Blade Master

[odd dagger]

the only thing the class does it DPS

it offers literally nothing else to the pt

[wind merlin]

Because destroyers do ?

[odd dagger]

destroyer has a billion CCs

[wind merlin]

And so many others have decent as well. Rat dances have 2 kds

[odd dagger]

KDs are almost irrelevent

its the stuns and dazes that are valuable CCs

[wind merlin]

Fms what do they offer to party ? I know ice flower that no FM uses, warlocks with don't even have buff for party here ?

[odd dagger]

wls are top dps now after last patch

[wind merlin]

Kfms technically have tons of CCS and even a grab xD

[sick bison]

shadow wl does the same dps as lancer, if the lancer does not drop out of their demonic form

[wind merlin]

However, just like in live, BMS and sins are left to rot. Nothing new

[sick bison]

after new skill drops, lancer will be top dps prob

[odd dagger]

nobody uses grab on kfm

thats a dps loss

their ccs mostly require books or repositions

[wind merlin]

In live finding a ranking group as BM had Equal chance of winning the euro millions

I'm just saying they have those. Just like BM has nothing aside of one hmb... That soon enough no one would care for anyways.

[odd dagger]

BM has waaay more CCs

than whatever KFM has

and it has veil

and hmb

and the solo quad daze

[wind merlin]

If you spec them which you don't need anywhere outside of BT

[odd dagger]

most of the current balancing

is with BT in mind

[wind merlin]

Which 95% of the players wouldn't run anyways

And let's not kid ourselves. Game is centered on DPS with little else here and there. This is not the old days of live where mech was far more important than raw DMG on its own.

[odd dagger]

the new dungeons are pretty balanced

[astral tendon]

hmb bd also have and bd can unequip 6 books and still do more damage than bm

[odd dagger]

if u are 26.2k

[astral tendon]

So they can also have cc

[odd dagger]

u are pretty much fine for new dungeons regardless of class

u can have 6 bms

and sitll clear bibong

[wind merlin]

@odd dagger and again if you have the DPS. Bibong is like 200k per person.

[odd dagger]

its 170 with bleed

if u are 26.2

[astral tendon]

Require more investment for bm to achieve that for sure

[odd dagger]

u are able to do 170

[wind merlin]

On lvl 76 boss without flat crit card sets ?

For sure

[odd dagger]

again if u are 26.2

u are doing that numbers

unless u have sh it ty stuff to inflate ur sf

[wind merlin]

Again, I would disagree with that but to each their own .

[odd dagger]

i know plenty of 27k BMs

who are doing 180-190k

so there is nothing to disagree

[astral tendon]

😂while 27k bd is doing 330

[wind merlin]

There is like 10 of those in Europe. That's plenty... Not

[odd dagger]

does the amount matter?

only the SF matters

if u are the required SF

u have the required dmg

[sick bison]

the BMs I've run with do less or the same than my 21k warlock at 26-27k

[wind merlin]

Discussing with you is like talking to the wall

[sick bison]

I feel like it definitely isn't a given they'll do enough at the min requirement

[wind merlin]

You know 10 BMS with gear 90% of the server do not have

[odd dagger]

they are supposed to be doing that much

[wind merlin]

And that makes the class ok

[odd dagger]

again if they dont have the gear

they cant run the dungeon?

[wind merlin]

Whatever makes your boat float mate

[odd dagger]

the dungeon is designed with that SF in mind

sure the dps classes have slightly easier time

[wind merlin]

And whilst your 10 BMS do 180k , kfms and BDS do 400

[astral tendon]

400 need 30k +

[odd dagger]

I mean, 26k KFMs i know do only 220k

[astral tendon]

Well they can do it for sure but need 30-31k

[wind merlin]

My kid was doing 160-180k on bibong with 23k SF as FM

[odd dagger]

is that with summoner

[wind merlin]

I'm not sure who took her there. Was with clan but don't recall names. I think Volco was there doing something stupid like 450k

[astral tendon]

tw no1 bm rolled to bd damage went from 450k to 700k tho he has like what 3.4k ap

[wind merlin]

I can't wait for more new dungeons to pop in. Where the boss out level you by a lot and everything without crit buffs has like sub 40% crit xD

[hearty ether]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-thousand-yard-stare-cat-ptsd

[odd dagger]

then u can use ur puncture and be no 1

[wind merlin]

You're being so funny it's hilarious

[astral tendon]

Meanwhile I barely do 300 even tho my gears are sh1t nowadays

is still 32.5k force tho

[wind merlin]

@astral tendon you still have more gear than 90+% of the server lel

I just couldn't wrap it in my head how he can defend the state of the class considering it's on the bottom with sin. Summ is low but no one takes them for the DMG anyway lel

[astral tendon]

There is the point of cc/hmb etc, but I did not see any team specifically ask for bm cos of that

[wind merlin]

Er because you don't need it ?

[astral tendon]

Cos dropping book from other or use poh core will yield way more team damage than having a bm in the party

[wind merlin]

Bibong expanding aoe barely does any DMG and you can just iframe it like nothing

[astral tendon]

Anyone can quad daze basically

Bm is not required in anything like sum, and do crap damage

[wind merlin]

And albeit I hated naruy sanctum with passion, first boss wasn't the worse I've seen

They just turning the class to irrelevance everyone will ignore /avoid... Just as it happened in live

[astral tendon]

Is never gonna be truly ignored since hmb I guess, when bd doesn’t want to equip it

But that depends on bd

I’d be fine if slasher is 16 meters always max boost and deal the damage like now tho

I’d probably still swipe if that is the case

[wind merlin]

@astral tendonhmb will get to a point no one would care for it at all. In live what BM can do , the others do 100 times better .

no one is impressed there if you can iframe 20 slams on yeti for example 😄

[astral tendon]

well I mean I quit live at beginning of tt, bms were still pretty good back then

Only fire tho

Lightning was sh1t

[hearty ether]

is BM the ultimate doomer class

[odd dagger]

they truly are

still the 3rd most popular class despite free class change existing

[silk beacon]

[wind merlin]

@odd dagger cuz a lot changed their free book to farm msp. You can easily farm msp with 1 leggy hs and the 10 free books

Truly end game with better drop than dungeons xD

[odd dagger]

its always been top 3 popular class

BM still has more geared top 10 than everything except BD and FM

all of them can swap to whatever else if they wanted

[somber kiln]

The qualms about picking a spec for me is mainly ping issues

DT sas so bad for me at 80ms i basically quit

Due to being f2p and swapping was expensive

Puncture being macro heavy was killing the experience tbh

[wind merlin]

bm was very popular in live too .... then it wasnt xD

[odd dagger]

thats cause bm's are high iq players

they jst stopped playing dead game

[wind merlin]

wind kfm would`ve been even more popular if it wasn't single target >.<

no all bms swapped

cuz people wanted tank to be able to grab and / or break

bm didnt had any of those was just dps

[odd dagger]

break = dead era of bns

[silk beacon]

i mean

easy access to threat would make bm more usefull

i remember in live tanking ET AI etc with an alt that had 1/3 of the gear of the rest of the ppl

