Force Master

[lyric bay]

also about stacking ice rain. .. these clowns are increasing the price again. it was below 1k bevore the patch. now its back up to 1.8k 🤡🤡🤡

[slow magnet]

50k divine gems

[brittle junco]

how much i need to buy stones for soulshields ? 100, 200 or what I don’t wanna spend to much i only have 10k divine gems saved

Sorry for my bad English

[fickle glen]

rolling for it is

you simply can use 10 and not hit

[jagged hull]

Is there any value in keeping non-crit critdmg soulshields for when you need extra piercing or accuracy 🤔

Like crit + piercing/accuracy

[fickle glen]

accuracy is overrated really

our sum has 350 accur and has 94 hit rate with detect

but cdmg+accur is acceptable if roll is good

[jagged hull]

Hmm I see

[fickle glen]

I got this for example, but tbh I would roll for cr cd on profane

[jagged hull]

Might end up with 3 set brightstone

Have some reasonable brightstone options

[fickle glen]

just get perfect profane instead of investing brightstone

[jagged hull]

You mean through fusing right

[fickle glen]

no lol

its expensive af

[jagged hull]

Yeah I was quite disappointed by that

[fickle glen]

just roll for them, you need to fuse cards for yunma fei anyway

[jagged hull]

Fair enough

Would piercing + accuracy for pvp be even worth bothering with 🤔

[fickle glen]

no

fm has high af piercing already

[jagged hull]

Yeah I do like that

[brittle junco]

Guys are we play the same game xD what are u both talk about, yeah i discover I’m very noob what a hard game

[jagged hull]

I do remember from live you would actually want to stack piercing really high

[jagged hull]

You prefer critical + critical damage, but piercing (helps against high boss defense) and accuracy (helps against missing hits) are decent rolls if you miss one of the two (crit/crit dmg)

[fickle glen]

u have

1.5k base piercing

[jagged hull]

Yeah I mightve been overvalueing it

Im 2-3 levels behind most people atm

But seems like I should reach 50 pretty quickly

[high violet]

I feel like my dps is way low for my gear and stats.
What's the optimal combo for Ice rain FM? Entire combo, including focus generation and cold snap. I want to see if I'm doing something wrong

[fickle glen]

rmb lmb 2 always

z when ur buff is off, x when ur z is off, 1 when ur x is off

[high violet]

I go with 2tr instead

it's what I've seen doing th4e most dmg on the training dummy

but I'm doing the above and dps is strill oddly low

I don't get it

My MS is around 56-60

[fickle glen]

I didn't meant as macro order

ye u start with 2

[brittle junco]

Lets say i have no crit dmg and my rmb crit do 800 attacks if i get 1k crit dmg how much will my crit rmb do now ? 1800??

Is it count like that

?

[fickle glen]

cdmg has more annoying calculation in this game

so no

[brittle junco]

How to calculate it to see if its worth to change my whole gear for it or no

[fickle glen]

it is worth to change your whole gear

always get crit dmg main stat on accessories

[brittle junco]

And soulsh. Crit rait as main stat ?

[fickle glen]

you are using profane

you should get double crits

[brittle junco]

What about the weapon

Im taking nots xD

[fickle glen]

crit dmg

[brittle junco]

Ok and what better persing or accursy sorry again i have bad writing in english

Or get both but who is better

[fickle glen]

crits>accur>piercing

ur getting tons of piercing from ur class

[brittle junco]

Ok ty

[lyric stump]

for soul sheilds, you always need crit damage on everyone of them, and for second stats pref crit rate but also accurcy is good if you can't manage to get double crit shields.

[lyric stump]

accursy ofc

cus when you get more blue books you get persing stats from them

the priority is crit damage > crit rate > accuracy

[frank canopy]

WTS EU/ WTB Purple Ice Rain
Can trade vs ice rain too

[autumn elk]

Anyone has a good macro/program for blazing beam?

[unkempt horizon]

2TR. only macro I ever needed for Beam

[autumn elk]

I get that but do you use intervals? or

[unkempt horizon]

Intervals are ping dependant

just have to test and find the best for you

[autumn elk]

Yea but at what interval do you use T and R etc?

[fickle glen]

WTS purple dragonchar eu

[unkempt horizon]

I told you, it depends on your ping. Mine was just 2 ms waits between the two. repeat while holding button down

[uneven talon]

Already 52 oof, couldn’t be me

[glacial pine]

How ??? O_O
Have a secret quest ?

[uneven talon]

Just grinding dungeons i guess

[graceful hawk]

Spamming bsh

[sharp grotto]

wts eu

[unkempt horizon]

Wts NA. DM offers.

[cunning obsidian]

Any dragon charr guide for force master?

[graceful hawk]

Anyone has a ice FM skill counts parse? Want to check something

[lyric bay]

like this?

[graceful hawk]

Yeah ty

Want to check the difference between lmb and rmb counts

[lyric bay]

i have a few more frost palm, because im lazy and only use rmbs inbetween snowball and coldsnap

[sour sedge]

Considering equal everything whats higher dmg ice rain or blazing beam build?

[graceful hawk]

I always get higher rmb counts than lmb

Wanted to see if I can fix it in the macro and how it changes the dmg

[terse fiber]

RMB has lower internal CD than LMB

and beam is also softlocking lmb for like 200ms somehow

And im thinking about changing from beam to ice since it somehow seems that it does better on blue books

will wait for purple book to disappoint me with frost armor or smth first 😄

[lyric bay]

i just know my purple book will be something like the 3-hit rmb

[terse fiber]

My 50lvl book was Z 3-hit skill

Wildfire

[lyric bay]

mine was the fire z

the one thats not the kd

[graceful hawk]

Yeah I noticed lmb has higher cd than rmb

My lvl 50 book was ice rain, game decided my build for me

[lyric bay]

some people never struggle

smh

[graceful hawk]

I was beam green books until 50 to see what book I was gonna get

Rng giveth, rng taketh I haven't seen an ap insignia in 2 weeks

[lyric stump]

what else do i need to be able to run the new dungs? i get 8k-8.5k on crit for ice rain on dummys

full f2p btw 😅

Running out of gold where is my compinsation

[graceful hawk]

First thing is getting 750+ ap or else no one will accept you into parties

[lyric stump]

working on it, anything else ? is my accurcey fine ?

