Blade Master

[clever nimbus]

feel like my dmg sucks for my gear, what can i do?

[trim knot]

You're on pierce, correct?

I am so tempted to try puncture. I feel like 6s cyclone would be sooo amazing.

I overwrite my BD buff way too much it's annoying

[brave pendant]

Yeah trying out vortex since one was up for sale at 2k. Overriding an existing BD buff and not having as long of a focus recovery while having longer CD makes it feel pretty bad

[bronze bolt]

I play green pierce with blue cyclone recovery and I don't run into focus issues that often?

[brave pendant]

so whenever people say oh BD uptime is amazing I'm like there's no focus to do that even with high crit and purp cyclone

[urban bridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypzJ_hsjHxM&ab_channel=제주산물개

here is a vid of a hybrid tanking cobalt

[trim knot]

Ya idk.. if only it extended everytime, it would be so fkn op.

Prob not op but you know, playable without feeling super bad at least v.v

[hard iris]

17k on wintermane, am I ready for BSh1?

I had to also block adds could've probably done more

[brave pendant]

yeah that should be good enough

a lot of yellow attacks in training base though so you better be good with blocking

[hard iris]

I'm a violent pro by now

[brave pendant]

bloodmane will spin 3 times first, then do a daze ~2 seconds later

[hard iris]

telegraphed?

[brave pendant]

I don't know if you can iframe the whole spin with a Q

yeah both yellow

can block both but as DT that's gonna suck

the daze you can violent blade

[hard iris]

would E+Q block all of it?

[brave pendant]

maybe? I haven't tried

I always block cyclone that

the 3rd hit is the one that knocks back, so you could eat the first hit on purpose

[hard iris]

oh u use iframe cyclone?

[brave pendant]

I wait until I see the 3 blocks

if you end block early, gg knocked back. lost 3 seconds

[rain nimbus]

with your stats it prob would be

[hard iris]

dang really need to get that purple SS 😭

or vt badge

[urban bridge]

Just Q iframes the entire spin if you time it correctly

[hard iris]

[odd dagger]

is that on dummy or bsh

[brave pendant]

on Thrasher even with cyclone I'm maybe like 95% uptime with my rotation. Not enough stuff to block or iframe with shoulder charge

[odd dagger]

cause dummy is alr 26k

[urban bridge]

but its easier to ss the spin then q the daze afterwards

[brave pendant]

with vortex wave it feels more like 85-90%

or more like 80-85%

[hard iris]

I'm hybrid bm btw.

[brave pendant]

just lack focus

[gleaming pewter]

ty

[hard iris]

do ppl actually buy that

like ain't no way people are buying that, right?

[urban bridge]

the whales probably

trying to get their perfect bsh soul shields might

[rain nimbus]

i met the best bm

[jaunty lark]

still 0 clue of what exactly that is for tbh

[grizzled gale]

it rerolls 1 stat of your SS

[rain nimbus]

@azure dawn was that u

[azure dawn]

yes

[jaunty lark]

🤔

i guess for desperated ppl its worth idk

[twin lark]

Lunar slash combo finally getting the purple that it deserves

[grizzled gale]

yea we're waiting

[odd dagger]

48 stacks of tabs are gonna do same dmg as lightning

[grizzled gale]

cant even afford purple cyclone but yeah maybe in 3 years ill afford purple slash when it comes out

[odd dagger]

as long as its on 10k range

ill buy 10 of em

[twin lark]

I wonder what's the CD on that 5% crit

Is it every sec?

Can't be

[rotund compass]

it reads like its up 100% but who knows

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-sheen-winning-win-gif-3873269

[burnt helm]

well considering it's used for pierce/puncture, it should apply everytime tab is used

[azure dawn]

wake me up when purple puncture goes for 20k each ty

[odd dagger]

so u are never waking up

[slender kelp]

@drowsy palm still looking for pierces at 6k?

[odd dagger]

thats his

[twin lark]

Funny how a leg skill reduces less def on enemies than a blue Sum striker def

This one OP

[north burrow]

real content

[jaunty lark]

ye, cant wait 80k purp tab wts

👍

if there isnt a patch where blues are least starts to be more common so u can craft more purps

[limpid blaze]

save your purple rng box and hope for the best

[odd dagger]

if 20k is enough to clear real content

thats enough

dont need to play a build that he doesnt like

[rain nimbus]

wl purple selector > tab

[odd dagger]

next patch we get purple tabs , which makes tab stacking even more closer to "real" builds

[twin lark]

That's not gonna work

[winged reef]

I’m stacking Scarlet Breeze

Doing insane damage

[twin lark]

Why? tab does more dmg than scarlet

[odd dagger]

unless its purple scarlets

6 points scarlet > 2 point tab

[rain nimbus]

tab lmb but we stack lmbs

yooo

[grizzled gale]

I calculated it, I think scarlet barely wins if you full stack purple

[spiral sky]

just be a chad

stack purple cyclone

[rain nimbus]

just stack legendary dragontongues

[gleaming pewter]

someone on NA buy this from me thanks

[spiral sky]

50 gen

[rain nimbus]

how much

[odd dagger]

ew poopy rolls

[twin lark]

Barely? then it's not worth the gems. Guys, just wait till purple tab comes, we gonna over-throne other builds

[odd dagger]

real

i did some calc and 48 gm tab = 48 gm lightning

[jaunty lark]

Man, i miss playing lightning

[young pulsar]

i just swapped from lightning to hybrid, and anicanceling is hella hard compared to lightning

[jaunty lark]

I feel both similar tbh

[rain nimbus]

just use the ahk script it doesnt care about ping

works with any ping

[young pulsar]

dunno what that is

[rain nimbus]

macro

[young pulsar]

with light u can kinda misstime, with hybrid feels like u can't at all

[young pulsar]

don't really like using macro, combat is the only reason i play the game

nothing against those thoug

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/froid-gif-13800108568354546884

[winged reef]

I think everyone who uses that build uses macro lol

[young pulsar]

can see why

[jaunty lark]

My handa are made out of steel

[jaunty lark]

U mean hybrid?

