Blade Master

[astral tendon]

Stack past 165 is almost meaningless

And slasher trigger it the fastest

[silk beacon]

for me ( and most of the ppl) that skill doesnt exists

[astral tendon]

It should be the no cd version at the beginning

I mean tbf it doesn’t exist for me either

[silk beacon]

dont get jebaited

maybe do 1 tap for fun

but after that tap there wont be any fun

[astral tendon]

I tapped too many leg chest in that regard

Is not fun for sure

[silk beacon]

x)

[astral tendon]

1 tap maybe if I get a few trash

If I somehow 1 tap the book maybe I survive the game a bit longer

Otherwise just weekly raid and log off

Similar to the past few weeks

Can’t even be bothered for wb most of the time

[silk beacon]

well since im light wb doesnt matter much to me rn

really hard to get into top10

with current state of the spec

lets see how it is tomorrow

even tho my cards still s*ck alot

[silk beacon]

if u get it 1st tap, just dont get baited for it and try more

x)

[winged reef]

It’s a fairly decent buff. I’d mention the stone slash buff but that applies to every build

[astral tendon]

not fire

[silk beacon]

if they only put

[astral tendon]

puncture is like a half buff

bd is useless for puncture still

[silk beacon]

6 secs instead of 3 secs BD buff on tab

for more bd uptime build would be 10/10

[winged reef]

Don’t you get 10s from 4 with your stacks?

It’s not too bad

[silk beacon]

yes

[astral tendon]

tbh you kind of have bd majority of the time

[silk beacon]

but still missing

[odd dagger]

which patch did it get changed

[astral tendon]

when they release the 2nd wave

[odd dagger]

cause we are getting the buffed DL patch

[astral tendon]

of bullsh1t books

if it is only bm

[odd dagger]

oh

[winged reef]

If it were like the VT badge it’d be goated

[astral tendon]

them it should be the no cd version

but does it matter

[silk beacon]

kinda ye

[astral tendon]

what bm will get it

none

[odd dagger]

bm top 6-10 is just crit rng

[silk beacon]

i dont have any crit rate/dmg % card set bonus yet

[astral tendon]

the only bm that 1 of that book gives more damage than another leg book is me, even senso, puncutre kinda need 3

[silk beacon]

kekw

[astral tendon]

only slasher can survive with 1 pretty much.

well also dt

cos fast and high stacks.

but i doubt riven gonna go for it

just hope senso is not online

chifusas is already out pretty much for most night

im out for at least half of them

senso is out from time to time as well

thats 3 more top 10 lol

[odd dagger]

isnt nerfed version of it best with puncture

yea but bm top 6-15 probably does literally same dmg

[astral tendon]

is only cd nerf, it kinda works in ligthning's favor.

puncture can also get it pretty consistently within 10 sec before the cd thing.

[odd dagger]

puncture will always have the boosted crit rate for it

feels like it be really strong.

[astral tendon]

well i mean pre nerf is like 20% overall dps.

for puncture

[silk beacon]

10% extra crit rate is tastyge

[astral tendon]

with 3 books

so 1 is not gonna be huge for any build.

guess usable

i guess the nerf hit hs the most in that case

ni crit rate and lose the faster trigger

bullsh1t game

[hearty ether]

@astral tendon would u know what type of hajoon we get & if its pity driven?

[astral tendon]

Idk

I didn’t ask for kr info for a long time

[uneven kernel]

Is searing still better than Stone for fire after stone Buff and Searing nerf?

[dry bane]

So how can one try the big skill couldn’t find it before heading out

[hearty ether]

gotta transmute it first

[odd dagger]

8 leggy page 5%

[dry bane]

Might be trippin but I did not have the option in transmute

[odd dagger]

oh

u are right

its not there in transmute

uh

2 lmb isnt boosting slasher anymore

[quiet otter]

That was a bug

They just fixed it

[vague estuary]

WTS PM ME EU

[astral tendon]

fix it after a year

[languid stratus]

What’s the rotation for slasher?

[quiet otter]

hold rmb

[silk beacon]

rmb go brrrrrrrrrrr

[odd dagger]

the lmb change is so ass

[quiet otter]

there's no change, lmb wasn't supposed to exist

[odd dagger]

L ragebait

[winged reef]

@silk beacon show me your new big pp dps

[gilded thistle]

[silk beacon]

well show

cant really show unless i wanna get muted tho

[gilded thistle]

Good times

[silk beacon]

it was around 270k 1m on dummy according to my own calculations

[winged reef]

Yea what I meant to say was show me the math you did with all your combat log

[silk beacon]

480k now

[winged reef]

Sounds pretty good

[silk beacon]

i just calculated

[winged reef]

Damn

What a whale

[silk beacon]

because im good on maths

[silk beacon]

thats only because i crit alot on the dummy

i dont have any crit rate % card set so on normal dungs it will go down like crazy

since i still have focus issues if i dont crit

but dont have gold rn to fix mantras, need other stuff first XD

[astral tendon]

Why everyone is saying doubled

When math doesn’t look like it’s double

was doing 500k+ on dummy before

[gilded thistle]

So 1 mil now?

[winged reef]

270 to 480 isnt really double

Plus high rate on a dummy

[astral tendon]

Is all like 50-60% on paper at least as far as i can remember , 270 to 480 is close to 80%

[silk beacon]

but just due to high crit rate on dummy

[astral tendon]

Crit rate on dummy before and after change would be the same right

[odd dagger]

480 is insane

[winged reef]

Bns math never checks out. Plus you’re relying on the fact the devs implemented the buffs correctly

[odd dagger]

i only went from 220 to 345 on HS

[astral tendon]

That’s about correct for hs, 50-60%

[loud hinge]

I need advice guys. I have 9 leg books in total (5 are usable). I plan to swap class back and forth to switch to HS build. That will run me about ~2k5 gold (40k worth of dg) to buy book vouchers. Should i go for it?

[astral tendon]

Do tradable book got converted after 1 change or not

[loud hinge]

They all will be bound

I only have 2 tradable ones

[astral tendon]

if you switch might as well just switch to lightning bd and play the superior class

Save 1 switch

[loud hinge]

How about fm is wtd still op in kr?