[graceful hawk]

Some parties ask for 1k+ some don't

Prob can fix it with a detect card set

[lyric stump]

I have one more slot available on my soul shields for some more accurcey

[lyric bay]

900 should be good enough

especially when u level up

[lyric stump]

my current cards

[lyric bay]

seems good to me

[lyric stump]

yea i got lucky with karri card drops, only used 100 to get 2 of them

gonna go roll the wheel for abit to get double crit or aucc on this

[lyric bay]

u probably already do more than enough dmg for cs

so its just aboiut getting enough ap to join parties

[lyric stump]

its a slow grind on that one, started recently farming tower as it got nerfed, i wasn't able to do it before.

gotta wait couple more days to be able to buy from the merchant

[merry hearth]

how many insignias do u use per stat on ur insignia page?

[lyric stump]

wdym ?

its full

[merry hearth]

like 1-2 ap insignias per red yellow blue, what grade r the insignias green or blue etc

[lyric stump]

bad once atm

mostly green

everytime i get a blue it becomes debuff resistance

upgrading identical insignias is not worth it, 7 gold for 1 extra ap lmao

[lyric bay]

🤡 i do that

its worth it to me

skipping the rng part

[lyric stump]

nah fr ?

heck no am not wasting my gold on that

[plucky verge]

quick question, since FM has more piercing from base stats, do we need to get a specific cap compared to other classes or not ?

currently got 2300

[lyric stump]

idk i never cared about perricing tbh

[lyric bay]

for real

[lyric stump]

perricing is only important for BM/BD I think

[lyric stump]

u crazy

[lyric bay]

7g is nothing

[lyric stump]

maybe if you swipe

[plucky verge]

a whale is talking

[lyric stump]

but for us is a big fkin price

[lyric bay]

u upgrade your acc from awaken to true. u get what 2ap? and maybe 20 more crit

and u already pay 14g for one attempt

[lyric stump]

tbh idk what am gonna be doing if there was no ddos and compinsations lol

[lyric bay]

meanwhile im here paying 7g for 100% the chance to get at least 1ap

[graceful hawk]

Yeah I save 3 ap insignias and upgrade them to the next tier too

[plucky verge]

for the fuse that costs originally 7g, its worth but only if you start fusing greens and above rarity, not the common one

[lyric stump]

7 gold is just to upgrade from basic to green lmao

[graceful hawk]

Or else you will never have higher tier ap insignias

[plucky verge]

yeah for green to blues its 14g

[lyric bay]

🤷‍♂️

u might never get a blue ap insigina

but i will, bcuz i pay for it

[lyric stump]

my current gold balance

[dapper dock]

thats like 1 day of dailies

not even

[fickle glen]

yeet the trash books

u have fiend fire

[lyric stump]

i love this skill wydm trash lol

[lyric bay]

its not like he has another ice rain to equip it instead

[fickle glen]

adding another blaze palm would be better than having that skill

since you will never use that

[lyric stump]

I do use it all the time

[fickle glen]

how do you use that

it has

[lyric stump]

but palm never

[fickle glen]

2.5 sec cast time

???

replace ice sheet

[lyric bay]

on the opener

[lyric stump]

i do it before the fight starts

[fickle glen]

replace meteor

[graceful hawk]

Yeet ice sheet, meteor and fiend fire

They're useless

On ice

[lyric stump]

sheet is from my lvl 50, i kinda like it on pvp

[fickle glen]

keep it on different acc then

[graceful hawk]

Ok but the new dungeons aren't pvp

[fickle glen]

dont use it on pve

also its not that useful since you cant wallbang anyway

also focus issue

[graceful hawk]

Yeah use it on another acc for pvp

That's 3 more blue ice rains you can equip

[lyric stump]

thats if i have 3 more lol

[graceful hawk]

Maybe not now but in the future

[lyric stump]

tbh i don't feel much difference with 6gm

wasted like 4kgems for 10% boost

idk if its worth it tbh

[graceful hawk]

Wait until it goes under 1k again

But first focus on stats

Books are for later

[lyric stump]

yup

thank you all for the help

its rough being f2p on this game lol

[fickle glen]

its about luck tbh

[graceful hawk]

Only gonna get harder tbh

[fickle glen]

1 lucky purple transmute

and ur good for a patch

[terse fiber]

1 try a day is not that costly tbh

[graceful hawk]

There's nothing to farm for gold/dg that doesn't involve rng

[sharp grotto]

wts eu

[graceful hawk]

So if you have trash luck there's no progress

[terse fiber]

imagine having that much dg

[lyric stump]

yea its how i bought these books, got lucky yesterday on my sin character and transmuted a purple book, sold it for 7k an hour ago

[graceful hawk]

I'm farming poh since it released and never seen a legendary drop, my day is basically farming it until 0 blessing to get 0 blue books out of it and 0 progress too

It's been like that for 2 weeks

[sharp grotto]

i have not seen a single lego drop either

and im at 150 bsh kills

so far

[fickle glen]

my all pt got atleast 2 legendaries xdddddddd and I got only 1 purple bracelet in last 4 day

istg they ninja nerfed drop rates

day 1 was good

[graceful hawk]

You can at least drop purple accs from bsh which are quite valuable still

[fickle glen]

rest is doomed

[lyric stump]

dam bro, you need to work on that luck

[graceful hawk]

Meanwhile siren accs

[lyric stump]

i have gotten 3 good legendry ring drops so far, selling them 1k+

[graceful hawk]

Screw this blessing system tbh

[lyric stump]

yea its bad

[plucky verge]

[graceful hawk]

Drop rates are ass even with limited runs

So I can't farm anything to progress my char

[sharp grotto]

they said in korea they wanna buff droprates

[plucky verge]

im tempted but I bought a few already, my bank account telling me I should stop

[graceful hawk]

All depends on rng

[sharp grotto]

are u tsk?

