Force Master

[fervent pond]

Ur guys’ dps disparity is so big tho

[sharp grotto]

less whales

[fervent pond]

Hmm actually maybe we’re kinda equal on population

At least fm pop

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342965000771473438/1364074220946194462/image.png?ex=680ba45d&is=680a52dd&hm=ba0275d5cca73163df3a7233fa532d32b0d3c20137e30545483774654740521a&

Our top 5 is always cycling between the same ppl lol

[sharp grotto]

Well EU pop dropped more than 60%

On moonwater

Went from 45-50ch during wb to 15-19 max

I dont get how u guys are not hitting 40k dps tho

Whats the gear?

[slow magnet]

told you zero two mega leviathan

[tranquil prawn]

Nellan dealing 40k once and now hes like how you're not dealing 40k??

[ocean forge]

You are 7 with blue rain? @fickle glen

[fickle glen]

yes

hi

I was 6 on my screen 🤔

i got caught to spin tho, I can get top 4-5 easily when whales isnt around. Meaning weekdays/morning weekend ones

[tranquil prawn]

[sharp grotto]

Dude noush is doing like 43k

Or smth

Maybe he just macro and afk

[fickle glen]

he doesnt have tank prob :p

[tranquil prawn]

What do you expect him to deal?

[sharp grotto]

Im talking abt wb

Way more than me

TSK showed screen

[fickle glen]

wb is annoying to tank tho 🤔

[sharp grotto]

No

Chill

[tranquil prawn]

Tsk is just gaming

[sharp grotto]

Tsk was like 41k

Pumper

[fickle glen]

idk i just keep knocked down 😔 skillissue

[sharp grotto]

So noush 45k max

[fickle glen]

buff ice 👍

[tranquil prawn]

Buff beam

Or nerf dragonchar

[sharp grotto]

Bruh

Coming for my skill

Nobody plays it in korwa

If anything will get buffed

[tranquil prawn]

Stfu

[sharp grotto]

koreans are like

Iceu

Fire full ignored

[tranquil prawn]

Beam needs 18% atk speed increase on purple

[sharp grotto]

Bro did the calcs even

[fickle glen]

I would pay for faster beam tbh

[tranquil prawn]

Brain Calcs

[fickle glen]

i love the sound of it

asmr

[sharp grotto]

Its fine we get new book

Lightning 2

[tranquil prawn]

wat

[sharp grotto]

Im saying they prob will give us

3rd jobs

As new skill book

In the future

[tranquil prawn]

[sharp grotto]

How else thex gonna Print?

[vague prairie]

they already gave fm a new 2

[tranquil prawn]

They already are

[sharp grotto]

That shits for pvp

[vague prairie]

-1sec on cold snap and snowball per dragonchar

[sharp grotto]

They print on taiwan

[tranquil prawn]

Ice rain went for 40 and 48k gems today

[sharp grotto]

Wb wep sells for 600k in tw

Crazy

And they got like 17ch on mushin

We got 4

[tranquil prawn]

Our price scaling for books isn't going down

Its going up

[sharp grotto]

Cz nobody gambles

Price would go down if ppl had some

Brains

[vague prairie]

its negative gold to transmute r/n

both blue>purp and purp>leg

maybe some classes is positive e(x)

but des is definitely not

[sharp grotto]

Fm not at all

Prob BM,BD,KFM

[vague prairie]

bd is similar to des distribution, so prob not

[tranquil prawn]

All i want is legy impact

Inferno build

[vague prairie]

only LF cdr and wind sever are big hits on bd

storm cleave/whirling/flaming is barely double the transmute cost

and then everything else is losing money

[tranquil prawn]

Bd is the most broken class though

[vague prairie]

idk book market is fked

they need to let you smash like 10 blues same into purp vers of skill

or some non rng way of farming books

[fervent pond]

my ping is like 70, worse during wb

my stats

[sharp grotto]

Ok explains

[fervent pond]

i have 24 gm ice rain

[sharp grotto]

Ping issue

[fervent pond]

yea if i had 10 ping i'd def be able to get way more ice rains in lol

[lyric stump]

man we need a video to show us how ice rain rotation works (blue ice rain)

[slow magnet]

Any NA FMs want to buy a true siren necklace i made for no reason?

[carmine thistle]

Yes, 43-45k

[distant inlet]

Hello, Just levelled my FM to 45 and wondering what build to go for...
Does anybody have a quick tldr?
All I know is Ice seems to be the whale "you need crit" build?

[pallid grotto]

Ice = most expensive but possibly meta in future (leg op)
BB = easiest to play (w/o wall and purple palm), single target
DC = generally cheapest (currently inflated), focus eater

[distant inlet]

Ice and BB use 2rt (maybe f) macro right?
Dragonchar use RT and 2222?

Sorry one more question, Is there a skill guide somewhere?
So I know what skills to get

[pallid grotto]

For fire builds (bb/dc):
1: shock fire / impact (focus or perma available)
2: ur main dps skill bb/dc
3: none (stun qol, focus for DC qol)
4: none
Lmb: blazing palm
Rmb: frost palm
F: dd (quick dd) - "optional" but recommended especially on low gear

Fire stance bottom:
Z: none (kd qol)
X: fiend fire
C: balefire
V: meteors (wall if purple for trihards)

Ice bottom:
Z: none
X: none
C: any u like
V: ice sheath (recommended)

Soul badge obv the skill u chose
Mystic badge recommend meteor/wall cdr, dd one can help with focus if u play DC spec

Cannot 100% tell about ice spec cause i didn't look into it in depth, someone else needs to do that

[distant inlet]

Wall?
Like, Blazing wall?

[pallid grotto]

Only purple version for cdmg%

[distant inlet]

Blazing beam looks very straight forward

Tysm, Ill start with that one

[ocean forge]

What ice rotation u press Z then 2rt?

