#Force Master
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I played ice for 2-3 weeks and it was "more" dps
But one mistake in rota and u cry and lose a lot
Meanwhile bb all u need is burn and spam gg
Not promoting either
Just play what u like
Max dps comes from dc, if u wanna bother with focus handling manually all the time, the higher gear the easier cause rng focus recovery
As for leg tier, ice will be superior, purple tier dc
yea i dont see ever gettin leg until they give us a selector for it LOL
Don't need to copy me, just play whichever u like
Interestingly, this is not the case on eu.
That said, both fire builds are significantly cheaper than ice
interesting
With char a bit lower in that range than beam
Though you definetly see more beams being sold than chars lately
ice rain is pretty much the same as char
about 35k
sorry looks like char going down in price a bit its at 30k rn
Ice Rain varies a lot here
Think I saw a 20k yesterday, but thats probably because someone quit
You often see them at 30k+ too
Not sure how much theyre actually getting bought for though
Not on NA
Ice rain should be under 30
I bought my last 5 ice rains at 30k, 28k, 28k, 28k, 25k
25k was yesterday night
The only people buying them are the people who are stacking them and the per book increase isn't huge from each 4 GM points gained, so they're willing to pay less for them.
They are dum 😂🤝🏻
Hi Masters. I'm not sure what I'm doing bad... but I'm sure something :D. My stats:
Lv55 - 853AP
CD 2281 - CR 3548 - ACC 1230 - PIER 2818
Virtuous ICE Rain Badget and Virtuos Snoball Badget.
Basic Rotation: RT2 with Macro (50ms)
Full Rotation: Core + RT2 + Z + RT2 (8 secs) + X + RT2 + 1F + RT2 + Z....
Ping on 35-40ms and usually 100% acc on bosses.
But I think I'm doing few damage really...
On dummy is around 23K, in "low purple" bosses (chef, poh) frop to 18-19K, in CS drop to 16K, bsh1 to 14 or 15... impossible to try bsh2 😄
I start with very high numbers (maybe 34 or 35K in dummy) but I loss LOT of damage in time after first cold snap (from 33-35K to 25K) when I use massive snowball and cold snap again, and I'm not sure why 😦
The part of the rotation where you use snowball and coldsnap is very low damage so your average damage over the parse duration is going to decrease during that part of the rotation
And is normal than I do AVG of 25K on dummy (3 minutes) and only 14K on bhs1?
The dummy is a lower level so you crit more, and has no defense so you deal more damage than you would on higher level dungeons
Purple blazing palm will add a few thousand dps as well.
You also need purple force blast for uptime
If you want to know if youre doing what you should, you should be looking at your counts
The blue one doesn't reduce snowball cd enough
Can't compare counts because he has blue force blast, his counts will be lower than completed builds with purple force blast because of loss of coldsnap uptime
I guess you could if you compared with another player who also was using a blue force blast
But that's kind of a necessary skill for the build not to really suck.
Also looking at the build you want to replace divine veil, frost sheath, ice beam stun and skyburn with blue ice rain books
You don't need those for any dungeons really.
Then I think I got my top... I don't know how improve my stats (f2p), blazing palm is 16K in trade, force blast not exists... 😄
Frost sheath on a 2nd accessory for poha
Don't need it for that if there's a summoner or sin in the party with party dandilion
Or BM/BD with hm block
Still have to use it a couple of times per week
I do poh every day for daily haven't had to use sheath for months
I'll try to replace some of them by blue ice rains and check it
I would receive so many complaints lmao
Tell them to pull the levers then and complete the intended dungeon mechanic instead of relying on someone to cheese it
in the next days come force blast in market
Does dragon char build use blazing palm?
If we use blazing palm means we don’t need skill 1 right?
Yes to the first
no to the second
1 is used for burn
along with c (balefire) and (optionally) later at purple tier z (wildfire)
Blazing Palm is simply your decent (blue tier) to high (purple) damage lmb with focus recovery
I wonder if I take away fiend fire, the dps will still be higher, if I switch to purple palm
You dont really take away fiend fire until you can replace it with purple chars typically
But if there is no skill 1, fiend fire is almost useless right?
Are you talking about dropping 1 once you've acquired purple z?