[merry hearth]

they need to increase blessing amount or make it so we get blessing wvery x minutes like in other gachas

[fickle glen]

nop

[lyric stump]

I have only seen 3 purple book drops, and that was like 3 weeks+ ago on bad bug raids, before i got enough stats for poh, which I didn't get bc i was very low on gold back then

[graceful hawk]

Bring back SSP moonstone farming/naksun moonstone farming bro

[sharp grotto]

we are getting MSP farming

in the future

u can farm purple balls to either use or sell

and u can sell ur time also

[graceful hawk]

Fk MSP all my homies hate MSP

I was only there to water the plants

[fickle glen]

@pallid grotto is TSK afaik 🤔

according to my little stalk in raid rec channel from years ago xd

[sharp grotto]

maybe someone also wants this

[pallid grotto]

correct

hello

[sharp grotto]

u need a beam?

[pallid grotto]

price?

[sharp grotto]

i got one up for 27k atm

[pallid grotto]

2 more and never again ig

bought one today, i'm kinda out of divines haha

[sharp grotto]

ah

i mean i can put it aside

if u wanna buy it later

[plucky verge]

tsukatsuki rio

[sharp grotto]

ah ok

[plucky verge]

how much for this

kinda want a bracelet since I cant go to hae yet and for a while

[fickle glen]

wdym cant

🤨

[plucky verge]

my dps sucks ass

[fickle glen]

if u cant get in with that gear we are doomed

[pallid grotto]

big fan

[sharp grotto]

im not sure tbh there was one up for 8.5k but worse rolled cdmg

[plucky verge]

for bsh im alright but for hae its gonna be difficult

[sharp grotto]

i put mine for 10k for now

but negotiable

[plucky verge]

50 gems and a pack of beers

[sharp grotto]

i dont drink

[fickle glen]

a pack?

in this economy?

[plucky verge]

[pallid grotto]

1 car fuel works too but that's more expensive..

[fickle glen]

its literally same dps atleast for me 🤔

well when I was 50 i didnt check later

[sharp grotto]

also selling this for cheap

[plucky verge]

whats your dps on bsh

[fickle glen]

depends on how much I get hit while watching movie

but around 15ish

[pallid grotto]

wts..

[fickle glen]

but I am 52 rn so idk how accurate it is

for others

[pallid grotto]

we know who xrick is on disc?

[plucky verge]

ill have to sell my ass for gear soon

[vale musk]

same

😔

[sharp grotto]

if u need the bracelet u know wher eu find me

[vale musk]

need NA to drop usable gear

[plucky verge]

I mean sure but 10K is just too much, you can imagine how much costs 3 blazing beam purple already

I still have no clue why im spending so much

need more cdmg rn but

[fickle glen]

should gamba instead

[plucky verge]

keeping this for now

[fickle glen]

I kinda hate getting cr main stat

[sharp grotto]

shoot me an offer

[fickle glen]

since you literally cant get cdmg

[plucky verge]

nothing that will satisfy you bro, we both know it

currently I kinda need good bracelet and gloves

[sharp grotto]

lowest id go for is 8k prob

[plucky verge]

and eventually ring/earrings with 2 substats

yeah 8K is still too much , sorry dude

[sharp grotto]

np

my belt is 3.5k

[plucky verge]

[fickle glen]

btw how much u hold on hae rn Nellan?

[plucky verge]

I bet 20K+

[pallid grotto]

fm version where?

[fickle glen]

its 99% meme

[sharp grotto]

depends if i get fisted or not

[plucky verge]

its a bait

[sharp grotto]

avg clear is 25k

[pallid grotto]

lv52 actual mvp

[sharp grotto]

i did some runs todays we had 1:30min or more left on enrage

for mujin

[fickle glen]

my group is also really close to speed clear achiev, once our sum or I get the purple skill we should get it :copium:

ONCE THAT GUY IN FACTION STOPS PAYING 30K FOR THEM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[plucky verge]

on bsh ? think I got a group earlier that killed it with 1min30 ahead of timer but

[fickle glen]

eh our top 3 can easily get the speed clear, our bot 3 is the issue

We are dragging them down lol

[plucky verge]

Wish I was in top 3 dps kek

would you use or try to sell

[fickle glen]

afaik u use it on beam?

[plucky verge]

ye

there was one on F5 for 4K

probably too expensive for what it is

[fickle glen]

I don't know the value of it sry

Ice one does go down to 3k once every week lol

market is funny

[terse fiber]

I wonder whats going on with blue beams. It goes from 2k to 1.5k during the day. then all of it is gone but not due to auction ending and now its only one for 3k XD

[plucky verge]

after the latest update, it went from 1200 to 5K

[terse fiber]

Ye that was funny. 😄

I wonder if someone actually bought for that price

[plucky verge]

I bet someone bought them to resell them high but got rekt since it lowered to 2K the same day

trying to scam the market doesnt always work

[terse fiber]

Same with icerains. They were below 1k and jumped up to 1,5-2k

[tranquil prawn]

22.6k dps on average for 3:20 clear on hae

thats a bit rough

[sharp grotto]

u basically want

6 giga whales

[tranquil prawn]

maybe on a really good try if would manage that

[sharp grotto]

yea

just need lvl up

lvl52-53

doable

[slow cobalt]

WTS

[pallid grotto]

use

with purple blazing palm

[plucky verge]

doubt it does much so ill try to sell ( already in market ) otherwise ill use it

[pallid grotto]

it's a lot better than shock fire if u play bb build with purple palm

if u play other lmb it's w/e

doesn't share gcd with other skills so can snipe 5 stacks for burn

shock fire has gcd with 2
u stop rota to use, long fights quite some dps loss

and focus on bb is w/e
if u play dragonchar different story

[plucky verge]

hmm Im gonna try then

bruh

[fickle glen]

wait

someone tried to

upgrade it to increase stat

and failed horribly

lol

[plucky verge]

@pallid grottodont want to buy leg weapon yet ?

