#Nerf pvp

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orchid folio
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PVP is an utter joke in this game, not only do you lose durability on the weapon, kungfu masters are constantly blocking and counter attacking and we cant hit them, force masters are just running around without having to stop and cast, this guy was just jumping and casting freely and I couldnt even catch up to him or knock him down. Kungfu masters are so broken they just counter and I cant even hit them, and because its a counter they hit me back. Assassins are just stun locking me to the point I cant move with the same moves over and over with no resistances to stuns in this game you get stun locked which is insane

sand forge
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learn the quirk of your class and consider building a pvp focused skillset equip, will make your life easier in beluga

orchid folio
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the quirk??? destroyers are picking me up and killing me they cant be knocked down and spinning and killing me

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I'm cc'd to death and cant move at all, why is there not a resistance to being CC constantly

zenith sorrel
sand forge
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don't know your class so I wouldn't even know where to start

slim cove
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i stomp on the KFM but im a BM i guess its diffrent

slim cove
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my issue is that assassin flash that turns my whole screen white. and the extremely unbalanced defence>damage

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to stomp on blocking kfm just boot them (BM). their block cannot block against boot. that is how you bring a kfm out of block. im sure all classes have a skill that say "cancels defencive skills" easy
you use a skill like that then instantly stun/daze/knockdown. that is how you do pvp in bns and has allways been.

slim cove
little anvil
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I need guidance as a BM fighting against assassin. All my advices are "You can't. Get curb stomp fool"

quartz fern
little anvil
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there are two of you now? Yeah they resist all my CCs.

slim cove
little anvil
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Just had my first PVP beluga lagoon experience this week since i am only available on saturday. What i experience is infinite destroyer grabs from a bunch of them

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There are definitely some balance issues when two different classes are put against each other. I can see why they wouldn't dare to release 1 v 1 in NEO. I only play assassin in live so i never really thought the pain people had to go through. Now i know.

slim cove
little anvil
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i know i am focusing on surviving and the horn

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However i am being toss over like a volleyball to the point where i can just take my hands of my keyboard. All i could do is be a distraction. That's how my team won two games.

slim cove
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xD

wooden token
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this entire post is a skill issue

orchid folio
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I realised after that these people are spending real money on the RMAH which gives me a massive advantage over me so why bother with the game. I mean when I have 50k health and they have 75k it seemed weird at first and I forgot about the AH, I guess it's another dying P2W game

sand forge
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you know, on the topic of nerfing, should really disable going invisible with the horn that's pretty busted

wooden token
orchid folio
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no its not the game I signed up for they said it was not going to have P2W in the game and yet it does, and 100% you're lying about not spending money, I don't doubt you did if you have 83k health, next you will tell me you have like 700 AP as well without spending

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And ive already stopped playing the game anyway after realising the P2W is too much and I wont get anywhere with the dailies due to it being P2W only who can complete them, I made this post before that

wooden token
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@orchid folio im only 559AP lol having 83k HP is purely just rng on what you have on your gear i have 11k HP coming from my weapon 7k HP coming from my gloves + my soul shields are very good. There's literally nothing to gain from lying to you. like i said beyond buying the first battle pass which cost 1500 divine gems i have not spent a dime on this game

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unreal scarab
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Oh boy, crying already when neo only has 7 classes

wooden token
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its typical mmo behavior tbh

eager merlin
maiden geode
opal pawn
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The gallery is a magic place to get magical card sets done to achieve stats that give you also HP aswell! No need to be angry at anyone here you are also able to sell stuff on market to get to exchange for new Gear with more hp! There are also Psyches from Main quest and side quests that you have higher chance to toll better stat for your gear and Soul shield!