You can play around it just fine
For example by using Dual Dragons (5 Embers) or Dragonchar (1 Ember +1 if crit) before 1
Oh got it
Wildfire isnt really a high priority purchase
in EU are many ice FMs
I will be the last
Actually warsong is ice but that's an alt lol
someone pls take it NA
Hardly the Last. You still have me on Viridian
WTB NA Legendary Bracelet and Gloves with CR CD or CD ACC, paying well
Can the accessories we got from before the patch be rerolled into the %xp line? I dont see it on the list as an option
Ye
has any Dchar FMs tested how many chars they can cast within a minute with focus regen dummy? im trying to see if my ping is suitable for Dchar FM
im tempted to pivot to char, my ping is about 35-45 so it would be pretty good yeah?
There is a hold on gems now. If I remember right
Starting on May 27th, 2025, all Divine Gems packages will have 80% of the Gems within the packages flagged as (Pending). (Pending) Gems cannot be used on the Marketplace for 72-hours. Players can still utilize (Pending) Gems on the Divine Gem Shop (inside the Hongmoon Store) and purchase the Battle Pass without any limitations.
and then i cant buy skills
55555555555555555555555555555555
i have to wait 3 days to buy with the gems which i just bought
from the game
itself
I guess. Not quite sure why they added it. Something to do with fraud.
Lost ark had something similar with the gold brought from market
3 days hold that is
They are forcing you to RMT
What is rmt ?
WTB purple ice rain, double crit or cdmg and accuracy glove and bracelet for fm NA
WTB dragonchar * 2 NA
An extremely wild guess: real money trading?
WTS Purple ICE Rain EU
WTB trash purple books 1.1k each pm EU
she's 3 days into a class she never played before 
weak dmg blazing beam fm can tank, big dmg hibiya can't tank? better start taking off more accessories LMFAOO
ye been tanking for 5 weeks.
Blocked Summo lad being bitchy about me tanking, gotta make them happy.
Oh is that you. disgusting.
Better keep that screenshot in the cloud, in case you lose it to porns.

brother crashing out over 1 suggestion in a dungeon 
starts stripping his accessories because he couldnt handle the responsibility of keeping boss still 😆

which dung is it
mujin
don't blame fm for not holding mujin in place, all our iframes trigger range check and if ppl don't cc we cannot outrun the aoes all the time....
Hae, this crazy summo lad baiting shadow into me all game, then sht talks FM tanking in FM channel with 2 week old screenshots. lol
u can walk thru and circle the boss. i seen fms tank and no one is expecting BM level tanking and it will move around a bit. but if u are exceeding the NORMAL amount of boss movement, then ur bad LMAO
u know u can drop aggro by getting drop kicked right
dont need to start taking off ur clothes

Meh, no one want you in Hae kek
WTS my gear! IGN: renless | I have 3-4 dragonchars left
I don't think you understand how little people want YOU @fleet wolf
Don't worry
guys go with ur beef into dms not public channels, ty
Said the guy who apply on f7 with no friends and only guild accept him is the dead guild Eclipse everyone had quit


Hae farming is so much smoother without the lows ngl.
hae skillset is stupid to begin with, it's an npc with player skills not an actual boss
boss iframing itself is fun
yuh smoother without you in the party

hello? eclipse is one of the only active guilds left

Literally my friend Buddha was leader and he quit and buon quit and I told them to give leader to hibiya so I’m pretty sure it’s 💀
oh yeah we NA
ah
xD
nvm den
from today
was like wtf why is eclipse catchin strays
xD
With Beam you don't even need adjust macro delays, jus RT2 macro and hold
also auto target for you as well
What u talking about? I’m posting that to show the damage Kelly does usually (when you were questioning 78 bb stack compared with your dps trying to inflate your ego as usual)
Only seeing the usual drama queens starting dramas as usual, but yea gonna to know
I’m also on vacation playing on a laggy laptop with almost 100 ping and you shitting on me and the build itself from 1 single run we ever play together
not the first time you shitting on ppl to boost your own ego though I think the whole server already know, you as famous as Thesis

wtb dragonchar na
If I was shitting on u, your ign would've been on that screenshot
You’re literally the one who posted that here first
that’s crazy
Wtb hae bracelet high cd 3 skill slots 3 mantras NA
Can agree on the crazy drama queen part
Check
WTB Heroic Blazing Palm EU
Damn i don’t think i’ve seen one good thing ever said about hibiya
Glad we’re all on the same page
WTB dragonchar *2 NA
I had a run with him yesterday
He complained about aggro but was double ranged tanking cobalt and scarlet
Boss chased him around everywhere then he died lol
WTS EU + Force blast
Yeah running with Hibiya is more trouble than its worth omg
EU/NA ?
