Blade Master

[astral tendon]

Lightning just get higher mutiplier

[rocky bolt]

~27500sf

And blade call is just straight up ass compared to flock right?

[astral tendon]

Hs does not reduce blade call cd

[rocky bolt]

Okay so useless

No tab books either I assume for hs

Seems more of a puncture/tds thing

[astral tendon]

Sun stroke can be used

[rocky bolt]

Sun stroke over thunder drake stroke?

[astral tendon]

Is 6 sec bd vs 3

The other effects of tab are useless

[rocky bolt]

The focus recovery?

[astral tendon]

Hs shouldn’t have focus issue

[rocky bolt]

Or am I just not gonna run out of focus

[astral tendon]

Even if you have just use purple flock

[rocky bolt]

Fair

Purple flock and if needed purple soaring

[astral tendon]

Purple flock would be all you need

[rocky bolt]

Okay okay

[astral tendon]

You’d be fine even with 0% crit

[rocky bolt]

Thank you ❤️

Very insightful

[wind merlin]

honed is nice for extra 6 sec BD buff and max boost

you`ll find keeping max boost in dungeons is supper anoying

[astral tendon]

Realistically is only there for the bd uptime

Max boost you will never or should never use honed slash purely for that

Since you have free e from draw stance for max boost anyway

[winged reef]

Only saw your friend request in SE from 3 months ago a few days when I logged in

[gilded thistle]

That adventure didn't last long, had nobody to guide me, so many things I had never seen before

[winged reef]

There are lots of npcs but everything was super simplified, you just do dungeons that match your tier and work up from there

Might play some again next month when I get better internet

[astral tendon]

SE?

I thought you just farm peaches, exchange everything up to raid then quit

Cos you are not gonna raid without gm carry

And gm carry can fail

[gilded thistle]

[astral tendon]

And you can afk farm peaches, just stand on a mob spawn points hold rmb for simplified rotation

At least that’s how it is last time I played

[winged reef]

Everything changed last year, no peaches it’s just dungeon farming

And raids for like weapon and badges

[astral tendon]

and afaik the raid is vt nowadays with buffed stats

[winged reef]

It's the IA raid right now, but you'd still need the others for previous tiers

[astral tendon]

one day BnS can have those client including ai bots like wow

So you can raid by yourself

Offline

Tbh wow AI bots are better than a lot of players

[wind merlin]

Haha lol

[covert cedar]

Which is the weakest spec here? Im switching to lightning bm

I want the lowest dps possible

[fickle vortex]

light bm isn't the lowest dps;;

go play wind bd

[analog yarrow]

pierce, not puncture. Only purple books

[fickle vortex]

Light BM case,
It has the highest burst atm ever since TDStroke is added.
Depends on how well you block and how well you trigger TDstroke during BD, it can be the highest dps or lowest build over all.

[covert cedar]

Nono within bm

[fickle vortex]

yeah within BM

if u don't block with "F" much to trigger BD (black dragon), it will be the lowest dps

[covert cedar]

Skill effect is purple

I see gotta fish for boss attacks

[fickle vortex]

yeah it really depends on F block atm

leg TDstroke made it harder, but put higher dps potential

[covert cedar]

Ok

[fickle vortex]

stupid thing is this. If boss doesn't have blockable attack much, it is the lowest build over all BM builds.
If the boss has lots of blockable attacks, it would be the highest dps over all.
The number of TDstroke and TDstroke within BD buff will impact over all dps.

you will have fun XD

it will be stronger than fire kfm

[covert cedar]

Definitely lmao

[honest haven]

ok but honed slash its such nice QoL and lets you keep almost 100% bd uptime, even if I lose 6 stacks for it I can't remove it anymore feels so gud

[odd dagger]

Well its not qol, cause being in bdr doesnt do anything for the way you play.

Its just more dmg

U are losing a Q to use honed slash

Making it a negative qol

[honest haven]

it is QoL because bigger number makes me feel good

imagine holding rmb and doing 40% less dmg than you could

disgusting

[astral tendon]

We have different definitions of QoL

I never heard anyone refer Neo class skill number changes qol changes

[azure moth]

how do i obtain leg skill book from class change ?

[wooden rain]

It's a qol change, it reduces your brain degradation speed by introducing one more thing to do

[mystic crystal]

Heavenly slash Is ping friendly? I have 120ms

[odd dagger]

yes

[somber kiln]

@primal hound yo

[fickle vortex]

I still have focus issue little bit with puncture 😭

maybe spec issue

[astral tendon]

how, puncture suppose to have 100% crit

[fickle vortex]

😭

my gear is low

[astral tendon]

And is + 1 on every combo if tab crit

[fickle vortex]

or maybe my combo isn't working precisely

[astral tendon]

Maybe if you are skipping some lmb to tab

[fickle vortex]

any well known macro?

[astral tendon]

there is the Chinese technology or that Vietnam ahk stuff around in the past

[fickle vortex]

aha

[astral tendon]

But that read combat log for crit detection

Don’t think it’s needed nowadays

Ahk would still be better probably since it only press when skill is available

Compare to mouse macro when your action can desync with the key press

[odd dagger]

think u will still need falcon

dont u only hit like 80-85% on puncture on end game

there is slight focus loss over time

[silk beacon]

senso was light for almost a day

i didnt feel alone for a bit

🙁

[odd dagger]

o he went puncutre now

[silk beacon]

y puncture seems pretty good rn

for what bm can do ofc

[odd dagger]

too bad, didnt get to see maxed lightning vs fire in wb

[astral tendon]

He already did less damage to raven king compare to last week

I guess you can swap build for free for a week

Well not free but he has sh1t tons of gold anyway

Maybe he will be fire tmr

[silk beacon]

i think puncture should be the best one rn

light is ass

its fun ye but thats it

[fickle salmon]

yeah i have 86% on machi lvl 77 and 13% cr from cards

[astral tendon]

get mantra and wb weapon, problem solved

86% is a lot lower than what i expected, i hit 63% with hs on raven king

Should be 90+ with puncture no?

