in the cloud, in case you lose it to porns.

amber trout
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brother crashing out over 1 suggestion in a dungeon HHAHA

brisk trout
amber trout
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starts stripping his accessories because he couldnt handle the responsibility of keeping boss still 😆

pallid grotto
amber trout
pallid grotto
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which dung is it

brisk trout
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mujin

pallid grotto
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don't blame fm for not holding mujin in place, all our iframes trigger range check and if ppl don't cc we cannot outrun the aoes all the time....

fleet wolf
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Hae, this crazy summo lad baiting shadow into me all game, then sht talks FM tanking in FM channel with 2 week old screenshots. lol

amber trout
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u can walk thru and circle the boss. i seen fms tank and no one is expecting BM level tanking and it will move around a bit. but if u are exceeding the NORMAL amount of boss movement, then ur bad LMAO

amber trout
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dont need to start taking off ur clothes

pallid grotto
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u can just suicide and lose aggro fully

fleet wolf
brisk trout
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WTS my gear! IGN: renless | I have 3-4 dragonchars left

lunar comet
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I don't think you understand how little people want YOU @fleet wolf

pallid grotto
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guys go with ur beef into dms not public channels, ty

dreamy sparrow
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Said the guy who apply on f7 with no friends and only guild accept him is the dead guild Eclipse everyone had quit

manic jackal
amber trout
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HAHAHAH

dreamy sparrow
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I just played the class for 3 days and dude shitting on me for doing bad

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Crazy

fleet wolf
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Hae farming is so much smoother without the lows ngl.

pallid grotto
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hae skillset is stupid to begin with, it's an npc with player skills not an actual boss

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boss iframing itself is fun

lunar comet
dreamy sparrow
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that was my first time doing hae on FM too

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only been tree spamming

median sonnet
dreamy sparrow
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Literally my friend Buddha was leader and he quit and buon quit and I told them to give leader to hibiya so I’m pretty sure it’s 💀

median sonnet
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oh

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its another eclipse

lunar comet
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LMFAOO

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wait alex r u on EU?

median sonnet
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moonwater ye

dreamy sparrow
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oh yeah we NA

lunar comet
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ah

dreamy sparrow
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xD

median sonnet
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nvm den

inland cargo
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from today

median sonnet
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was like wtf why is eclipse catchin strays

fleet wolf
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Waiting on a whale take over

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Or whatever rly

dreamy sparrow
fleet wolf
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also auto target for you as well

inland cargo
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What u talking about? I’m posting that to show the damage Kelly does usually (when you were questioning 78 bb stack compared with your dps trying to inflate your ego as usual)

fleet wolf
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Only seeing the usual drama queens starting dramas as usual, but yea gonna to know

dreamy sparrow
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I’m also on vacation playing on a laggy laptop with almost 100 ping and you shitting on me and the build itself from 1 single run we ever play together

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not the first time you shitting on ppl to boost your own ego though I think the whole server already know, you as famous as Thesis

naive veldt
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wtb dragonchar na

fleet wolf
inland cargo
dreamy sparrow
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Wtb hae bracelet high cd 3 skill slots 3 mantras NA

fleet wolf
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Can agree on the crazy drama queen part

sinful nimbus
magic widget
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WTB Heroic Blazing Palm EU

fervent pond
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Damn i don’t think i’ve seen one good thing ever said about hibiya

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Glad we’re all on the same page

real ferry
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WTB dragonchar *2 NA

cedar tulip
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He complained about aggro but was double ranged tanking cobalt and scarlet

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Boss chased him around everywhere then he died lol

frank canopy
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WTS EU + Force blast

wicked citrus
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Yeah running with Hibiya is more trouble than its worth omg

slow magnet
frank canopy
slow magnet
jagged hull
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Both bns_nervous

frank canopy
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He meant NA

jagged hull
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Sounds too cheap for NA

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I guess they list prices pre-tax

pallid grotto
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pre-tax..
after tax we talkin 50k

slow magnet
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a few days ago

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the 3 before that were 28k

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i usually just buy lower on each one by 1k if i can

dreamy sparrow
dreamy sparrow
brisk trout
dreamy sparrow
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Wtb hae bracelet high cd 3 skill slots 3 mantras NA

lunar comet
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WTS NA PMO

cosmic spindle
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WTB purple blazing beam and wildfire NA

plucky sphinx
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Why are many fm angry with blazing palm players? Even though they can also use that skill even I used to use ifernal blow but in the selection book from BP I chose Blazing palm and my dps increased about 10%-15% if they want they can get this book for free from BP

cosmic spindle
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i mean it screws up fm damage if theyre using fiend fire cuz they cant cast it instantly with shock and bb cant do their max damage if theres no burn

pallid grotto
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Same old story, go meele, press dd then instantly impact
If u use shock fire on bb build kinda your own fault 😅
On dc just focus on balefire and wildfire, gg

azure turret
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does purple beam cast a bit faster than blue? i heard purple dchar cast is faster than blue, wondering if beam is faster too

plucky sphinx
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What if I'm a BB player but use blazing palm and fiend fire will they blame me and get angry?