[astral tendon]

No

Fm is not even top 5 anymore

also you will need all the crit rate card set in n the world to play similar to hs

Since no in built crit rate

In fact they rely on it more since hs due to the high hit count, your damage won’t vary that much due to crit rate

Wtd, massive difference between 35% and 50% crit rate on wtd, and both can happen

[languid stratus]

You cant swap from bm to bm, so double voucher, additional 3,5k ncoin

[astral tendon]

id just ignore it

I don’t have another 50 shinma iron to deal with the bullsh1t core

[hearty ether]

id say overall close to 60-50k dps increase?

(on yeti)

[astral tendon]

If it is only 60k what’s the point

I’m already doing 240 on yeti

[hearty ether]

for me personally anyway 😭 without upgrading anything

[astral tendon]

I’ll see if I can solo yeti with 0 upgrade

[red osprey]

https://youtu.be/TtKSBb06KyM?si=C0B3vwmaH_iGPszh

You are definitely stronger

[loud hinge]

That’s why i’m saying back and forth

[analog yarrow]

I tried, it won’t let u perform class change without selecting a skill to change. I selected all the gears but no skill book yesterday, it won’t work.

[loud hinge]

Double vouchers isn’t enough because the extra gold spend for book vouchers. 9 pcs/leg and 1 pc/purp.
i have 9 leg, 9 purp => 54 + 9 = 63 vouchers. Package only gives 18 vouchers => 45 x 25g = 1125g extra gold spend

[loud hinge]

Right, you have to “ completely “ swap. Then buy another package 3k5 ncoin to swap back

[analog yarrow]

I haven’t try take out all the equipped skills yet or just change 1 purple

Not sure if that will work. Assume it needs at least one skill selected, then might just do one purple

[loud hinge]

I did. It won’t consume any of your vouchers unless you finish swapping

You select any book you’re having in your character to swap them

Per leg book costs 9 book vouchers

Purp costs 1

If you want to swap 20-30 books. It doesn’t matter as long as you have enough voucher

[analog yarrow]

Yeah, I know how double change works. Just I got stuck in the first stage, changing to another class without converting any books.

[loud hinge]

The system will not let you. Every voucher must be used.

I tried to use class voucher only. But nc is smarter than we thought

[analog yarrow]

Ah, I see. That sucks tho.

[silk beacon]

After leaving Ancient Lunar Meadow, u always get tped to zaiwei instead of wherever your character was before, is that suposed to be a thing or its a bug?

[loud hinge]

I could windstride from msp lobby. Just in case you haven’t tried it

[silk beacon]

i didnt try, thx!

[odd dagger]

what do u mean every voucher

can u not choose to convert all books?

[loud hinge]

Will you skip converting your books if you intent to swap class?

[odd dagger]

for double swap

but why would u not use acc ones

[loud hinge]

I do double swap because i also want to switch build

[odd dagger]

well u get all swap vouchers as a pack though

no need to save it

[loud hinge]

Yep

[loud hinge]

Here is why i want to do double swap

My current build is punct

[analog yarrow]

Adrian, from what I’ve read so far,you did a double class change right? So my understanding of this whole process is u use all the vouchers from the pack 1 to change to another class and use pack 2 to swap back and change the spec right? So there’s no way you can save the vouchers from pack 1 to use it later with pack 2 when u change back?

[loud hinge]

Tbh, i haven’t tried to save book vouchers. Not sure if the system let me through.
And i intent to switch build, so that i want to turn all punct build books (including 4 trash leggy books) to HS when i swap back because 13/18 books what i own right now are bound.
25g per voucher to swap 1 purple book x2 = 50g. Still cheaper than buying a HS on F5

[analog yarrow]

Tysm Adrian!

[loud hinge]

A free swap set doesn’t mean free at all. Cuz you will end up spending extra gold for the needed books

[analog yarrow]

you do get an icon on the bottom right like this to change books later on after the class change right? i wonder whats the duration for the period?

[loud hinge]

No idea, I haven’t swapped yet

Still hanging around and ask for advice

[loud hinge]

@primal hound did you get this icon after you swapped bruh?

[analog yarrow]

Ah, i see, same here. Might just wait till you receive the stream leg book

[loud hinge]

What is the stream leg book?

[analog yarrow]

from yesterday stream

[loud hinge]

I didnt watch the stream

[harsh belfry]

should be 1 week

[odd mantle]

in order to swap books, they have to be of the class you are swapping from, so if you are respecing you need to swap them to new class to be able to swap them back when you go back to original class

[dry bane]

My parsing shows a 60% DPS increase for my DT build. Does anyone have values for HS?
Same Gear/Books everything.

[odd dagger]

had 56% for me on HS

[dry bane]

Ok ty!

[astral tendon]

I can check when I’m at home ig

[silk beacon]

wtf

wrong ch lemao

[astral tendon]

Didn’t touch the game yesterday

[ebon frost]

@astral tendon if wanna build HS do need use stone slash , or just can only HS

[odd dagger]

30 GM stone slash is good esp with badge buff

but to hit 30 GM , its only really worth with 2 leggy stones

[ebon frost]

oke ty .

[astral tendon]

Dont bother with purple, 1 leg is usable if you somehow get a random bound

[odd dagger]

1 purple is fine tbh

u can always combo with blade storm

[ebon frost]

so if i dont have stone slash legg i dont need to use it

?

[ebon frost]

aa oke

[astral tendon]

I guess is fine now since badge gives stone slash damage

[fickle salmon]

draw stance gives like 500sf lol

[odd dagger]

oh

[astral tendon]

ok

[odd dagger]

thats why i get free sf

[astral tendon]

im hitting 800k for 1 min

burst is 1.3mil or something

during the first stone slash

stone slash is kinda broken no

didnt touch anything

[odd dagger]

feels good to have some burst

[ebon frost]

I'm still confused , i have 2 leggy . n will swap . how good is it , 2 HS leggy n purple for Stone slash or every one must legg

[visual kite]

What is Dragon Blaze Frenzy?