[fickle salmon]

i mean you get 30% if you upkeep it all the time with the 10%lmb 10%punc 10%tab, so even IF you have it up all the time its 93%, so everything between 85-90% is normal i think

[covert cedar]

People called me crazy when puncture was ranked A tier

[odd dagger]

its still crazy

cause the other 2 in A tier is light BD and wind KFM

puncture is no where near that

[fickle salmon]

im doing same dps as light bd's with same sf~

[odd dagger]

that light bd might have some issues, no offense

how much is the dps though

cause 33k light bd in our pt does 470k

[fickle salmon]

on machi with summ maybe

[odd dagger]

no sum

[fickle salmon]

im doing 450~ with 33k sf and summ in party, theres no way he does 470 without summ

[odd dagger]

he do though

cause light bd is 20% stronger than bm

[fickle salmon]

ive run with penomeco, sephia, rillien idk

who is the bd ur talking about

[hybrid willow]

you are lolkornm right ?

[fickle salmon]

yes

[hybrid willow]

how can you do 450 where i do 460+ with hs build

punc do more normaly

[fickle salmon]

senso does 440~ without sum as punc

[odd dagger]

albin/pepik/optim?

[fickle salmon]

you have 1k sf more?

[hybrid willow]

you have 20% crit more ?

[odd dagger]

tats kinda irrelevent

cause puncture base modifier is much weaker

ideal puncture vs hs is barely different

puncture is "usable" thats about it. Its needs celestials to actually start pulling ahead.

[astral tendon]

That’s the normal dps with optimal
4 lfcdr per sec

[odd mantle]

puncture rotation is focus neutral when tab crits

-3 when it doesn't crit

[covert cedar]

So is it crazy or no

Low ping with CL

[odd dagger]

ideal counts assume low ping, with CL they are slightly better than the other spec, but in the end it still doesnt matter. cause KFM and BD are both superior Celestial users than BM

so the gap b/w bm and kfm/bd never gets smaller

perfect celestial puncture is 5% stronger than perfect hs

[covert cedar]

I would say lbd yeah cause technologia, wind kfm kinda ok

[silk beacon]

so why senso didnt stay light for more than 4 hours?

[covert cedar]

They still have to do searing palm which does not proc cl

[odd dagger]

well its more about how much u can buff cl

KFM has insanely high crit dmg and crit rate by default

[covert cedar]

Hmm i see

So if I run cl using fire then im getting some dps

[odd dagger]

definitely

fire also procs it faster than wind no?

well not the pulverize one

pure tiger

[covert cedar]

Fire is a lot slower than wind cause pulv is rtarded

[odd dagger]

bm rankings tonight pic plx

[dry bane]

pls no

[odd dagger]

traitor of DT

[dry bane]

I was so resilient before, but that new tower made me do it.
I'm not sure if HS is it, feels much worse in dungeon play.
Also missing my def down..

[odd dagger]

yea DT soo much better on dungeons

[dry bane]

Should have just ditched BM I guess

[hearty ether]

ooo u swapped to HS?

[dry bane]

I did yes. 6 days left to decide

[hearty ether]

BM is whack across the board, HS is only good for msp i feel like

otherwise DT is somehow way stronger cause of the add. dmg

[dry bane]

Yes, it was MSP and the Floor 44 farm that made me switch.

[silk beacon]

i feel like puncture is the one to go if u are done with msp

[astral tendon]

you still dc

if not carqfful

so idk

[dry bane]

Why was that again?

[gilded thistle]

Too many inputs

[dry bane]

I see.
So trying to reach max counts might DC you?
Is there no middle ground tech?

[gilded thistle]

You can have the max counts, you just need to limit your move and hold by a lot

[dry bane]

Hm wish I could try without spending 3k gold

[astral tendon]

with 30-50 ping apperently was fine

you can still dc if you intentionally try to dc by moving

i guess nowdays it would be fine ish.

tree, ssg and early day garden was sh1t, dc a lot, after that not many dungeon require you to running around a lot

[odd mantle]

i only ever dc'd on busy world bosses, 3-4 times

[astral tendon]

guess nowadays dungeons dont need a lot of running. raven king might be a bit crap but not many ppl wlll be there anyway

senso can experience it next week i guess

[silk beacon]

let us know the feeling

[astral tendon]

he already confirmed lightning vs raven king feel like aids

[silk beacon]

Ye well i know that myself 🤣

[silk beacon]

what are the max counts u can have with puncture?

[astral tendon]

a bit over 2

you can get to 130/min without magic with the chinese tech macro

125/min or so with the common ahk macro, but those are all in the pray to stay online range.

[silver moth]

U pray ur ping stay when playing punc

Btw tower make me wanna switch to HS, DT feel like sh*t on mobs floor

Any advice?

[astral tendon]

not from me, im at floor 0

[silver moth]

I thought just pick the buff aoe dmg when u jump can deal with it, turn out it a joke

[silk beacon]

thisone doesnt dc or what?

[astral tendon]

ofc it does dc.

you can dc with 110/min if you try hard enoughg

i.e just moving and turning camara all the time.

[silk beacon]

f

[tacit star]

I am in my book exchange period. Can generate unbound puncture, tab , stoneslash from trashbook, yours or mine. Let me know if someone WTB something. Of course has to be price above trash+taxes to make it worth...

[wind merlin]

any unbound book become bound when you use class change grace period

so there is that

[vernal dust]

unlucky

[tacit star]

yes and u can use that new bound to replace unbound which you already have and dont need to go higher, lets say above 48, And sell that unbound.

I know that diffrence between trash and real book is not big for BM but stil option.

[crimson solstice]

Hey all. I got a question. How bm dps(hs build) compare in dps vs ck kfm vs lighning bd?

