Force Master

[distant inlet]

The guy is a BD

Need I say more?

[jagged hull]

Some

[lyric stump]

BD and BM are busted classes, he should do at lease 23k+

[distant inlet]

The class is busted

But BD players share 1 IQ across the lot of them

[opal bolt]

So still 1 IQ more than all FMs?

[tranquil prawn]

@pallid grotto i normaly use dd cause in most groups people don't apply bleed

At least the ones im playing with

[tranquil prawn]

Slight dps loss though compared to stacking another bb

But if you help with bleed uptime in your group its a big dps increase

[lyric stump]

whats better in bb build, blue frost palm or purple ice sheet?

ik palm is good cus it doesn't take focus, but i really don't run into focus issues

its been sitting on my stash forever

[graceful hawk]

Ice sheet has slower animation I think

It doesn't have the increases attack speed text

[pallid grotto]

does it do much compared to 1 stack?

[tranquil prawn]

What do you mean compared to 1 stack?

It always applies 5 stacks bleed if you use dd

And as far as i know hae Mujin Regens around 3mil hp over the 5 minute fight

So if your group doesn't have 100% uptime on bleed dd is giga worth it

The bleed dmg alone you can prob ignore. That's kinda low

Bleed alone + raw dmg from purple dd compared to white, should be around the same as 6 bb grandmaster for you cause you're over 36 stacks anyway

Should be 6.6% grandmaster from beam which you lose which isn't a lot anyway considering you're over 60% gm anyway

Personally that's the reason why i run dd badge over wall cd badge

I lose a bit dmg but can have bleed aoe uptime close to 100% all the time

[graceful hawk]

A player that understands that lowering his personal dps but increasing the party overall dps is a good thing? Wth man

[tranquil prawn]

If im on the lower dps site anyway in my group its worth it

• bleed is a must have in the higher dungeons

[fickle glen]

honestly this game needs sin in a party to be playable

sin cheese, bleed, taxi

i love that class when its not against me in beluga 🥰

only braindead people would have that issue

[pallid grotto]

Sin has bleed?

On which skills?

Books required?

I have sin in my static and might ditch my bleed so need2know

[fickle glen]

Purple shuriken thingy

They use it on their rotation anyway with no cd

[heady bolt]

anyone have best macro for ice rain?

[fickle glen]

my 2trzx1 macro works really good when I'm on kitchen cooking 👍

[heady bolt]

V ? for frost sheet?

[fickle glen]

oh nvm

ignore that part

its different skill

2trzx1

👍

just use 2tr tho

[heady bolt]

ignore F?

[fickle glen]

cast it manual

[heady bolt]

okay, thankyou!

[frank canopy]

Is Noush quitting or what

[carmine thistle]

WTS EU

[frank canopy]

Enjoy ur next game man

[tranquil prawn]

Only 2 mantra slots. Time to switch to a better neck

[naive idol]

It is a reminder to those that are switching from ice to char/beam build

Or just in general, not everyone knows how it doesn't help much for a purple book

Aside from detonating your own embers

[fickle glen]

💀

what

this is more painful than watching my kaari spins

[naive idol]

For ice FM sure, but fire is pain

[fickle glen]

only pain if you dont know how to use it

i

f it was bad no fm would use it

[naive idol]

Oh for sure

Just that not everyone knows how to use it

[tranquil prawn]

If you play as fire with an ice fm in your group who got palm

Just accept your fate

[fickle glen]

where is my please emote

blush

doomed

[tranquil prawn]

You deal less dps which also means you wont need to tank

Can't get better

[fervent pond]

honestly true, hate tanking as an fm

everything is circle tank then your party members have the balls to ask why the boss is moving so much

[fickle glen]

its not the tanking, its the mobs

low tier dungeons have always stupid knockbacks/dazes on their hit

[fervent pond]

or undodgeables

fkin slashimi

[naive idol]

Use Imitation to tank

[fervent pond]

hell no

[naive idol]

I once tanked Blackwyrm with Imitation, trust

[pallid grotto]

I sometimes intentionally don't apply burn on bosses

So i dun get aggro
It dies anyway

If bosses move meeles lose even more dmg

In the end it is prob faster unless u are far ahead, then u need more balanced team tho

[graceful hawk]

I will keep spin tanking the boss, I will keep F rolling the cc's on basic attacks making the boss move and I will keep using Q/E to dodge attacks making the boss move again

[jagged hull]

Gotta encourage them to increase their dps

[graceful hawk]

If anyone complains I just say get more dmg so you can tank it

[zealous coyote]

first they complain that you tank and then they complain that you dont tank (poh) they better make their mind up

[fickle glen]

I don't think anyone does poh anymore 💀

[zealous coyote]

im not lvl 55 yet so i need that sweet exp

[pale kestrel]

Did I miss some sorta announcement or something? There hasn’t been any insignia chests on the market for 2 days now lol

[naive idol]

Isn't everyone trying to run poh for the 10min run

[jagged hull]

Just a daily quest

[pallid grotto]

if u kill everything before enrage it's kinda below 10min

it's a joke

[pale kestrel]

Support team 10 min is harder than poh or CS lol

[cedar tulip]

Timer doesnt start until you aggro a mob

If your party doesnt aggro that first mob patroling on Chef then you get like 10 extra seconds

[radiant dagger]

I just try. Then I found out I can solo poh below 9 min

[pallid grotto]

Hahah

[odd breach]

for Ice build - 60ms ping
How many IR hit i should do per second ?
And how do i do it ?

[fervent pond]

macro

[lyric stump]

is it better to use 2TR or 2RT as bb? (is there even difference haha)

[cedar tulip]

I do 2TR

[median sonnet]

bro wtf am i reading

people are losing 4k dps due to running with a purple palm user?

[fickle glen]

Rain count changes with force blast tier too

[fickle glen]

You underestimate how many people don't know that bale applies burn

[distant inlet]

"I dont run balefire, inferno, meteor" guy earlier certainly doesn't

[median sonnet]

[lyric stump]

just got my purple palm 😄 finally 4k dps increase

[fickle glen]

We don't gain dps here with purple palm!!!!! Stop spreading lies!!!!!!