[odd dagger]

dragon tongue

[primal hound]

that button gives u a week to rechange any books in case you don't like the build

at a cost of 225g per leggy book

[hushed briar]

WTS

[astral tendon]

380k on yeti

use to be 240

a bit more than 50%

at the beginning is quite good tho

800k something

for 6 seconds.

but the depressing thing is, lightning bd would do 500k with the same gear

[quiet otter]

Easy fix, play bd

Or spear, that thing must be like 2 mil

[astral tendon]

wind kfm, light bd and shadow wl are all above spear

spear is like 4th

but still miles ahead of bm lol

[quiet otter]

When have you seen a new class not being above all others? they always release it being ultra giga op and then nerf it

[astral tendon]

assuming devs actually knows their number outside of wb

They don’t

So spear is not above everything

I think with this update, normal build don’t have 100% crit on wb anymore

[quiet otter]

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-you-should-leave-tim-robinson-you-sure-sure-sure-about-that-gif-10141155136692995405

[astral tendon]

forgot to look at it

But I didn’t get double damage on wb so it’s probably that, idk why my damage doubled on dummy

[odd dagger]

yes wb is now lvl 70 or higher

no longer free for HS

its probably more actual ranking of classes again.

[harsh belfry]

World boss massive hp increase and level too as i crit on it less now

[quiet otter]

They should do the same to monarch, it melts faster than butter on a pan

[odd dagger]

honestly does it really matter for monarch

well maybe it does

[quiet otter]

ofc it matters, you won't get anything unless you live in msp

2 loading screens and running a thousand miles

dead when you get there

[astral tendon]

Tbh with the damage now

monarch dies in seconds

[quiet otter]

Exactly

[gilded thistle]

I doubt they'll do something in the immediate future, KR monarch still dies in a couple of seconds

[odd dagger]

kr monarch has an announcement b4 spawn

which fixes most things anyway

[quiet otter]

that would help

5 mins before it spawns

[errant geode]

Hello where is the change class npc ?

[harsh belfry]

Mushins tower

[errant geode]

oh did'nt see him, i'll look again ty

oh found him

[errant geode]

In order to double swap, can I just unequip all my gear and swap just my book then swap back to my original class ?

or am I supposed to swap all my gear each time ?

[quiet otter]

Everything

[errant geode]

ok ok thx !

[odd dagger]

what if u dont have a piece of gear?

what if u seal all ur gear and sent to ur alt

[errant geode]

yeah like my reasonning was : if I just unequip my gear, extract the leg skill I wanna swap. I just swap the leg skill and change class and maybe all of my gear is still in my inventory but I can't use it cuz it's BM only. So I just swap back and done but if all the gear is lost in the process it's f

[odd dagger]

honestly ill jst test it in an alt char

[errant geode]

yeah i felt like doing science but don't have the money to waste and divine gem

[odd dagger]

gonna try on my tw char in a bit will let u know

[errant geode]

oh ok nice

[valid cradle]

If you do want to do that buy ncoin, not divine gems

[odd dagger]

scratch that , taiwan got scammed, they dont get free transfer

[valid cradle]

Weird difference

Thanks rownen?

[odd dagger]

where the haters that say NA/EU has it the worst

[silk beacon]

Rownen tries hard to give us stuff, but its KR after all the one who decides

His spin skills are also way better than TW ones

[valid cradle]

So people on TW paid to brick their game with the class change?

[errant geode]

oof alright rip TW I guess...

[errant geode]

Ok so what I thought works, I did it anyway.
So since I just had 1 leggy I wanted to swap, I used the 18 skill book vouchers just to swap the leggy into any of the new class. Before swapping I did unequip all my gear and put it in my bank as it is.
When I swapped to the new class all of my BM gear was still in the bank untouched.
So I just swapped back into BM and used the vouchers left to swap my leggy back into "stone slash" which I wanted.
What that means is : if you don't want to swap all your skills while double swapping back to your original class you can save vouchers by just unequipping the skills you wanna swap and just swap those skills only while you double change class.
I hope I'm clear enough and that helps some people maybe.

obviously you have to buy a class change with n coin which means you will have 36 skill book vouchers total

[dry bane]

I thought someone mentioned you are forced to use all skillbook-vouchers, I assume this disproves it?

[odd dagger]

yea this is what would happen? like how would they force people to swap stuff if its not there

feels like people jst assume the summary as some rule.

[errant geode]

I just did it so apparently no unless nc soft messed up again XD

[errant geode]

obviously it was an expected result but I somehow was unsure cuz you never know, especially in BnS

[odd dagger]

why did ya swap b4 the free book today

[errant geode]

cuz that way I'll have 2 stone slash instead of 1

hopefully

and most of all

I didn't know we would get it today

[languid stratus]

Do we have to have books which are gonna be swap equipped on any item on character or just in inventory?

[odd dagger]

no u dont need

even warehouse works

[errant geode]

I just had it in my inventory

[languid stratus]

So take out all items, put it in bank, take out books which we gonna swap and get them in inventory then do double swap

[errant geode]

yes that's what I did

[languid stratus]

Just don’t wanna mess it up Xd

Since got 2 bound punctures and want to make them to stone slashes

[errant geode]

normally with the 36 vouchers from both free and paid class change you'd have enough to swap them

[languid stratus]

Good

Hope they will keep it for a bit

Still need Bp to get purple slashers Xd

[loud hinge]

i didnt watch the stream. Wondering if i'm eligible to receive it

[odd dagger]

u dont need to watch anything

[loud hinge]

nice

[brazen light]

When to send the leg book from stream

[hearty ether]

no one knows sadly maybe today

[astral tendon]

Tbh I can concert my bound puncture and searing slash to hs and sell 2 hs

I’d probably make some gems by doing that

Or maybe not cos they bound and need buy additional tickets to convert

or maybe just reroll to lightning bd convert all the book sell all remaining hs and do 50% more damage

[valid cradle]

People say that bound doesnt need more tickets than tradeable

[red osprey]

You can make a Windsever MSP Set with the remaining HS lol

[silk beacon]

im even considering swaping to hs

coz being -50% crit rate is making me crazy

dmgwise

x.xx

[hearty ether]

probably the best minmax strat 💀

[astral tendon]

Sub 50% for hs is also sh1t especially after they fixed the ‘bug’

[silk beacon]

Q_Q

idk what to do ngl

[loud hinge]

they cost the same 9 vouchers per leg book

[hearty ether]

-50% crit rate on what?

[silk beacon]

new dungs

well around 50% average

[hearty ether]

how much do u do on yeti?