[winged reef]

Yea

[jaunty lark]

Shaddy plays manually i believe

But ye. I cansee that the optimal amount its mostly with mscrom but you can get an 11/11 manually if u have good ping

Which is enough

[spiral sky]

wts purple scarlet 5k for u dark

😄

[twin lark]

All heroic soul cores give the same AP?

[odd dagger]

for me pressing 2 buttons back to back isnt really the part of bns combact thats fun

its about how the character reacts and feels to play

[twin lark]

^

[young pulsar]

yeah that as well, but i really like to anicancel as lightning bm, it's part of the fun, for me

[winged reef]

All the little things make it fun

Cyclone animation after a block also feels good

[young pulsar]

yessssssssss

[winged reef]

Sadly with Neo a lot of utilities are gone

Like a 5ps into a cyclone back into ani canceling for example

[rain nimbus]

uh

i mean

ide do it

to help you get tabs

i rly never meant to fk you over

@clever nimbus

you have ahk for puncture build?

(not for me im not swapping again ppl relax)

[grizzled gale]

I was about to say..

[rain nimbus]

friend of mine wants it

if there is one

[north burrow]

i played it manual, wasn't too hard

[brave pendant]

I don't know how that would work when it requires you critting lmb and tabs

[winged reef]

Well I never played it so I can’t say. People do macros for any build anyway so it doesn’t mean much

[odd dagger]

does playing it manual involve not using puncture when its not boosted

prolly need to be a god gamer to notice if ur tab/lb doesnt crit.

[rotund compass]

i think u still gonna click it even if it doenst boost

[jaunty lark]

na, u just get parkinson anyway

otherwiuse u will go too slow

unles idk, u just do rmb spam and then just lmbtab

but thats more HS build

[rain nimbus]

Hs build is just holding rmb the entire time

Fissure

Hold more

2zx hold more

1 cyclone hold more

[odd dagger]

ya but u replace the hs

with rb tab

[rain nimbus]

O wait that's just me lol

[odd dagger]

its teh same thing

[spiral sky]

we have a traitor here

[jaunty lark]

Ye, the rmbtab its the skill issue lmb tab rmb

or crit balding issue

which ever u prefer

[spiral sky]

u know what im talking about

u dirty bastard

making gens over people dreams

[jaunty lark]

isnt that just classic NA market? lol

[spiral sky]

it almost hit 900

and someone bought all

and now there is it

🫣

[rain nimbus]

I'm still missing 3

Lol

[spiral sky]

im missing alot

but not worth paying that much for it

[rain nimbus]

There were some up for 1k like 10 minutes ago

20 mins maybe

[spiral sky]

still to much

14k for all

hell no

[twin lark]

Not a fan of these new insignias

[covert silo]

@rain nimbus im thinking of making a bm alt and your build sounds interesting. can you give me some tips for it

[spiral sky]

not worth

[covert silo]

is it relatively high investment?

[spiral sky]

he stacks tab

14 tab skills

look at f5

[covert silo]

that sounds prety overpowered

[spiral sky]

the price of each

its a alt

[covert silo]

well as a wendys worker i think i wont be playign this build

[spiral sky]

u dont want to invest

[covert silo]

but maybe dark magician can convince me otherwise

[spiral sky]

u can play fire with green books

and do 8k dmg ez

8k is enough to be a bbr slave

[covert silo]

hmm i main destro but i was thinking of rerolling to bm if it was more fun. i saw dark magician in the alice discord talking about his heavenly slasher build and was interested but then i saw he switched

[hard iris]

or get 1 blue book and rest green

[covert silo]

i think stacking tab could be vialbe though? idk he seems pretty convincing

and i can sell my purples fro alot on my main

well im reading what he said earlier why did he switch to this build from puncture again though

that part doesnt make much sense to me

[spiral sky]

u can play it with 1 blue book no problem

but not worth to invest

with prices like that

[covert silo]

hmm yeah

i liked his heavenly slasher build. almost onvinced me to buy it at 34k too it seems like a steal?

my execute was 45k so thats much cheaper

[spiral sky]

HS is trash

small ceiling

better go for hybrid/fire or pierce/pung

lightning only if u a masochist

and dont care to waste on purple

[brave pendant]

slasher is still really fun and cool to play with. As long as you have a group that's capable of doing harder contents like CS / training base then play what you like

Also Destro dmg is really weak right now or something. Most random BM builds can out dps a top destro

[hard iris]

most destros are jsut trash

I already saw some that were pumping hard

[covert silo]

yeah thats what i was thinking so i wanted to reroll while i could still get my books sold

is dark magician top 5 wb or something? he seems like he knows what hes doing

all the destros in this discord are complaining about the class being bad

[hard iris]

no dark sucksat the game wth

[covert silo]

oh really for real

i tohught he was like a bm god or something

[hard iris]

why do u think he plays tab

[brave pendant]

nah he's in the 1st NA server. He's maybe top 20 but I'm guessing

[covert silo]

pioneering the frontier of bm theory

[jaunty lark]

cant breath from the laughtning

xddddddddddddd

[covert silo]

i must have been misinformed

[hard iris]

dark is a nice guy and all but he's far from top bm

[covert silo]

good thing i didn't spend my paycheck on this tab build

im thinking i might go cat build summoner instead

not sure if i cn trust this info anymore

[brave pendant]

summoners I think are more expensive

it's either stacking hornet nests or sunflowers

[hard iris]

tab build is sht atm and probably will be forever but it's good for an alt and can reach enough dps for baylee for exampel wiht rather low investment

[brave pendant]

and a sunflower can pay for a whole BM build

[covert silo]

hmmmmm

[spiral sky]

if books wasnt a problem

[brave pendant]

yeah tab I know with full greens can do min dps for baylee groups

[spiral sky]

i would play lightning+HS withouth adoubt

[covert silo]

yeah, i saw a lot of hybrids doing lots of dmg

[brave pendant]

but if that's good enough to scale into CS and stuff, I have no clue

[covert silo]

so like theoretically if i were to spend my entire paycheck swiping for a build which one should i play?