[wind merlin]

being on the bottom of the dps scale now you are not even tank as bm, you`re just there. HMB bot

[silk beacon]

and now u cant even do anything even with warcry and mantras with certain ppl xd

[wind merlin]

and i don't even want to talk about helicopter tanking

it makes me gag

cuz you have warlocks,fms and bds mainly tanking

they all run in circle

its eww

[astral tendon]

So I also spin tank for them when I have the chance

I mean I need to hold aggro and I can’t do it if I don’t spin

Then I rarely do anything in the game anyway, just raid once a week then maybe 3 dungeons max

[odd dagger]

dont know about bibong , but every other dg is tankable without ever spinning the boss

wihtout ever having to block

[astral tendon]

I got enough timestream stones for awake core don’t even need to login for wb

[wind merlin]

@odd daggerfrom what i have seen bibong has super easy patern. half pizza this side , half pizza that side, expanding aoe ...

[odd dagger]

jst never the chance to tank it myself. always got some big pumper in bibong

[wind merlin]

and the expanding aoe is pretty much the only time you may want hmb ... if you are too lazy to turn around and ss or use e/q

[odd dagger]

as a DL, i desperately need that HMB during exploding mech

or i cant use 4

[wind merlin]

i want Taijin to be the next new dungeon in korea XD

that wolf will make a lot of people regret having dps agro XD

[astral tendon]

reposition every time after 4 tab is still damage loss

[last raven]

NA

you have any ?

[wind merlin]

@last ravenim in eu, sorry otherwise i would`ve gave you one

[last raven]

ty mate

WTB NA

[loud hinge]

he speaks the truth @crude dock

[crude dock]

[forest mountain]

When do I start hoping for leg stone slash instead of always wanting hs books?

Like what point is like ok worth for leg stone

[honest haven]

how many hs do u have

stacks

I think nanaya said after 150 hs its more worth to get 48 stone, but 30 stone is probably worth as soon as u get 2 leggy stones

and obviously at least 48 hs

not worth getting purple stacks for stone apparently, unless u got a leggy for 30

perhaps

[astral tendon]

2 legs for 30 is always worth it after 48 hs

156 is where you stop and go for 48

[serene crypt]

after 160gm every next gold book give less then 3% of dps, but after 48gm you must have 1 gold 4(stone). 30gm -great +4second for mark, its great buff, if you not use right mark buf, becose murk give near 30%of damage (30gm buf on hs). So have gold ston - its good have 2 - great, have 3 gold stone - have littlrle burst damage)

[fickle vortex]

WTS legendary one lol

[dark gyro]

Sup! newbie bm is here. Can anyone share some advises regarding build setups? What are the most required to be a strong tank in-game? I looked into guide, and did not understand most of this.

Does lightning build, i guess (heavenly slasher main skill) require low ping? Or leggy books?

Appreciate any advises 🙏

[somber kiln]

First off
Whats your ping?

Secondly, tanking is basically who does the highest dps in the party, threat function is not viable in Neo

[dark gyro]

40-50 appr.

But I saw that bm have a taunt on his block, does it not working?

[somber kiln]

That War Cry function pulls the boss for like 5s and then goes back to the highest dps

Pretty crappy

Parry would be the best option, mostly works solo wise

[somber kiln]

Wuth that ping you can basically play any spec

But the parry book gives you access to your Hongmoon Block

Right now, bm at whole is not the best dps class

On the lower side of the dps spectrum

There's Dragontongue build, works decent with your ping, but its single target

Blocking is impaired for it, since you have to either get kicked out of stance or use another skill to activate a block

And draw stance has 0 block stat, it wipes it out i believe

Then there's the Heavenly Slasher build

Thats meta atm

For the class

[dark gyro]

ty

[somber kiln]

Lightning rn I'd say is niche

Its not bad but you'll definitely have to like tbe playstyle if you wanna run it

And puncture, idk much about it

Hopefully someone explains it

Or explain everything else better

What are you looking for in playstyle since tanking is kinda out the picture?

[dark gyro]

nah just thought that if bm have a war cry function that you can spam and aggro boss all the time

currently i have a wl in my party with a wild boorst that i am not able to tank

[somber kiln]

Yeah well

Gotta take out a second mortgage and up your gear to tank 😂

[valid cradle]

In case youre not aware of it

You can use the class change voucher to get your desired legendary skill book

With the caveat that doing that requires you to start from a different class

Gonna assume you already claimed it (DLSTREAMGIFTS coupon code, 3 days left to claim btw.)

[astral tendon]

even this is not possible

my gear is sh1t now so i cant tank ofc, but last patch when i had a few of the best gear across eu i still cant tank.

there are always classes that will marginally out damage you with way less gear

you play bm because you like the class, if you dont love the class to death and play the game for any other reason dont play bm

[somber kiln]

felt i love bm over all other

havent tried des and wl yet tho

but i feel wl might feel better

[astral tendon]

mobility and iframe option kinda sucks

damage is top tier

fm has good mobility but they are sh1t as well now

[somber kiln]

i made an fm alt

high ping

[astral tendon]

i mean high ping wl is also sh1t

[somber kiln]

i see

im 70-80ms

more to the 80 side

[astral tendon]

des is ok i guess since execute wont be faster with lower ping i think.

[somber kiln]

yes was told its fine with high ping

just need to invest

straight to 48 gm

[astral tendon]

48 exectue is all you need to be ok ish

[somber kiln]

im looking for a msp alt farmer

i think dragonchar will do ok

[astral tendon]

des is not that great in term of msp unless you somehow kill the pack with either 1 execture or 2 execute with the last hit.

fm and sums are good.

but with the nerfed range they dont really out perform slasher anymore.

[somber kiln]

yeah slasher best, shoulda just made my alt slasher

nvm

slasher needs sacred badge

fuh that

[astral tendon]

if just for msp. badges are not needed, just 48

but fm may not even need 48

[somber kiln]

slasher books still going for 1k dg lmao

imma make it if the same bp type comes back

next time

the 10x selectors

[brazen light]

when pin up to 6-70ms，Hs too slow

It's painful to watch

[somber kiln]

but it still is pretty good

[odd dagger]

that happens when ping get unstable

if u are constantly at high ping

its not an issue

but during the initial boost its a bit slow, so gotta avoid using sunstroke

[wind merlin]

There is a way to do as much as someone based in Frankfurt from thousands of miles away. But it's not for everyone

[somber kiln]

And whats that

Cause I'm having 80-90ms these days

With exitlag

[astral tendon]

Idk if the shenanigans work for bm, it for sure does not speed up things if you are already at max count

But if you can’t hit max count due to ping, idk if it can bring you up there

[west gust]

Returning back to the game after a some months now, from what i read here FM is still bad and HS is meta in BM, i got the class change set and wanted to switch to HS with pooor ping. Is it still viable or should i go another class? Cant lancer as a friend has already taken that class. Is gunslinger coming anytime soon?