[fleet wolf]

2*5m makes it ass in end game contents, Meteor is the go to

[fickle glen]

i am pretty sure damage and the dmg bonus is worth it

[fleet wolf]

It’s not when you can’t hit moving targets, and running out of focus on Char spec without Dragon badge

[fickle glen]

both of the biggest chair users in eu uses it

🤷‍♂️

[fleet wolf]

For WB sure, dmg boost when stationary

[fickle glen]

I saw them using on dungeon too but okay

[sharp grotto]

Meteor is useless

Just melee

Wall does more dmg than fiendfire

And i can keep cdmg buff for 45s during burst if i dont int

All top 3 fms on wb use it in ru

Eu*

[pallid grotto]

Until we reach the point where 10% cdmg is worth less than flat skill dmg (meteors diff to wall) wall will always be better, though takes a bit of effort to play it clean, not just spam everything off cd :)

[jagged hull]

Gotta avoid getting cced even once or you lose all benefit though

(Compared to staying further away with Meteor)

I guess most of you are already forced to stay close to the boss anyway

Not at a point where a purple Wall would be a good purchase myself

[pallid grotto]

it was on market for 1.5k, i got it and already benefit, keeping my meteors tho might want them in future content

[jagged hull]

Thats cheaper than I thought it would be 🤔

[fickle glen]

its not stackable book afterall 🤷‍♂️

util books are average 2-3 from what I seen

unless someone just randomly put it fot 15k

[pallid grotto]

If we had cdr on stacking wall
That'd be dope

Get 3 purple walls and gg

Could have almost perma uptime

[unkempt horizon]

WTB: Crit damage + Crit Rate/Accuracy Legendary Gloves or Bracelet on NA. PM price

[tribal lodge]

How does that work, I see the badge being able to reset wall so you can extend buff to 20s(30s if it refreshes during the 5s I guess), but how do you reach 45s?

[sharp grotto]

buff refreshes every hit,it hits 5x, so thats 15s, the trick is to have the cd go down to 20s to use first fiendfire and use the wall then use another fiendfire and put wall on 10s cd

which makes it so u can use 3 walls in a row keeping the buff

[tribal lodge]

aaah I see, yeah then it's pretty neat

thanks

[frank canopy]

Ayo what's happening with prices rn

35k char
30k beam

[sharp grotto]

its called last try on cashing out then selling ur gems angle from many

[pallid grotto]

nellan sus using frost tornado in pve build

[lyric bay]

free hp pot 💰

[pallid grotto]

more useful than our gutted block i guess

[main roost]

neo made me $400

now I'm free

[odd wraith]

nah they just trying to bring EU prices to match NA's

[frank canopy]

WTB Purple Ice Rain PM ME EU

[frank canopy]

Yeah game seems to dying a bit these days, will prob totally die the day dps meter stops working in EU

[fickle glen]

Caeras meter works still afaik

[tribal lodge]

never then :P

[frank canopy]

Yeah but from what i've read memory access got harder with the last NCGuard update breaking meter (In KR at least)

[main roost]

watched a vid of shadowmoor, they actually took every mechanic out and it's just dps while dodging aoes

turned it into an ff fight

😭

[pallid grotto]

[fickle glen]

ehh

no mech on b1 will be annoying

since it does truckload of damage

[pallid grotto]

just block the spin

[fickle glen]

no i mean

mech damage to the boss

[pallid grotto]

and don't be tank or RUN a lot

[fickle glen]

it does like

30%?

total in 3 phases

[pallid grotto]

8-12% per phase it was yes something

doesn't matter tho, we just get parse dummy then

[fickle glen]

what is their reasoning behind removing every mech in the game

[pallid grotto]

mobile game style, gacha tier

[fickle glen]

also can you share the link pls?

[median sonnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3-VyKj_9Ec

[main roost]

so that all that matters is dps, so ppl swipe more in order to clear

rather than having more relaxed dps requirement, and needing skill instead

last boss is legit just dodge the tentacles it looks so bad

[frank canopy]

They prob fired every game designer but one

[pallid grotto]

this hurts

[frank canopy]

Every boss is the same at range pure afk dps

[pallid grotto]

this really gives u some "cashout and dip" vibes

[main roost]

it was pretty obvious neo was a cash grab the entire time

so I didn't get too invested into it

[pallid grotto]

yes but if content is playable it's something to enjoy at least

[frank canopy]

Playing range when not tanking is straight up afk macro gaming

[pallid grotto]

welp imma keep playing as long as my bois play

[main roost]

yeah even progging junghado was fun even tho it was frustrating too, I had to actually use my brain on my alt with less damage

but then I did blood mane on patch day and it was just

I'm literally hitting a dummy for 4 minutes

dodging the robots

so I called it there

[pallid grotto]

same here but hent*i edition

[frank canopy]

you don't even need to dodge robots just E tab when too much bleed and that's it

Jung was the only thing i bit challeging yeah

[pallid grotto]

day aint as bad today

[fickle glen]

wait so

[pallid grotto]

it actually looks fancy

[fickle glen]

they redesigned whole dungeon

to remove mech

cool investment

[fallen salmon]

redesigned ? Someone just tweaked some hp values and pressed ctrl + x a few times 💀

[main roost]

the last fight is much different than the original tho so there was some effort to actively remove the wipe mechanics and instead just add 20 tentacles perma dropping aoes

[fickle glen]

ye its not the same thing we did

imagine bt

without punishment, pizza, ss

💀

i guess they would remove fire breath too since it was hard to dodge for certain ppl

[main roost]

bt except its just a dungeon with 12 ppl

[fickle glen]

and feather drop too I guess since melee players xdddddddddd

icant

😭

vt without mechs doesnt sound bad tho you finally doesn't have to trust 3 people in wheelchair to heal you

[main roost]

dude

day 1 of vt

my group was stuck on boss 1 for like 3-4 hours

we kept dying to the heal phase

the person healing didn't realize you had to aim the heal

😭

they thought it was just room wide or something

[fickle glen]

i always was tank so I don't have any exp as healer but there is literally a shootcaller calling your number for it

how hard can it be to click 1 button

💀

I cant understand some ppl

[distant inlet]

There is no Blazing Beam?