i thought that tab stack was good but i guess not

[brave pendant]

first, what's your ping

[covert silo]

35 ms

[brave pendant]

that's probably good enough to play most builds

[spiral sky]

tab stackign not worth it for you

with that ping

wasting

[brave pendant]

if you can hit 14+1 DT or I think 12+12 ES+DT, then those are the popular options atm. With ES+DT performing better than pure fire

[covert silo]

yea, i got some bm xmls from homra for pierce build

so i think i might run that

[brave pendant]

If you don't like the draw stance playstyle, then go basic and puncture / pierce

[covert silo]

they had one for dragontongue too but i dont know if that is available

thanks, ill try to figure things out. you guys are very helpful

[hard iris]

this is what my alt does at level 37 on a green training dummy in mushin tower

I invested less than 3k dgems on EU into it, and it's pretty much good enough for alt gaming and probably will be good enough for baylee later on down the line as well

GM15 tab btw.

[covert silo]

wow thats quite strong

[hard iris]

it doesn't 100% represent actual dgn/boss dps but it's really good enough, for an alt.

[twin lark]

Shouldn't lunar and tab have almost the same %?

[hard iris]

I don't understand, lunar is tab

u mean lmb and lunar? Yea they do. it was just me sometimes autoing when running out of focus

[jaunty lark]

meh, not really

hits ye

also, he has stacked tab xd

i guess he means lmb and tab

[hard iris]

and I'm using scarlet instead of purple breeze so if no crits focus issues occur 😭

[twin lark]

Yeah, mb

I'm also using scarlet

[rain nimbus]

What's tabs market look like RN on NA

[twin lark]

1.5

[brave pendant]

In ruins

[twin lark]

all

[rain nimbus]

God damn

[clever nimbus]

@rain nimbus couldn't get the times totally rigth see is this one works

#Requires AutoHotkey v2.0

DetectHiddenWindows true ;
SetTitleMatchMode 2 ;
#HotIf WinActive("ahk_exe" "BNSR.exe")
xButton2::
{
while (GetKeyState("xButton2","P"))
{
Send("{r down}")
Send("{r up}")
sleep 200
Send("{tab down}")
Send("{tab up}")
sleep 200
Send("{t down}")
Send("{t up}")
sleep 200
}
}
return

[twin lark]

It seems as if someone is switching build

[rain nimbus]

Ty

[river token]

i swear to god, this game doesnt want me to play hybrid

[young pulsar]

how do u even make that thing to work?

[river token]

out of like 20 mystic badge chests i got 2x lighting badge und 1x pierce...

[rain nimbus]

Friend wants to rebind. How would you?

Ty btw

[limpid blaze]

change
xButton2::
and
while (GetKeyState("xButton2","P"))

[rain nimbus]

Ty

[clever nimbus]

yeah xbutton2 is the mouse extra button

you can change it for whatever you want

[clever nimbus]

ahk

[paper solar]

anyone Selling purple sun stroke on NA

[sharp current]

surely my alt is cold storage ready right

[brave pendant]

hitting what. dummy?

[sharp current]

yea that was a short dummy to see how much i do now with electric saber and blue suntroke

trying to get it to cs with as little investment as possible

and i think those 2 books are the most valuable

i can hm block, solo kd, and do bots, i think my alt is lit

my alts been at full green + blue block for hm block and just bbr spam for a while, but i think i could get it to CS with very little investments

• i gave this alt my hand me down bottom 3 accessories from my main

[brave pendant]

Looks like it might hit 8-10k dps at most. good enough to be carried I guess

[sharp current]

yea, im used to doing all the mechs too, so should be a good dps increase for the party as they can full dps + i apply bleed as well

[brave pendant]

you can bleed being hybrid?

[sharp current]

my rotation with those books, i go to 0 focus after the 6s bd effect, which brings me back to basic stance, and i do 1 auto + rush + 1 auto > tab so im back into bd with full focus

so during those 2 autos, im applying bleed with scarlet breeze

and im doing it every 6s

so its 100% uptime

[twin lark]

i bid 90 damn

[sharp current]

got carried

im surprised i came to 10k for being lvl 49

would've been like 12k maybe if i wasn't on bot duty

[twin lark]

another one

[gilded thistle]

They exist?!

[burnt helm]

double dps meter?

[brave pendant]

Nice, my estimates are on point

[sharp current]

my friend runs both dps meter LOL

but yea about 10k if im doing all the mechs, hm block, kd and bots

if im straight dps i can prob do 12-13

which is pretty crazy

with how little is invested

once it hits lvl 50, and i pray i get a decent purple book, can probably do 14k if full dps

[spiral sky]

shoulder charge

incoming

[winter acorn]

Wait, did I pug with you yesterday?

[twin lark]

Idk, can't remember all names

I'm old af, memory gets fcked

[native vortex]

finished my bm build dont need any more books right

[burnt helm]

correct

[native vortex]

W method..

[twilit panther]

do any other classes have solo daze skills like scale ripper? we had someone dazing instantly in CS but i couldnt figure out who

[sharp current]

could be poh core

[twilit panther]

is poh core cd short?

[native vortex]

same as every other core

[sharp current]

1min

[winged reef]

Worst part about cs is the performance

Even more so than live

[cosmic warren]

can you share that preset thank you

[twin lark]

Is it worth sacrificing 130 CD for 5 ap? my guessing is no

[spiral sky]

he literally shared on the next text

[cosmic warren]

oh for some reason the image didnt load ty

[slender kelp]

gentlemen, this is what 4 wood fragments looks like

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-sheen-winning-win-gif-3873269

[urban bridge]

...