yes
Both 
I bought the last one i got at 25k
a few days ago
the 3 before that were 28k
i usually just buy lower on each one by 1k if i can
Lethe Lethe
You give me 24k I buy one ice rain for you and I list it for 22k for you to buy, 2k discount
huh wait a minute
Wtb hae bracelet high cd 3 skill slots 3 mantras NA
WTS NA PMO
WTB purple blazing beam and wildfire NA
Why are many fm angry with blazing palm players? Even though they can also use that skill even I used to use ifernal blow but in the selection book from BP I chose Blazing palm and my dps increased about 10%-15% if they want they can get this book for free from BP
i mean it screws up fm damage if theyre using fiend fire cuz they cant cast it instantly with shock and bb cant do their max damage if theres no burn
Same old story, go meele, press dd then instantly impact
If u use shock fire on bb build kinda your own fault 😅
On dc just focus on balefire and wildfire, gg
does purple beam cast a bit faster than blue? i heard purple dchar cast is faster than blue, wondering if beam is faster too
What if I'm a BB player but use blazing palm and fiend fire will they blame me and get angry?
I think it's nc soft's mistake to make this skill but why are fm players even angry with fm blazing palm users.
dc is the same speed with blue and purple
I think burn upkeep for bb users is one thing, the other being that fiend fire users can't instantly cast if embers are constantly being destroyed
this is wrong
if they have low ping I think it's easiest to do instant fiend fire along with dual dragon
so DD>1>XX
purple dc is faster than blue
bb i believe doesn't change speed
does it? just says boosts on use
If i get 26 dc gm up from 20 wilk there be some noticable diffrence?
i would have assumed they boost the same amount
ahh i see, ty for answer
Fake news
Same speed, pretty much 1/s ratio
It shows more counts due to it being multiple hits per cast
On boss it shows one number as they are added together
Hey tsk, if you ever get time could you check my char in f2 "RealKakashi" and lmk what should i focus next
WTB EU
just lurked, u go dragonchar build
do you wanna include fiendfire in your build or not? you currently use it
i would suggest you think about if u want shock fire instead of impact (more focus, important on dc) or ditch fiend fire fully
also going wall is prob better, rn u use meteors for focus gain, going for shock fire and replace meteors with wall should give u a decent gain especially with fiend fire
purple palm would be free dps but takes bit of practice to handle burn
Imagine your dps is 18k in bsh 1 and you are mark range but at the end you get kicked even gate keep because you use blazing palm users wtf 💩
You got kicked during a run?
how many fire fm are there? xD
after run
just 2 but he crying like a bi 1 tch he say cant use fiend fire wtf
Thanks man ill check this stuff today
Who cares what other FMs think, if they can’t manage their own burn stacks it’s a them problem, not a you problem
ice fms with purple palm are the final boss 
True 
this is fine
@slow magnet i did it
Very shiny number
yeah fk them
Also tsk do you think 20 to 26 gm on dragonchar is worth?
that should be a rough 5% dps gain so yes
above 36 gm it's between 2.7-2.9% final dmg gain
below it's around 5% ish
(on your main dps skill only ofc)
gm72->78 was about 2.8% gain (-dd book)
Anything becomes your main dps skill if stacked enough 😅
Honestly would be cool if the cooldown reduction part worked like live
would be cool to have a whole rotation not 3 button macro with a lil extra inputs every 10-20s
but that exceeds gacha games gameplay sorry
*gacha with no pity, worse than gachas

Cant let go of the ice spec temptation
Guess then bp selection will be dragonchar for +6
Wicked Dual Dragon FMs are so happy for you to say that
Dont tell whoever made that reddit post
tbf i should test the skill just to see that 200k hit
u could even use it in bb build
but the benefit is questionable
Maybe you could even do 400k lol
I wouldnt be surprised if it was viable enough to clear everything but like easily worse than all 3 current builds
Until the boss moves
Does the cast get interrupted if it moves??
Honestly a full dual dragon build could be kinda funny
I never used it so idk how it works 😂
🤔
You know I kinda assumed it would just miss
like hae mujin soul core
Not sure if thats actually what happens
I would assume it does nothing if it goes out the 16m range
But if it doesnt go off any time the boss moves omg just delete the skill
WTS NA C/O 10K
Feel free to do multiple images in one message
i just split it cuz the belt has an offer lol
(what does c/o mean?)
Grats
Yall keep stealing my double crit luck on pieces
Someone know what is heatwave expansion
Need marco for FM ice 
Skill does not work, and even if it did, you would not want it
Go on yast and switch to kr patch to view info, the damage is really bad
it's a pvp skill for the stall build
Can someone explain to me how do we handle Hae Mujin's Shadow? It feels like it always spins back to the center after the first one
he spin to the farthest person normally make a range this mech
Hug the corner
so when he starts spinning after the first I go as far away from his destination point as possible while avoiding the group?