[astral tendon]

Idk fm was the strongest class last patch by far so idk the still bad bit

They are sh1t this patch similar to bm so if you just want to hop to a better class from fm go to other channel, not here

[pastel vapor]

do you have to have class variety in your group? lancers have synergy with themselves in parties due to how their debuff works

[astral tendon]

By poor ping how poor is it

60 and 200 are different

[wind merlin]

They're not as shaite as BM. But need gear and high stacks on wtd

I would put FM up there with destro. Clearly not as good as wind kfm, warlock, light bd or lancer, but I can't see them as shaite as BM or sin

Plus for msp, they're still one of the best classes. Wtd 1 shot even the yetis.

[valid cradle]

Does fm even do more than damage than bm rn

[somber kiln]

How does dragonchar do in msp, made an alt just to farm msp and do dailies for gold

But i have bad ping

So char was recommended

[wind merlin]

@somber kiln all depends if you have leggy DD . It will not be as good as wtd but decent enough.

[somber kiln]

Hopefully they give good chances for leggies on next patch
Which will be the bday patch

Need a metric ton of gold to even keep up

[valid cradle]

Beam is the only high ping spec, but that wont do you any good for msp

[wind merlin]

@valid cradle like for like they do. But it all depends on stats. If they have high crit rate from cards etc , then they do more ....

[somber kiln]

I see, char doesn't feel bad on 80ms tbh

[wind merlin]

@somber kiln to be fair, my kiddo at 70 with just one ice rain leggy was making 70-100g per hour on the 60s mobs msp.

[astral tendon]

Bm and wtd with end game gear all crit rate card set would do similar in late dungeon and bt, lucky fm may do more in some run but it will even out

bm on the other hand, damage is more consistent due to high hit count and no big number burst skill

Des deals way more due to rage

[valid cradle]

Thats why the cool FMs play dual dragons

[wind merlin]

@valid cradle there is like 2-3 DD fms in the server. And I'm being generous there lol.

[valid cradle]

Theres 1 in the like top 5, and at least 2 more around 8-20

[wind merlin]

@valid cradlenames ? can't think of names at all. Should probably check the list when the kiddo do WB

[somber kiln]

Yeah but ice rain is bad on high ping i heard

Doesnt work well for me

[valid cradle]

Me (discord name is my alt), Missallsundaey and the highest ranking one is Asakiyo iirc.

Cant check ingame rn but I think those are correct

[valid cradle]

Char has the bigger aoe so thats fine for you.

[wind merlin]

@valid cradlei see, cheers. Goes to show how much i know about fms 😛 I know from clan there is just BlackRose who hoovers around top 10 on DD. But WTD is far more dmg. And all it will take is to add it to Soul badge and it will be OP again 😄

my kid is generally speaking 8-10th if she doesn't f up and we aint spenders at all. RIP FMS xD

[valid cradle]

Its generally pretty equal to WTD now post-buff

Probably a little less on WB, but it does have bleed spam for dungeons/raids. (Needs better ping/fps compared to WTD though.)

[west gust]

i am the 200

my lvl 57 BM blue books used to do more than my 61 FM, but it has been a while. HS really did well on BM

[astral tendon]

Fm on 200 feels sh1t unless you are playing wtd, which is playable

Hs idk, count how many hs you use in 1 second

If it is around 3 then you wont really find anything better other than execute des and wtd fm

[wooden rain]

hs used to have lag compensation so i doubt it lost that

[astral tendon]

It still does

But 200 is a bit extreme

So idk

Puncture is unplayable at even 150

Which I experienced mid last year when I was aboard

[west gust]

yea, puncture wasnt it. i sold those , got hs

4-5 hs in a sec if things go good

[astral tendon]

Tell me the 4-5 per sec magic

Bm is actually playable if everyone can hit that count

[west gust]

It goes in flurries, it could just be that the lag condenses the HS slashes so that i see them together

[astral tendon]

That’s some serious lag lol

[sick bison]

I'd like some of that GCD ignoring lag for myself

[odd dagger]

always use technology to check counts

dont jst go off visuals

but 200 or whatever, u should hit 3.25+

jst during the small boost window u will be hitting as slow as ur ping

but as long as u have enough cr, u shouldnt need to use anything other than HS except stone slash. dont bother with sunstroke at high ping

[somber kiln]

So I'm circling back

Do i prioritize keeping the spam up or bd up?

I heard tab for when you need to quick frame

V for focus issues

But other than that, just spamming is better?

[astral tendon]

High ping stone slash is still the only worth while skill to cast

Low ping can put tab in the mix, and throw in a q/ss xe if you used v for some reason and have q up

[somber kiln]

I was doing all this but the tradeoff seems horrible 😂

Do I guess just spam till focus issues and v

And use 4 off cd

[honest haven]

idk I try to keep my buff up

I cycle my tab and V->X

but I dont have 4 stacked

[astral tendon]

Low ping 4 and tab are worth

X is worth if you need to dodge

[odd dagger]

V is alright as long as u do E V , u end up using V animation during the slow boost phase of E but only if u need focus as well, its pretty much net neutral DPS as just holding.

[odd dagger]

i mean if u have no 4 stacked

you just do V 4 X

[honest haven]

x cd is the shortest of them all so I do that yea but also have to do a V Q or SS here and there

it works fine on yeti at least

[odd dagger]

ya on yeti its good

cause u ss normally

but on normal stuff SSing for it is prolly jst net neutral

[astral tendon]

Qxe is some what worth it, ss is only worth when you need it for iframe anyway

But overall doesn’t matter

Doesn’t matter how you optimise it a lightning bd hold macro will do 1.5x damage

[honest haven]

well I only have 1 leggy book and I seem to do decent dmg all things considered 😂

I'm fine with that

maybe this friday we get even more 👀

[somber kiln]

How much you do on yeti?

My ping is so lame it spikes a lot

75-85ms on good days

When night hits

Itts 90-100

So my dps varies way too much

[hearty ether]

HSers, do u guys try to use sun stroke as soon as its up?

[honest haven]

dont have dps meter but I saw I was at around 140k today

22k sf and 90 hs

[honest haven]

https://i.imgur.com/KXEF7M5.png

[somber kiln]

Ahhh

Im 18k sf

96gm hs

I do around 110k if i dont mess up and stable ping

[somber kiln]

We discussed this a little bit upwards
Can scroll and see what others suggested

[honest haven]

with 30 stone too?