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I think it's nc soft's mistake to make this skill but why are fm players even angry with fm blazing palm users.

cosmic spindle
naive idol
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I think burn upkeep for bb users is one thing, the other being that fiend fire users can't instantly cast if embers are constantly being destroyed

fervent pond
plucky sphinx
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if they have low ping I think it's easiest to do instant fiend fire along with dual dragon
so DD>1>XX

fervent pond
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bb i believe doesn't change speed

cosmic spindle
wraith oar
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If i get 26 dc gm up from 20 wilk there be some noticable diffrence?

cosmic spindle
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i would have assumed they boost the same amount

azure turret
wraith oar
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Kind hard to decide what next

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Getting 1.2k acc was real pain

pallid grotto
pallid grotto
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On boss it shows one number as they are added together

wraith oar
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Hey tsk, if you ever get time could you check my char in f2 "RealKakashi" and lmk what should i focus next

glacial pine
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WTB EU

pallid grotto
# wraith oar Hey tsk, if you ever get time could you check my char in f2 "RealKakashi" and lm...

just lurked, u go dragonchar build
do you wanna include fiendfire in your build or not? you currently use it

i would suggest you think about if u want shock fire instead of impact (more focus, important on dc) or ditch fiend fire fully
also going wall is prob better, rn u use meteors for focus gain, going for shock fire and replace meteors with wall should give u a decent gain especially with fiend fire

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purple palm would be free dps but takes bit of practice to handle burn

plucky sphinx
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Imagine your dps is 18k in bsh 1 and you are mark range but at the end you get kicked even gate keep because you use blazing palm users wtf 💩

jagged hull
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You got kicked during a run?

plucky sphinx
plucky sphinx
wraith oar
wicked citrus
pallid grotto
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ice fms with purple palm are the final boss popcorn

wicked citrus
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True FUWink

pallid grotto
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this is fine
@slow magnet i did it

jagged hull
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Very shiny number

wraith oar
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Also tsk do you think 20 to 26 gm on dragonchar is worth?

jagged hull
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More is always better

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Until you can to get to what HELP is running I guess.

pallid grotto
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above 36 gm it's between 2.7-2.9% final dmg gain
below it's around 5% ish

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(on your main dps skill only ofc)

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gm72->78 was about 2.8% gain (-dd book)

jagged hull
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Anything becomes your main dps skill if stacked enough 😅

pallid grotto
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try with stun..

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monster in pvp, useless in pve

jagged hull
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Honestly would be cool if the cooldown reduction part worked like live

pallid grotto
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would be cool to have a whole rotation not 3 button macro with a lil extra inputs every 10-20s

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but that exceeds gacha games gameplay sorry

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*gacha with no pity, worse than gachas

jagged hull
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Cant let go of the ice spec temptation

wraith oar
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Guess then bp selection will be dragonchar for +6

wicked citrus
jagged hull
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Dont tell whoever made that reddit post

pallid grotto
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u could even use it in bb build
but the benefit is questionable

jagged hull
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Maybe you could even do 400k lol

wicked citrus
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I wouldnt be surprised if it was viable enough to clear everything but like easily worse than all 3 current builds

jagged hull
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Until the boss moves

wicked citrus
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Does the cast get interrupted if it moves??

jagged hull
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Honestly a full dual dragon build could be kinda funny

wicked citrus
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I never used it so idk how it works 😂

jagged hull
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🤔

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You know I kinda assumed it would just miss

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like hae mujin soul core

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Not sure if thats actually what happens

wicked citrus
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I would assume it does nothing if it goes out the 16m range

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But if it doesnt go off any time the boss moves omg just delete the skill

lunar comet
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WTS NA C/O 10K

jagged hull
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Feel free to do multiple images in one message

lunar comet
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i just split it cuz the belt has an offer lol

jagged hull
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(what does c/o mean?)

lunar comet
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o current offer

slow magnet
wicked citrus
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Yall keep stealing my double crit luck on pieces

coarse furnace
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Someone know what is heatwave expansion

willow cipher
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Need marco for FM ice bns_shy

slow magnet
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Go on yast and switch to kr patch to view info, the damage is really bad

formal nexus
static coral
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Can someone explain to me how do we handle Hae Mujin's Shadow? It feels like it always spins back to the center after the first one

sleek sphinx
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he spin to the farthest person normally make a range this mech

static coral
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so when he starts spinning after the first I go as far away from his destination point as possible while avoiding the group?

jagged hull
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You either stay at 15 meters from the boss

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Or you hug the wall

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When you see the arrow indicating he's moving towards you you move towards another corner

static coral
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okay okay I think I see

jagged hull
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(you can just alternate between the same two corners)

static coral
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I'll try next time, many thanks

jagged hull
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If the clone's path would intersect the (circle around) the boss you should change your position

static coral
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noted

jagged hull
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It's possible someone will f roll or ss away stealing the clone

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If you're at 15 meters

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so that could be a reason to hug the wall

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but that would be their mistake

static coral
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and for how long do I stall it

jagged hull
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The clone phase ends at 50%

