Force Master

[molten flint]

balefire , metoer is for energy.

[slow magnet]

you dont hold 2

[molten flint]

depends on the books u have things change

[slow magnet]

you still use L R 2 during the coldsnap duration

[brittle junco]

Why

[molten flint]

but basically, coldsnap, massive snowball, 2RT (2+LB+RB)

F to replenish energy

frost blast to reset snowball

[slow magnet]

you shoot ice rains out at the same rate, but also shoot LMBs and RMBs at the same time

[brittle junco]

For real dam

So i need to sell my bellafire no need for it then

[slow magnet]

it also basically solves whatever focus issues you may have, as long as you have blue RMB and blue LMB

since RMB cost 0, LMB gives 1 or 2 if crit

[molten flint]

depends on u. if u can uptime cold snap all the way u probably wont need it

and if u have cold snap blue that gives +1 recovery

blazing palm for +1 recovery on crit (total 2)

duel dragons give +5, some lock ... the other 2 F skill dragonsmth.. some lock only the fire one

cause the ice one still gives +5 recovery

[brittle junco]

Yes im geared up i have purple massive snowball as well 800+

[molten flint]

then u should be fine without balefire

[slow magnet]

damn a purple massive snowball

this guy is gamer

[brittle junco]

XD

[molten flint]

o.o

purple massive snowball is expensive in NA/EU? o_O

[brittle junco]

Just saying im not that noob u know

[molten flint]

its 1.8-2.3k here whats it there?

[slow magnet]

its like 2.5k in NA but its a luxury book that you dont need unless you dont have a virtuous badge

[molten flint]

well, thats basically it, uptime coldsnap as much as possible spam 2RT and F when its up

thats basically all ice rain is

until....... legendary

[brittle junco]

Chill guys ok sorry for flexing my masive snowball 😂

[molten flint]

then u can throw snowball coldsnap out the window its fine

[slow magnet]

and lock dragonfrost and dragon blaze

[molten flint]

id keep dragonfrost for the energy tbh but user preference

[slow magnet]

big damage loss and shouldnt be running out of focus ever

[molten flint]

u lost 1 hit ._.

every 12 seconds

lol

[slow magnet]

you lose 2 ice rains if it gets used during coldsnap boost

[molten flint]

dont... use it during coldsnap boost.. its there if u cant keep up coldsnap boost and u need that +5

thats why i said, user preference

it really depends on what u have

[slow magnet]

coldsnap boost is 8s and then you have 3-4s before you force blast, snowball and then cold snap again

[brittle junco]

Yes its big dmg lose

[molten flint]

lol then lock it

[brittle junco]

I use macro so i lock it

Btw what is the best macro for ice build

[molten flint]

2RTF

[brittle junco]

Ok thanks alot

[molten flint]

F optional. depends if u lazy or not

[slow magnet]

i use ~10ms delays dont put it too low or it doesnt work very well

[brittle junco]

Are u sure we dont hold 2 because a guy on youtube says on cold snap we hold 2

[slow magnet]

that guy is just wrong

you dont hold 2 on coldsnap

[molten flint]

ppl say spam clicking 2 is better

is the guy u watching the one witht he legendary book...

[brittle junco]

No this let me get the link

[slow magnet]

I prefer having F in the macro so you instant roll out of knockdowns and dazes

[molten flint]

im pretty sure if u hold 2, and its on a macro, if u dont switch off your macro to refresh coldsnap snowball frost blast

[brittle junco]

https://youtu.be/Fi8NdKnGJYA?si=ez15zBUkMv_pfJKN

[molten flint]

your 2 can get jammed

[slow magnet]

i dont need to watch the rest of this section to know this guy doesnt know what hes doing

[brittle junco]

Yeah true xD

[molten flint]

yeaaa u dont really need metor balefire

unless u are like full blue including badges

then probably

[brittle junco]

Ok no balefire

[molten flint]

where your downtime is like 8 seconds? or smth?

[slow magnet]

if you have full blue and no virtous the build is kind of dysfunctional tbh

[molten flint]

yea hahaha

[slow magnet]

force blast doesnt reduce snowball CD enough

[molten flint]

so like 1/3rd the time u draining 3 energy per cast

thats when u metor balefire

but at this point, u should alr have virtuous

[fervent pond]

don't listen to that guy on youtube he also recommends ice users use frost fury

[molten flint]

... CN yes 😄

lolol

[slow magnet]

purple force blast is 2200 on NA now you just buy one of those

it costs as much as blue ice rains used to cost

[slow magnet]

moonwater badge is fine with purple massive snowball

or virtuous with blue massive snowball

effectively the same

[molten flint]

TW side is abit backwards lol

[brittle junco]

In eu i sell mine in 4.5
And its gone fast now it cost 7k

[slow magnet]

is TW on earlier patch?

[fervent pond]

wait disregard, i'm thinking of a different youtube vid lol

[slow magnet]

@fervent pond what happened to your extra ice rains

[fervent pond]

sold

rerolled

[brittle junco]

This video

https://youtu.be/Fi8NdKnGJYA?si=ez15zBUkMv_pfJKN

[molten flint]

i think we are same patch now, we on mujin

somethings here are cheaper some more ex

[sharp grotto]

what did u expect a guy that edits his videos to know what they are doing

[brittle junco]

He sound pro xD i was bb user when i watch it first time and from 2month i just hold2 with cold snap because of his stupidness

[molten flint]

hah... the dps loss for not 2RT is pretty massive

-6k/s

even higher the more your gear is obviously

[fervent pond]

he doesn't play ice so just take what he says with a grain of salt

[brittle junco]

After what

After destroying my life

[slow magnet]

I have never really watched these videos tbh but spending all that time making a video when you dont know what youre doing seems like a bad use of time

[molten flint]

i think char build is the only one u get away with not using 2RT

[fervent pond]

u mean u don't love spreading misinformation?