orchid folio
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neo has only 7 classes what's this meant to mean?? If anything it's easier to balance because it ONLY has 7 classes.
Money can come from the cash shop cosmetics as well as battle passes and other stuff, you don't need P2W to make money in games, this is a myth.
Sadly, I wont be able to compete with anyone who is spending hundreds on the game for the blue books which btw has a massive increase over green, not only in damage but in stuff they do, but yes typical MMO behaviour

wooden token
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the problem is your mentality you wont be able to compete with ANYONE with that mind set not everyone that has blue books are whaling and even if they are outside of 6v6 and faction related content it has 0 impact on your own gameplay. Whales aren't the reason why you're losing in PvP you're losing because you likely have very little knowledge how PvP works in this game, the game is actively working against you because of random CC resist, and you likely don't even have a proper PvP build im not talkin about stats either just books

wooden token
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In 6v6 in general the objective is not really to even kill people depending on your class you're suppose to stall / peel for your teammates that are carrying the horn. i can list what classes can do to help stall / peel

  • Kungfu Master: Manic Slam > Delay LMB Aerial combo > grapple them w/ tab. You can also grapple people when they're stunned/dazed, 3 is a knockdown, backstep > lmb is a knockdown (has to be some distance from your target if you do this though)
  • Force Master: Any ability that roots the target, grab > throw them away from your teammates
  • Assassin: This class has a lot of CC in their base kit without the need of books but some books worth noting are Web + Ice Mine. Positioning yourself for body swap to move enemies away from your teammates
  • Summoner: Anything that roots, Stunning / Knockdown into cat grapple for stalling im unsure if they have their aerial combo yet
  • Blade Master: If you can get HM Block (a shield that makes party members immune to CC) you can help them secure horns safely, Stun/Daze > Delay LMB Aerial Combo
  • Blade Dancer: Has HM block like Blade Master, Grab > Throw them away from your team, Stun > Delay LMB Aerial Combo
  • Destroyer: Stun/Daze > Grapple, idk if their 4 skill has the Knock Down > Knock Up variant combo but if they do then Knock Down > Knock Up > Delay LMB Aerial Combo
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When you have better mastery of your class you can do things like tech chasing, baiting tab escapes, etc

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I used to PvP a fair amount in the live version was diamond on KFM, Assassin, and Destroyer i will say the random CC resist is VERY annoying kinda makes it where you need a proper build to 'reliably' CC a target

orchid folio
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My mentallity is fine, people are not randomly getting blue books out of no where, even when you get pages for these books it's only a chance for you to get them f2p, so the best option is the AH for the books you want, while yes build does matter, someone paying for these items will always be ahead and be better. Yes there is a chance you will out skill someone paying for it, but the RMAH is a serious problem, many games have had it and failed, throne and liberty died within the first month of coming out, diablo 3 had one as well and they took it out because it was destroying the game, so on and so on. I don't get why game companies bring any kind of P2W into the game and expect it to actually do well? Sadly, it's all about the money these days and not about actually making a good game, another one is archeage with its P2W, incredible game but bad money grabbing company. If you want to see MMORPG's last longer than six months, just take out the P2W and see, WOW is still going 20 years later for a reason. No one will ever change my mind on any P2W stuff in games.

dark cape
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Even if it is p2w in your eyes, your described problems are issues with your pvp knowledge, not anyone having a blue book.

orchid folio
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It's P2W in EVERYBODIES EYES, you're just being ignorant to the fact of it.

wooden token
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bros complaining about rng ive gotten a total of 6 blue books from transmuting but ive easily transmuted over 20 times its all rng man

orchid folio
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I'm pointing out the fact not complaining about it, the RNG system I'm fine with, never said I had an issue with it at all, my issue is with the RMAH, I've said that over and over, NEVER have I said I hate the RNG system, RNG is in all MMO's, it's apart of an MMO

wooden token
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everyone is playing under the same constraints some are more fortunate (spending money if they so wish to) than others but again not everyone that has blue books are P2Wing for them

orchid folio
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No you're right about that but the difference is someone who's buying them will have 10-15 maybe more while someone doing the RNG will have about 2 maybe 3, even getting really lucky I wouldn't say more than 3 they want

