Force Master

[sharp grotto]

[fickle glen]

how much u pay 🙏

[sharp grotto]

u can see the cdmg buff stacking

up to 5x

[slow magnet]

Well I don't use meteors

[fickle glen]

is it worth on ice without this setup 🤔

[opal bolt]

how much u want

[fickle glen]

yes

[terse fiber]

Is it even worth to use shower in rotation besides moment when fiend fire is used? Seems like a dps loss no?

On beam ofc

[tranquil prawn]

https://i.imgur.com/ihh93wp.png

[fickle glen]

thinking that tbh

but like

its weird on ice

[tranquil prawn]

ice with purple palm is the best anyway

you dont allow any fire fms into your group

unless you want complete brain dmg

[fickle glen]

I already do that

I was just thinking how big that crit dmg would be for the ice build but 2% feels really low for a slot

[tranquil prawn]

well it stacks to 10

[terse fiber]

how much damage does ember explosion do btw? Is is const value?

[fickle glen]

mine do like 10k in hae

[terse fiber]

each?

[fickle glen]

tho I don't have the best gear so it should scale higher I guess

oh u mean the v?

I was talking about the palm

[terse fiber]

i mean any ember explo. i guess both wall and purple palm will be the same in that regard

[fickle glen]

well you do 10k every 5 sec on ice

fire can do more since it stacks it with char too, ice is kinda slow compared to that

or beam ofc

idk how consistent char can use lmb but with good gameplay I can see it dealing stupid amounts

tho I don't have exp with char myself so take it with a grain of salt 😔

[terse fiber]

Im thinking of ways to upgrade and not sure if should just try to get dg for purple beamfor around 30-35% increase on it.

Not even sure if it will be viable later on with more and more people getting purple palm

Since change for personal stacks is not coming surely

Anyone has info on KR fm meta besides legendary ice rain?

[jagged hull]

Isnt that percentage way too high 🤔

[pallid grotto]

Of all legendaries ice looks most busted and easiest to stack books for

[fickle glen]

its stupid how they made dragonchar get boosted with 1 only

would be fine if it was on the skills itself imo

[lyric stump]

i think am good on cards for a while

[fickle glen]

yeet the bottom

get cheaper set imo

or drain

you need drain

[lyric stump]

need cd

[fickle glen]

sustain 😔

also it is dps increase since drain is also damage

[lyric stump]

not many good options there for it

[pallid grotto]

drain, just drain

[fickle glen]

poh drain + yunma set is good for 2 2

or hae drain set

[pallid grotto]

poh drain, getting poh card is the fun bit

[fickle glen]

just gamba from blues

[pallid grotto]

doesn't like to drop

[fickle glen]

wheel gaming

SPIN IT BRO

https://tenor.com/ta7T.gif

[pallid grotto]

is it just me or does bb have faster travel time than palms?

[terse fiber]

Its rough estimate. blue BB with 12 GM have the same damage as purple bb without GM in skill view while having 22.8%. So i guess it might even be 123% * 123% resulting in 50% increase on beam itself with the same GM?
Or is my math wrong?

Since base value is increased by 23% and then GM percentage comes in

[fickle glen]

Beam is faster afaik

[minor locust]

is there a point in purple massive snowball besides extra damage since it resets cold snap cd already with virt mystic badge

[pallid grotto]

if u play ice i can recommend it for smooth rotation

[minor locust]

but why

[pallid grotto]

i mean play it then u will know

[minor locust]

[pallid grotto]

less uptime = more focus use = focus issues = losing counts = dps loss

and having no focus when ur supposed to use a certain skill is also a killer 😄

[minor locust]

i guess 3s cd if ur using cold snap then massive snowball immediately after

but that only happens in like opening rotation

after u start rotation cold snap is always off cd when u press massive snowball no?

[fickle glen]

it is useless

[minor locust]

ty just needed that confirmation xd

[fickle glen]

even if you use it right after, you always recast it 8 sec after

so you only need 22 sec reduction

virt+blue is already 26 sec cdr

[pallid grotto]

with purple massive snowball u can have almost 100% uptime of cold snap

[terse fiber]

God damn this blazing wall is really doing work

[pallid grotto]

10% cdmg is like 400-500 more yes

now on mujin when he moves u cry

😄

and supposed to bait the add around

[fickle glen]

ur issue isnt

about z

its about x/1 not having uptime

virtu+blue snowball is 26 sec, cold snap is 30 sec cd

and active for 8 sec

you still wait for 4 sec to cast again

[pallid grotto]

i never went above blue books on ice build so i cannot tell, didn't fully test

[fickle glen]

tbh its the badge

literally virtu badge but cheaper

instead of paying 5k to virtu snowball

you just buy massive for 2k

[minor locust]

snowball 8k on market na

lol

[pallid grotto]

i like eu market

[fickle glen]

thats what we call na :omegalul:

[minor locust]

bought my badge for 6k

[fickle glen]

xd

[minor locust]

na

[fickle glen]

it was on first week

[lyric bay]

i opened mine

[jagged hull]

Both get the same percentage from GM, so you wouldnt count it twice.

You should just divide the purple by the blue ap ratio

[terse fiber]

Oh no just removed all beam equipment and youre right 😦

it just doesnt show gm value on unaquired skill then?

[jagged hull]

So 2.7/2.3

[terse fiber]

but still applies it

[jagged hull]

17%

[pallid grotto]

blazing wall opener should be
v 1 yadayada c yada f 1 x v x yadayada v

to maximize and keep wall cdmg uptime?

@jagged hull spotted big fan

[terse fiber]

What about C to apply burn right away and then V, RT2 until buff is almost out into 1, XX and again wall?

