True Accessory Drop Rate

[obtuse ivy]

SUMMARY
As it stands now very little people have seen them and those who have and used them no longer play, so the suggestion is to up the odds of it dropping even if only by 2% would already be a huge increase.

MAIN ISSUE
This concerns highly geared players to end game players mostly, the issue is those players running hundreds of thousands of runs on the highest possible content and not being rewarded for their insane count of runs, and while clearing a Stage 6 Sanguine Abyss is no easy feat, i believe after 5000 runs or so people would expect to maybe even have a glimpse of seeing a single True Accessory, of course not the entire server should have them, but the amount of reported drops between both NA and EU server is 1 recorded and 1 mishap with support, the rest we never had any confirmation.

POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS
This comes to no surprise that the Solution is to possibly review the odds of such Item drops and make an adjustment to reward those who actively farm for it, no need for an achievement unlock, however as someone who's done countless runs, it seems impossible to even see one and get any hope

EVIDENCE/EXAMPLES
Unfortunately it comes down to

The amount of reported drops between both NA and EU server is 1 recorded and 1 mishap with support, the rest we never had any confirmation.

@crisp shadow if you want me to add anything that i didnt properly express into the solution/main issue hit me up

[cosmic tulip]

There are far more then a total of 1 drops, at least five people on NA have one or more True Accessories. Doesn't excuse the absolutely abyssal drop rates, but still.

[obtuse ivy]

yeh in EU we also have 12 true Accessories, did you see a screenshot on them drop or confirmation ? that was my point

[cosmic tulip]

Gunner has FOUR on NA, so just him alone accounts for four of the drops. Also why would a screenshot of the drop be the only 'confirmation' that they exist?

[obtuse ivy]

Its not as much as existance, but that those 4 Accessories that some people have, are botted, unless you're completely oblivious to this, the reason why "confirmation" or proof of drop exists is to give hope to some, and nobody is gonna drop an actual True Accessory and not say anything lets be honest its one of the games greatest treasures and hardest items to obtain ^^
If it werent for botting you'd be sitting at a possible 4 true accessories between both regions due to people not bothering to farm with such low chances

[cosmic tulip]

How or why it dropped doesn't matter. There are far more then 1 confirmed drop across NA/EU...though I'd say there's probably not more then 20-30 across both regions even with the extreme botting that occurred. F2 is the proof drops have happened.

Like don't get me wrong, I actually agree with you and feel their drop chances are waaaaaaaaaay too low. And soon they'll become even lower, too...once Yeti is removed from Demonsbane. Yeti 16 is actually relatively accessible to people compared to SA and FF 5.

[obtuse ivy]

idk i feel like how it dropped does matter, if a player i play with and farm everyday farms and drops one, it gives me as a player hope to farm for them or more of them, while if i know someone bought it from cough cough unknown source its just "there's no hope for us peasants"

[scenic jolt]

EU has 3 'recorded' drops afaik - 2 rings and 1 glove

[obtuse ivy]

oh nice to hear only remember Soat's Ring

[balmy vector]

Soat, Zyholia, heize are public drops

[obtuse ivy]

[obtuse ivy]

Believe i saw that one in Alice's Discord, Daniel is the one with it right ?

[ashen viper]

Happened to us After around 1k Yeti runs

[obtuse ivy]

i assume its 20's as well i did a upwards of 2k runs of SI 16 never got lucky unfortunately idk how high the %'s are my self so the 5k i indicated on the most could be exaggerated going a bit by how "premium" items go by in other games where you have to drop around 300+ hours for a top of the top item

[tranquil lion]

2k runs.... god I do not miss grinding this game out...

[twin terrace]

If you upped the drop rate by 2%, there would be multiple players with new true accessories every day; 2% is actually a very high chance.

The problem with these item is that they are gamebreaking for PvE, they shouldn't even exist in the first place, they've got to stay as a really really low chance.

I will agree that the drop rate should probably be upped, even just a little bit. With the insane numbers of Yeti runs we've done, at least in the 1-2k range minimum, there's nothing we have to show for it. Hell we literally dropped our first brilliant stormtide stone last week long after that gear has been outdated and they're giving dozens out for free with the current event

[obtuse ivy]

Yeh 2% is a big number agree but i feel like odds are on the negative as of the moment so might as well pass it from -1% to 1%

[tranquil lion]

MS2 failed due to rng. Some guy clears gear one day the rest don't get it for weeks? This breaks a lot more than just the game.
Maybe put a guarantee system back where it at least gives a bound item to your class after X amount of runs. Didn't we used to have that, what happened to it - don't answer that I was being sarcastic. lol

If it is a tradable item this makes sense. But at least give a brotha a lil leeway with a bound item/upgrade/mat etc or somethin for that toil and trouble.