[astral tendon]

Sh1t

[crimson solstice]

Sad 🙁

[torn grotto]

Yea, join sin instead (it's more artistic)

[crimson solstice]

no way i will be sin 😄 not my style 😄

[harsh belfry]

Dmg is a lot worse then wind kfm and lightning bd

But has some nice utility
Dt bm can give 12s of 50% def down with 36s cd
Heavenly has decent msp clearing

All bms have the best CC skill for raids
And hmb

[silver moth]

If our def down become fully uptime, that will be so good

But then no one play sum anymore

[astral tendon]

Then bm just become a sum with more damage and no healing

Tbh may not even be more damage if you go searing with non dt build

[harsh belfry]

I just wish sacred mustic badge wouldn't nerf dt compared to virtuos

[silver moth]

Well, searing only worth if no sum in team

[silk beacon]

Summ def red is still way better than dt one so why bother with it

[silver moth]

I thought both is 50%

[silk beacon]

Its like

25% if im not wrong

[odd dagger]

its 50 with 18 gm

[harsh belfry]

Summs has 100% uptime while Searing has 24s of downtime

[silk beacon]

11s every 36s

[harsh belfry]

With 18gm its 50%

[odd dagger]

its 13 sec no?

lingers extra 3 sec after last hit

[silver moth]

13 sec

[silk beacon]

Or that

Still so bad

[harsh belfry]

3s duration refreshed every hit of searing resulting in 12s to 13s

[ember cave]

it would be nice if they just add the time extending of tab to searing as well

[odd dagger]

most of the time its good enough

to cover burst windows

[harsh belfry]

It would have been nice if sun stroke would have gotten a leg version like the other tabs

[silver moth]

Just delete BM and release SF

[harsh belfry]

I mean its on machi during his mech you can put it twice during it for the entire duration

[odd dagger]

bm is just jack of trades. can do everything jst good enuff.

[silver moth]

Make me feel like muticlass on BG3

Half of my clan switch to DL

[odd dagger]

ngl, low sf dl swappers are so useless.

[harsh belfry]

I also like that you can actually kinda mess up on bm compared to light bd where you would have to try hard to make any mistakes

[harsh belfry]

All the sirs and kings swapped to it and are farming yeti right now

[odd dagger]

nc winning

making the sirs pay them

[harsh belfry]

Its 9 gold per day per char all sirs and k8ngs are happy XD

[primal hound]

i've tried so many bm macros in the past, nothing beats the one I personally tuned for my ping using ahk

perfect 121 cyclone/tab per mine everytime

[fickle vortex]

Sweet. I went tds lol

[upbeat root]

I have a question my brother did the new warrior box thing and it gave him heavenly slasher books but he was a dragon tongue is there a way to convert them over? or anything if possible
hes saying he needs legendary stone slasher or eles runs out of mana too fast but he just started so getting a legendary book is kind of not on the radar so just curious if there was a to swithc them over to dragon tongue any input is appreciated

[vernal dust]

no these are random gift boxes , you cant select what you need nor convert them at will. the only way is with event partitipation

but even that gives you a random book again that might be even more useless

[fickle vortex]

🙂 happy

[silver moth]

What u dps on wolf?

[harsh belfry]

The blue books are slashers while purple ones are selectors

[vernal dust]

these cant be changed at all

[astral tendon]

time to voice up

even tho is useless

idk what are they asking

[silk beacon]

thanks man

[tacit star]

Lunar slash is not terrible, just not good enough

doubt any developer gonna read this "social experiment" though

[silver moth]

No, it horrible, both tab

Nothing change other up scale

Trash

[odd dagger]

it mean its like a solid 3/5

it didnt change the meta but made puncture on par with other specs again

[tacit star]

its actually amazing how they manage to keep so many specs equally bad

[odd dagger]

whoever in their QA is responsible for testing BM knows what they are doing

but his job probably ends at testing how good are each spec in relative to each to other

[tacit star]

he has no permissions for other classes

[astral tendon]

they only need to solve the puncture dc issue

Then you will see at least some puncture bm do 2x dps compare to dl

Maybe more

[unreal oriole]

what skill books are needed for a heavenly slasher build?

[odd dagger]

slashere flock of blades

[unreal oriole]

stone slash?

[odd dagger]

do u have legendary books

[unreal oriole]

2

[odd dagger]

then no

1 stone slash purple , sunstroke purple

[unreal oriole]

what would be my second legendary?

[odd dagger]

slasher

[analog yarrow]

U need 2 leg stone slash minimum for 10s bd buff. If you have 2 books then best bet is to put them all in hs

[unreal oriole]

o gotcha TY

[analog yarrow]

156 hs then 48 stone slash then honed slash I assume this is the right order

[silk beacon]

are u on crack nanaya

bm x2 dps over DL?

[hearty ether]

even if stone slash had a 5 sec cooldown BM wouldnt do more dmg than DL

[odd dagger]

2x would need 5.2 punctures per sec

[astral tendon]

i already see 3+ combo per sec live on screen

and thats clearly not the maximum you can get

[odd dagger]

i think u are still capped by animation speed

[astral tendon]

no

well yeah

but puncutre animation is fast

and damage comes out without really seeing the animation

is not the situation of hs

5 maybe not, but 3 is defintely not the limit

the tw guy showed me never bothered to tune it further cos you dc anyway.

[astral tendon]

tbh with stone slash perma up we have an arguement there.

it might actually be better than dl.

[hearty ether]

the thought of having to iframe each time though

[astral tendon]

in excahnge you can get rid of sun storke, and honed slash if you have one

more books, perma bd perma cr and cd buff.

[silver moth]

Nah, even on TW nobody play punc anymore

[hearty ether]

cause they all swapped to DL

[silver moth]

Before that, everyone swap to HS, no aoe for msp and tower is really torture

[tacit star]

48 SS and barakal SC and i have more than enough aoe for all content. Not saying its on par with HS, but far from torture. And all this minmaxing for BM feels like blaming paraolympionic runner to have not optimal running shoes. Its obvious this class and maybe even this game is just enjoy whatever u want to play, there will be no meta for long...

[silver moth]

I doubt about kfm

[wind merlin]

Kfm is a torture in tower. Wish I cleared before switching xD

[silver moth]

My friend say he can clear mobs floor with Comet

Hit and run, waiting EQ Ss cd to get evasion buff

[astral tendon]

i mean if you change build to a degree than yeah is ok.

fire kfm can also probably beat it no problem

[odd mantle]

when we get to 100% crit the build will be lightning draw lunar slash 🔥

[gilded thistle]

yup

[golden sedge]

Hi can someone enlighten me if Legendary Thunder Drake stroke is worth on HS build or is it only for tds build

[odd dagger]

Only tds.

actually maybe u are on to something

instead of using sunstroke, might be better to use tds?

and always do V tab X E

or nah, the ap multipliers are too small to matter

TDS GM effects must be one of the weakest there is.