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(At which point the clone disappears)

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Depending on your party's dps the clone may stop this mechanic before 50%, when it starts to attack the party (tank?). It's pretty obvious when this happens and you just go dpsing at that point

static coral
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so I still hit it a little because at some point it stops spinning and starts doing regular attacks

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oh so I dont tank that dps part of the clone?

jagged hull
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Idk if the clone would redirect back to you

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I just dps the boss to go through the last few % until 50%

static coral
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okay got it and noted down

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thank you for taking some of your time to explain it to me

wise umbra
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You also need to start in the oposite side for the first time, becuase the shadow spawns behind, soo if u are at the wrong corner the shadow will stop in the midle, he you Will never cross hae mujin

jagged hull
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Opposite of the entrance yeah

south sage
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Wtb purple blazing palm NA

slow magnet
formal nexus
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that seems to be an issue with some of the new skills

slow magnet
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Seems useless though

formal nexus
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other skills work but they won't show on f3

slow magnet
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i have that one too

jagged hull
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Gotta wait on warlock for that one

slow magnet
jagged hull
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Really makes you think

slow magnet
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Glad they changed the party buffs to self only

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otherwise its just gotta have one in every party

frank canopy
frank canopy
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At least to a certain point

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Clearly needs more inputs and dynamism than the 2 others

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But still I also feel like book stacking kinda killed neo

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Making it a game where you want to drop all small dps/QoL spells to stack your main dps skill

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And also enabling this DPS check meta

harsh nymph
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minus Gnanaya, Caera, Monke for one day

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Noce

jagged hull
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Not gnanaya

formal nexus
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not to mention what book stacking does to the market

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having books locked to an accessory was a better system

slow magnet
harsh nymph
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Which timings i must set at 2rt macro on 36-40 ping?

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2 hates me

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on ice rain

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i put 10ms spam, timings of ping like 36-40 spam

knotty torrent
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10 is what I use for beam

harsh nymph
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And always 2 hates me

knotty torrent
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2 hates you? As in it doesn't like to trigger sometimes?

harsh nymph
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Same ice rain builds, same pings, my max hit stronger, but dps lower

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I lost 100+ ice rains

slow magnet
harsh nymph
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I tryed all variations

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And everywhere i fed up:)

knotty torrent
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Idk try 5ms 🙃

slow magnet
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too fast can drop casts

frank canopy
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WTB EU

slow spruce
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WTS, EU pm offer

harsh nymph
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EU WTS 3/3 BIS TOP

fickle glen
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Rate and hp isnt bis lol

rough crow
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WTB purple ice rain NA

dusty tapir
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is this book bug ? when i equip it my Z skill fire stance is lock

knotty torrent
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yeah new skills are bugged

slow magnet
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this is

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not what i was looking for

cosmic spindle
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rip

south sage
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where old bns support when you need them. Need that reroll token

frank canopy
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EU had it

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Now it's NA's turn

lunar comet
brittle junco
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Why people are selling the gears are they quitting?

cosmic spindle
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either quitting or selling to fund their warlock when it launches

brittle junco
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Who cares about the warlock i only wont legendary ice rain
Or soul fighter

jagged hull
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Soul Fighter 🤩

pallid grotto
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SF yes

terse fiber
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Any gamer selling virt mystic badge for dragons? 😄

pallid grotto
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Funny, i sold mine and now it seems every build uses it other than ice while ppl go dc/bbinstead of ice popcorn

viscid vessel
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btw did u guys tested purple red heat instead of blue blazing palm ?

brisk trout
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Purple red heat has 1.0x ap modifier and blue palm 1.3

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  • the bonus focus on crate of palm
viscid vessel
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oh okay

brittle junco
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Who is selling frost palm ? Purple

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Sell it to me 5k or i go for the new legendary weapon skin im about to get it so please save me and sell that book

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I don’t wanna waste gems for skins but i can’t

viscid vessel
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WTB EU Virt. Mistic badge dual dragons dm

jagged hull
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Does the effect apply over your whole screen

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I think I saw something like that on someones stream

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And ngl, hate it lol

brittle junco
pallid grotto
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7th is guaranteed (transmute)
Rng before

fervent pond
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It applies after accepting quests and after loading screen

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The effect

harsh nymph
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Just open chest at cc, get 100g, buy 2 chests, got leg

brittle junco
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Guys what is this book ? Looks weird

hushed latch
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WTB Purple blazing palm , wild fire , frost palm NA

ocean forge
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Balefire but freeze instead of burn

wraith oar
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wtb shockfire eu

slow magnet
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it uh

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makes a different sound effect on usage

jagged hull
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Is it a positive change lol?

slow magnet
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or dps

jagged hull
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I mean to the sound LOL

slow magnet
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just makes a lazer sound

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uh

slow magnet
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you can hear it ehre

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here

jagged hull
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Ill be honest I have no reference to the original one lol

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They should add small money icons

frozen gulch
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WTB Heroic frost palm in NA for 5000 gem, will buy after maintenance

slow magnet
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same as shock fire

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it doesnt make a sound either