[pallid grotto]

You mean wb wep?

No cause only wep is 29 ap
You need 40 more token (4 more weps/8 outfits) extra to upgrade for that juicy 106 ap

We prob get new wep that will be better than the basic version of this

So you don't just buy the wep, u buy extra weps (total wep + roughly 1.5-2.5k € for upgrade mats)

And in 1-2 months u most likely get a wep f2p that has same ap as basic version of wb wep

29 ap simply not worth the price and almost 3k for 106 ap is quite a bit

@fickle glen hi smokey

[fickle glen]

helo

big fan

[vague prairie]

there is no better weapon than time stream.

awakened timestream is ~90 AP better than the HH legendary upgraded to True

[fickle glen]

if you awaken it

which is double of the price of weapons itself

[vague prairie]

yes, but upgrading hexwood weapon isn't free neither, it's also extremely expensive

buying more purple books is more dps/ncoin than tapping hexwood

[fickle glen]

its standart legendary cost

cheapest outfit was like 30k?

and thats 5 fragments

it is free compared to timestream

[knotty torrent]

How is char as a build? I'm running beam rn, wondering if swapping beam for char would give me a dps increase. I know it's a bit focus hungry

[pallid grotto]

I doubt it is that much ap diff
Current wep: 261
Timestream normal: 290 (+29)
Awk timestream: 367 (+106)
77 ap diff between them
True hex should be around 310-320 (?)
So roughly 40-50 ap max diff for a fair pocket change of 2.5k€ vs 200-600€ (depends on your rng)

If wb prices go down by a lot there could be reasons, else i dun see them for now 😄

[vague prairie]

true hex is 304

[pallid grotto]

So we talk 304 vs 367 aka 63 ap

I mean yes it is still better ofc but does the price justify the value?

If u can grab it nice but without upgrading it will be "worse"

Upgrade prices on hex are the same as like current neck?

[vague prairie]

no, but in the same vein, in terms of dps/ncoin, HH leg isn't really worth it neither for a while

[pallid grotto]

Do we upgrade our current wep or new drop?

Ye books best investment for sure

[vague prairie]

drop from HH or craft w/ forgekeepers

[pallid grotto]

Lemme guess, new wep ticket currency not moonwater?

[vague prairie]

no, it's legendary

so it takes 10 purple to make 1 legendary bp

same as acc

[pallid grotto]

Can fuse multiple tickets same as legs accs?

Ait

I stack those anyway cause pvp quest

[vague prairie]

so around 200 of each powder, 6 dark element, a lot of metal

and ~5 days craft time

[pallid grotto]

What is the base leg ap?

Not true

[vague prairie]

268

7ap better than siren lmao

[pallid grotto]

Ok not worth unless good stats hahah

Siren is minmaxed for many

Very nice very nice..

So we approach the p2w/minmaxing area now, not simply new wep u can keep upgrading

I assume we can upgrade siren wep too

[fervent pond]

U can breakthrough to hh with siren tho

But it’s ascent stones like rn

[pallid grotto]

At 20% chance avg 10% progress bar

So worst case 10 taps
1k gold + 150 asc stones

[fervent pond]

Start salvaging

[pallid grotto]

Out of 120 accs salvaged i got 3

Hehe

[vague prairie]

that's true, but it's not guaranteed tap

so unless you think hexwood is gonna go for more than ~70k ncoin on f5, it's not worth upgrading

and if you think it will, you might as well save for timestream

lmao

[pallid grotto]

Ye options are scuffed

What are costs for hex -> awk hex -> true hex, any exact data available?

Could do some quickmath then

[pallid grotto]

who put purple blazing beam on market for 25k? is he here by chance?

[fickle glen]

its same as any legendary

[fickle glen]

Someone was spamming in moonwater last night, unless its listed new thatshould be the guy I'll share the nick if I see

Nellan also had one iirc?

@terse fiber you shouldn't lose any beam, because you will be using it manually to get last ember anyway

I don't remember if 1 blocks gcd tho

[terse fiber]

might be softlocking for 200-300ms like beam with LMB

Im not sure why it works this way but well

Yast was recently updated with gcd groups and they are in different ones as they should but still input for beam will softlock lmb

[pallid grotto]

Ye that one i am aware

Currently like 3 on sale, 2 listed on market

Might aswell finish my pokémon collection and call it for good

[fickle glen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795417281923907617/863402623834390568/image0.gif

[last raptor]

are those the same as the wb ones?

[fickle glen]

wdym

timestream is the wb one

[last raptor]

i meant in atk

[fickle glen]

true hex goes above wb

awak wb is like 60 more

[last raptor]

but isnt a true wb much better then?

[vague prairie]

Why stop at true

go transcendent

601 Ap weapon

[vague prairie]

1 and 2 are same gcd group

You lose 0.5 blazing beam to cast Impact

[terse fiber]

There it goes then. But why is Beam blocking LMB for a moment is beyond me.