You either stay at 15 meters from the boss
Or you hug the wall
When you see the arrow indicating he's moving towards you you move towards another corner
okay okay I think I see
(you can just alternate between the same two corners)
I'll try next time, many thanks
If the clone's path would intersect the (circle around) the boss you should change your position
noted
It's possible someone will f roll or ss away stealing the clone
If you're at 15 meters
so that could be a reason to hug the wall
but that would be their mistake
and for how long do I stall it
The clone phase ends at 50%
(At which point the clone disappears)
Depending on your party's dps the clone may stop this mechanic before 50%, when it starts to attack the party (tank?). It's pretty obvious when this happens and you just go dpsing at that point
so I still hit it a little because at some point it stops spinning and starts doing regular attacks
oh so I dont tank that dps part of the clone?
Idk if the clone would redirect back to you
I just dps the boss to go through the last few % until 50%
okay got it and noted down
thank you for taking some of your time to explain it to me
You also need to start in the oposite side for the first time, becuase the shadow spawns behind, soo if u are at the wrong corner the shadow will stop in the midle, he you Will never cross hae mujin
Opposite of the entrance yeah
Wtb purple blazing palm NA
it also does not work if equip right now
that seems to be an issue with some of the new skills
Seems useless though
Soulburn shroud does not work either
i have that one too
Gotta wait on warlock for that one
Soulburn is self only
Really makes you think
Glad they changed the party buffs to self only
otherwise its just gotta have one in every party
WTS EU
Tbf, char feels like the only one escaping this design
At least to a certain point
Clearly needs more inputs and dynamism than the 2 others
But still I also feel like book stacking kinda killed neo
Making it a game where you want to drop all small dps/QoL spells to stack your main dps skill
And also enabling this DPS check meta
Not gnanaya
not to mention what book stacking does to the market
having books locked to an accessory was a better system
i mean the damage gain per GM point is marginal after you have enough, so dropping a book or two for utility is okay if you want
Which timings i must set at 2rt macro on 36-40 ping?
2 hates me
on ice rain
i put 10ms spam, timings of ping like 36-40 spam
10 is what I use for beam
And always 2 hates me
2 hates you? As in it doesn't like to trigger sometimes?
Same ice rain builds, same pings, my max hit stronger, but dps lower
I lost 100+ ice rains
i have 10ms between keys, and 10ms holding each key
Idk try 5ms 🙃
try longer delays
too fast can drop casts
WTB EU
WTS, EU pm offer
EU WTS 3/3 BIS TOP
Rate and hp isnt bis lol
WTB purple ice rain NA
is this book bug ? when i equip it my Z skill fire stance is lock
yeah new skills are bugged
rip
where old bns support when you need them. Need that reroll token
WTS NA PMO
Why people are selling the gears are they quitting?
either quitting or selling to fund their warlock when it launches
Who cares about the warlock i only wont legendary ice rain
Or soul fighter
Soul Fighter 🤩
SF yes
Any gamer selling virt mystic badge for dragons? 😄
Funny, i sold mine and now it seems every build uses it other than ice while ppl go dc/bbinstead of ice 
btw did u guys tested purple red heat instead of blue blazing palm ?
Purple red heat has 1.0x ap modifier and blue palm 1.3
- the bonus focus on crate of palm
oh okay
Who is selling frost palm ? Purple
Sell it to me 5k or i go for the new legendary weapon skin im about to get it so please save me and sell that book
I don’t wanna waste gems for skins but i can’t
WTB EU Virt. Mistic badge dual dragons dm
Do it!!
Does the effect apply over your whole screen
I think I saw something like that on someones stream
And ngl, hate it lol
From which try u get it ? Or salvage the 7th ??
7th is guaranteed (transmute)
Rng before
3rd
Just open chest at cc, get 100g, buy 2 chests, got leg
Guys what is this book ? Looks weird
WTB Purple blazing palm , wild fire , frost palm NA
Balefire but freeze instead of burn
wtb shockfire eu
Why get legendary ice rain when you can get
it uh
makes a different sound effect on usage
Is it a positive change lol?
