Force Master

[pallid grotto]

I think noush hits were 17-20k crits

As a reference for max gear ice fm

[lyric stump]

dam

[pallid grotto]

So in theory 54-60k sustain

[green solstice]

im interested, lets talk

[radiant dagger]

Idk 6 7k i guess

Critical i guess

16 17k

Maybe

Never check my dps meter

[pallid grotto]

Should be more

[fickle glen]

btw is there any chance for you to make small video of animation of it after you buy it? Since looks like highest tier skills have different animations than base I just wonder it 🙏

[native sail]

No it’s tiny different

I would say it changes from purple dark fire to a slight brighter?

[fickle glen]

golden color would be funny 🤔

[graceful hawk]

Instead of shooting fire you shoot gold

To show how rich you are

[fickle glen]

https://tenor.com/bues4.gif

[radiant dagger]

yeah

Gold dragonchar

Was very light

https://b23.tv/4I9Afvf

Have a video in tw server gold dragonchar

[fleet wolf]

What? where do I sell

[fleet wolf]

ez fix with engine.ini

[radiant dagger]

Xd

[fickle glen]

it looks beautiful

but holy fk my eyes

[fleet wolf]

fps dip is real

his ping also jumps from 35 to 55ms lol.

[terse fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[radiant dagger]

I do 60 or 61k on dummy

[terse sparrow]

is this used by ice folks?

[fleet wolf]

useless skill

[lyric stump]

only gamblers will buy it

[cedar tulip]

B> 2x purple beams NA

[pallid grotto]

Send parse

[dreamy sparrow]

WTB purple blazing beam NA, dm me price ty ^^

[real ferry]

WTS purple icerain NA

[crystal idol]

WTB purple beam NA

[late coral]

WTB Purple Blazing Palm and Purple force blast

[wicked citrus]

how much are you selling for? I'll offer 35k if no one's offered

[graceful hawk]

Bros stop switching to ice continue on char pls

[fickle glen]

price going down on both

there is 2 rain sold from 25

[wicked citrus]

ya same on NA, 1 sold for 35k yesterday and another for like 37k

Char also dropped from like 60k to 40k

[real ferry]

Sold

[unkempt horizon]

Ice Rain crits hitting 17k now. Getting up there

[wicked citrus]

ahh ok ty for letting me know!!

[dawn wing]

WTS eu

[rough crow]

WTS Purple blazing beam NA

[radiant dagger]

WTS EU

[fickle glen]

That is a really nice Kaari Bangle!

[radiant dagger]

yeah too nice

[potent jasper]

WTB Ice rain dm my discord

[molten flint]

how big a difference is going from ice rain blue to purple?

it doesn't seem like a huge jump or am i missing something?

[knotty torrent]

the purple skill when you hover doesnt take into consideration your grandmaster I think

[molten flint]

yea i just noticed how dumb this thing is... look, I just deleveled my ice rain and...

purple does less damage than blue

well done bns

[broken charm]

What is thy offer?

[rough crow]

you have 12 grandmaster on the blue one?

[molten flint]

yes o_O

[potent jasper]

WTB Ice rain Purple

[slow magnet]

it does not

take into account GM points

lol

[inland cargo]

it's more of it doesn't take into account the 10 points u put into ur skill for more dmg

[slow magnet]

or maybe that

[inland cargo]

so when he hovers over a skill without him having it

it shows base

[slow magnet]

i just check on yast neo site

[inland cargo]

but his blue one has 10 points into it

[slow magnet]

ah

[inland cargo]

u can see it

[molten flint]

why doesn't the game do it for me.... why am i able to make blue dmg higher than purple.. thats what i mean

[inland cargo]

his blue has skill gm, purple doesn't

[inland cargo]

it's 10 points u added from ur skill page

[molten flint]

if i reduce the skill points to 0 it makes blue higher than purple.... thats kinda.. dumb that even happens because of GM

[inland cargo]

once you equip/have purple it will be more than the blue

[molten flint]

it also means i cant compare my current GM level blue book vs purple book

[inland cargo]

again, what you don't have shows base, what you have shows the 10 points added

[molten flint]

the one with minimal gains is with 10 skill. the second one where blue is higher is with 0 points..

point being, mousing over purple should also factor GM level so you can compare...

because now I cant compare dmg difference unless i buy a purple? o.o

[inland cargo]

it has nothing to do with gm

it's the 10 points from your skill page you added

again

once u own purple ice rain and equip it, when you hover over it it will account for the 10 points from skill page

and show more damage than if you were not to own it

[pallid grotto]

Unequip your accs then hover over the skills in K...

[fickle glen]

From what I heard from others its like 17%ish increase on rain? so 10% increase overall dps. Honestly idk if its worth 30k divines if you have better upgrades to do 🤔

[jagged hull]

The ap ratio increases by 17,9% yeah

Is dragonchar the only one with a hidden change at purple tier? (I.e. being able to cast more per second)

[fickle glen]

scam investment ngl

[fickle glen]

I heard frost palm also gets like .2 attack speed increase but I'm not sure if its real or not since I don't have it

[pallid grotto]

biggest change is u can actually cast lmb rmb properly inbetween dragonchars

with blue it's like a longer anilock and u actively lose counts it feels like

that helps a ton with focus issues which is the main "issue" on dc

[ocean forge]

pretty sure purple blaze palm is more increase than rain

or similar ig, but it's 1/3 the price

[slow magnet]

Ice rain is about 50% so it would be half of that

Assuming that you already have purple palm

[fickle glen]

17 on rain 10 in overall dps is what I heard

[ocean forge]

18% skill increase, 10% overall dps increase yeah

blaze palm is like.. ~70% skill increase and 12% overall dps increase? 🤔

[slow magnet]

If ice rain is 50% of your dps output them ~17.5 on 50% would be half of 17.5% not 10%

[hidden trout]

Guy i got an jinsoyun card, this critical damage rate 15% is Better then 57 ap?