[unreal oriole]

is the rotataion for HS V4E then Vtab E?

or is there something else?

i guess you could V Q X E inbetween 4 and tab Black dragon effects

[wind merlin]

@odd mantlei`d believe once upon a time in live LD was 100% crit on stunned or dazed / grabbed targets

would`ve been so op here

thing was doing like 200k in pvp with 1600ap and shaite gear

[silver moth]

I don't remember that

[astral tendon]

Idk I know bd have massive multipler on lightning draw on kd target , to a point where if you are airborne by bd, they press 4 on you while you just land cos it counts as kd you get one shot in equalised gear arena

[silver moth]

But i was thought 4 pen def deflect skill

[astral tendon]

bm lightning draw were never good, when it was good it was with fire and the searing slash equivalent

[silver moth]

I never use LD, it feel so weird

[wooden rain]

Excuse you

In arena when bsh came out with the book you could crit for up to 10k iirc which was massive

[harsh belfry]

I remember in live getting stuned blade call into air into ld and dying

[silver moth]

Same for BD except they just need air into LD into FS and u dead if both crit

[wind merlin]

@astral tendonthere is no pvp in neo otherwise LD is hella good. I had 1600 ap and 2 shotting mobs in MSP and i tested on Sour with him beng full pvp gear... it did something stupid like 200k without any gear at all. At the current state of the game , 48 points on LD would 1 tap people if crit

[silk beacon]

not rly

coz u do more or less same dmg with stone slash with the badges

and LD doesnt get soulbadge efect

[silver moth]

true

[wind merlin]

@silk beaconcheck LD bonuses on CC target

nowhere near Stone Slash dmg

[silver moth]

ofcourse LD still beat SS if crit on 48 stack

[wind merlin]

with 1600ap was doing 300ish crits on lvl 70 mobs back in december

i was pleb bm on puncture and it was proper struggle in msp, 2 of the 4 rng books from hajoon were LD and i made a set for MSP with it , it was kinda fun ... until LD doesn't crit xD

[lyric pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgXLm4gtAfg

tank

[gilded thistle]

peak

[lyric pecan]

can peacefully touch grass now. achievement for puncture complete

[odd dagger]

wats ur stats

[fickle vortex]

Proo

[wind merlin]

@lyric pecansome bms in eu swapped stone slash for 3 more tabs

i wonder if its huge diff

stone slash seems to not do much for puncture

[lyric pecan]

i did that

and swapped back to stone

it's slightly more dps on paper.

[wind merlin]

@lyric pecani mean the 6 sec burst it was lovely when i was on HS but the CD didn't cut it really. However on HS at least you get updated BD buff on 30gm

puncture doesnt feel like benefiting much from it...6 sec joy for 36 sec cd is kinda cringe

[lyric pecan]

the intial burst is huge. esp if you want to tank with 120% threat. also helpful with aoe mobs. eventually if you get ct, you can use it before ct procs, just an idea.

[hearty ether]

[gilded thistle]

Oh god, draw stance

[silver moth]

Ew, 9s BD

[silk beacon]

9 secs BD EFECT

NINE

SECONDS

NINE

9

[silver moth]

Good for HS

And... Lightning? Maybe

[silk beacon]

devs are completly dumb

[silver moth]

Atp i don't think they even play game

[harsh belfry]

could be great depends on GM effects

[silver moth]

Idk but one of GMs definitely is just "deal x%ap on hit"

Trash

[odd dagger]

more bd is more time to hit with stacking DT

and more BD is more BD from gm effect BD stacking

so its like 12 sec of DT with full stack.

[hearty ether]

i dont think sun stroke leggy comes with GM effects from what it looks like

but its 3~sec of extra dmg i guess, good for DT & HS

[astral tendon]

It does not help the fire rotation

It helps on damage to a degree depends on boss

Kinda meh

[harsh belfry]

We dont know that
Also makes no sense release the other tabs with gm effects and sun stroke not

[astral tendon]

Is not like fire has trouble with rotation I guess

[harsh belfry]

Only time if boss moves a lot

[gilded thistle]

Man why they keep pushing all these skills and pierce is rotting at the bottom of the mariana trench

[hearty ether]

oh yeah tahts true since sun stroke tab cd is reduced per hit anyway

[harsh belfry]

Is there a diff in pierce and puncture ?

[gilded thistle]

Bd

And pierce has no leggy version

[odd dagger]

it probably has gm effects

the FM wild fire would make no sense without gm effects just goes from a 2.6x ap 4.2x ap burn applier

[astral tendon]

Maybe just more trash book

To fck the new players

Cos why not

[harsh belfry]

main thing is the skills arent in KR files yet cause other wise the leak wouldnt have them in Chinese

[astral tendon]

More money from book rerolling

Yast has it

Which means is in kr file

[valid cradle]

Yast does not have them as far as I can see

[astral tendon]

This is Yast

[silver moth]

The think is, DT got max stack too fast

[valid cradle]

Nothing on FMs side

[harsh belfry]

you have to search the ID specificaly which might not be the full picture

[silver moth]

So 6s buff or 9s buff not a big diff

[odd dagger]

yast has them as id

so its in kr

but u can only see the number change

gm effects have to wait till next week

[silver moth]

What it need is buff not reset every time u press anything

[silver moth]

[astral tendon]

9 seconds do give you more up time for max stacks

Which helps on damage a bit

But that’s about it

[silver moth]

Yeah i know, but honestly i feel it not diff

[odd dagger]

its a small buff with just that

we have to see the gm effects

[silver moth]

Cuz if u need EQ to iframe, u still lost the buff

[harsh belfry]

and gives some breathing room if boss jumps around

[silver moth]

Hope on GM sun stroke

[harsh belfry]

you dont loose BD when you EQ

[odd dagger]

sunstroke itself does hit harder to

[astral tendon]

You lose dt stacks

When you do anything but not holding rmb

[silver moth]

Buff stack DT

[astral tendon]

We are not talking about bd

[silver moth]

Not the BD

[harsh belfry]

ahh yeah that is lost

[silver moth]

Idk but lightning rod and storm blade seem not make u lost buff

If u timing correct

Weird

But searing slash always make it reset

So annoying

[hearty ether]

u can go to the skills tab of each class, click a skill and then hold up arrow until u see the new skill in korean but make sure ur in the KR patch before u do that

[silver moth]

Yeah

[harsh belfry]

i know thats why i said you have to search the ID 105965 is for sunstroke

but that i would not trust
cause it has a stronger then legendary DT with no gm effects in it

thats why i said we need to wait and see what leg tab truly gives or if it has GM effects

