does it not work on dummy
#Blade Master
odd dagger
odd dagger
what if i use 65 dummy with my 59 twink
vernal dust
try with the lowest of the lows
like if you have 8k sf alt
give him hp. defense, and aaalll defensive stats that give sf
make him go 10k+ but without more ap
you will see a measurable damage increase
astral tendon
I mean defensive stats increase damage for a lot of classes like def/hp and those are fix damage so it’s actually noticeable when with sh1t gear
Don’t think is accurate
Unless you test specific on bm, who use block, without increase any block
vernal dust
the test methodology is not studied yet
astral tendon
Or on sin without increasing evasion
vernal dust
but the higher the force the higher the dps (regardles of what stat gave you the sf) is real
astral tendon
Those would be easier to avoid
vernal dust
yea for fair comparison
for example on thunderstike boss
we get 100% crit rate on all skills
correct?
vernal dust
the 100% crit wb anyway
i join it with 23k sf. and only crit damage card sets
i finish the run at 230k dps 100% crit on my skills(according to calculations of a friend)
5 days later same boss, i join with crit rate% card sets and same ap and lower crit dmg by 8%
odd dagger
i dunno
maybe rng
1st was 30.4k sf
2nd was 29k sf
vernal dust
i am at 25.7k SF and finished 280k dps(according to that same friend)
there is no rng when you have 100% crit bruh
its 100% , .. like every time same time
gilded thistle
does this game have crit % variance ?
vernal dust
does this game have crit % variance ?
a friend that inspected me has it
odd dagger
its a 2min parse on floor 42 boss
gilded thistle
I mean, on the damage of the attack
vernal dust
how much force and what did you remove to achieve it
valid cradle
I mean, on the damage of the attack
There's some randomness involved in every hit
vernal dust
I mean, on the damage of the attack
the variance is less than 4%
gilded thistle
i see okay
vernal dust
maybe 42 too low for you? or tower buffs impact
gilded thistle
our numbers are not big enough to really affect the overall by the variance anyway
maybe the triple ct boom
but thats w/e
vernal dust
i mean if you check the ppl around you, the ones you know for sure play the game honestly
you do some content together
hearty ether
i think it matters which stat u upgraded to get the SF though
but obviously more sf = more dps cause higher overall stats no?
vernal dust
you will see that 100% of the time the higher SF is the higher dps (Same class ofc)
valid cradle
Sounds like youve never run into people with skill issues
vernal dust
even tho crit dmg and ap may be lower
odd dagger
definitely not 100%
hearty ether
wb probably not the best to test at either cuz u might have runs where u get hit by aoe more than another run
vernal dust
skill isue xd
hearty ether
i definitely suck at the game so idk but ya
odd dagger
i can try the test again with my lvl 54 alt
vernal dust
then use only defensive stats ss that has more hp dawncrest
vernal dust
to get double force
odd dagger
clearly crit rate doesnt magically go up
so it has to be on hit dmg
13.5k sf
and 11.8k sf
odd dagger
Those would be easier to avoid
it doesnt really matter cause the overlay one considers those are separate lines.
so u can straight up hold down slasher and only get accurate value of base dmg hits will appear on highest hit.
But unequip crit dmg mantra
astral tendon
uh ok havent use overlay for ages
2 mins max hit seems like the same
maybe force different too small
odd dagger
idk how its even possible to test, cause u cant be having soo much difference in sf without having something significant
silver moth
Magic the way u want, but i never see anyone can hit 3 rot lb-tab-rb per sec on punc, even on dummy
Even with cn tech
Dark wl and wind bd get some faster a little bit, but punc seem not work
fickle salmon
Magic the way u want, but i never see anyone can hit 3 rot lb-tab-rb per sec on ...
yeah idk how 3 is gonna work, max ive seen was 2,5 you cant just 0 the gc there is still limits
drifting crow
you are sure yapping bs too
but thats the case with 99% of this server here anyway ive noticed
the only classes that actually benefits a lot from what you call "magic" is wind bd, earth sum and lancer"
the rest can at most mimic 1ms with it
and there is a server check u moron
drifting crow
2,25 lmb/s is about 10% more than vanilla no?