[pallid grotto]

wall applies 5 stacks

(at least it says so didn't try yet)

[terse fiber]

but gcd tho

for me it pops before 1 can be used

nvm it doesnt apply xD

[pallid grotto]

my idea is to use C later to have 100% burn uptime and not lose it at any time

but would require to use 1 again after 2nd v

[terse fiber]

No ember on wall cast

[pallid grotto]

then nvm use c

c v global gcd group tho

[terse fiber]

ye you can weave some rt2 in the middle i guess?

[pallid grotto]

C yada V yadayada f 1 x v x yada v yada c

[terse fiber]

but wall starter wont apply ember to pop with 1 :/

[pallid grotto]

yada is tr2 basicly

😂

macro time

[terse fiber]

yeye 😄

[sharp grotto]

its just legendary icerain really

only whales left playing

dragonchar purp is 1.5k in korea

icerain purp 13k

[terse fiber]

damn

[pallid grotto]

leg ice rain 250k

[sharp grotto]

dragonchar lego is 100k or less

same for beam

koreans have no meter so they just guessing xd

[pallid grotto]

ice supremacy simply cause how easy u can stack dmg with books + attack speed perma + low focus use

[sharp grotto]

i would say western players>koreans

at this point

[terse fiber]

leg beam is meh. just 1 more ember on crit i guess?

and some damage obv

[pallid grotto]

more ember on crit = ur purple palm will do magic

[sharp grotto]

the bgigest thing is base dmg increase

[terse fiber]

Ah true with purple palm

[sharp grotto]

base dmg increase is insane dps increase.

[pallid grotto]

it's about 16-18 gm points i compared

[terse fiber]

Ye but its nothing we will get anytime soon 😄

Well maybe you will nellan

[pallid grotto]

from purple to leg
and the % apply different on higher base stat ontop

tl;dr insta 30-40% dmg gain on main dps skill from leg to purple

[sharp grotto]

any eu fms need double crit purp bracelet

get it off me

[fickle glen]

getting 3 free slots is also huge for ice tbh

[pallid grotto]

i mean u just stack ice rain books on ice with legy

[sharp grotto]

maybe i need to gamble high roll to sell this bracelet

[pallid grotto]

since ur rotation will be 1 button for 95% of fight

[sharp grotto]

wts for 6k

[pallid grotto]

make it legy

upgrade it 3 times ez

[sharp grotto]

if it was lego

id ask for 30k

[terse fiber]

ive seen leg gloves someone tried to upgrade and stats ended up being so bad they try to sell it xD

[pallid grotto]

upgrade it 3x so base stats go up a lot

[sharp grotto]

do i rly wanna gamble that

i have to reseal again then

[pallid grotto]

can relate, mine got +5 cdmg on upgrade

big gains

[fickle glen]

that glove

was sad

[jagged hull]

Its weird how the ap ratios scale on dragonchar vs ice (purple to legend)
Char 4.3>4.45
Ice 3.3>4.5

[terse fiber]

@fickle glen do you have screenshot of it? 😄

[fickle glen]

I dont but it was barely 100 range?

[pallid grotto]

easy

they don't know

[sharp grotto]

u forgot abt burn

0.4ap from burn

still only 0.55ap gain

[terse fiber]

found it XD

[jagged hull]

Normally its roughly the same %

But in this case burn grows more yeah

[sharp grotto]

i think

dragonchar and beam will get buffed

for lego

[pallid grotto]

possibly

[fickle glen]

3. spec when 🙏

[pallid grotto]

pass

i like fps

[lyric stump]

i do have the poh card

[pallid grotto]

need it 2x, one for ap one for drain

[terse fiber]

Just checked again with ap multipliers and its correct. Thank you for correcting me 😄

[lyric stump]

idk if its worth taking the ap one, it doesn't have any cd on it

i have skyheaven, it has less ap but good cd and rate

[fickle glen]

he means the hae ap one

not the chef

chef one sucks

[lyric stump]

ah yeah, gl on getting that one

[fickle glen]

ye

hogsils are better used in mushin set

[terse fiber]

btw are these still viable from the other fm discussion?

not counting unobtainable for most like mujin

[fickle glen]

it is obtainable

wdym

[terse fiber]

"for most"

[fickle glen]

eh

I think for f2p, bis is skyhaven ap, bsh drain, baylee onrush

[terse fiber]

welp it is what it is tho. Only fusion for now

[lyric stump]

ngl lego junghado should be a drop chance from fighting him

[fickle glen]

and for overall, excluding jinsoyun tier, its probably mushin ap&onrush, lovers drain and filler 4

idk that 4 filler

let whales thing

👍

[lyric stump]

btw can i stack stats from shield base? like to make them max

like to make this max crit

[terse fiber]

You can use any primer bought using base shields from crafting even with stat that is not on the shield itself

but values from shield can be upgraded using the exact same shield having values it has

so in your case if you would use profane 4 with only crit rate it would upgrade HP and Crit Rate

[lyric stump]

yes ik that, just talking about the crit primer, will it stack if i used another crit one on this to make it max? or will it reroll

[pallid grotto]

It will reroll within new primer range

[lyric stump]

ah ok, thank you

[terse fiber]

sorry i thought you were asking about upgrading base stats

[lyric stump]

np

thx anyway

[knotty torrent]

Is upgrading the base stats worth it? I looked it at once but it only increases it by a tiny amount

[terse fiber]

its more to minmax i guess. Sometimes it might be even cheaper to replace shields. But thats for wheel shields.

With BSH shields i guess its different but someone running that would need to comment on it

Primers give much more value but its only for crit rate/accuracy

[knotty torrent]

Yeah I guess if wheel shields you can just roll more for one's with better stats

[terse fiber]

@pallid grotto just checked and it seems that wall is applying ember and instantly poppint it on explo 😄

[pallid grotto]

oh ok

well then gotta use c eitherway, i'd have figured once u started using it

[pallid grotto]

ok done some testing

with normal rotation + meteor shower 38k solid
can easily sustain 40k with blazing wall, condition is that u go closer than 5m every 10-20s once

when we get even higher cdmg values and dimishing return hits we might go back to meteors but for now wall would be BiS for maxing dps

[lyric bay]

u do 40k dps???