wooden token
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having blue books isn't a rite of passage theres still player skill to account for the problem is you likely don't have a proper pvp build and 6v6 unfortunately feels like DOGSHIT without one and even with one it only makes it slightly tolerable

orchid folio
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Blue books are totally different to green, and some skills work better with blue books, some builds are not complete without blue books, again someone rolling the RNG dice by making a blue book box has a chance of getting a blue book or mostly a green one, but then when opening it there is also the chance of them getting a bad book that isn't even helpful to them on pve or pvp spec that they want. Someone buying the books gets exactly what they want though. And I agree with you on the pvp aspect

wooden token
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but nothing is stopping you from also selling items etc to obtain blue books

orchid folio
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But I don't want to pay £20 for a blue book in a game, I shouldn't have to do that, I'd rather just never play the game, the reason why people complain about stuff like this is because they like the game and want to play it, I wouldn't care about the RMAH if the game didn't force me in to PVP, but it does. I have to do PVP dailies and stuff for the daily quest and for the weapons.

wooden token
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? bro you dont have to spend 20$ for a blue book you farm in-game items to sell for divine gems on the market.... imma post a screenshot of my items sold.

orchid folio
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I did sell a blue book before blue books were a thing I got lucky with war cry early on blue book and sold it for 850, I have sold other stuff too, but I don't want to rely on the AH for my stuff. I get you can buy and sell on there F2P and it's much harder as F2P because you start with 0 but some of them books are expensive, someone linked a reddit post with the price of $200 for a blue book LOL which is crazy

wooden token
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prices are expensive because people are willing to buy xyz book for that amount the market is entirely set by us so we're the only ones to blame

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orchid folio
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Yes I understand the price is set by us and all that, but you have to admit 200 is an insane price still. Also I've seen a lot of complaints about dailies and weekly quests, no gold and people running out of gold even with doing the dailies and weekly quests. I'm taking a break from the game anyway because I want to play the warlock when it comes out, I don't want to put effort into a class I'm only going to swap out later on, but I do hope things change for the better in the future, it's why I look at the suggestions page a lot and reddit

wooden token
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Oh nah I agree with you prices are INSANE but everyone is working under the same constraints like i said previously. The only way you're running out of gold really is if you're dying a lot and having to buy pots, channel hopping a lot (essence farming) or enhancing your gear a lot (you really shouldn't be doing this).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hpo555ptP48ZPSdzNEhVd2MY92dmIDlIPS1yA61WjHk/edit?usp=sharing

i made this the other day its your daily income from doing every daily in the game

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Daily Income BnS Neo
orchid folio
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I have no idea, I just seen the posts about it all on reddit and some on here under suggestion's

wooden token
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the channel hopping thing is really the only valid argument. People who are tappin gear and complaining are just silly / greedy lol we're literally 6 days into the update....

little anvil
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I think they are new to MMORPGs. This kind of stuff and systems should not be new to them especially when it comes to Korean games.

wooden token
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the market being divine gem / prem currency starting with throne n liberty p sure

orchid folio
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@little anvil I dont know how old you are but I can tell you old MMORPG's NEVER had P2W in them EVER... so no, this kind of stuff isn't normal, maybe in this day and age, and only since we have had korean MMOs yes, it's always the korean MMOs, but when you look at western MMOs its never P2W, to name a few, WOW, FF14, SWTOR when it came out, LOTR, wildstar so on. I've been playing MMORPG's since 2004.

little anvil
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P2W is in their blood

orchid folio
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yes they love it but it is not a common thing in MMOs in general only their ones, and their ones are the only ones we have got lately because it takes 4 years for an mmo minimum and millions to make one, I mean star citizen has taken over 10 and over 100 million making it

wooden token
little anvil
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Man I miss dragon nest

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They are very good at combat design

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Heard they are making a new game