I mean to the sound LOL
Ill be honest I have no reference to the original one lol
They should add small money icons
WTB Heroic frost palm in NA for 5000 gem, will buy after maintenance
the original one has no sound at all iirc
same as shock fire
it doesnt make a sound either
well the last time i used shockfire was 36 patch
and it had no sound back then at least
i couldnt even tell if i had used it because it had no sound
A nice confirmation sound if it procced Burn would be nice lol
You just keep it to reroll later
If you win legendary ice rain u could ask for 1m gem and ppl will buy it
I'd love to have some icon on boss to show it has burn status. Now its only stacks
(rerolling does use legendary fragments, and a lot of gold)
Contact the support team they will make it
Sell it better
Why would you sell the lowest roll legendary book
Who is switching to steam do we stay or what ?
So we stay ?
Awkwardly
Existing players dont get the catch up event on the new server
(Like if you wanted to make your 2nd/3rd character on there)
New account
Or we stay they will mix the servers anyway later on
Just link your account to steam and delete purple xD
It reminds me on jin in the wild rift game xD looks and sounds nice but good luck next time
dragon char build or ice build with purple skills
PvE DC > Ice Rain
PvP Ice Rain > DC
Purp DC more expensive
Re roll only takes 4 fragments in later KR patch
do you need purple blazing palm for DC to be good
can anyone tell me the optimal rotation for DC
ima be honest, probably not 
but you can probably learn some decent rotations from ppl
pray you dont salvage 3
I'm gunna go for a second one just in case
WTB purple blazing beam and wildfire NA after maint
this skill looks pretty interesting
Wall does same and actually better (does dmg + cdmg buff)
This one should be for whole party tho, any fm meele gamers?
you could also use it after the wall buff runs out for higher uptime i guess
SURELY its never worth the gcd
or the book slot
for your individual dps no but it if turns out to be a party wide buff it could be
No party member line so I doubt it
Wall is kind of janky to use on ice, if you have ice V locked it bugs out the UI and the blazing wall slot goes blank so you can't see the cooldown
Wall also requires a targetable enemy to gain the buff
And one that is not moving as well.
But cd is 30s and this one is 1min
If the cooldown ui for wall didn't bug out during boosted ice rain I would use it again
But the UI flipping so rapidly just turns it into a blank square
I can't see the cooldown for it unless I stop casting
Tried it for a few days
Took it off again
Black magic could fix that but aside of it, using wall with ice rain not worth if u have a purple in that slot, if u still have blue ice rain it is worth using wall over another ice rain
Though it's questionable whether 10% crit damage is even worth it at all
Its less than half of the mantra buff
I used wall for about 2 weeks with ice rain and lastly took it off aswell, the gcd lock of 1 and x just aint worth it aside of annoying to cast & another purple ice rain (2.7% final dmg gain ish) outscaled the 10% cdmg on MY gear (3800 cdmg base)
Tl;dr ditched wall
More once you consider uptime
I guess thats not entirely fair
Because wall uptime
The mantra uptime is like 32%
The wall uptime is probably aeound the same
30 seconds doesn't align with either of the possible ice rotations
You won't interrupt ice rain casting to cast a blazing wall during boost
Yeah
So it'll probably end up being every 36 seconds used
I'll get it eventually for char if I can find a good price
The duration of the buff is 10, takes 5 seconds to stack
Refreshes every time it stacks
Cant give up that sweet crit% buff though
Oh if only FM had some form of crit buff
I also have that
I have 6.4% crit in mantra proc and 22.8% crit damage proc
And then 1x in focus mantra
Windstorm
Feels soulfighter

30% crit buff 😎
At least FM puts out probably the most hits per second
So you gain hella damage value from drain
I noticed on my kfm alt that 1 skill triggers drain like 5 times
They hit much slower overall though
Yeah
Someone who had ingame meter enabled told me I had 3k dps over the other meter on tree boss, which is from drain and onrush damage that the other meter can't see
Should be easy enough to calculate an average
Just count the life drain procs /s
I think Onrush is 5% chance to proc?
Looks hella nice tho
For drain yeah, for onrush you'd have to record the fight and try and count the number of procs
I did that but the average I should have gained was way less than what the ingame meter was saying that I did
big dps
Don't know if bleed damage belongs to any specific player
I claim all the bleed stacks for running purple dual dragons
If someone else refreshes it though wouldn't it be theirs
Could be kinda big
Thats like
rough calculation
3000 damage per second on a 20mil hp boss
- stopping healing
From what I understand the bleed or other related debuffs don't belong to a specific player
I claim that part too
Are you saying you claim it, or the game is assigning that damage to your character?