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well the last time i used shockfire was 36 patch

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and it had no sound back then at least

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i couldnt even tell if i had used it because it had no sound

jagged hull
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A nice confirmation sound if it procced Burn would be nice lol

brittle junco
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Did u try to sell it ?

jagged hull
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You just keep it to reroll later

brittle junco
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If you win legendary ice rain u could ask for 1m gem and ppl will buy it

terse fiber
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I'd love to have some icon on boss to show it has burn status. Now its only stacks

jagged hull
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(rerolling does use legendary fragments, and a lot of gold)

brittle junco
brittle junco
jagged hull
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Why would you sell the lowest roll legendary book

brittle junco
#

Who is switching to steam do we stay or what ?

jagged hull
#

Its one new server

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With a separate market

brittle junco
jagged hull
#

Awkwardly

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Existing players dont get the catch up event on the new server

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(Like if you wanted to make your 2nd/3rd character on there)

brittle junco
#

New account

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Or we stay they will mix the servers anyway later on

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Just link your account to steam and delete purple xD

brittle junco
# slow magnet

It reminds me on jin in the wild rift game xD looks and sounds nice but good luck next time

lilac mulch
#

dragon char build or ice build with purple skills

fleet wolf
#

PvE DC > Ice Rain
PvP Ice Rain > DC
Purp DC more expensive

slow magnet
#

And go pew pew

slow magnet
lilac mulch
#

do you need purple blazing palm for DC to be good

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can anyone tell me the optimal rotation for DC

median sonnet
#

ima be honest, probably not XDD

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but you can probably learn some decent rotations from ppl

formal nexus
slow magnet
cosmic spindle
#

WTB purple blazing beam and wildfire NA after maint

tawny siren
#

this skill looks pretty interesting

pallid grotto
#

Wall does same and actually better (does dmg + cdmg buff)

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This one should be for whole party tho, any fm meele gamers?

tawny siren
#

you could also use it after the wall buff runs out for higher uptime i guess

ocean forge
#

or the book slot

tawny siren
#

for your individual dps no but it if turns out to be a party wide buff it could be

jagged hull
#

It doesnt have the party members line though

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So im skeptical

slow magnet
slow magnet
slow magnet
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And one that is not moving as well.

pallid grotto
#

But cd is 30s and this one is 1min

slow magnet
#

But the UI flipping so rapidly just turns it into a blank square

#

I can't see the cooldown for it unless I stop casting

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Tried it for a few days

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Took it off again

pallid grotto
#

Black magic could fix that but aside of it, using wall with ice rain not worth if u have a purple in that slot, if u still have blue ice rain it is worth using wall over another ice rain

slow magnet
#

Though it's questionable whether 10% crit damage is even worth it at all

#

Its less than half of the mantra buff

pallid grotto
#

I used wall for about 2 weeks with ice rain and lastly took it off aswell, the gcd lock of 1 and x just aint worth it aside of annoying to cast & another purple ice rain (2.7% final dmg gain ish) outscaled the 10% cdmg on MY gear (3800 cdmg base)

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Tl;dr ditched wall

jagged hull
#

I guess thats not entirely fair

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Because wall uptime

slow magnet
#

The wall uptime is probably aeound the same

jagged hull
#

Wall should be close to 50%

#

well

#

It doesnt get the full 10% immediately

slow magnet
#

You won't interrupt ice rain casting to cast a blazing wall during boost

jagged hull
#

Yeah

slow magnet
#

So it'll probably end up being every 36 seconds used

jagged hull
#

I'll get it eventually for char if I can find a good price

slow magnet
#

The duration of the buff is 10, takes 5 seconds to stack

jagged hull
#

Refreshes every time it stacks

slow magnet
#

Yeah

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But won't have full value yet

jagged hull
#

Oh if only FM had some form of crit buff

slow magnet
#

I have 6.4% crit in mantra proc and 22.8% crit damage proc

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And then 1x in focus mantra

slow magnet
jagged hull
#

Feels soulfighter

slow magnet
jagged hull
#

30% crit buff 😎

slow magnet
#

At least FM puts out probably the most hits per second

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So you gain hella damage value from drain

jagged hull
#

I noticed on my kfm alt that 1 skill triggers drain like 5 times

slow magnet
#

They hit much slower overall though

jagged hull
#

Yeah

slow magnet
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Someone who had ingame meter enabled told me I had 3k dps over the other meter on tree boss, which is from drain and onrush damage that the other meter can't see

jagged hull
#

Should be easy enough to calculate an average

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Just count the life drain procs /s

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I think Onrush is 5% chance to proc?

frank canopy
slow magnet
slow magnet
jagged hull
#

big dps

slow magnet
jagged hull
#

I claim all the bleed stacks for running purple dual dragons

slow magnet
#

If someone else refreshes it though wouldn't it be theirs

jagged hull
#

Could be kinda big

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Thats like

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rough calculation

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3000 damage per second on a 20mil hp boss

#
  • stopping healing
slow magnet
#

From what I understand the bleed or other related debuffs don't belong to a specific player

jagged hull
#

I claim that part too

slow magnet
jagged hull
#

Unfortunately the game does not agree with my claim

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Need to convince the developers