[spiral sky]

i believe i can fly

[gilded thistle]

Alt loota rng

[urban bridge]

dismantle it, you don't need it

[gilded thistle]

[odd dagger]

[spice junco]

w

[slender kelp]

so true

[urban bridge]

so lvl 52 gives 12 attack power

instead of 10

like lvl 51 did

might end up scaling by 2 every level til 55

[rain nimbus]

What are tabs at on na

[twin lark]

A sign to restart on that char

[odd dagger]

pog more ap

finally got 1 more ap special , no more 800 ap gate kept in bsh training

[rain nimbus]

@odd dagger show f3

Grats btw

[rain nimbus]

I'm confused I guess I'm not following people's builds that well

You're stacking tab but have es ? What's the 2 purples

[odd dagger]

cyclone fissure

es is jst a fun tech

[gleaming pewter]

22k parse on hae 😃

[urban bridge]

sheesh I only manage around 20-21k

on hae

apparently lvl 52 gives you a massive dmg boost to hae though

since you get back alot of your accuracy/crit/piercing

[odd dagger]

can u check the dmg difference at lvl 52 on hae vs blood mane on ur tabs

is there a big dip like cs > blood mane

[covert silo]

wait you are also doing dark magicians build?

did you find out something hidden or what others didn't know that makes it good

[odd dagger]

i just have high ping

and its one of the better builds to play at 130 ms

[somber dagger]

Purple fissure is a must have for HS build tho and I'm buying it for 2k on EU btw !

[odd dagger]

if i get enough money for purple puncture , i will invest in to rb tab spam on focus surplus

[somber dagger]

@rain nimbus what build do you play ?

[rain nimbus]

Tab

[gleaming pewter]

yea i'm usually 19-20 just got good rng with crits this run

and puncture so reliant on crits 😢

[shy cargo]

im doing 23-24

[native vortex]

nadu best

[gleaming pewter]

howd u get 52 so fast

nadu

[native vortex]

goat behavior

[shy cargo]

35/36 daily quests

before patch

[gleaming pewter]

jeezus

[shy cargo]

burned through alot of pots

my group is mostly 52

[gleaming pewter]

im in a flat 15k avg dps group so any rotation mistake and we have to re lmaoo

[shy cargo]

my group reliant on me tanking 🙂

[gleaming pewter]

tanking hae really fun i like the fight

[shy cargo]

every other person ive seen tanking moves it way too much

im keeping him in place lmao

[gleaming pewter]

he's literally horah loux from elden ring

[native vortex]

ty bus nadu

[gleaming pewter]

goat boss

just dabs on u

[shy cargo]

that was today

[odd dagger]

lmao last hit with aerial

[shy cargo]

@gleaming pewter whats your dps breakdown im at 50/27/18 for puncture/tab/lmb

[gleaming pewter]

i'm usually like 45/25/20

[shy cargo]

im usually ending it 50% puncture now

[gleaming pewter]

how? are u critting more on punctures now or

idk what can influence that ratio since we just only do lmb tab rmb

[odd dagger]

how come ur lb count is so high compared to other two

Ah nvm I guess going to 0 focus means u gotta lb twice

[gleaming pewter]

yeah i have some focus issues on hae cuz of evades + noncrits

[urban bridge]

I hate it whenever my sun stroke gets evaded by hae too

happens way too often for my liking

[gleaming pewter]

lvl 52 waiting room 🙏

[urban bridge]

I'm almost there, should hit it tomorrow

[wooden rain]

same, except 51

[gleaming musk]

Does scape ripper first dazes and then launches to air or only launches to air if target was already stunned/dazed before scale ripper?

[bronze bolt]

green scale ripper does 5 dazes. one per each hit. i heard blue and up dazes and knocks them up.

[gleaming musk]

If all 5 causes dazes them I'm guessing all effects are on all hits. So in that cause first hit would daze, second knocks them up

[twin lark]

Why do you guys say HS build is bad? i've seen ppl dealing 22k no problem and no whale gear

[jaunty lark]

Its not bad. But it dowsnt scale as much

Buut like anything, if u are really invested you gonna perform anyway

[urban bridge]

on a player, the first hit dazes and knocks them up. On a boss, the first 3 hits would fill the cc bar and the 3rd hit will knock them up along with the daze

the daze and knockup happen simultaneously

[gleaming musk]

I see, thank you!

[jaunty lark]

Tldr: only use green scale ripper lol

[little moat]

@trim knot bring a summoner with focus recovery Q on cat. And Hive swarm in melee.
It recovers insane amounts of focus.

Cat practically has 8 out of 10s uptime aswell

[gleaming musk]

I'm asking for pvp so I'd rather have the air if I give up on the iframe 😛

Does anyone actually use green scale ripper for pve instead of iframe?

[jaunty lark]

I use ir for pve

5 point strike and shoulder charge iframe have been so nerfed compared to live that I just dont bother

[nova lotus]

if you play blade stance build ppl often do

but if you play hybrid is big ask to remove only iframe from draw stance

[gleaming musk]

What do you use on shoulder charge then? The iframe feels way too short but I still find it handy to have it

[jaunty lark]

Approach daze. If not the pierce parry daze

[urban bridge]

yeah I use it for pve

I play hybrid, I didn't feel the need to have 5 point strike

[gleaming musk]

Yeah, the more I think about it the more tempted I am 😂

For the triple daze

People somehow are not very good at ccing in neo

[urban bridge]

I also just opted out of putting anything for shoulder

since it sucks

it dazes by itself + 10% hp recovery

without any books

just stacked another DT book in its stead

at least thats what I did

[gleaming musk]

Sounds like a good option as well

I'll keep iframe for now and might switch to scale ripper for cc

[rain nimbus]

Scale ripper should be kds

[jaunty lark]

Ah ye. For pve i dont use anything on shoulder charge neither. I use it for sustain, so the less cd it has the better

[little moat]

I play hybrid and use green scaleripper

5point brings me out of draw so I never used it

Might aswell have a cc

[sage tulip]

he also knocks up boss after ccing for fun

[urban bridge]

I have a friend who went the full package

and uses dragon rise after scaleripper lol

for that 0.1 second cc

[sage tulip]

[little moat]

Thats a lie

We all know that was Angel

[sage tulip]

[open rivet]

best way to increase black dragon after using sun stroke?

[sage tulip]

wym increase

you cant

[open rivet]

no way to increase it?

[sage tulip]

its always 6 seconds after sun stroke

what build you playing?