looks a lot to me
i mean more than what is possible with a skill having 500 ms global cooldown
silver moth
Maybe cuz lancer already bullsh*t
My friend have gcd tech from speed tech, he already test on lancer, it not really stable, so he say not worth to use
drifting crow
for wl its only on their rmbs and it makes it not that much faster
its not stable because auto bias exists
u cant turn that of
silver moth
For dark wl, it really good cuz more faster rmb cast, more 4 cast
drifting crow
it doesnt work on 4
silver moth
But overall, dps increase just about 5~10%
silver moth
it doesnt work on 4
No, i mean cast rmb faster mean less time wait orb for 4
silver moth
About wind bd, i don't know how it work
drifting crow
for wind bd its only on their rmb
silver moth
Maybe less delay between RMB and F
drifting crow
yes
silver moth
drifting crow
15-20% faster
silver moth
Same case for sunflower, but less efficient
silver moth
Cuz some time u get more 1-2 hit, weird bcs not every time it work
drifting crow
auto bias is a btch sometimes
at the end of the day sf summoner, wind bd and lancer profit the most
followed by ice and then shadow wl
for the other classes it only works on bs skill
like sin on bombard
winged reef
Holy yapping
BM chat reached 100k+ message months ago and none of the other classes has gotten there yet
primal hound
I still use my ahk puncture macro from last year when puncture first became obtainable, you just need to ensure the 121/121 cyclone/lunar slash hit amount per min which is pretty much the max amount of hits you can do within 60s
can probably still track that in a 3rd party app i can't name here or my msg's get deleted
anywhere between 119-120 is very good
121 if u really want to have the most optimal
but the main issue is tweeking your delay's according to your ping
unreal oriole
I'll have to take a look if I end up swapping off of HS
I'ma roll 2 books today and see what I get
primal hound
I went from puncture->hs->lancer
then made a puncture alt and i legit miss it so much and lancer is boring the fk out of me
sure hs has the qol for stuff like msp,tower,aoe,range
but puncture animation, sound, crit rate just feels so much better imo
hearty ether
but puncture animation, sound, crit rate just feels so much better imo
wish we had the class change still i wouldve swapped to puncture too knowing what KR gets now 
primal hound
we actually always knew puncture was the top skill for dps
it just wasn't by much due to how low our stats and gear were
now that we are scaling and they're buffing basically everyclass to come close to at least 90% of lancers dps
it's starting to reappear
this game is just so taxing, any swap build change or w.e requires like an arm and a leg
i've played a lot of mmo's and online games but this one takes the cake for the insane p2w lol
hearty ether
it really does for end game content yeah
serene crypt
eap, a lot of mistakes we have. Let's see skill rebild and how muth new(old players) come here. If nobody come, game will be dead.
Hope game be alive again)
wooden rain
nah let it die so we can have BnS:Neo:Re
fickle salmon
they are fixing the puncture dc issue i heard 
gonna be equal to dl with the buff and magic ofc
hushed briar
only loser use magic
elfin fossil
they are fixing the puncture dc issue i heard <:joe_cool:1299404978917736498>
Nah they didn't say they remove the packet limit
they will just increase it so you don't DC during movement
fickle salmon
i doubt they will increase it that marginal that you cant up the numbers with magic, 130/min will probably still work
odd tree
ye 131 was the max with chinese magic almost a year ago, with no dc who knows what they have cooked up now.
fallow wind
fire bm still good ?
uneven kernel
good except Tower and Lunar, no aoe
draw stance builds have native +5% crit chance, +20% crit dmg
and DT build is as simple that you dont need to be macro/xml slave
ofc still worse overall than HS
hushed briar
Tower is ok just clear it once and its easy
but msp just fuckings sucks
I get aids everytime
uneven kernel
i wish DT will get 3m around aoe like in live, will be really nice build
serene crypt
i wish DT will get 3m around aoe like in live, will be really nice build
1st reason why i change build to HS in start sliverfrost)
summer nebula
As BD what is better 2% crit dmg or 8% crit rate ?