[pallid grotto]

on dummy yes

well wall is not really an option on poh if u rangetank or anywhere u have to rangetank 😄

also the focus regen from meteors is probably better for dragonchar gaming aswell

[terse fiber]

What are your stats that you get 40k:O

[pallid grotto]

920 ap 3.8k crit 3k cdmg

around that

[terse fiber]

my god

[lyric bay]

💀

[pallid grotto]

ah and 2.8k piercing if that has any impact for u

[terse fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-emotional-damage-steven-he-emotional-damage-gif-23428142

[lyric stump]

https://tenor.com/view/perro-wave-walking-jazz-hands-hi-gif-17412854

[vague prairie]

Nah legendary char is a pretty big increase because you don't need to boost from 1.0 > 0.3 GCD each time you run out of focus and need to regen

Can't just look at the 0.55 AP gain and assume it's just 10% dps boost

Should be seeing 2.0+ char counts instead of 1.5-1.6

[slow magnet]

so was it 2% or 2% stacking?

[fickle glen]

stacking

[slow magnet]

is blazing wall buff (and mantras for that matter) additive with critical damage % from stats?

RIP all blazing walls gone from market

guess i wait

[fickle glen]

idk

it doesnt show up on profile

[vague prairie]

afaik unless it says "rate", it's multiplicative

[stable elk]

EU wts>ice build (12 ice rain blues, purple force blast / snowball both virtuous badges)

[fervent pond]

Are u spamming bsh2?

[vale musk]

I did like 4 pots yesterday?

stam on bsh1 or 2 mostly 2

[slow magnet]

Wait, when it says "rate" its multiplicative?

[fickle glen]

same ap from52 and 53 is scam

[vague prairie]

so whirling scourge, flaming scourge, fury, are all multiplicative crit chance %, not additive

[slow magnet]

Mantra effects are additive then?

[vague prairie]

blazing wall should be additive

idk im poor, me no mantras

[slow magnet]

wait maybe i got it mixed up

[vague prairie]

i dont look at mantras

[vague prairie]

ye should be additive, so not really great once you have high stats

[zealous coyote]

Should I increase piercing in my gear too? I’m currently only at 1.6k and I saw a stream of someone saying it’s only worth if you have around 2.5k

[slow magnet]

but additive for critrate bonuses is better

[vague prairie]

yes, but i dont know of any additive crit rate bonus from class skills

all the bd/des ones are multiplicative

[slow magnet]

the stat is called "critical rate"

[vague prairie]

windstorm

[slow magnet]

is that additive though

I've seen it use the wording "critical damage rate" before seperately from critical damgae

but they cant really use critical rate rate because that sounds dumb af

[fickle glen]

i love cdr reduction 👍

[terse fiber]

Ive checked with wall and crit damage value in stats is not increasing. Defense from frost stacks is actually showing up as more def value there

So it might be flat % added to already calculated crit damage value from stats

[fickle glen]

but def stacking comes from the class' itself

not books 🤔

[vague prairie]

defense updates regardless of class/source

[terse fiber]

Yup but would that work so differently then?

[vague prairie]

in stat sheet

you can get 30K+ defense in char sheet w/ cat pet

[terse fiber]

I guess AP boost from gubong will also show in stats?

since its flat value

[slow magnet]

i found this on some spreadsheet thing that was passed around but the crit damage % seems a bit high?

[vague prairie]

that's mine and not updated for 55 patch

[slow magnet]

i dont think my 2950 crit damage is like 293% ish

ah

[slow magnet]

oh wait

thats a coincidence

wtf

[slow magnet]

If i may ask why is the book transmute section based on destroyer books

because I saw some destroyer legendary books on market already 🤔

[vague prairie]

because i play destroyer

[slow magnet]

mega whale destroyer

[vague prairie]

f2p jew destroyer

surely my destroyer or fm hits a good bp30 book

execute, speed cleave, eradicate, blazing palm, dragon char, ice rain

[slow magnet]

Body double was mine

[fervent pond]

i, too, survive on copium

[vague prairie]

i have snowball purple and 2 bound ice rains

[slow magnet]

WTF

[vague prairie]

2 bound blue ice rains*

[slow magnet]

oh thats okay

i thought you mean purple bounds

or something

[fervent pond]

LOL

[vague prairie]

[fervent pond]

lethe boutta lose it

[terse fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-cat-gif-21688581

[slow magnet]

@fervent pond are you looking to another purple icerain for like 50k

i have a friend trying to sell

[fervent pond]

[vague prairie]

if i had 2 purple bound ice rains, i would actually be incentivized to spend my ncoin on the fm

[fervent pond]

team bring down the price of ice rains even though i may have contributed to its current price

u talking about vicky?

[slow magnet]

how did u know wtf

u spying on me

[fervent pond]

she dmed me when she got it

[slow magnet]

you should buy

[fervent pond]

[slow magnet]

but zero two whale

[vale musk]

so expensive

[slow magnet]

Says the man who sold me a 50k icerain as well

[vale musk]

expensive for me not for thee

[odd wraith]

shidd someone sold one earleir for 32k

[pallid grotto]

These prices be crazy

[lyric stump]

is it worth swapping to dragonchar? currently ice rain build with some ice rains stacked

dragonchar blues so cheap

[zealous coyote]

is a dragonchar build better dps wise than an ice rain build?

[lyric stump]

yup i think

its focus hungry build ik

[fickle glen]

if you can manage the focus

it does good amount

also cheaper

[tawdry ingot]

with this build u should have much more dps than dragonchar in comparison also fiend fire kinda weird in ice rain build ngl

[pallid grotto]

and u get killed in bastion for free too

[fickle glen]

bastion is beam only area

rain is also aoe

[pallid grotto]

tell that to sins and kfms

[fickle glen]

wts dragonchar eu

[zealous coyote]

even with beam only you kill people since they enjoy spreading their ass cheeks right in front of your targeting area

[slow magnet]

That's wrong, it can be evaded.