[distant inlet]

kratos will never be taken into a party again now

[lyric stump]

[slow magnet]

Purple coldsnap and snowball though

The real dps increases

[fickle glen]

I love purple coldsnap doubled my dps btw but I think I am done with this secret build so I am sharing here also selling one for 20k special for this channel only hit me up for big dps bros

[slow magnet]

Purple coldsnap and then swap some ice rains for ice beam additional damage and frost fire explosion because now you can apply freeze

Big stonks

[lyric stump]

whats the dps requirment for mujin btw ?

[naive idol]

A little over 15k iirc

[lyric stump]

its it the same as bsh1 ? or will my dps get lower cus mujin ?

[median sonnet]

mujin is 1 level higher

so you will do less

[lyric stump]

ah ok

ty

how much accu needed?

[median sonnet]

what level are you?

[lyric stump]

53

[median sonnet]

i think you need 1400+ for 100% hit rate

[lyric stump]

1.3k accu

[median sonnet]

but youll be able to get by with 1.3

[lyric stump]

ty

only 825 ap tho, is it enough ?

[median sonnet]

doesnt rly matter

its gonna make it less likely you are accepted into parties

but in terms of actually clearing the dungeon, only dps matters

[lyric stump]

my luck going down, how much is this sells for ?

[tranquil prawn]

1500

[lyric stump]

before this i got blue ice rain. would be crazy if it was purple kek

smh ice rain's price went back as it was 1.2k

yesterday it was 600-700

[undone compass]

why do so many people think purple palm lowers dps? We got balefire and dd>1 for 100% uptime. So many 💩ers

[frank canopy]

wait next week reset with blue selector

everyone will sell

on selector drop

[pale kestrel]

@undone compass I thought it was meme but I’ve had so many FMs straight up call me a scumbag and leave party after I joined with purple palm lol

[undone compass]

same, it aint our fault they are garbage and dont know how to keep burn

[median sonnet]

also

if ur a ice fm with palm, be considerate, throw in a balefire when you notice the other fm fked up burn

[graceful hawk]

The balefire that we don't have equipped right

[median sonnet]

doesnt ice run balefire for focus regen?

[graceful hawk]

No

[median sonnet]

til

[graceful hawk]

That's 1 more ice rain bro

No focus, no utility, no party sheath only dps

[median sonnet]

so ice doesnt have issues with focus?

[graceful hawk]

I have 3.2k crit rate and I don't have focus problems

[median sonnet]

im happy for u bro

would you have focus problems with less crit tho?

[terse fiber]

I see how it might be annoying since i play beam for now. If DD -> 1 fails to apply burn and balefire is on cd its pretty big dps loss 😄

[graceful hawk]

If you have virtuous mystic and purple force blast you prob don't have any focus issues at all

[median sonnet]

and i mean

[pallid grotto]

📠

[median sonnet]

its annoying sure, but while sometimes dd->1 gets fked, it shouldnt happen more than 1 in 5 times

[graceful hawk]

I only spam like 3 secs without cold snap

[median sonnet]

so it shouldnt rly be a massive dps loss

plus you can stagger ur burn using x

[terse fiber]

Without 1 on 5 stacks its on 2,5 cast time 😄

[median sonnet]

like u wait 1-2 seconds after dd->1

to cast x

and you wait 1 second after first cast

to do second cast

you add 4 more seconds of burn

so even if you fk up the next dd->1, its not as bad

[terse fiber]

Its annoying to do and well you need to stop macro so its more than just casting x again

1-2 gcd is wasted on each cast

[median sonnet]

thats the one argument I can agree with

it is annoying

but if you know how to play ur class you shouldnt be losing massive amounts of dps

[median sonnet]

also

isnt second x no gcd?

or first one

im 99% sure it is

[terse fiber]

it is but if we want to weave some skills in between X casts

Since standing there looking at the boss for 2 seconds to get 2 more seconds of burn i guess would be even worse

[median sonnet]

yea but you shouldnt be standing there looking at the boss for 2 seconds lol

you can do x, hold macro for 1-2 sec

and x again

[terse fiber]

Hopefuly XD

[median sonnet]

or you know

just press lmb rmb

[terse fiber]

Ye thats how it goes. But still annoying if it stops in ice stance so you need to switch.

[median sonnet]

once

yea it takes a bit of pratice

[terse fiber]

I dont have that much issue with it tho but it is annoying as hell

And i guess this issue is not as much related to the class knowledge itself, but more on how they designed this mech

[median sonnet]

ye... not sure who came up with that brilliant ideea, or what he was smoking...

it would have been fine if it was something that affected only you

[terse fiber]

Sins, summoners can work together to stack venom/poison, bleed is from multiple classes

but fm's need to fight like monkeys in a cage on who will pop ember first to get more dps xD

[median sonnet]

that part even, is fine

like the ideea tha someone elses's stacks can buff ur dmg

and vice versa

but the fact that it fucks up shockfire

definite head scratcher

[terse fiber]

Ye true it might be cool, but the fact that one of the builds is screwed because of this gives some "i tested it solo on dummy and it works" vibes from dev team

Its pretty much testing 101

not even that big of an edge case

[median sonnet]

they definitelly know

[undone compass]

if they are messing up dd>1, walk closer so there is less travel time on the projectile.

[median sonnet]

they just chose to keep it in

[graceful hawk]

The worst thing is that it was like that in live and they changed it later on to ember stacks being personal

[median sonnet]

isnt 1 instant?

[terse fiber]

It is not 😄

[median sonnet]

like no travel time

[terse fiber]

beam is instant

[median sonnet]

[terse fiber]

1 has some slight delay

[median sonnet]

im pretty sure beam has travel time

[pallid grotto]

shock fire shares gcd with bb, have to stop dps to not be too "slow" with other palm users
if u use impact f 1 works fine

all skills have travel time yes

[terse fiber]

ill go mushin and check

[median sonnet]

im 999.999% sure dual dragons is just instant damage in an aoe in front ofyou

[pallid grotto]

it's actually not

[median sonnet]

how do you know?