[open rivet]

fire build

[sage tulip]

yeah all you do is spam sun stroke off cd

6 seconds is more than enough to reset cd

sun stroke rmb spam sun stroke rmb spam..

[open rivet]

there's like a 10 sec gap after rmb spam before i can use sun stroke

[sage tulip]

are you using dragontongue mystic badge?

[open rivet]

ahh

that's why

[urban bridge]

whats your ping + mystic badge

[open rivet]

hard to get

[urban bridge]

ah okay

well yeah you need a dragontongue mystic badge

to reduce the downtime

[sage tulip]

moonwater one at least

[open rivet]

ok might have to gamble

ty

[sage tulip]

dont gamble

[open rivet]

well there's none in market

[sage tulip]

😭

[little moat]

Go gambah!

U might hit a virtous in one try

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-gambling-gamble-gambler-gambling-addiction-gif-25801242

[winged reef]

I don’t feel like I do any extra damage at all in CS after lvl 51 tbh

[urban bridge]

51 wasn't that impactful

heard 52 feels different though from various people

[winged reef]

Even in Chef and Poh my rmbs hit lower than on a dummy and I’m already at 1.5k piercing and 6 levels over

[odd dagger]

that wont really change since bosses do have higher defence

[wooden rain]

well dummy probably has 0 defense, i don't know how calculations work but it might be impossible to completely negate defense

you could try infernal lord

and probably still see somewhat lower than dummy

accuracy and crit should improve with levels though for CS

[winged reef]

Wish game showed actual numbers and percentages instead of just arbitrary values

[urban bridge]

if only they didn't take out the %

[winged reef]

Can’t expect much from a UI snatched directly from the mobile game anyway

[urban bridge]

when they had it in for the first few months of neo kr release

[odd dagger]

tbf wouldnt the value just not reflect accurately anyway?

only value that is needed is crit damage one.

[winged reef]

Maybe they thought it was too complicated math for people like basic dungeon mechanics

[little moat]

51 is BSH impact

CS u dont need 51 for

[odd dagger]

i dont think 51 makes much diff in bsh

[urban bridge]

tbh 51 in bsh doesn't feel that impactful either

[odd dagger]

51 is for cs

[urban bridge]

I did notice like slightly more crit, less misses

but I got like top ranking people telling me their dps increased by several thousands when they hit 52

[winged reef]

I feel no difference in CS. Even with more AP and cdmg, DPS felt the same

52 it will be then

[urban bridge]

I'm just hoping its true

at this point lol

Ig I'll find out tomorrow

[odd dagger]

then it might just be 2 levels increase to get proper values?

[winged reef]

Which doesn’t make sense since if you’re overleveled you should do more dmg

[wooden rain]

well i wouldn't expect suddenly double damage from a level up, it's gradual but adds up

[winged reef]

Who cares if you’re only in the range of 3

[odd dagger]

only value which truly gets generous with levels is accuracy

[urban bridge]

I have a feeling it might be piercing related or something

like I just saw the meter for some people

for NA anyway

sulli was pulling 24k at 51

suddenly hes pulling 27k

[winged reef]

Maybe I’ll quit soon cause hitting a dead beat boss for 4 minutes straight all the day for rng horrible loot might get stale eventually

[urban bridge]

today at 52

[winged reef]

Then I still need to roll good psyches and what not

Just to do the same over again next patch

[wooden rain]

correct

[rotund compass]

cs is hella boring if u dont get to block the adds

[wooden rain]

blocking the adds makes it interesting?

[rotund compass]

(even if u do it is)

[wooden rain]

new strat seems to be to grab and ss so nobody will block adds anyway

[winged reef]

It was always a boring dungeon, did it for years in live but at least it took like 1min

[wooden rain]

not to mention sh*t performance

for no reason

[rotund compass]

hard to do without grab tho

[winged reef]

In my group we all stack on one person so they all explode in the same spot

Then move to other side, easiest thing

Wow hardcore mechs

[odd dagger]

cs is better than blood mane atleast

[urban bridge]

I'm okay with cs/blood mane

but what I'm not okay with

are the mobs being tanky as hell and dealing as much dmg as some bosses

it gets really annoying

[brave pendant]

It's so easy to block the robots in cs though. takes a couple of seconds. Surely your group is not gonna wipe to enrage because 1 guy is not dpsing for ~5 seconds

[odd dagger]

how many bm swords have dropped in NA so far from wb

[sharp current]

i think 1

[hard iris]

[odd dagger]

same as eu then , and the guy who got it was some rando who is trying to resell it

[hard iris]

Resell for a price nobody will buy it for

[odd dagger]

[sharp current]

pretty sure this is the only wep in NA

[odd dagger]

his char looks so funny , timestream weap and nothing else on him.

[brave pendant]

can always salvage 4 outfits for a weapon

[odd dagger]

60 puncture monkas

[brave pendant]

ah, finally us peasants can maybe have some purp punctures

[odd dagger]

out fit goes for more though.

if only the weap didnt need more weap mats to upgrade it

[hard iris]

Just make hexwood ez

[odd dagger]

ew low crit dmg

[wooden rain]

then all of us still wouldn't have it

[odd dagger]

idk about that

[urban bridge]

is this where I say

timestream was released last in the CN server after hexwood unlike our servers

[odd dagger]

if it was like 40k gems cause noush wasnt buying up everything. Its possible for people to get.

[wooden rain]

doesn't change the fact (?) that only 2 swords have dropped between EU and NA

[urban bridge]

how many of the other weapons dropped so far in EU

[odd dagger]

it will drop eventually

i saw atleast 3 lyn blades

2 axes

1 bangle

[brave pendant]

I see certain HR whales winning outfits and turning them into weapons

[urban bridge]

NA has gotten 1 sword, 2 daggers, 1 gauntlet, and 1 or 2 lynblade I believe

[odd dagger]

ya outfit drops a lot

[brave pendant]

there was a staff drop too

[odd dagger]

ya staff on eu to

havent seen any dagger

[brave pendant]

also viridian has gotta like 1 drop in the past month

[odd dagger]

that looks like moonwater

[brave pendant]

no outfits... nothing....