[obtuse ivy]

we used to have the 300 runs to unlock item yes, but these are "Premium" quality items its an item that will change a lot of your dps and party play as well, it is in fact that broken, as it is that good it cant be obtained by just anyone which makes it fair that only the highest geared can have a chance to obtain it through their already hard journey so RNG is required due to how insanely valueable they are

[twin terrace]

As for those of us that have them, well most of us still play actually, at least in NA.

The reason a lot of the true item players quit is because the game loses so much difficulty by having these items. Like we get a new dungeon, then we clear the max stage of said new dungeon week 1 without having to farm for and upgrade the new gear bc true items are just that strong. Especially with the heavy amount of recycled content we get, it's hard to want to continue playing.

Also FYI there's a damage cap per hit of 30b. Our BAP from equipment also caps at 30000. You can hit these numbers with true item procs, what is the point to upgrade our gear more?

[tranquil lion]

yeah this was immitated in MS2, ppl leave guilds and break bonds over gearing and competitive play, PvE or not. I really am against this gatekeeping when people are throwing thousands of runs for it. At a certain point it becomes inhumane, and your system is enforcing the players to be inhumane for fomo, gate kept gearing fomo, a requirement in any game like this. The current way just ain't it man.

[tranquil lion]

Power creep ceiling, wheres the next tier of accessories 6 months later*, lol. This business model is shaped towards endless grind, so this is an interesting prospect.

[obtuse ivy]

for True Accessory owners, there is no Next Tier the Accessory gets buffed if a tier is higher than its dmg

[twin terrace]

Every new gear tier, they buff the stats of all the previous true acc

[obtuse ivy]

True Accs Tier2 NCSoon™️

[twin terrace]

I don't quite reach the 30k limit myself but I imagine I could by the end of the next tier

[balmy vector]

The problem with smth like true acc is, that if you happen to drop them, you ruin entire ranking ladder and always win, why ? because you had better rng... not skill or anything...You also never have to upgrade the new tier of acc as your true acc will get buffed with every patch, making them save gold and material farming...

[tranquil lion]

sounds more broken and game breaking than MS2 at this point lol

[wide shale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164688789634031657/1206713664841711616/image.png?ex=65dd02ad&is=65ca8dad&hm=4c7ce6de363a660dbd48ed435cc590932c8ce4f438e10102afa52345f8d7271c& u beat the game pov?

higher drop rate is cool but doesn't save players not running higher than stage 3-4 on max gear (or 8-12 yeti) other than one ranking clear for reasons when they clearly become faster to run overtime
korean whales do max stages as dailies AND farm no shit they already dropped a bracelet from new dungeon even with copium drop rate
it's also an issue with rest of the loot being pure garbage too and korean devs moving slate bis and stuff out of endgame dungeons to crap like bsh and new dung doesn't help lo to incentive players to run high floors

NA chinese whales are also not flexing in public discords as they have their community and yk it's them and couple more groups only running high floors in NA
even in EU with smaller chinese community they only type in their discord that's actually where i saw soat's ring before other discords since he was ranking with them at the time

[crisp shadow]

Didn't know that such a limit existed lmao

[wide shale]

learned it not long ago from fellow whale DB
does that mean we'll never see more than 400b burst?

[crisp shadow]

He should run others stats now

[wide shale]

knew it ap+bap slate was bad
need those Damage cap sigils from granblue fantasy

[crisp shadow]

That's weird that such a limit exist

[wide shale]

so GM weapon with 10k ap Johnathan had on stream didn't oneshot

[crisp shadow]

Maybe class issue

[wide shale]

one more perc equipped and max bottom 4 and ur probably very close to it? i don't remember what is calculated as base

[twin terrace]

Ya no idea what counts as base but my heart is +12 but the rest are +20. After finishing accessories I’ll be pretty close, again at which point, bap won’t do anything for me which is pretty silly honestly (I’m far from 30b hits as an ast though)

[scenic jolt]

[timid geyser]

Surely they increase bap cap soon

[cosmic tulip]

Honestly what the game needs is accurate postings of all drop rates, not just for True Accessories but EVERYTHING.

[waxen spade]

That sounds too fair, they can't just do that /s

[tranquil lion]

Yeah this aint CN's laws on predatory gacha, they can't just be that honest with their player base xD

[solemn summit]

yea i dropped glove on a random yeti run

[obtuse ivy]

NCSoon™️

[scenic jolt]

True acc droprate

[obtuse ivy]

[obtuse ivy]

day 650 checking if it is under review

[balmy vector]

bump dont forget to leave your heart c:

[crisp shadow]

leave ur biggest heart ❤️
We all wanna press B and G

[vale ledge]

Achievement for 500 stg4/5 runs +20k gold should allow us to purchase a true accessory. The gap between non true accessories users is huge.

