Technical Computer Building/Learning

[viscid torrent]

You don't need new ram

[acoustic rose]

no you dont need one. thats the max supported and your CPU doesn't support 4400 anyway

[viscid torrent]

And if you already have that motherboard then no need to get a new one either

Plus you have an X3D cpu, which doesn't care about fast ram at all

[sick girder]

i see that oO

[sick girder]

Oki

[viscid torrent]

You're perfectly ok with what you have now ^^

[sick girder]

but my dream is 4K 240hz with pathtracing

[viscid torrent]

You'll have to get an RTX 5090 then

cpu or ram is not going to help you with that

[sudden portal]

Hi I decided I’m purchasing this laptop but is it a certain monitor I can connect it to or.?
The laptop:
https://a.co/d/5bBjMNY

[viscid torrent]

You can connect it to any monitor

[onyx adder]

Ja would my gaming laptop be able to work for the game it’s a msi katana core i7 11800h rtx GeForce nvidia 3060 16gb ? Any reply’s will be appreciated

[frozen vessel]

@viscid torrent sooo I’m gonna order now. Double check these specs and see if I’m good ☺️

https://amzn.to/4jPhTP7

[viscid torrent]

It might struggle. The 3060 in the Katana runs at a pretty low wattage making it rather slow

[viscid torrent]

Looks good yes ^^

[onyx adder]

Okay I’ve had mixed responses some say it’ll be fine on low to medium and it meets the minimum requirements

[frozen vessel]

Thank you ! 🥹🥹

[viscid torrent]

It does not meet minimum requirements

The 3060 at that wattage is below minimum

At a higher wattage it would be above minimum requirements. But unfortunately due to MSI being silly your laptop does not meet the minimum requirements

[onyx adder]

It meets the minimum it’s above the specs they have on there so how doesn’t it meet the minimum ? What do you mean by wattage ?

[viscid torrent]

The 3060 runs at a low wattage making pretty slow. As a result it doesn't meet the minimum requirements

[onyx adder]

Oh okay, well that’s odd so I have a gaming laptop what meets the minimum and is just under the recommended but won’t meet it because it’s slow ? Hmm

[viscid torrent]

You have a gaming laptop that does not meet the minimum due to the TGP of your graphics card

Also, keep in mind a laptop 3060 =/= a desktop 3060

[onyx adder]

Alright well how is that ? When the lowest minimum has a lower graphics card than mine ? It’s rtx 2060 ? And mines a rtx 3060 ? So I’m confused so my graphics card is lower than the 2060 ? And is slow so won’t work your saying ?

[viscid torrent]

At max TGP the mobile 3060 is about 15% slower than its desktop counterpart. Unfortunately the 3060 in the Katana is running at nearly half of the max TGP

[onyx adder]

Right so basically they made a laptop that’s not really a 3060 then ? So they lying to customers what buy it ? Im lost

[viscid torrent]

The minimum lists a desktop 2060, you have a low TGP laptop 3060, which is equal to, probably like a desktop GTX 1650 Super is my guess

[onyx adder]

All laptops are slowly than desktops that’s a given but your saying that my laptop won’t even run the game because it don’t even meet minimum I don’t know guess I need to wait till they bring it out on ps

[viscid torrent]

I'm not saying that

I'm saying it will probably struggle

It'll run the game, but don't expect to run it at high settings with great fps

[onyx adder]

Right so what about everyone on gaming laptops don’t they have specs for us then seen as that’s a desktop spec ? How on earth are we meant to know what specs we need if gaming laptops be slower and don’t run at what they apparently meant to run at

[viscid torrent]

Well, you can check reviews of laptops and match performance of different graphics cards at their tgp's to desktop equivalents

[onyx adder]

I know I can’t run it on high I never said I couldn’t was asking as I’ve had mixed reviews some say it can run fine, then other say it will be on low to run the game but then now it’s obviously not going to run at all if gaming laptop specs ain’t actually what they say they are supposed to be

[viscid torrent]

4060 and 4070 laptops at 105w and higher will be just below the recommended requirement in terms of gpu performance so those are perfectly fine to run the game well

[onyx adder]

I assumed if you have a gaming laptop and it meets them specs it should then work even if it’s not a desktop

Yeah but them laptops will be running on high graphics obviously people that have lower end laptops or desktops won’t be

[viscid torrent]

Unfortunately, Nvidia made laptops the most difficult thing for consumers

Because your 3060 for example. It can be anywhere between 60 and 140w

And the performance difference between that is very noticable

The 3060 in the Katana is 85w, which is pretty slow

[onyx adder]

In all honesty I’ve only had my gaming laptop 2years just over so I didn’t know what I needed until a new game comes out you would like to play then now it’s like oh would it work or can’t it work I have no clue on this stuff the demo worked fine on there so I ain’t sure.

[viscid torrent]

And as a result rather than being above the minimum requirements, it performs below the minimum requirements for the game

Because a 3060 at 140w will be above the minimum requirements

[onyx adder]

That’s so rubbish

[viscid torrent]

Yeah, you can thank Nvidia for that

It really sucks

[onyx adder]

How do I know what watt it runs at ?

[onyx adder]

That’s stupid I thought I’d least play on low possible medium at a push

[viscid torrent]

You have to look up the specs on the manufacturer's website. And if they don't list it themselves look up reviews or sometimes people on reddit or other forums figured it out

You can probably run the game on minimum settings is my guess

Especially because you can use DLSS

But hey, maybe the game is pretty well optimized and it runs perfectly fine on low graphics for you

It is just something to be aware of that you technically don't meet the minimum requirements to it might be a little rough experience wise to run the game

But I do hope that it runs fine on low / lowest settings ^^

[onyx adder]

Yeah maybe will see

[sick girder]

A bit

[viscid torrent]

4k is really gpu intensive

[high spindle]

👀

https://tenor.com/view/rudy-mancuso-vine-yes-excited-michael-jackson-gif-3582311

[lusty oracle]

very gpu intensive

that's basically 4 1080p monitors together

[latent tapir]

Hey,

I'd like your opinion on something.
Kjun announced that they were working on Smart zoi in collusion with NVIDIA's AI (from what I understand anyway).
However someone posted a message in this server because he was worried that this partnership would result in “limitations” to non-Nvidia graphics cards, a bit like DLSS or RTX.
I don't know anything about this, what do you think? is it possible that AMD cards are somehow at a disadvantage?

Thanks

[midnight coyote]

I believe someone emailed krafton themselves to verify this and they had mentioned it wasnt limited to just nvidia. However I'm not quite sure which wishlist post it was.

it has not been confirmed by the devs here though.

[latent tapir]

Ok! Thank u

[grizzled path]

i bought a 16 gb ram just for inzoi 😭😭

[frozen vessel]

32 Gb for me 😭😭 was nervous about the other apps while playing Inzoi 😭

For recording

[heady quail]

When will the prices drop??

[viscid torrent]

Probably never

Prices will stay high until the supply is gone is my guess

[latent tapir]

Is watercooling really better than simple fans?
Thanks

[acoustic rose]

Generally yes for more power hungry components but a decent air cooler is usually more than enough for most CPUs and they're also more silent in idle because they have no pump etc

[latent tapir]

Thanks!

[viscid torrent]

Depends

Putting a watercooler on a lower power cpu is going to give the same performance but probably more noise than using a decent aircooler

Watercooling starts getting interesting performance wise once you start looking at higher power consumption components

Like, I have a watercooler, but that's purely due to the aesthetics. I can have the exact same cooling results with an aircooler that's a third the price

[latent tapir]

Oh ok! Thank you!!

I made up my mind for my pc upgrade, and I think that I'll go with 5700X3D + RX 7900 XT
Does it sound good? I chose based on current performance/price

[viscid torrent]

It sounds great

Will be a lot faster than my pc :P

[latent tapir]

oh ? What do you have ?

[latent tapir]

Does anyone know how to check that a ventirad will be sufficient for a new configuration?

I'm not sure ... on the internet they talk about checking the “TDP”, the processor I'm aiming at (Ryzen 7 5700X3D) is at “TDP 105W / Real TDP 130W”, the TDP of my current ventirad (Cryorig H5 Ultimate) is 160W, so in theory it would be good but should I check something else?

Thanks a lot!

[viscid torrent]

The 5700X3D uses like 65 watts during gaming

So you're more than fine

[viscid torrent]

I have a 5700X3D and RTX 3070 :)

[latent tapir]

Oh good to know! Thanks!

[latent tapir]

Oh, are you happy of your CPU then? xd
How much did it cost for u?

[viscid torrent]

Less actually, it basically consumes a little bit less power than the 5800X3D

Oh very happy, it's super good

I paid 165 euros for it

During black friday

[latent tapir]

Smart!

There is a sale on the card by one of the french vendor, i can save up to 15 euro, it's still great but wish there was more days like black friday though

[viscid torrent]

There's plenty of youtube guides out there on how to replace a graphics card :)

[latent tapir]

Hey,
Can anyone tell me if i need to update the bios? I'm on version 64c, and the motherboard compatibility file says that my new CPU is supported since version F61. It may sounds silly, but I'm not familiar with the Gygabyte / Aorus Elite rating system.

Thanks !