I wish :v

maybe this friday anniversary we'll get some more 🙏

[somber kiln]

18gm stone

Leg stone already givez 6s so im using that until I get another

Imma just go for another leg stone so i can put more purple hs

I got 2 left over

[honest haven]

o damn I didnt even know leg gave 6s

yeah that would be a huge buff

[obsidian steeple]

buff bm

[wind merlin]

Never. Soon enough even hmb wouldn't be desired in group

[honest haven]

new soul with HMB Pog

[odd dagger]

soul?

[honest haven]

would make bm a bit more useless

so maybe future content :^)

[quiet otter]

Doubt

[astral tendon]

Party shield soul exist

Maybe party iframe core in the future

Imagine, +5 mushin soul core gives hmb and besties

[wind merlin]

@astral tendon then no one would need BM anymore xD

[astral tendon]

bt wise, bm still have a place from 5x daze and low cd range protection, they are needed/perfered for b2-4

[somber kiln]

Bring back threat

And we good

[astral tendon]

idk about that

why do you need bm to tank when kfm, bd can tank as good as bm with way more damage

lightning bd has bladeguard for block, seperate q/e cd that does not change your stance.

and does not require max boost for anything to work

for majority of the bosses, it feels better to tank as lightning bd

kfm is just a tank class with more damage sure with less utility, but threat wont change anything

bd can even have movement speed tab for eaiser repositioning, with hmb, and double kd without book requirement.

[silver moth]

well, i think the point is threat make me become really "tank", not my wallet

[wind merlin]

I play with my daughter most of the time. And unless some bigger dude comes along , I have an FM tank everywhere...

[silver moth]

if melee get agrro, it fine, but i have ptsd about fm pulling boss whole 5 min

[wind merlin]

its really shaite. Like lvl 70 warlock with 300+ ap under me, crit dmg everything else lower .... does like 50-60k more than in Altar. I found this super annoying

i was supper puzzled how did that happen

im low for sure but he had 200+ k xD

[somber kiln]

Not necessarily

Like, the tank wasnt always the high dps

It was someone distracting the boss so that the whales can dps

But i get watchu mean with the current state of bm

Especially HS

With ghe stance swapping as well

They definitely need to integrate more versatility into the inherent part of the class

[wind merlin]

@somber kiln I mean the kfm and light bd crit buffs are simply crazy. With 31% on stats at 77 managing focus is super challenging and every tab/v followed by e it would lead to losing DPS. Sometimes on queen for example all I need is 1-2 sec of 0 crit to blew the whole focus. Then you have to use V and manage you Max boost.

At least we can get threat stats...

[somber kiln]

Yeah even at lvl 72 with 10K cr... Ik its not that much but still... At Yeti i run out fairly quick

Yeti is a fun fight but this build kinda comes up short with such a mid-paced fight

[odd dagger]

but slasher has perfect rotation on yeti though

every SS is a free X 2(raid) E or 2(rush) 4 E

[wind merlin]

@odd dagger it's not ideal on queen at all tho. Yeti is like blue dungeon nowadays.

[astral tendon]

higher dps class can do similar or even better job depends on dungeons in term of tanking

wl maybe need a tank, but its not gonna be bm anyway

bd and kfm dont need anyone to tank for them, they are not losing that much by tanking, even include the pulling attack away from the party

[astral tendon]

you are literally name the only occasion that bm is superior compare to bd in term of q/e iframe

outside of that, q to put you into draw stance and e put q in cd is just sh1t compare to the bd version of qe

[wind merlin]

@astral tendon I run queen today with 30% crit rate , 1800 ap, 11 leggy books at lvl 70 warlock. He had 200k DPS whilst I barely pull 150... I mean clearly at 2100 something ap, 15k crit rate and 240% crit DMG I'm low. And I know that but.... Really?

The f they did to wl

[astral tendon]

was too sh1t at release, they end up over buffed it

[odd dagger]

i mean u can jst Q+E together

[astral tendon]

you cannot attack after q

and you have to use qe together

bd q/e have seperate cd no matter what

but dont have the free e from draw stance

if you use q/e together, is just 1 longer iframe with 8sec cd, instead of 2 iframe with 8sec cd.

[odd dagger]

i mean nothing wrong with consuming cd

if u want to ifrmae

[astral tendon]

but the thing is, when consective attack coming, with shorter than 8 cd i nbetween.

prime example

the corridor mini crap mob that throw stun projectile to you

bd can q to e to dodge everything while conssitently hitting

bm cant

also the flame mini boss, bd qe can space all attack while constently hitting

bm cant

have to block or ss or what

which lose more dps and felt worse

also e cant be always used for iframe since sometimes is used for max boost.

tho one thing bm can do is still in yeti is can dodge 12 aoe hit without hmb

so if yo uwant to watch your team suffer you can do that and dance on their corpses

[odd dagger]

i mean im sure u can always optimizing positioning and cds to have maximum dps uptime

depending on bosses

[astral tendon]

i mean you can, but it felt worse

and now all bm can talk about is how it feels to play

because doesntt matter how sh1t the other class's pleyer is

they have the macro, hold it, they do more damage

compare to ultra minimax bm who optimised everything

[odd dagger]

well pressing iframe on BD is kinda worse than bms

cause they have 1 sec anims

compared to 0.5 of bm

[astral tendon]

well not all, but more than half the class.

i mean you can increase it to 3 seconds is still more dps, and longer iframe time.

tho i did notices bd has longer qe iframe but shorter ss iframe

[odd dagger]

yea but u said blocking feels bad, when iframe on other classes would feel worser

[astral tendon]

bm is the oppsite, shorter qe but longer ss.

i mean.

it feels good for the longer iframe tho and you always single use

and q/e cd are always seperate

i only played lightning bd in bt, which felt a lot better than bm in almost every boss.

[odd dagger]

it feels easier

but

shorter is undoubtedly better if u can time it better

[astral tendon]

i mean my felt better means easier to play.

bd is even easier to tank corridor mobs than bm

we dont have stuff like fujin/raijin anymore where short cd/longer duration block makes stuff so much easier.

[wind merlin]

@astral tendon iframes aside, what's your take on the crit rate buffs light bd has

Crit is so important for pretty much every class

But BM aside from puncture, which become garbo, doesn't have any buff at all

And certainly not on hs

[astral tendon]

i mean all broken classes have in built crit rate

wl have it as well.

is just not straight to 100% so need more gear and card to work

100% crit rate class should do less damage compare to other class when they also have 100% crit

but ofc no

now 100% crit rate class do more on lv45 dummy

imagaine what they do when they keep that crit rate and sh1t class lose 40% of the crit

losing 40% is being generous since thats with 3hong, which is sitill the most amount of crit you can get.

new card set can sort of keep the crit rate or - a bit crit rate for more crit damage

puncture should be up there but the base multipler for puncture is still too bad, guess still paying back for the mw days.

[hearty ether]

what would HS bms have to get to be on par with these broken classes 😭

[odd dagger]

I mean, jst higher mods.