[slow magnet]

Its 17.86%

[slow magnet]

Grats and yes

[hidden trout]

Ty

[slow magnet]

8.93% then

[ocean forge]

right but ur ice rain % depends on ur ice rain stacks

if u got purple frost palm / purple blaze palm ur ice rain % is even lower

[wicked citrus]

hi guys, this is over 1 minute on a target dummy, i'm not really understanding how other ice fms are getting more BLazing palm hits? my macro is just 2RT

[ocean forge]

I got blue palms and my ice rain pre purple was 56-57%

[slow magnet]

I'm assuming you have every purple other than the purple ice rain and no utility skills, all other skill slots occupied by blue ice rains.

[ocean forge]

r u sure ice rain is 50% of ur dmg when u got purple palms + GM24?

[pure fractal]

WTS X5 each 2.2k

[ocean forge]

well anyway doesnt matter

ice if someone wants to know their expected dmg increase from purple rain, they just use their own icerain% xd

[wicked citrus]

wait does purple blazing palm come out faster than blue blazing palm

[ocean forge]

🤔

come out? wdym like it's gay

[crystal idol]

WTB purple beam NA

[wicked citrus]

NVM i figured it out, my blazing palms are lower bc i have blue blazing palm

i didn't consider that the detonation counts as a hit

[slow magnet]

My ice rain % as the only FM, with purple icerain, is 55-57% , without the purple ice rain it would be back near 50-52% ish

Hae Mujin random runs from earlier

[graceful hawk]

Frost palm has lower internal cd than blazing palm so it's normal that it has higher counts

[slow magnet]

yeah this is true assuming you mean frost palm

[graceful hawk]

Yeah I mean frost palm, my brain went monke mode and called it by the color of the skill 💀

[pallid grotto]

How did u manage, fused legs?

[jagged hull]

If those are the only significant stats then the AP should be better

[pallid grotto]

No

15% cdmg is huge

Is flat % not any random number

[jagged hull]

It depends on your AP and Cdmg

[pallid grotto]

Considering he got a leg card only obtainable by leg fuses

[jagged hull]

I took 900 ap and 3000 cdmg as numbers

[pallid grotto]

I would assume not f2p

xD

57 ap
U got the 32 before so only 25 gain

[jagged hull]

Yeah that's a bit of a different comparison 😅

[pallid grotto]

57 ap flat yes i agree

15% on 3k base should be around 700 (?) cdmg value, the higher u already are with base it adds extra

[jagged hull]

3k base is 2.651x damage on a crit

[pallid grotto]

this the set he talks about

onrush giving it extra value
well ye this one better than flat ap i'd say
if we go from 0 ap to 57 then yes, ap

[jagged hull]

Yeah it's a lot of stats

Kinda odd that the piercing is so low xd

[pallid grotto]

those [1] stats are usually a meme lol

[slow magnet]

That's two tiers below, compare to the 44ap set

[fickle glen]

this set is bait tho

you want other set with mushin moonwater set

🤔

[slow magnet]

The what what set

[fickle glen]

mushin shadow set

[slow magnet]

Is that the mushins tower 220 AP drain set

[fickle glen]

gives onrush and ap

its not divine set, its moonwater set

[slow magnet]

Is that prove your skills

[fickle glen]

yes

that, jinsoyun+mushin and lovers set should be the goal i think?

assuming u want cdmg

or u go hong sets which is cr

[slow magnet]

doesnt add up to 10 though

you need a 4 slot set

[fickle glen]

prove is 4

oh

nvm jinso is 3

🤔

but eh

you get 9 points total but idk if you can make anything better without giga investing

1 jinso is already tons of investment

[slow magnet]

jinsoyun is harder to get than master hong

i think you take the 4 slot master hong set

[fickle glen]

well its rng kinda

so 🤷‍♂️

[slow magnet]

its kinda awkard with the two effect sets

they overlap too much

maybe stick in this one to replace my dead effect set at least i get reflex lol

Or actually you take the other Hong 4 set with 765 life drain

[fickle glen]

what if

you just ignore ap?

assuming bis

[slow magnet]

And swap the love of a century one

For detect winter mane set

[fleet wolf]

Holy did thez cost 200k?

[fickle glen]

its rng

my friend got that duo in 80k? i think

[slow magnet]

No prolly like 50k of essence or so without including the refund from selling soulshields and weapons to vendor

And valour stones to green books to blue

I sell every soulshield and weapon to vendor for gold as well

[fleet wolf]

dam 50k for 2x leg card is not bad at all..

[pallid grotto]

I know someone with 16 purple crafts and 0 leg

Rng be fun

[slow magnet]

I got dark mushin, iksanun and other mushin on the first 20 attempts and pulled yura out of the pity mileage box

[fickle glen]

@latent oak

starts from there

[latent oak]

Appreciate it man

[fleet wolf]

Well you jus need to hit 1x leg and another from the pity, but chances of getting a set is lol.

[slow magnet]

I would not slot in the 57 AP set its kinda bait

[latent oak]

Im 155k essence deep into this rng fest rn lmao

I think Vesel is BIS no matter what

Its got that % cdmg and 2 effects everyone needs

[slow magnet]

The extra AP from 57 AP set becomes less valuable the more AP we get

The % crit damage scales regardless

[latent oak]

Imo Jinsoyun card should be used in Vesel since as u said

It will keep scaling until we can finally quit the game

[fleet wolf]

game will be real dead soon™️

[latent oak]

So if anything i think Four guardians, A fate and Vesel should be BIS forever

[pallid grotto]

who says we won't get new legs n stuff

hehe

[fickle glen]

i mean

lore!

[latent oak]

You get onrush 11, Reflex 7, Drain 11, Detect 7
30% Cdmg
39 + 89 + 89 Piercing
79 Accuracy
5% crit

[slow magnet]

I don't think it's really intended for these to have been obtained at this point in the game, seems like it was supposed to be a long term thing

[fickle glen]

its just

cdmg is pain in the ass to calculate

only if we could learn when does it calculate

[latent oak]

Just gotta get someone to complete a set

[fickle glen]

base? after gear? after matras?

[fickle glen]

then you see it doesnt show up on f3

💀

[latent oak]

LOL

[slow magnet]

Being able to smash like 20k Kaari essence into the wheel is entirely dependent on bots farming it and probably wasn't intended by the devs.