Unfortunately the game does not agree with my claim
Need to convince the developers
Like that sum that got damage * 4
You could technically track who applies Bleed when
But that doesn't matter if the game doesn't think it's yours, like on wb
I mean
Without a meter your (known) dps is 0
Summoners have this problem with their cat 
Doesnt wall give only 3 % compared to 10 or am tripping
2% 5 stacks
Guys sell me your purple books and go switch the server, i stay here
Ok 50k for purple palm and i'll sell to you
Somehow this will convince someone to relist the 20k one for more
4k no more for frost palm
or I switch the server with u
Send me one too
ICE RAIN
Its only add less than 1k to your total dmg it even worth 2k
I have one before and sell it for 4.4k
Depends on how much you do
All skills except main skill and lmb are kinda small
Need more drops to make them cheap(er) 😔
A bunch of small upgrades add up though
You cant really get many big upgrades on bns typically
Steam is gonna suck for people that swipe small amounts bc the 3 day hold on marketplace
i pray for them
Rip impulse small spending
The game is so random how is people list ice sheet for 4k i did buy it and sell it 1.9k years ago
I will leave f5 for long long time i will get all the books i need from the pass better and save for outfits instead
if youre willing to take a loss you can bypass it by buying costume and selling for gold
then sell gold certificates for gems
I think when people say cosmetics are the true endgame
This is not what they had in mind
WTS
price check?
WTB Heroic Dragonchar 25k gem and Heroic Frost Palm 5k gem
is that na price ? cus eu sells for like 15k
oh yeah, its NA price
Who cares about the party do your own dmg btw in live in was using the clock 😂 they are not getting anything from me
WTB purple blazing palm and wildfire EU
WTB Blazing Palm - NA
For this price the skill should give actual soulburn xD
i got that for 3000 and its probably not even worth that
Done math on it, in 6man dung will be worth (if ppl cuddle meele), 4man only if ur not tanking and rest also plays meele..
Isn’t it solo buff
Not confirmed
i asked a KR player and he said its solo
🤷♂️
.
Another purple in that slot will always do better, 10% is a joke
Give us 80% like kfm or sin
Buff deadlock
there’s a chance he misunderstood but I asked an FM player on his stream and he said it doesn’t work for others
Lets change it to an effect like this (live ice sf)
Obviously longer duration because long cooldown
Wait so soulbourn effect isnt for party?
Why bruh? Isnt the focus recovery and hp recovery ones for party too?
Moonwater is dead, no one sell or buy the books
I didn’t sell anything today xD
The players all going for the new server but why ? To start all over
What a waste of time
chat how much is frost palm and blazing palm purp worth in eu ?
wanna know whats bait price and whats real
blazing palm 20k and frost 8k
when you see blazing palm 10k?
no way a non stackable skill should be worth 20k
25k is just a random person hoping to bait a new/reroll whale
Yesterday mean nothing its just a delusional person trying to achieve his dreams
10k was a pretty normal price for it yeah
The price eu for frost palm is 4-5k
For blazing 9-11k
dragon char is lower price than that
Could be a bit higher depending on demand and supply rn
a STACKABLE skill
Depends on how delusional the seller is
From what Ive heard NA had cheaper Beam than Palm
But yeah I wouldnt expect Char to be worth less than Palm on EU
Char not worth less who did say that ?
Oh sorry i lose focus need to sleep 💤
Losing focus does sound like Char
i meant char has been like around 17k or something
if palm 20k it shouldnt be logical
And the weapon flashy skins
i need palm
Wait tell the seller lose to much gold listing it for 20k he will sell it back for 10k
yea those sellers love to waste their gold
btw on my alt im now playing icerain but thinking bout getting char on purple skill , is it worth to swap like that ?
Depends what you prefer
Direct comparisons are very rare
Char is pretty focus heavy so may be tricky on an alt with lower crit
Play what u enjoy for me i never change blue ice rain even for purple char or beem
i mean i dont know waht i enjoy if i dont try it
lmb, rmb, ice z, 1, fire x
well fire x isnt mandatory
But its a pretty high source of damage if youre not stacking purple chars in its place
lmb rmb z all builds share
Try the blue one it’s almost the same
and for 1 you can just grab a green book
Blue char feels significantly different than purple
I win 3 bound char and salvage all of them not my style
Feels heavy slow and boring
Bound blue or purple?
2 blue 1 purple ask reas if u don’t believe me
And my friend reas win purple ice rain he want char that why he quit
💀
lol
Mine have been pretty meh
Well
I dont mind purple Coldsnap
Its decent for the 2-4 bg matches I do weekly
Useful in some rare pve situations
cold snap's good for char ? focus recovery ig ?
Yes
Better than meteor
and does it require a mystic badge ?