[viscid torrent]

It's always useful to have the latest bios version as it usually comes with stability updates and such

[latent tapir]

what is the latest version please? They are not in order

[viscid torrent]

https://www.aorus.com/motherboards/b450-aorus-elite-rev-1x/Support

F67d is the latest one it says

In the downloads section

[latent tapir]

oh thanks, i wasn't in the right tab 😳

[latent tapir]

Can I just download the latest or is it better to do it one by one ? (Someone mentioned that sometimes some versions don't have certain features)

[viscid torrent]

You can just download the latest

Or well

Check with the descriptions

Because it all depends on what bios version you're currently

But you should be able to just update the the latest one

[latent tapir]

I'm on 64c, I'm not seeing my version in the list though

[viscid torrent]

Are you sure that was the version? Motherboard is correct as well?

[latent tapir]

I did Windows + R and msinfo 32

It's in french but it's written Bios version like in english and it said F64c, and it confirmed that my motherboard is a B450 Aorus Elite

[viscid torrent]

Well, it's not on the site for whatever reason, but it's going to be in between F63 and F66

You can just update to the latest one

Could be that the F64c bios is on the French website maybe

No it's not :P

But yeah, you can just go to the latest one

[latent tapir]

Thank you!!

Can i bother you one last time? (i promise it's the last time)
I saw on a tutorial video that when you change the cpu for a ryzen 7, you apparently have to add mounting bars to the motherboard and attach the ventirad directly to them. Does that mean anything to you? It's the first time I've heard that in my research, and I can't find anything about it on internet

[viscid torrent]

What's a ventirad?

[latent tapir]

I was trying to convince myself to change the cpu myself (and thus save 120 euro), but I was afraid of disassembling the ventirad because I've never done it before, and I came across this "mounting bars" thing while watching a tutorial video

[latent tapir]

Oh sorry, it may be how we call it in french, it's the aircooling system?

With fan ?

[viscid torrent]

Oh, you just attach it the same way as is now or as is described in the manual of the cooler

[latent tapir]

This

ok!

Thank you very much for your help over the last few days

[viscid torrent]

Always happy to help ^^

[vestal viper]

Hey guys. 🙂
I have some concerns.
Will the NVIDIA ACE-powered AI features work for me if I have an AMD card?
Also, will I have raytracing and DLSS if I have an AMD card?
I'm planning to buy a PC that has AMD® Ryzen5 7600X - 5,3Ghz Turbo for a CPU and an Asus RTX4070 SUPER 12GB DDR6X for a GPU, but I won't buy it if these won't work with that computer.
Thank you in advance. 🙂

[viscid torrent]

That's Nvidia

So you'll have all the features you mentioned

Ray tracing is really heavy though so it might not run that great on the 4070 Super, but that really varies from game to game so hard to say how it will be in Inzoi yet :)

[latent tapir]

I think you're confusing graphics card and processor: AMD's Ryzen5 7600X is the processor, and NVIDIA's RTX4070 SUPER is the graphics card. NVIDIA doesn't offer processor (yet).
DLSS and Raytracing are linked to the graphic card, not the processor

Edit : Smart Zoi will work on AMD graphic card too, per the dev :
#1330599214664912946 message

[vestal viper]

Thank you. 🙂

[vestal viper]

And would ray tracing run better on an RTX 4070 Ti Super?

[vestal viper]

Oh, you're right. Sorry. 🙂
Thank you. 🙂

[viscid torrent]

Depends on the game. In some games it'll be a great experience, it others you'll barely have 60 fps

[vestal viper]

Alright.
And with the Asus RTX4070 SUPER 12GB DDR6X GPU, will I be able to use My Texture too?

[viscid torrent]

My Texture?

[vestal viper]

Yes, the feature where you can create your own texture to put on clothes using AI.
My current graphics card doesn't support it.

[acoustic rose]

Yes because it's a higher tier model but it really depends on how much you want to spend extra

[viscid torrent]

Ah that! It should, it ran on my RTX 3070 so I assume it'll work on a 4070 :P

[vestal viper]

I'm aiming to buy the computer with the RTX 4070 SUPER GPU. I guess then it's strong enough for inZOI?

[acoustic rose]

Yes.

[viscid torrent]

Oh yeah, more than good enough

[vestal viper]

I hope so. Because I really want to have all the features that inZOI has.

[vestal viper]

That's great! Thank you. 🙂

[viscid torrent]

As for ray tracing, as long as the game isn't out yet it'll be difficult to say how it performs yet :(

[vestal viper]

I hope it'll work well, because my plan is to get the new PC before launch day. To be able to play right away as soon as it comes out.

[viscid torrent]

My guess is that it probably will

In most newer games the 4070 Super does get 60 fps or higher with ray tracing

[vestal viper]

That's great. I hope so. 🙂
Thank you for your help.

[acoustic rose]

You might also be overestimating raytracing. Unless its's cyberpunk in RT overdrive the difference is often very negligible in most games and looking at Inzoi I think it will be negligible as well

[viscid torrent]

The difference in a lot of games is quite substantial

Alan Wake 2 you lose about 30% of your fps, Cyberpunk about 50%, Elden Ring also like 50%,

But then there's also games like Silent Hill 2 and Resident Evil 4 where you lose like only 10%

So it really varies a lot from game to game

So it could be that in Inzoi the performance difference will be minimal, but it could also be pretty heavy

We'll have to wait till launch and see :P

[acoustic rose]

I meant the visual difference, not performance loss.

[viscid torrent]

Ah that

Yeah, that also really depends

Plenty of games where ray tracing will be pretty heavy performance wise but there's barely any visual difference

I usually keep ray tracing turned off as in most games it barely changes the graphics

[slow oxide]

even more for CP if you’re using path tracing, but that’s a brute force way of getting better reflection visuals

[sick girder]

i got +30 fps with pathtracing at 1080p with xess

[viscid torrent]

30 fps doesn't really sound that enjoyable :P

[rare scarab]

Monster Hunter Wild, anyone excited to play this game?

[viscid torrent]

I really enjoyed worlds, so I'll probably pick this one up when it's on sale maybe

It ran pretty well all things considered

[rare scarab]

5700x3d is goat bro 😎

[viscid torrent]

I know, that's why I have it :v

[latent tapir]

:crying in 51 FPS:

[languid fossil]

Me crying in 9950X with RTX4090 and 192GB of RAM

[compact stone]

Hi everyone. So about a year ago i got this computer

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-omen-40l-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-7700-32gb-ddr5-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-1tb-ssd-black/6578846.p?skuId=6578846

And it says it has 32 gigabytes of ram but i dont think so. How do i check? Also what would you recommend i get so i can play inzoi on the highest graphic settings without lag?

I am completely ignorant to tech stuff. Like someone chose that computer for me and told me it is a good start

[viscid torrent]

That computer is really good so you should be able to run Inzoi perfectly fine

In terms of checking your ram, you can open task manager, it should say how much you have there

[compact stone]

so i think it lied to me

[viscid torrent]

Hm

I'd say contact the store or something

[compact stone]

also is it normal to have cpu usage at like 50-60% while playing games?

[viscid torrent]

Depends on the game and your gpu usage

And the resolution you game at

Most games don't use every single core on your CPU, they only use a couple. So 50-60% usage is very normal

But yeah, I'd say check on your invoice / receipt of the pc if it mentions that it's the 32GB model, just in case you didn't accidentally buy a 16GB model instead and just overlooked it. And if you indeed bought the 32GB one then contact the store that, well, you don't have the thing you paid for :P

[compact stone]

so they sold me the wrong computer and refundeed me the difference but the 32 is on sale now so i got like nothing lol!

[slow oxide]

soo like they refunded you the price difference?

if so, then how much

if it’s like ~120$ then you should be able to buy a basic 32GB DDR5-5600/6000 kit

[slow oxide]

Maya user spotted

or do you like your tris count many

[languid fossil]

VM image builder and GNS3

[languid fossil]

Recalibrated my Memory Speed

[slow oxide]

ECC too?

[languid fossil]

No just DDR5

ECC can't get that high without suffering latency issues

[orchid glacier]

ill be fine for inzoi

[still peak]

So if I read it right, I have: 12th gen intel (r) core (tm) 19-12900k should that be fine? and which setting should I run it on? medium high?

[orchid glacier]

it should handle ultra

if your gpu is powerful enough

[potent rover]

does 97% here means I can run inZOI at 1440p High Ultra with 60+fps?

[rare scarab]

Shit happen to my pc. suddenly loud fan noise and screen turn black lol, need to force shutdown, is this power supply issues?

[alpine lark]

Can a HP laptop run inzoi

I'm just wondering

hp Latop 15-dy5xx

is what i have

[lost heath]

Hello! I have a question regarding my graphic card. I have an Intel (R) Arc (TM) Graphics Family: 140 V GPU (16 GB), will that be enough for the game? The laptop is an Acer Swift SF16-51T-932H AI. Thank you!

[earnest oxide]

Are there any big diff between 3060 ti and 3070?

[rare scarab]

https://www.pcgamebenchmark.com/ try this

search inZOI

[lost heath]

I tried, but they don't have the Intel Arc 140V listed

[viscid torrent]

These kinds of websites don't really say much outside of comparing number X with number Y and saying "wowie! 10 is bigger than 6, congratulations"
Your system is very much better than the recommended requirements for the game. However, as long as the game isn't out yet it's difficult to say how it performs. Based on what's known so far though, you'll probably be fine running the game at 1440p high

[viscid torrent]

All of the different laptops I can find when I search for that model name are not able to run the game

[viscid torrent]

Looking at how the 140V performs in other UE5 games, I think you might be able to run the game on the lowest settings. But don't take my word for that :v

In some UE5 games it easily does around 40-60 fps, in others it barely reaches 20

It all comes down to the optimization

And how heavy the game is

[viscid torrent]

This could be a lot of things. Do you know the specs of your computer? And what were you doing when it happened? Anything heavy?