[silk beacon]

idk like 57 or smething?

[hybrid willow]

yes buts still the best spec for bm

[honest haven]

any leggy honed slashers in chat 💀

[hybrid willow]

got it bound

[astral tendon]

It felt sh1t

damage still ok I guess

[hybrid willow]

compare to other class y

but just for bm

[astral tendon]

at least still better than sum

And now you can add fm in it

Fm are also in the dirt

Every other classes have at least one spec that out performs bm by a huge margin

[silk beacon]

63% did just now

[hearty ether]

thts pretty good!

[silk beacon]

i have 0 crit rate card sets tho

maybe just lucky run

[tacit star]

for puncture do u want to go 48 stone slash or 18 enough ?

[silk beacon]

well 48 stone slash is really good itself tho

[tacit star]

obviously is, question is if 2x leg SS > 2x leg punctures

[silk beacon]

kinda depends on how many puncture gm stacks u have already, im light so cant really say the aprox number

[astral tendon]

Is either 18 or 48

[astral tendon]

30 is useless

[quiet otter]

You guys gonna get banned, don't do it

[winged reef]

Good book. Now I can uninstall again

[silver moth]

My is Horned Slash

2 times, this game not welcome me comeback

[covert cedar]

anyone playing TDS?

[odd dagger]

i know 2 people who do

[covert cedar]

how is it comparable to DT and HS?

[odd dagger]

seemed pretty strong for their gear

[quiet otter]

Why so many bms are spear now? lol

There's gonna be a lack of hmb

hmb on demand

[odd dagger]

Dunno, eu is still stacked on bms

[languid stratus]

So is it worth to swap from bm to bd?

probly dont wanna waste 35$ to swap back and forth and got 4 useless bound leggys

[odd dagger]

there is nothing "worth" in this game if getting top dps in pt is ur goal, do it

[languid stratus]

i mean, as i said dont wanna wast more money hah, but it would be sad to waste 4 leggys

ofc i could just salvage them and craft 1 random

[honest haven]

granted i sold half my dts but i barely reach top 40 now kek

plus i play with 1 hand ig, broke my arm this week

at least i got a leggy honed slash

catching right up

[languid stratus]

1 question guys, when u are changing class, we're getting time to swap books to another right? so if I would swap class, craft 2 random books from those 100g books, will I be able to swap them to any since they would be bound?

[odd dagger]

yes u can swap whatever leggy books u have for the class u jst swapped to

as long as its from that class

[languid stratus]

Yeah, for example I would swap to bd

Craft those 2 random leggies from jackpot boxes

And I could just swap them writhin this 160h

Well, i looks crazy ngl

[astral tendon]

sh1t book

now i should uninstall

[astral tendon]

[unique valley]

can anyone share BM puncture macro?

[odd dagger]

why is foshi in bm channel

this is forbidden zone

no rats allowed

[unique valley]

i need to test the sunder

[hearty ether]

give

[unique valley]

[dry bane]

you sure?

[hearty ether]

full dt so strong wth

[astral tendon]

tbh id lose if my boss decide to jump the 3rd time

still sh1t book tho

doesnt change that

[odd dagger]

werent u both on same ch

[gilded thistle]

Still, Riven pumping

[astral tendon]

pretty sure no

he was ahead for a while he would have aggro if we are in the same channel

[dry bane]

yeah longgui is no measurement for sure just saw the picture above 🫰

[astral tendon]

the book doesnt even say bound

classic

[gilded thistle]

I mean, we're playing NEO

[astral tendon]

[gilded thistle]

You're expecting everything to work as intented?

[odd dagger]

its ok rematch tmr , same time same ch dt vs hs

[astral tendon]

tbh now is probably the most accurate

[odd dagger]

yea they match end game dungeons

[astral tendon]

he basically has the same stats as me now

i have 10 more ap he has 300 more cd

so the only difference would be book

[odd dagger]

u have better card set and soul

[astral tendon]

not card lol

[odd dagger]

since hes still running the wb one

[astral tendon]

in fact i probably have worse card

[odd dagger]

vs mortal enemies

[astral tendon]

dont have the 88ap set

[dry bane]

i also did not tank btw

I enjoy fm tanking

[gilded thistle]

oof

that can be rough

[dry bane]

nah he is insane

[odd dagger]

eh i think thats smaller diff cause u still ahve more ap in the end

but u have mortal enemies + another CD 15% set

while he has jst cr 3% from wb

dunno how big is that difference

but should be close enuff

[astral tendon]

Probably wb is actually somewhat accurate now i only have like 60 something % crit

Use to be 100

[unique valley]

[silk beacon]

they need to buff more light

its not enought

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1128107387241365646.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=8bitpeepoJetDance

[astral tendon]

all builds have similar single target dps atm anyway

[silk beacon]

wich i could get just a little bit more bd efect time from tab

if no crit focus became a big issue

and i cant afford wb weap

unlucky

[astral tendon]

the crit thing is for everyone but dt

[forest mountain]

Thinking of rolling to slasher from sin, what other skills do I need apart from stone slash?

[odd dagger]

flock of blades , sun stroke

[forest mountain]

And parry, right? Do i also need cyclone or nah

[odd dagger]

yes if u want hmblock

nothing else

[astral tendon]

flock is more of a qol, not necesarry

i cast flock a LOT less now since the removal of the lmbx2 boost

[twin wren]

it's that little chain icon

[twin wren]

so what's the best build now to make use of dragon effect and have good max rmb boost?

[loud hinge]

honed slash

[astral tendon]

Just stone slash 30 and sun stroke

Flocks and blade storm if you are not tanking I guess

[twin wren]

rn im using flock, HS and searing slash. I just live with what i got so far but now i might want to consider rebuilding

[astral tendon]

Searing is useless for the other 3 builds

Since your def reduction does not stack with sum anymore

Well at least they are not suppose to stack now

Unless you have 30 for focus recovery

[twin wren]

I know about that. I usually talk to my summoner about this and we split timings when he is on downtime

[astral tendon]

Otherwise might as well just run a purple stone

They should have it up perma

[twin wren]

that would be pretty helpful

[astral tendon]

But stone have that with the base leg book

So unless you somehow got 2 bound searing then you can consider

[twin wren]

i see

[twin wren]

As a HS user what do u accurately test your damage and focus on? The dummies don't seem like the right thing to test build on.