For me better to win useless purple book lets say stun than win a good book i don’t use
It’s psychological thing
no
You can use all three mystic badges with it
Dual dragons use is most common rn
Then wall/meteor
huh but if you get something that is valuable, that you don't use, you can sell it and buy something you use
I think the context was still bound books
oh yeah
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Holy this looks so useless
LOL
It lowers your chance at getting useful Purp.
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Did u switch to the other server?
Nah, i switch to the other game:)
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hey, i have purple dragonchar and meteor shower, rest is blue, what should i pick from the bp box
more purple dragonchar
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quick question - if im going along the blazing beam path, what happens if i buy porple blazing palm? will i still be able to instant cast my fiend fire since the embers are being automatically detonated? might be a dumb question but i wanna wait to buy it till i know 😭
or if any banger blazing beam players have a profile i can look at lmk 
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another dchar or purple blazing palm
i wont to ask guys i can deal more 19k+ my lvl 53 i wont to know what proplem
We dont know how you play
But that certainly sounds low
You can go and dps a training dummy for three minutes
Then we can see if your counts suggest things are wrong
ok
in bsh1 bs2 most dmg i deal 18k " 20k some times eved
this skills i but
you deal 20k in bsh but 19k in pigsty? or was that dps in the screenshot unrelated to the post? :D
in pigsty in bsh 17k+
ah, cause you wrote 18-20k.
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Are you not running out of focus with this?
oh
Which isnt that big of a deal damage wise tbf
i will test wildfire
If you dont run out of focus
are you playing with your hand or macro ?

macro
Ur ping ?
i will send you video 1 mon
Kay
Prob this ngl
I would play beam with that ping*
send me a video can maybe help you
You have significantly more frost palm hits
Which may or may not mean anything
I'm getting 20% more dragonchars
and could definetly get even more
You are macroing a lot of keys
a lot a lot
😦
okkkky
Or this happens
im not benefiting frome it
Yep thats a lot of keys
what you suggest
Just 2 r t
just that
(not necessarily in that exact order)
f ?
Not sure if the order actually matters
tbh
You use dual dragons for two things
Either focus or bleed uptime
2 ? the dragon
Dual dragons is f
yah
I would just use it when youre low on focus
Which would generally be during Balefire's downtime
ok
You'll just have to play around with the macro delay
Feels different on different pings
take F out the macro
get shockfire
you need to manage your focus
not just spam every abilty
ngl
what the
ok now i but the macro left right and 2 the dragon now its very fast ok what the skill i will removed what skil i buy it now
You use it instead of a blue dragonchar
Idk if you bought anything yet
But green book shock fire is just fine for testing
Fair price!
semoene guide force master fire blaziin beam o laser :v
Remove everything from your macro and only use 2r(you need purple blazing palm) RMB is not a skill that you animation cancel with as a dragonchar fm. We only use it to csnap or tab freeze in emergencies
This is how the numbers should look like roughly
You can get started with the pinned message here
Beam is good
Its the best build for the early game
All are viable
But beam is probably the weakest of the three
Its also the simplest and the most ping friendly though
Beam is good if you're new to fm with relatively high ping
Ice needs very low ping
I need to do more testing, but before I got my purple lmb I didnt actually notice a difference between 2r and 2rt in terms of dps.
Char works with higher ping but needs a lot of dynamic actions when it comes to focus management
You potentially lose char casts because of rmb due to the close gcd ratios with char, also with purple lmb you always want to cast 2 chars for each lmb
Do you actually manually play like that 🤔
Yeah
You can macro 2r
and it will always cast 22r
but never macro anything else
rmb should be a manual cast as I said before
for either csnap or dragonfrost procs
and try to always dump your focus before using a focus recovery skill so you dont waste anything
Most macros will waste dragonfrost/dualdragons/balefire
also you never want to use 2 skills that have 1000ms gcd back to back
that loses you the char boost
Hmm thats interesting 😄 Ill test 2 min parse with only 2r against 2rt
Ill cry if that will make a big difference
It should result in more chars and that will make a difference
The only time i used 2rt was when balefire used to be the only source of burn
with wildfire now its no longer an issue
Btw. Didnt know there is a limit to number of locked skills xD
Apparently max is 10
nah too much hassle tbh xD
pretty sure playing dragonchar without a macro results in higher dps since it's much more dynamic
The parse wasnt really meant for dps specifically
For example im not using soul core or fiend fire
(because the other person didnt)
Maybe
I know from live some classes you cant really keep up with the level of "spamming" you need to do to keep counts high enough
And to be honest, manual play sounds just a little too annoying with a class like fm
Too much clicking
Something like fire kfm works quite well manually
Char has a few issues that can be solved when played manually
most important ones are managing focus and using iframes
Macro doesnt really hinder our dashes
I've heard from a lot of char fms that iframes dont go through with macro spam
One question, why u use CS?