[rare scarab]

4080super 7800x3d, its my second comp

🤣

maybe the PSU was broke, i heard bzzt sound when thunderstorm hitting my home last night

[lost heath]

Thank you for your response! 🙏 Do you happen to know any other source that I could check to find out more?

[viscid torrent]

What would you like to find more about?

[viscid torrent]

Well, one way to figure out could be replacing the psu and seeing if that fixes stuff. Usually if you have grounded wall sockets etc your pc should be fine if lightning strikes your house or something. But pc's dying in thunderstorms is not unheard of :v

[rare scarab]

yeah

[viscid torrent]

But I take that as you were not doing anything heavy at all and it crashed paired with a buzzing sound during a thunder on your house

[rare scarab]

shit man, i got abandoned in ranked game cause of this

[viscid torrent]

I guess your wall sockets aren't grounded then

And / or powerstrip

[rare scarab]

i have like this, instead 2 i have 3

one for monitor, one for connector and one for aircond

[lost heath]

Furher confirmation that it works, only because you said you weren't sure. I couldn't find any info so far online. I'm kinda anxious that I bought a new laptop that I might not be able to use for inzoi

[viscid torrent]

Well, as long as the game isn't out it's only possible to look at how certain hardware performs in other games and then apply that to Inzoi. For example, The First Descendant is a UE5 title and in that game the 140V gets like 40-50 fps on low. Then there is Black Myth Wukong where it's more towards 15 fps on low.
So as long as Inzoi isn't out it's a bit difficult to give a definitive "yes can play the game fine." But I have a feeling that at the lowest settings you can probably have a playable experience. I hope at least

[rare scarab]

new doesn’t mean it’s good, we have entry level gpu, mid range, and high end

[lost heath]

Alright thank you for your response! 🙏

[viscid torrent]

Also, did your pc like turn on again or is it dead dead?

[rare scarab]

its like RNG rn, damn, i just switch desktop, im using my 5080 work pc to play game rn lol

[viscid torrent]

Is that a yes or a no?

[rare scarab]

the screen just turned black, but i can still heard the sound, so i need force shutdown and boot up again, too much hassle

i just use another desktop

[viscid torrent]

So after it crashed you haven't checked if it turned on again?

[rare scarab]

nothing happen

its rng like i said

wasting my time to figure it out lol

[viscid torrent]

Yeah idk what that means in this context

[rare scarab]

even window logs doesnt help! fuck this shit lol

[viscid torrent]

In that case since it crashed with a buzzing sound, could be that your psu decided to quit. And I'll ask again, were you doing anything heavy on the pc when it happened? Like a game or something

[rare scarab]

no, i just browsing reddit and it happen, its been a month it didnt happen, but this time it happen reguarly

like 4-5 times per day

[viscid torrent]

What PSU is it?

[rare scarab]

be quiet darkpower 13

[viscid torrent]

Hm, the OCP on those are set really high for some reason so it could be that the thunderstorm did actually just fry the psu

Because the psu didn't shut itself down when the current got way too much

[rare scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-mario-walking-in-rain-mario-sad-mario-walking-gif-7966847823215482947

[slow oxide]

and next time get a proper surge protector for your house 👀

[viscid torrent]

I think if you had a different psu with tighter OCP values you would've been fine

[rare scarab]

meh, im using another desktop for now, it didnt rain for 5 month sudddenly shit happen last night

[slow oxide]

I fried 2 GFCIs from lightning strikes but PC stayin alive

[viscid torrent]

But yeah, something like a surge protector or a powerstrip with like protection could be useful for the future maybe

[slow oxide]

APC makes good stuff for that

[rare scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-gif-13029792972945826049

soon i buy generator for this shit

[slow oxide]

nah a generator ain’t gonna save your PC from getting fried brcause your house got hit with bajilion watts from a lightning

[viscid torrent]

A generator for what? To power the dead pc? :P

[rare scarab]

😡 im so mad rn bro

[slow oxide]

proper 3 phase power in your house helps too

aka having a very nice electrician deck out your house

[viscid torrent]

All I know is that all my wall sockets are grounded etc

[rare scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-dance-funny-rat-dance-dancing-rat-gif-1874324974880693067

[slow oxide]

tbf my house is probably overkill in terms of electrical protection doodads

pc < ups < plug with breaker < gfci < 3 phase power < power meter

[rare scarab]

im also grounded but shit happen anyways

maybe the thunder was from thor hammer

[slow oxide]

my setup all plugs to this bad boy (different holes on mine but same model)

[viscid torrent]

I just have a powerstrip from Ikea

[rare scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-dancing-rat-dancing-gif-24339527

[raven palm]

AMD Ryzen 7600x 3D good? hmmm

and Radeon™ RX 6800 XT Graphics Card with 32gb ram??

[rare scarab]

yes

[raven palm]

Thank you!

[alpine lark]

so i cant play inzoi?

[viscid torrent]

I don't think you can play any game on it really outside of maybe Minecraft and such

[short fulcrum]

It can run the game but probably it won't be possible to use AI powered features

[raven palm]

That's okay!

It's nice but I figure when it said RTX that I wouldn't be able to use that feature.

[viscid torrent]

AI features will work on AMD graphics cards as well

Probably not as well, but they should work as far as is known

[short fulcrum]

Not 6000 series, at least it didn't work with the demo. I said "possible" because I don't know if it's a hardware limitation

We'll know once it's out

[viscid torrent]

I see I see

Yeah, once it's out we'll know for sure :P

[raven palm]

[latent tapir]

Hey, can someone please help me?

I don't know how to remove my fan/air cooling (not sure of the english word). I don't see any screw, and I would prefer to keep the graphic card in place..
Any idea ?

(I can't remove the back panel to have a better view)

[rare scarab]

@light sun @viscid torrent

[light sun]

did you build it yourself?

if you're trying to remove the cpu cooler there is a screw

[viscid torrent]

The two holes in the top of the cooler should be for your screwdriver

[light sun]

this

but you need a really long one

[latent tapir]

Lmao

Here are my screwdrivers

[light sun]

so if you know who built it you might ask them

[latent tapir]

I purchased from an IT 'website' that mount the pc

It's named Top Achat (it's french)

[light sun]

not long enough

[latent tapir]

Yep

Guess I need to buy new one

I found a video that said that I needed to remove the fan in first, using those things, to show the screws

[light sun]

look up the brand

[light sun]

make sure screw head is the same size

[light sun]

not it

the metal wire attaches fan to the cooler

[latent tapir]

Ok!

Thank you !!

[light sun]

i might have that cooler

[latent tapir]

I found that it was a Cryorig (thanks to the logo on the cooler)

But I'm not sure of the version, maybe H5

Mine isn't sealed in the back of the MB

[light sun]

essentially you just want to make sure it's the same screw head

[light sun]

you could try zooming in with your camera

[latent tapir]

It's shape like a common cruciform screwdrivers

[light sun]

otherwise the screw won't mate with the screwdriver

[light sun]

phillips head

idk lol my mom always taught me to check because a lot of stuff uses squares in Canada where the screwdriver head size matters

[latent tapir]

Yes it's that ^^

[latent tapir]

We must check before! In France we are using three shape of screws too

[light sun]

what is the third? hex?

[latent tapir]

Not sure of the named in english so here a picture lol

The star one, the line one, and the cross one (Phillips / cruciform)

The Last on the right is always used when you build furniture too

[light sun]

left is Torx in English but I've never seen one.
middle is flathead
Cruciform =/= phillips as the centre of a phillips head is a square. Never seen an actual cruciform screw either.
one on the far right is an Allen or hex also used for furniture

[viscid torrent]

Yeah, you'll want to get some new screwdrivers

Or maybe find someone who has a toolbox or something

Since those are like screwdrivers for ants that you have :P

[white jolt]

Does anyone have perfect pc build on pcpartpicker ?

[latent tapir]

xD

Si I purchased these two screwdrivers, but they're too short I think
Either the long one is too short, or too big, I can't be sure

Any idea of the length I should take ? x.x

Or is the top of the cooler removable??

The black thing with the S

[viscid torrent]

I don't think it is, and if it was it'll only give you a mm or two of more clearance it seems

The cooler is supposed to come with a tool. But I guess whoever built it didn't provide you any of the accessories for the components in there?

The height of the cooler is 160mm, so I guess you want a screwdriver about that size or maybe a tiny bit taller

[latent tapir]

Indeed I don't have it..

[latent tapir]

I'll try to find one at the store, wish me luck!

[viscid torrent]

Be sure to check the size of the hole as well so you don't get a screwdriver that's too thick :P

[latent tapir]

So the store didn't have longer screwdrivers

So I called the IT store near my town if they were selling long screwdrivers, and the girl gave me two for free !!

Thanks you for your help to indentify were the screws were !

[viscid torrent]

^^

[latent tapir]

Sorry

Do you have a preference regarding the thermal paste ?