[sharp grotto]

clickbait small wanna be content creators that hope for big clicks from new hype mmo releases

[molten flint]

ice build is the lamborgini of builds. i dunno but i feel char is more expensive

[fervent pond]

the bns community isn't big LOL, it's all small content creators

[molten flint]

the diff between blue to purple char vs blue to purple ice feels way bigger

[fervent pond]

cause purple char increases speed

[sharp grotto]

yea but during the release they still got like 10-20k clicks if u released a guide vid

was free

[brittle junco]

But purple ice rain only dmg

[slow magnet]

I'm pretty sure on purple char has higher maximum potential damage output

Higher AP ratios and higher rate of ember stacking

[molten flint]

then again, the script probably flips once u compare legendary char to legendary ice rain ._.

ive only seen legendary char in dungeon i hvnt seen ice rain

except for that kr clip 102 GM legendary ice rain or smth ridiculous like that

[sharp grotto]

char is the highest dps purple book

there is no debate

[brittle junco]

Ice rain legendary its what keep me playing the game i need to have it

[fervent pond]

gl

[molten flint]

lolol...

gl

[slow magnet]

@fair basin told you im playing a crippled second tier build

[molten flint]

I MEAN~ if u got 10 grand burning a hole in your pocket

probably could get it sure

[brittle junco]

At least im getting it in 10 years xD

For cheep

[sharp grotto]

getting chars is cheap on eu

im selling 7 of them rn

get it while its hot

[molten flint]

oh my mistake!

its only about 5 grand

well char is at least

[fickle glen]

freedom enjoyers

[molten flint]

this has to hurt though..

get your legendary but its... yikes

[brittle junco]

I go sell my bellafire and fix my macro thanks guys

How much the ice rain legendary?

[slow magnet]

Shock fire is usable and potentially useful

[molten flint]

none of the market for my side

[molten flint]

I MEAN YES BUT....

if u get a legendary u would want it to be one of the big 3

XD

[slow magnet]

coulda got force blast

[molten flint]

i cant play NA/EU. 170ping

so we gotta smol english community for TW side since ncsoft refuses to ever give asia an english version

[fickle glen]

force is the worst one ig

[slow magnet]

legendary force blast does absolutely nothing for rotation

[harsh nymph]

Just sell me purple force blast pls

[fleet wolf]

You are able to switch to any other Lego book later patch.

[molten flint]

there has to be a catch here..

ncsoft let u change to any lego book later on? common now..

for free... aint no way

[terse fiber]

Nobody said for free xD

[molten flint]

thre is already this in the server why would they make a 1:1 legendary trade

[fleet wolf]

Salvaging might still be 3 - 5 frags, while the Lego election box will cost 4 frags

[brittle junco]

How to see the ice rain bosted 8 second cooldown?

Like when it end

How to see it

[terse fiber]

wdym?

[molten flint]

there we go... so it costs 1-2 legendary to get election box

2-3 lego for 1

XD

theresss the catch

[brittle junco]

What about my question guyssss

[molten flint]

legendary book cost : $5000, reroll legendary? 10-15K

lets gooooooo

[molten flint]

i dunno, i think its an icon on your buff bar ? i usually just estimate

besides, when it ends u slow down

[fleet wolf]

Cuz necessary ‘improvements’ to keep the game alive..?

[brittle junco]

K thanks

[molten flint]

smart opinion. but because its smart, its not ncsoft :p

[fleet wolf]

Still gonna be 50g to reroll I think

[molten flint]

50g is acceptable

if its 100% @@

but i fully expect failure and chance to get the same skill back too XD

forgive my pessamism.. just.. years of ncsoft conditioning

[fleet wolf]

If you are at the point of getting Lego book, you wouldn’t care about that at all

Jus 1 Lego on main then purp stack, while tru Whaleos will stack full legendary

[graceful hawk]

If you are ice build full blues with mw mystic badge, you can either go purple massive snowball + mw badge or blue massive snowball + virtuous badge correct? And purple force blast is mandatory no matter what you choose right?

[fervent pond]

There is none, just watch your cold snap cd, ends at 22s left

[fickle glen]

I meannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn its good improvement

but I wouldn't say mandatory

[graceful hawk]

Rn I'm full blues with MW badge wondering which way to go

But market is so

[fickle glen]

I still use blues

🤷‍♂️

[brittle junco]

I did fix my macro i did sell bellafire and i stop holding 2, my dmg went from 11k to 14k on CS i sware to god

I have now 2 macro for ice build
On the side mouse button
First button is 22rtf
Second button is t 1xz
No delay time
Use the secand button whenever u have 1 ready to cast 1 with x with z fast so u have 100% boated
But need purple 1 and x

Bro from 11k to 14k for me that is insane

[brittle junco]

That is the better way to know thanks alot

[fickle glen]

2trzx1f

or no balls

[sharp grotto]

wts 7x purp char on eu dm cheap

[sullen sparrow]

Nellan, y you gotta do me dirty man I finally transmuted a purple dragonchar and want to sell it for ice rain, at the same day, 1 hours later you came with your 7x purp char

[sharp grotto]

just play the better build

[sullen sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-7433931244412524776

[radiant dagger]

[molten flint]

closest 1:1 comparison cold storage.

Blue Ice Rain GM 18, Purple frost burst 850AP (3.4k, 2400)
vs
Blue ice rain GM 0, purple wicked twin GM 12 853AP (3k, 2400)

[graceful hawk]

[fickle glen]

impact burn, fiend fire, infernal blow, ice rain

I just woke up but I guess its enough discord today

[jagged hull]

Sounds like a productive day

[fervent pond]

Don’t forget about wicked twin dragons

[fleet wolf]

bruh?

[jagged hull]

Any secrets to speeding up floor 3

[tranquil prawn]

You cant really speed it up

[fickle glen]

wait faster

[harsh nymph]

wait faster

[ocean forge]

time travel also works

[frank canopy]

what's wrong

with this

[fleet wolf]

dead Junghado but quest not completed, no quest window to claim daily/ bonus reward

[frank canopy]

Oh yeah

weird af

indeed

Happened to me once

I had to go back to 6th floor or something

this was long ago tho

[sharp grotto]

wts eu

[molten flint]

^ steam release sounds like "the great migration"

[molten flint]

it parsed better than with BB or char (blue) 🤷‍♂️

[brittle junco]

Play with your phone while waiting

[glad tree]

Hiiii anyone knows the rotation for ice rain?