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Like that sum that got damage * 4

#

You could technically track who applies Bleed when

slow magnet
jagged hull
#

I mean

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Without a meter your (known) dps is 0

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Summoners have this problem with their cat bns_bursting

wraith oar
pallid grotto
#

2% 5 stacks

brittle junco
#

Guys sell me your purple books and go switch the server, i stay here

terse fiber
#

Ok 50k for purple palm and i'll sell to you

jagged hull
#

Somehow this will convince someone to relist the 20k one for more

brittle junco
jagged hull
#

Send me one too

gloomy summit
#

ICE RAIN

brittle junco
#

I have one before and sell it for 4.4k

jagged hull
#

All skills except main skill and lmb are kinda small

brittle junco
#

So they must be cheap

#

Thank you

jagged hull
#

Need more drops to make them cheap(er) 😔

#

A bunch of small upgrades add up though

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You cant really get many big upgrades on bns typically

wicked citrus
#

Steam is gonna suck for people that swipe small amounts bc the 3 day hold on marketplace

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FUWApray i pray for them

jagged hull
#

Rip impulse small spending

brittle junco
#

The game is so random how is people list ice sheet for 4k i did buy it and sell it 1.9k years ago

#

I will leave f5 for long long time i will get all the books i need from the pass better and save for outfits instead

slow magnet
#

then sell gold certificates for gems

jagged hull
#

I think when people say cosmetics are the true endgame

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This is not what they had in mind

frank canopy
lyric stump
#

price check?

frozen gulch
#

WTB Heroic Dragonchar 25k gem and Heroic Frost Palm 5k gem

lyric stump
frozen gulch
wraith oar
#

anyone tested soulburn shroud?

#

its solo buff right not party

brittle junco
#

Who cares about the party do your own dmg btw in live in was using the clock 😂 they are not getting anything from me

viscid vessel
#

WTB purple blazing palm and wildfire EU

odd breach
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WTB Blazing Palm - NA

jagged hull
#

For this price the skill should give actual soulburn xD

slow magnet
pallid grotto
#

Done math on it, in 6man dung will be worth (if ppl cuddle meele), 4man only if ur not tanking and rest also plays meele..

uncut wigeon
#

Isn’t it solo buff

pallid grotto
#

Not confirmed

uncut wigeon
#

i asked a KR player and he said its solo

pallid grotto
#

If solo then never worth :)

#

Why would it have a range if solo

uncut wigeon
#

🤷‍♂️

pallid grotto
#

Another purple in that slot will always do better, 10% is a joke
Give us 80% like kfm or sin

jagged hull
#

Buff deadlock

uncut wigeon
#

there’s a chance he misunderstood but I asked an FM player on his stream and he said it doesn’t work for others

jagged hull
#

Obviously longer duration because long cooldown

glad tree
#

Wait so soulbourn effect isnt for party?

#

Why bruh? Isnt the focus recovery and hp recovery ones for party too?

brittle junco
#

Moonwater is dead, no one sell or buy the books

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I didn’t sell anything today xD

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The players all going for the new server but why ? To start all over

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What a waste of time

tame mauve
#

chat how much is frost palm and blazing palm purp worth in eu ?

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wanna know whats bait price and whats real

sleek sphinx
#

blazing palm 20k and frost 8k

brittle junco
#

Frost palm 4k blazing palm 10k

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ddl u caping

sleek sphinx
#

when you see blazing palm 10k?

brittle junco
#

All the time i got mine with 9k

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I sell my frost palm for 4.4

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And buy it 4k

sleek sphinx
#

lol yetserday was blazing palm 25k

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i need it for 10 buy it instant

tame mauve
#

no way a non stackable skill should be worth 20k

jagged hull
#

25k is just a random person hoping to bait a new/reroll whale

brittle junco
#

Yesterday mean nothing its just a delusional person trying to achieve his dreams

jagged hull
#

10k was a pretty normal price for it yeah

brittle junco
#

The price eu for frost palm is 4-5k
For blazing 9-11k

tame mauve
#

dragon char is lower price than that

jagged hull
#

Could be a bit higher depending on demand and supply rn

tame mauve
#

a STACKABLE skill

brittle junco
#

Depends on how delusional the seller is

jagged hull
#

From what Ive heard NA had cheaper Beam than Palm

#

But yeah I wouldnt expect Char to be worth less than Palm on EU

brittle junco
#

Char not worth less who did say that ?

jagged hull
#

wouldnt

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not would

brittle junco
#

Oh sorry i lose focus need to sleep 💤

jagged hull
#

Losing focus does sound like Char

tame mauve
#

i meant char has been like around 17k or something

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if palm 20k it shouldnt be logical

brittle junco
#

Palm not 20k max is 11k just don’t buy it

#

Focus on the pass

sleek sphinx
#

yes

#

to expensive

brittle junco
#

And the weapon flashy skins

sleek sphinx
#

i need palm

brittle junco
#

Wait tell the seller lose to much gold listing it for 20k he will sell it back for 10k

tame mauve
#

yea those sellers love to waste their gold

#

btw on my alt im now playing icerain but thinking bout getting char on purple skill , is it worth to swap like that ?

jagged hull
#

Depends what you prefer

#

Direct comparisons are very rare

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Char is pretty focus heavy so may be tricky on an alt with lower crit

tame mauve
#

are there mandatory skills on char ?