I don't know which one to do between the X method, the dot, the I spread with a little spatula method ?

[viscid torrent]

I just do like a dot

[latent tapir]

When booting my pc I had a strange message about new cpu installed and fmtp not enable, but then I choose to boot anyway, and it launched perfectly! I gained 20fps and less temperature

I still need to change the graphic card, but there is a support plate/bracket to install and I'm not sure how to install it, there is no manuel 😿

[potent arch]

Do you think I'll be able to play I have everything but 3gb of vram I have 5 instead of 8 I was hoping to lower the graphics like I did for the character creater after I lowered i was able to watch the opening cutscence and create the zoi with about 50 to 60 fps

Nvidia gtx 1660ti 5gb of vram

[viscid torrent]

The 1660 Ti should have 6GB of vram

It's quite a bit below the minimum requirements as well in terms of performance

You'll probably be able to play on minimum graphics but don't put your expectations too high I'd say :v

[potent arch]

Thank you I am going to try it really want to play this game i can play almost every game by treaking the settings

I can't afford the high end gracpics card it cost to much 😦

[latent tapir]

I need to move the fan

Is there a better place? Top or down please?

[viscid torrent]

That's so dusty, wowie

I'd say move it up

Down seems like it'll be blocked a little

[latent tapir]

xD

I already removed most of the dust

[latent tapir]

Thanks ^^

[sharp mural]

Could a RTX 3050 (Laptop) play Inzoi or should I try and get the 4050 (Laptop)

[hoary hill]

@viscid torrent

[viscid torrent]

Laptop 3050 is really slow and will struggle in a lot of games
A laptop 4050 meets than the minimum requirements in terms of speed, but it doesn't mean the minimum amount of vram. That said, it'll most likely still work you'll probably just have to turn down the graphics a lot for a playable experience
You do want to pay attention though. Laptop graphics cards can be configured at different wattages. So laptop X could have a 4050 at 100w and laptop Y could have a 4050 at 60w. The performance difference between the two of them will be very significant. For 4050 laptops you want a minimum of 100W preferably

[sharp mural]

Oh ok yeah i figured. Do you think upgrading to the 4050 is even worth it ? If not can you recommend me a gaming laptop that can run it smoothly i don't care about high graphics, because im deploying overseas so im just looking for something that can just run the game

[viscid torrent]

I assume you have a 3050 laptop now? A 4050 laptop would give you more than double the performance than the 3050. What is your budget and what are some stores you can buy from? I can have a look for you ^^

[sharp mural]

Yes i currently have a 3050, and my current budget is $800 and really the only store im buying from is BestBuy since is the closest or amazon

[viscid torrent]

Alright alright

@sharp mural Do you have a Microcenter anywhere nearby maybe? They often have some good deals on laptops as well

[sharp mural]

Nah i wish, back home i had one

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-tuf-gaming-a16-16-165hz-gaming-laptop-fhd-amd-ryzen-7-7735hs-with-16gb-ddr5-memory-radeon-rx7700s-512gb-pcie-ssd-off-black/6560989.p?skuId=6560989

would this be a good shot ?

[latent tapir]

Just wondering, but I connected my New graphic card with two in one cable, is that ok and safe ?

Something like that, the beginning of the second head is from the end of the first one

It seems to be up and fine, but I still not sure, I was using only one head with my old graphic card

Thank you !

[viscid torrent]

It's better to use individual cables

So one cable for each connector

[viscid torrent]

That looks like a good deal to me :)

[sharp mural]

Would it be able to run inzoi smoothly ?

Also this is my current laptop https://skytechgaming.com/product/lumi-laptop-i5-3050-16gb/?ranMID=50067&ranEAID=%2FjZHTpnCvx8&ranSiteID=_jZHTpnCvx8-mbwlBJx8.ZetLWXOZ.7a1g

[viscid torrent]

It should be good yes

[viscid torrent]

Hi sorry, I'm playing a game with a friend so my responses are a bit slow
You could always look for like a used RTX 3060 12GB. That should run the game well and shouldn't be pretty affordable used ^^

[potent arch]

Thanks i am gonna try it on what I have now I have a good feeling that I'll be able to my pc is a beast so far lol

[latent tapir]

Is it safe for now to use only one cable?

[sick girder]

do 3060 is good for raYtracing?

[viscid torrent]

It's not really recommended

[viscid torrent]

Not really unfortunately :(

[viscid torrent]

It'll probably be fine, but it's much better to use two individual cables

[sick girder]

Not better than 6750XT?

[viscid torrent]

3060 is about equal at raytracing as the 6750XT, but it's slower outside of raytracing

[latent tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-17474838830648097856

Thank you!

[brazen wolf]

Will this be able to run INZOI?

[viscid torrent]

What gpu do you have?

[brazen wolf]

Is that the nvidea thing

If so 3070

[viscid torrent]

Nvidia RTX 3070?

Yeah, you'll be perfectly fine

[sick girder]

ew oki

[brazen wolf]

Thanks sm

[swift solstice]

Can someone pls tell me if a ryzen 5 4600 is enough to play inzoi? My GPU is a RTX 4060

[viscid torrent]

The cpu is a little lacking, but you'll be fine

[swift solstice]

Tysm

[dreamy aspen]

Will inZOI require AVX2?

My laptop has been manufactured around 2020 but comes with a 2012 generation processor (an Intel Celeron). I have upgraded it from 4GB RAM to 8GB RAM in the past.

I'm wondering whether inZOI will be able to run in my laptop? For instance, will it require AVX2 instructions to run (like Phantasy Star Online 2: NG)?

[grizzled path]

will 4070 i9 12900k 3.2GHz run good with inzoi its a pc 32 gb

[acoustic rose]

yes

[acoustic rose]

Possibly but even if it doesn't require AVX2 the game is way too demanding for your laptop unfortunately.

[subtle hamlet]

Okay so this ain't mine

The rest of the specs are good but will this GPU run it?

It's my friend's old as heck PC

[viscid torrent]

A 2014 Quadro is not going to be a fun gaming experience in 2025

If the other components are from around that time as well then the cpu and such will probably also not cut it anymore

[subtle hamlet]

She suffers daily but she says it can run bg3 on lowest settings so she is hoping

[viscid torrent]

The K2200 is about on par with a GTX 750 Ti

It's not going to be very enjoyable running UE5 games on that

[rare scarab]

damn

i didnt know that gpu exist at all lol

[kind jackal]

Hi @ all, does anyone know the Raytracing level planned for this Game? Will it support Pathtracing?
Considering a GPU Upgrade from RX6650XT.
Question is, would a 7900XT have enough RT performance to run it smoothly, would it make Sense to go for a 9070XT or should I forget AMD for InZOI and opt for Nvidia instead (4070S/4070Ti). Aiming for 1080p maxed out, incl. RT, constant min. 30fps (I think this Game is too slow paced for high FPS to make sense).

[rare scarab]

wait the game came out 1st, and u decide later what to do, cant recommend anything for you right now

[viscid torrent]

I don't think the game has path tracing, I could be wrong though. As for the performance with raytracing, difficult to say as long as the game isn't out yet unfortunately. So as mentioned above me, wait for the game to release :)

[long bane]

Hi, will I be able to play from a macbook?

[real rivet]

Are ryzen 5 5500 and rtx 3050 enough to play inzoi?

[midnight coyote]

There is no word on Mac support currently, early access will be on windows

[viscid torrent]

Gpu is a little lacking. It'll probably work, but don't have your expectations too high :P

[brittle sparrow]

hello! would a rtx 2060 and intel i5 9600k run the game?

[viscid torrent]

That's around the minimum requirements so you'll probably be ok. Don't put your expectations too high though

[brittle sparrow]

thank you!

[kind jackal]

@rare scarab @viscid torrent thank you for your replies, I guess we'll have to wait and see, maybe the 7900xt will be enough and the prices drop after the 9070(xt) release...

[grizzled path]

the demo worked for me

as same specs

[heady quail]

Would you mind sending a prebuilt with these kind of specs

[charred sapphire]

With a 4070 super and Ryzen 7 7800X3D will I be able to enjoy a good graphics experience? My monitor is 2K and 32 gb of ram

[rare scarab]

yes of course

[charred sapphire]

I think there shouldn't be a problem, but you know, you can think everything is going to be fine and then it's the opposite of what you imagined. 🙂

[rare scarab]

i found on reddit

[viscid torrent]

Where do you live? Or like, what stores could you order from?

[heady quail]

I live in the USA, New York to be specific and honestly anywhere I can get the best deal

My current specs

I ran gta 5 on here perfectly finee

Never modded the game but overall smooth gameplay

[rare scarab]

go microcentre and check deals over there

[viscid torrent]

What's your budget

[heady quail]

1100 at most

[rare scarab]

do you want amd or nvidia?