Wanted to compare my rotation with other ppl

[distant inlet]

2rt, same as every other fm spec

[lyric stump]

its funny how people still be whining about me having purple palm

[glad tree]

I got purple wall xD

I never use it on wb

But still ppl yell at me for having it 😂

[glad tree]

Kei how to check that?

I mean the graphic

[mortal wigeon]

WTS EU PM ME

[lyric stump]

now you are more evil than me kek

cus wall is hidden and people won't notice until they play with u

[glad tree]

😂

[mortal wigeon]

WTB PURPLE FORCE BLAST EU PM ME

[harsh nymph]

WTB EU

[molten flint]

azura's discord

and if u already use it, then just click your name

[glad tree]

Yup just found it

Tyty ❤️

[brittle junco]

Bro it was 3k eu stop buying this shitt let the price go down as it should be i sell mine week ago with 4.5k now its 10k

[sleek sphinx]

question is for ice fm important with purple blazing palm and blue blazing palm to play

im fire fm

[fickle glen]

english

[sleek sphinx]

sry my english is bad

a ice fm play with blazing palm purple and vlue

blue*

[fickle glen]

purple palm is good for everyone

its huge dps increase

its just pain to maintain burn for fire

[sleek sphinx]

yes he destroy ma dmg

my*

[fickle glen]

I mean

use dualdragon>1 to burn

and use ur c

should be fine to keep burn up

[sleek sphinx]

but i need my 1 for my X

[fickle glen]

dualdragon>1>x

[sleek sphinx]

and he destroy my fire stacks

[jagged hull]

Which you can do when your first Balefire burn ends

You dont have to Fiend Fire right at the start

[fickle glen]

just turn of your macro and time it 🤷‍♂️

[brittle junco]

@sleek sphinx purple palm should get charge since its effect others

[sleek sphinx]

ok

[zealous coyote]

i play ice rain with a very low ping, wouldnt it be more beneficial for me to get a much higher crit rate (4k+) than putting effort into crit dmg other than keeping it decent?

[frank canopy]

No get both

FM crit rate is weird anyway

Nearly everyone does the same % after 4k crit rate

[zealous coyote]

wtf okay so i just keep my rate at 3.8k then and boost my dmg

[molten flint]

u have card set that gives guarantee crit hits

so with that, its skewed more to build crit dmg

[zealous coyote]

do you know the name of the set?

[molten flint]

anyset that gives onrush

i use insect rebellion cause im a brokie

[fickle glen]

insect is

good enough

2 slot

perfect

[jagged hull]

In the end you just take what you can get

[fickle glen]

only upgrade to it is prove your skills

[zealous coyote]

im a brokie too lmao so im going to look into that

[fickle glen]

or well

[jagged hull]

You wouldnt give up a lot of crit for a little crit dmg

[fickle glen]

divine sets

[slow magnet]

There's diminishing returns on critrate stat, and a naturally variability to the crit % on any given run.

[slow magnet]

There was definitely still a change though

[frank canopy]

I was told Noush used to do around 55-60% crit rate with 5k2 CR and it's around the same % as any FM with 4k+ ( on hae mu jin)

[slow magnet]

Looking at my recent Hae Mujin runs I see 61.5%-64.5% range and I have 5300 crit rate

[slow magnet]

I have two of these mantras on two accessories though and that is increasing my critrate as well

[frank canopy]

Do you play ice or char ?

[slow magnet]

ice

[frank canopy]

This should work well with both builds

[slow magnet]

the mantras have around a ~32% uptime

[jagged hull]

Does ice do that many hits per second?

[frank canopy]

I do around 57-59 no crit mantra with 4k cr

[slow magnet]

its probably the same as char

[jagged hull]

I was estimating around 18% uptime on char

[slow magnet]

on the mantra?

[jagged hull]

Yeah

Well its blue char so definetly less uptime than purple char

[slow magnet]

theres no way

it takes you like 20 seconds to proc it

[frank canopy]

It's around same rate

As char

[jagged hull]

It should be average 5 seconds to proc with like 4 hits/s

[frank canopy]

Around 400 hits per minute

But

1 char hits 3x

Ice 2

So yeah i would say effectively it does more effective hits ( hits that can proc mantra )

Cuz i don't think additional dmg or badge can proc them

[slow magnet]

Even if you count each char and ice rain as a single hit

you should put out 4 hits a second or so

[jagged hull]

Just counting the hits on overlay

I mean, the number

total

[slow magnet]

i don't think the char or ice rains actually multi hit, even if multiple entries are shown in log

As life drain is only proc'd once per ice rain or char on a single target regardless.

[jagged hull]

That one makes sense

Because additional damage doesnt crit

[frank canopy]

I do think ice rain hits more per second cuz comparatively good char rate are 1.6s where rain is around 1.8

[slow magnet]

Count the LMB RMBs as well

[frank canopy]

Excluding badge

[slow magnet]

and you're probably looking at 4 hits a second

[frank canopy]

And additinal dmg

[slow magnet]

at 4 hits a second the average time to proc the mantra would be 5 seconds

at 3 hits a second it would be 6.67s

[frank canopy]

Don't have those mantras sadly cant really try myself

[slow magnet]

8/25=32% or 8/26.67=30% uptime

from gameplay that seems accurate

[jagged hull]

oh now I see

I was using the % (5) as duration xD

[slow magnet]

yeah its 8 seconds, 20 second cooldown which includes the 8 second duration

[jagged hull]

Kinda funny how bad the additional damage onces are

[slow magnet]

the 5% proc one is pretty bad, the 5 second cooldown one is slightly better i think

[glad tree]

I mean % of crit rate is super random, i got on poh runs 50-75% crit rate range xD

[slow magnet]

on lower level enemies you will have a higher crit %

[primal prairie]

can anyone help me with any macro for Blazing Beam build ?

for autohotkey app

[sharp grotto]

wts eu

[sharp grotto]

just buy my dragonchars easy

[sharp grotto]

Based

[signal temple]

Hold on my message got deleted what

[tranquil prawn]

WTS purple blazing beams eu

[sharp grotto]

the mods are onto u bro

[trim tapir]

Is there a settings to not changing stance automatically? Like when I dodge with E, I want to stay with Ice skills, but it gets back to fire stance

[ocean forge]

when you dodge with E, you want ice skills, but it gets back to fire stance?