What mystic badge do I use for beam build?

[main roost]

no like we got to that part fine but then the person doing the heal just wasn't aiming at the tank

because the heal was in like a 2x4 or 2x8 aoe

they were just facing somewhere random??

[fickle glen]

my guy loves to watch narnia 👍

[graceful hawk]

Every dungeon is braindead dps sponge with inflated hp to add virtual difficulty lmao

They are never releasing raids in this version

[distant inlet]

Do I just use RT2 macro for Dragonchar aswell? Ignoring its consecutive use boost?

[graceful hawk]

Idk if dragonchar uses rmb in the macro

[frank canopy]

You do ideally it's always dps

I can now understand why KR was upset about the book stacking update

Kills the market a bit

5 whales share books at a price randoms can't compete

[graceful hawk]

Yup

And it will never stabilize because of leg crafting

[fervent pond]

they really just need to give us a lot more purple books lol

doesn't even have to be selectors

but just tradeable purple books

[frank canopy]

Yeah true

I can understand that leggy is like whale territory but at least make people able to swap buildd without waiting a week or paying 500e for purple

[distant inlet]

There littarly isnt a single beam blue

:<

[frank canopy]

Yeah

the less players there is

the less books too

[distant inlet]

Well now there are but they're being ridiculous lol

[frank canopy]

And casuals actually don't participate to selling purples

This game will die the day whales are too bored to pay

[jagged hull]

Isnt that any game nowadays

[oak oasis]

WTS EU ( moon) purple blazing beam- pm me

[fickle glen]

I think

its just people buying cheap ones

and resell themselves

ice rain for example

they all get listed at same time mornings

[frank canopy]

yeah weird af

[lyric bay]

yep

[fickle glen]

like xdddddddddd

[ocean forge]

wow you should totally buy the 2k one

[distant inlet]

Euhhhhhhhhhh

[wicked citrus]

i notice sometimes in poharan

my frost sheath isnt off cooldown for the second steam vent

is there a reason this happens, is it like fast dps?

[fervent pond]

yes

or if you cat pinned you might've delayed the first steam mech

[wicked citrus]

gotcha, ty!!

[graceful hawk]

When that happens you tab freeze yourself and let the rest of the party fend for themselves

[wicked citrus]

and i sure did just that

not my problem!!

[frank canopy]

WTB EU

[frank canopy]

Someone making sure he's top 10 or what

ddos 1 min before wb

seems sus

[odd wraith]

wts NA heavens reach perfect place holder until u get cr/cd legendary

[fickle glen]

wts eu

[queen nest]

https://i.imgur.com/y1KvlAF.png thoughts?

[frank canopy]

How long is this

[queen nest]

3:56

Cold Storage

u can be 100% honest with me I've got thick skin 💪

[frank canopy]

You don't macro right ?

Your beam rate seems right but your R/T rates seem a bit off

[vague prairie]

not enough frost palms, and either not enough blazing beams or your burn uptime is not optimal

hard to tell without full log

[severe sparrow]

any idea of good macro timings for ice rain? dont know much about it so i just put rt2 in order with 0sec delay in between

[lone eagle]

WTB Blazing Beam ( Heroic ) (EU: Moonwater)

[ocean forge]

I run 2rt with 1ms between all

[zenith moss]

Can someone educate me about the FM builds?

Is there a choice?

[tranquil prawn]

There are 3 main skills and all are playable

[zenith moss]

is there a guide somewhere? I tried to search.

To save you from typing.

[fickle glen]

#1344307140436955177 pins

[zenith moss]

appreciate you!

[tranquil prawn]

Basically beam and dragonchar fire builds. Beam would be the lazy single target build where macro isn't really needed to play it. Dragonchar is like 10% better compared to beam if you have the skill as purple book and its also aoe but macro kinda required. And last there's ice rain which requires blue book at least and needs complete different skillbooks

If you're not minmaxing like crazy though all 3 builds are viable and playable

[zenith moss]

is one of the builds cheaper to build?

[tranquil prawn]

Just depends on play style

[zenith moss]

(based on being less popular or stacking less books )

[fickle glen]

beam has access to greens so I would say its the cheapest

[zenith moss]

oh i mean, for blue/purple

[tranquil prawn]

Beam i would recommend as starter

Dragonchar is cheaper at blue stage but

It gets good with purple book only in my opinion

I would get all fire blue books and also beam and once you go for purple ditch beam and get dragonchar

Blue beam and dragonchar dif should be like 1k gems

But personally i hate blue dragonchar

[zenith moss]

and the ice rain build? i think i saw a korea video on it

[tranquil prawn]

Prob most expensive atm cause that requires stacking the skill to get real good

Also viable though

In terms of dps its around same as beam

[zenith moss]

thanks that helped a lot

[distant inlet]

What macro u use for Dragonchar if onyly blue book?

[tranquil prawn]

Got no idea never touched a macro ever for this game

Surely there are some others in here though

[severe sparrow]

ok ok thx

[fickle glen]

i dont understand the macro usage for dragonchar 🤔

maybe for purple lmb but feels weird still

[distant inlet]

Do u just macro lb rb 2 or whats up? Xd

[zenith moss]

what are the BIS badges? for fire

[fickle glen]

well considering this

i think leg prices wont be similar to kr

surely right

[frank canopy]

Guys

Someone bought

a purple ice

to 80% of the price

of a leggy

XDDDDDDDDDDD

[fickle glen]

also consider that

[frank canopy]

Tho 60k is kinda low

[fickle glen]

force blast was on 50 for a night

[frank canopy]

since it's not tiger strike

[fickle glen]

thats bis for wind

[frank canopy]

Yeah but if it was tiger strike or leggy ice rain 200k might be more accurate

[fickle glen]

I don't think anyone can afford it outside of noush

[frank canopy]

Yeah but caera spam 2rff so getting F would be more efficient

at least in theory

[fickle glen]

that 50k was probably someone got lucky from transmutes and got money

[frank canopy]

Yeah prrob

[fickle glen]

not a whale

[unkempt horizon]

I would do 150k for yellow Ice Rain

[fervent pond]

it's like 300k minimum in korea

and that's after they got new dungeon that drops leg book group loot

[unkempt horizon]

For 300k, I would just gamble for it myself

[fickle glen]

for 300 I would just buy a house 👍

like normal human being should do

[unkempt horizon]

Already have 2.