[viscid torrent]

Probably something like this then https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16883360568?item=N82E16883360568

[heady quail]

Which would be best for this game

[rare scarab]

depend on ur budget lol idk

[rare scarab]

There is two types on people

[acoustic pine]

We've learned today TD;LR that 9600x indeed is better than a 5800x3d! @unique obsidian thanks for figuring it out 🫡 apologies for my doubt and malinformation

[unique obsidian]

o7 np

[acoustic pine]

In reality over clocking a 9600x with the cost of it, is probably the best budget CPU for Inzoi lol

With AM5 at least, AM4 prob be 5700x3d or 5800x

[unique obsidian]

Yea but it used to be a micro center exclusive but it looks like its moving to amazon now

[acoustic pine]

Interesting 🤔 well hopefully we get some sort of game optimization era eventually, cause game devs aren't gonna always sell their soul lol

The power behind these CPUs is insane. Back in the day devs had to use optimization and creativity to make it seem like AI/complex operations were happening in real time with immersion now you got games that want to do the slowest method possible utilizing hardly any threads xD

[unique obsidian]

Unreal engine 5.5 will help alot for optimization

[acoustic pine]

Wonder how 🤔 I noticed with my rig I'm cpu bottlenecked by the tiniest interactions in some games

[unique obsidian]

Most of unreals updates just added new features but unreal 5.5 will focus on making those features less demanding

[acoustic pine]

Not just UE5, Cyberpunk 2077 barely loading in pedestrians and traffic with really dumb AI but still causes huge CPU bottlenecks. Yet GTA V can load in how many?

[acoustic pine]

That'll be great to see !

[unique obsidian]

Have you seen spider man 2 yet ?

[acoustic pine]

It's the path finding algorithm not sharing the nav mesh properly

Literally what it is lol

Such a simple optimization that I have had to do for my games

[unique obsidian]

Spider man 2 has a cap of 1000 npcs at a time and over 250 cars

[acoustic pine]

Threads and multithreading is used for a reason

[acoustic pine]

Holy crap

Counter Strike 2 prob has best CPU optimization

Idk about AI

But for all of their other calculations its very optimized

but 1000 npcs and 250 cars

Mind boggling

[unique obsidian]

This img is a bit better

[acoustic pine]

Oh lord

I use to play prototype 2 dawg

Game from like 2009? idk

Old ass game, but the NPC population is huge

War with zombies, civilians, and military

Can run on a fricken xbox 360

[acoustic pine]

Nowadays the reason why CPU also gets bottlenecked is a lot of realtime physics objects

[unique obsidian]

Yea this game is amazing and it came to pc like 25 days ago

[acoustic pine]

This technique of real time will always be so bad

Damn thats sick

[unique obsidian]

Ill swing over to time square real quick

[acoustic pine]

I love me a world that feels truly populated

[unique obsidian]

Yea and the crazy part is you swing through the streets at like 100 mph and they load the npcs and cars in so fast you cant even notice they werent there

[acoustic pine]

Direct storage is sick

Has to be direct storage, maybe not though

[unique obsidian]

Yea game has direct storage

[acoustic pine]

Utilizing proper multithreading, direct storage, culling, all sorts of techniques can do amazing things

[acoustic pine]

(: need more games like this

We got m.2s for a dang reason

Things eventually gonna be as fast as old ram lol

[unique obsidian]

Arent gen 5 drives already reaching like 15000mb/s

[acoustic pine]

Jesus christ, that is literally as fast as old ram lol

I think my RAM reads at like 50gb/s

LMAO

[sick girder]

Party rock

[acoustic pine]

yas

(:

[unique obsidian]

Yea looking at this is really nice

[acoustic pine]

Jesus christ it is

Thing is idk if games employ this but chunked path finding is super efficient, and some other tricks that other devs I've talked to have tried. Basically you break the simulation distance that the game is set into chunks for the path finding to have more finer nearest neighbor searches.

I was looking into this with a friend that worked on it like 8 months back, when I did some path finding stuff my memory not the best lol

Kinda similar idea to how octree or quadtrees work for collisions

Combine this with threading that utilizes worker threads properly, and good synchronization.etc start getting into territory of rendering ungodly amount of npcs doing various things

[unique obsidian]

Yea sad to see all dlcs were canceled for this game

[acoustic pine]

):

What I don't get is game dev companies, not hating on Inzoi's cause I can't know how simulated and cool the game is yet or the optimization techniques used, but my friends that I worked with that are brilliant with optimization due to limitations have found so many ways to simulate so much with so little.

Just hope developers moving forward don't get more "stupid" in that they forget what it means to innovate because of hardware innovators lol

Spiderman like this is a great example, so many fricken npcs. Albeit simple path finding most likely with not many phases or dynamic events with them. But none-the-less better than 99% of games nowadays xD

[unique obsidian]

Yea for q1 of 2025 these 5 are looking amazing

The last of us part 2 comes out April 3rd aswell

[acoustic pine]

Ayo April 3rd is my birthday haha

Also I am gonna head to bed! Frick though sonnet 3.7 basically better coder than me

[unique obsidian]

Nice! This year is looking good for gaming

[acoustic pine]

😔

I shall sleep 💤 nice talking about tech ❤️

[rare scarab]

im glad i bought 9800x3d from 5800x3d

[velvet lake]

Hi I have a question if this game will pull on this computer

i5-12450H 3.30-4.40 GHz
16 GB RAM
Graphic RTX4050

[viscid torrent]

Yeah, if you're stuck at 1080p then 9800x3d is just so insane

[viscid torrent]

What laptop model is it exactly?

Or mini pc

[velvet lake]

laptop lenovo legion slim 5

[unique obsidian]

Why would you play at 1080p with a 600$ cpu

[viscid torrent]

You'll be hovering around the minimum specs then so you'll probably be fine. Just don't have your expectations too high :)

[velvet lake]

okey thanks

[viscid torrent]

Because at 1080p the 9800x3d actually shows a notable performance difference compared to other cpu's

When you go to higher resolutions you're mostly going to be looking at the gpu to gain more performance

I suppose at 1440p it's also still interesting. But the performance gap does already become a lot smaller

[rare scarab]

because i play comp shooter alot

[viscid torrent]

At 1080p is where the 9800x3d really shines

[rare scarab]

when u switch to 4 k it didn’t improve much

[rare scarab]

it just get 5-10 fps more when u switch to 1440p lol

[viscid torrent]

Depends on what you switch from :P

Going from a 5800x3d, yeah, you wont notice much, it's insanely good still

Going from like a 3600 or something, night and day

But yeah, getting a 9800x3d if you game at 4k for example is completely pointless and you're basically spending like almost $400 extra for like 1 more fps in your averages and minimums

[rare scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-goku-dbz-dragon-ball-super-saiyan-gif-8246706

whos idiot playing 4 k for competitive shooter game

[viscid torrent]

I would if I had the money for 4k gaming

[real rivet]

Hi can someone tell me which one is better rtx 3060 or rtx 4060

[swift solstice]

The RTX 4060 is generally better than the RTX 3060, even though it’s from a newer generation. The 4060 offers better performance, especially in gaming and tasks that require a lot of power, while using less energy compared to the 3060. It also has a more advanced architecture that makes it more efficient, and it supports DLSS 3.0, which helps improve performance in games that use this feature. However, the RTX 3060 is still a great choice if you’re looking for something more affordable, as it performs really well too. In short, the 4060 is the better card overall, but the 3060 can still be a solid option depending on your budget.

[viscid torrent]

They're both pretty close in performance. The 3060 has 12GB of vram though so in some newer titles it might actually have better performance. That said, the 4060 does have access to framegen. They're both fine and which one is better all really depends on the price and what your budget is

[unique obsidian]

3000 series also supports dlss 4

[unique obsidian]

i get 3000 fps 🙂

[real rivet]

For inzoi which one will be better?

[viscid torrent]

As long as the game isn't out that will be difficult to say

They should both be good though

It all comes down to the price and your budget

[swift solstice]

Ops, my bad, I mixed things up

[fathom rock]

Would I be able to play using a handheld, like the steam deck or the rog ally?

[viscid torrent]

If you're fine with low graphics and frame rate whilst also playing around with upscaling and potentially even frame generation then maybe?

Then again, it could also be much less dire than that. It's just hard to say as long as the game isn't out

[scenic dune]

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/thinkpad-p1-gen-7-16-inch-intel/21kv001cus?nrtv_cid=vxd4dv4d94v8m is this laptop worth it, asking for college

[dusky ember]

This is literally an enthusiast/professional level laptop. wtf are u doing at school that would need this

also, seeing u want this for college, the fact that its so powerful kills the battery life

defeats the purpose of having a laptop in the first place

Plus at 3.2K you can get a much better desktop or save like 50% and get an essentially equivalent performing laptop

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-TUF-Gaming-Copilot-Laptop/dp/B0D71JRVZB

The only difference is 32GB less RAM and 1TB less storage, but both of those are upgradable

The CPU is also faster than the $3000 laptop

[primal karma]

Does the Ryzen 5 8645HS- RTX4050 model come close to the minimum or recommended requirements?

[viscid torrent]

What's the exact model name of the laptop? (Or mini pc)

[primal karma]

it's a victus of HP

[viscid torrent]

Victus 15 or Victus 16?

[primal karma]

15

[viscid torrent]

Hm, um, hm...

Do you know the model name by any chance?

Like, HP Victus 15-(something with letters and numbers)

Because it seems like there's a bunch of different Victus 15's out there with the same specs but different performance

[primal karma]

This is the fb2082 model

[viscid torrent]

I see, you'll basically be hovering at the minimum specs. So it's probably going to be ok but don't put your expectations too high just in case

You're basically like one step below minimum

So it'll probably run, but most likely not super well

[scenic dune]

thanks for sharing.