But ideally puncture should be as strong as light bd

but neither should be as strong as wl/kfm

[wind merlin]

hs build need something like SS giving 50% crit rate for 6-10 sec with every 5th HS reducing cooldown of SS by 2 sec. There problem partly solved. Not the best as no way to keep SS up at all times, but better than what we get atm

HS is super fast spec with really shaite dmg but the issue comes with crit/focus....

[odd dagger]

its just how the spec is

not every spec in the game can be the same thing with 100% CR

[astral tendon]

reduce the stone slash cd from 36 to 12, hs is suddenly on the same level as kfm

[wind merlin]

@astral tendon it gives only 5% crit rate tho...

[silver moth]

Bm still trash class, play kfm bd or wl

[wind merlin]

Make CK aoe and I'll switch np.

Albeit I still have some twisted love for BM

Although no one would pick me for serious Rankin in live... I was an afterthought for when the rest get theirs sorted xD

Every class is one button regardless

[odd dagger]

yall should swap off bm so i can be bm and get top 10

[silver moth]

CK was never is aoe skill, but may NC can hear u wish

Like the way i wish DT got aoe back

Damn u NC

[odd dagger]

NC : If you want aoe just swipe for the mythic skill

[silver moth]

I mean, we have "main" content is farming simulator on f8, just give every specs aoe, sound fair right?

[honest haven]

I did a duo with a friend and I was shocked that I could easily dodge 14 hits without freezing, I feel like bms can do infinite yeti iframes if you line the skills up well enough

it just comes down to the dps loss ig

like use several iframes, 3 hit hmb, several iframes, 3 heat stacks, several iframes

[silver moth]

Yeah, bm e got reset everytime switch to draw stance

U can infinite iframe yeti on live version

[silver moth]

But on neo bm draw is shjt

No one care

[astral tendon]

You can if you put tab/4 in the mix

[hearty ether]

HS crit reducing the cd of stone slash instead of flock of blades imagine

[honest haven]

how is the xp on the new msp?

any1 got a spreadsheet

[somber kiln]

There were actually cdr on 4 on live

They're just continuing to mess up bm and sin

All over the place

[modest epoch]

Hello, this might sounds strange - but how do i do the Lightning BM Rotation correctly so i can use it for more then 5-6 hits?

[wind merlin]

I like Nanaya idea. Or add reset on crit at 48 GM like light draw

[astral tendon]

that makes bm the same as des, slot machine class

[wooden rain]

Making the gameplay accurate to the rest of the game

[obsidian steeple]

buff bm

[wind merlin]

@astral tendon but still better than what we got...

[silver moth]

crit buff like light bd

[astral tendon]

Puncture would be playable if the multiplier is not sh1t

like 6.5 from a skill that you cast 2 times a second

Meanwhile dark lancers lmb is 12.8 base, 18.5 with erosion effect also cast twice a second

21.5 with 18gm

[hearty ether]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nod-cat-hyper

[astral tendon]

like is higher than puncture, tab and lmb combined and its one skill so is boosted by the book

[obsidian steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-bowl-hungry-gif-5337018160645280311

[wind merlin]

Well I doubt they'll give us anything at all. With their focus on different book systems and all the other things. I guess they wouldn't bother with balancing anytime soon

[astral tendon]

the tw team that cleared raven king have 5 wl, 2kfm 1 lightning bd, 2sum and 2fm, they clear with negative timer

they kicked the bm from clear 1

[silk beacon]

there was a bm on one kill right?

or i remember wrong

[astral tendon]

yeah the first kill have the bm

[silk beacon]

it was 4 wls before

[astral tendon]

he got removed

to a wl

[silk beacon]

pssy move

[astral tendon]

the lightning bd sitll deals more damamge than all the wl

so that class is sitll busted

and the kfm has the highest damage, i think he tank without threat bead

imagine

[dapper hedge]

when helicopter buff

and bm

and assa

and fm

and sum

[valid cradle]

Are those dd fms for bleed?

[dapper hedge]

and 2nd specs of bd/kfm

[dapper hedge]

i mean and for rk you need veil while add phase

or you get yeeted with 200k+ feathers in your face

[valid cradle]

Doesnt sum also have that

[odd dagger]

well sm outside of hammers are low dps

[valid cradle]

Yeah but since theyre already running two sums

Havent looked into the fight at all though, so maybe you want to have projectile resistance for longer than 1 person can provide.

[dapper hedge]

tbh adds take quite long so i guess you need multiple range protects

1 aint cutting it

i mean they have 50-60 mil hp iirc

1 min enrage on em

[wind merlin]

they`ll not do anything until enough BMs in korea (preferbly big massive whales if there is any) cry about it

bm in neo will follow the faith of bm in live

no one would take bm for serious ranking

even statics

bm in live was just dps, admittedly not bad dps per se, but people wanted the tank to grab or/and break .

[hearty ether]

i heard abt this 😭 is there a link to it smwhere?

[astral tendon]

some of them stream on chinese platform i guess.

i got screenshot from chat group

[hearty ether]

ooh okay

[silver moth]

They say will change skill system on yesterday live stream

I doubt about that

[wooden rain]

You shouldn't doubt it

They'll change it for the worse

[somber kiln]

Monetization for old system is played out

Need new ways

To cash out

[golden sedge]

Honestly they could of just profited from outfits and hajoon boxes.

Skill books are overkill

[silver moth]

i miss the skill system that have 2 element

[somber kiln]

@astral tendon idk the numbers so well

Im 96gm hs and 18gm stone

I got a leg honed slash last night, think going 90gm hs for the honed is worth?

Both hs and stone are legs btw

[astral tendon]

depends on how much you will utlise honed slash.

[somber kiln]

Hmmm true

[astral tendon]

honed slash is only useful when you can combine it with q, which is fine if you are familiar with the boss enough and you are sure you do not need iframe on top of already need to use e to get back max boost from time to time

[somber kiln]

At most
It'll just be for an opener

[astral tendon]

if you ss

you should v before ss and x

rather than use honed slash

[somber kiln]

Ok

Lmao all the rando leg boxes i opened TO DATE gave me honed slash

Literally all

Pretty sure im gonna be getting another one from the event box today lmao

[astral tendon]

honed slash is pretty much only for q usage, is fine to have one if it is for a purple hs

or if you are at like 200 gm or something

[somber kiln]

I see

[astral tendon]

otherwise you will most likely forgot about it.

[somber kiln]

Well i end up using it by mistake

In case i get misplaced and used a greyed out E

And righr click

Mistakenly be used lol

[astral tendon]

but you use it by mistake a lot of time with 4. or can use x instead

which would make honed slash only useful for max boost.

qe to fail the 2nd e, didnt see it that much

may happen rarely i guess

[somber kiln]

Yeah like tab and I miss the E and mistakenly right click

Or 4

But overall in bosses

Not so much

Mainly in msp

Imma hold off on it I guess

[honest haven]

leg searing slash > purple unstacked stone right? 🥲 hs

[hybrid willow]

WTS EU

[somber kiln]

Hmmm

Heat is exclusive to DT?