[hearty ether]

oh yeah i get that

hopefully worth enough to give up 2 dps skills for it

[harsh belfry]

what would be good effects
some crit rate on use for X seconds
some extra dmg so it can get use out of GM points
and maybe some CDR for searing

[silver moth]

Up tier and DT still got no aoe

[astral tendon]

imagine you get the vt badge effect on tab gm

[harsh belfry]

Or this could be prep for skill rework and no more gm effects

[odd mantle]

[elfin fossil]

No idea what is this but the AP compared to original legendary:
Puncture 6.5 AP ----> 11.1 AP
TDS 6.95 AP (+ BD 2.8 AP) ----> 11.4 AP (+ BD 8 AP)
HS 6.05 AP ----> 6.95 AP

if that will be true, TDS will be the most overpowered build

[odd dagger]

inhale the copium bois

we are so back

[elfin fossil]

I don't expect anything at all
I know this may change at any KR patch

[odd dagger]

can u check if those ids are there in an older patch

maybe a month back

[elfin fossil]

ye, but had no AP value

this is one week earlier

06.05 KR patch

they had no value assigned

[odd dagger]

yea so they arent jst some old stuff but actually new things

but if they are new id

maybe those are the new tier books

[elfin fossil]

i hope it's not true

hs got hit with lowest AP increase, if that were to be true, hs will be out of meta

[hearty ether]

is that for every class' dps skills?

[elfin fossil]

I didn't search other classes skills so i'm not sure

[silver moth]

[hearty ether]

i think summoner sunflower has smth similar?

so if its like across all classes maybe theyre buffing with the new dungeon coming out or smth (copium)

[odd dagger]

dl has skills but no values

[silver moth]

kfm have this

phantom mass?

[elfin fossil]

I found this on kfm

I didnt exist one patch before

[harsh belfry]

Dt only going up by 1.25 is sad

[elfin fossil]

So it's not buffed skill everywhere

on some classes they gave totally new skills

[odd dagger]

thats just the new blue buff leggy

15 sec bb

[elfin fossil]

my bad then, I'm clearly missing some knowledge

[odd dagger]

there is new books that are data mined

but there might be skill buffs on top of that

[hearty ether]

both kfm & sin blue buffs got +5 sec buffs

[silver moth]

DT aoe where?

[elfin fossil]

the first datamined leg book seems to be what mai found here

[silk beacon]

doubt we getting any love

we not dl

[odd dagger]

no thats the nc master plan though

make everyone swap to DL

then buff everything else

[silver moth]

doubt about that

[winged reef]

Lightning will always prevail as superior

[silk beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1128107387241365646.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=8bitpeepoJetDance

[odd dagger]

nc hates burst builds

[valid cradle]

Its because of live

Burst was too broken there

[odd dagger]

it is kind of understandable

it is always fun to guaranteed get last hits on msp mushrooms or monarchs

[lyric pecan]

here is theoretical math dps comparison for 2puncture/s for 6.5x vs 11.1x
this is with 3273ap/310.31%cdmg
add. dmg included

+5 puncture +3 lunar on mushin core

[elfin fossil]

I was doing something simillar but with AP multipliers

6.5 vs 11.1x
it's total 30% dmg increase to whole rotation, at least I calculated it like this

[elfin fossil]

+30% looks to match with your calculation as well

[odd dagger]

+30% would put them like 5% behind similar DL?

i do hope this is real

[lyric pecan]

no

not even close

close to ck kfm, but 200k-300k less dps lol

if its 2punc/s

[odd dagger]

why would that be

i think you guys have waay too much magic using DLs in NA

[lyric pecan]

my ck kfm would do 1.5-1.6m on dummy

[vernal dust]

I think rn dl is 35% stronger than bm

[odd dagger]

do not use dummy parse for DLs

[lyric pecan]

DL with my stats can do 1.9-2M on dummy

[odd dagger]

they are too boosted with free crit rate

[lyric pecan]

well thats the base line to compare

[odd dagger]

compare with actual dungeon crit rate

[lyric pecan]

even in dung right now

[vernal dust]

In real content the diff is like 30-40%

Like mines

Or machi

[lyric pecan]

i do ~550k on machi. my lancer buddy does 800K

[odd dagger]

35% is the current difference

you might be losing a bit more cause DL being a range is able to hit in situations where you cant.

DL is 49 AP/s , with a 90% Uptime of 50% crit dmg buff

[lyric pecan]

call it what you want but no way 11xap can catch up to dl, not even close

[odd dagger]

if you actually get +30%

u are close to DL

weaker

but pretty close

[lyric pecan]

not even pretty close

[odd dagger]

BM should never be as strong as DL

but 5-10% behind

[lyric pecan]

youre more close to current ck kfm

[odd dagger]

is solid

[vernal dust]

I mean that moves bm top 3 dps

[lyric pecan]

not

[vernal dust]

Or 4th

[lyric pecan]

more like 5th

[vernal dust]

Dl wl kfm bm?

[odd dagger]

WL , DL , KFM , BD

[lyric pecan]

lightning bd

[vernal dust]

Bd is legit?

[odd dagger]

yea

if they have the perfect macro

[lyric pecan]

depending on movement of boss. if boss moves alot, lightning bd outperforms ck kfm

[odd dagger]

its not as strong as BM

[lyric pecan]

if stationary, ck outperforms

[odd dagger]

DL*

BD is like 25 rn

but they are gettign a good book

which should push them to 30

[vernal dust]

Light bm looked like big mod buff

But i might be tripping

[odd dagger]

well lightning been always on the high end of mods

[vernal dust]

Was it tds or tab change?