[odd dagger]

if moonwater drops something , cinderlands also drop something

or its only cinderlands

[brave pendant]

meanwhile we see HR dropping outfits every day

[winged reef]

Sometimes I see 2 items

In f5

[brave pendant]

the rich gets richer

[wooden rain]

i don't know if that applies in this specific case man

can't possibly see how those wb prices result in bigger gains later on

[odd dagger]

does ascent stones ever get easier to get

[winged reef]

To this day I have seen 0 drop for me

+200 runs chef poh runs

[sharp current]

this patch was supposed to make ascent stones easier to get i think

i only saw my first ever bid for an ascent stone chest like today or yesterday

[hard iris]

I got one for dismantling purple accs

[brave pendant]

I've only seen a box for ascent stone. I have gotten a few hongmoon essence drops though

[odd dagger]

they did add it to salvage but that seems rare af

hongmoon seems easy

[wooden rain]

Relatively

[sharp current]

i gotten 12 hongmoon essence drop

only 1 gave me a crit line

[odd dagger]

its 1/6 odds

[sharp current]

im down infinite gold and wood mat

[odd dagger]

its not that bad

on avg it will cost u 36g per crit line

[sharp current]

72g and 216 wood mat for 1 line for me so far

[wooden rain]

Line then psyche then fusion

[odd dagger]

either way u wont need to use it for all pieces

u might jst pull cd ct ones urself

[sharp current]

yea

ive only naturally gotten 2 cr cd so far and the 1/12 got me the 3rd one

[odd dagger]

do u lose more dps on hae compared to blood mane?

[urban bridge]

ascent stones were originally supposed to drop in the legendary dungeons

the ascent stone boxes were added to poh/chef/hae/mane later on

[brave pendant]

yeah surprising how fast your materials disappear nowadays

[urban bridge]

we just happen to get that patch early

[brave pendant]

feeding SS, rerolling psyche, rerolling stats. crafting ss box

[urban bridge]

drop rate of ascent stones from highland/lab is 20% sorry 28% not 20

which is relatively high

[winged reef]

So only 36k dps

Easy

[odd dagger]

20% pog

[urban bridge]

only lab is 36k

[sharp current]

i miss a lot more, thats for sure, hae also moves way more

[odd dagger]

how do u even hit 36k

[urban bridge]

highland was around 24k but

they recently made it into a 6 man

[winged reef]

Yea but I assume it’s braindead 36k with no mechs

[urban bridge]

which made the dungeon much easier

part of their attempts to ease gear transition from purples to legendary

[odd dagger]

hmm

i really dont get the 4 man thing

thats so restrictive to

[winged reef]

4m is more fun

Unless it’s just dps then it’s just as bad

[urban bridge]

There is some semblance of a mechanic in lab

[hard iris]

Every dgn becomes braindead after u done it a few times, regardless of the game

[odd dagger]

high land still has pizza?

[hard iris]

Yes

[odd dagger]

thats pog then

[winged reef]

Having to actually do it is the interesting part though

[urban bridge]

some wind god/lightning god mechanic does a wipe mechanic if not done properly but its been so long since I've done naryu lab I forgot what the mechanic was

[hard iris]

Highland with our community

[odd dagger]

24k for high land seems achieveable

but naryu 36k seems wild

[urban bridge]

it was 24k while being 4 man

now that its 6 man its much lower

[winged reef]

I think Naryu Lab was always dps

[hard iris]

Sounds subjective, I used to hardcore raid in other games and unless minmaxxing all that scripted sht turns the same

[winged reef]

First boss you had to ram into the wall

[sharp current]

is this the next dungeon?

6man would put it at 16k

[winged reef]

And be ido you needed to kill adds or cc them I think

[odd dagger]

yes

[urban bridge]

highland/lab are both next month yeah

[winged reef]

But I assume they removed be ido to make it a 2 boss dungeon

[urban bridge]

lab is minotaur

• lightning/wind god

then lightning/wind god fused boss

[winged reef]

Yea so no Be Ido anymore

[urban bridge]

3 bosses

yeah

[slender kelp]

No more funny clown man, we must riot

[hard iris]

Iirc u gotta keep them within certain HP threshold and they have to die roughly at the same time as they gain a buff once one of them dies spamming that kick move and raidwides

[winged reef]

I watched a KR promotional video where they showed Sundered Nexus

Not sure if it was scrapped

[slender kelp]

I miss doing nexus it was a goated dungeon fr

[odd dagger]

nexus is that statue god?

[slender kelp]

Any dungeon that isn't a straight line is a breath of fresh air

[urban bridge]

ye I know about that one, but this one that I saw was like instant wipe not like the boss enraging

[slender kelp]

I think you're talking about sanctum

[odd dagger]

ah yea sanctum

whats nexus

[slender kelp]

Be ido in a mech at the end

[winged reef]

Nexus is Naryu Lab 2.0

[slender kelp]

First boss you needed to kd, stun and daze

[winged reef]

Mini games + automaton be ido at the end

[rain nimbus]

i remember 🤡

is it safe to say you want to have 2.6k minimum cd and close to 800ap for training? bsh?

[odd dagger]

u need 25k on dummy

[brave pendant]

ap and stuff means nothing. I see a lot of people over 800 AP do like 8-9k dps on bloodmane

[rain nimbus]

my hs had like 35k lol

but thats not legit

[odd dagger]

not on infinite focus

[sharp current]

gameplay matters the most

i have like 30-40% dmg variance depending on how bad/poor i play

[odd dagger]

ya training base is extremely on how good u react to his kb attacks

[sharp current]

and on this alt, i can do 10k+ in cold storage

no one would think about accepting this char in a party tho

[odd dagger]

if u dont block right , u are gonna be spending most of ur time being stunned or kbed

since pugs dont like kding the boss on spin

[brave pendant]

10k is not min dps though

you want over min dps and consider the party have perma bleed to consistently clear

[sharp current]

yea, its not, but im 10k while doing kd, hm block, bots, and bleed

[odd dagger]

well u should be 12k while doing all that or at least 11.5

[brave pendant]

that's kind of like saying you want to be accepted to bug groups because you can do 3k dps, but min dps is 3.6k

still have to be over the min dps to be readily accepted

[sharp current]

hmm, thats more ur words, im just saying, visual stats and builds isnt everything

and thats an example

there are 800ap+ doing <10k in cs

[urban bridge]

dark these are my stats, 3255 crit dmg as well. I only pull 23-24k on bloodmane and I barely pull 19-21k on hae

[odd dagger]

u pumped a lot this patch

[urban bridge]

I did insignias

after I sold a couple purple books

[brave pendant]

only 23k. barely 19k. yep correct choice of words there

if you got some deadweights in party, sure

[odd dagger]

whats hae minimum req again?