[terse fiber]

DD is instant but BB and Shock Fire has slight delay

[pallid grotto]

actually i can only tell about impact

not dd

[terse fiber]

Actually its more an issue with Shock Fire animation

[pallid grotto]

burn time on twins in mujin was 1s different, one was INSIDE me one was 10m+ away

both got burn, one had 1s longer

[median sonnet]

huh

[pallid grotto]

🍝 code

[median sonnet]

you mean ember?

or bleed?

[pallid grotto]

no, burn

dd - impact

[median sonnet]

how did you burn them both at the same time

xd

oh

impact is aoe

[pallid grotto]

yes?

[median sonnet]

im thinkin of shockfire

[pallid grotto]

nono shockfire is target

[median sonnet]

yeye

[terse fiber]

Shockfire has ugly animation which is longer than BB

[pallid grotto]

but since impact works the same as DD in aoe range i'd assume it's the same

like 0.2s delay from 0m to 10m or something

[median sonnet]

id test it if my pc could record at a high enough fps

all you would need to do is record using impact on 2 enemies

[tranquil prawn]

Question is

Who tf cares about that

[median sonnet]

but just by looking, char and dd seem to be instant

[tranquil prawn]

[median sonnet]

people in chat rn?

[terse fiber]

Soo kinda checked and it seems like Shockfire has 200ms time between cast and dmg

big enough to get unlucky 😄

[pallid grotto]

stay close and it's less

if u have high ping and stay far is gg

[terse fiber]

Actually its weird in a way. It looks like shock fire is instant once animation is done

But bb has travel time

BB animation + travel on 12m is around 180ms

so bb will be faster if closer, but shock fire will not

Overall its something we can live with sure, but they fkd up with the design of it 😄

[pallid grotto]

bb travels faster than lmb rmb

impact is linear from instant near to some delay at 10-12m, above that is no extra delay
dd probably same but "feels" more instant

whoever coded this was like "yea.. this is fine"

gotta finish before clocking out, nobody will notice

[median sonnet]

did you like, look at a vid you recorded?

[terse fiber]

Yes. And played it with 0.1 speed

[median sonnet]

can you do the same test for dual dragons?

[terse fiber]

sure but in 30 mins since my dinner is ready 😄

[median sonnet]

[terse fiber]

But from just looking its way faster even on distance

[median sonnet]

whenever u can

[terse fiber]

I would guess its around 100ms or less between animation start and dmg counting

but will try to check. And it still will be rough estimate. Best would be to check frame by frame but i would need to download programs for it. Not worth 😄

[median sonnet]

if you send me the vid i can check

also

i assume you tested shockfire at different distances

and delay was the same?

[terse fiber]

It seems that Shockfire also is faster when closer. My bad then. Tested on 16,12,8,4 and 0m

Or not? 😄

16m - 0.38.89 - 0.40.83
12m - 2.14.00 - 2.15.84
8m - 3.51.67 - 3.54.00
4m - 5.24.83 - 5.26.99
0m - 7.00.83 - 7.02.83

I guess its just around 200ms

from the moment skill is counted as used (animation starting) to damage showing up

Formatting is weird i know but its due to slowing down 0.1

[median sonnet]

yea seems like its 200ms

all the time

and dual dragons?

[terse fiber]

Same thing 😮

tested on 16m 6m and 0m

16m - 0.04.38 - 0.06.21
6m - 3.24.21 - 3.26.21
0m - 6.40.21 - 6.42.21

But it looks faster somehow 😄

I guess thats some bns magic right there

[median sonnet]

so I guess they both have some sort of animation, and after the animation is done, the damage gets applied instantly

so the myth is busted, it doesnt matter at what range you do the dd->1 at, its the same sht

[terse fiber]

With Shock Fire at least

Not sure about impact

[median sonnet]

also, and this might be harder to test, but can you do a "animation cancel" test, like where you do 1 and dd at the same time, and check if its still a 200ms pause between when the dd damage is applied and the 1 damage is applied

at any distance ofc

[terse fiber]

Tbh id prefer not 😄 Need to do dailies xD

[median sonnet]

fair

[ocean forge]

I love Alex he is so smart and handsome and tall and beautiful and everything really, just an amazing forcemaster player

[fickle glen]

gay

[median sonnet]

[ocean forge]

extra many homo

[fickle glen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1257337976946425887/1350178071298445417/9nes7g.gif

[terse fiber]

But that would introduce another variable of time between 2 inputs etc. Harder to actually test

[ocean forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193429164955541554/1363926256214609972/9rhaj6.gif

[median sonnet]

well, the only thing you would test is if the time between damage applications can ever be lower than 200ms

you wouldnt care how much it took from button press to damage application

[terse fiber]

i guess i could try using macro to press them both at once

or with like 10 ms delay

Hmm it kinda works XD

new meta. separate button for this single combo :v

[median sonnet]

i always felt like a macro for dd->1 never did it quite right

so i stuck to doing it manually

tho its hard to tell by just looking

[terse fiber]

Well im using single cast F -> 10ms -> 1

works on every distance

[median sonnet]

and

whats the time gap

[terse fiber]

Didnt revord yet just tested if it works a few times

wouldnt want to check and then it will stop working xD

[median sonnet]

good good

[terse fiber]

HMMMM

Now that i looked at it i maybe should've looked at combat logs not the actual damage popping up

Since DD damage shows up in logs 100ms before it even shows on target

Ember is applied on target in 100ms

And with this ShockFire is registered 300ms after casting

[median sonnet]

well thats fked

[terse fiber]

So it might be that DD is registered faster but dmg showing is delayed

as we assumed around 100ms

but I think there is some autobias in play

since shockfire cast by itself never got to 300

and its logs line up with dmg on screen somehow

Annoying xD

[median sonnet]

so let me get this straight, you cast dd and then shockfire, and dd registers after 100ms

and shockfire after 300ms?

or 300 after dd?