Bc you initally want the black dragon effect.... If heat works well for hs then possibly

But idk

[silk beacon]

yes

[astral tendon]

for your own damage? no if there is a summoner.

unstacked purple stone still give you some stats

searing is literally useless with summoner

[west gust]

Got leg Searing as well with HS. but 2 Heroics stone slash from the other chests. Should i replace Stone Slash or cry in a corner for the leggy book?

[honest haven]

Well let’s hope my other 2 upcoming random leggys will do

[odd dagger]

huh

from where

[west gust]

Also, does anyone know what 'heat' and 'faraway line' effects do?

[honest haven]

just got fragments and hajoon that I'm gonna roll

I think at this point my main upgrade is just books

and ofc rahu cards 😂

[wind merlin]

not just rahu, bm is really terrible without good flat crit % bonds

i wont grumble if i get zulia 😄

and one RK for the zulia/rahu/RK set, even with 1 card thats flat 3%

[silver moth]

Heat is effect boost dmg for DT, the other i think some effect of mystic badge

[somber kiln]

Faraway gives you focus back while V is up i believe when you hit

But its detailed on the mystic badge for flock of blades

[honest haven]

well I yoloed a few 5g boxes and got myself a stone slash finally 😄

[wind merlin]

@honest haven that's really lucky, gg

Unless you pull second, just keep it at 18 points imo. 4 extra seconds on BD buff for sacrificing 2 slots isn't worth

In my personal opinion

But you'll want to have 18 stacks on it. The 25% crit is worth the sacrifice of an extra slot.

[silver moth]

Yep, if u have 🦵 stone slash, get 18gm is enough

[honest haven]

Yeah 18 feels nice, the plan is to just wait until another leg stone shows up. 30 stone is probably priority over more HS right

84 / 18 rn

[analog yarrow]

WTS> NA BM

[rapid jolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVrnD3kIXDY

[analog yarrow]

Grats!

[honest haven]

what do u guys think this would go for if I sold it? https://i.imgur.com/8ciJboh.png no idea about wep prices

in eu

I'm thinking I'll invest in my double crit bound one if it goes for a decent price

[honest haven]

is it worth waiting for a rahu card or should I use raven king / zulia for ap set and 5% crit rate?

5% crit rate might be better for me than 3% and 8% crit dmg

but getting a rahu is kinda uff

[silver moth]

i prefer 5% crit rate

[honest haven]

ye I went with it

hs benefits so much from it

[silver moth]

HS dont have crt rate boost so yeah

[odd dagger]

combined sets are barely worth it

and BM is a class with CD buffs

CR will get you more dps till 65-70%

[honest haven]

yea I noticed in higher lvl dungeons its kinda rough crit wise

having some flat cr will surely be nice

and ofc msp with xp badges as well

[odd dagger]

damn leggy punctures are cheaper than purple punctures in mw days

[analog yarrow]

What third line stat is the best for bm on new ss? I’m playing Hs, debating on either piercing or block.

[odd dagger]

block is only really useful for draw stance builds

its either acc or piercing

[silver moth]

Block for sure

[astral tendon]

Piercing is also useless, accuracy 5.5k is an overkill anything pass that is a waste, 5.5k is already like a waste

I hit raven king 100% with 5.4 on 77

Block at least give you some damage

[odd dagger]

im really feeling next boss will have evasion rate on the boss

they are giving too much stat this patch

and there is a 2 month downtime between a new dg

[astral tendon]

idk, doesn’t matter for me, my gear did not change a bit for 3 month

Other than the soul core

[somber kiln]

What does that new skill do

That all classes can slot

Im reading it buy im cooked on understanding it for some reason

[astral tendon]

Your main dps skill have a fix chance to create an orb

On 5 orb you cast the new skill which is a pretty big nuke

Around 220xap if you have 3 books

On a 10 sec cd, use to not have it

For 1 skill class is pretty huge due to diminishing returns on stacking main skill

[somber kiln]

Oh true

I remember you said 156 soft cap

But oof

I think 2 guys in NA has it

[sick bison]

The lower your classes ap/s value is, the more dps increase you get per book, it basically equalized class dps difference a bit

BM should get like 15-20% dps from 1 book

[valid cradle]

Idk if it actually equalizes classes

I would say that it benefits classes with strong crit% and/or cdmg% buffs the most

[astral tendon]

It does to a degree

[valid cradle]

But light bd and wind kfm are already the top

[astral tendon]

That’s from 3 not 1

[sick bison]

lol no

3 is far more

Warlock is the highest ap/s, and clan mate got 10% from 1 book

[odd dagger]

the goat puncture will make its return

stone slash CD buff + 30% crit buff

[astral tendon]

Uh the base was 82

I thought it was 60 something

Tbh puncture takes the most advantage from it after the introduction of 10 sec cd

[odd dagger]

think every book is kinda similar increase? 1st book literally gives a full free apx skill
2nd is probably a bit weaker than 3rd.

[sick bison]

based on the testing done with 1 book, 3 books should do over 4 times the dmg per hit compared to 1 book

[astral tendon]

More like 3 not 4?

Is 82 to like 220

36 stacks give how much

[sick bison]

6800%

[odd dagger]

33+39+68

[sick bison]

oh I thought you said 48 stacks, lol

[astral tendon]

82-222 ap and gm is 22.8 to 72. Something

[odd dagger]

the skill do become stronger but

u do lose gm off helix/volley

[astral tendon]

For 1 skill class is fine

[sick bison]

it's a total of attack power, so the whaler you are the more ridiculous the boost is

[sick bison]

ya it's just over 4 times the damage per hit of a single book maxed

not 40% dps increase

[astral tendon]

You barely lose anything if you have 228 stacks to begin with

[sick bison]

but it's very close

[odd dagger]

yea

[sick bison]

and that's on a warlock

[odd dagger]

its kinda not that big on wl

[sick bison]

on BM you'd see some ridiculous dps boosts

[odd dagger]

they have what

3 skills?

alr at 48 ish

slasher yea, sadly puncture is also 48/48/48 next patch

[astral tendon]

kr no1 bm still doing sh1t dps with like what 108 on this skill

Compare to proper classes

[sick bison]

well, it is a dps equalizer, as long as the op classes don't get it as well

[odd dagger]

am i doing sth wrong or doesnt slasher have over 22x ap/s

30+ or sth right

[astral tendon]

30 something count in bd i think

31.7?