[fickle glen]

🤨

[fervent pond]

where are u buying a house for 3000

[unkempt horizon]

Thats not even a monthly mortgage payment on my primary house, lol

[fickle glen]

not 3000

300k

[fervent pond]

300k is 3000 usd

300k gems

who's paying $300,000 for ice rain lol

[fickle glen]

Oh only 3k my mat was off nvm

[frank canopy]

3k for some pixels is already crazy tbh

[fickle glen]

Gacha gamers;

[fervent pond]

3k at once is a lot but tbh 3k over time isn't crazy

[vague prairie]

nah this is a mortgage

just casual $40K in leg books

[fervent pond]

this one too

[frank canopy]

252

[fickle glen]

this outfit 💀

lyn players

bro

[vague prairie]

what's crazy is at 252 gm... that leg book gives less dps than 350 crit dmg

might as well reroll psychs to actual bis bis

[fervent pond]

maybe he's trying to monopolize leg ice rain

[odd wraith]

wtb purple fiend fire NA heavens reach

[wary yacht]

Does everyone have a problem with the blazing beam crit?

when i got the purple book crit 50/50

[vale musk]

Just depends on what you're hitting..

Didnt have much an issue when I was running beam this patch

[pallid grotto]

If u hit higher level opponents ur crit goes down, bb which is mainly additional dmg that gets nerfed extra making u lose even more dps

[wary yacht]

I hitting previous patch bosses (poh, bbr) and have 50/50 chance to crit

Its very strange considering that I have 3.2k crit rate

[jagged hull]

Is it?

[zenith moss]

Can you apply double the same CC with FM? Preferably KD?
(without soul core)

[lyric bay]

no

[zenith moss]

:S How do you solo bosses? Just being out of range? 🙂

[fervent pond]

iframe

kite

don't get hit

[zenith moss]

there are mechanics that cant be iframed

[fervent pond]

like what

[zenith moss]

like Mak Sobo

[fervent pond]

you can tank it

[fickle glen]

if you have enough dps to solo it

you can tank the hit

lol

[zenith moss]

i see

good point

my memories are blurry on solo-ing from LIVE, admittedly

[fervent pond]

don't even think it's worth soloing

just do bbr

[zenith moss]

yes, not anymore - with the personal loot

[fickle glen]

in live

every cc was 2x for us

[zenith moss]

in general, how do you folks go about CC for PVE on FM? What skills specs do you take?

[fervent pond]

just kd

or run no cc lol

[lyric bay]

basically, hope your team does it

[fickle glen]

we use killing as cc

[fervent pond]

if you're selfish enough

[fickle glen]

death is best cc

[zenith moss]

on tab?

[fickle glen]

would recommend

[fervent pond]

z

skyburn

[zenith moss]

thanks for indulging me

[zenith moss]

that's a scary mindplace

[jagged hull]

Stun on 3 (blue book) is pretty good qol for mushins tower if youre not high gear

[zenith moss]

after being able to tripple KD on BM and KFM

[fickle glen]

boosted classes

[zenith moss]

Are there classes that have skills that aplly 2x currently?

[fickle glen]

afaik no

bd has something weird that applies back to back iirc?

[lyric bay]

🫰 i used to kd back then, but now i just raw dog it (and frost sheath last second if i have to)

[fickle glen]

i heard something like that but never played myself

[lyric bay]

bm can 3 daze (i think its daze)

[fervent pond]

doesn't it also knock up

[fickle glen]

from same skill?

[pallid grotto]

Share link

[zenith moss]

yes but not with the same skill

they can 3 kd as well

How is DPS with FM currently? Be real with me.

[lyric bay]

scale ripper can solo cc

i was told by my bm buddy

https://i.imgur.com/Xr4tXiR.png

[zenith moss]

no, it can be used to daze OR lift into the air

but no matter

[lyric bay]

what do u mean 'or'

[zenith moss]

if it's already dazed, KU

[lyric bay]

i dont see any aerial in the description

well

[fickle glen]

hes talking about

fm kd

[lyric bay]

that was not part of the described situation

[fickle glen]

oh nvm

[lyric bay]

not a real problem

[zenith moss]

yeah, all good, sorry if I am being obnoxious

[lyric bay]

just tell your team u solo cc

[zenith moss]

So, how does FM DPS compare currently

on release it was slightly lower, but back then it didnt matter

[lyric bay]

i would say everyone is pretty close except bm and kfm

(my experience)

[zenith moss]

admittedly, KFM now has 0 party utility, but that's a curse and a blessing in disuguise (no responsibility)

[lyric bay]

sum and dest seem to be on the weaker side

[lyric bay]

i just saw the knock up is only from blue and higher

[zenith moss]

I currently main BM

wanna trade accounts? x)

[fickle glen]

https://tenor.com/oZs2ib97vYR.gif

[lyric bay]

im fine with playing fm

even tho im lowest dps in my static. (skill issue, or class balance? copium)

[rancid parcel]

hi any help for improvement 🙂

[fickle glen]

cdmg important get more

[rancid parcel]

so my dmg in this status is good or low

[lyric bay]

No inferno?