#

other than purp char

brittle junco
#

Play what u enjoy for me i never change blue ice rain even for purple char or beem

tame mauve
#

i mean i dont know waht i enjoy if i dont try it

jagged hull
#

lmb, rmb, ice z, 1, fire x

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well fire x isnt mandatory

#

But its a pretty high source of damage if youre not stacking purple chars in its place

#

lmb rmb z all builds share

brittle junco
jagged hull
#

and for 1 you can just grab a green book

#

Blue char feels significantly different than purple

brittle junco
#

I win 3 bound char and salvage all of them not my style
Feels heavy slow and boring

jagged hull
#

Bound blue or purple?

brittle junco
#

2 blue 1 purple ask reas if u don’t believe me

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And my friend reas win purple ice rain he want char that why he quit

jagged hull
#

💀

brittle junco
#

I did quit as well for 3 days and back and solvage it

#

XD

jagged hull
#

lol

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Mine have been pretty meh

#

Well

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I dont mind purple Coldsnap

#

Its decent for the 2-4 bg matches I do weekly

#

Useful in some rare pve situations

brittle junco
#

And mobs

#

Kit

#

Its nice to have

tame mauve
brittle junco
#

Yes

jagged hull
#

Better than meteor

tame mauve
#

and does it require a mystic badge ?

brittle junco
#

For me better to win useless purple book lets say stun than win a good book i don’t use
It’s psychological thing

jagged hull
#

no

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You can use all three mystic badges with it

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Dual dragons use is most common rn

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Then wall/meteor

slow magnet
jagged hull
#

I think the context was still bound books

slow magnet
carmine ermine
#

Selling Heatwave Expansion (NA) skill has been updated

slow magnet
cosmic spindle
#

LOL

fleet wolf
hasty sundial
#

WTB purple force blast NA, PMO

candid tinsel
#

WTS Purple Wildfire NA pmo

frozen gulch
#

WTB Purple Dragonchar for 30k

frozen gulch
#

WTS these books

#

NA server

west patio
#

WTB purple dragonchar / blazing palm
EU cinderlands server

frank canopy
#

WTS EU

frozen gulch
#

WTS NA server

jagged hull
#

Wild how cheap they are on NA

harsh nymph
#

EU WTS
Another Yennefer gear
OFFERS PM

brittle junco
harsh nymph
#

ZZZ 2.0 tomorrow yey

jagged hull
#

Sleep 2.0 nam_pleased

rare nest
#

hey, i have purple dragonchar and meteor shower, rest is blue, what should i pick from the bp box

valid locust
#

WTB NA

noble aurora
#

quick question - if im going along the blazing beam path, what happens if i buy porple blazing palm? will i still be able to instant cast my fiend fire since the embers are being automatically detonated? might be a dumb question but i wanna wait to buy it till i know 😭

#

or if any banger blazing beam players have a profile i can look at lmk proud

cosmic spindle
#

yes you can with dual dragon into shock

#

or dragoblaze into shock

candid tinsel
#

WTS Purple Blazing Wall NA

west patio
#

WTB purple dragonchar EU cinderlands.

lyric stump
noble bison
#

i wont to ask guys i can deal more 19k+ my lvl 53 i wont to know what proplem

jagged hull
#

We dont know how you play

#

But that certainly sounds low

#

You can go and dps a training dummy for three minutes

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Then we can see if your counts suggest things are wrong

noble bison
#

ok

noble bison
#

in bsh1 bs2 most dmg i deal 18k " 20k some times eved

idle wolf
#

you deal 20k in bsh but 19k in pigsty? or was that dps in the screenshot unrelated to the post? :D

noble bison
#

in pigsty in bsh 17k+

idle wolf
frank canopy
#

WTS EU

jagged hull
#

Are you not running out of focus with this?

noble bison
#

what i should focs at i dont know ?

#

no at it all

jagged hull
#

You're not running Wildfire (purple) or Impact or Shockfire

#

So you miss burn uptime

noble bison
#

oh

jagged hull
#

Which isnt that big of a deal damage wise tbf

noble bison
#

i will test wildfire

jagged hull
#

If you dont run out of focus

frank canopy
noble bison
#

macro

frank canopy
#

Ur ping ?

noble bison
#

i will send you video 1 mon

frank canopy
#

Kay

noble bison
#

min""

#

90-110

#

ms

#

with exitlag

frank canopy
#

Prob this ngl

#

I would play beam with that ping*

#

send me a video can maybe help you

jagged hull
#

If you want a reference, low ping though.