[final wing]

Can someone please tell me if a Ryzen 5 5600X 6-core, GPU Radeon RX 7600 XT and 32 gb ram is enough to play InZOI?

[rare scarab]

yes

[final wing]

that's great 😅 thanks!

[viscid torrent]

^^

You're perfectly fine yeah

[final wing]

I've always had bad computers, and now I'm a bit sensitive about this point

[ocean bane]

can someone give me hope that this laptop can handle inzoi?

[acoustic pine]

For high hz monitors ofc

I personally prefer refresh rate over fidelity by far

My eye can easily see 144 to 90 to 60 to 30

I bet I could see 240hz too

Idk about 240+ but at least at 1080p wiht a beast cpu you could render 200+ frames

[viscid torrent]

The gpu is pretty lacking. It will probably run the game, but most likely not very well. As long as the game isn't out it's a little difficult to say unfortunately

[acoustic pine]

The recommended gpu is 3070 minimum is 2060

You're in a good range, depends on your monitor res

[viscid torrent]

Except this is a laptop 3060 running at 80 watts

[ocean bane]

i'm hopeful cause i can play cyberpunk and horgarts legacy, and they both have open world and high graphics

[viscid torrent]

Which is below the minimum requirements

[acoustic pine]

Your CPU is fine too, 30% higher than minimum CPU specs, but I would be more concerned about CPU unless you want to max inzoi, not play it on very low with an upscaler

[viscid torrent]

Yeah, I hope the minimum requirements are pretty liberal and that you'll be able to run the game just fine. Based on early gameplay from content creators the game seems to be decently well optimized so there's a chance it'll work just fine

[acoustic pine]

We gotta remember they might of used recommended and minimum based on no upscaler or upscaler

Hopefully no frame gen

[ocean bane]

I saw someone with a 3060 gpu play inzoi and his game looked fine

[rare scarab]

there is frame gen

[acoustic pine]

I meant for the recommended specs

[rare scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-goku-dbz-dragon-ball-super-saiyan-gif-8246706

[acoustic pine]

Frame gen is complimentary

[viscid torrent]

Unfortunately 3060 =/= 3060

[acoustic pine]

I would legit fist fight a dev as a fellow dev to think requirements should ever be based on frame gen

[viscid torrent]

A laptop 3060 is a lot slower than a desktop 3060. And even among laptop 3060's there's a lot of performance differences

[rare scarab]

yes, let’s hope for the best

indiana jone need ray tracing gpu right?

[acoustic pine]

Yeah baked in raytracing, cant disable

Really dumb

[ocean bane]

i cannot buy a desktop right now ):

the pieces its too expensive here in brazil

[acoustic pine]

Its like baking in PhysX back when AMD had a large GPU market share, but Nvidia can get away with it with their monopoly as of right now. But thats also why their dumb stocks plummeted

[acoustic pine]

):

Threat Interactive, look him up on youtube if you want FACTS about game optimization techniques

[ocean bane]

i bought this laptop back in december 2022

[acoustic pine]

Ray tracing is actually subpar in terms of fidelity / performance trade off to many techniques in today's world

[ocean bane]

cannot change for at least more 3 years

[acoustic pine]

But Nvidia needs to pay their stock holders so its all a scam

[rare scarab]

missing rop too, shit man

[acoustic pine]

Look your PC will play Inzoi fine, at a good refresh rate. I think the GPU is fine, I could be wrong but you can always turn down a lot of GPU settings and use mods to optimize GPU very easily. CPU on the other hand is limited on optimization options or mods

[acoustic pine]

I mean I am just disappointed in people, I get back in 90s why people were able to be tricked a lot, there was no way to look up information without a lot effort to fact check people.

But in today's age we're bordering scientist level AI that can fact check better than even quick google searches can.

Yet people can't just do a 5-10 minute self research to confirm something? 🤷

Maybe in the future we'll be educated on AI prompting versus any real education lmao

[white jolt]

Oo I think ill get this one

[rare scarab]

they have alot of money, they literally don’t care lol

[white jolt]

Real

[acoustic pine]

Who does Nvidia and their share holders? Yeah.

[rare scarab]

also i see nvidia hate on reddit but when the gpu release, almost one 5090 per day post on that app

[acoustic pine]

Share/stock same thing lol

[white jolt]

5090 announced already?

Didnt know

[acoustic pine]

Its because they are sheep, don't know how to have self control or patience

[rare scarab]

“guys, fake frame and fraud” also the same guy bought astral rog for 3500£

[rare scarab]

yes, jan 14 i think

[white jolt]

Jeez

[acoustic pine]

my next GPU may not be AMD or Nvidia, might be Intel 🤷 tbh Intel has had the least shady tactics yet their market share is plummeting

Reason being? Cause they aren't as shady

When you pay off game companies to have in house driver optimizations for their games, specific features (PhysX,RT.etc) and to literally sponsor your logo for years... uhh yeah something ain't right

That creepy ah "Nvidia" in that low evil whisper, I am sure we all remember if you're older than 23

[rare scarab]

rip 32bit game

[acoustic pine]

💀

[acoustic pine]

I believe also RAM minimum is 12GB but I assume you have that or more, just as an added bit of advice. Just to summarize what we learned, your GPU is fine, CPU is a bit above minimum CPU but ram minimum is 12GB.

[ocean bane]

i have 16gb ram

[acoustic pine]

Excellent then. Good to go lol

[ocean bane]

how much you think inzoi will occupie in storage?

[acoustic pine]

60-75gb it says

[ocean bane]

cyberpunk here took 90gb white hogwarts 70gb

while*

[acoustic pine]

Game prefers 8gb minimum of video RAM as an fyi, so textures n other things prob need to be set to low? You have 6gb but like I said. There is many ways to optimize for GPU, if you have 1080p you're gonna be in the clear

[white jolt]

Is this good laptop? https://a.co/d/04eah5N

[acoustic pine]

Another trick to this is using lossless frame gen or another frame gen to make up VRAM

[unique obsidian]

you can do the same with 1440p ...

[acoustic pine]

I would love to see how many CPU/GPU combos can achieve 240+ at 1440p. Competitive games sure, but most games probably not

This is a preference

[unique obsidian]

wdym how many we were talking about the 9800x3d

[acoustic pine]

Gonna end up a GPU bottleneck in a lot of games

To reach 240+ fps at least

And we're talking a top of the line CPU, so you can't use any other CPU?

Its kinda mediocre copium in my opinion

[unique obsidian]

its a 600$ cpu it would be paired with a 1000$+ gpu

[unique obsidian]

your the one who replied to my question ???

[acoustic pine]

Yeah I didn't think you'd just go straight to you need the best computer to run 240+ fps on most games when there is 500hz coming out or even higher with new monitor technologies. But you're not wrong that right now games can be ran with such a combination. My point is that game optimization is the biggest issue, we shouldn't need to run 1080p with lowest settings with a top 10 CPU to achieve 240+ fps on a few games. Not even most of them.

[short fulcrum]

It is "good" but comes with the typical nvidia move: a very good chip and not enough vram.

It's enough to just barely run the game...

[rare scarab]

i don’t understand what is happening here

[acoustic pine]

I have seen countless developers on YouTube and Threat Interactive demonstrate that you can make a game easily run 200-400+ and look good xD

[rare scarab]

i only play cs2

[acoustic pine]

Sure you dont get realtime ray tracing or 16k textures, you get tedious optimization techniques for GPU frame draws

[white jolt]

So need to upgrade more Vram?

[acoustic pine]

And for the CPU optimization side, games are even more horrendous. Stalker 2 for example or Cyberpunk 2077

[unique obsidian]

without ray tracing then yea 9800x3d could 100% run over 240 fps in 1440p and some 4k

[acoustic pine]

Yeah really crappy nav mesh and path finding code is what limits CPUs also, as well as realtime dynamic physics objects that are done simply because it saves devs time on developing more optimized techniques.

[rare scarab]

its a neat trick to force people to buy high end gpu, like 4090 with alot of vram

[white jolt]

💀 wow

[rare scarab]

4070super with 12 gb vram, what the hell man

[acoustic pine]

Another issue is cooling CPU manufacturing don't consider full all thread loads that don't cause thermal throttling. A dev could utilize the f out of all threads and with optimized algorithms the game becomes 2x/3x or more FPS

For example go do prime95 or another CPU cruncher and watch ur thermal throttling commense unless you have super expensive AIO water cooler

[short fulcrum]

Bro stfu

[acoustic pine]

Sorry if its too complex for you bro 💀

[short fulcrum]

U talking alone

[rare scarab]

chill

just swapping knowledge over here

[white jolt]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 with 16gb ram

[rare scarab]

check 5090 vram

https://tenor.com/view/sofia-evil-sofia-smile-sofia-evil-sofia-sofia-smile-evil-gif-17136867

[white jolt]

32gb….

Bro that’s almost $6000

?????