16k?

[urban bridge]

15k

[odd dagger]

ah

so ideally i need to be able to 17k on blood mane to do hae

[brave pendant]

I saw a KFM parse 26k on bloodmane. Pretty insane numbers... unless it also counts hitting the hovering robots

[odd dagger]

heard caera's meter is adding a boss dmg only

[brave pendant]

I'd say this also depends on the build. There's a ton of yellow attacks in bloodmane. There's barely yellow and a ton of red attacks in hae

[odd dagger]

that would be helpful to actually parse now

[odd dagger]

none of it matters for tab stacking life

[brave pendant]

block cyclones in shambles vs hae

[odd dagger]

im 100% uptime rotation

[urban bridge]

yeah the basic stance builds dying for focus once hae goes into his red meteor spam mode

[brave pendant]

From 100% uptime on cyclones to begging the boss to do a yellow

messing up the shoulder charge immunity means getting wrecked

[winged reef]

Struggling to beat 13 year old content

[brave pendant]

if I mess up, I blame ping

[urban bridge]

lol I find hae easier to deal with than twins

I completely forgot all of twins patterns

[odd dagger]

do u guys stack twins

[urban bridge]

so I'm not blocking half the time when I should

[odd dagger]

or individual

[urban bridge]

not like entirely stacked but like close enough for aoes to hit

is best

unless you got a whale group

that can just stacked them and beat them down

[odd dagger]

my tabs be hitting big number on twins

[brave pendant]

I wrote down the whole set of scarlet widow's attack patterns. It's just ~5 actions repeated over and over again

just know which are the slow and which are the fast attacks. when to block, when to QE, when to free dps.

[sharp current]

man i find hae so much harder cause he disables u more, but i really should try to learn his patterns better, i dont play very safe in the fight LOL

i just got this from dismantling on my alt, is this account bound?

[hard iris]

character bound afaik

[spice junco]

im already disabled whenever i play bm cuz i suck

[hard iris]

unless they forgot to add funny symbol

[sharp current]

doomed, my alt is radiant ring so i give it accessories to get designs for legendary

[hard iris]

these new double AP insignias really suck ass

[sharp current]

iti has a higher ceiling but only at purple tier i think

[sage tulip]

purple ones are good

same ap

• extra cdmg

or whatever 2nd stat you get ig

[urban bridge]

yeah they made it that way

so that people who were already at purple grade ap

don't feel like they wasted their money

[urban bridge]

I find hae super easy compared to the twins, tbh if I practice twins enough to memorize their pattern rotation it wouldn't be too hard either but I didn't even need that for hae's patterns since its so telegraphed

[sharp current]

i need ur vision

haes attacks feels so fast

but i am greeding too many attacks for a fight i dont really know, thats also a problem

[urban bridge]

lol I'm waiting for that one guy where his greed overtakes him

[fickle loom]

always gamble

[jaunty lark]

Rigged

[little moat]

That isnt blade strike

[delicate bone]

is there some strategy to when to hit tab during hybrid build lmb+rmb spam? I notice depending on the timing I get out of the tab's animation faster, same for rush

[sage tulip]

draw stance sucks

same bug for 10 years

fix ur game

[little moat]

Dude so many times

[sage tulip]

it must be some skill

from other class

idk..

[little moat]

Time to go lb tab stacking

is it a sin thing maybe?

Last time we had no sin and no bug

Now we got one and its horredenous lol

[sage tulip]

if i get pierce or puncture from bp im rerolling

[little moat]

Its 100% a sin thing

he tosses bomb I loose combat

[winged reef]

Still no legendary skill in f5

Maybe no one has been successful yet

[sharp current]

theres some, but i dont think they are selling it

this person crafted 3 already but 2 wasnt the ones he wanted, idk what he did with the 2

is what i heard at least

[odd dagger]

damn

havent seen any in eu

[urban bridge]

yeah he got 2 cleave:focus recovery

was selling it in wc

don't know if he managed to sell

[winged reef]

In EU haven’t seen any

Maybe Noush does but I haven’t checked anyone’s profile

[little moat]

He does not

[jaunty lark]

I mean, if some purps are 30-50k. What would the leg be lmao

[vale idol]

If I am not playing with macro, its better to go koldrak than saber right?

[little moat]

Hold RB is the same, Either u spam RB or U Macro LB-RB

But yes.

[vale idol]

yes to koldrak? 🙏

[little moat]

Ull be playing pure fire, Tab and hold RB

yes.

[winged reef]

Gonna guess 6 digits at least

[tough robin]

Unpopular opinion : koldrak is useless for fire

[urban bridge]

legendaries should be around the same price as a timestream weapon

so around 120-150k

[little moat]

Unpopular opinions; Destroyer grab is annoying af.

[odd dagger]

why

lyn one is annoying cause it almost always pulls things waay to far and out of vision

[urban bridge]

I dislike but like grabs

I dislike the fact it like positions the enemy in a weird desynced way sometimes

and my dt doesn't go off even though I'm pointing towards the target lol

[sharp current]

yea, i hate it when that happens

u gotta look at who is grabbing it and not the visuals, the desync in visuals vs the actual hit box is annoying

just attack whoever is the one grabbing it

[tough robin]

Price check for HS on EU

[vale idol]

no purples tho 👍

[odd dagger]

wrong hs

[vale idol]

[urban bridge]

wanna come to NA?