It shows in combat log as having been evaded by hae mujin

[tawdry ingot]

alright removed sry for false info o7

will check later

[glacial pine]

if you are only blue skill book, i tested all 3 build, ice rains is better. Dragonchar need the purple for cast speed.
ColdSnap, Massive, Ice rains, R, T, a double dragon it's win

[zealous coyote]

love how braindead ice rain is guess im gonna stay on ice then since getting purple is a massive pain in the ass

[glacial pine]

the build ice is too braindead for me x)
only ice rain purple will win damage/s maybe 2 or 3k ez

[jagged hull]

Does purple dragonchar actually affect cast speed?

I thought it was the blue book that changes it

[lyric stump]

idk it doesn't feel am doing enough dmg + I like the fiend fire, doing like 100k before fight starts

on dummys, my ice rain does 8.5k

idk how to caculate my dps but it should be around 13k i would assume

[pallid grotto]

I tend to dps stop and try to reposition myself, if i get killed my gubong becomes everyone's friend

:)

[tawdry ingot]

drop balefire, fiend fire, ice sheet, veil, meteor shower
get frost palm / frost fury rest is fine and stack ice rains ofc u also need the right mystic badge and purple massive snowball or force blast for better more fluent rotation

u should be fine then

[lyric bay]

i feel like someone already told them the same thing yesterday

[lyric stump]

how am i gonna get focus if i dropped all my focus reg skills?

[tawdry ingot]

Cold snap + lmb

• ice F and DD

[lyric stump]

idk man, + I'm a f2p getitng more ice rains is a slow grind

1.5k dg for 3-4% extra dmg doesn't feel right lol

i only feel the difference in damage only when i increase my cd

[tawdry ingot]

wait for price to drop rn they overprice it u can get them for 1k on weekends

and 1k is nothing really if u sell your stuff u will have like 3-4k thats a good start u dont need to have 10+ ice rains the increase is not that strong just get like 5-6 and then farm dg for purple ice rain

[frank canopy]

WTS EU, also looking for a purple ice

Also, any idea of Beam price kek ?

[terse fiber]

There were 2 for 19.999 yesterday and been there for full 12h

[steel dagger]

Anyone selling purple ice rain EU.

[pallid grotto]

Nah they sold

In less than 3h

Avg price ~25

Those were more of an exception than anything, prob a reroller or quitter

[glacial pine]

Hello dragonchar player

I see a lot of people with this build play frost palm. Actually I don't use this spell and I don't understand why, what is your rotation with T ice ? T R 2 too ?

[terse fiber]

Was one of them yours? Im pretty sure they were up until time was up since im checking market pretty often during the day

[fickle glen]

There was 3 yesterday, all 3 from different seller probably cuz they keep undercut each other

[fickle glen]

You get ice orbit from it

you do spam 2 while ur focus spells are up tho

[pallid grotto]

They were put 3x

First 27k, 2h later 23k, then for less than 20k

All i saw is desperate selling

😄

[frank canopy]

100% sure one sold at 22k yesterday tho

[idle wolf]

This morning there was one for 20k aswell, not sure if it sold tho

[trim tapir]

Stupid question but what is RT? 😅

[fickle glen]

rmb lmb

they are assigned to r and t buttons on keyboard

macro purposes

[trim tapir]

Oh okay, makes sense, ty

[glacial pine]

just for ask fast the rmb and lmb 😅

[fickle glen]

wtb purple ice rain
wts purple dragonchar 🙏

[pallid grotto]

2 more up now, haha

[fickle glen]

Prices are funny rn

[pallid grotto]

we talk too much here, ppl panic

good for me tho

[fickle glen]

idt people follow here that much

🤔

actually it can be

nellan said no top ice fms here, after that last dchar sold for 27 and rain sold for 18

funny

[sharp grotto]

im busy pumping feedback video

[pallid grotto]

go lower guys, lower

imma buy at 10 😂

[fickle glen]

999 strat

[jagged hull]

Looks way cheaper

[pallid grotto]

18999 sold

19k not

[ocean forge]

both sold XD?

[pallid grotto]

both sold nvm

[jagged hull]

🤣

[frank canopy]

Yeah

both sold

I hate the one who cut price by 3k

We could both be richer

[odd wraith]

This eu?

Show me some na prices lol

[fickle glen]

FM has

Hp

scaling

instead of def

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

cool cool gj nc

Heroic Dragonchar: Additional Damage

• 6% of Accuracy dealt as Additional Damage per hit
• 0.41% of HP dealt as Additional Damage per hit

Legendary Dragonchar: Additional Damage

• 6% of Accuracy dealt as Additional Damage per hit
• 0.45% of HP dealt as Additional Damage per hit

Heroic Blazing Beam

• 7% of Accuracy dealt as Additional Damage per hit
• 0.51% of HP dealt as Additional Damage per hit

Legendary Blazing Beam

• 9% of Accuracy dealt as Additional Damage per hit
• 0.62% of HP dealt as Additional Damage per hit

Heroic Ice Rain

• 4% of Accuracy dealt as Additional Damage per hit
• 0.26% of HP dealt as Additional Damage per hit

Legendary Ice Rain

• 5% of Accuracy dealt as Additional Damage per hit
• 0.34% of HP dealt as Additional Damage per hit

Heroic Meteor Shower

• 2% of Accuracy dealt as Additional Damage per hit
• 0.14% of HP dealt as Additional Damage per hit

[slow magnet]

ice rain during boost is about focus neutral when combined with coldsnap focus restore.