[odd dagger]

tds

technically , both are tds 😂

[vernal dust]

Yea thats why i said tab

Whats the mod change

[elfin fossil]

let me remind:

TDS 6.95 AP (+ BD 2.8 AP) ----> 11.4 AP (+ BD 8 AP)

[vernal dust]

Oh yea so i wasnt tripping

Its giga

[odd dagger]

tds with BD is gonna be so cracked

i wonder if u have to go back to running 1 more BD skill jst to fill the rotation gap

[covert cedar]

Puncture IS A tier

[odd dagger]

😭 mora was from the future

we doubted u

[vernal dust]

If you have 48gm tab

[covert cedar]

All G fam

[lyric pecan]

hes tampon tim

[covert cedar]

Bestie doing math

What a day

[vernal dust]

Rotation is good. Maybe put that bladecall back and its gg

[lyric pecan]

just dont play puncture

[silk beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-crunchy-cat-glasses-cat-luna-glasses-cat-gif-12732289841207803174

[lyric pecan]

stay meta-chasing

[vernal dust]

Stay light

[silk beacon]

im light since moonwater

[elfin fossil]

hs seems to be doomed

[silk beacon]

stay away from it if it become good in 6 months ok

[odd dagger]

they jst swap to it if its braindead enough to play anyway.

[vernal dust]

The light or the slasher?

Cause light is only for fanboys

Slasher is for anyone

[elfin fossil]

Lightning looks giga buffed

getting massive over about 10 AP buff

while hs gets 0.95 AP buff?

[odd dagger]

slasher seems to be having biggest fall of with those numbers unless the gm numbers are getting big buff for BDR.

[vernal dust]

Hs is 3 per sec? Or 4 casts?

[odd dagger]

3.33

[elfin fossil]

oh that's right, we don't know anything about gm effects, if they going to change them or not

[vernal dust]

So technically a 30% increase aswell

Isn't it top dps on wb tho?

[odd dagger]

well riven is just more geared.

[elfin fossil]

again all skills comparison:
Puncture 6.5 AP ----> 11.1 AP
TDS 6.95 AP (+ BD 2.8 AP) ----> 11.4 AP (+ BD 8 AP)
HS 6.05 AP ----> 6.95 AP

[odd dagger]

• wb is boosted for slasher/dt

compared to puncture

[vernal dust]

Yea bcs of crit rate

But still its the lowest effort

[odd dagger]

we also dont know what the sunstroke gm effects are

[vernal dust]

Highest performer

[odd dagger]

that might be benefitting hs and dt

[vernal dust]

Dt needs some love ngl

[elfin fossil]

true

[vernal dust]

As much as i hate it

I must say it needs a buff

[lyric pecan]

hs and dt animation/sound effect is dogshit

cant play

[vernal dust]

Man of culture

[odd dagger]

HS purple is peak though

its leggy that ruined it

[vernal dust]

Playing for sound

[lyric pecan]

dt twirling and sh1t, lol please my eyes

[vernal dust]

I was blind to the truth and never played puncture on my main

After i tested on my alt

[lyric pecan]

tds is dope but if imma play around black dragon, i might as well play ck kfm

[vernal dust]

Well if you have the books

[odd dagger]

dont think u have that much downtime

[vernal dust]

I can make bd unlimited

But you will be sweating

[lyric pecan]

it's the idea of upkeeping a buff. kfm is more satisfying to play

[serene crypt]

hmmmm see thats, and think TDS build whill be overbuffed. Realy good build but only for lovers, never love light bm) only fire)

[silver moth]

Justice for fire

[serene crypt]

yeap give DT aoe)

3m aoe like it was in live)

for me all build playble) but some need more gold books)

[hearty ether]

leggy sun stroke will benefit HS for sure but if tds/punct get a crazy AP multiplier its

[serene crypt]

hs get 30 gm good buff) 3xAP... but base of HS just get only 0.9xAP... so HS get near 3xAP buff per sec, other build more... then 5ap per use... seams not good balance

so HS whill be nerfed, if it whill be true

[silver moth]

[odd dagger]

nvm

the ones with value were so far in id

[silver moth]

[slim mortar]

So dt still bad

[silver moth]

Always has been

[slim mortar]

Had just a bit hope that they would buff it atleast a little

[silk beacon]

U shouldnt have ditched light...

I might be strong after 1 year sucking pp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1128107387241365646.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=8bitpeepoJetDance

[slim mortar]

[silver moth]

Atp u should give up, no way they gonna buff dt

[slim mortar]

I don't get the fire hate

Or overall bm hate

[odd dagger]

Everyone else loves bms except themselves

[slim mortar]

I wish ncsoft would love bms

[astral tendon]

I’m ‘loved’ by my raid since I’m the only bm left

I’m still not kicked even tho my gear was not changed for 6 months

[harsh belfry]

And by your clan too

[astral tendon]

Well I’m not the only bm in the clan

[valid cradle]

I think you were before the class change lol

[harsh belfry]

doenst matter we will always be here until we get EOS

[astral tendon]

changing to fire bm I still cannot understand the decision

[hearty ether]

fire bm is super strong now i feel, just inconvenient to play w/o aoe other than searing

[astral tendon]

Is not superior in single target compared to the other 3 build

And it has no aoe while being inconvenient to play

Well maybe not inconvenient since you shouldn’t have issue with black dragon buff the only inconvenience is no immediate access or no access to f block

But is definitely more annoying to play compare to puncture

The other single target build, with like 30%+ aoe damage nowadays

Maybe more if you have like 102 tab

[hearty ether]

yeah thats true

at least u can have 2 kd's as DT

[silver moth]

Every spec can have 2 kd

Just use anklebiter add cast

[harsh belfry]

wow i came here to support you not to be murdered

[hushed briar]

just use wolf soul and daze penta bm support class

[hearty ether]

cc bot class

[obsidian steeple]

bm ftw

[silver moth]

Hmb and cc slave

[odd dagger]

optional bleed slave

[dapper hedge]

Absolute chad class

[silk beacon]

So, buffs when

[harsh belfry]

should know info tomorrow

[astral tendon]

BM scale ripper is no longer 5 x daze, is now 1 daze because the class is too broken

[dim summit]

this is just evil

[hearty ether]

give HS bleed so we can also be bleed bots

[silk beacon]

Noone will want us if they do that 🤣

[dim summit]

HS can be a bleed bot with Scarlett too

[hearty ether]

ya but inconvenient sadly i just did it in machi

[dim summit]

it is convenient if u do all the tab stone and rotate your E Q perfectly

i do lose like 10-20k personally if i have to keep up bleed

but that is gaining like 400k dps for team in Machi so im down for it

beside HS i dont think any other BM spec can do bleed more comfortably

Puncture have focus issue for sure

[valid cradle]