[lyric bay]

Could be higher

And i would usw balefire before dragonfrost

[rancid parcel]

inferno take much time to load

[jagged hull]

Youre not showing ap btw

[rancid parcel]

ah sry

[lyric bay]

Its zero cast time after 5 stack shockfire

[rancid parcel]

ok i will add it

[lyric bay]

That was like the second sentence of the pinned guide

[rancid parcel]

and what is balefire

which skill

[fickle glen]

fire c

[rancid parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/shy-gif-11676891688343585629

[zenith moss]

What colors do the FM bangle ribbons come in?

I've seen the green-blue that is common

a yellow/gold one

are there more?

[lyric bay]

there is also a pink in in f2

but thats it rn

[zenith moss]

i think there's also ...red?

on the timestream wb one?

i cant believe there arent more, it is SO cheap to make

i mean i would appreciate different patterns (which is also NOT hard at all) but at least re-colors....

imagine a black-and-white one

[fickle glen]

Red is wb

Purple is the last f10 outfit

purple one has huge bangle tho looks weird af

[zenith moss]

since the material physical object part is so small

they should have made more ribbons

Sigh.

give me control over this game. And like, 8 years ago.

[lyric bay]

bt bangle was peak

[zenith moss]

find me a screenshot pretty please? 🙂

[fickle glen]

bt bangle?

[lone eagle]

Any one sell heroic beam in moonwater rn i have interest on buying

[fickle glen]

it was dark red

with legendary effect

[lyric bay]

black red

[fickle glen]

black is the legendary part

ribbon was the dark red 🤔

[lyric bay]

https://i.imgur.com/Jsua1Ep.png

[zenith moss]

True

thank you, man

remind me please, BT was short for?

[lyric bay]

black tower

(skybreak spire)

[zenith moss]

oh the raid

that we are not getting because no more raids?..

[fickle glen]

ew

mb then nvm

[lyric bay]

saw it

[fickle glen]

thats not as pretty as I remember then

🧐

[lyric bay]

the bar was low

[zenith moss]

I think B&S just have great art direction, even if it's not as technologically impressive nowadays

(even after the facelift)

I mean, look at hair... shivers.

[fickle glen]

bangle designs are

usually weird

I remember one event bangle

with no ribbon but

blue donuts like?

was cute

tho ribbon is the biggest issue

[lyric bay]

raven was peak, bcuz it was the only one that actually looked different enough

[knotty torrent]

i loved raven, stopped playing shortly around that point tho

[graceful hawk]

Nothing beats destroyer axes tho

[sharp grotto]

Guess i have to make part 2

Ncsoft doesnt learn

[fickle glen]

you will need much more than 2 for them to learn

😔

[lyric bay]

🤔 🤔

[frank canopy]

To the one selling those : plz dm me

[graceful hawk]

Why would they bother to learn anyway

They already got more money than they spent on this little side project

[hidden trout]

Guys im having problems with my ice rain build. My dps is so low

I have 110 ms

[frank canopy]

Try exit lag, but 110 ms is hard to keep up good dps on ice

[hidden trout]

Even with legendary books?

Or just for purples?

[graceful hawk]

With anything tbh

Ice is a low ping build

[frank canopy]

Leggy ice is prob fine, you will still lose dps compared to a low ping player tho

[graceful hawk]

Finally a new event, the ban wave event

[hidden trout]

There is a build for high ping?

[fickle glen]

beam

[fickle glen]

still didnt sell after hour, nature is healing 🙏

[frank canopy]

yeah i am interested but not this price

[knotty torrent]

swapping to ice worth? im at like 30-35ms. I guess the only issue with ice build is the price to get started yeah?

[empty viper]

they can probably find a buyer at this price tho

which is the sad thing

[frank canopy]

yeah

i can pay 30

but fck these prices

[fickle glen]

depends on what ur goal is

dragonchar is just better dps

[knotty torrent]

Oh is it? I know I asked about char before and people said it wasn't good until purple

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frank canopy]

Yeah purple char is best dps

Then ice and beam last

in dungeons at least

[knotty torrent]

so if i only have blue beam its better to stick with it?

[frank canopy]

y

[wise umbra]

Your dragonchar build now, does how much more dmg than the beam build mobs?

[fickle glen]

ye purple gets double attack speed

its op

[opal bolt]

In purple Dragonchar from BP we believe

[fickle glen]

if anyone still cares about these

[opal bolt]

It differs from one class to another?

[frank canopy]

Yeah

Only Ap is the same

BM for example

[empty viper]

we get more offense they get more defense basically

but still they do more dmg "somehow"

[frank canopy]

Yeah bm in unbalanced tbh

[vale musk]

when i first swapped it was 20% more on hae, more now but

[empty viper]

they lasted longer than I expected tbh

[pallid grotto]

When u level up bb will do more dmg, level diff and additional dmg (which is kinda half of bb dmg) applies differently than flat dmg (which is basicly all dc does + lil extra with burn)

Aka level up and bb happy, new content ice>dc>bb cause level, yes is stupid but accept it 😄

• somehow crit less with bb, idk aswell

[tranquil prawn]

its fine well still play bb

[fickle glen]

why you think ice is above all 🤔

[pallid grotto]

In flat dmg applied on new level/level diff
Not final dmg

Cause it applies only base dmg no burn/additional dmg

Which seems to scale differently on level diff somewhat

[pallid grotto]

This aint a dps meter
This is dmg applied on higher level enemies 😄

[fickle glen]

ohhh

[pallid grotto]

please more in market so price crashes and i get for cheap tyty

[tranquil prawn]

im waiting for it to drop also

[fickle glen]

its nice to see whales just wait for the prices to go down with a handshake

hope ice players do learn something from beam enjoyers

🤝

[tranquil prawn]

there are to many random players still that just save money to get their first purple and buy it overpriced xd

[lone eagle]

hope no one buy it till it drop to 20k

[frank canopy]

Every ice buyer just got fomo’d cuz no book is up for long periods

[plucky verge]

wts on cinderlands EU

[sharp grotto]

wts eu

[lone eagle]

check dm

[plucky verge]

I will probably sell 3 blazing beam purple soon as I crafted an ice rain. think ill change spe

is it a good idea, I have no idea but we shall see

[pallid grotto]

10k each

[lyric stump]

I was so close on getting ice rain ffs from my battlepass

well should i switch to beam build lol?

still not a bad drop tho

imagine if it was ice rain or dragonchar

ffs

[distant inlet]

Whats wrong with beam? :d

[lyric stump]

this

should i switch builds?