Outside of boost you will focus starve but you only have a few seconds outside of boost anyway and thats when you are using force blast and snowball

as long as you are weaving LMBs at max speed during the boosted icerain duration you shouldnt run out of focus

also need blue frost palm so it reduces focus cost to zero

[slow magnet]

i saw someone similar to your name before in NA

but their name was like

mozalk

or something

idk

[sharp grotto]

per char?

[slow magnet]

yes

[fickle glen]

Should be yes

[slow magnet]

i dont see how else it could be

[sharp grotto]

i see

bruh

cdmg hp bis?

💀

[fickle glen]

someone do the math for accuracy hp 🙏

legendary ss gives 9-12k and another 20 from 8 set 🤔

[sharp grotto]

HP stacking

is insane

11x purp char

if u have 150k hp

is 6.7k ad dmg

[tranquil prawn]

those numbers for dragonchar are way to high again

but no wonder they cant manage any numbers

[sharp grotto]

if we scaled off def it would be disaster

[fickle glen]

would it?

[sharp grotto]

400base def

[fickle glen]

we do get tons of def

[sharp grotto]

wdym

[fickle glen]

from ice stance stacking thingy

[sharp grotto]

notwhere near enough

[fickle glen]

eh I am probably underestimating how much that hp scales to

[sharp grotto]

i just said

150k hp on 11chars is 6.7k

add dmg

purples

[fickle glen]

oh

I wonder if they stack

[tranquil prawn]

how many atks/sec you get out with ice rain?

[sharp grotto]

if they dont its useless

[fallen salmon]

Surely it can't be that broken of a buff, I thought these extra changes were to make some weaker stats not as useless

[sharp grotto]

it does make that exactly

hp is op now

for FM

[fickle glen]

does this makes char above rain or book slot issue is still there

[tranquil prawn]

0.41% char vs 0.51% beam as hp additional dmg makes sense though

its only around 0.9 atk speed vs 1.4ish

[maiden raft]

i have a question for ice rain fm

i have 2 purps but my damage is not increasing

and when i try to use cold snap with ice rain its not boosted

do u guy know why

[fickle glen]

wdym its not boosted

how much focus it costs when u cast?

[steel dagger]

u dont boost your dmg u boost your speed with it

[maiden raft]

ohh

but i have to purp doesnt that make my dps higher?

im hitting like 13k on dummy

and its grandmaster 24

[fickle glen]

13k is

already high

wdym

[maiden raft]

oh really

i thought i can hit higher

lol

[fickle glen]

like how much

[maiden raft]

idk 15k

cause im seeing ppl doing 25k per sec

and im here doing like 18k

before with just 1 ice rain purp im doing 18k to 19k

so i was just wondering

[vague prairie]

ice rain casts 2.5/sec ...

do you have 400ms ping?

[maiden raft]

45ms

to 50 ms

[fervent pond]

your 2nd purp ice rain will not be as big of an increase as your first

[steel dagger]

its the animation thats get boosted so u can cast it faster

[vague prairie]

yeah but he is not pressing his buttons correctly if his ice rain is hitting 13k/cast but only 18k dummy dps

[maiden raft]

here my stats

[fervent pond]

also what's the rest of your stats

yea you're doing something wrong

are you macroing?

[maiden raft]

yeah

lol

[fervent pond]

what's your macro

[maiden raft]

t2r2

[fervent pond]

are you running out of focus?

[maiden raft]

10 ms 25ms release

no my focus is always

[fervent pond]

did you lock dragonblaze/dragonfrost?

and how many ice rains are you doing per sec

[maiden raft]

im not sure how many i do per sec

[fickle glen]

oh thats low

I thought you mean per ice rain hit

[fervent pond]

just go do a normal rotation for like a min on dummy

[maiden raft]

no per ice rain hit is 13 to 14k

[fervent pond]

then see on your dps meter how many ice rains you got

[maiden raft]

my 18k is per sec

[fervent pond]

13k to 14k is normal

18k is too low for parse

[maiden raft]

yeah cause the top 10 said it was loq

[fervent pond]

yea you needa go do a dummy parse and see how many ice rains you do

then just divide that by the seconds you spent on the dummy

that'll tell you how many ice rains you do per second

[odd wraith]

yes thats me

[maiden raft]

prob not alot lol

cause i suppose to do like 25k per sec no?

[fervent pond]

you should be able to do more imo

on a dummy

[maiden raft]

oh lol

on a dummy i did 20k

[fervent pond]

yea u should be like 25+ on dummy for sure

just do a 1 min dps test on dummy

and then show us your ice rain values

or ice rain count*

[maiden raft]

can we join in call and u can show me

[fervent pond]

no i'm at work lol

[maiden raft]

oh damn

[fervent pond]

what don't u understand

[maiden raft]

cause i might do something wrong lol

okay let me do on a dummy

(00:28) Focus Recovery Training Dummy: 30.45K You-Gubong's Explosive Rage-47.06K
You | 30.45K

a min hit

[fervent pond]

screenshot your act

outgoing damage

[fervent pond]

just click on the outgoing damage

not all

i can't see the ice rain count from all

[odd wraith]

no

hit Skill/ability out

[maiden raft]

that what i did

[odd wraith]

hold on

ill show u

[fervent pond]

click that

and then screenshot the right

where there's like a pie chart

[maiden raft]

ok

[odd wraith]

do a minute test

[maiden raft]

okay i put a timer on

[odd wraith]

u were hitting the 3 dummies

u gotta hit the 1

1*

[maiden raft]

ohh ok

[slow magnet]

ur a whale

[odd wraith]

tf

lol

why u say that

[odd wraith]

its 1 ice rain

rest are blues

lol

[fervent pond]

he running the no utility ice rain lol

[odd wraith]

zero thats p good but u need more lmb/rmbs or R/ts

[fervent pond]

is that in a min? also are you using the focus recovery dummy lol

[odd wraith]

i just run rt2

[fickle glen]

ok but who xddddddddddddddddddddddddd

[maiden raft]

so u dont do r2t2

what is more better block or countering?

to try it

[fickle glen]

focus regen one lol

but

just go the ones on bottom

you cant stack ember on those

[amber bridge]

WTB FM Double crit Siren Bangle with soul core 3 mantra(NA) PMO

[fleet wolf]

anyone know the owner NA?