Depends on ping and fps I guess
For focus regen?
To trigger frost orb without spaming rmb
the focus recovery is an added bonus
Really nice focus recovery, better than meteor shower (I dont own wall atm)
CS has 300ms gcd so i dont lose much when i cast it
meteor shower is bad in terms of focus recovery
I am playing forst FM with ping 35-37, Now 42-25 and i am crying:)
Yeah, I'll switch when I get Wall
fiend fire is not good once you have high gm on char since it costs multiple gcds to cast
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Fiend Fire is such an annoying skill to active some times
Unfortunately it still represents a decent chunk of damage for me
Thats why i dropped it it becomes a dps loss
Having 5 bleed with dual dragons is decent
if you're still using fiend fire its better to go with dd badge becuase u lose a lot of focus to do that
I run with a static that has bleed so i never need it
moonwater is fine since we rarely even proc it
do you use blazing wall on cd?
Yeah. However, I always make sure it doesnt happen before or after balefire i have to cast a char in between so i dont lose the boost
1 for 30 sec?
Or i misunderstanding?
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If you do it manually that is completely fine. In macros though due to the short gcd on rmb it will make it so that every char will have an rmb after it, and since char's animation cannot be canceled that will lose you a few chars
It should be a dps gain just make sure you cast it after every second char with lmb or else you'll clip your rotation
Grats
what mystic badged is good to force master bleazin beam
Sell me frost palm
15k you u want it now:) I dont sell books. Only gear
When i sold the gear, i will sell books
Btw,. both ice rains bound
Then after you sell the gear we will see, only have 6k i got blazing palm from u 10k how u want to sell me frost with 15k you mean
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I will never shut up for a week at least 😂
should fight him and if u lose it'll be even funnier
No i only fight with golds now he is to low for this 😬😬😬😬
I don’t wanna snap some bronze u know 
should i buy it? it has accuracy piercing
yes
nevermind i disconnected
yey
Are u kidding xD sure no
ice or bleazing beam?
it depends
blazing beam is cheap and effective but you will meet a dps wall quickly
i can have 2 purple ice or one blazing beam
dragonchar/ice requires more dg to be worthly but overall its better
stay on ice
much better in this way
Quickly seems like a questionable statement
But yes I wouldnt switch at this point
Unless you wanted to
if you have high ping for example 200+ ms blazing beam is better
I think for ice high ping is considered 20+ xD

my ping is 40-60
Kinda rare to actually find comparisons across different pings
Would imagine youre still fine at that ping
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Regarding Ice Rain FM
Is this class heavily affected by ping (like Lightning BD) or will it perform fine with around 75 ping? Any knowers
Ice rain want as small ping as it possible
Isn't that just a standard thing in BNS lower ping = better?
Nah
With 38 ping i had 6-9k less dps against FM with weaker then me but with 10 ping
Beam on whether 30ms or 70ms doesn’t make a difference in dps, you should play beam on high ping
🤝🏻
was that just strictly ping or was it also a macro program diff on top of the ping
lemme hold that leg beam rq
It’s on hold for leg rr 😔 beam has shiet dps compared to the other 2 build though
Or u can play like that one guy , stacking wicked twin dragons

Dont do that pls
thats my goat frfr
my idol
Actually even beam lose dps in high ping, because you lose a lot of palm hits in high ping, u dont lose beam hits, soo when u have less beam stacks it will be worse
they’re cooking something we don’t know
So. play sunflower sum, on this doesnt matter u have 5 ping or 205
ya i think id rather rope than play sum
oh I see, bc when I played on west coast 70ms I still do basically the same dmg as when I come back and play on 35ms
wtb west coast server
honestly ill take texas even at least ill be like 40-50
Yeah west ppl so fcked when server on the other side of the country
LMFAO no way you tagged him in the FM discord 💀
Steven was coping steam server would be on west coast

but I don’t get how steven get like 60ish ping with exitlag while I get 70-80 ping with exitlag even though we on same ip

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How bro
Your grandskill master is 42, min is 26
And I did like 23k in BSH Command
does anyone have a dchar example macro?
yea heres my macro 2222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222
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Sell the frost palm or dull dragon im waiting
Sell before i get the weapon skin instead 😬🔪
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Can someone tell a bit about the new fm skillz please
Do we want shrouded soulburn on our bubble ?