🤔

[fickle glen]

I think he meant when he uses q

and no

we cant even get base ice stance

😔

[trim tapir]

yes poor wording by me

basically base ice stance, I once screwed up preparing for sheath and then I got fire stance 1 sec before that's why I'm asking

so just get good timing basically

[pallid grotto]

some skills put u in specific stance

so yea, nothing u can do

[frank canopy]

That's the only thing the class has to offer tbh can't really complain about this

( i do lock all 4 fire skills for pve tho)

[loud linden]

WTB EU similar stat with 3 mantra pm

[brittle junco]

Only worth 2.5k no more let the price back to normal people are delusional about 8k it was 2.5k from the beginning till the last week wtf

[frank canopy]

Yeah but since skill is absolutely needed to dps on ice

they can milk ppl

lol

Can't get a clean rotation otherwise anyway

[fickle glen]

its not stackable book

it doesnt worth 10k

[ocean forge]

Nah buy it now for 8k!! Surely it's worth more later like atleast 16k

[jagged hull]

It's not buying

It's an investment

[harsh nymph]

Dat works for alive server

I crafted yammi Soul for 3 clicks(5k DGs)

Waiting two week, and this will be grow to bis soul

[brittle junco]

Omg guys try lagofast i discover it now the ms went from 170 to 87 wtfffffff xD

[brittle junco]

I think you are the one who selling it for 8k 😂

I swear lagofast dont buy it try it first 1 day free no visa needed for the free trial btw

[distant inlet]

Remember when 2 ppl have Infernal souls the hellfire cannot stack so you miss 30% of your infernals dmg (who ever uses it first wins)

Gubong stays a very close 2nd and Mujin a very close 3rd

[slow magnet]

The infernal soul tick damage also doesnt scale

its just a static amount of damage regardless of the tier

[sharp grotto]

wts eu

[tranquil prawn]

WTS 2x purple BB (EU)

[median sonnet]

what are the changes to souls again?

[harsh nymph]

Active souls will get AP buff. Like Gobun now. But depends from rarity, Purpl soul will give 60ap for 10 sec

[median sonnet]

sheeeesh

all of em?

[harsh nymph]

Only that activate

Like tomb, Mujin, poh

[fickle glen]

my guy trying to sell 200 divine bracelet for 1k saying its pvp

[sharp grotto]

insane ppv brace bro trust

[median sonnet]

idk what you guys are talking about

i sell purple bracelets with those stats for 10k all the time

[ocean forge]

drops dogshit bracelet
calls it pvp bracelet

[jagged hull]

You forgot to add a platinum rank icon as 2nd image

[brittle junco]

He have cute picture, I forgive him 😬

Unlike mine 💔

[graceful hawk]

[loud linden]

(green book) tornado fm not remove spin destroyer ?

[split palm]

wts na

[naive veldt]

wts purple ice rain - na

[ocean forge]

no

[left roost]

WTS EU

[tranquil prawn]

Bought for 12k at awakened

[sharp grotto]

Let me flip acc on a dead game bro holup

[radiant dagger]

WTS

[marble hemlock]

Hello y'all 🙂
I was hoping to crowdsource some help to progress my character. This is my current build so far but I am having trouble dealing damage (ICE FM Build)(avg 110~120 ping). I try to do a 2-lmb-rmb main rotation with proper cold snap refershes thrown in when needed. As far as i can tell that is more damage than simply spamming 2 for me. I dont know if it is a ping issue, a rotation issue, skill issue, or what ever else but I can't seem to do enough damage to contribute enough in the BSH1 and BSH2 dungeons. (Im basically slightly above the bar when it comes to cold storage). Would anyone have advice on a specific trick for their rotation, possible stat/item upgrades, etc that they have found helps with such things? I appreciate any help and thank you so so much in advance!

[jagged hull]

If you think it may be a ping issue, mentioning your ping sure would be helpful

Similarly, a rotation issue isnt going to show from an F3 screenshot.

[marble hemlock]

oh right sorry ill edit the original to reflect but its about 110-120

[jagged hull]

(That said, I've never played Ice myself so cant really comment on its rotation.)

What does "slightly above the bar when it comes to cold storage" mean anyway

[marble hemlock]

I do enough damage to be average in cold storage. i neither carry the party nor need others to make up for a lack in dmaage

[jagged hull]

Ngl

Thats a pretty useless comment

[terse fiber]

If you know what damage you do just tell us. 12k? 14k?

[distant inlet]

I suppose "just above the bar" means 12.5-13k

[jagged hull]

Seems low

[marble hemlock]

roughly 14k in CS yes. but i know that translates to much less in BSH 1 and 2, and it feels like i should be doing more.

[terse fiber]

Do you have meter with "boss only" turned on?

so it doesnt count dmg on drones

[distant inlet]

Well ye u got 14gm ice rain and only a mw mystic badge

Sounds like u just gotta drop util for more ice rains and get a better badge

[marble hemlock]

does the mystic badge that much of a difference though? it seems like it should have almost no affect on you rotation

[jagged hull]

Probably cheaper to get purple massive snowball (should be in the 1500-2000 range) than virtuous mystic badge

They both have the same effect of allowing you to use Cold Snap after the first 8 second period ends.

Dont know how the rest of your rotation lines up with blue Force Blast.