[odd dagger]

def necessory when u only have 38-40% crit rate

most of us dont have free +15% CR

[silk beacon]

im kinda thinking on swaping to hs, on wb with the fps drop my anicancel became horrible and i do negative dps, and since i dont have any crit rate % card set, im having focus issues on bt eventually wich is another dps loss

but i would have to be on msp for 23h aprox

[uneven kernel]

nerf i mean no stack with summoner

[odd mantle]

it sux

so sad

ima have to switch too 😔

[silk beacon]

do u have crit rate % card sets?

[odd mantle]

10%

[silk beacon]

well than ur statement is better, i have 0 crit rate % cards

[still cloud]

Out of interest, If I were to use my 10 purp books (From BP) to switch to Slasher, would it be worth it? Currently Puncture 38GM. I have a purp sun stroke, stone slash, flock etc.

[odd mantle]

i was more saying the laggy anicancel sux

[odd mantle]

legendary book gets an extra focus on crit so maybe not

[still cloud]

Ah crap, of course. I always forget about that.

[odd mantle]

you could save em for when you do

[still cloud]

Good idea, aye. Thanks 🫡

[quiet otter]

But this guy nyaaderedere uses it

And he's top 1

[astral tendon]

I mean yeah qol

How many times he actually use flock? Probably not that much

I didn’t notice before but 2lmb boost is actually a lot faster than hold rmb to get back max boost cos you can actually cancel the animation of 2nd lmb

So is more like 1lmb straight back to max boost

So v is not gonna be a cast on cd thing like stone or sun stroke for sure

[quiet otter]

A friend is asking me but idk what to tell him. He asks what's better getting 2 leggy hs or 1 hs 1 stone

[astral tendon]

ideally 1 hs 2 stone

[quiet otter]

Why?

Shouldn't base dmg be better for sustained?

what if he gets 2 hs and gm 30 stone from purples?

[astral tendon]

purple stone doesnt have focus recovery

doesnt matter how many stacks you have

you can get 30 from purple but at least have 1 leg

[quiet otter]

Ok

[analog yarrow]

If u have focus issue, you can swap sunstroke to thunder drake stroke, that helps a little but u lose 3s bd effect

Also mantra there’s a focus recovery

[quiet otter]

I play puncture

[analog yarrow]

Oh good to know bro

[unique valley]

Can you share macro for Puncture?

[astral tendon]

Lightning tab is tenable before, with the bd multipler now is kinda griefing

Also Sun stroke gives 5 focus

[quiet otter]

check dm

[loud hinge]

Is it a fair trade if i replace 6 gm HS = blue honed slash? @astral tendon

[astral tendon]

IMO is not

Cos q/e situation is already pretty sh1t

You need that to even use honed slash

Without lmb boost your qe is on cd a lot already

[crude dock]

is using 1 leg lightning draw worth it for msp farming, or only if you get 48gm? I'm a dumb puncture player so msp is already bad

[astral tendon]

Only 48 cos of the aoe clearing speed

Because lightning draw does not have the badge damage

Is not even that much better compare to stone slash damage wise

If you do not have the reset

you can pair it with aoe daze from ligthning rod but that once per 60 seconds for puncture

[crude dock]

got it, another leg book for the sacrificial pyre then

[wooden rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ejzqm1KWjg

[twin wren]

hehe it's not me

[odd dagger]

man this wb has no more puncture representatives if Chifu swaps

[silk beacon]

xD

if i get enought energy and get gold fast enought maybe 1 light drops aswell

x)

but missing 1.8k weirdge

[gilded thistle]

[silk beacon]

chifu farm for me please

im weak

[gilded thistle]

i just got desynced into the abyss

game was unresponsive and only chat was working

rip my spot

[silk beacon]

rip

i got dced aswell

[gilded thistle]

still need like 1k for the swap

[silk beacon]

oof

[gilded thistle]

then 1.5k more for the rest

event boxes and transmutes

but once i have enough to swap all the books i'll send it

and continue the grind as pokey boi

surpisingly i didn't have to spend any money

[silk beacon]

lucky u

for me i might have to spend

if i wanna make it on time

XD

dont have energy to farm that much msp in this small amount of time

[hearty ether]

r u swapping to HS?

[gilded thistle]

Nah, swapping to spear

[silk beacon]

he going to a better class

[odd dagger]

hes going to be the better slasher

[dapper hedge]

and farming msp rn is a pain i never find a free spot atm

[gilded thistle]

++

I guess bed time then wake up at 3am to grind till work

[silk beacon]

indeed

[dapper hedge]

i guess saving up hourglasses for 75/80 mobs it is

[silk beacon]

i have only 6 hglasses

im screwed

[odd dagger]

if only the monarch can give me hourglass the few times i get to hit it

but nah

always essence

[red osprey]

How much less damage does HS BM make then Light bd/KFM at max gear? 20%?

[astral tendon]

are you dreaming>

to think you can do only 20% less than lightning bd and wind kfm

at least 50%

[unique valley]

i heard everything but puncture got big buffs

[astral tendon]

buffed by bm standard

all 4 bm builds are no way near the top 4-5 spec in the game

same gear des can still do 10% more without buff

basically lets take the new bullsh1t dungeon as example

a 27/28k lightning bd can easily do 300k

bm? good luck with 200k

worse if you dont have triple hong for crit rate

basically now the damage is like, you will do the same if you also have 90%+ crit rate under the same gear, but you dont, 60% something is all you get with triple hong.

puncture have higher but puncture number and stacking are crap so that kind of negate the crit buff.

[astral tendon]

bm use to do 50% less than wtd, after the buff they are similar, but then the real big buff classes are doing 50% more than old wtd, so nothing changed in term of bm positioning

[covert cedar]

Puncture and fire kfm rn

Anyone still playing puncture?

[odd mantle]

yea but probly switching soon

[odd dagger]

chifu is for now

[red osprey]

Is hs BM Ping reliant?