[short fulcrum]

On paper yes

[white jolt]

💀 nahhhhh too much

[acoustic pine]

Yeah right? I am a bit of a nerd 🤓

[unique obsidian]

5090 wasnt made for gaming either way

[unique obsidian]

2300 in usa

[white jolt]

It’s $6000 on Amazon

Msi brand

[rare scarab]

thats scalper price

[white jolt]

Oh

[scenic dune]

anyone seen the valve deckard leaks? they said its coming out at the end of 2025

[acoustic pine]

Just get a 4090 if you want a good gpu

Or 7900xtx tbh its great in my opinion. I use it, if u like ray tracing then stay away from it prob

[scenic dune]

https://xcancel.com/gabefollower/status/1894636466480771136#m

[acoustic pine]

AYO EXCITING

My valve index has survived now since like 2021

The cord, not so much had to replace recently 💀

[rare scarab]

i just want steamos that’s all

[acoustic pine]

Steamos? O:

Oh YEAH. People are stuck with meta, yucky

[short fulcrum]

Would that mean another valve VR game in the works

[rare scarab]

i hate blob on this window 11

[scenic dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lGdUBMdQ94&ab_channel=TylerMcVicker we also got hl3 leaks aswell

[acoustic pine]

Too much bloat indeed. It make me much sad

[rare scarab]

Half life 3? gaben cant count pass that shit

[acoustic pine]

Oh lawrd, I haven't played half life since I was like 10

And I'm a 1998 baby lol

[short fulcrum]

I doubt hl3 would ever happen

They gonna call it absolutely anything other than that

[rare scarab]

half life 2 pro max

[short fulcrum]

Half life 2 episode iii

[acoustic pine]

Sheesh 👀

[short fulcrum]

0,75 life

[acoustic pine]

Left 4 dead 3 is what Im truly wanting

Back4blood was such a disappointment, it made me give up on zombie games for a long time

[rare scarab]

back4bloood was bad

[acoustic pine]

I beta tested that game too

[rare scarab]

lucky i try on gamepass

[acoustic pine]

Yeah it is forever trash

When I beta tested I gave each game/map solid advice. They'd ask for what was wrong and why, I told them exactly lol. Thing is what I found to be the issue was the special infected and map layout/objectives.

Although physics and AI itself was later shown to be absolute garbage too

Left 4 Dead was so good specifically because of its iconic characters, special infected and maps.

They didn't focus on any of those aspects, they focused on their dumb card rpg system

[rare scarab]

nothing beat left 4 dead 2, just look at playercount lol

there is charm in that game

[twilit helm]

is this enough to play inzoi

(coeurs = hearts)

I have a rtx 4060 ti)

[twilit helm]

laptop are bad, if you have a gaming laptop and you have a problem, you can't change the pieces
and you can't modify ur laptop by adding pieces like a better rtx or others things

[white jolt]

Everyone knows having a laptop is bad but I’m always traveling and need a gaming laptop to play lol

You can only upgrade storage and other thing for laptop which is fine for me

Just get 4090 laptop if you want good laptop LOL

[twilit helm]

Someone answer please

[midnight coyote]

please be patient, a lot of the tech experts are on a different time zone, you will be answered as soon as they are available

[scenic dune]

Should be able to run medium/high

[swift solstice]

It can have a good performance if you have a good GPU

[swift solstice]

My bad, I didn’t see this message

Yes, is enough, I think is more than they recommend, so you’re good

[viscid torrent]

You're practically about on par with the recommended requirements

Cpu is a little bit slower, but it shouldn't matter is my guess

[acoustic pine]

Yes your computer is fast enough, what is the RAM? CPU is better than minimum CPU and about 15-20% less than recommended. (Good) the GPU 4060 ti is better than recommended GPU as well.

Recommended RAM is 12gb

For minimum/.etc

[viscid torrent]

4060 Ti isn't better than recommended

[acoustic pine]

Oh my apologies 3070 is what mine said, I believe 3080 is recommended

[twilit helm]

i can show all of my pieces

[acoustic pine]

So that means your gpu is 30% slower than recommended, so this means your system can run low-medium settings with high fps most likely

[viscid torrent]

3070 is recommended

But the 4060 Ti is equal to the 3070 at 1080p and a tiny bit slower at higher resolutions

[acoustic pine]

Ahh I see.

[acoustic pine]

Your system can run the game fine. I assume you have 16+ gb of RAM. As Waffle pointed out, your GPU is basically equal to recommended GPU. Your VRAM (8gb recommended) is fine, your CPU is better than minimum.

Other than that its hard to say exactly what fps you'd get at what resolution with how many NPCs.etc

You meet the requirements in summary lol

[twilit helm]

I see

what should I buy to upgrade my pc?

for the future

I know theres better rtx now since early 2025

[acoustic pine]

Hard to say unless we were to know what your objective is.

[viscid torrent]

I think the problem is that if you upgrade your gpu then the cpu is going to drag it down. But if you upgrade the cpu then you won't really notice too much of a difference

[twilit helm]

well to get a good enough gaming pc to play games like inzoi and others

[acoustic pine]

High FPS and high resolution with max settings.etc

[acoustic pine]

Well to be fair most people don't have high end systems.

[viscid torrent]

Your pc honestly doesn't need upgrading unless you're planning on gaming on a higher resolution than 1080p

[acoustic pine]

If you look at most common CPUs and GPUs most people will play the game around the same amount you'll be getting in fps/res

[acoustic pine]

Facts

[viscid torrent]

For 1080p you're honestly pretty set for a while

[twilit helm]

Maybe in 2030 I will start upgrading my pc

[viscid torrent]

In a couple of years you can maybe replace the cpu with a used 7800X3D or something

[twilit helm]

ll buy the newest ones

probably

[viscid torrent]

But for now and the foreseeable future, you're perfectly fine :P

[twilit helm]

and a rtx 5080

[acoustic pine]

I think it depends on what you want, if you really wanna push the limits of frames and graphics top of the line is where you need to go, but for price for performance you're doing good

a 4060 ti is a good price/perf, the cpu.etc even the PSU 750w is solid choice for the build

[viscid torrent]

I suppose a 5080 is interesting if you're planning on gaming on a higher resolution

[twilit helm]

still good, i need the ps6 if it's out in 2028 and ll upgrade my pc 2 years later

[acoustic pine]

I disagree strongly lol

VRAM on that thing is so limited

[viscid torrent]

If you're on 1080p though a 5080 is just kinda silly

[acoustic pine]

4k gaming def not, but maybe 1440p

[viscid torrent]

16gb is perfectly fine for 1440p and even for 4k it works well

You can check the reviews for it, and even for the 4080 super etc.

[acoustic pine]

I mean I like to use mods maybe thats why my vram gets eaten up to bits

But I can easily hit 20gb with mods for games I enjoy

[rare scarab]

cs2 with 1440p oled monitor 😎

[viscid torrent]

The vram increase going from 1080p to 4k isn't that crazy and 16gb, although a bit iffy does work well

[acoustic pine]

And I'm 1080p mind you

with a 24gb card, cause I want frames and high res textures

[viscid torrent]

That said, 16gb is basically perfect for 1440p

[rare scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/sofia-evil-sofia-smile-sofia-evil-sofia-sofia-smile-evil-gif-17136867

[acoustic pine]

Ofc pixel density being low makes me not appreciate the high res textures as much from a distance, but up close they can look a lot better

[rare scarab]

crusader king 3 ate 24gb ram for me, much more than cities skyline wtf

[acoustic pine]

Rather render a texture that has real 4k detail upclose, with 200fps than 1k texture at a distance with 60fps at a distance

Preferences ig

[acoustic pine]

Damn!

[rare scarab]

yeah man, shitty paradox game

[acoustic pine]

I may eventually get a 1440p

[rare scarab]

i play alot paradox games

[acoustic pine]

But 1440p is most u want rn for high fps gaming

If you don't mind 60-90fps though 4k is gonna be goat

I'd prefer 200 fps avg, with really good 1% lows

[rare scarab]

i rarely play 4 k expect doing that monster hunter wild benchmark

it’s pretty bad bro idk

[acoustic pine]

Wish more monitors had multiple modes, like 4k, 1080p,1440p ik integer scaling exists.. but its not the same

[acoustic pine]

LOL

I hear its super unoptimized garbage

Dude for example Indiana Jones, never heard a person actually playing it, just 2 minute videos of people using it as a benchmark on youtube

[viscid torrent]

For me the fps really depends on the game. A slower game or something singleplayer I'm perfectly fine playing at sub 100. But something like an fps game I would like to have over 100 :P

[acoustic pine]

What the heck are games now? Showcases for what life looks like, just go outside

[rare scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-hacker-hack-ha-bogus-gif-24545968

[acoustic pine]

I am just weird, I like high fps always. Reason why my 7900XTX and 5800x3d just exist on my 1080p system lmao

[rare scarab]

I wish AMD have better ray tracing technology

[acoustic pine]

Wish I had am5 9800x3d with some beastly fast ram 😭

[rare scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/tense1983-rage-csgo-best-troll-eu-gif-14590429

[acoustic pine]

Don't even get me into that lol, ray tracing is a scam on multiple levels. Yeah its an easy way for devs to add realistic lighting to a game, but there has always been methods to emulate dynamic realtime lighting that cost way way less to render

Its another marketing gimmick that nvidia uses to keep people needing the next generations, lets create problems then create solutions for them level monopoly bs

[viscid torrent]

I'd keep my current gpu for a lot longer if possible as honestly the performance is still amazing. I'm just constantly running into vram issues with newer games and it sucks. The card can so easily handle the high graphic settings, but it's just constant frame drops because the vram is completely full 😔

[acoustic pine]

😭

[rare scarab]

Path tracing & Oled changes my mind bro, its like i been sucked into blackhole!