[swift path]

I don't think ice is playable on anything 60+ I spoke to a lot of fms out there once they hear 100 ping nop just shift to char or beam best is beam for such ping

Playable for sure is, you will just lack a lot of dps you should be doing

[jagged hull]

You should definetly look at the counts youre getting

[marble hemlock]

What should the counts be?

also ty all for the responses so far ❤️

[jagged hull]

We'll need to get that answer from someone who does play ice

For reference though, I was doing about 15k on CS with approx 7,5% damage worth of less gear (ap and crit/critdmg) on blue char gm14 (at lv53, no sum, low ping)

[loud linden]

Anyway, FM in PvP has been ruined. Tornado no longer removes the spin from the Destroyer. The KFM only needs to block, and you can't hit him. At least in the live version, you had skills to guarantee an opening against your opponent, but here it seems very unbalanced.

[distant inlet]

There is no pvp in neo

There is only pve vs players.

[loud linden]

But versus kfm Is impossibile apply

Counter block everything

[distant inlet]

Kfm doesnt do dmg so just ignore them

Make sure they dont steal horn and gg

Kfm can't hit you if you never stop moving, dumb class

[loud linden]

Ye i know but actually situation Is very bad for this game

[distant inlet]

Not rlly, pvp is useless

So it doesnt hurt the game

[rancid surge]

hello guys, is force master ping friendly?

[jagged hull]

Dragonchar and ice rain arent

Beam should be

[rancid surge]

ok, ty

[rancid surge]

between WinD BD and Beam FM wich one have better dps?

[slow magnet]

Wind BD on equal gear

[slow magnet]

You are also missing purple force blast in addition to either virtuous badge or purple massive snowball which is hurting your uptime on coldsnap buff

[rancid surge]

with high ping? like 200 ms?

[slow magnet]

That I have no idea, if wind BD gets crippled to the point of doing less than beam.

[rancid surge]

ok ty

[thorny fable]

Good afternoon. Please tell me what is the correct interpretation in ace rain?

[brittle junco]

Im the same as your gear and dmg 14k CS and 11k HT which is normal
We need only purple ice rain it will make your dmg from 11k HT to 14k Also u miss massive snowball purple and the 1 skill purple which is not expensive to get only wait 1 to back to its normal price 2.5k maximum

[wise umbra]

My friend plays wind bd, with 100ms, and had a oportunity to play at 5ms for a weak when he were traveling, his dummy parse only have got up by 1-2k, considering his 30-32k parses at 100ms, for 200ms idk

[fervent pond]

i heard wind bd is more forgiving with ping

even with just a 30 ping change, my dps on ice rain changed a lot

[jagged hull]

You wont gain 30% from purple ice rain

The skill itself only gains 17,9% going to purple

And ice rain isnt 100% of your dps either.

[brittle junco]

You will tested it

[jagged hull]

Char can be cast significantly more with purple

From what Ive heard this is not the case on Ice Rain

[brittle junco]

No one like char

We play ice rain or we die

[jagged hull]

Tell that to help

[brittle junco]

Help can help himself i cant

[brittle junco]

Ok @marble hemlock as what Salacia said we need purple lmb and rmb as well and we good to go

+no char don’t listen to her

The thing is the game can’t continue with harder dungeons while 95% of the players cant even play harber so
My genius theory said they will give us more purple books from the next big update so we can all keep up or we will quit, so my purple ice rain will come for free next event or update ez or else we we we will quit

And no char its for slow boring players

[fervent pond]

not so much a theory as more copium

[median sonnet]

its a bit of a copium theory

but its not wrong!

hufffff

[brittle junco]

Just say im smart goddamit

[median sonnet]

ehh

[valid walrus]

someone sell me cheap purple ice rain

[radiant dagger]

i have one draonchar for sell

[valid walrus]

[radiant dagger]

[median sonnet]

@teal jetty

just a screenshot of the combat log

like dis

[teal jetty]

ok 1 sec

[median sonnet]

shiii

its a separate hit

nice

[teal jetty]

do u need my stats or is that all?

[median sonnet]

no i was just curious if its a separate entry in the log

or if the damage is added to the second cast

[teal jetty]

sounds good, glad i could help

[median sonnet]

yo @radiant dagger what is that build ur cookin

how do you keep up burn

[jagged hull]

Balefire stock 📈

(not really)

[radiant dagger]

i cant keep burn

[median sonnet]

[radiant dagger]

just wait for new kr patch

[median sonnet]

dont make me go through the patch notes...

spill the beans, whats changin

[teal jetty]

Do you happen to know how much accuracy is needed for next patch?

[radiant dagger]

i dont real care about burn btw

just wait for new kr update

[median sonnet]

do you mean an update on the eu server from kr, or a new update on the kr server itself?

[median sonnet]

word through the grapevine is you need at least 2k, at lvl 55

[median sonnet]

and then you can subtract 1k per lvl i guess

[radiant dagger]

ez

[median sonnet]

wtf

[radiant dagger]

yeah ,why try hard

[median sonnet]

they basically said, u guys fk up kd all the time anyways

so dont even try

[jagged hull]

💀

[radiant dagger]

i use my soul to kd anyway

im fine

[median sonnet]

i use my... uhh

positive thoughts

to support my teammates, as they kd

[radiant dagger]

so yeah

that shoud been , next patch update

maybe

[median sonnet]

[radiant dagger]

idk

[median sonnet]

hmm, this was before msp

so maybe we get it with lab

[radiant dagger]

this was even before warlock

[median sonnet]

also

[radiant dagger]

so

soon

[median sonnet]

ur doing this much damage, with ur half burn build?

[radiant dagger]

ah we get lab on next path

[median sonnet]

yea

its prolly gonna be impossible at lvl 55 tho

[radiant dagger]

i mean, burn not giv you alot damage anyway

..

[median sonnet]

i guess on char its not that much huh

like it is on beam

[radiant dagger]

yeah

not on char

[median sonnet]

also

why not deadlock

[median sonnet]

[radiant dagger]

too long gcd

[median sonnet]

still, if ur gonna slot a balefire for 1 more second off cooldown, might as well have this too

is my thought pattern

[radiant dagger]

neh , 1 more secound off,mean you get

burn 1 sec faster

but yeah, that just how i playing fm

so idk

maybe im wrong

[median sonnet]

right

[fervent pond]

What build is it

[median sonnet]

the infamous

balefire cd reduction char build

[fervent pond]

Balefire cd red?