Dont we have like 100% crit rate anyway ?
valid cradle
Are you sure thats the order you meant
Deciding between 2% crit and 8% crit dmg seems far more likely
summer nebula
nah salacia 2% crit dmg
valid cradle
I dont really know enough about BD
summer nebula
thinking about my next card goal. Replacing Talus Army Oath with Mortal Enemies and Hidden Appearance
valid cradle
But I would be very surprised if the crit dmg% is better
summer nebula
me too but yet idk. Crit dosent seem a problem for BD
valid cradle
From what I remember seeing a friend have it was high but not high enough to not benefit at all from +8%
hearty ether
rat talk in BM channel 
silver moth
summer nebula
@hearty ether just. Noticed i used the wrong channel weird no one noticed
gilded thistle
Good times
silk beacon
serene crypt
If do like trump, I'm afraid that the BNS will definitely collapse.)))
fallow wind
Good times
u still bm?
fickle vortex
I was considering if TDS build should use bladecall or not, but it looks better to take it off. It simplies rotation more and bit higher dps
174GS TDS vs 156GS TDS & blade call
vernal dust
if you impliment it correctly in the rotation (bcs its awkward to use kinda) then its a boost, especially with the incomming buffs making BD effect add x8 ratio dmg
up from x2.75 currently
you open bladecall after you used all bd efect from doing -> 4-tab-tab (total should be 12.5sec with purple tab or 14.5sec with 48leggy tab)
so it goes like 4-tab-tab-v-tab-x-tab-.....
if you use bladecall while 4 is available its a loss
practice it a bit and then when buffs hit it will be even better
fickle vortex
I was thinking as sane your way at first, but it seems not after I use through. Reality seems different.
vernal dust
i was having the same precautions as you
until i was able to do perfect bladecall timings that kept me rotating high dps for longer in real content
parses on dummy show small gains but in not high crit bosses and bosses that jump away like mao.....
fickle vortex
I was using bladecall whenever all BD trigger skill was down, but dmg increase gain from putting one more tds did slightly higher dps over all
Not on dummy
Spamming through machi
vernal dust
if you have gigacrits then the difference is small
fickle vortex
Thats how I ended up so. It is just 4~5sec bd buff every 1 min
vernal dust
maybe then wait for buff
the bd dps gain will be hotter
i dont have only leggy tds so maybe my opinion is irrelevant
fickle vortex
It was just better I f block instead of spending time on v more likely. Or hit without bd
vernal dust
i just traded a purple for a bladecall
fickle vortex
Yeah its just my opinion after I ran machi 40~50+ times with my BM while switching skills
winged reef
u still bm?
What are you doing here
fickle vortex
i dont have only leggy tds so maybe my opinion is irrelevant
for TDS build, TDS can be geared upto 174GS as max. If 192GS TDS, putting bladecall might be better. However, 174GS is the maximum books I can put due to min build
vernal dust
you have the x3 tabs right?
fickle vortex
vernal dust
maybe since your stats high the 9% tds dmg is bigger than 6 sec of 2.8bd modif
so if you dont drop stance out of focus and good crit
the leggy tds is bigger
as i said i just dropped a purple
the benefit of blade call in math
is more BD uptime total by 9 seconds per V cd and 2seconds faster stone slash cooldown per minute
if done properly your stoneslash cd is back before you run out of bd
without bladecall you will find yourselft with 3-5sec cd on stoneslash after the first full rotation
or maybe thats without 48gm tab so correct me if m wrong
harsh belfry
is more BD uptime total by 9 seconds per V cd and 2seconds faster stone slash co...
isnt it 12s more black dragon since V and X are 6s each ?
vernal dust
X is available on the no book version aswell 😛
9 is from V->tab-> X
6from v +3 from tab before x
harsh belfry
ahh i see
fickle vortex
more BD gets more dmg. since 48 GS TDstroke, it has good chain effect with Stone Slash so (1 sec cd reduction). more BD always good. However, pure TDS dmg itself is good. It needs to be checked carefully between putting more BD buff or increase TDS itself
My BM is around 36~37k, and 174GD on TDS gave me slightly higher dps and easier rotation as well.
Bladecall requires me to save TDstroke or Q, so sometimes it already wastes some effects. (For example, instead of 6 sec BD from bladecall, I can only use like 4sec+ after v and q)
fallow wind
@winged reef waiting for lightning buff
silver moth
fire buff when?
harsh belfry
fire buff when?
June 10th in korea
harsh belfry
Idk how accurate the yast changes are