[fickle glen]

I mean

[latent oak]

20k wont get u anywhere

[fickle glen]

they bring rng box

in few patches

literally same thing

[slow magnet]

Well it's just a random number you know what I mean

[latent oak]

Yeah for shizzle i get u

[fickle glen]

cuz afaik matras doesnt show either?

[slow magnet]

That's probably the intended method then

[fickle glen]

should be same price tbh

you get even more with rng boxes

wheel is scam

[slow magnet]

It'll probably be more expensive

[latent oak]

Can still do wheel for a chance at leg cards, if u dont get? Sell soulshields and weapons for gold to try for RNG chest

[slow magnet]

Wheel refunds almost 50% of gems spent in gems or gold from valour stone to books and selling soulshields to vendor

[latent oak]

Ehhhhh maybe not 50%

[slow magnet]

Depending on cost at purchase

[latent oak]

20% sounds about right

[fickle glen]

ye matras doesnt show up

cdmg+ spells doesnt either

[latent oak]

Try attackign Hera

[fickle glen]

you just need to calculate from the damage

xd

[latent oak]

See if that makes a difference

[fickle glen]

wdym attacking?

[latent oak]

Since mantra is a proc no?

U need to proc the mantra for it to take effect

[slow magnet]

It was 46% at 1.7 essence cost if you sell SS and weapons to vendor, ~25% if you don't sell soulshields and weapons for gold.

I valued the outfits at 1 valour stone each

Valour stones valued at average number of stones to hit a blue that you sell for 280

[fickle glen]

i did hit

it shows up on buff bar

not on the f3/profile

[latent oak]

Ah ur going off on selling the blues and not trying for purple or legendary

[fickle glen]

my v gives 10crit hit dmg total

it doesnt either

[slow magnet]

Yes on average you do better selling the blues than gambling them

Because you can use those gems to buy essence and get more valour stones

[latent oak]

Im well aware, ive used up close to 90k valors

[slow magnet]

I mean maybe you hit a good purple but most likely you end up with a 2.5k purple and it's a loss

[jagged hull]

Wdym

Isnt it just a flat % added

[fickle glen]

idk

ur the closest one with jinsoyun

u gotta show us

lmao

[slow magnet]

When you hit a 3 soulshield box you vendor it for 0.0093 gold x 3, at 19.05 divine gems = 1 gold and an essence cost of 1.7 that's a 31.26% return in gold

[jagged hull]

Funny enough stat potions do show up

[fickle glen]

well

get the set!

enlighten us

[latent oak]

@hidden trout U therebuddy?

[slow magnet]

The single soulshield box is just without multiplying by 3 so 10.42% return in gold, valour stone boxes return almost the entire 1.7 gems as gems after transmuting to blues.

[fickle glen]

do you sell outfits

or transmute to box

[zealous coyote]

are mantra stones worth putting any effort into? i have always ignored them

[distant inlet]

Yes.

[potent jasper]

always worth it

[frank canopy]

About the same tho dps was bad

[pallid grotto]

they do a ton if u get some crit rolls going

[jagged hull]

Is it not worth using your soul core proc during the fight?

[frank canopy]

It is

[jagged hull]

Im asking because both of you only used it once

[frank canopy]

i just forget

[potent jasper]

wtb ice rain purple

[late coral]

WTB Purple Blazing Palm and Purple Force Blast EU

[plucky verge]

wts dragonchar purple EU

[molten flint]

do u get these cards by spamming essence and fuse or smth?

[late coral]

WTB Purple Blazing Palm and Purple Force Blast EU

[pallid grotto]

kaari spinning yes

[ocean forge]

Spam cold storage

Gets u green cards and just roll

[fleet wolf]

Sure, 5 greens into 1 green

[sharp grail]

ice

[pale kestrel]

Any ice fm’s in the 860 range able to tell me what kinda dps they’re doing on hae?

[lyric stump]

into 1 green card that you also rolled with the 5

[crystal idol]

WTB BB NA 10k

[fleet wolf]

950+24GM

[dreamy sparrow]

WTB Purple Blazing Beam and Blazing Wall NA

[molten flint]

ppl ask 860 why become 950gm24

[fleet wolf]

I mean you can hit 20k with 860 if skilled

[coarse furnace]

WTB purple blazing beam eu

[slow magnet]

AP number without context is kind of meaningless because if the crit/critical damage/accuracy stats are bad it'll still be terrible damage

[fleet wolf]

nah, guy jus run with very sub macro, as you can see with their stats

949 7k Crits 3.2k piercing 24GM + purp LMB

[loud linden]

Wtb purple dual dragon eu

[frank canopy]

19 to 20k with 866 3.8k 2.7k 20gm purple ice
And i do think there's room for improvement becuase i am low on accuracy rn, need better psyches

[fickle glen]

Whats ur piercing

[frank canopy]

Uhmm

lemme log

Around 2.6k

ish

[fickle glen]

I also have same damage with purple blazing palm, 3k cdmg 8 gm blue rain

[frank canopy]

Yeah you need to look at count rates

Too

I am bad at dodging

[fickle glen]

Where is my skill issue gif

[frank canopy]

And accuracy is a problem too

I have 950 lvl 54 rn

it's kind of a disaster

Every snowball evade is doom

Also solo fm and range, if it changes anything

[fickle glen]

Same case jus accur difg

[frank canopy]

These are my stats

[fickle glen]

Ig piercing diff

Whats ur dummy parse?

[frank canopy]

Idk i never do this

Should be around 33 ish

But not sure

[fickle glen]

Whats ur baylee timer xd

[frank canopy]

Neither

[pale kestrel]

@frank canopy if your doing 19-20k I gotta step my game up cause somebody said I was 15k at 866, 1140 acc lol. Had 1 death that probably screwed me up

[frank canopy]

Yeah death and dazes fck you up a lot

[fickle glen]

I have 27 on dummy lol

[frank canopy]

Wtf

lemme do a parse

2min ?