#

Just a basic lmb rmb 2 macro

noble bison
jagged hull
#

You have significantly more frost palm hits

#

Which may or may not mean anything

#

I'm getting 20% more dragonchars

#

and could definetly get even more

#

You are macroing a lot of keys

#

a lot a lot

noble bison
#

😦

jagged hull
#

also

#

Blazing Wall

#

has to be cast within 5 meters of the enemy

noble bison
#

okkkky

jagged hull
#

Or this happens

noble bison
#

im not benefiting frome it

jagged hull
#

Yep it does literally nothing

#

You should start with just macroing lmb rmb 2

noble bison
#

oky

jagged hull
#

Yep thats a lot of keys

noble bison
#

what you suggest

jagged hull
#

Just 2 r t

noble bison
#

just that

jagged hull
#

(not necessarily in that exact order)

noble bison
#

f ?

jagged hull
#

Not sure if the order actually matters

#

tbh

#

You use dual dragons for two things

#

Either focus or bleed uptime

noble bison
#

2 ? the dragon

jagged hull
#

Dual dragons is f

noble bison
#

yah

jagged hull
#

I would just use it when youre low on focus

#

Which would generally be during Balefire's downtime

noble bison
#

ok

jagged hull
#

You'll just have to play around with the macro delay

#

Feels different on different pings

frank canopy
#

get shockfire

#

you need to manage your focus

#

not just spam every abilty

#

ngl

jagged hull
#

At least youre not macroing fiend fire

uncut wigeon
#

what the

jagged hull
#

Just people putting them up for crazy prices

#

Wasting their gold

noble bison
#

ok now i but the macro left right and 2 the dragon now its very fast ok what the skill i will removed what skil i buy it now

jagged hull
#

You use it instead of a blue dragonchar

#

Idk if you bought anything yet

#

But green book shock fire is just fine for testing

harsh nymph
quasi karma
#

semoene guide force master fire blaziin beam o laser :v

wraith tundra
# noble bison

Remove everything from your macro and only use 2r(you need purple blazing palm) RMB is not a skill that you animation cancel with as a dragonchar fm. We only use it to csnap or tab freeze in emergencies

#

This is how the numbers should look like roughly

quasi karma
#

wtf

#

guide blazing beam not is good?

jagged hull
#

Beam is good

#

Its the best build for the early game

quasi karma
#

😮

#

late game?

jagged hull
#

All are viable

#

But beam is probably the weakest of the three

#

Its also the simplest and the most ping friendly though

wraith tundra
#

Beam is good if you're new to fm with relatively high ping

#

Ice needs very low ping

jagged hull
wraith tundra
#

Char works with higher ping but needs a lot of dynamic actions when it comes to focus management

wraith tundra
jagged hull
#

Do you actually manually play like that 🤔

wraith tundra
#

Yeah

jagged hull
#

Respect

#

May be a little tricky if youre not the only FM xD

wraith tundra
#

You can macro 2r

#

and it will always cast 22r

#

but never macro anything else

#

rmb should be a manual cast as I said before

#

for either csnap or dragonfrost procs

#

and try to always dump your focus before using a focus recovery skill so you dont waste anything

#

Most macros will waste dragonfrost/dualdragons/balefire

#

also you never want to use 2 skills that have 1000ms gcd back to back

#

that loses you the char boost

terse fiber
#

Hmm thats interesting 😄 Ill test 2 min parse with only 2r against 2rt

#

Ill cry if that will make a big difference

wraith tundra
#

It should result in more chars and that will make a difference

#

The only time i used 2rt was when balefire used to be the only source of burn

#

with wildfire now its no longer an issue

terse fiber
#

Btw. Didnt know there is a limit to number of locked skills xD

#

Apparently max is 10

#

nah too much hassle tbh xD

tawny siren
jagged hull
#

The parse wasnt really meant for dps specifically

#

For example im not using soul core or fiend fire

#

(because the other person didnt)

jagged hull
#

I know from live some classes you cant really keep up with the level of "spamming" you need to do to keep counts high enough

#

And to be honest, manual play sounds just a little too annoying with a class like fm

#

Too much clicking

#

Something like fire kfm works quite well manually

wraith tundra
#

Char has a few issues that can be solved when played manually

#

most important ones are managing focus and using iframes

jagged hull
#

Macro doesnt really hinder our dashes

wraith tundra
jagged hull
#

Depends on ping and fps I guess

harsh nymph
#

For focus regen?

wraith tundra
#

the focus recovery is an added bonus

jagged hull
#

Really nice focus recovery, better than meteor shower (I dont own wall atm)

wraith tundra
#

CS has 300ms gcd so i dont lose much when i cast it

wraith tundra
harsh nymph
wraith tundra
#

DD

#

To be fair all badges suck for dragonchar

jagged hull
wraith tundra
#

fiend fire is not good once you have high gm on char since it costs multiple gcds to cast

uncut wigeon
#

WTS NA

jagged hull
#

Fiend Fire is such an annoying skill to active some times

#

Unfortunately it still represents a decent chunk of damage for me

wraith tundra
jagged hull
#

Having 5 bleed with dual dragons is decent

wraith tundra
#

if you're still using fiend fire its better to go with dd badge becuase u lose a lot of focus to do that

wraith tundra
#

moonwater is fine since we rarely even proc it

uncut wigeon
wraith tundra
harsh nymph
#

Or i misunderstanding?