[astral tendon]

One of the better one in term of that you can get max count with relatively high ping

[quiet otter]

You need really low ping for lighting

[odd dagger]

only during the 1 sec of self boost after E. so mostly you will be hitting at same speed as low ping

[wooden rain]

technically that's 33% less not 50% less

[astral tendon]

That’s 3 hong vs 0 hong from the other class

technically true i guess

[silk beacon]

well im doing 200k on bibong but with summoner

49% crit rate

ig it was good run

for what my class+spec can do

[astral tendon]

What’s your sf

[silk beacon]

kinda thinking of swaping

but dunno if ill make gold in time since no hourglasses

[astral tendon]

Lightning bd with that will do around 300 with sum

[silk beacon]

well

390k did watamelone

watame's alt

xD

[astral tendon]

Well he has more sf

[silk beacon]

wind bd did 300k

but also stacked af

[astral tendon]

I mean yeah, I can also do 300 on a good run but not with 27k sf

[silk beacon]

264gm wind sever xd

[astral tendon]

And it also has to be a good run

Like perfect run otherwise would be 270/280

[silk beacon]

i believe on hs i should do more dmg?

[astral tendon]

Slightly more

Not much

[silk beacon]

thing is on wb light is so fckd

since fps drop anicancel goes to hell

hitting so slow

[astral tendon]

Assuming you already play with low pc mode

Then nothing you can do about it

[silk beacon]

ye im potato mode

DLSS on performance

[astral tendon]

I gave up on wb already if I login is gonna be top 10 and dip

If not then just skip probably mostly skip

[astral tendon]

On his main probably close to 500

Maybe more since he has like what +10 mystic already

[silk beacon]

close to that if i rmember correctly

460 ish if i remember okay

[astral tendon]

tbh the core would be more broken on lightning bd

[winged reef]

If you wanna do well in BnS where there are lots of people you can already expect to need a banger CPU

[astral tendon]

Cos storm cleave and lightning flash cdr

[winged reef]

Was the same thing with raids back then

[astral tendon]

Will be boosted by core

[odd dagger]

hot take, but bm should always be weaker than other classes

obviously aside from summoner

the class probably has the 2nd most supportive kits after sum

[astral tendon]

what kind of support are we talking about other than hmb

Which lightning bd also have access to

[wooden rain]

tanking obviously

[astral tendon]

‘Tanking’

When you need to have top dps to even tank

Leave that to wind kfm I mean

They do enough for that

Fire have defense reduction but forget about it now since it does not stack with sum

If you count deep wound or cc as supportive, cc can be done by multiple class, some even have double cc in build, bm only have 1 kd and 1 daze by default and if you are puncture you only have 1 daze

Deep wound sure, bm has it within the kit so I guess that count

Is not even on a skill you can replace

[odd dagger]

yes there is stuff that many classes can do

but u urself have access to a lot of stuff that many classes has to rely on others for

BM is like

jack of all trades

but master of none

[astral tendon]

Name one thing bm can do but bd can’t

[odd dagger]

it has projectile resist

bd dont

HMB is slightly better on bm , BD one doesnt heal

[astral tendon]

Oh yeah that

Even tho is only valid for slasher

[odd dagger]

and you can spec probably the best solo CC skill in the game

[astral tendon]

Fair enough

That for -50% damage

Surely reasonable

I guess it means something if there are actual solo content

[odd dagger]

really dont feel like 50% though

maybe 20-30

[astral tendon]

When max out its 50%

[odd dagger]

idk, where do u see the max out comparison

on wb, u were doing 1.1

watame did 1.35

hes slightly higher gear to

[astral tendon]

Wb is still not that accurate cos of crit

On bt is more than 50

Also dog and fist

Watame was doing like 550 on bt boss 2

I’m at 350 or something

Both class doesn’t really have burst

Infact I probably have more burst due to stone slash

I have a bit worse gear

He is also doing 460 on dog according to stone I assume that is an average run, my average run is probably 270

Again I have a worse gear, but that damage is also more than 50%

In the end

The difference would be lower

If the boss level is lower

If I have 100% crit it would be simlar

Bm burst is actually pretty good now

can keep up with broken classes for 6 seconds

[odd dagger]

also bm has some insane mobility (useful for msp)

[astral tendon]

That idk, is just ss and flash step

[odd dagger]

yea flash step and raid/rush

[astral tendon]

Most melee have short enough cd appoarch skill, maybe they don’t have flash step

But is not like you can use flash step to reposition whenever you want, still need a crit to trigger

[odd dagger]

well in msp

u will always have it

[astral tendon]

That’s true

[odd dagger]

i mean idk how strong LBD is rn but taking a 10-20% less dps

is completely fine

[astral tendon]

Ying is doing 10% more than me in dungeon

He has 300 less ap and a few card set less when he did that

with -4.5k sf

don’t think is hand issue cos how brain dead hs is and i hit max count anyway

I mean yeah a lot of lighting bd only do 10% more, with considerably worse gear

Suriv is also doing slightly more in bt

Basically similar to pre patch comparisons against wtd and des

When I was 28k, casual 23k fm will easily do more damage

Or des

[honest haven]

so im thinking ill do selector leggy hs and switch from dt, then with bp purples I'll have 11 purple selectors. Is it best to go full send HS with the purples or should I go for 30 stone slash after 48 hs?

[astral tendon]

I guess is not really worth if you can’t get 30 with 2 slots

[honest haven]

id have 66 hs leggy hs otherwise

id have to buy a couple purples to get flock + 30 stone/48 hs, otherwise 66 hs without buying any

so probably full sending hs ig

unless the stone slash buff is good enough

[odd mantle]

anyone know how to turn off just HS sound effect

[slim mortar]

mute game

[winged reef]

switch builds

[unique valley]

TDS BD when

[slim mortar]

Tds got a nice sound

[winged reef]

The best sound used to be from lmb, but neo doesn’t have it

[warm depot]

Any pro mfer knows if its worth going 30 gm stone slashino?

for lightning, using 2 leggies

@astral tendon

[astral tendon]

Lightning is the only build I never touched

[warm depot]

breh

[astral tendon]

That being said 10 sec bd is probably worth anyway

[warm depot]

yeh

ok doing it

prolly only worf using 2 leggies

otherwise way too expensivo

[astral tendon]

Slot wise yeah

[odd dagger]

I want purple slasher sound

Leggy sounds so dumb

[astral tendon]

Never heard purple sound

[odd dagger]

Its soo much cleaner

Instead of cutting with a saw sound leggy has.