[terse fiber]

Yes in logs it registers after 100ms, after another 100ms its showing up as dmg on target

Ah no. its 300ms after casting both of them

with 10ms delay between on macro

so pretty instant cast of both

[median sonnet]

and is the actual cast 10ms after?

[terse fiber]

Ah!

it is 100ms after!

[median sonnet]

[terse fiber]

But macro itself does it in 10ms thats for sure

[median sonnet]

well thats cooked

[terse fiber]

it just got queued

and fired up 100ms later

[median sonnet]

i think what that means is the actual animation for dd

is 100ms

or, not the animation but how long it takes to "happen"

[terse fiber]

Yup

DD after 100ms applies 5 ember and does dmg

Shockfire takes 200ms

its counted on around 20 ping so might be worse on higher

[median sonnet]

so while you are animation canceling, its not casting the shockfire faster, it just casts it as soon as it can

which means

there is no real way to optimize this, theres always going to be a 200ms period in between ember application and shockfire

in which someone can yoink ur stacks

[terse fiber]

Yup seems like it

Big question now is if the skill queue is firing up every 100ms? 😄

[median sonnet]

wdym

[terse fiber]

Well 2 skills got queued at the same time, and DD got cast imidiately, and Shockfire after 100ms

[median sonnet]

i think thats just cause dd takes 100ms no?

like if you do 1->dd it should be after 200

[terse fiber]

Might be true. Since animation lock

Btw i noticed that pressing RT super quickly makes frost palm lag a little, but longer delay will cast them pretty much together

[median sonnet]

interesting

tho it might just be visual

[terse fiber]

Well both have animation and projectile 😄

and its not that fast

[terse fiber]

btw @median sonnet what is your dps on bloodmane?

And did you try purple blazing wall instead of meteors?

[median sonnet]

uuh, it kinda varies a lot

around 22k?

[terse fiber]

damn

[median sonnet]

i didnt

not sure how good it is, it does more damage, but it cucks palm stacks to do it

and it doesn't give the 5 focus meteor does

with all that, its still prolly better, but idk by how much

[terse fiber]

im planning on switching to chars soon. And thinking about the focus issues

[median sonnet]

def recommend deadlock

[terse fiber]

its a veil variation?

[median sonnet]

ye

gives 20 focus over 15 sec

or 14 idk

[terse fiber]

oh didnt know lol

[median sonnet]

it gives 4 focus, every 3 sec or smth

(at purple)

[tranquil prawn]

Blazing wall gaming

[terse fiber]

And what is your starting rotation? Deadlock, burn and go ham with chars?

Or just balefire and chars, then deadlock after applying burn from 1 and more chars

[candid heart]

I don’t have dps meter, I have blue dragonchar doing 8k, and blue blazing beam doing 11k, what is my dps respectively?

[uncut wigeon]

lol

[median sonnet]

i like to use deadlock + c and v, and then I hold down 2 for 8 seconds

then I use f->1->x->x->v and then rt2 macro

but with deadlock + c+v you need to wave in a char or 2 between all those skills, otherwise you waste focus, you wana weave in chars also to start with boosted char, so you dont wait the 1 second gcd while c and v are ticking

[fickle glen]

is

tsk rank 1 fm now?

[pallid grotto]

cinder yes

adding moon defo not

[fickle glen]

cinderlands on top 🙏

I think you are the highest gear after help?

or u still missing 2 beams 🤔

[jagged hull]

Dont know about beam, but you can expect your blue char to be about 50% of your damage.

[odd breach]

For Ice Rain build.
i do 2 R T after Z and my Ice Rain hit rate about 1.7/s. i heard that 3/s will be good. any suggestions ?

[terse fiber]

Whats your ping

[odd breach]

40~65

i use macro 2 R T at 20ms

[terse fiber]

Might be hard. THis ping is pretty high

[odd breach]

what would be ideal ping ?

[jagged hull]

0

[odd breach]

lol

[terse fiber]

Literally sitting in server room

with ethernet cable directly connected to your pc 😄

but good is between 10-20

[odd breach]

i see. i should have go for DD build lol

[terse fiber]

If you are on blue rain is fine

dd is viable from purple

[jagged hull]

Dual Dragons?

[terse fiber]

AH DC sorry XD

had discussion about dd today and i guess im still in it 😄

[odd breach]

i mean DC.

[terse fiber]

do you have purple or blue rain?

[odd breach]

im using blue rain. looking for purple

[terse fiber]

So you are good for now. Blue rain is pretty good

for purple you might need to think if you'd like to switch or keep rain

[odd breach]

so in purple rank: DC > Rain ?

with my ping 40 ~ 60ms

[terse fiber]

No idea tbh

but both are viable

[signal linden]

anyone have macro xmouse for fm blazing beam with 50ms

[sharp grotto]

wts/wtt all my fm gear for bns live items

[terse fiber]

[opal bolt]

[pallid grotto]

can someone elaborate

u get 500 more crit
and ur critrate goes down 3-4% on average

:)

[jagged hull]

Did you level up

[pallid grotto]

no

parsing on dummy was avg 70-73%

now best i get is like 65

in dungs avg 58-60 now it's 55 max

my assumption is crit value is based on tiers, once u hit a certain threshhold u get put into higher tier, higher max crit but also low end is impacted
and knowing rng in this game low end wins

idk this sh** is just weird

[jagged hull]

Anything you can unequip/change that mostly only leads to less crit?

[pallid grotto]

charts show % chances on flat values but ehh..

nop

the dmg increased yes
but the critrate seems poop

[brittle junco]

I have like 150ms playing ice rain is fun i did try bb today it add 3-4k dmg increase, but did not like it. I think i need to change fm since my ping dose not allow me to play what i like 😩

Also cant sin, kfm, nothing

Dose the steam version will change the ping ? Deferent server location or same thing ??

[pallid grotto]

if u wanna reset ur progress go ahead

[terse fiber]

Servers will be in same locations probably

I guess you could try using services that make ping lower

[brisk trout]

EU WTS, have 5x, dm for details

[naive idol]

Y'all know how much ms would make ice rain be equal to bb damage-wise?