[fickle glen]

if you enjoy it

go for it

damage diff isnt day and night

and pretty sure it will be easier to get higher damage when you start with 25k skill xd

[lyric stump]

😂

[frank canopy]

don't swap to it

make beam work is kinda hard

Lower CR + works bad on higher lvl ennemies
Just stick to ice

[halcyon coyote]

Lol im the opposite...do i swap to ice?

[frank canopy]

From beam ? Prob yeah then

at least if low enough ping

[halcyon coyote]

Yea currently beam, ~83ms

[frank canopy]

Hmm 83 is a lot tho

[lyric stump]

https://tenor.com/view/whyyy-gif-3239499918304579127

[distant inlet]

Sorry how is beam harder to make good?
I thought beam was the best build?

I am not whale so ice is too expensive

[frank canopy]

Bonus dmg works less with lvl difference

So beam suffers a lot from it

[lyric stump]

i kinda have to, I'm not touching another good purple anytime soon

man if only it was ice rain drop or char

[frank canopy]

Yeah i guess so

You will still dps fine later on when lvling up

[lyric stump]

only annoying part is not aoe dmg

[halcyon coyote]

Is 83ms too high to play ice?

[lyric stump]

am 70ms and its kinda hard to marco it

so i would asume its gonna be even harder for u

[frank canopy]

You will lose a lot of dmg yeah

Compared to a 30 and even more if 10

[lyric stump]

but still purple ice rain

u lucky bastarid

[halcyon coyote]

If the damage is comparable idk if it's worth switching, i'd need to swap a lotta stuff

[lyric stump]

i mean you could just use the skill full when its boosted, don't need to macro it

hold 2

[fickle glen]

still 83 ms

idk tbh i never experienced it but

I can see ur losing alot

[lyric stump]

i see alot of beam players use this, does it take 20s of fiend fire or meteor? i feel like its useless if its taking 20s cd of meteor

[halcyon coyote]

its pretty much just for the stats

you can get full CD refund on meteor with the moonwater badge

[knotty torrent]

Purple meteor gives focus so I like having it. But yeah mostly for stats

[lyric stump]

lol why is it so strong ? this with only moonwater badge no grandmaster

purple beam

well ig am gonna sell my ice rains

[lyric stump]

is macroing bannable or nah?

[distant inlet]

If it was the game was dead

[lethal kite]

guys on your experience which of the 3 builds do more damage on equal amount of book stacking ? (decent ping, around 50-60 ms)

[frank canopy]

Char

[graceful hawk]

https://www.twitch.tv/loothunterxd

Wtf is this bros

[lyric bay]

https://tenor.com/view/no-pixels-cant-see-ben-chang-community-ken-jeong-gif-17361588

im not sure whats going on tbh

[wary yacht]

Nah

[wary yacht]

Change 1 skill and u can play

[lyric stump]

yea i did, that picture was just when i put the skill to check how good it was.

is there a way to use macros with normal mouse?

mine is like this, some random company

[jagged hull]

X-Mouse Button Control or AutoHotkey

1st is pretty easy to use, 2nd would definetly require some research

[lyric stump]

ty

[oak oasis]

WTS EU moon, pm

[frank canopy]

WTS EU cinderlands

[frank canopy]

WTS 8x Blue Char too EU

[distant inlet]

Do we just use 4 Dragonchars in a row with blue?
Or do we want to wave lb rb like beam

And do we use Inferno (fiend fire) whenever we can or do we just use it for opener since casttime is so long?

[fickle glen]

I'm not a fire player but I'm pretty sure you wanna use inferno with gubong active

also if you explode embers with 1 its just instant

[distant inlet]

😮

[jagged hull]

Fun until theres a purple lmb user in your party

[graceful hawk]

Just gamble legendary shock fire

[jagged hull]

World boss has so many FMs that it becomes not an issue anymore funny enough

[jagged hull]

One legendary book accident is enough for this channel

For now

[fickle glen]

well

na rolled 1

eu rolled 1

so we have 2 already

[jagged hull]

Was not aware of na's

Which did they get?

[fickle glen]

long cd fire one

shock fire I think?

can't remember the name and yast is dead

[jagged hull]

I think Shock Fire is correct

[fickle glen]

it was a wts post in fm market channel we have

[fervent pond]

They’re using it now

[brittle junco]

Is it worth 2.6k ?

[fickle glen]

no

same damage as blue

just adds frostbite

[brittle junco]

Oh ok thanks

[distant inlet]

Rip yast

[graceful hawk]

[distant inlet]

[fervent pond]

Where’d it go

[fickle glen]

owner got banned

so it nuked the site

[lyric bay]

https://tenor.com/view/wut-gif-23240404

[fervent pond]

Banned from neo? Like part of yesterday’s bans?

[fickle glen]

ya

[fervent pond]

Didn’t they revert it all

[fickle glen]

he got banned 21 times afaik

xd

[fervent pond]

Oh wtf lol

[fickle glen]

from alices dc

got another one after this so 21 👍

cool game

[fervent pond]

Is that like 21 accounts LOL

Or just 21 notices

[fickle glen]

21 notices

afaik

[fervent pond]

Damn

Rip to a hero

[graceful hawk]

Bro got the wall shooting execution treatment

Unlucky

[distant inlet]

Died like a hero

[graceful hawk]

Looks like he has some talent for programming someone fund him to ddos KR neo forever

[hidden trout]

Guys how legendary weapons work? They drop from wb or is only possible get from action house?