[scenic badge]

@silk beacon Don't swap stay lightning

just rename audio file ez

[silk beacon]

why?

dont think i can make gold in time anywayys

[scenic badge]

lightning is fun bro

fk the damage xD

[silk beacon]

i get sick when fps drops to hell on wb or eventually new dungs and my anicancel gets rip

and for raid the more dmg the better

:c

[astral tendon]

Or skip wb

like me

[dapper hedge]

Tbh just go the higher channels i went from 10-20 fps on ch 1-5 to 50-60 on ch 6-10

Never ever going into the low channels again

[odd dagger]

then u wont have perma hammer on boss

[astral tendon]

For him doesn’t really matter that much des is kinda dead now

But with the higher level boss I guess the quality of the hammer in your channel also matters now

40% vs 50% also matters

lots of sum went for the bee speed hammer route

[dapper hedge]

But does hammer even count on wb dmg meter

[odd dagger]

um if u hit for 80k instead of 65k , why would it not count

[dapper hedge]

Welp then i guess but since i am 0,2% ahead from the rest

Dosen't really matter for me atm

[dapper hedge]

Or actually it's probably more important for me to get my full rage extend instead of hammer bcs with 20 fps i ain't getting my full extend out

[gilded thistle]

Smash me when?

i mean what

[dapper hedge]

[gilded thistle]

[dapper hedge]

I wanna try the purp hs

[gilded thistle]

Did you end up getting the bp on the bm?

[dapper hedge]

Gonna take so long to get bp done

[gilded thistle]

I mean, it can take a few clicks

if you rich enough

[odd dagger]

jst try on someone else

[dapper hedge]

Yeh i got it

[gilded thistle]

i got the purples if you want to try it on mine

but you have to cover book removal by grinding with it

even have a few leggies for you to try if you want

[dapper hedge]

I mean don't wanna waste the 10 purple books from bp coins so i was thinking what i wanna try out

And bm is fun aswell so yeh

[odd dagger]

wat are u expecting

its gonna be

V E hold rmb

[dapper hedge]

Lemme spam that hs

[gilded thistle]

You'll love it, after trying it, i didn't want to play my BM

[odd dagger]

im surprised all of the bms swapped over to hs now

if i had good ping id jst play lightning this patch

[gilded thistle]

I kinda love the yellow numbers so if it wasn't for spear i'd prolly stick to puncture

Having 70-75% crit rate on new content is dope

[gilded thistle]

eww draw stance

nah jk, i just don't like the animation

[odd dagger]

puncture is not an option for msp farmer

[gilded thistle]

It grew on me

At this point i've farmed over 20k gold with it

[dapper hedge]

[gilded thistle]

156/102 spear, if doodoo back to puncture

a couple more msp sessions to go

[odd dagger]

hope its doodoo, i dont want competetion on wb ranking

[gilded thistle]

[gilded thistle]

Legendary tab? ayo

[odd dagger]

Tab stacking lets go?

[gilded thistle]

it seems pretty doodoo though

Unless they upped the multiplier by a lot

[silk beacon]

whats ur ping?

im at 40 ms with exitlag

but when many adds/ppl fps goes to 20 or less so rip dps kekw

[odd dagger]

125

[silk beacon]

ouchge, ye better stay hs xd

[odd dagger]

yea i was HS cause of ping , now its not cool anymore. everyone is one.

GM 18 - 100% additional dmg
GM 30 - additional 1 focus rec on crit.
GM 48 - Crit rate 5% more for 1 seconds.

Seems like straight up puncture buff

[gilded thistle]

the other is lightning tab?

[uneven kernel]

yes

[odd dagger]

yes

[gilded thistle]

Now i kinda wanna see the multiplier

i have my doubts about swapping

[odd dagger]

GM 18 - 780% Dmg during BDR
GM 30 - Extends BDR by 1 sec
GM 48 - Lightning strike cooldown reduced by 1 sec ? whats this

is that celestial thunder skill

thats lightning draw

HUH

maybe all lightning draw series skills?

so stone slash

[gilded thistle]

So 2 seconds at best?

[odd dagger]

lightning tab looks ass

[gilded thistle]

thats a waste for 48gm passive

[odd dagger]

but lunar tab looks pretty promising

[brazen light]

punture N1

[gilded thistle]

I doubt it'll be that much of a boost

but a welcome buff indeed

[odd dagger]

can probably drop falcon with leggy tab

[gilded thistle]

mhm

156/48/48

falcon gets put down due to having rabbies

if the multiplier is bonkers might even ditch the two extra stone slashes

[odd dagger]

gotta wait tmr for yast

[gilded thistle]

aye

[odd dagger]

eh dunno about stone slash removal. that 50% CD goes hard with 30% CR boost

[gilded thistle]

So next week lmb leggy?

[silk beacon]

what are those, new buffs or what?

[hearty ether]

KR new leggy skills for bm, think its lunar slash & thunder tab

[odd dagger]

leggy tab and gm stacking for tab

for lightnign and puncture

[silk beacon]

so that means

2 less TDS to stack

meaning less dmg

unless 48gm light tab is really worth to have

[silk beacon]

if they would put 6 secs bd efect instead of 3

would be ggs

[silk beacon]

so now it should be 4 secs BD efect per tab instead of 3

and it reduces stone slash cooldown by 1 sec

everytime it hits right?

so that means more BD efect uptime

fuuck now i dont know what to do again stoopid geim

[wooden rain]

Uninstall

[winged reef]

I don't get the 48 stack. It reduces 4 cd by 1 on hit during what lol

[winged reef]

If Stone Slash hits like a truck then it's worth having it off cd asap I guess

[silk beacon]

ye but will it be worth it enought to drop 2 TDS's?

must do math but im lazy

and its only the first hit that does alot of dmg, but having those buffs asap its goated aswell

[winged reef]

But worth dropping Blade Call or another purple

[silk beacon]

probably

its 6 secs bd efect aswell

must do the math

[winged reef]

6s every 60s isn't that amazing if you can have 4 more often I guess

Though Blade Call is one of those iconic skills that just feels great using

[silk beacon]

this aswell

[warm depot]

we'd be gooning

[odd dagger]

base ap itself goes upto 4.7x

[slender pecan]

noo swapped them

[silk beacon]

how is light one?