I usually hear around 50ms or lower is better

[pallid grotto]

More like any above 30ms u prob better off with bb

[naive idol]

Oof

Ok, noted lol

[pallid grotto]

But no there is no math that includes dps comparison based on counts

Ur cpu, ur ping, ur macro all impact counts

[naive idol]

yeeaaah, that's what I figured

[pallid grotto]

Average / low end pc and higher ping than lets say 35ms i suggest bb

I have 10ms, monster pc and play bb
Cause i enjoy it

Even though other specs would do more dmg most likely

[naive idol]

That's fair, yeah

[pallid grotto]

On purple tier dc shines, on leg ice, on blue tier bb

[naive idol]

I used to stick with ice around 70ms back then, still would

[pallid grotto]

If u enjoy the gameplay then play that, but just be aware u prob could do more dps with other

[naive idol]

Oh yeah for sure

[pallid grotto]

I might swap someday when i feel like

[naive idol]

When I feel like BB is boring again, I'll probably switch to ice

[pallid grotto]

When there are legs obtainable we shall see how it goes

[naive idol]

Prepare to bid for the elemental accessories

[pallid grotto]

Ice will always be most expensive most likely

[naive idol]

Yeah, I'm just grabbing what I can get for now

[pallid grotto]

Gib sf

[jagged hull]

This!

[pallid grotto]

[jagged hull]

A little scared of what they would do with skillbooks LOL

[pallid grotto]

Oh leg heal ofc

😂

Leg only
Haha

[jagged hull]

Immortality party buff

[pallid grotto]

All good we reroll wl in meantime

[naive idol]

Every future WL is holding onto their selection books

[jade bronze]

how do you properly bait hae mujin clone?

do you just have to be furthest away from it?

[faint stone]

it goes to the furthest person

[jade bronze]

from the real boss or the clone?

[faint stone]

from clone

[jade bronze]

and it stays for like every time it bounces right

i just move to another corner?

it doesnt seem to follow me

it just goes straight back to center

and starts attacking instead of spinning

[fervent pond]

after a certain amount of time real and fake swap

real starts spinning and fake starts attacking

[jade bronze]

like it does one spin to the edge and then it spins into the center and aggros the middle guys

immediately

im 100% doing something wrong but idk what

i try to run as far as i can from the clone after the first spin

do i have to hit it?

[fervent pond]

don't think so

you just gotta watch and make sure the people in the middle aren't further than you

[jade bronze]

hmm ok

[acoustic venture]

So, I'm playing bb, and I'm trying to set up a macro for TR2 on ahk, but unless I make it too slow to be worth it, I can't get the rotation to work consistently, it often skips frost palm every 3 o 4 rotations. I'm guessing the delays I set up on the button presses are the issue, and I've been trying to fix them at a dummy, but no go. Anyone who pulled it off? My ping is around 20 ms.

[wicked citrus]

I said this because I’m ice build

Clearly you don’t read

Guy was asking me how my hits were much higher than his with ice rain build, bc he was using meteor shower / balefire and inferno in ice build

So i specified his hits were much lower because I don’t use that stuff bc its unnecessary for ice build

[median sonnet]

the amount of crit rate % you get from your crit rate stat goes down with level

[odd wraith]

6k fr

LOL

[median sonnet]

so if 1000 crit stat will give say, 50% crit rate at lvl 30 then it will give say 40% at lvl 40, 30% at lvl 50 etc etc (not real numbers)

[main roost]

yes

diminishing returns

[median sonnet]

your crit rate is also based on your level vs enemy level

so if you ur 55 hitting a lvl 10 enemy ur crit rate will be higher

the increase is not crazy, i think i did some tests and it was like a 5% increase at best when ur like 40 levels up

so unless you increase ur crit rate number, ur % will go down with lvls

[main roost]

apparently crit rate doesn't care about enemy level, just your level

crit damage does care about enemy level tho

the game is just wack

so if that is the case it explains why leveling up your crit rate formula will get worse

[median sonnet]

its backwards

crit rate does care about enemy level

i tested it on various level dummies

you crit more ob lower lvl dummies than vs ones around ur lvl

crit damae is the same on all dummies tho

and crit damage (and all stats in this game rly) works the same, the higher lvl u are the less you get per 1 point

[earnest mulch]

is there any guide for fm out here?

doesnt matter if ice rain/dragon char/blazing beam i want to build mine :D

[pallid grotto]

define "guide"

what books are a must?

[opal bolt]

what to do and what not to do? 😄

[radiant dagger]

[fickle glen]

to do

cry about blazing palm
dont use 1 outside of inferno
put every single purple tabs you get for 20k since there isnt any in f5 people will buy trust

[terse fiber]

Dont forget asking about macro buttons and timing

[opal bolt]

btw BB is actually more enjoyable to play than char, 300 hours wasted

[fickle glen]

char is only fun when you have black wings and black outfit

😔

[wicked citrus]

Does anyone in eu have legendary ice rain yet

[fickle glen]

only fm legendary, force blast, was salvaged

[harsh nymph]

EU WTB Blazing Palm and:

[crystal idol]

WTB leg earring CD/acc NA

[pallid grotto]

doesn't exist yet

40-50+ tries total but nobody got any

[wicked citrus]

ya in NA

we only have Shock fire, Blazing Beam, and Force Blast

[fickle glen]

las vegas enjoyers

[pallid grotto]

had force blast only so far afaik

[wicked citrus]

ya its crazy

5% chance to get a legendary book from 50 purple fragments

[pallid grotto]

noush did 20+ attempts and not a single leg, he quit

[wicked citrus]

yeah that's insane!!

[pallid grotto]

pity system would be.....

after every 5 or 10 tries

like cmon

this is worse than gacha

[wicked citrus]

yeah with how low those odds are

i mean i get legendary is like last upgrade for skills and it shouldn't be so easily attainable

but jeez lol

i agree with a pity system

[graceful hawk]

This skill system was only designed to milk every player

Then they made it even worse by enabling book stacking

[opal bolt]

and they are gonna die by their own greed

isn't it beautiful

maybe except the milking part

[pallid grotto]

if u only needed one it'd be too easy..