[graceful hawk]

Only possible by bidding for them in the marketplace

Which means only giga whales will have them

[hidden trout]

Forever? In kr still like this?

[graceful hawk]

Yes

[hidden trout]

Jezz

[graceful hawk]

We'll get a dungeon that drops legendary weapons but the stats are rng like the current legendary accs we have and it's worse than the wb weapon in terms of stats too

[hidden trout]

And how upgrade this?

[graceful hawk]

Just normal upgrade like legendary accs

With mats and chance to fail

[hidden trout]

Got it, no ascent stone?

Have any idea how much is to get one in ah?

200k?

[graceful hawk]

Idk tbh

Someone maybe has screenshots of the upgrade costs from KR

[hidden trout]

Ty bro

[fervent pond]

You can breakthrough siren wep to it with ascent stones

But it will probably cost transformation stones to upgrade similar to current legendary

[knotty torrent]

how we feel about this book?

[vale musk]

I like it but

most people arnt using it to stack more gm

[pallid grotto]

most scuffed block in the game

[ocean forge]

I love it when my parry and aerial is the same button

[pallid grotto]

i love it when i try to parry a hit that is 2 hits and 2nd one ccs

so u get parry then kb or kd

:)

or when party ccs the very moment u block and air

[brittle junco]

This one

Or this one

Or non ?

[pallid grotto]

if u ask for usage, purple
flat ap

better gubong tho

[brittle junco]

Gubong need to be close like 9m or so
I try it and i did not like it 🫤

[pallid grotto]

gives 45 ap buff

[brittle junco]

Not noticeable amount in terms of dmg

Hea dose more dmg anyway

[pallid grotto]

ok 45 ap is not doing anything, approved

buying world boss wep that gives u 29 ap useless confirmed

[brittle junco]

Bro if your ice rain lets say do 6k dmg

With that ap i think will become 6.2 or 6.3 max

For 8 sec

[pallid grotto]

Low gear low gains

[brittle junco]

Which is like 3 k

[pallid grotto]

High gear + minmaxing?
Different story

[ocean forge]

Yeah that's kinda ass tbh

Get double KD instead

[pallid grotto]

Get whichever soul u fancy really, flat ap is main bit, effect is an extra and gubong has selfbuff so unchallenged

[ocean forge]

!!!!!!!

[pallid grotto]

Yagi big fan

[ocean forge]

Helloing

[brittle junco]

For real or what xD ?

It dose more dmg too

[ocean forge]

7'300% more than gubong explosion?

[brittle junco]

Long range as well

Yes

More

[ocean forge]

More and long range!!!!!

And KD???

[brittle junco]

As twice of his dmg

Yes

[ocean forge]

Longer more damage and KD??? Twice damage??

Yes!!!

[pallid grotto]

When soul is ur main dps

[ocean forge]

Wait how long???

[brittle junco]

XD no its not but good add

Like your fm range

[ocean forge]

Yeah I'd buy it

More dmg more range more KD

[brittle junco]

XD

TSK left the conversation xD

[pallid grotto]

My braincells cannot comprehend your genius guys

I am out

Gnite

[ocean forge]

[brittle junco]

What its not hard to convince us if you saying facts

But the facts are in our hood

[ocean forge]

Yeah so true sis

Fact is more dmg more range more kd

[brittle junco]

😂🤝🏻

[tranquil prawn]

Just go gubong and done deal

Or go tripple stat purple soul

Dmg from souls is low asfk anyway

[brittle junco]

Imagine it like that
Hae is like 4 inferno with 2kd which is nice to add u know

[tranquil prawn]

Hae is like 65k dmg vs 40k from gubong

Its like 25k dif which is nothing tbh

[brittle junco]

25k is nothing ? Better than gubong 3k add with that ap

Dont forget the kd and the range

The rangeeee

[tranquil prawn]

Its 10 meter range gubong

That's more than enough

Kd you gotta time well cause you need to press it like 3 seconds before

The most important thing from soul is stats for me anyway

[brittle junco]

16m is like starting fight with it not cast it and lose dmg for that in the fight

[tranquil prawn]

If you get decent stats on it just use it

Just start the fight at 9 meters

I highly doubt the range is any problem for pve content

At least it never was for me

[brittle junco]

To close the boss will attack in 12 m

[tranquil prawn]

Which boss atks at 12m?

[brittle junco]

Every boss

Ok which one ?

[tranquil prawn]

[brittle junco]

As stat and stuff

[tranquil prawn]

Purple and reroll stats

That ez

[brittle junco]

10k hp is alot compared to 49crit dmg

[tranquil prawn]

If you need the hp

Go for it

[brittle junco]

It need materials which i dont have i think

[tranquil prawn]

Need to dismantle another purple for 4 trys to reroll

Just need to whale a bit more

[brittle junco]

Ok thanks i will buy the purple then

[tranquil prawn]

Pray for crit dmg and you got a good soul done deal

[brittle junco]

XD

[fickle glen]

just hit it tbh 👍

[brittle junco]

I got it and its nice i did try the fat explosion fart guy this one fells much better for my play style just start the fight with it and boom u do 60k for free

See nice 💚

[fickle glen]

ok i got headache from it

[tranquil prawn]

Screen shake on that's gaming

[radiant dagger]

xD

[hidden trout]

How turn this off?

[radiant dagger]

On setting i remember

[odd wraith]

whose are these on NA

2 times you listed for 25k, nobody wants that big dog, lets talk numbers

[median sonnet]

bro what are na prices

[odd wraith]

?

lol

[hard grotto]

am i regarded? is dragonchar macro supposed to cast a lmb between every char even when boosted?

[minor locust]

did mobs post his lvl 54 stats yet

[vale musk]

i didnt

[ocean forge]

Looks amazing king

He got so knocked he couldn't get up

[tawdry ingot]

Beam deals more dmg because the GCD is higher in the time u put out 1 beam u deal like 3 ice rains lmao

[summer reef]

guys what macro for fm blazing beam?