[fickle glen]

3 is safer but kinda same thing

[frank canopy]

Btw what are yall timers on mushin f7

trying to optimize it but 6:5x is my best timer

[molten flint]

mushin f7? like 20 seconds? 30? o.O

i dont even see his red skill anymore

[pale kestrel]

@frank canopy are you using rt2 macro? I’m using 2rt at 0ms delay to get out as many ice rains as possible but I’m noticing in bsh that I’m running out of focus I guess from blazing palm misses

[molten flint]

dude just rolls over and dies

[frank canopy]

Nah whole tower i meant

Yeah my junghado survives 15sec too

[frank canopy]

Uhhm not enough crit maybe

And i use some random macro 2RT yeah

[pale kestrel]

Hmm I’m not as pc right now but I know I’m a little over 3600

[molten flint]

and this gets you 25k on mushin's dummy?

[frank canopy]

32k

With these

[molten flint]

man, purple really must make a big diff

[frank canopy]

Yeah prob

It makes your stacking more effective too

[molten flint]

at best i get 18-20K but im using an unconventional build

but me like seeing big pp numbers

i got a full crit once in ogong and my dps meter showed 800k/s

XD

[slow magnet]

Oh god don't say it's wicked twin dragons

[jagged hull]

That does sound unconventional

[molten flint]

yea i actually like it. wicked on 12 second CD

a nice 130K dmg every 12 seconds sure feels nice 😄

[molten flint]

ive tried every build (at blue) this is the highest dps ive gotten so far

was a costly test... ._.

[pallid grotto]

try tanking mujin on this build

[molten flint]

think my dps isn't high enough for mujin.. at least without purples almost no one will take u

[empty viper]

I do around 18.5-19k without baiting or any snowball misses, purple ice rain 18 stacks blue palm

[pallid grotto]

what is ur ping?

macro?

[empty viper]

40

[empty viper]

I use this atm

may not be optional

[pallid grotto]

lg hub

[empty viper]

is it bad?

[ocean forge]

F macro kinda diabolical

[empty viper]

im just that lazy

[sleek musk]

What were your rates if u dont mind me asking?

[pallid grotto]

i know ppl who said it's fine but for me it always performed worse

recommending xmouse / ahk / logitech gaming software (old one) / razor (if u have razor mouse)

[crystal idol]

WTB purple beam 10k/11k NA

[empty viper]

i see, it works fine for me so far

[dark forum]

Hi is there any skill guide for FM

[fickle glen]

rain hit counts twice right?

1.55 min

rain>blazingpalm>frostpalm

I think I should get a better macro tbh looks really bad 🤦

[sleek musk]

2,8/s

yeah

Tho idk how the new meter counts ice rains badge effect

im still on the act

[fickle glen]

max is 3?

or 2.9

[sleek musk]

3,75

[fickle glen]

🤔

how much ping u need for that lol

[sleek musk]

i do have 7-8ms

tho i havent seen anyone replicate that as of right now

Closest ive seen was around 3.5

[fickle glen]

do you just hold 2?

[sleek musk]

Nah 2 lmb rmb spam, as everyone else does

[fickle glen]

how is that max tho

I just cant see it

[loud linden]

wtb EU

[sleek musk]

Well its max if u dont wanna lose out lmb/rmb dmg

Or what do u mean exactly?

[fickle glen]

isnt cast speed is .4 with boost up

🤔

whats ur dps with that count

lol

[sleek musk]

35-36k

[fickle glen]

how much on hae?

[sleek musk]

Badge does count twice tho so its technically not 3.7X/s but yeah u get the point

like 24k or so if i can play properly

lvl53

[fickle glen]

my log only shows 2 🤔

[sleek musk]

I go off of ACT numbers

seems to be the simplest way to just go off of those counts

but yeah like ive said the 3,7X/s is inflated due to badge

[fickle glen]

maybe I should use 1 and x manually

after 2. or 3. day of bsh I just added everything to macro xddddd

[sleek musk]

oh yes u should

[fervent pond]

Tf lol

U just 1 and x off cd?

[fickle glen]

thats what 20h gaming a day does to a man

[fervent pond]

Get help bro LOL

[fickle glen]

on first week of the patch? never

[fervent pond]

It’s never that important

[fickle glen]

kaari money isnt coming from air 😔

Also full macro gameplay lets you play tft on mobile!

win win!

[fervent pond]

mental illness

ur brain is fried

also we’re far from the first week of patch lol

[fickle glen]

i did that back then, and was just using the same thing

I'm not farming 20h anymore 😔

[sleek musk]

I could never do that, my brain would be fried

[fervent pond]

no normal person should lol

i enjoy the game but not that much lol

[fickle glen]

https://tenor.com/bEGlz.gif

[slow magnet]

you macro 1 and x wtf

[jagged hull]

Are you also macroing z

[fickle glen]

yea when Im lazy

whats wrong with it

I don't believe you guys just sit there and watch the fight all the time

[terse fiber]

Who is the funny guy on EU

[slow magnet]

wdym i have to move out of the boss attacks lol

[fickle glen]

16 meter gameplay

works

👍

[slow magnet]

16m gameplay when you pull aggro on hae mujin is not a good time

[fickle glen]

blame team

[slow magnet]

how is that their fault though lol

[fickle glen]

also that macro makes sure ur not the top dps!

[slow magnet]

actually try maybe

true

maybe not

eventually itll kind of get in sync with the 1 x cooldown

because its gated by the 1 cooldown time

[fickle glen]

it does but 🤷‍♂️ I kinda lost hope in this game after not having any mech

[slow magnet]

what do you mean theres mech on CS and BSH Training

[fickle glen]

💀

or just have a decent gear and survive the bot damage

idk

I tried live but oh my god that ice fm

[slow magnet]

haha

sorry

lmao

[fickle glen]

😟

okay Ill let that one go

delete before its too late

[crystal idol]

What mech in training bruh

[slow magnet]

the robots??