I’m not following

[median sonnet]

hes got 3 purple balefires

to reduce cd

by 2 sec

[fickle glen]

cold snap emotional support gang

[fervent pond]

Oh LMAO

[jagged hull]

The perfect recommendation for people who complain about purple lmb

[median sonnet]

emotional support

thats one way to describe cold snap

i wouldnt use cold snap, cuz its fail rp

ur supposed to burn the enemy u cant just throw ice on him

[radiant dagger]

This is one of the reasons I use

i dont like use 1xx on world boss

xD

[jagged hull]

It's about sending a message

[median sonnet]

just to flex on them?

aight

[radiant dagger]

but yeah ,

i have like 4 leftover skill book

for other build

[median sonnet]

beam?

[radiant dagger]

neh

[median sonnet]

that other build..

[radiant dagger]

like

[jagged hull]

ice sf with less soul

[radiant dagger]

if no bleed in team

i will switch for duel dragon

for that

[median sonnet]

ooooh

thats what you mean by other build

[radiant dagger]

but yeah , something like that

xDD

and if i want try 1 x x

something like that ,yeah but i never use them

[median sonnet]

also

deadlock has to be better than cold snap at least

[radiant dagger]

yeah

idk maybe

[median sonnet]

cuz you dont reduce its cd right, its 30 sec

[radiant dagger]

deadlock was 1min

0.0

[median sonnet]

no

cold snap

i mean

[jagged hull]

Char with Ice badge 🤯

[median sonnet]

its 30 sec

[radiant dagger]

ah

idk , like i can do 3x draonchar with that gcd i have on deadlock

make not much sense

[median sonnet]

isnt it the same with deadlock tho

[radiant dagger]

cold snap `? you mean

[median sonnet]

ye

my brain is fried

[radiant dagger]

neh , cold snap only 300ms,

[median sonnet]

[median sonnet]

[radiant dagger]

that same as speed draonchar

[median sonnet]

char is 400

[radiant dagger]

and , damage was same, or abit higher

[median sonnet]

but on the other hand

[radiant dagger]

neh 300

[median sonnet]

yea idk why it says that

its wrong, its 400

if it was 300 you could get 3.33 chars a second

[radiant dagger]

emmmm idk then

[median sonnet]

but yea

i get the point

still its a lot of focus

[radiant dagger]

all about focus

then you get gold draonchar

no more issue maybe

[median sonnet]

does gold char still cost 2 when boosted?

[jagged hull]

gold dragonchar gives you the fps issues

[median sonnet]

any videos of gold char?

[jagged hull]

I think there was one posted here a while back

[median sonnet]

[jagged hull]

Was like a kr or cn website

I think

[fickle glen]

help did

its gold

.

[jagged hull]

Good old tuvalu

[median sonnet]

fk me

which pixel is the char

[jagged hull]

all of them

[fickle glen]

Yes!

[uncut wigeon]

Do you mind sharing ur setup/char page? Can’t F3 you on NA 😢

[median sonnet]

looks like boosted gold char costs 3 focus

sajj

[brittle junco]

what is this the guy send me a web site hmmmmm, is that normal ?

[jagged hull]

Can you even send websites in whispers

[fickle glen]

you can link

quests

and it will direct you to the quest page

of neo

but it doesnt show quests!

[median sonnet]

of course it doesnt

[brittle junco]

So he is hacker or no ?

[median sonnet]

help the man

[pallid grotto]

@radiant dagger stop the dc propaganda

Yue has like 3ms or something, don't mind

[brittle junco]

He lvl 10 its sus

[fickle glen]

he is

[median sonnet]

yea cuz hes neww!!

[fickle glen]

asking for the

quest

tell him to wait on the middle of that area

it spawns like every 5 mins iirc

[brittle junco]

Maybe because i see the website i thought he is a hacker but wait who want to hack my poor character anyway im silly 😂

[median sonnet]

how do you even link quests btw

i want to try to hack some people too

[jagged hull]

I think this one involves killing the mobs around it

At least ive never seen it just sit there

[median sonnet]

yea you need to kill some mobs

thatts not a lvl 10 accesible quest tho

[brittle junco]

Guys are u dump ? He is lvl 10 and know about the link thing that i dont know

[median sonnet]

[brittle junco]

So he is a hacker

[fickle glen]

you literally

link everything in game

same way

[median sonnet]

oh

[brittle junco]

Oh shiit im stupid then

[fickle glen]

jackpot!

[brittle junco]

Let me help the guy i flamed him for no reason

What a poor guy

[median sonnet]

what did you say to him

[brittle junco]

I said nothing 🤐

[fickle glen]

I just got kicked from pt cuz blue dragonchar didn't like my purple palm

okay bro

[median sonnet]

there there

this channel is a support network for purple palm kick victims

[fickle glen]

bro

its fkinb blue dragonchar

guy will deal 10k anyway

??????????????

[median sonnet]

blue dragonchar users matter too

omg

im so dum

purple palm stacks explosions are a different instance of damage in the log

why did i think they wouldnt be

[fickle glen]

I agree

Government should support them with a free rope

[median sonnet]

[jagged hull]

A rope to catch the evil purple palm users

[median sonnet]

damm

gets kicked once and now is in favour of segregation and genocide for that group of people

[fickle glen]

its the ego

people think they are top dps and others are just leech

[brittle junco]

No its just u making people having bad time with your palm

[fickle glen]

you see

[median sonnet]

i mean if he had blue beam he was prolly lower ap too, i dont think he thought he has more dmg than you...

[fickle glen]

if you dont have any dps

you shouldn't complain about what others use

like this case

[brittle junco]

No no no

[fickle glen]

bro is on wheelchair

2k cdmg but surely will be 30k top dps 👍

[median sonnet]

i misstyped

i meant dmg

[brittle junco]

U are racist hera

[median sonnet]

this guy

[brittle junco]

Racist

[jagged hull]

For all we know this person actually has 5000 cdmg

Poor blue char users

[fickle glen]

If you did play live long enough you would knew this is a compliment

[median sonnet]

well

launch live was in the 2016s

it was a different time back then...