Can’t recall

That’s just the number flashed for top of my head

[odd dagger]

so only really worth to take like 48 points off even on slasher

need to recalc the mods with new skill on puncture later

[astral tendon]

Not really you can take off slasher til is 156

So 4-5 depends I guess

[sick bison]

only pierce leggy can save BM

trust

[odd dagger]

[astral tendon]

Idk, non of you are bm anyway

[odd dagger]

my sword jst has a long handle

im bm

[sick bison]

well technically

I use a sword still, just a very short one

[wind merlin]

Hs without flat crit is ridiculously bad. And unless you are whaling it's too rng for my liking. You have to rely too much on V to even be able to hit at all and DMG is really bad. I guess the class was designed with 20%+ flat from bonds in mind...

But if the only cards you get are iksanun and freaking gubong... Yeah , you become allergic to any dungeon above yeti...

[primal hound]

I immediately missed the crit rate I had when I played puncture before swapping over to HS and eventually swapping out of the class entirely, only to play a class that has worse cr lmao

[somber kiln]

Holy shii
Thought was only me LOL

But yeah focus becomes a problem at those higher levels

[astral tendon]

Just get 3 hong, problem solved

[somber kiln]

But im only 11.2k at lvl 74

Man, but if im to swap off from hs, imma just quit lmao

[astral tendon]

Or you can quit before swap off from hs

Like me, practically quit

[somber kiln]

Eh, only game I play

Idm hs

[astral tendon]

I only login once a week for raid

[somber kiln]

I'd prolly go Des but they essential got similar issues

[silk beacon]

u can feel free to send me your soul core whenever u want

[astral tendon]

Idk, felt like everyone has it now

There are 3 in my raid alone

My one has active, but more ppl will have that in a week or 2 I guess

[silk beacon]

well not many raid grps do 1-3

🙁

my grp barely has time to fill times for 1-2 xD

[astral tendon]

Fair enough, 1-3 you have one like every 2 weeks

After the corridor nerf is actually pretty fast

Took exactly an hour with some trolling yesterday for 1-3

[astral tendon]

There are like 2 I guess

In eu at least

Idk if the runtime error raid is running b3 or not

[silk beacon]

yep xD

[unique valley]

Is BM number 1 again?

[astral tendon]

In what world was bm ever number 1

Even in mw day there were wind bd

[analog yarrow]

Foshi too humble to admit that bd way stronger than bm

[astral tendon]

puncture was broken when there were no access to leg book, it out perform pretty much any 1 even 2 leg books other than maybe wind sever

but even that is far from no1 since it didnt have leg book.

[hearty ether]

@astral tendon did u stop playing

[astral tendon]

no

[silk beacon]

did u enjoy

playing lyn bm with steroids

[astral tendon]

a class that deals damage that i can only dream off

[hearty ether]

congratssssss

[silk beacon]

[astral tendon]

while being easier to play

[hearty ether]

wish we had light bd's cr

[astral tendon]

i do 200k while not crossing, stay one side and be a cc bot

this bd deals 270k while being on crossing duty everytime.

12k crit, with almost 90% crit rate

what a lovely class

[astral tendon]

just make stone slash 12 seconds cd then puncture lightning and slashers are saved

maybe not puncture

still gonna bo sh1t

[somber kiln]

huh, you rerolled?

[odd dagger]

diff acc

[wind merlin]

yeah and one zulia and RK , right ? 😄

[astral tendon]

3 hong should be aright for crit rate, switch to dawncrest set doesnt necesarrily give more crit rate, i guess you can replace one of the jinsoyun set with the 3%/8% one.

[analog yarrow]

best combo so far

[wind merlin]

@analog yarrownot for classes without build in crit rate

14% would put most hs bms on around 45%

not enough

i would swap the 2 jynso sets for unwavering conviction and the four guardian

[analog yarrow]

I need one more purple card to activate The secret of Dawncrest

I can test it out once I got it

[wind merlin]

do you mean the 1245 life drain ?

its op

[odd dagger]

you see this pic in every class channel

but each class has its own buffs which affects how efficient a card stat is

[analog yarrow]

No, the new 4 card set one

I have 52% crit rate when not in combat, so in my case 2% crit rate trade for 12% crit dmg it’s very good

[wind merlin]

@analog yarrownot picking drain is a big mistake

[silver moth]

Really big

[wind merlin]

admittedly i have only 16k crit rate, but thats 31% vs bosses my lvl

[silver moth]

[wind merlin]

and thats really bad

[silver moth]

Give everyone 40% flat crit like bd

[wind merlin]

or give everyones SP and 13ap mod skills xD

imagine 13ap mod HS hah

[analog yarrow]

i have all that except for this one

[wind merlin]

Get the 1245 life first. Then zulia set. If you have RK take champions of darkness( 1 card gives 3% crit flat) and then finish the RK set for the extra 8% crit DMG. And only then proceed with that set.

[astral tendon]

imagine cant hit raven king with 90% crit with 12k crit stats

what a trash class

should be deleted

[wind merlin]

@astral tendon I don't follow.

[obsidian steeple]

buff bm

[silver moth]

Delete it is better

[odd dagger]

so 8 piece sage wood with block as 3rd stat would give Fire BM 25k additional DPS

Slasher gains 8.1k DPS

these are assuming high cr and cd.
For Slasher having block or piercing is almost similar in DPS increase.
The lower your gear, stronger block is.

Lightning gains 27k additional DPS

[silver moth]

Yeah, lightning and fire got most effective in theory

Moreover, it help u saving some healing pot

[odd dagger]

draw stance bm kinda popping off with sagewood

almost every other class gains like

3-4% dps

while we get 12%+ DPS (for a 28k sf pleb)

and block barely increases SF. its like raw unaltered power.

[silk beacon]

why u say "we"

arent u DL traitor

susge

[odd dagger]

[silk beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-accordion-gif-8064266313078423585

[astral tendon]

We question mark

would be better if the sub stats damage is effected by gm

[silver moth]

It not?

Shiet

[odd dagger]

nah

its flat values only boosted by crit/cdmg stuff

[silver moth]

Damn, so it not really good i guess

[odd dagger]

its still insane for 3rd stat

it maxes out at 50k dps ?

just from SS stat

[astral tendon]

The 37.5 from skill points also works right

Or not

idk from top of my head they work

[odd dagger]

dont think so, was hitting exactly 414 dmg from block.
was the same as the 0.34 x 1221(myblock)

actually , wait maybe my alt dont have points in slasher lmao

ok let me try again

nop, it doesnt get boosted from skill point, still 414

[silver moth]

BM is not being save

[honest haven]

crafted dragontongue and tds leggy 🥲 do they sell these days

[odd dagger]

yes

[honest haven]

[hearty ether]

reduce 4 cd to 12 sec thx ncsoft

[somber kiln]

Yeah right 😂

Thats almost 100% uptime 🤔

With leg

[hearty ether]

good, thats what we'd need to keep up anyway

[odd dagger]

DT and lightning gonna pop off

[slim mortar]

Pls make dt aoe

[somber kiln]

Slasher might drop to lower bm dps that way

But overall class boost

But slasher is the only spec i can play with my ping anyway

As long as they don't change the playstyle for the worst

[unique valley]

It’s time to buff BD

[honest haven]

yes, so buy my leggy tds and dt!

its getting super buffed trust me

[hearty ether]

buff hatta, nerf pikachu

[analog yarrow]

Update, 5%crit rate vs 3% crit rate and 12% crit dmg. 1.46% increased in dmg, 1.57% increased in dps. Test object> zaiwei red dummy

[honest haven]

this scam box event has been surprisingly good to me

can't have opened much more than 50-60 boxes since it started and I transmuted both stone slash and a hs just now

[wind merlin]

@unique valley light bd needs to get 0% flat crit or DMG reduced by 50%. Can't have it t both.