[crystal idol]

I sit back, hold macro

[slow magnet]

those are mechs

[crystal idol]

Yea but if ur not tanking, just press ur iframe once in a while

Eat some chips

[slow magnet]

if you want aggro reset you can just let yourself get hit by it

it also removes all your bleed stacks

technically that is a mechanic

[crystal idol]

Yea that works too

Feel like I barely move when I play FM tbh

[slow magnet]

FM tank hae mujin and you will be moving a lot lol

[crystal idol]

Pain in the ass for melee too

[slow magnet]

out of circle, back to him, out of circle, back to him, walkm through him, out of circle, back to him

walk through him twice

so much move

[slow magnet]

you can make him not move too much if you dont use Q/E and just walk out of the circlular AOEs and back in

[crystal idol]

Kinda hard to walk out of red aoe

[fervent pond]

Lost hope but still playing 20h a day

Honestly tanking as fm makes me pay a lot more attention

I find playing ranged without aggro makes me sleepy

[fickle glen]

that was

the first week

😠

[fervent pond]

So next patch u won’t be playing 20h a day first week then right? 🙂

[fickle glen]

I got a job now so probably not 😔 unemployed life was good

[pallid grotto]

i want my last bb for 20k ty 😄

[slow magnet]

you can walk out of it by flipping camera almost 90 degrees to the side at the maximum angle you can still target him, and walking sideways

[uncut wigeon]

is blackram supply chain even worth considering how much better the skyhaven resist stats are?

[fickle glen]

well you already put the chef there

its just 30g + free ap on alts

but not worth on main

[lyric stump]

we are eating good tonight

[opal bolt]

my man rolled every 3 purple main skills

now that's cheating

[lyric stump]

not char yet

my gamble payed off

I haven't rolled anything good from my blue chests, always 250 price books

saved couple and transmuted

I still don't believe it worked

[jagged hull]

Youre crazy xd

[dreamy sparrow]

Anyone NA selling purple blazing beam and blazing wall?

[slow magnet]

I have a friend who wants those sell them to him instead

Kellyy trying to poach our FM books

[dreamy sparrow]

Im just doing my job xD

[potent jasper]

you selling?

[odd breach]

how much Ice Rain purple would cost these days ?

[lyric stump]

yes but its on EU

[lyric stump]

I think 40kish, not sure

[potent jasper]

rip

[sleek musk]

no it doesnt

[lyric stump]

how much is it?

[heady bolt]

for big dps fm better build dragon/beam/ice ?

[distant inlet]

Yes

[pallid grotto]

Leg tier: ice superior
Purple tier: dc probably strongest, all 3 work fine
Blue tier: bb

[heady bolt]

thankyou!

[lyric stump]

how did ice rains drop so much lol

meanwhile beam still expansive and people consider it the worst skill out of the three

[jagged hull]

I wonder if blue tier is still accurate if you account for cost difference

Dont know what the numbers are rn but 5 blue chars for 1 blue beam hasnt been unusual.

[pallid grotto]

Thanks to current event prices drop hard

[distant inlet]

Blue Char > BB?

[pallid grotto]

We account dps flat without any GM, not cost

Blue char sucks, anilock is ugly af, perma focus issues, bleh

My experience, purple is a lot better, issues fixed

BB no diff

[jagged hull]

Focus issues are pretty minor

[distant inlet]

I seem to not have focus issues with blue char, but I do use dragonfrost occassionally, My critrate is giga low atm

[jagged hull]

Im definetly curious how purple feels, maybe one day

But I also want to try Ice 😔

Gotta get that healing C to feel somewhat like SF is back

[pallid grotto]

Frost tornado best yep

And healing with cards

[lyric stump]

why not beam tho lol

i mean it dropped but not hard

[pallid grotto]

Cause that's the go-to spec on blue for most, also least ping reliant and easiest to play (without purple books)

It will come down more eventually but u basicly stack one skill on fm and don't need as many compared to other classes

[lyric stump]

WTS EU

No Aoe makes it suck

[pallid grotto]

Most bosses are single target so is w/e, current content is more focused on aoe, future content we dunno

[lyric stump]

is there like a setting where it makes u lock on bosses? everytime anything comes infront of the boss my aim moves to them

[pallid grotto]

There is a sensitivity setting ingame yes

How "fast" it should swap target

[lyric stump]

what percent should i make it ?

[pallid grotto]

Try out what works for u

[lyric stump]

ngl i don't feel a difference

is this effective on pilled enemies ?

[fickle glen]

Still trying for 40?

[brittle junco]

Why we don’t use inferno in the ice rain build ?

[faint stone]

cause you can't instant cast it so its dps loss

better to weave in more ice rains instead

[pallid grotto]

You could

But need impact

[brittle junco]

Inferno insta cast im not talking about fiend fire

[pallid grotto]

Losing the other skill on 1 which makes it bleh

[brittle junco]

Infernoooooo

[pallid grotto]

That one or another ice rain is prob outscaling

For the long cd

Since inferno only really does dmg on cced targets

[brittle junco]

It have good dmg for free i mean look

[pallid grotto]

Extra ice rain (6.6% skill dmg) prob outscales

How long is cd of inferno?

[brittle junco]

45 second

[pallid grotto]

45s 15-20k hit when ur normal ice rain hits 17-20k and u cast it 2-3x per sec, low spenders 11-14k

Cost 3-4k on market for purple

[brittle junco]

Your ice rain dose 20k xD i do only 7k

[pallid grotto]

Single skill, how many hits per sec?

How many hits in 45s?

Add 6% (purple above gm36)
Is it worth?

[brittle junco]

Yeah ice rain stack is better

[pallid grotto]

If u have less gm it's even more gains

[brittle junco]

Thanks 🤝🏻

[pallid grotto]

If u put a blue ice rain at gm36+ u can prob argue this is equal or better depending how much speed u gain

[brittle junco]

Look her “icrreases ranged attack speed”
the speed gained if i have the skill equipped all the time
or when i use the skill for some time

[pallid grotto]

Prob 2nd

After use temporary boost

But how much "boost"

No measurements available

Needs testing

[brittle junco]

What if the speed gained all the time

[pallid grotto]

"What if" does nothing until tested

😄

On low and high ping both

For short and longer time intervals

Let us know your results

[brittle junco]

I will test it by removing my rb and see the speed of 2 and lb change difference

Since rb have the same speed increase

[pallid grotto]

No

Bruh

You test a viable setup, nobody gonna remove their rmb cause focus cost

Also u spam rmb 24/7 so if it is only temporary speed buff you gain no info about it at all

[brittle junco]

Test on tower dummy trust me i know what im doing

[pallid grotto]

You do a normal parse with and without using the skill for 20s, 1min, 3min and compare counts

Removing any skills from base setup aint giving any results

[ocean forge]

yeah its actually so good no?

what if we just stack inferno instead also??