Its half that

health regen is per 2 seconds

[dim summit]

why do i keep forgeting that haha

cavok reminded me once and still

https://giphy.com/gifs/goldfish-409RSwD6YdCFy

[odd dagger]

yea with current hs rotation, having bleed isnt that hard

[silver moth]

DT can maintain bleed too

Still dps lost of course

[wooden rain]

Holy full week of silence

[gilded thistle]

[astral tendon]

The class is doomed anyway

70% ppl talking here are not even bm

[gilded thistle]

[astral tendon]

Like this guy

[gilded thistle]

I mean, it's kinda the same but the sword is glued to a stick

https://tenor.com/view/engage-kiss-kanna-anime-angry-anime-demon-spear-anime-gif-26742783

[silk beacon]

and does x2 the dmg as the sword

sometimes x3

[gilded thistle]

Also has more uptime on occasions

Certain bm build gets sent to the shadow realm if they move carelessly

[silk beacon]

and another to just lmb if u miss the tab

[winged reef]

Could have been 2, why did you speak

[vernal dust]

[wooden rain]

Had to call it out, new record

Doomer milestone

[unreal oriole]

is v8 the newest version of the AHK for puncture?

[lilac crater]

hi. which build better for new char? if i have 1 heroic and 1 leg selector book? is thunder drake slash good enough(from pinned message guide)?

[vernal dust]

i think outdated

wait for some good bm player to answer

i think heavenly slasher legendary is the easy safe way

puncture is great but i dont know what books make it good

thunder drake is bad unless you have 3-4 legend books and high af crit

and dragontoque is easy but weak and single target so not recomended

wait for experts

[astral tendon]

Forget about tds as a build if you don’t want to speed run quitting or change to another class

[serene crypt]

all 4 build good but
HS is easy way) 48gm +flock of blades is all you need
Dragontosnge solo target, its bad in lunar(( but dps great. Need for start 1 blue book)
Tunder drake - wery good build but you must hawe a lot of gold books
Punkture - good build, 48 in tab and 48 in rmb its all you need)

[astral tendon]

Or if you are fine with doing the same damage with more annoying game play or way less damage compare to other build with a small fck up then yeah

[unreal oriole]

At what punctures per second does puncture pass uh HS last time I played rmb tab build i was doing 1.9 with Pierce

[vernal dust]

i think they speak about 2,5 rn

but i dont know if only ping boosted ppl can do that

or if it is bcs punc no longer has slow cast. its only instant cast

[unreal oriole]

Once I get a puncture book I'll test. I'm at 18 ms

[astral tendon]

2.5 is impossible without magic

2.1 ish is the absolute maximum you can get no matter how low of a ping you have

[vernal dust]

the man said it

[astral tendon]

On paper is 2/s if you look at the gcd, but realistically you can get a bit higher than that not sure how that works but it does work for some ppl

[tacit star]

reward is dc on World boss , but requires tank spinning boss also.

[astral tendon]

if one day puncture doesn’t dc anymore, it will be the best build ever exist

Since everyone is using magic nowadays, puncture would easily 2x 3x damage with magic

[vernal dust]

you cant dc if you dont login

[rough perch]

from KR Q&A
Class Fixes and Bugs
[검사] 평만꿰 튕김 (심각)

[Blade Master / BM] Game crashes when using the basic attack-Multislash-Pierce combo (Severe issue).

THIS IS IT?

[astral tendon]

really

bm top magic class next patch i guess

[gilded thistle]

Time to go home

[fickle vortex]

Nothing special, just dmg increase

[astral tendon]

if they somehow fix the puncture dc thing, expect to see some ppl with 4+ punctures per sec next patch

[fickle vortex]

Yeah they increase the limit of sending input, so less dc

[astral tendon]

🪄

[gilded thistle]

[drifting crow]

how can you even manage the focus

when tab is bound by 2/s

[odd dagger]

the whole combo gets boosted

[drifting crow]

do you even play bm

u dont boost tab

there is no "magic" to increase tab count

u r talking bs in every class chat

[odd dagger]

i mean not like i would know what magic does to bm?

[drifting crow]

as in other class channels too

yet you yap bs

[odd dagger]

when it comes to cheating , yea everything is gonna be yap

[drifting crow]

why is cheating now the topic

i said u cant go further than 2 tabs per second

u say it gets boosted

[odd dagger]

because 4+ is with cheats...

[tacit star]

isnt whole point of magic to change that ?

[odd dagger]

puncture is also locked at 2/s

without cheats

[drifting crow]

no its not

[odd dagger]

well 3/s

it has gcd of 300ms

[drifting crow]

guy thinks u can 4 tabs per second

i cant

[odd dagger]

feel free to share your wisdom on cheats

[drifting crow]

😂

[tacit star]

i was tuning macro by 5 ms and cant go ms lower not to skip, tab or lmb. So if someone increases punctures per second he must change that. Feel free to educate 🙂

[gilded thistle]

[tacit star]

full natural and i already have to stop dps while cricling 🙂

[gilded thistle]

You play on 5ms?

[tacit star]

10ms, i mean u put 180 ms delay u lower by 5 check logs etc.

anyways which one on picture is puncture 🙂

[gilded thistle]

10 is still dope

im playing with 28-31 usually

piercing

[hushed briar]

just play dt no issues

[gilded thistle]

I wanted to play pierce but apparently they flushed that project

[odd mantle]

split the heavens

[tacit star]

stage 2-3 means leg -purple ? and full moon is black dragon?

[uneven kernel]

stages mean GM

[gilded thistle]

I believe those are the gm effects

so 30 and 48

gm

[uneven kernel]

sin HS and EP get aoe, where DT :<

[gilded thistle]

oh shi

[hearty ether]

bm buffed????

[fickle vortex]

GS system buff on dmg only (BM)

lunar 18, 30, 48
puncture 30, 48
DT 18 30
TDS 18, 30, 48

q, e resist from 0.5 sec -> 1sec

[hearty ether]

so no HS buff...............

[odd dagger]

its not lunar

full moon slash is hs

[fickle vortex]

no all skills will get buff

those above are just GS system buff

all skills will be buff on dmg side

no

천지가르기 = heavenly slasher
만월베기 = lunar slash

천지 means sky & earth

[hearty ether]

do we know what "stages 1-3" mean?