[tawdry ingot]

Cant u have 3 ice rain/sec?

[vague prairie]

400ms gcd at max boost

[fervent pond]

With good ping u can have 3

At 70 ping i avg like 2.8-2.9

[tawdry ingot]

I swear i counted 3 for me on 2min parse

[fervent pond]

U can get over 3 actually with good ping

My friend with 10 ms can get like 3.2-3.3

[tawdry ingot]

Ye 3.1 for me

[tawdry ingot]

If u want to hc slack just 2rtf

And lock blaze

3ms delay

[frank canopy]

WTB Purple ice rain dm me

Btw was leg force blast true ?

[vague prairie]

are you tracking casts or counts?

shouldn't be possible with the gcd

[fervent pond]

Whatever my dps meter tells me lol

[vague prairie]

the meter shows 2 counts per cast

because of badge

theoretical max count/sec is 5.0

if you are tracking it that way instead of casts

[fervent pond]

Shouldn’t we go by dps meter since it’s a tangible value

Unless ur literally counting ur ice rains by eye

[vague prairie]

you just divide by 2 or take off badge

it just kinda muddies the conversation

cause w/o context, people will expect being able to cast 3+/sec

[fervent pond]

The top fms i talk to just go by dps meter cause it’s easier

[vague prairie]

which is impossible

[fervent pond]

If ur trying to count it manually then gl i guess

Easier to go by the logs than relying on my eyes

Should just be the standard anyway

Dps meter is not just good for counting ice rains per sec

[fickle glen]

@merry hearth You always should do that, it includes during cold snap boost too

[merry hearth]

wdym? outside of cold snap ice rain snowball force blast rotation, i should be doing lr2 combo?

or weave in lr2 in between each skill

[fickle glen]

in video

you just hold 2 after using cold snap

you should also use right and left clicks during that time

think like you have 2tr macro on

always

[merry hearth]

oh so cold snap then lr2 then ice rain

[fleet wolf]

You never jus hold 2, it doesn't work w Neo skill queue

[merry hearth]

but isn't ice rain boosted on consecutive use

[fleet wolf]

Either manual spam or you use a macro

[merry hearth]

either way yeah i just hold it down. i dont use macro cuz idk how

[fickle glen]

what is the point of clown emote

its not what I recommend

its what he did on the video he posted

[fleet wolf]

Probably 3k-5k dps loss depending on your gear

[merry hearth]

hera could u do a vid on the rotation slowed down, or do u know any vids that could demo it clearly

[fleet wolf]

point is its kinda a clown statement, but yea you can jus hold 2 & sit back relax

[fickle glen]

how describing what he did on video is a clown statement

[fleet wolf]

The statement is clown worthy, either by you or by him, nothing personal

[merry hearth]

i just wanna know how to play 💀

why am i getting clowned for that

[fleet wolf]

Well proper Macro is your first step for any improvment

[lyric bay]

basically, u always spam lmb and rmb, since they have their own cd

[fleet wolf]

on rotation

[lyric bay]

and then ice rain whenever possible

there is a text guide pinned in #1344307140436955177 if u need it

gj hera, u tried 🫰

[merry hearth]

i tried following the text guide but it didnt mention that u have to individually spam ice rain rather than holding it down or that u should weave rmb lmb 2 in between cold snap, snowball, etc. so i wanted clarification. but thank u tho :3

[fleet wolf]

wym, only around +950dps for 150k HP, not that much of a boost

[lyric bay]

"Spam 2 ( Ice Rain ) till the Cold Snap ends - if you have high ping or focus issues / >>Spam 2, LB, RB - if you have lower ping<<"

says it right here

[sharp grotto]

its per skill

[fleet wolf]

Correct, you cast ~1.55 Char per sec

[sharp grotto]

no i mean

per skill book

[fleet wolf]

Aint no way it wont stack

It's a stat line on the skill itself, so its gonna be whatever the highest book

[merry hearth]

oki ty

i get it now

[lyric bay]

but your hand will hurt without a macro, i wont lie to you

lol

[merry hearth]

ah ;;;

[fleet wolf]

18stacks leg

[merry hearth]

ill try looking into how to use macro

[fleet wolf]

the same

[merry hearth]

ive never tried it before

my ping averages 25-30 so maybe it wont be too bad

[fervent pond]

it'll be very good at that ping lol

[pallid grotto]

Reading this channel gives me eye cancer

[ocean forge]

Not very nice tsuki

😔

[terse fiber]

I think we might need to move some pins in here

[vague prairie]

it's not per skill book, but haven't seen anyone on KR test if it's affected by GM points, crit, etc

if it were per book, sin/des/bd would be doing 1MM+ dps

[slow magnet]

its always boosted for 8 seconds after coldsnap

[fickle glen]

eu did it!

lol

[uncut wigeon]

💀

[slow magnet]

id honestly

just

that really sucks for them LMAO

the legendary forceblast does absolutely nothing

[fickle glen]

it fully resets the cd

cool upgrade!

[lyric bay]

i think i would start crying lol

[slow magnet]

i cant think of when you'd want to double snowball

that just sounds like a loss

[uncut wigeon]

Double frost tornado = big heal xD

[lyric bay]

in pvp double snowball on a frozen target 📈

[slow magnet]

running force blast in pvp

[uncut wigeon]

Why did they even make that a legendary, they’re trolling

[fickle glen]

yall dont?