[lyric stump]

35

[brittle junco]

More dmg more range more kd 😂

[ocean forge]

damn we still using Hae mujin soul for dmg?

hell yeah

[brittle junco]

Hell yeah 😂

[median sonnet]

it doesnt increase your attack speed

it just decreases the skill's gcd

its not like a buff, sadly

[brittle junco]

Yes alex confirmed this what my test result says 🙂‍↕️

[median sonnet]

[coarse furnace]

Wtb purple dragonchar and blazing beam in eu

[dreamy sparrow]

Still looking for purple blazing beams and blazing wall NA

[lyric stump]

another dopamine moment

[fickle glen]

wtf

[lyric stump]

yeah idk how, there was another one lower than mine

[fickle glen]

honestly I just don't understand people at this point

[lyric stump]

ig he bought both

[fickle glen]

but like

[jagged hull]

The blue ice rains are also gone

Someone rerolled?

[fickle glen]

if he could overpay for both

why he just didnt buy them when they were 30k each

💀

[fickle glen]

no blue ice rains are single handedly sold by 1 person

[lyric stump]

yeah he bought both, i don't see the other one on market

fk what a moment ruiner

[lyric stump]

why do we have fkin taxes in the game ? 2.8k gone to the system

[fickle glen]

nc AMERICA

?

[tranquil prawn]

Its like irl

Gotta pay taxes for everything

[fickle glen]

Do people really expect fms to do bleed

why everyone wants that book

[lyric stump]

how much does purple palm cost? lmb

[fickle glen]

I have seen it go down to 9k when there was 4 of them

but tbh fm market is doomed

as you know from your ice rain experience 💀

so you never know!

[ocean forge]

if anyone willing to pay 35k for purple rain lmk ✌️😔

[fickle glen]

any flippers

[lyric stump]

ty

currently someone selling it 12.5k, feels too much

[tranquil prawn]

If youre running the dual dragon cd badge you can bleed pretty good

And purple dd is always 5 bleed stacks at least

[wise umbra]

Anyone have a low ping parse, hits count on blazing beam please?

[terse fiber]

it will always be max 1/s. Usually lower since you need to waste gcd for shock fire, balefire or any other skills

It has cd of 1s so you cant cast faster than than and there is no boosting like with icerain or char

[wise umbra]

How much hits the dps meter count per bb? 2 becuase of the dodge? Or that is more something?

[terse fiber]

with soul badge and burn applied it does 3 hits. 1 base damage, 1 additional from badge, 1 additional from attacking burning target

[lyric stump]

WTB blazing palm EU

[tranquil prawn]

I do like 46-50 beams/min on average for dummy

Depends on how dogshit i play

50 i only get if its perfect though

[sleek sphinx]

hello i play with blazing beam how is the opener and the rotation??? i will better play so i ask

[loud linden]

WTB EU

[lyric stump]

is this better than shock fire?

[pallid grotto]

person selling purple BBs 25k in EU dm me

[livid magnet]

hellu fellow FM's, would having a single unstacked Ice Rain (on a semi complete ice build) be good enough for an alt for alt content (mushin, blues, bbr) purposes or would that be worse than having a full green fire build?

[fickle glen]

you need force blast, cold snap, massive snowball, and badge for it

[livid magnet]

so it will perform worse by default than an uninvested green fire build then?

[fickle glen]

it wont work without those books

so yes

[livid magnet]

ah ok

I can get the books but I refuse to stack

or gear up (badges I mean)

[fickle glen]

downtime is long without badges

[livid magnet]

nodnod, thanks

[lyric stump]

which better for bb build? purple blazing palm or infernal blow?

[fickle glen]

palm if you can play it

[lyric stump]

wdym?

[fickle glen]

palm is better if you have enough braincells to apply burn

you only need 2 braincells to manage that

its higher average than what fm players have tho

[lyric stump]

kek

I was wondering cus i just found infernal blow from tansmuting

ig i will sell it then

[opal bolt]

can i have your luck? my 3 last purple were cold snap, ice coil and body double

it's getting a little bit annoying

[sleek sphinx]

any blazing beam fm here he/she can me help for question?

[viral carbon]

"ranged attack speed" is projectile speed

[jagged hull]

I hope youre not the one trying to sell ice coil for 20k+ lol

[wary yacht]

Blazing beam don’t playable? Every top at wb is either ice or char

[fickle glen]

Minus is the only whale beam we have in moonwater so eh

[wary yacht]

What is correct name of “minus”?

[fickle glen]

minusdkp

[tranquil prawn]

TSK is pumping a bit more though

[fickle glen]

I just thought he was on moonwater since its literally impossible to not see TSK on meter since Noush did quit I guess?

[tranquil prawn]

true

[wary yacht]

should I swap?

[tranquil prawn]

im mostly not there when wb is up cause of work

[fickle glen]

yes kd bad go dps brr

[wary yacht]

have 12 gm, all books are tradable

[tranquil prawn]

if you legit wanna maximize dps with skills that are gettable go dragonchar

[jolly oriole]

We have a whale bb in heavens reach "steven" they have legendary shock fire & bb

[tranquil prawn]

youre forced to have purple dragonchar though

oh steven actually bought it

hes down bad xD

[fickle glen]

we all wait some gambling addict to gamble on legendaries here 👍

[tranquil prawn]

@inland cargo did you actually get legy bb? xD

[jolly oriole]

I was in cs group with him yesterday was surprised he had

[wary yacht]

a small clarification, I have 170 ping, will be char playable?

[tranquil prawn]

well youre cooked

[fickle glen]

blazing beam brrr

[wary yacht]

I know

[tranquil prawn]

i guess you can stay beam with that ping

[wary yacht]

ty

[severe sparrow]

can someone help me? feel like i should be doing more than i am rn

[fervent pond]

how much are you doing lol

[severe sparrow]

sry i cut that out without realising

[fervent pond]

is this on a dummy?

and how long is the fight

[severe sparrow]

3:54 on winter mane

[lyric stump]

got that ice coil too,

[fervent pond]

what level are you

[severe sparrow]

53

have 930 acc, idk if thats a problem or not

[fervent pond]

should be fine at your level

are you macroing

your ice rain/sec is a lil low

[severe sparrow]

ok thx, if i got my hands on an purple how much more dmg would i be doing?

u know?