[jagged hull]

Those were the days

[fickle glen]

until

frenchs

came

[jagged hull]

Didnt they have their own server

[median sonnet]

[fickle glen]

merge

[median sonnet]

[jagged hull]

Was merge in 2016?

[fickle glen]

no

after that

but we are in 2025

literally everything was like 6-7 years ago

you guys getting old

accept it

2016 isnt 3 years ago..

[median sonnet]

nu uh

[jagged hull]

Its 4 years ago

[median sonnet]

everyone else is getting old but not me

im still hip and young

https://tenor.com/view/fellow-kids-no-text-how-do-you-do-clip-meme-gif-25672029

sht is bussin

on a stack

[brittle junco]

What i was monster back then

[median sonnet]

rizzler alert

[brittle junco]

Im a guy its the character u know they love my creation let me send u my new elizabeth

[fickle glen]

wait

ur turkish

that explains alot..

WELL WELL WELL

[median sonnet]

different race/nationality detected

[median sonnet]

did you

[brittle junco]

😂🤝🏻

[median sonnet]

take a photo of ur screen

[fickle glen]

of his screenshot*

[brittle junco]

The discord on my phone

Its faster that way

[fickle glen]

that makes another question

[fickle glen]

why u have this ss on ur phone

[brittle junco]

XD

[median sonnet]

[brittle junco]

What ss ?

Forgot the phone how is my character ha ?

Niceeeeeee

[harsh nymph]

EU WTB PM

[brittle junco]

u wasting your gold putting your stuff in triple the price no one will buy them

Guyssssssss wft why fm market is the worst ???? Force blast worth 10k who selling ittt ?????????????????????????? At this point i will start saving for purple ice rain no more useless expensive overpriced books

[jagged hull]

Would be surprised if other classes dont have the same happening

[brittle junco]

I did check sins and kfms since i play both only the main dmg skills are expensive

In terms of usefulness massive snowball is better and its 2k

Only one guy holding 1 the force blast listing it between 15k and 10k which is crazy

[late coral]

WTB PURPLE BLAZING PALM EU

[maiden raft]

wts NA

[fleet wolf]

54k on Char alone is crazi, is that 60 stacks?

[rare nest]

WTB PURPLE DRAGONCHAR EU PM ME

[tame mauve]

any blazing beam enjoyers ? this is my alt skillset (+ blazing palm meteor shower and another blazing beam not shown) and i still have 3 more skill slots what do i get ?

more beams or is there a skill i missed

[ocean forge]

three beam bro

[slow magnet]

idk i threw up a frost fury for 3950 last week and somoene bought it LMAO

[brittle junco]

You doing great if u don’t miss any skill like the grab or so, u can stack more beams for now

[slow magnet]

screw frost sheath, veil and skyburn

3 more beams

[tame mauve]

yea fms in my parties xD

no cc , no utility , when doing most dmg they still kite at 16 m and let us melees be miserable

[jagged hull]

Should still have veil and frost sheath at least on a secondary acc for chef and poha

I guess veil doesnt need a skillbook since its not like you can dps during phase.

[slow magnet]

you can just use the no book veil for slashimi

poh people can use HM block to block the ice

[jagged hull]

Still pretty common thing people rely on FM for

[slow magnet]

or if you really want, do the mechanic correctly and pull the levers

theres also levers on slashimi that frost the party for the steam damage

[sleek musk]

Sheath is just a waste of a skill slot. Blame the game design

[slow magnet]

its the worst party iframe and can grief team mates by messing with their rotations

[sleek musk]

Indeed

[slow magnet]

i only use in 6v6 and BSH2 when i want to stop my team mate from opening the valour stone chest

using sheath puts them into combat

[sleek musk]

lol

Yeah, no point using it when u can simply have hmb

[ocean forge]

So true kYUREM always speaking facts

[slow magnet]

Any NA Dragonchar buyers?

[brittle junco]

When the new dungeons will come ? As i said in my theory im waiting for a push (the purple skill selection chest) u know the free players are struggling here

[slow magnet]

Probably when BP ends

[radiant dagger]

yes

[knotty torrent]

should I be using meteor shower in my rotation? or is it a dps loss to use it instead of another beam

[fleet wolf]

Meteor/ Wall + badge if ur Beam, considerable dps boost

[knotty torrent]

do I need the pink badge for meteor cooldown reduction or is blue fine

[fickle glen]

higher the better

[grand pier]

WTB purple dragonchar pm me

eu

[median sonnet]

@radiant dagger mister help

did you have meter on for the wb?

[radiant dagger]

you mean?

dps

[median sonnet]

ye but

what im curious about

is counts

of skils

[radiant dagger]

ah

[median sonnet]

thanks

[faint stone]

Do you not 2rt, just 2r?

[radiant dagger]

very less

2rt

[faint stone]

Ah i see, ill give it a try for focus and dmg

Cause when char is boosted, my lmb don’t come out as much

[brittle junco]

72k is that even possible at the current stage of the game ?

0 ms i think

The server is on your house roof i guess

[balmy moth]

wts dragonchar NA

[radiant dagger]

Neh.

My ms just fine. About 25 something

[molten flint]

isn't it just.. many targets since char is aoe..

[radiant dagger]

That was wb

I used to do more on dummy

[fervent pond]

new dps meter has boss list too that only shows dmg on boss

[fickle glen]

You guys don't have multiple world bosses?

[jagged hull]

Is that how cinderlands gets all their drops

[median sonnet]

truuu

[zealous coyote]

Is it worth putting my cold snap in my macro? i have the purple mystic badge so im pressing it quite often

[slow magnet]

I manually use 1 X Z

macroing them can be finicky because of the stance requirement to use X Z

[zealous coyote]

cant you just macro it so it gets used after T?