harsh nymph
wraith tundra
#

If you do it manually that is completely fine. In macros though due to the short gcd on rmb it will make it so that every char will have an rmb after it, and since char's animation cannot be canceled that will lose you a few chars

#

It should be a dps gain just make sure you cast it after every second char with lmb or else you'll clip your rotation

wraith tundra
#

Grats

quasi karma
#

what mystic badged is good to force master bleazin beam

brittle junco
harsh nymph
#

15k you u want it now:) I dont sell books. Only gear

#

When i sold the gear, i will sell books

#

Btw,. both ice rains bound

brittle junco
#

Then after you sell the gear we will see, only have 6k i got blazing palm from u 10k how u want to sell me frost with 15k you mean

#

🔪

jagged hull
brittle junco
jagged hull
#

😎

brittle junco
#

😎

#

I never play this baloga again

#

😂😂

#

Gold for every 🫣

jagged hull
rough crow
#

WTB Purple ice rain NA

brittle junco
#

I will never shut up for a week at least 😂

fervent pond
#

should fight him and if u lose it'll be even funnier

brittle junco
#

No i only fight with golds now he is to low for this 😬😬😬😬

#

I don’t wanna snap some bronze u know bns_bursting

idle wolf
#

should i buy it? it has accuracy piercing

radiant dagger
#

yes

idle wolf
#

nevermind i disconnected

harsh nymph
brittle junco
quasi karma
#

200.000 gems 😮

#

1 week in production in bakery me

median night
#

ice or bleazing beam?

prisma plover
#

it depends

#

blazing beam is cheap and effective but you will meet a dps wall quickly

median night
#

i can have 2 purple ice or one blazing beam

prisma plover
#

dragonchar/ice requires more dg to be worthly but overall its better

#

stay on ice

#

much better in this way

jagged hull
prisma plover
#

yes i know how does it look

#

Im just doing other things in background

jagged hull
#

Unless you wanted to

prisma plover
#

if you have high ping for example 200+ ms blazing beam is better

jagged hull
#

I think for ice high ping is considered 20+ xD

prisma plover
median night
#

my ping is 40-60

jagged hull
#

Kinda rare to actually find comparisons across different pings

#

Would imagine youre still fine at that ping

harsh nymph
pearl cloak
#

Regarding Ice Rain FM

Is this class heavily affected by ping (like Lightning BD) or will it perform fine with around 75 ping? Any knowers

harsh nymph
pearl cloak
harsh nymph
#

Nah

#

With 38 ping i had 6-9k less dps against FM with weaker then me but with 10 ping

dreamy sparrow
#

Beam on whether 30ms or 70ms doesn’t make a difference in dps, you should play beam on high ping

#

🤝🏻

pearl cloak
dreamy sparrow
#

Or u can play like that one guy , stacking wicked twin dragons

pearl cloak
#

my idol

wise umbra
#

Actually even beam lose dps in high ping, because you lose a lot of palm hits in high ping, u dont lose beam hits, soo when u have less beam stacks it will be worse

dreamy sparrow
harsh nymph
#

So. play sunflower sum, on this doesnt matter u have 5 ping or 205

pearl cloak
#

ya i think id rather rope than play sum

dreamy sparrow
pearl cloak
#

wtb west coast server

dreamy sparrow
#

bring back server in texas

pearl cloak
#

honestly ill take texas even at least ill be like 40-50

dreamy sparrow
pearl cloak
#

rip me haru steven

#

oh and sulli too

dreamy sparrow
pearl cloak
#

He told me hes just on hiatus?

#

did he actually just quit?

dreamy sparrow
#

idk I hope he come back

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@pseudo island COME BACK GRANDPA

pearl cloak
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LMFAO no way you tagged him in the FM discord 💀

dreamy sparrow
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Haru ping and puncture build was unplayable

dreamy sparrow
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but I don’t get how steven get like 60ish ping with exitlag while I get 70-80 ping with exitlag even though we on same ip

naive veldt
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wtb dragonchar na

carmine ermine
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Selling Purple Books NA: Dual Dragons, Blazing Wall, Deadlock, Heatwave Expansion

south sage
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wtb blazing palm na

deft finch
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WTB Virtous Mystic Badge Reduce dual dragon 9s Bambo Village

carmine ermine
frozen gulch
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Your grandskill master is 42, min is 26

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And I did like 23k in BSH Command

zealous coyote
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does anyone have a dchar example macro?

gusty bear
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yea heres my macro 2222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222

rough crow
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WTB Cobalt hair moonwater plains eu

bitter eagle
brittle junco
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Sell before i get the weapon skin instead 😬🔪

median night
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wtb blue massive snowball EU

fading canyon
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Can someone tell a bit about the new fm skillz please Cat_Love Do we want shrouded soulburn on our bubble ?

jagged hull
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It has double the cooldown of Blazing Wall for a slightly weaker effect and it deals no damage

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I dont think it has been confirmed, but it seems to not buff party members either.