[lyric stump]

my money managment suck, somehow i wasted 20k in 4 hours

anyone selling purple blazing palm EU?

[jagged hull]

Purple ice rain is 17,9% more damage on ice rain.

So half that would be your dps increase

[brittle junco]

Play what you like

[severe sparrow]

i see thx

[brittle junco]

Try it with blue books and sell them back if you don’t like it

How much you’re ping Lotus ?

[fickle glen]

not worth to 30k tbh

just gear up

and ignore the purple book

[severe sparrow]

yea, i still have the bottom accessories to get/upgrade and badges with bad stats, thx for the help

[severe sparrow]

sry didnt see the msg, around 50 ms, already asked about it before, got told it wouldnt make much diference, its an ok ping to have

[lyric stump]

who is the seller ? EU

[dreamy sparrow]

Still looking for purple blazing beams and blazing wall NA

[wicked citrus]

Curious about pointers of my dps chart, i don't have purple blazing palm so that's why my blazing palm count is lower

this was 3 minutes test run

curious moreso about how ratios / hits per second look

[lyric stump]

WTB EU

[molten flint]

i kick ppl instantly / never accept people with purple blazing palm. it messes up other fm's fiend fire. a purple blazing palm user drops my dps by 3K and i'm not even a fire FM. imagine playing blazing beam and someone keeps resetting amber when you need to burn target with 1

[distant inlet]

That's why nobody likes Ice fms

[molten flint]

hah i use inferno blow and i dont run into energy issues

not sure why ppl insist on using that god forsaken purple blazing book

[molten flint]

i wonder if this is a ping difference. 1170 hits in 3 min

im doing 820 lol

(not using dual dragons) blue ice rain GM 12

848AP 3001/2346

same thing but with wicked dragons ><

[lyric stump]

bc it does a alot of dmg

how is there only one selling it on EU

[wicked citrus]

My ping is 20-30

Idk when I was dragonchar, I didnt care if ice fms had purple blazing palm

I was able to proc my stuff fine

But probably cuz i’m low ping

Oh i also dont use skills like Meteor Shower / Balefire / fiend fire

Spam 2rt macro, use z and x off cooldown, then use 1 to lower x cd

[molten flint]

not really.. compared to inferno? and also, you'll drop your teams overall dps if u have a fire fm

[wicked citrus]

It does though

I’m not gonna respec every time I’m the only fm

Purple blazing palm does more than infernal blow by a lot

[distant inlet]

Why would u bring 2 fms anyway

The class is not strong enough to stack, Just bring a summoner if u need a 2nd ranged

Stack bm, kfm or bd instead

[wicked citrus]

I don’t really understand the mentality of being angry over other fms using purple blazing palm

You’re able to still proc your own stuff if you know how to manage your stacks yourself

I mean you cant macro it all and consistently do it, but if you just macro 2rt and do everything else you can still proc your fiend fires well

[molten flint]

? u get rid of 5 stack amber consistently. its hard to time shock fire. if u miss thats 8 second burn downtime and no insta fiend cast

[molten flint]

look at your own numbers compared to mine, im on blue. unless the dps meter doesnt count in amber explosion

[wicked citrus]

When I was dragonchar, I’d use dual dragons into 1 and proc it consistently it’s tight but doable

But idk if thats just my ping is low

[molten flint]

say u do 100k more per 3 minutes. your extra 555/s cost other fm 3 4k/s

anyway, if u are the only FM then good ? wont affect u

so me saying i kick / wont accept purple fm wont affect u o_O

[wicked citrus]

I never said it did

I’m saying I dont get the mentality

[pallid grotto]

use impact with bb build not shockfire

[wicked citrus]

It’s a gain for the other fm too

[molten flint]

your selfishness affects other ppls dps lol hows that hard to understand

[wicked citrus]

Yeah it hurts your dos

But there’s them also gaining dos

Dps

[distant inlet]

Never accept other fm's if you're an fm

It's that simple

[pallid grotto]

in the end whole party kills a boss, not you alone

[molten flint]

you can keep spamming it till u get that 5 stack amber

[wicked citrus]

Bc it affects yours but boosts another

[molten flint]

thats your dps loss when u cant

[wicked citrus]

Like who cares if my dps is low for one fight and theres is higher

They still gained more dps for the whole party

[molten flint]

lololol....

[pallid grotto]

u know there is something called GCD i hope

[molten flint]

based on your parse and mine

no

[wicked citrus]

Like if youre mad its your own dps lower then i guess

[distant inlet]

Go play summoner lolol

[wicked citrus]

But the other fm is still picking up the loss of my dps

[molten flint]

that makes it worse. i have to wait and time gcd while u just spam LB and wreck amber stacks

lolol

[pallid grotto]

if u fail to do your combo cause u don't know how to deal with ur own GCDs and have trash ping then u gonna suffer eitherway

[wicked citrus]

Yeah

[molten flint]

your extra 555 /s is nth compared to losing 4k+/s due to burn loss

give or take

[wicked citrus]

I’m not even purple blazing palm

[molten flint]

it doesn't do "alot more" dmg

[wicked citrus]

So dont use my dps chart as a reference

[molten flint]

oh diff person

[jagged hull]

💀

[wicked citrus]

Like ???

[distant inlet]

Just wondering, Is Burn shared across all fm's?

[jagged hull]

Yes

[molten flint]

yes

[pallid grotto]

ok lemme just clarify one thing

if you are using purple palm and u don't apply burn urself
u just SUCK

amen

[distant inlet]

so I can get my bot friend to just shockfire for me

Excellent

[molten flint]

so if u get purple palm, u might not get 100% burn uptime

unless yea

youre the only fm

[wicked citrus]

But at the end of the day when I was dragonchar, and another fm had purple blazing palm, idgaf, I’m losing dps but the other fm is gaining dps, overall the Group isn’t losing much dps

[pallid grotto]

ofc u do have 100% uptime if u know what u do
but it's easy to fail it

[wicked citrus]

If we clear, who cares if my dps is lower

[molten flint]

imagine having to stare at the counter to hit 5 cast your skill and miss cause it reseted

[pallid grotto]

keis, do u play bb or dc

question 1

[molten flint]

now u gotta wait to stack up 5 and hopefully your 1 catches it or u got baelfire ready

[molten flint]

neither. i play ice. but i use to play with BB and dc

i tried all

[pallid grotto]

ok then why do u rant about something ur no longer affected with and never figured out how to deal with

[wicked citrus]

Especially something that isn’t hurting the group’s total dps

[molten flint]

?? ppl saying blazing palm purple is good

[pallid grotto]

yes it sucks to "lose" dps but the only time u might care is worldboss

[molten flint]

its not

and then?