[acoustic pine]

I am sorry thats happening, I use to have 6gb vram before my upgrade to this so I understand the struggles. Hope you can find a better one

[viscid torrent]

8GB at 1440p just aint it

At least it served me extremely well for years

Just don't know what the heck to upgrade to

[rare scarab]

get 4070tisuper bro

[viscid torrent]

I don't want to spend €1000 on a 70 card

[acoustic pine]

Path tracing I will admit to the eye actually looks like real life's lighting, but isn't feasible. Why on earth would we chase hardware requirements like this when we could find other solutions.

It's brute force rendering. If we keep going down this route, we'll always have hardware that becomes completely irrelevant so greedy hardware companies empty wallets.etc

[acoustic pine]

Lmao way better to get 7900xtx then if that card is 1k

[viscid torrent]

I bought my 3070 on release day for €600

[acoustic pine]

I thought 4080 was 1200

4080 would be a better bet

[viscid torrent]

I was thinking maybe going for a 5070 Ti, but the fact that it's €1500 is just insane. That's nearly 3x what I paid for my 3070 on release

[acoustic pine]

that is just a horrible idea, maybe you do need to try an amd card. Is ray tracing really making you want to work that overtime at a job?

1500 is way to pricey for a 5070 ti

[viscid torrent]

I'm waiting to see what the 9070 XT will do

[acoustic pine]

Is that the msrp?

[viscid torrent]

I know, that's why I'm not buying it

As I'm clearly stating

[rare scarab]

some said its 699, some said its 899

bestbuy is 899

reddit said 699

[acoustic pine]

Yeah I am trying to add onto it, you and nobody else should have to break their back trying to buy a fucking scummy card marketed to have no longevity

[viscid torrent]

Msrp over here is €884

But all the stores in all of Europe are turbo scalping the card lol

So I'm just waiting

My 3070 is still fine. I just have to turn the graphics to low in new games to not run into vram issues

[acoustic pine]

Path tracing kinda shows you what scummy people like Nvidia are chasing. Yeah buy our ray tracing cores and products, but guess what in 2-3 years we'll engineer a new lighting system that uses entirely diff cores.etc

It never ends, but rasterization is a one size fit all thing.

[rare scarab]

what’s the 5070ti price again?

999?

[viscid torrent]

I was considering the 5070 as well, but 12GB just sounds like I'm going to run into the same problem as I have now in a bunch of years

[viscid torrent]

750 USD

[acoustic pine]

Not even abunch with how game devs are lol

[rare scarab]

buy 5090 bro

https://tenor.com/view/anime-goku-dbz-dragon-ball-super-saiyan-gif-8246706

[acoustic pine]

4090/5090 is not bang for buck by any means, but indeed strong enough to future proof without features locked to card generations

[rare scarab]

or wait variant like super idk

[acoustic pine]

Reason why I got 7900XTX. Future proofed

[viscid torrent]

I'm a student, my budget is somewhat limited to a degree

[acoustic pine]

I am sorry to hear that ):

My budget has been rough too because of my disability

I am lucky I got this card at the time I did

[viscid torrent]

But yeah, I'm just going to wait for a while for all the scalping stuff and availability stuff to die down

[acoustic pine]

Saving up for it was scary business lol

[acoustic pine]

Good idea

[rare scarab]

price like this remind me when pandemic area

shit man

i sold my 1660ti for 1200$ 🤣

[viscid torrent]

And then maybe during summer or something if I graduate I'll get myself a 9070 XT or 5070 Ti as graduation gift

[rare scarab]

at facebook marketplace

[acoustic pine]

DAMN

You got a good deal

[rare scarab]

i feel bad for that guy

https://tenor.com/view/sofia-evil-sofia-smile-sofia-evil-sofia-sofia-smile-evil-gif-17136867

[acoustic pine]

Mischievous

Aint gonna lie I sold a lot of pc parts for a while way below retail

I prefered to give people things for lower prices than to make as much as I could 😇

[viscid torrent]

I'm still glad I managed to grab my 3070 on release day for msrp in the middle of the pandemic

[acoustic pine]

Lucky dog

[rare scarab]

my friend bought 3080 for 1800$ bro idk

[acoustic pine]

I got my 7900xtx red devil for 1.1k

[rare scarab]

he feels like shit rn

[acoustic pine]

24gb of vram, rasterization better than 4080 super

Can't really beat that price point

[viscid torrent]

FSR 4 soon as well

[acoustic pine]

FSR 4 is for 8000 series sadly

[viscid torrent]

No

[acoustic pine]

RDNA4

9000 series

[viscid torrent]

It's coming to 7000 as well

[acoustic pine]

I mean

REALLY?

[viscid torrent]

AMD did a 180

[acoustic pine]

FUCK YES

7900xtx really is future proof

[rare scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/amd-intel-conor-mg-gregor-gif-14599805

[viscid torrent]

Yeah, it's coming to the 7000 series, because they know they'd otherwise be really screwed with DLSS 4 coming to every single RTX card

[acoustic pine]

Oh true

Wait does that mean they were intentionally locking it to 9000 series

[rare scarab]

ye

it was on article last year

[viscid torrent]

And with FRS 3.1 already being behind DLSS 3.5 rn, older cards getting DLSS 4 would be a really big oof for AMD

[acoustic pine]

weird. amd has given everyone fsr 3.etc and yet was selfish with the fsr 4

FSR 4 looks great too, tech demos shows it on par with DLSS 4

[viscid torrent]

FSR 4 is basically identical to DLSS 3.5

Which is great

Because DLSS 3.5 looks super good

[acoustic pine]

Really? I saw close up screenshots of FSR 4 and DLSS 4 and cant see a difference

But you're prob right

At this level upscalers really aren't visually diff ig

[viscid torrent]

AMD showed off a comparison between FSR 4 and DLSS 3.5 in Ratchet and Clank and they looked basically identical

[rare scarab]

dlss4 performance look good rn ngl

[acoustic pine]

you have to zoom in 10x to even see the difference

[acoustic pine]

Ah I see

[rare scarab]

long ago it’s like crap and shit

[viscid torrent]

DLSS 4 is going to be another step on top of that. But that said, FSR 4 will still be super good

[acoustic pine]

I think its exciting, I wonder if they will be brave n do open source for FSR 4 like they did with 3

Open source is the way

[viscid torrent]

Yes it's worse, is it bad? Absolutely not, it's great

[acoustic pine]

No more locking down features to specific game companies, its cringe and gonna be a dying practice soon

[rare scarab]

im just mad battlefield 2042 didn’t get dlss4

[acoustic pine]

Yeah the thing is we wont even know the difference lol

[viscid torrent]

It would be cool, but since FSR 4 uses like real time AI stuff or whatever it has some actual hardware requirements to work. Or whatever it is that AMD said

[acoustic pine]

Using my 7900xtx's ai cores eh, or whatever they call them

Its kinda funny that 7000, 4000 series dont even utilize all their potential

[viscid torrent]

They'll probably keep improving on FSR 3 is my guess though. Or maybe have a new open source version, who knows

[acoustic pine]

True

[viscid torrent]

Because just ditching it and only focusing on FSR 4 for the small amount of cards that can use it would be :(

[acoustic pine]

right

it wouldnt make sense, the 6000 and especially 7000 was selflessly designed by AMD to have long life span

Not force us to upgrade every 3 years

AMD aint perfect tho, they did contract with sony afterall

[viscid torrent]

Well a lot of AMD's choices don't make a lot of sense :^)

[rare scarab]

i love AMD only for cpu, my last AMD card was 6800xt

[viscid torrent]

I do genuinely hope the 9070 XT is good though

Competition is nice. Benefits the consumer

My first gpu was AMD

[rare scarab]

my first gpu was 750ti, 🤣 damn man

i just play simple game that time

mostly counter strike

[viscid torrent]

I have a bunch of friends who are currently using AMD cards. One with a 7900 XT, one with a 7600, and one with a 6650 XT

[viscid torrent]

Mine was an R9 380

[acoustic pine]

Oldest gpu I can remember I had was gtx 460 I think

then I got 660, then 1060, then jumped to amd 7900xtx

[slow oxide]

this edit got me laughing lmao

[vestal viper]

Hi.
I have another question.

How well would a PC with 32 GB RAM, Windows 11 64bit OS, an AMD® Ryzen5 7600X - 5,3Ghz Turbo CPU, and either an Asus RTX4070 SUPER or Ti SUPER 12GB DDR6X GPU handle the 24 hour day in inZOI?

Thank you in advance.

[slow oxide]

graphics wise probably okay, CPU wise it will struggle a bit with crowd density unless the thing's OC'd

[vestal viper]

And if I turn on PBO?

[viscid torrent]

24 hour day just changes the duration of a day, it shouldn't influence the performance at all

[unique obsidian]

Stellar Blade™ is climbing the wishlist ranks faster then most other games

[short fulcrum]

Unless they're planning to to go through all the 24 hours consecutively 🤣

[white jolt]

Scalper alert

[glossy monolith]

wait what stellar blade is coming to pc ? ty just added it to my wishlist

[unique obsidian]

Little Nightmares III, Mafia: The Old Country, Kingmakers, WUCHANG: Fallen Feathers, Tides of Annihilation, Stellar Blade™, inZOI, Lost Soul Aside™, Dying Light: The Beast, The Last of Us™ Part II Remastered