[vague prairie]

beam, or impact?

[pallid grotto]

currently not available to upgrade that far

[terse fiber]

Beam. Try to use beam and instantly after LMB. Its softlocked right after beam goes out

So it comes to 1/1 Beam/LMB ratio due to that

[vague prairie]

yes, beam has an animation

it's why a rt2 macro has 1/1.2/1 ratio and a 2tr has a 0.9/1.5/0.9 ratio (beam/rmb/lmb)

[terse fiber]

Im at 1.6 for rmb but beam/lmb is around 0.9-1

But good point with beam animation, thanks!

Too bad its not linked to distance between you and enemy so being close would actually be beneficial for shortening animation time

[vague prairie]

gonna do a short test to confirm 2tr 2rt rt2 tr2

[terse fiber]

Are u on 0 all or some small 5 ms on release

[vague prairie]

but iirc 2 causes 200ms-ish delay

instant key release

[terse fiber]

Ye something around 200-300 from my testing

Im wondering if its worth to include F for dragons or just press whenever focus is going low

[vague prairie]

f is completely ogcd

so you can press it whenever

if you dont have 100 acc, you'll have focus issues

[terse fiber]

i've seen somewhere auto bias being mentioned, but im not sure if thats only for high ping players or does it kick in with lower ping too

if that might also mess with timing

[pallid grotto]

2tr makes it easier to snipe timing for palm
if u ever get legy bb and one extra ember stack on crit it'll get funny tho with purple palm explosion lmb

[frank canopy]

Char is better than beam dps wise in purple. But you need good macro and kinda low ping to optimize char dmgs

[pallid grotto]

if u also got purple palm i'd say bb is performing better, it kinda depends on build u use (lmb)

also what are conditions for max attack speed on char?

[slow magnet]

Purple blazing palm is pretty annoying to use with blazing beam

[sharp grotto]

why?

its very easy

F>1 combo is guaranteed burn no matter how many stacks u had on it before

[pallid grotto]

Kinda free dps if u ask me especially on wb

[sharp grotto]

if u dont use purp palm u lose over 15%

dps

[slow magnet]

I have purple palm but the beam fms always complain because I'm sabotaging them pretty hard lol

[sharp grotto]

how?

if u sabotage them, u sabotage urself

all u neeed is perma burn

[pallid grotto]

If they use shock fire

[sharp grotto]

thats it

[pallid grotto]

9s version and fail

[terse fiber]

Do u use dd badge then to lower its cd?

[sharp grotto]

but

[pallid grotto]

Meteor badge mvp

[sharp grotto]

even if they fail

u keep perma burn up

if u dont perma burn urself

[slow magnet]

No but I'm on ice

[sharp grotto]

ure sabotaging urself

[slow magnet]

I only take embers off

Without apply any burn

[pallid grotto]

They cannot use infernos

[sharp grotto]

ah i was talking abt beam

[pallid grotto]

They cry

Simple

[sharp grotto]

u can still manage it tho

if u do F>1 fast af

ull get it off

[pallid grotto]

They dunno how to use dd

[sharp grotto]

90% of the time

[vague prairie]

dd badge isnt worth

[pallid grotto]

The problem is ppl simply don't know or read their abilities

[vague prairie]

fire/ice f shares cd with beam

[sharp grotto]

no im using meteor badge atm

[slow magnet]

I've been hunting for a DD badge in case I ever get legendary ice rain lmao

[pallid grotto]

DD badge i would only recommend if u play dragonchar and have focus issues

[vague prairie]

its not ogcd like DD

[slow magnet]

DD becomes the best badge for ice at legendary

[pallid grotto]

Ice spec uses ice badge

[sharp grotto]

u dont need ice badge

on lego

[slow magnet]

At legendary ice rain is always boosted and no longer relies on coldsnap

The badge becomes useless

[pallid grotto]

If u leg legy

Sell to noush for 3k

Call it a day

[sharp grotto]

legi will sell for 600k on NA

easly

i bet

[slow magnet]

I'm so tempted to gamble for it lol

[sharp grotto]

[pallid grotto]

50 purple frags

Cheapest books avg 15 books x 1.5k

Aka 20k for 1 try of 5%

Good luck

[slow magnet]

I think 2k more realistically

You rarely find 1.5k books

[sharp grotto]

EU u have many books

sub 1.5k

[pallid grotto]

U do if u check all classes

[sharp grotto]

some even 1k

[slow magnet]

Wtf eu is cooked

[pallid grotto]

1.2-1.5 range

[slow magnet]

I check all classes on NA

[pallid grotto]

NA is different breed

[slow magnet]

Lowest I saw today was 1950 purple trash book

[sharp grotto]

EU is just the better server,but we tank DDOS

[pallid grotto]

I am on cinder

No issues

Hehe

[slow magnet]

How much do ice rain purples go for on EU?

[sharp grotto]

it ranges

[pallid grotto]

22-35k

[sharp grotto]

i remember one sold for 10k

but usually yea

20-30k

range

[slow magnet]

Lmao I just bought mine for 50k this week

[vague prairie]

isnt mystic badge choice meangingless for legendary ice rain?

[pallid grotto]

500$ for a book

[sharp grotto]

i should go gamble on NA server

[pallid grotto]

Meanwhile world boss wep sold for 420

Hahah

[vague prairie]

since you can weave lmb with ice rain and have overall positive focus change

w/o any loss of ice rain casts

[slow magnet]

In KR they use the dual dragons badge with it and cast dragonblaze and dragonfrost iirc

[pallid grotto]

Legendary ice rain is hold that 2 strong

[vague prairie]

that is a meme

[pallid grotto]

And press some other buttons at random

[vague prairie]

dragonblaze and dragonfrost puts ice rain on gcd

if lmb is enough focus, pressing F on db/df is losing dps

[slow magnet]

I think it does net positive

Because of dragonblaze and dual dragons 5 embers giving you a free detonate

If solo FM

And dual dragons off gcd

[vague prairie]

you are casting DD in either scenario cause ogcd group 14 or whatever

[slow magnet]

I can't test it out obviously atm but I did see some kr videos of them using it

And I assumed that if they dropped the gems for legendary ice rain they are probably using an optimal build for that setup

[vague prairie]

you lose ~2.5 ice rains to cast a dragonblaze or frost

so that can't be worth ~7 extra detonations per minute

[pallid grotto]

anyone tested frost fury on rmb with any build?