[lyric stump]

how much for the snowball?

how much dps will I lose if I use purple ice sheet instead of blue frost palm?

[pallid grotto]

it takes focus..

[ocean forge]

I assume you are ice since u asked for snowball price

U do realise ice sheet has 1 gcd and palm has 0.5?

So even green vs purple it's less damage

😂

[strange hare]

anyone got a basic ice build? like baseline and maybe next steps

[lyric stump]

I'm selling it

[ocean forge]

Nah no one figured it out yet sry

[lyric stump]

😞

[ocean forge]

Unless u are beam

Then maybe idk beam focus problems

[lyric stump]

I am beam

is it useful on beam?

[ocean forge]

If you can manage -1 focus/s then sure

[lyric stump]

yeah I don;t have focus issues on beam

never had

mine always full

[ocean forge]

How about you try it then

[lyric stump]

but like in term of speed, will it effect my dps?

[ocean forge]

Idk do u do more than 1x palm/s?

[lyric stump]

since it doesn't say attack speed increae

idk tbh

[ocean forge]

Idk if u suppose to TR2 on 1s gcd in neo

[lyric stump]

what gcd mean ?

[ocean forge]

Global cooldown

Funny cooldown between ur casts

[lyric stump]

ah ok

my ping 60 so I doubt i do 2 palms per sec

[ocean forge]

Idk if u suppose to

Ask @pallid grotto he probs know

I know ice u just spam the sh1t out of 2rt

[lyric stump]

just trying to put a use for this damn useless skill

[ocean forge]

But idk if beam still plays rhythm

[jagged hull]

Dont you use that for pvp

[ocean forge]

Yea

[fickle glen]

no u pve people in pvp

[lyric stump]

I did use it when I dropped it at lvl50 but not in a long time

I was ice rain back then so I stopped as people suggested cus the focus and attack speed

[jagged hull]

The pinned message in the #1194914189563670678 fm thread seems fine

[ocean forge]

You pvp people in pve*

[jagged hull]

Just ignore X Snowball, that should really only be X Massive Snowball.

[lyric stump]

but idk now with beam, is it useful?

[pallid grotto]

i tried ice sheet for bb build

[fickle glen]

its not

[pallid grotto]

had some actual focus issues if no perma crit on lmb

not viable immo

bb + focus issues = trash

shouldn't be a thing

[lyric stump]

I don't have focus issues atm

my bar always full

[pallid grotto]

i use wall not meteors

no extra gain focus only balefire

[lyric stump]

i do use meteors

but in term of speed, does it effect bad to cast?

[pallid grotto]

wall gives me dmg on my sustain by 10% cdmg
so i doubt worth the tradeoff & possible count loss on bad lmb crit rng

when we hit 80%+ solid critrate we can consider testing

[ocean forge]

TSK so smart and handsome always best advice

[pallid grotto]

u pinged me pepo

[ocean forge]

[pallid grotto]

[ocean forge]

Of course

[pallid grotto]

ye i'm stupid enough to waste money to test it

[ocean forge]

The last beam bender

[pallid grotto]

dw i might reroll someday

but for now i'm a believer and way overgeared to care

[lyric stump]

ddos time

[ocean forge]

Don't go ice 🙂

[jagged hull]

ice sf

[ocean forge]

Go char if anything

[frank canopy]

Emrael got 4 leggy in 20 attempts

for info

Not everyone has the same luck

i guess

[lyric stump]

but should i use it since i don't use wall?

[pallid grotto]

i have 10ms

i'd be stupid not going ice

[ocean forge]

Yo KRaToS

Try it lol?

[pallid grotto]

try it

if u don't suffer focus issues

u gain dps

ez

only reason i dropped it

[lyric stump]

bet

thx for the info

[ocean forge]

Nah u on ice in BG won't be fun

[pallid grotto]

ahh cmon

200k hp and ice gaming

[lyric stump]

ok I tried it, dps is the same, at least there is a use of it kek

I can be annoying again in bg lmao

[pallid grotto]

In bg u have extra focus burn and evading enemies just eat ur focus :) gl

[lyric stump]

I just do the weekly bg quest then never touch it again until next week. I hate bg

[wicked citrus]

do yall think it's worth going for purple dual dragons

i mean 7k for it, is it a noticable dps increase

[slow magnet]

its for bleed, not a noticible dps increase, barely any

[wicked citrus]

ohhh ok

so then ya probably not worth it unless i get it from a purple chest

[frank canopy]

Aye don't waste ur gold buddy

Just put it at 25k like everyone else don't bother putting these prices

[harsh nymph]

if its eu - price 20k for dch

EU WTB Blazing palm and:

[terse fiber]

God bless whoever put purple char for 16k on EU

[frank canopy]

WTS EU

[opal bolt]

how much gold do you pay for 40k dg offer though?

like 2?

[jagged hull]

8

[frank canopy]

8

And it sells for 20 max

[wicked citrus]

I sold a dragonchar on na earlier today for 43k lol

People are still willing to buy it for a lot

[radiant dagger]

in eu?

never saw someone pay more than 25k, for last 2 week

[jagged hull]

on na

[sullen sparrow]

What does more damage and have better use, purple dragonchar or purple ice rain? which one do you guys recommend?

[wicked citrus]

In terms of “use” they’re the same purpose, deal damage

Both good in pvp

Purple dragonchar does more damage from what I see people say, can’t say I personally tested it

But both have entirely different builds, they only share Blazing Palm, Frost Palm, and Dual Dragons

I recommend testing out both builds with blue ice rain and blue dragonchar and see which you like more, they both are able to do all current content comfortably so its whichever you like more

[brave crest]

Hello, any fire build to share? 😄

[terse fiber]

Testing blue char doesn't show how it plays on purple due to speed difference

[crystal idol]

WTB leg earring NA cdmg/acc

[wicked citrus]

i meant more as playstyle

youll be able to tell the difference between how both play

[jagged hull]

Shame mystic badges are so expensive

[wicked citrus]

ya that's why i recommend to try the bare minimum to get a quick feel for the playstyle instead of just going all out and hating the playstyle

[terse fiber]

Who is this funny guy on EU XD

[pallid grotto]

you wanna buy dd?