[sly orbit]

WTS NA

[odd dagger]

oh didnt notice the high block stat on new SS psyches to.

so its possible to get like another 10k dps of from it.

[somber kiln]

CD/Block on high end 🫡

[honest haven]

BRO https://i.imgur.com/cprbBiv.png

7 more tickets from yday

[somber kiln]

Thinking bout this box gets me depressed

274 tries and one leggy

Honed slash

😭

[honest haven]

if it makes you feel better, both my free leggys were crap

[somber kiln]

Im not tooo mad

Bc i heard soon we get the book swap event

But i feel they'll find some way to make it depressing asf to do

[honest haven]

whats this about a book swap event

😮

[hybrid goblet]

what is ?

[honest haven]

so I should keep my tradables for that?

[elfin fossil]

double class change

[honest haven]

ah

should probably be a while no

[elfin fossil]

in KR they got another 2 class change tickets 2 days ago

[honest haven]

O.o

[elfin fossil]

so it will come to us probably in 2 months

[elfin fossil]

you will be able to exchange both tradable and bound books using 2 class change tickets

but the tradable books will become bound

[honest haven]

well each of them are like 2/3 or less the cost of a hs, so I assume it should be worth to make em bound regardless if I plan on selling em to buy my books (maybe through hajoon selector or smth)

hmm

thanks for the heads up, I'll keep it in mind

[elfin fossil]

ye I forgot, KR also got some "book re-challenge" events
craft a random skill box by sacrificing book you have already along with a ticket from Hajoon boxes

lately KR doesn't want to give guaranteed Leg skill Selection boxes even in paid events

for example this one

but it's kinda trash cuz you first have to buy a 30 gold box to even obtain this ticket

with a 2% chance

and you get a random skill box in the end by sacrificing one of your trash books for this

[honest haven]

hm yea that doesn't look great, but if you get a double voucher to switch class its super worth to keep em

[elfin fossil]

They added class change voucher last patch and removed them this patch.
That voucher is temporary so we cannot really keep them long term

unless they decide to rename old "Expired Class Change Voucher" back into ➡️ "Class Change Voucher"

[sick bison]

they added them back to KR 2 days ago, 2 more in stock

so we'll get it within the next 2 months

though I do think it's kinda dumb that they only give a total of 36 skill exchange coupons

making people pay ungodly amounts of gold to class change

[elfin fossil]

I already said that above

[sick bison]

selling a full change for 20k gems would be cheaper, and they'd make more, lol

[sick bison]

Ah didn't read the above, though why would it matter if it's temporary, if we get them every 2 months, people can just save the random books like caliburne mentioned

[elfin fossil]

ye, you're right

[golden sedge]

Ncoin to buy class change, gold to buy additional skill book tickets. Keep on milking

[unique valley]

Buff BD

[astral tendon]

i still have the last free one in the mail box

hopefully someone replace me in raid so i can uninstall

[astral tendon]

Before the next class change

[fickle vortex]

anyone has extra Sunstroke for sell?

[honest haven]

96 HS 30 SS, do I just aim for more HS or is SS a better upgrade for next leggy?

I suppose keep stacking hs but the 48 effect looks juicy and past 100 stacks hs falls off a bit anyway

if its a wash I'd probably prefer 48

right

[odd dagger]

HS until 150

then 48

48 gives you a nice burst but its not significant enough for HS build until you hit the GM diminishing returns for HS.

[honest haven]

would be nice to know the number diffs if anyone knows

cuz 0.7 per stack hs (I lose 6 from purple too) vs 50% crit dmg per 30 sec seems idk

close?

I get that its worse but

maybe the QoL of bursting is better

if its 1-2% diff

its just one book after all

[odd dagger]

wats ur

normal CR on bosses

[honest haven]

no clue

I do have a 5% crit bond tho

[odd dagger]

id say 48 then

bit high rolling but its fine

[honest haven]

high rolling?

then again

I imagine I will get a bunch of random leggys until 150 hs

if I get another ss that would suck

so maybe the smartest choice is hs

dmg aside

thanks that made me more certain

[odd dagger]

377k DPS vs 401k DPS

48 SS 96 HS vs 114 HS 30 SS

[slow mesa]

wts na pmo

[wind merlin]

Hs BM is one of those animals you have to be super lucky to make it work aka card bonds

If you don't have luck just change to something else

BM without flat crit is like summoner without hammers and pin

It's there surely, but you would be just fine without

Unless you are really bad and need that hmb cuz of skill issues( kinda like relying on besties to stay alivez except cd)

Prove me wrong if you can. Where do you exactly need hmb for ?

Only dungeon perhaps would be Wolfy for col. If pattern/ mech is the same as in star stone mines, than hmb would be just relief.

[golden sedge]

Touch grass friend, nobody cares

[odd dagger]

fist for punches, cause getting CCed is a dps loss.
Not every class has block on 1sec cd.

For bibong exploding puddles. HMB gives you free full resist without consuming charge.

Wolf, it enables ur tank to do dps if it wasnt a kfm/counter DL.

[slender pecan]

its only me thinking bms 1 its faster animation than kfm kfm has some kind of late response

[odd dagger]

i think thats mostly because almost everything in bm is ani canceled into block.

[slender pecan]

ı was thinkin its slow bec other skills animations while happening cant use ct ok..

[astral tendon]

issue is bd also have hmb so bm is not required

[unique valley]

It would be nice if BD had a HMB built into their parry skill like BM does… 😔

Buff BD

[astral tendon]

Roll to bm then

If you think bd is that sh1t and bm is great

[unique valley]

But I want to be a Lyn

[somber kiln]

Hmmm so bd needs focus to hmb

Tab into hmb right?

[unique valley]

Yeah it sucks

Takes me out of drawstance too

[silver moth]

BM too

But no one care about draw build so... Meh

[wind merlin]

@silver moth there is a bunch of fire and light BM's

BD does like 50% + DMG over BM. Why would you even bother getting a BM is beyond me. Unless they're senso/riven type of gear.

Also what is that flash step on bd with 165 ap mod?

[silver moth]

Lightning is good now, at least u can farm f8

I doubt about fire

[wind merlin]

@silver moth imagine farming msp with DT, eww.

[silver moth]

Me...