[harsh belfry]

gm effects 1-3

[gilded thistle]

gm bonus

[hearty ether]

ah okay

so puncture just got the biggest buff overall then

[fickle vortex]

all dmg will be buffed

[harsh belfry]

we wont know the numbers till june

[fickle vortex]

no one knows how much, so there is no way to know.
However the best part for puncture is no more DC

[gilded thistle]

peak

[hearty ether]

i mean punct uses both lunar tab and punct and they both get dmg buff + gm buffs, meanwhile for HS for example only HS gets buffed?

• the no disconnecting is rly huge

[gilded thistle]

[fickle vortex]

they had the plots for each class dps

[hearty ether]

hopefully nothing for dark lancer

[gilded thistle]

Just a minor crit damage buff on E

nothing crazy

[hearty ether]

[fickle vortex]

50% -> 65% crit dmg on E

onlt that

only that

[hearty ether]

did warlocks also get buffed?

[odd dagger]

yea

rmb gm effects

so if slasher gm effects arent buffed, non black dragon focused playstyle will be viable again

[fickle vortex]

major buff would be
KFM ck build became AOE
wind BD huge dmg buff
DES: cleave & eradicate(rotation changed)

others are mostly dmg buff

[hearty ether]

they'd rly have to buff the main dps skills dmg by a lot to keep up w the rest now

[odd dagger]

well its all numbers in the end

regardless of wheether its on gm or base

[hearty ether]

gimme DL numbers

[odd dagger]

also sunstroke leggy is gonna be a side upgrade for hs

[hearty ether]

oh ya i forgot about that

but its a bigger buff for DT if anything

[odd dagger]

this list kinda scary

cause wl is listed to being lower than light BD

[fickle vortex]

DL is designed as the highest dps class anyway

But kinda too much

[odd dagger]

if they overshoot wl , we have new problem in na/eu

[hearty ether]

dont mind DL being the strongest at all tbh but as it is rn the gap is way too big

[odd dagger]

i would assume each line is different spec to?

they coulda given some info on that to

technician is kfm id assume

but for some reason there is no line for them which is on par with BD

[hearty ether]

whats the last one

[odd dagger]

dest

ok nvm 2nd was kfm

probably?

[uneven kernel]

but is it for now, or how they want it to be?

[odd dagger]

its the current chart

so i guess buffs are gonna be relative to these graphs

[hearty ether]

ep surprisingly low

[astral tendon]

Magic would speed up the whole combo

So 4 + puncture mean 4 puncture 4 tab 4 lmb

[drifting crow]

no

speed up whatever you want, the server still checks if skill is up or not

and that is the case with tab

[astral tendon]

brother there is no server check on gcd

How do you think other magic class get by that

Gcd are maintained locally

The only thing prevent puncture from doing that is dc

[vernal dust]

please cut the nonsense guys...

if someone can make the game cast any skill more than 10% faster i will send him 5k euro

i will even send recomendation letter to get hired to any game dev team

[astral tendon]

i know 3 combo is possible at least which is already 50% faster

[vernal dust]

Shark himself that used and created cheats for the game(he retired after godsword ) and these numbers you speak of would make his spine crack

[astral tendon]

Is not nonsense, puncture specifically you do not need to see animation for the damage to apply

Beyond that maybe not that’s all yapping

3 ppl already did them, the only thing preventing it is dc

[vernal dust]

some, not all but some skills have very solid cast durations and cooldowns

in this case tab

tab cant be cast more than 2 per sec

[astral tendon]

Tab is also not bound by animation

[vernal dust]

it is bound by server cooldown

you cant cast more than 2

no matter what you cook

so that limits your focus

[astral tendon]

in that case just use breeze and puncture

[vernal dust]

and thus limiting your puncturs available

breeze has the other issue

it has to connect to the target

if not the damage and chi wont damage nor chi

everything was tested back in live by many many ppl

and neo even has a much sticter server chec

this is why skills feel slower than live

you even activate hmb or self protection skills on some classes

and if it was a bit late you get damaged before the hmb shows on screen

imagine if world boss ppl with 30k force deal same dps as ppl with 37k force bcs of alien tecknologia that makes you cast 40-50% more skills

thats absurd to even speak of

[astral tendon]

is not like ppl like that doesn’t exist, there are a few in tw 3k ap ppl deal same damage as 3.7k ppl

[vernal dust]

the puncture disconect is just a bug

[astral tendon]

Mostly wl tho

[vernal dust]

its not only ap on neo

force gives dps

even if you gained force by upgrading hp

you deal more dps

bcs force gives dps

[astral tendon]

Never heard of that

[vernal dust]

yea man like thats a thing nobody talks about

everyone just say that someone cheats

[astral tendon]

Is there any math behind it, like if some how you have exact same stats more force = more damage?

[vernal dust]

yes

not figured the formula yet but it is real

[astral tendon]

there is no math behind it afaik

[vernal dust]

if you have very very very much gold to spare

test for your self if you dont believe me

[valid cradle]

I mean you can just swap between ap hp and ap def insignias

[vernal dust]

mantra stones give same force no matter what stats you rolled

roll all of them with def on resist

do a parse on a known highlevel target

like floor 42 tower

then remove all mantra , this will down you at least 1.5k force

go f42 again you deal like 5-10% less dps

even tho your mantra was defence before

and gave you no dps stats at all

remove your skillbooks that give no dps, like hmb book , other skills that deal no damage only protect

force even lower dps even lower

[valid cradle]

Are you implying they changed the damage formulas with the introduction of supreme force

[vernal dust]

this is 1 possibility, 2nd possibility is it always existed invisible in neo

[hearty ether]

if i only upgrade my HP stat rn i wont be doing more dps even though i gain slightly more SF though...

[vernal dust]

hp is like 30 SF per 1k hp

[hearty ether]

ya but i wont do more dps because of it

[vernal dust]

30sf is 0.01% of the 30k SF ,.,.. the dps cant be a legit measurment

make a new alt

[odd dagger]

well there is an easy way to test if it works

just equip card sets which give ct %

and remove them

if sf gives dmg it wouldnt scale of crit rate

but dmg should go up

[vernal dust]

but dmg goes up

[hearty ether]

if u upgrade cdmg/cr/ap or piercing stats, it should mean you'll do more dps

[odd dagger]

also why floor 42

[hearty ether]

but not hp

[vernal dust]

hp is just an example