[slow magnet]

Its so bad

[pallid grotto]

anilock i assume?

[slow magnet]

I put it one

On

Went holy crap

Took it off

And sold it

[pallid grotto]

i remember u could use this and anicancel with arctic blast on live

here we got ice rain only

[slow magnet]

The animation lock is unbelievably bad

It even blocks action queing

[pallid grotto]

shared gcd

[vague prairie]

do you know the animation duration on it?

[slow magnet]

Long enough that I lose like two ice rains

[vague prairie]

short enough to fit between 1 sec beam gcd?

[pallid grotto]

should be 0.7s if it is OG, i never tried it yet

0.5-0.7s ish

[slow magnet]

You might be able to make it worth with that maybe, but it would still be really annoying

Because of it not allowing action queuing

[vague prairie]

beam has 200ms animation, so it needs to be <800ms animation

[slow magnet]

Any inputs you press before the animation ends are dropped

[vague prairie]

im too jew to test since there's no blue version of it

[pallid grotto]

i could give it a try on dummy, someone fund me 4g

[slow magnet]

Any other skills, if you press it just before the gcd ends

It queues the action to use after

[pallid grotto]

ok imma test it with bb

gonna be useless with dc

idk with ice

[slow magnet]

You might be able to get it to work with beam

Its horrible on ice

Since you weave RT while spamming ice rain

[pallid grotto]

8g wasting

for some science

ayaya

[slow magnet]

Did you buy the book lol

[pallid grotto]

i had it from long ago

[slow magnet]

How much is it

[pallid grotto]

it was on market for 1.5 so i bought it back then

never tried

[slow magnet]

If you can make it work good on you

But it felt horrible for me

[vague prairie]

you sure? did you test with macro

b&s skill queue is only 200-250ms

just checked w/ impact + blazing beam

[pallid grotto]

...

ok the problem is

u lose lmb counts

and therefore already a big loss

even if ur rmb does 3x the dmg

less lmb = focus slowing going down as ur lmb doesn't give u any even with bb
it's weird

[frank canopy]

Yeah the higher the ping the more LMB counts you lose using macro

True for every build expect beam

[vague prairie]

whats your lmb count w/ frost fury>?

[pallid grotto]

yea ok

😂

[slow magnet]

It just felt so horrible I only owned the skill for 15 minutes

I immediately took it off and re sold it

because I bought it at 8k

And I was like

[pallid grotto]

lmao

[slow magnet]

I better sell this again before people realize HOW BAD IT IS

[pallid grotto]

wasted

[slow magnet]

And I re sold for 7.9

[pallid grotto]

ye is dps loss, no matter how hard u try, also very hard to get skills out cause it anilocks u in ice stance

[vague prairie]

are you using 2tr for that?

[pallid grotto]

so gotta manually lmb once

tr2 for this test now

gonna try 2tr

[vague prairie]

yeah if the animation for rmb is short enough, you should get 1/1/1 per second counts

[pallid grotto]

ok

i run out of focus

cause lmb is getting skipped by anilock

[vague prairie]

[pallid grotto]

i could change optimize my macro but not gonna go that deep into this

[vague prairie]

if it could be made to work, it would be a ~1.8 AP/sec dps gain for blazing beam

[pallid grotto]

2tr has the issue that u change to fire stance and hav to wait for GCD of 2 to use burn or similar

or manually snipe lmb and pray ur c is going off in fire stance cause it has travel time

ye no this is too clunky i pass

[vague prairie]

yeah it's too bad you can't xml edit fire skills to separate hotkey

[slow magnet]

yeah so basically my experience without the dropping 8k on it first

[pallid grotto]

here a short clip how it performs

as comparison, on normal lmb it's comfy 37-38k without any drops

(yes i'm a whale)

[slow magnet]

its clipping your beam GCD

i can see it

[pallid grotto]

main issue is focus, moving targets will screw u over - the big benefit of bb build

i could lower down macro to like 30-50ms and try if i can manage to optimize it but eh

doubt it'll be any dps gain

normal rmb it is
topic closed for me, if anyone wants to prove me wrong feel free

[slow magnet]

im pretty sure you are losing some beams over a fight

[fickle glen]

wait dont you lose damage from frost fury

[slow magnet]

it looks slightly longer than beam GCD

[pallid grotto]

you gain dmg from it but lose lmb counts - dps loss here (especially those who use purple lmao)

it's a trade off that sure aint worth especially with purple palm

viable yes, BiS at least currently not, unless i screw over with macro

clunky and anilock UGLY

[slow magnet]

even if its "viable" it just feels awful as well

[pallid grotto]

yes

defo

easy solution 😂

it's usable for ppl who lack purples in general i'd say mostly

[slow magnet]

wtf 1500

[pallid grotto]

should have waited till sold before i share my result huh

[vague prairie]

should buy 11 more and attempt leg

🙂

[tranquil prawn]

people on eu already know its awful

[fickle glen]

u cant move while casting it right

[slow magnet]

is the purple fodder zone 1500 on EU??