[odd dagger]

the base ap goes up by double , thats about it

doesnt seem too impressive to me still

you could see the math with ur current counts

gm 30 could replace some other bdr book.

[slender pecan]

sun stroke ? have any upg

[odd dagger]

no

[astral tendon]

5.7 with gm stack, damage wise it voids the difference of puncture compared to other bm build pretty much

but still on the crap tier

[quiet otter]

Told ya'll gonna regret playing hs, just a matter of time till they add aoe to punct

Gonna be bis

[odd dagger]

yes pls leave my HS alone

lightning gonna be BIS soon

and it has aoe

[unique valley]

make all bm skills 3m and single target 😂

😈

[silk beacon]

go away from here foshi

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-crunchy-cat-glasses-cat-luna-glasses-cat-gif-12732289841207803174

dont give them ideas

[unique valley]

Nerf their focus regen skills too

[silk beacon]

if they nerf them they can just remove them

[sleek tendon]

can dt play brain dragon slash or still cucked to sun stroke ?

[odd dagger]

brain dragon slash

its probably playable but, not really since you will lose out of consecutive stacks waaay too early to refresh BDR with TDS

but

you might get ur searing slash up slightly more often?

there seems to be something cooking here

esp since DT will be able to use TDS waay more often then lightning

infact there might be potential for hybrid build to make a comeback

ignore heat and go all in on stone slash burst

[gilded thistle]

[dapper hedge]

[honest haven]

lightning strike series = 4?

sword dragon effec = bd?

[odd dagger]

yes and yes

[silk beacon]

Will try to do numbers later today

[austere falcon]

i sell 20k divine for 100g last play blade and soul neo

[astral tendon]

Dt don’t reduce brain dragon slash cd right

Uh it does

but probably won’t be enough to sustain, back in the day sun stroke took like what a bit less than 4 seconds to get back with hybird?

That’s with the badge in 1 seconds as well

I’m pretty sure scared badge dt don’t reduce brain dragon slash cd

It use to reduce it on virtous

[odd dagger]

ah they also made it only for Sunstroke?

rip hybrid dreams

[astral tendon]

They move it from dt to tds so dt only reduce sun stroke

I guess lightning would be better on paper after that with 48 brain dragon slash

On dummy maybe 4-5 seconds off on stone?

[astral tendon]

Seems like it doesn’t

so dt with brain dragon slash we can forget about it

[warm torrent]

is the guide in pins still up to date?

[unique valley]

omg its Jarke

[quiet otter]

Jarke plays gunsliger

[warm torrent]

im not jarke

[silk beacon]

220k on bibong with sum

probably best run of my life

still 49% crit rate on tds

according to my own maths

that i manually did

[winged reef]

Someone get this man a noble prize in maths

[slim mortar]

real

[astral tendon]

Genius

[scenic badge]

who cares about the badge, if you upgrade to new one, gives ap = more dmg

[warm torrent]

does suntroke give maxmimum boost for heavenly slasher?

[uneven kernel]

did they increased chance to upgrade? or just strange luck? upgraded from +5 to +10 with 0 gold, just 8 free coupon from BP.
Btw Sacred Mystic Badge is still worse than Virtuos for DT, right?

[astral tendon]

Obviously no but it gives you a free e

[warm torrent]

alright i wasnt sure what maximum boost means

[scenic badge]

@uneven kernel more stats on sacred when you upgrade, so i dont see how its worse

[astral tendon]

Scared mystic is worse

[uneven kernel]

because Virtuos decrease CD of Sun Stroke, and Thunder Drake Stroke by 1s, and Sacred only Sun Stroke for 0.7s

[astral tendon]

It has less stats than virtuous for dt specifically

unless you get it to dawncrest

But I guess is not that much worse in sf and dc patch cos you are suppose to hold rmb as much as possible now

So the difference between 0.7 and 1 should not cause too much inconvenience

at the very beginning of the sf patch, when dt were sh1t and sun stroke still contribute to a huge part of damage is basically a downgrade

[analog yarrow]

Virtuous combo let u use tab more often. Make sense for 1250% sunstroke damage. Sacred and above combo focus on just dt damage. Mystic badge -0.7s on sunstroke gives u enough tab cd reduction for your dt rotation

Overall damage is increased

[uneven kernel]

if you can dt without interuption right, its no difference, but still Virtuos is "safer" for fight with breaks

its 1.7 vs 2.0, but still..

[analog yarrow]

Kodak lmb gives u dt cd reduction, if u get interrupted you can rrrtand repeat, sunstroke cd will be ready. Unless u still play hybrid dt, I don’t see why not to upgrade to sacred

[uneven kernel]

i do it that way, im not talking that its much worse, but if you talk just about badge effect, Virtuos is better

[astral tendon]

There is just not too much of a point to do it unless you can get it straight to dawncrest, the sub stats technically gives you more damage but is not something you can feel in anyway

however 82ap is a pretty big boost

[uneven kernel]

I had no intention of doing Sacred Mystic at all at this point, but I clicked the Quest Badge 8 times and it went from +5 to +10 for free, so...

[hearty ether]

the stats u with sacred get make up for it ig, + u need to upgrade it anyway to get to dawncrest

[odd dagger]

im curious do DT players start fight with V?

or do they jst keep it incase some shi t happen

[uneven kernel]

i keep it as emergency BD

[hearty ether]

backup for me i start with x usually

[slim mortar]

x or with searing

[warm torrent]

is sunstroke the best for slasher build? or only after 48gm?

[astral tendon]

No point to start with v even back in the mw day if you play full dt

Dt does not cost focus

blade call damage is basically 0

[odd dagger]

yea assumed so

no reason to ever have koldrak

[astral tendon]

If someone want another dt yeah is not needed

after 165 stacks no reason to not have one just in case

[somber kiln]

Hey i was curious about that class exchange option

If i buy another to switch from DT to slasher

Will ot work?

Or do the book change vouchers only let you change the variant of the skill

Like i can onlt change from DT to TDS or Honed?

[astral tendon]

You can change to any skill

[somber kiln]

Ok great thanks