[crystal crypt]

If they would do something like that it should be 1k runs of stage 6

[crisp shadow]

if not stage 7, so it got some benefit to do it, and it would be a very end game farm
Because right now i don't think there are better odds on stage 6-7 than stage 5 for farming true accs

[waxen spade]

You're nuts if you think this thing should just be handed even at 500 runs and 20kg. Unless you want to be Taiwan sure

[wide shale]

lmao bro stage 4/5 is burst oneshot for my party I'd get a true accessory in 3 days

[twin terrace]

500 runs of stg5 is truly nothing for something that is perma bis and 20k gold is so little gold rest bonus can give you more

aint no way they should ever be that easy, we'd have the runs done in just a couple days

[balmy vector]

True Accessories are considered endgame and not mid Gear Items. 1k runs of highest Stage Demonsbane is negotiatable

[crisp shadow]

Yh for sure no way stage 4/5, if an achievement is related to true acc it must be stage 7 or nothing

[wide shale]

full set true accessories becomes easier than a +20 soul like that

[crisp shadow]

isn't it already ?

[wide shale]

no soul is definitely cheaper than a single one

[crisp shadow]

have u tried pity every stage from manifest 16 to fervid 20 ?

[dapper temple]

Well "Awakened" accs should help bridge the gap between the accs, like maybe make it harder to get Awakened accs, but in doing so compensate by maybe increasing the skill modifier dmg to bridge the gap between non true acc and true acc.

[crisp shadow]

If u remove the cash shop way it's already hard to get them...

[twin terrace]

I've dropped just 4 Ichoron hearts to date,

You're not getting them without events/cash shop, the rates are too terrible

[crisp shadow]

Yh it's already too long to farm for the small gain...

[scenic jolt]

The real gain from them is when you succession to the next tier but even between 6 people and the ~500+ runs or so we’ve done collectively, we’ve seen a total of less than 10 hearts between all of us. And you need 90 of them to awaken all 3 accessories, let alone 60 battalion energy for the weapon nvm the fact that energies only drop from foundry too and not both dungeons

[next crest]

We are getting off-topic here, but on the subject of Awakened Blood Night, I assume the stage 7 clearers were also buying the Ichoron Hearts and Maggan Fragments from the Mushin's Tower vendor since week 1 or 2?

[scenic jolt]

First awakened accessory for me was 3 heart drops, the 20x heart battle pass, and 4 weeks of buying from vendor. The rest of my awakened accessories have been from the current Sakura box event. The droprate for these is already pretty abysmal. True accessory droprate (and the tradable brilliant stones) are even worse than that.

[cosmic tulip]

The fact that you had to do that much whaling though is nuts, and highlights the problems at play.

Honestly, after a lot of thinking about it and discussions elsewhere...I would like to see evidence that True Accessories have dropped legit, as well as their drop rates provided.

[next crest]

Yeah, we need to see the True Accessory drop rates at this point, because it's starting to look like 0.01-0.05% even at stage 7.

[scenic jolt]

There’s been 3 confirmed drops in EU. 2 rings (nexus and isle) and 1 glove (yeti)

[cosmic tulip]

I thought a Ring existed during the Aerodrome and Substrat days, or is that one of the 'unconfirmed' ones?

[scenic jolt]

If you’re referring to redacted’s ring that was a gm being stupid af and believing a photoshopped screenshot he tried again during nexus to get a neck but it didn’t work for obvious reasons

[wide shale]

forgot some zeros on that drop rate assumption

[crisp shadow]

where's NA drop

[balmy vector]

Where is my True Glove ?

[crisp shadow]

can just say where are true accs overall

[idle hedge]

#removetrueacc

[crisp shadow]

U'll Make some people mad

[idle hedge]

I take back what I said, please noone be mad

[balmy vector]

delete this was done with support abuse

[inland dragon]

ok then, today i learnt xD, someone might want to share this info on that server too then xD

[scenic jolt]

When the one who got said 'ring' shows screenshots of the gm convo to get said thing, it aint very legitimate now, is it

[inland dragon]

i just knew about this post a while back, didn't know the backstory xD that's wild

[scenic jolt]

it didnt get revealed until much later by the guy well after he moved to lost ark so no one knew for awhile

[balmy vector]

I still had no True Acc in my Loottable, @crisp shadow is not doing the Raindance so you gotta increase the odds, yes ?

[crisp shadow]

for me @balmy vector

[balmy vector]

😳

[crisp shadow]

tomorrow we drop

[balmy vector]

Yes !

[obtuse ivy]

[crisp shadow]

1:2500

[balmy vector]

that one was just pure luck, more like 1:5000

[crisp shadow]

they are all pure luck based

[river compass]

Any news about drops this month?

[balmy vector]

1 Bracelet

[river compass]

Hmm good good

[harsh jolt]

[balmy vector]

Was it not this month that Erhardt dropped it, was it last ?