[fickle glen]

how they made it this bad

[pallid grotto]

oh i haven't even tried that ahaha

[fickle glen]

1k is

[vague prairie]

fodder is 2k on NA

[slow magnet]

must be nice, 2k is the fodder zone on NA lmao

[fickle glen]

yall need more gamblers

[pallid grotto]

thing is, on live server u have arctic blast (different 2)
and u can anicancel the RMB (this skill) with it and it still goes off all hits
that's why it's usable

here it's complete anilock and low dmg compared to main dps / loses u other skill counts that are more important vs dps gain

[vague prairie]

its negative ncoin to gamble

[fickle glen]

just hit it

[slow magnet]

no thats the problem, we have more gamblers

[fickle glen]

???

[slow magnet]

and they are buying the purple fodders

at 2k

so the prices dont drop

[pallid grotto]

i'd say 1.2-1.5 on EU

[fickle glen]

do eu and na share divine

[slow magnet]

no

[fickle glen]

like live

shame

[slow magnet]

seen a legendary book hit market a few times already lol

[pallid grotto]

i dun want shared market with NA, they gonna push prices even more

[fickle glen]

how much was it

[slow magnet]

they got screwed so it was

like 160k

[fickle glen]

market is different

[pallid grotto]

it would just inflate ours

with their prices

[slow magnet]

at the same time you make more gems off item sales

so

[pallid grotto]

not essentially

it's still a gamba

[slow magnet]

I mean off dungeon drops etc

[sharp grotto]

they do

[pallid grotto]

skills u find today at 5k can be 10k form tomorrow on cause nobody else selling

[vague prairie]

whats your fodder blue book cost?

[sharp grotto]

only on old ncsoft accounts

new accs cant do that

[pallid grotto]

blue books go around 250-280 avg

[fickle glen]

oh

[slow magnet]

huh really hmm

[sharp grotto]

yes

[vague prairie]

no i mean on EU

[fickle glen]

thats funny

[pallid grotto]

this is EU

[vague prairie]

ah so its same as NA

weird

[pallid grotto]

sometimes u find em at 220-250 but rarely

currently some for 240 around that

they will keep dropping for sure

2-3 weeks ago was around 290

i stalk them almost daily so i can tell 😄

[slow magnet]

how much are kaari essence

on EU

[glacial pine]

2

[tranquil prawn]

2.2

[slow magnet]

oh about the same

[vague prairie]

EU kaari prices are not stable

there's ~10 people that buy 5-10K each night

to gamba roll via macro while sleeping

[slow magnet]

thats me literally right now

[vague prairie]

[pallid grotto]

best thing to do, get purple cards and fuse rng

literally

[slow magnet]

you need kaari

cuz the mushin attendant cards

are purple fuse fail only

[pallid grotto]

i heard KR ppl save up kaari cards for laby fuse

[slow magnet]

cannot be fused from blues

[vague prairie]

every purple card is fuse fail only from MW pt 2

other than grandpa and bloodmane

[pallid grotto]

really?

[slow magnet]

yeah

[pallid grotto]

..

[slow magnet]

they are also not in the pity purple mileage box

[pallid grotto]

and maybe u get rngd and get a legy

😄

[vague prairie]

if it says heroic instead of just fuse portrait

it's purple>leg fail only

[pallid grotto]

zzz..

[slow magnet]

1 more card plsss

[vague prairie]

imagine having darkness mushin already

[pallid grotto]

is that set worth it?

[fickle glen]

its worth as

3 set

[pallid grotto]

i see better ones with mushin

[fickle glen]

bro just swap

[slow magnet]

thats

[fickle glen]

its not the mushin

its shadow

[slow magnet]

a different mushin

theres two now

lol

[pallid grotto]

i didn't bother ngl

lmao

[slow magnet]

This mushin is only used in this set

[vague prairie]

yeah that set is one of the best for this patch w/o needing jinsoyun or master hong

watching KR people farm leg fails for jinsoyun

[slow magnet]

that feel when you fuse 5 kaaris into a

BAY LEE

[pallid grotto]

how many purple cards did u get / purple per how many essences avg?

[vague prairie]

everyone loves to see more chef and baylee

[pallid grotto]

i'm at like 300 per purple

[vague prairie]

it's 1 in 500

on average

[slow magnet]

Average is 500 per purple, im hitting about that amount

[pallid grotto]

hmm ok

[slow magnet]

sometimes i go 1k without one

sometimes i go 400 and get like 3

[pallid grotto]

got 5 cards in 1.5k essences yet

[vague prairie]

and if you are fusing leg cards, you are going to hit law of very large numbers

[slow magnet]

problem is inventory size

[vague prairie]

and get exactly 1 in 500

[fickle glen]

just whale for the slots

smh

[slow magnet]

i have max slots

like 1.5k, maybe 2k essence and your inventory is full

[pallid grotto]

bottom lines all 30g ea?

[slow magnet]

i think so iirc

[pallid grotto]

or getting more expensive

ok

[slow magnet]

its not that bad ive made worse decisions

[pallid grotto]

gamba on purple books to get trash

for example

hehe

[slow magnet]

tapping virtous soul badge enhances

very bad

[pallid grotto]

300 hp for 35g per click

[fickle glen]

its so fkin bad

[pallid grotto]

avg 8-10% progress bar

[fickle glen]

idk why

[pallid grotto]

yep that one

[fickle glen]

I hope we get vt badges one day

[pallid grotto]

u think we can upgrade ours into new ones then?

[slow magnet]

Not this one

[pallid grotto]

at +10

[slow magnet]

It specifically says cannot

[pallid grotto]

soulbadge tho?

[slow magnet]

I hope....