[lyric stump]

u sure cus my dps increased by 5k+

[fickle glen]

ya bro you want to purple book from blue book

[lyric stump]

true ig

[pallid grotto]

Bad ping/fps can make u lose counts, bb is 1/s hit u don't lose as much here compared to ice

[opal bolt]

it's funny that one random book from battlepass decides the build you are gonna play xD

like it or not

[jagged hull]

Only if you actually get a useful book

[opal bolt]

yeah true

can't wait to get Frost Sheath from my bp

[lyric stump]

yea whos the idiot that does that

one of the 3 primary skills, can't say no to that

[opal bolt]

why idiot though, you're one lucky boi

it's funny cause it's true

[lyric stump]

😅

[distant inlet]

Get that purple parry

[lyric stump]

should i use this as well ? my lvl50

[lyric bay]

at least that would be usable

[lyric stump]

or keep palm

[fickle glen]

no

[jagged hull]

Looks like a pvp skill

[terse fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/eww-gif-8985768279355337139

Cost 1

[lyric stump]

tbh i don't run into focus issues with beam

yeah weird they left it cost 1 focus still on purple

[ocean forge]

most important pvp skill

kinda unplayable at blue with 2 cost

[lyric stump]

yea i used to run it when i found it, was fun on battleground

funny watching ppl just stuck on ground looking at me lol

20k dps on dummies 😄 was 13k with ice rain

[fickle glen]

48 sec is not accurate fight

especially with fire vs ice since you have inferno difference that boosts numbers up in short fight

[ocean forge]

bro you should see how much I do with fire in 10s fight 😤

[lyric bay]

70k?

[pallid grotto]

Full burst ignoring rotation would be 100-110k burst in first 3-5s 😄

Whereas parse is around 43 ~

Do 3min at least

[terse fiber]

i guess best place to parse is bbr 😄

or even cs

[tawdry ingot]

Imagine getting purple main dmg skill from bp

[pallid grotto]

I got stun and balefire :)

[jagged hull]

I got the wrong balefire spec xd

[zenith moss]

Hi. I am trying to decide between beam/dragonchar and ice rain. Is one of them easier to spec for pvp than the other?

[fickle glen]

ice is easier in pvp

dragonchar destroys middle fights

but you are in wheelchair if fight goes to stairs

if ur ping is high just stay beam

on pve its char>ice>beam from what I have seen

but I didn't see max gear beam whale yet 🤔

tsk should stop being lazy and show us how strong beam is

[distant inlet]

noushka?

Not maxed but

I got pve't so hard yday in 6v6 when that beam hit my face

[fickle glen]

getting killed by beam is

probably the biggest skill issue you can have in this game

[distant inlet]

I got air combot and it hit me for 34k

Skill issu, clearly should've tabbed earlier

[pallid grotto]

Eh?

[fickle glen]

just kidding 😔

[pallid grotto]

For what content u wanna know tho, I can parse around 43 maybe 44 immo

41 on wb ish

Only got 7 purple bb tho 😄

[pallid grotto]

Smoooke
On the waateeer

[fickle glen]

u also have some util skills 🧐

is beam superior spec?

[pallid grotto]

I like utility over flat dps whoring

Could get 3 more purples and push to 45-48k range prob

In terms of that, dps seems pretty on par with dragonchar, ice benefits most of low ping so might be superior (leg books ice proven to be op after all)

But i like the variety of builds on bb with purple palm/wall with barely any focus cost, some minmaxing here n there

[distant inlet]

Is there a guide somewhere updated for Dragonchar skills and macro/skill use?
I found Nellan guide but it seems lvl 36 patch.

using this build

[lyric stump]

whats best for beam macro? currently using 2TR

[lyric stump]

sounds about right

[sharp grotto]

Very ourdated i will make a new guide in the future

[opal bolt]

Before the game dies pls though

[sharp grotto]

Problem is i dont even remember how to play it with blue version its quite slow compared to purp

wts eu

[distant inlet]

Yes please

Im a bit lost atm, Beam and Ice seem alot eassier to just macro 2rt and press some stuff

[radiant dagger]

[sharp grotto]

btw do you feel the dragonblaze badge helping a lot with ur focus issues?

wts, i need to recoup gamble losses ty

[plucky verge]

got a quick question for people playing blazing beam and palm purple, im trying and so far its kind of working but not all the time to refresh burn with dual dragons > impact burn, do you guys have any other method to apply burn easily ?

I was thinking about having a macro just for this, maybe this would be ideal to apply burn

[vague prairie]

1.0 second delay after casting blazing beam before you can cast impact:burn

dual dragon is ogcd and can always be cast

blazing palm is on separate gcd than blazing beam

If your refresh isn't working it's because you're spamming a macro or f too quickly

[plucky verge]

dont have any macro currently

I think I need to spam less

[radiant dagger]

ah, i guess that help abit , not alot

better go for high cr

or just get gold skill book, ez fix

[sharp grotto]

yea i thought so too

[main roost]

you should be able to rotate dual dragons > 1 and balefire for full burn uptime

[radiant dagger]

xD

or this just one

[main roost]

balefire is 18s cd right

[radiant dagger]

5% Cr

i know someone almost getting this set

[plucky verge]

yeah I was just so dumb to miss this, now its much easier

[fervent pond]

How high we talkin? I was at 4.4k and still struggling with focus sometimes

[fickle glen]

@cosmic silo you just stop usinb lmb on 4. stack, use 2 to get last stack and explode it with 1

[cosmic silo]

i think you misunderstood me

the other (ice fm) had the prupple lmb, not me

whhich meant that the ember stacks were basically out of my control

[fervent pond]

I think he thought u were the other person who put the ss

[cosmic silo]

as he detonates them every 0.5s or so