[ocean forge]

the trickster

[terse fiber]

Nah just saw that there is one and was curious 😄

[lyric stump]

how much massive snowball sells for?

[harsh nymph]

1,5k

[lyric stump]

[harsh nymph]

Purple MB gives a few amount of damage against bluem and nothing more

dat cause his price 1.5k

[lyric stump]

12s cooldown of cnap

[fickle glen]

You are limited by the 1's cd

blue snowball is already enough

[lyric stump]

ik just tryin to sell this bad drop

[jagged hull]

Could still be cheaper to go purple massive + moonwater badge than blue massive + virtuous badge xD

[frank canopy]

it does not work

YOu need to reset snowball, not cold snap itself because what you're looking for is the 8sec boost upon cold snap

[harsh nymph]

U have no cd cnap with desert badge and blue book

[jagged hull]

Sounds fake 🤔

[frank canopy]

It is

what you're looking for playing ice is 22sec of snowball cd reduction

To get your boost off cd

[jagged hull]

(which is this for anyone who doesnt know)

[lyric stump]

[lyric stump]

he wasted it again 😂

[jagged hull]

At least it's not a 20k+ Ice Coil xD

[sleek sphinx]

i sell my for 22k

[fickle glen]

which clown jhin fan put that ice rain today

[frank canopy]

4444 ? cheap

[frank canopy]

My man did not open market for 4 days

a row

There was one sitting for 20k

[fickle glen]

people is clown

30k rains didnt sold

and its 44, 39 and 35k

sure buddy

[frank canopy]

idk

Who is expecting ppl to pay 30k

on a dying

end of update

game

so unreal

Like every whale is quitting the game atm

Today geaven sold 6 electro pierce

[fickle glen]

is he going to live

[frank canopy]

who's turn is it to leave tmrw ?

[fickle glen]

or

quit quit

[frank canopy]

idk

just saw 8 electropierce

on markt

for the first time

and he had no items

guessed it was him

[terse fiber]

I even bought one for 16k today 😄

[fickle glen]

ye it was his

[frank canopy]

game is dying, whales are quitting but ppl try to sell 1 book 300e

keep on hope

[fickle glen]

ik he is quitting but just

dont know if fully or just going live

since

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

nellans gang

is there

[frank canopy]

Idk maybe

[wraith tundra]

[harsh nymph]

EU. 3k. At the market after 5 minuts

[fickle glen]

and when was it?

[wraith tundra]

4 days ago

[fickle glen]

which server it is again

[wraith tundra]

Moonwater

[fickle glen]

idk there is 30k rains everywhere since last weekend

it doesnt seems realistic lol

[tacit violet]

WTB DRAGONCHAR

[graceful hawk]

It's worth as much as whales are willing to pay

If there is only 1 up for 40k they will buy it

[sharp grotto]

okay this time fr im selling all my fm gear and skills for dg or bns live materials/gold

[graceful hawk]

Another one

[frank canopy]

who's this fcking man

so dumb

30k all week long buys 42

some ppl i swear

[wraith tundra]

Idk who bought it tbh i just listed at night and by the morning it was gone

[frank canopy]

idk ppl are so dumb when it comes to market

can't wait 2 or 3 days to get a better price

[graceful hawk]

They don't care about a better price

40k gems for them is like a coffee and a toast for us

[sharp grotto]

wts EU https://imgur.com/a/Zao5Bw9

[graceful hawk]

Another one

[tacit violet]

WTB DRAGONCHAR na

[lyric stump]

@sharp grotto you quitting ?

[sharp grotto]

yes

[lyric stump]

game is dying fr if they don't do !shit before that

[graceful hawk]

Why would they tho

Already got their paycheck from this version

[sharp grotto]

wts EU https://imgur.com/a/Zao5Bw9 (click link it has all my items)

[candid heart]

Is forgekeepr guild good or soul warden? Soulshield psyche is so expensive

[cedar tulip]

You need soulwardens for primers.

You can mail yourself the primers accross your entire account.

SS Psyches at least you can buy off market.

[candid heart]

I have forgekeeper and ring guild right now, and I want to change one to soul shields

[fervent pond]

i'd keep forgekeeper and radiant on main

soul warden on alt

[fleet wolf]

But..you almost always buy off AH at low for upgrades, mats always lacking

[sharp grotto]

any eu fm whales that wanna switch to dragonchar i got the full build rdy

[sharp grotto]

wts eu good price

[harsh nymph]

All whales died:)

[sharp grotto]

Revive thwm

[harsh nymph]

Revive had GKD for 2 more years:(

Trying to buy Force blast for 3 days

0 offers

[distant inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-revive-friends-animated-friendship-gif-8246087956711984034

Have u heard of Bns Neo on steam? I'm sure it'll be great

[jagged hull]

Purple neo was just the trial version

[brisk trout]

Purple neo was to fund steam version

Now they go farm annual bonus for the ceo on steam

[pallid grotto]

Wanna see the reviews if they keep it as is

[frank canopy]

Other whales : TSK HELP

Who else is still active tbh

On cinderlands 7 out of original top 10 left

[molten flint]

if you run your own empire of bots or you got alot of money, 30k is nth

[frank canopy]

I guess so

[fleet wolf]

If you are someone who runs bot, 30k gem is your profit equivalent in $, you'd only spend to control the market

[sharp grotto]

there are players that run bots just to use the divines

[fleet wolf]

ain't no way, you personally know any on NA/EU?

[sharp grotto]

i mean from what i was told

valira did that on bns live

so maybe same on neo

no 100% tho

but that exists

[fleet wolf]

CN player behavior ngl

[frank canopy]

I like the theory of ppl spending money that's not theirs, cuz some ppl are just so random when it comes to buying books

[fleet wolf]

Market control / Whales / wannabe Whaleos

[distant inlet]

Top that with the amount of ppl that take out Loans just to buy goodies...
For example the Faker "Ahri" skin on LoL went for 400 euro, Alledgedly there were quite a few ppl that took out loans just to get that skin (In NA and China alike).