[slow magnet]

counter impact to wall bang

[lyric bay]

immitation to hit hiding assassins trying to steal my horn

[fickle glen]

You have bigger problems if you are the one who is defending horns in team imo

[lyric bay]

my pvp experience is a free premium teaser for a 3night stay in hell

absolutely dreadful

[slow magnet]

looks like this

[frank canopy]

Keeping and trying to reroll it when 4 fragment craft come up would prob be worth

[lyric stump]

how to make it show the skills used/list, I have just downloaded it.

[lyric stump]

feelsbad moment, he rolled the worst skill to be lege lmao

[fickle glen]

ngl I would buy but not for 50 💀

[merry hearth]

it's not loading 🤔

[graceful hawk]

It was Noush so it prob doesn't cost that much for him anyway

[lyric stump]

gotta love frankfurt 6

[fickle glen]

noush is ice

he uses that book

its not him

[lyric stump]

anyone else know how?

its only showing like this

[lyric bay]

I have never seen it like that

[vague prairie]

click in the white area

and scroll up

[lethal ginkgo]

@wary quiver

[lyric stump]

nothing shows

[wicked citrus]

For Ice Rain Build, Is it a dps loss to do a macro with

“2 LB RB F”

over a

“2 LB RB” macro?

The focus recovery from Dual Dragons and the Dragonfrost helps me with focus since I don’t use Balefire / Meteor

Or should i just manually hit F whenever dual dragons is up

[odd wraith]

rt2

no lmb rmb

use f manually

only use dragonfrost if u have focus issues

[pearl cloak]

this might be a crazy question and it is probably is but figured id ask anyways

Does anyone know if there is some kind of bug or interaction to cause someone to crash every time without fail on bloodmane when he reaches 40% threshhold. (Friend is an FM that recently swapped to dragonchar from blazing beam [After the maintenance he swapped to dragonchar] and it has been occuring consistently since the maint finished last night)

[graceful hawk]

It was him, he gambled a leg book

[pallid grotto]

Ouch..

[lyric bay]

I use F aswell. But I disabled both F's except dual dragons.
Manual f is most likely better, but it's more convenient to me that way if I don't have to

[ocean forge]

2RT2RT2RT2RT2RT2RT2RT2RT2RT2RT2RT2RT

[fickle glen]

Weird Why would he seli instead of using he needs it till gets legendary rain

[carmine thistle]

It wasn't me
The guy from cinderlands got it on the 14th (or 15th) try

[slow magnet]

F makes you insta roll out of knockdowns and dazes

[graceful hawk]

Oh I must have missheard nellan then

But even still I don't think you need legendary force blast if you have purple force blast, massive snowball and virtuous mystic

[sharp grotto]

Damn there is another giga whale on cinderlands? U guys are like the rich server of eu loool

[graceful hawk]

Ddos scared all the whales away

[pallid grotto]

No point keeping it if not used, if anyone else crafts it price would only drop

Of all the 6 options 5 are useful (3 bis obv) and he got the last, ayy

[fickle glen]

I can see it being used, ice rain wont be accessible by 99% of playerbase anyway

[pallid grotto]

i am gonna stay bb

[fickle glen]

no I mean by the ice players who don't have access to leg rain

[pallid grotto]

barely anyone will for a while

200€ gamble 5% for leg skill

unless we get significantly more purples somehow

[carmine thistle]

No

[fickle glen]

lets say he was really close to be a giga whale xd

[carmine thistle]

He really close to quit game as he said after this trash book

[fickle glen]

😔

[sharp grotto]

might have a gambling problem if he gambles so much for lego book with those stats lol

[lyric bay]

might

LOL

[pallid grotto]

who gambled the leg book?

hi noush big fan

[carmine thistle]

hello
"qCC", he already salvage it

[sharp grotto]

did he get 3 or 4 tho

if its 3 he double lost

[pallid grotto]

need 20 for a new leg..

he should've just sold it for 20-25k and called it a day

at least get back investment

[sharp grotto]

no

u need 4

new patch in korea

[vague prairie]

we're not seeing that patch for months

[sharp grotto]

and?

[vague prairie]

still don't march march 12 skill patch

and they've had 3 fairly large skill patches since

someone who is closing to quitting, isn't going to hold onto a useless item and hope it appreciates in value in an unknown number of months later

[median sonnet]

oh god

[sharp grotto]

thats suicide angle

[frank canopy]

Oh god

getting worst leggy

then 3 fragments

[median sonnet]

.

[frank canopy]

WTB purple ice rain eu

[ocean forge]

how much

[pallid grotto]

getting any legy is magic tho

[gloomy girder]

LF dragonchar guide

[sharp grotto]

I might have to do one updated

[opal bolt]

well, we're waiting

[frank canopy]

xdddddd

[pallid grotto]

cheap, gogo buy

[frank canopy]

40k now

My man wasting golds

xdd

[pallid grotto]

EU got NA prices now?

i sold one for 22k, i'm being too nice..

[plucky verge]

its fun to see

[cobalt dew]

WTB Ice Rain EU

[plucky verge]

I remember selling a dragonchar for 15K :(

[pallid grotto]

i sold a DC for 10k

it was fair price

insta sold and someone tried to resell for 14k

zzz

now imma go find active ppl and sell to them, maximizing profits is what makes this game p2w

[frank canopy]

ain't that you ?

tf are you even doing

Anyway still looking for a purple rain

[cobalt dew]

guess who sold his for 48k 🤣

[frank canopy]

Proof ? xdd need to know fr

[last raptor]

not even close to NA prices yet

[frank canopy]

huhhh

[pallid grotto]

man, ppl desperate..