🙂

[odd dagger]

i think there is one heavenly purple at 10k

[sage tulip]

guess im using it

[odd dagger]

sell it and buy purple stroke

[sage tulip]

ive enough to buy stroke

there just arent any

[odd dagger]

sell it and buy purple dt

[sage tulip]

its 44k

and i think it sold

not worth

[wooden rain]

purple dropped on alt where i have no money

fml

[sage tulip]

😭

how much they bid

[wooden rain]

60

easy outbid

[sage tulip]

[wooden rain]

well time to sell cat outfits on alts

and now it's never gonna drop again

[little moat]

Wtf u so rich

Oh im sorry I ment.

[sage tulip]

😭

[little moat]

Fusing cards is such a scam

[sage tulip]

such a gold sink

especially now when you got so many

ill just fuse blues and purples

[little moat]

Yeah and u still get garbage

[wooden rain]

say hi to insignias

[sage tulip]

got too many of those, dont even wann look

[wooden rain]

i still don't have 3 special ap insignias

running mushin since week 1

[sage tulip]

i got blue ap green ap and green cdmg

[odd dagger]

1 green ap 1 white ap it's only green from having 2 fusion insignia

[winged reef]

I bought purple TDS

Might save for True Siren acc instead of trying to drop legendaries with perfect rolls or even regular siren

Seems less of a hassle than trying to drop and upgrade them

[somber dagger]

insignias are very expensiv to fuse tho 😦

[wooden rain]

"save it"? you can just use and extract

[somber dagger]

How much ap can you get from insignia only ?

[wooden rain]

tons of it if you super whale

i wouldn't be surprised if it can add up to 150-200

[somber dagger]

wdym

u still have to farm mushin

wanna see mine

?

not whaling on insignia tho

[wooden rain]

you can buy from market, forgekeeper insignia

[somber dagger]

oh yeah true

but it's random isn't it

[wooden rain]

you just need to open enough

[somber dagger]

this is my insignias and I never whaled

I wish I could see a whale insignias

just to see the difference

[odd dagger]

Reds are 40 , blues are 28 ,yellows are 16
Idk special I guess 60

[little moat]

51 yay

💪

[somber dagger]

wdym

like a purple red insignia ap is 40 ap ?

[odd dagger]

No 4x of it

1 is 10

[somber dagger]

Also my gallery suck

was thinking of maybe doing more jianshi wheels

but it is so random

I don't know if it's worth it on fusion

I'm only missing Yuan Fei

or Yuan Mei whatever her name is

[little moat]

Need me some Yunma Fei

[somber dagger]

so I can get rid of 1 and 3

[somber dagger]

oh you also want that yunma fei haha

so close yet so far xD

what do you guys think

should I spend like 1 k gems on jianshi coins ?

and spin for like an hour

xD

[little moat]

Just spin profane

Get soulshields and blue cards

[somber dagger]

yeah

but bro

let's say you spin 1000 times

how many blue cards u get ?

like around

[sage tulip]

blue ones i always get a bunch when spinning

[wooden rain]

i always get a lot except when i'm trying to spin cards specifically

[somber dagger]

but when u fuse it's like

you gotta get lucky

[wooden rain]

last time i did 500 i got 9 cards i think

[spice junco]

Is it better than doing 1000 Kaaris

[somber dagger]

to get THE Card u need

[hybrid willow]

Why all fight i switch stance automatic from fire to normal for no reason

[sage tulip]

yea well

rng

[somber dagger]

I think the one that is worth to spin is profane

[sage tulip]

because they cant fix this bug since game released

[somber dagger]

you know what

imma drop 1000 gems on profane coins

fck it

[spice junco]

Glgl

[sage tulip]

hope you have a macro to spin or somtin

[trim knot]

I can't rely on others to fix bad hands. I'll just get better at the build and get more crit to help :c

[spice junco]

Not rlly needed just hold f then unplug keyboard

[somber dagger]

Nah I just put my ps4 controller side on a key that I bind to F

then I afk basicaly

xD

with the weight it just keep spamming F for me ez

then I check from time to time if my inventory is full

[odd dagger]

wait that works? kek , i usually put something on my F key and go do something else

[spice junco]

Yeah just hold f then while ur holding it just unplug

[odd dagger]

pog ill do that next time

[spice junco]

As long as u get it to spin once atleast that’s how it is for me

[winged reef]

I put a piece of paper on f

[spiral sky]

just do a macro to spam f

[winged reef]

Too much work

[odd dagger]

these last few lvls on battle pass takes a while . i skipped few days of beluga early on

ya placing something heavy on F is faster than macro kek

so many pugs for training base now

[winged reef]

You need to set it up, saves a few seconds to just stick it in between the keys

[wooden rain]

i'll probably just buy some of the last levels on bp

what

[odd dagger]

who let him cook

have u guys felt like , faster clear = worser loot

[wooden rain]

placebo

[odd dagger]

4 blade calls in market , surely it will go down to 3k

[little moat]

Gazebo effect

[odd dagger]

watch me drop something good in this run , we have jst enough dps to clear him in enrage

[wooden rain]

Belt worth 50 dg

[little moat]

50 dg!

[odd dagger]

1 green book

[little moat]

Heck yes

[spiral sky]

skyrus

gonna try using blue punc

tab+rmb on cyclones only

and tab+lmb normal rotations

lets se if works

[odd dagger]

too much focus

u are prolly better of using pierce

even blue hs couldnt sustain itself during purple cyclone.

[spiral sky]

if i go pierce

its better do stay tab lmb

[odd dagger]

ya..

gotta get that purple puncture

[spiral sky]

it sux

need to save fissure too

not worth it

[somber dagger]

@odd dagger I found a macro that do anicancel

on the tab for lunar but still apply lunar hit

u want it ?

[little moat]

@sage tulip U fancy a try on BSH Training? ;d

[spiral sky]

u too heavy

[sage tulip]

would need someone to carry with dps

im barely doing 15k

it wont be enough

[odd dagger]

[spiral sky]

''Ah! As i expected!''

[little moat]

U sure?

[sage tulip]

😭

im sure yeah