I wonder how many whales quit the game because the loansharks or cc bill came in

[frank canopy]

Faker skin was a fomo

Tho

Like one time event, making ppl think it's worth to go deep for their fav player

They even got me

Not the 400e one tho

Next year skin will 100% sell for less or make less sales

[distant inlet]

Bns is full of fomo tho

Nobody wants to farm CS if u can farm bsh1

Nobody wants to farm BSH if u can farm Exile

Swipe to not fall behind all your friends and rot with pugs

[frank canopy]

i just accept getting carried by them

[fickle glen]

this one is way better than the other one tbh

[fickle glen]

depennnnnnnds

cuz its probably

uzi skin

aka vayne/kaisa

[sharp grotto]

wts cheaper prices on bulk purchases got 7 chars

[frank canopy]

Yeah but faker got too many clients nobody Will pay 400e for uzi vayne skin

I don’t Even play ahri just pure fomo

[radiant dagger]

sell and gamle for leg book pls

[sharp grotto]

nah i lose

[crystal idol]

WTB blazing beam NA

[molten flint]

i think someone quit on this server and dumped a bunch of purple wicked dragons for 1.5k purples so i got afew to test for fun

Wicked dragon badge + mystic, GM 12, blue rain gm 12 mushin tower dummy

if anyone is curious about it

[terse fiber]

seems low tho. What is your ap, crit and crit dmg?

[jagged hull]

Got a regular ice rain for reference?

[molten flint]

854 3005/2437

[molten flint]

i don't have a fair comparison but this is with GM 14 ice rain and 0 on wicked

[molten flint]

i honestly cant tell. It's my highest dps so far but in general i think my dps is low maybe cause im running 70~80ms

[fervent pond]

[molten flint]

i'd say its a viable build if you're on higher ping since a bulk of your dmg isn't animation / ping dependent

[fervent pond]

70-80ms isn't really that high tbh

can still play normal ice with that

i played normal ice with that ping

[molten flint]

u can but you'd still be losing about 10~15%

compared to someone at like 20ms

like u can see the difference in speed

[fervent pond]

mm i was able to stay consistently top 10 with that ping so

[molten flint]

🤷‍♂️ neo is too expensive to respec and try XD

[frank canopy]

3min parse ?

[brisk trout]

i will sell what nellan is selling but 15% cheaper dm me

[molten flint]

yea 3 min parse

😄

[fickle glen]

rich boi

[frank canopy]

Aye man do you even press 2 💀 120 ice rains counts in 3min is crazy

A good rate is 3+ with badge and boost

So in your case around 550

Oh but you play fire 1

wtf

[molten flint]

550 ice rains in 3 min?

o_O

hits *

[frank canopy]

Yeah

[terse fiber]

you better show us what skills you have 😄

[frank canopy]

I do 220 230 in 1min

[molten flint]

let me see what 3 minute ice rain only is for me lol but ice rain without LB RB gets me a lower parse

straight up ice rain....

[terse fiber]

show us the rest. Since ice rain needs more different skills. You might be missing more than just force blast

[frank canopy]

U need force blast, cold snap and big snowball

[fickle glen]

you guys have

purple 1

it changes count alot

[frank canopy]

Rotation is basically 2RT spam 1 XZ or ZX

[terse fiber]

Ah true he posted parse with skill names

[fervent pond]

wait a sec LMAO shockfire

[frank canopy]

Yeah he's ice terrorist

[molten flint]

it does 😮 purple ice rain is faster than blue?

[fickle glen]

purple 1

the snowball cdr skill

[molten flint]

ohoh

[molten flint]

in 1 8 second coldsnap i do 15 hits lol in 3 min parse taking out any other skill use i would only cap out at 337 thats without RT just ice rain

i dont know how you'd hit 550 @@

[terse fiber]

do you keep 2 pressed or spam click it?

[molten flint]

i just hold. let me try spam click

[terse fiber]

ye try that. Its bns magic that spam clicking might just be better than keeping it pressed xD

[jagged hull]

Spam clicking is way better yeah

[molten flint]

17 hits spam clicking

that would bring it up from 337 to 382 still no where close to 550

[terse fiber]

naah 550 in 3 mins is cap tho

[molten flint]

too bad this game isnt more popular

there's nth on youtube to really watch

[fervent pond]

not sure how u only get 17

this is at 80ms too

i only used massive snowball to reset my z

[molten flint]

ahhhh

[fervent pond]

this is a 2 min parse from a month ago, i'm getting 332 ice rains already

[molten flint]

that helps alot thank you

the reason is because of badge

badge counts as as seperate hit

[fervent pond]

you're not using badge?

[molten flint]

not for ice rain no

[fervent pond]

soul badge or mystic

[molten flint]

both. It's hard to test anything in neo to compare because testing = $$

i dont cast enough ice rains between each wicked dragon to make up 575%

id LOVE to test it out but, u know, $$

i have the purple tier ice rain one and that drops my parse by 4k/s lol

[molten flint]

that checks out because for me thats 160-ish

the only way I can compare 1 to 1 is if you remove soul shields and insignia to match my stats and test it but, thats if u want and not to trouble u :p

[harsh nymph]

WTB EU
FM`S TRUE ACCS
And:

[lone heart]

hello am doing build dragon char purple and i want know what i need to keep up with focus recovery

and rotation

[fickle glen]

meteor

balefire

[lone heart]

ani cancel any or nah?

[pallid grotto]

@sharp grotto

[molten flint]

ani cancel with LB if/when needed otherwise no

[harsh nymph]

He knows

[distant inlet]

How are my counts?

[fickle glen]

they are counting

[distant inlet]

[molten flint]

needs context. time? AP cr/cd? what are u hitting

[brittle junco]

How to use ice rain

I do hit balefire and coldsanp and rhen hold 2

But i see ice fm dont use balefire

Im i using it wrong ?

Or should i use cold snap and left right 2 ?

Without balefire !!!