[frank canopy]

some crazy whales

[real magnet]

send some funds, i need my purple cyclone kick

[cobalt dew]

i need some purple icerains tho

[frank canopy]

Who even pays 48

tf is that

[cobalt dew]

i dont know

just put it like that into marketplace

[frank canopy]

Can't believe someone would willingly pay 2x the normal price

for no reason

my man got hard fomo'd

[opal bolt]

4.8k is the best I can do

[cobalt dew]

ive bought it for 17.5k last week

[fickle glen]

well they better bring select box to next bp

I am going to wheel instead

have fun marketing rains 👍

[median sonnet]

are you fkin serious

[lyric bay]

What does this mean? 🤔

[zealous coyote]

can anyone tell me if this macro for ice rain is fine? in 1 min i have 118 frost swings but only 81 blazing

[terse fiber]

Frost palm has lower cd than Blazing palm so it will always have higher count afaik

[median sonnet]

ye

frost is 2/s and blazing is 1.43/s

well, in a perfect world at least

[fickle glen]

Real endgame

[median sonnet]

btw

[zealous coyote]

i understand thanks

[median sonnet]

did the 39k char sell yesterday?

[ocean forge]

yo whoever bought this one

and is lf another one

dm me ✌️

[frank canopy]

no

[pallid grotto]

ice rain sold for 40k it seems...

crazy world we live in

[frank canopy]

Yeah

wp to every ice main

[slow magnet]

I bought mine for 50

[frank canopy]

you got twice as rich

[pallid grotto]

coming for papa @carmine thistle

[frank canopy]

9 palm abusers and a random

[sharp grotto]

Huh

Noush should be doing way more

Like way more dmg

I did 40k dps on this wb and was 0.46% or smth

[pallid grotto]

i am around that aswell, almost 41k

cinder is bit diff we have 8min fight

[fervent pond]

why's there a noush and a noushka lol

what gm is noush?

[slow magnet]

GM points overrated

[fervent pond]

i'm just kinda surprised by the dmg done

are there a lot less fms in eu

NA only reaches like 0.5%

[slow magnet]

prolly a lot less players in general

if they can even connect

due to ddos

[fervent pond]

i thought EU had more players than NA

[vague prairie]

they still have ddos

[slow magnet]

their market prices are like half of ours

so idk

[vague prairie]

they have more players for sure

but why bother showing up to wb if there's significant chance to d/c and get 0 loot

[fervent pond]

yea if they had less people, supply would be even less

[vague prairie]

only juicers that already place high will bother

[slow magnet]

regular players basically dont contribute to the supply of things like purple books at all

[fervent pond]

so then just more gamblers in eu?

[slow magnet]

or less buyers willing to pay a high price

market is driven by demand side

the gamblers will gamble if there's people willing to buy for a high price or they want a specific book

[fervent pond]

still 1.1% is kinda crazy imo

[fervent pond]

what server is that

viridian?

[slow magnet]

Look at my username

#19 on meter

[fervent pond]

well yeah but bamboo is super unpopulated

their wb takes like 40 min to kill

[slow magnet]

which is what makes me think whichever EU server the other screenshot is from is less populated as well

maybe its from the less populated EU server

[fervent pond]

hmm i think noush is playing on the more populated one though

[vague prairie]

noush is on MW afaik, which is the highest pop server in global

[fervent pond]

oh no he's on cinderlands

he's in here

[vague prairie]

but yeah MW is just fked because of ddos, their players still d/c regularly every day

[fervent pond]

i guess so

[slow magnet]

cinderlands is less populated isnt it?

[fervent pond]

yeah

i believe so

[vague prairie]

cinderlands is less

[slow magnet]

that explains the 1% then

[fervent pond]

i guess that makes sense

[slow magnet]

but not like bamboo levels of unpopulated

top 20 at level 4

with 1 hit on WB

lets go

[vague prairie]

more like viridian coast

[slow magnet]

funny thing is you dont even get a larger split per rank

the splits for the ranks that dont exist

eg 20-50 and 51-100 or whatever

[fervent pond]

ok yea a few weeks ago shows nellan at #1 with 0.6%

[slow magnet]

just are lost to the void

[fervent pond]

that makes more sense

[slow magnet]

it doesnt redistribute the total among the players that showed up

[fervent pond]

lol viridian kinda dead too i think

18 min to kill wb

[slow magnet]

better than 40

[fervent pond]

honestly god bless

can't imagine fighting wb for more than 5 min

[hidden trout]

Anyone using macro for ice rain build? Need some help.

[fervent pond]

2rt(f) and ur good

[slow magnet]

just dont make the delays too short

[fervent pond]

LOL i have mine at 1 and 5

ms

[slow magnet]

if you put em all at 1

it just doesnt work for some reason

[fervent pond]

ye 1 will skip my blazing palms sometimes

[fickle glen]

rmb is way faster

how much is recommended anyway

isnt it 1 for every 10 ms?

[fervent pond]

how much what

[hidden trout]

When cold snap is on u spam 2 or 2rt?

[fervent pond]

2rt

[slow magnet]

2rtf

[fickle glen]

1ms delay for every 10 ingame ms u have? I heardit somewhere but no idea if its accuracte

[fervent pond]

dunno i have like 70 ping and i still run 1 and 5 lol

[hidden trout]

Got it thanks

[slow magnet]

that should be fine

i just meant not have em all at 1 because that seems to be worse for whatever reason

[fervent pond]

oh ye i tested at 1 for everything too

[slow magnet]

@fervent pond wtf you have 3 purple ice rains

leviathan whale

[fervent pond]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-black-kid-gif-4937950

[pallid grotto]

Moonwater yes, not cinder

[pallid grotto]

Cinder

[frank canopy]

Cinderlands sometimes has like really small lag spikes with a lot of dc's nothing prolonged tho

[pallid grotto]

Ye that happens sometimes

[sharp grotto]

this is the ranking of moonwater

the other ranking is from dead server

they need 8min to kill

[lyric stump]

whats 2rt mean?

2 rmb lmb?

shouldn't we just keep spamming 2 when its boosted?

[sharp grotto]

my 0.452% on FM was 40k dps

i did missplay could get more prob

[fervent pond]

Ooo yea based on this i mw def has more

We’re at around 0.5-0.6 and i’m only doing like 33-35k