[wicked citrus]

It IS???

[distant inlet]

it's good

[pallid grotto]

it's free 5k dps for me idk

[wicked citrus]

How is it NOT good

[molten flint]

i never figured out? lol... how u wanna beat someone refreshing 5 stack amber?

[wicked citrus]

It’s a free burst every 5 stacks

[distant inlet]

It's good, it's just annoying if you have multiple FM's

But wcyd

[pallid grotto]

if u have multiple fms and play impact u can also snipe it more often

[molten flint]

and if u dont..

[wicked citrus]

You fail to understand the fact that it’s a gain for another fm

[molten flint]

and a loss for another fm

i am very aware of that

[wicked citrus]

SO ITS THE SAME GROUP Dps

[pallid grotto]

what skills apply ember stacks other than lmb?

[molten flint]

and then ppl moana nd complain u parse not enough

[distant inlet]

if u don't ur just bad

It is what it is

[lyric stump]

just dd1 and your problem solved

[wicked citrus]

Exactly

Dual dragons into 1

You can proc it yourself

[distant inlet]

And balefire

[pallid grotto]

.

[molten flint]

u can do all that and as long as they ani cancel LB those stacks get refreshed

so u cant get your BB or char bonus dmg

[pallid grotto]

what skills apply ember stacks other than lmb?

what skills apply ember stacks other than lmb?

what skills apply ember stacks other than lmb?

[distant inlet]

[lyric stump]

all fire skills

[molten flint]

and if you keep trying to catch it then u dbps loss lol

[distant inlet]

Dragonfrost, Surely

[jagged hull]

Almost

[pallid grotto]

dd has no gcd lock nor anilock

use dd then insta 1

if u use shockfire stop holding macro to cast it so it's not on GCD with ur bb

happy

u get burn on target, amen

[distant inlet]

but another fm sniped it

[molten flint]

sounds alot simpler to just not party ppl with purple palm lol

[distant inlet]

[pallid grotto]

this happens very rarely and if it does

[molten flint]

ive failed BSH because of purple palm users

[pallid grotto]

pray they know how to apply burn

[distant inlet]

hahahaha

no way

[molten flint]

kick and change to any scrub and it works out better

[molten flint]

yea. when u are all parsing at like 13k and someone runs purple now u do 9

they cant pick up your slack

[pallid grotto]

if u fail bsh in general...and it's not a dps issue.... then there is no help idk

[molten flint]

kick them out

goes back to 13 even

[lyric stump]

now the real question is, why no one selling palm in eu

[distant inlet]

Bre

[lyric stump]

only one person and he is a delusional

[distant inlet]

Using it

[pallid grotto]

not using it is dps loss

[lyric stump]

by alot yup

[distant inlet]

Just press lmb guys

It ain't hard

if u afk at profane and put a eternal LMB macro, u can farm essences for a full day

Thats how much dps it does

[pallid grotto]

ok enough memer gang

i think he knows now

it's doable, and yes it can be annoying

but if the other fm doesn't apply burn himself

just BLAME him for that

literally

[molten flint]

i know now? lol

[pallid grotto]

it's not bad
but it has potential to be extra annoying if ppl dunno what they do

nor care and just hold macro while watching series, can happen

average f8 experience ig

[distant inlet]

f7* this ain't 2018 old man

[pallid grotto]

dw f8 will be back..

[distant inlet]

I hope so

Windstriding is a ripoff

[molten flint]

no one uses f7 in CN or TW all F8 or world chat

emptyy

[distant inlet]

What time is it there

[molten flint]

5pm

[distant inlet]

Also China has a different system

[molten flint]

youll never see a party listed

[distant inlet]

So that's a dumb comparisson

[molten flint]

TW is the same system

-_-

[distant inlet]

well then...

[molten flint]

dumb comprehension

[wicked citrus]

LOL

[pallid grotto]

did u know.. blazing wall also removes embers and explodes just like purple palm..

i use both, ultimate threat

[distant inlet]

[pallid grotto]

did anyone do some testing about the 5 bleed stacks of dd if they are worth it? or get extra main dps book instead

[distant inlet]

This isn't from FM but 5 stacks of bleed was +- 70k dmg on Mujin + the blocking of him healing ofc

[pallid grotto]

fight duration?

[distant inlet]

Not sure, 40-45s left on his enrage

[lyric stump]

how much does metor shower sells for? purple

[pallid grotto]

between 4-6k avg

[lyric stump]

nice

just transmuted one 😄

its defnitely my lucky week

btw do f5 market share between the 2 servers ?

cus I couldn't find the person selling the palm on mw

hes listing it for 12k lol

last night it was 12.5k and didn't work for him

500 won't make different

[distant inlet]

Yes.

[lyric stump]

ig he is from cinderland then

[distant inlet]

Or he just doesnt read worldchat

[lyric stump]

been asking for 18hours now in chat

defentily cinderland

[distant inlet]

I have my chat disabled

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weirdo kek

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Couldn't care less what ppl where saying in wordlchat haha

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how do you play without chat

[distant inlet]

Oops I ment, Worldchat disabled*

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same thing kek

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It's all moaning, negativity or spam anyway

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true but can be helpful sometimes

[distant inlet]

Really? 🙃

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anyone in cinderlands here?

I want you to hunt that guy there for me

[terse fiber]

You can create account and character there if you want it so bad

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wait 7 days

[distant inlet]

Make a new acc

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nah cba

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idk how am even close to this guy, he is BD 36gm on wind sever

bsh1

[idle wolf]

nice dips

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f2p

with some luck