[pallid grotto]

would make sense

maybe u can this one too

exchange with a drop token or something on npc

btw does anyone know

additional DMG applicator is lessened than flat skill dmg on higher level bosses?
fm seems to be "weaker" on same level even with enough accu, my assumption is cause bb half dmg comes from "additional dmg"
aside of higher boss defenses

tl;dr ice / dragonchar performs better

[tranquil prawn]

bb is just dogwater

[slow magnet]

Should not be you can check act damage logs though

[tranquil prawn]

[pallid grotto]

i mean i see it during combat

my bb does 18-20k instead of 32k on for example baylee

[slow magnet]

Bay Lee is lower level

[pallid grotto]

a lil much loss

[slow magnet]

And Blood Mane / Hae mujin have high defense

[pallid grotto]

yep but me & bm in party parse same on baylee

but he is 3-4k ahead in new dungs

same level

same accu, i got way more piercing even

[frank canopy]

Yeah char loses less dmg i think, also needs less accuracy

[slow magnet]

What are you hitting on blood mane?

Dps

[pallid grotto]

around 25-27 max

avg 25 ish

dummy parse 38

😄

[slow magnet]

Seems about right

[pallid grotto]

missing a little "too much"
he hits 29k tho

dummy 37

funny

[slow magnet]

The dummy isn't very accurate for damage numbers

[pallid grotto]

that's why we chose baylee but they both at lv45

i mean it'll fix once we both hit 53/54 but i think additional dmg applies less on higher level than other modifier stuff

and bb relies on it hard

[sharp grotto]

wait smth isnt right

[slow magnet]

Idr bm skills but class with innate crit bonuses will be affected less

[pallid grotto]

that's my core statement

[sharp grotto]

u parse lower than me on dummy

but i dont do 28k on mujin

[pallid grotto]

nono not mujin, mane

[sharp grotto]

ah

do u have someone that tanks for you?

[slow magnet]

You are losing a chunk of your crit

[pallid grotto]

yes i got a tank

[slow magnet]

Due to level

[sharp grotto]

i see

nobody is able to tank for me i always end up getting agro

[pallid grotto]

i guess simply not critting + additional dmg not hitting as hard = result

[slow magnet]

Classes that have crit bonuses are not affected as much by this, as their bonuses are not affected

[pallid grotto]

i always gear up equally to my tank

and delay engage 10-15s

then i can comfy dps

😄

[sharp grotto]

even if i delay 30seconds

[tranquil prawn]

mane i also end up with around 24kish

[slow magnet]

For example I have 4.4k crit stat on FM and a BD in my party with 3.2k crit stat is hitting higher crit % than me on blood mane.

[sharp grotto]

char has such insane burst that if the aggro resetsonce during fight

ill get it

[pallid grotto]

fms cursed on crit i see haah

[slow magnet]

But on baylee I will out crit them

[sharp grotto]

they just need to give FM a crit buff skill

[slow magnet]

Because my stat gives a higher crit rate

And their flat crit % bonuses is the same

[slow magnet]

I mean technically we do.

[tranquil prawn]

you mean bb should be buffed a bit to be on the same lvl as dragonchar

[sharp grotto]

just give FM blue buff and we good

[slow magnet]

Windstorm

[sharp grotto]

aint no way anyone using windstorm

[slow magnet]

And our crit % damage buff

Is on purple blazing wall

[sharp grotto]

fm has another cdmg buff on korea

veil

10%

1min cd

not enough tho

[slow magnet]

Do they?

[sharp grotto]

yes

new skill

[slow magnet]

Let me check kr skills

[sharp grotto]

it came out few weeks ago

[opal bolt]

Anyone here selling Purple char

Or giving it for free it's fine as well

[slow magnet]

I see it but this looks kinda bad ngl

[sharp grotto]

yes all the new FM skills

are bad

we got shafted

[slow magnet]

It might be a damage up but like

Eh

10 seconds of that buff and you give up stacking another 2 skill book

The net gain is probably minimal

Over the course of the minute during the 50 second downtime.

[sharp grotto]

just give us BB

and we chillin

[slow magnet]

Just put on frost sheet and we chillin

Might try the purple blazing wall though lol

[sharp grotto]

blazing wall is a dmg gain

but u need play melee

[slow magnet]

Does the crit damage % stack?

[sharp grotto]

blazing wall purple deals around same dmg as fiendfire if ure using meteor badge

yes

[slow magnet]

Like 5x?

[sharp grotto]

yes

[slow magnet]

I'm logging back in to buy it right now

[sharp grotto]

lol

[slow magnet]

I'm reporting you if I got scammed

[sharp grotto]

all the top fms use blazing wall in moonwater

im gonna use it when i get 3 slot belt

@tranquil prawn inveted it

[slow magnet]

On ice build though?

[sharp grotto]

there is no top fm with ice

[tranquil prawn]

and i dont even play it atm cause i need to stay ranged on new bosses xd

[sharp grotto]

yea

[tranquil prawn]

but it is a slight dps increase overall

[sharp grotto]

its bad on farming dungs

on wb its good

[slow magnet]

I'm FM tanking hae mujin I can use it

[sharp grotto]

with meteor badge u can keep up the cdmg buff way longer

if u manage it well

[slow magnet]

Does it stack 10x?

If you double wall

[sharp grotto]

no

5x max

it refreshes

each hit

so u use wall>wait it to go around 20s cd>use fiendfire 1x>use wall>use fiendfire to put cd down

and u gain double the uptime

lets say when u get legendary ice rain

u want to go meteor badge

for that tech

[slow magnet]

so itll be like

10% crit damage

additive though with your current crit damage %?

or is it multiplicative to your damage

[tranquil prawn]

im not 100% sure anymore but i dont think it stacks

its just 2% thats it

you dont even feel it

[tranquil prawn]

just the raw dmg from wall is better compared to shower

[slow magnet]

scam attempt detected

[sharp grotto]

wdym it goes up to 5%?

i mean 5x

i see it on the icon