[slow magnet]

only if you actually like

put delays to use each button only once

normally the macro is spamming the buttons way faster than they can actually cast

[zealous coyote]

i just locked the fire z and x buttons so i cant use them i just dont know how much ms get wasted macroing it

[slow magnet]

if its spamming keys it might use lmb first depending on what comes up and what gets queued

[jagged hull]

Even with delays you cant really guarantee the order

Unless you put the delays so high the macro isnt really useful for fm

[zealous coyote]

my problem is that i need to stop my normal macro to press z x and 1 or else it takes me up to 10 sec for the button to go through if i just hold it down so its a massive dps loss

[slow magnet]

thats why i just do it manually and weave lmb and rmb

[zealous coyote]

i did some bay lee runs to test it out and its the same dmg output +- 0.5k dps which can be caused by crit luck so i guess im just gonna stick to the old trusty macro

[swift path]

WTB Purple blazing beam EU pm please

[tame mauve]

guys im new to fm so i tried to search whats the skill that blocks approach and couldnt find it

if anybody can tip me

[faint stone]

If you apply ice to them then enemies can’t use approach skill

[tame mauve]

and what procs freeze atm i noticed ss

[lone heart]

tab got parry but cd is 18s / purple is 10s if you parry

[frank canopy]

WTS EU Pm me

[pallid grotto]

WTB EU

[swift path]

WTB Meteor/BlazingBeam EU

[brittle junco]

What is better to get first purple frost palm (RB) or purple force blast (1) for ice 🧊 build ?? I have both blue

[brittle junco]

Nvm i got the blast for smother rotation

Fk the dmg smother rotation is more fun

[uncut wigeon]

whoever keeps listing those dchars that expire on NA I'll buy for 25k

[rough crow]

I'll pay 26k

[jagged hull]

NA moment

[sharp grotto]

i sold all my chars for 12k each on eu

stop overpaying

in a dead game

[pallid grotto]

.. :)

[uncut wigeon]

they're being listed for 40-50k each NA lol

[pallid grotto]

NA is always inflated prices

[harsh nymph]

blast

[median sonnet]

who did you sell them to

[sharp grotto]

idk

[median sonnet]

oh, on market

cuz my friend suddenly went from having 2 purple chars to 7

[candid heart]

How should dragonchar rotation be like? Do I need to keep pressing 2 continuously to have it maximum boost, (faster attack) or I can do lmb>rmb>2>lmb, this kind of rotation? All of them are blue book. Like press c then continuous dragonchar.

[jagged hull]

You need to have Burn (1 and fire C skills) on the enemy to boost it

Its more about the focus cost reduction then actually making it cast faster

[candid heart]

I have no problem in focus regen.

[jagged hull]

Blue char casts significantly less quickly than purple

[candid heart]

Because I see others when it is boosted, they just spam 2, and skipping all other skill

[jagged hull]

Honestly

I havent really noticed much of a difference between 2 vs 2r vs 2rt spam

With purple char that is

[jagged hull]

You can spam (only) 2 while you have sufficient focus regen active

[candid heart]

What is 2r and 2rt

Does the dps go higher if I spam 2?

[jagged hull]

R is lmb and T is rmb

Which are used because the engine handles spamming keyboard keys better than mouse keys

Not entirely sure if thats still necessary, but it seemed to be for me.

(I can send you a screenshot of how to set that up in a couple of minutes)

[jagged hull]

You can do that during your opener, after c and v.

[brittle junco]

Already got it thanks alot 🌹

[candid heart]

Thank you so much

[uncut wigeon]

WTS NA

[swift path]

WTB Purple Meteor/BlazingBeam EU

[tame mauve]

yo whats fm minimum dummy dps to even think about beating junghado ?

[distant inlet]

I beat Junghado on a fresh lvl 45 FM with blue dragonchar and green stack.
580 AP, 800 cr and 500cd.

[tame mauve]

and what was ur dps on blue char

those stats looks lower than my current ones

[distant inlet]

On bbr like 6-7k

But dps doesn't mater, Junghado got ultra nerfed

[tame mauve]

just hp nerf

[distant inlet]

I killed him by only LB-RB'ing to test and still had 1m40s left on the enrage time

Did 3k dps

[tame mauve]

u chose fm/archer 1st floor right ?

[distant inlet]

Yes and that is the hardest floor.

[tame mauve]

will give it a try

[median sonnet]

just need to cheese em with veil

and ice tab when veil is on cd

[jagged hull]

Des is practically harmless

[frank canopy]

Is the game that dead already ? Barely any leggy FM accesories in F5

in EU

like 2 gloves 1 bracelet

wtf

[distant inlet]

Tell the game to actually drop stuff.

I've done 150 mujins and only got 1 leggy

Ppl quit cuz the low droprate and the ppl playing aren't getting loot

[slow magnet]

Don't really wanna just list stuff randomly because of listing fee and short list duration

I almost always post in world chat, find a buyer and negotiation price, then put it up and have them buy it when it shows up.

The listing fee is 2% of the listing price in the form of gold.

For 12 hours only

[frank canopy]

Kinda kills the thing for cinderland sadly

Since it's lower playerbase

[distant inlet]

Nah

[slow magnet]

The market is cross server

[frank canopy]

Yeah but chat is not

[slow magnet]

NA there's a bunch of discord servers people post in too or in here as well people post WTS

[distant inlet]

It's not that Cinderlands is lower playerbase, It's that the whales are either geared enough (from buying Noush n Noushka's gear) or ppl just aren't whale enough.

Whales are giga whale, Dolphins are struggling and can't afford stuff

[slow magnet]

The other day someone posted wts ice rain in here, I message them and agreed on a price and then bought it

Just mention that you are EU so NA players don't start messaging you lol

I thought I was getting a good deal on a purple sunflower cuz he was gunna sell for 45k

Then I realized that was eu lol

Rip

[distant inlet]

That's even high for EU standard

[slow magnet]

55k is like low on NA

But people still buy 60k because they're kinda rare to see

Because purple gambling is the worst on summoner compared to any other class

[pallid grotto]

only 2 purple skills u'd really want i guess, other classes got like 2-3 main skills and 3-4 more that could give some profit 😄