Technical Computer Building/Learning

[dusky ember]

.-.

[viscid torrent]

The prebuilt also has wifi

It's great deal

[dusky ember]

So it has a better motherboard

[viscid torrent]

I mean, it has this weird proprietary motherboard :^)

So I guess it's both better and worse

[dusky ember]

im gaming

it was on sale for 46%

[viscid torrent]

Oh damn

I'll stick with my current monitor until I'm super rich :P

I'm probably going to buy Ryzen 7 5700X3D tomorrow though

[dusky ember]

I'm gonna have a 49 inch 4k samsung odyssey flanked by 2 27inch 2k monitors with a 34inch 4k samsung odyssey stacked on top ._.

[viscid torrent]

Actual battlestation

[dusky ember]

wait maybe i should buy another 49 inch one

wait its only 2k

not 4k

[viscid torrent]

It's like on sale for 160 now

[viscid torrent]

Damn, now it sucks :^)

[dusky ember]

Well my main monitor cant be a lower res than the secondary one

that just makes no sense

i think ill return the 49 inch and get another 34 inch

so then it will also be the same length

[fossil cave]

I want money too

[viscid torrent]

I'll give you one cent

[dusky ember]

crazy how all this together on my standing desk is only about 30 kg

[viscid torrent]

I mean, that's still quite a bit

That's like uh...

A very small person

[dusky ember]

my desktop weighs 16kg.

my standing desk only supports about 68 kg

[viscid torrent]

Damn, fat pc

I have no clue what mine weighs, I know the case is like 7kg or something?

[fossil cave]

Idk either I just know I won't carry it

[viscid torrent]

Speaking of cases, I think I will also order a new case, psu, and cooler now with the sales in preparation for RTX 5000 / RX 8000

[ornate burrow]

anyone remember what the benchmark site is for checking if you can run inzoi? Just got a new gpu and wanna see where that puts me 🙂

[viscid torrent]

You won't know how it will perform until the game actually releases

What gpu did you get

[ornate burrow]

a RTX 4070

[viscid torrent]

Unless you're planning on playing at like 4k you'll be super fine

4070 is pretty neat

[ornate burrow]

Yayy

[reef mortar]

Yeah I cry

Dutchie here too😭

[midnight coyote]

isnt the euro (or what other countries use) hella expensive

i know things were expensive compared to USD when i was in europe

[fossil cave]

Yea Inflation

Everything gets more expensive, except the paycheck

[viscid torrent]

The thing with tech in europe is that there's import tax on everything + vat

So the prices compared to US tech prices is pretty steep

Like, isn't VAT in the US like 6% or something?

On average that is, since every state has their own tax

Sometimes stuff is cheaper though, but that's kinda rare most of the time :P

[midnight coyote]

no clue tbh

[viscid torrent]

What's the vat in your state?

[midnight coyote]

9.375%

[viscid torrent]

I see I see

Over here it's 21%

[midnight coyote]

tho other states tend to be higher or lower than us

[viscid torrent]

I think Norway has the highest in Europe? I believe it's 25%?

[dusky ember]

Well, the thing is it all ends up being the same. The amount people in America pays for basic services that more socialist governments provide like healthcare.

[viscid torrent]

You can't game on that

[dusky ember]

you cant game while spending $5000 on a ambulance ride either

[viscid torrent]

Gamer ambulance

[grizzled path]

Anyone know the best GPU for around 500-700 EUR?

[viscid torrent]

RX 7900 GRE or RX 7900 XT are the fastest you can get within that pricerange

If RTX and/or Cuda are very important to you then the RTX 4070 Super

[dusky ember]

You should wait until jan

the game won't be out until march and new GPUs will becoming out in Jan

I think the next gen Nvidia 5000 series cards are going to sweep AMD much harder than previous gens considering DLSS 4. FSR 4 is also coming out but this will be AMD's "first generation" of AI upscaling so I don't trust it to be fully functioning yet.

Also, 4000 series Nvidia cards are starting to sell out, which means possible lower than expected MSRPs on 5000 series

[viscid torrent]

AMD is quitting high end and going full focus on mid range so I'm quite curious to see how that pans out

Based on all the rumors going around it seems that their flagship will be the RX 8800 XT, they're not going higher than that

Because what's the point investing so much money in all the R&D and stuff for the super high end cards that such a small amount of people buy to begin with when Nvidia will just out budget you 10 times anyways

Investing in the high end stuff is just a losing game for AMD

So maybe with them going all out for their midrange stuff it might be that they deliver some real banger cards

[dusky ember]

It would make no sense for them to make an 8800XT that can rival something equivalent to a xx70Ti or xx80 class card.

AMD is giving up on the high end because they can't sell high end cards. Literally ask any tech YouTuber and they will recommend an Nvidia card over any AMD card at the high end for gaming purely because of DLSS and Frame gen being vastly superior to anything AMD has.

The 8800XT will probably have the same performance as a xx70 class card but at $500. Which was exactly how it was last gen, but the 4070 being $50 more than the 7800XT.

[viscid torrent]

They're not aiming to rival 5080

It seems like they're going to stick to trying to compete with 60 and 70 series

[dusky ember]

Yeah, but they aren't going to sell against the 70 class cards if its just the same card with 4GB more VRAM lol

It will be just the same thing as previous gens

[viscid torrent]

Over here the price difference is a lot more significant

But yeah, unless Nvidia has insane incredible woweee this is life changing! performance or a super good price, I'm probably going to switch to AMD

Because if I can get like the same or better raw performance with more vram but a little bit uglier upscaling and probably still bad ray tracing for like almost $100 less then I'll gladly take that

[dusky ember]

5000 series is DLSS 4 not 3.5

RX 8000 is FSR 4

which is the first gen of AI upscaling

Its going to be a bigger difference than you might expect

[viscid torrent]

We will have to wait and see

I'm pretty excited to see how both sides are going to perform

I hope AMD really manages to step up their game

Because Nvidia getting away with ridiculous pricing is starting to get tiring :(

[dusky ember]

I don't think AMD is going to make a dent in the market regardless of what they do unless they release a 7800XT at below $400 to kill the 4060.

Like it or not, AMD is a hobbyist brand

Nvidia is more out there in name power

They will have to make a loss leader or something to change that

[viscid torrent]

AMD is decently popular here I'd say

[dusky ember]

Of all the people who have an AMD GPU in their system, would you say they are well versed in the PC space?

If yes, then my point was proven

[viscid torrent]

7800 XT is doing great numbers here

[dusky ember]

AMD doesn't make money with consumer GPUs anyways.

They make their money on server CPUs

It feels like they are just making GPUs out of principle now

[viscid torrent]

No, not all, it's just that like the biggest tech outlet forum like place. Everyone who goes there asking for advice on a midrange pc build gets the 7800 XT recommended to them :P

Because it's just crazy good value over here for like the entire year, if not past few years

[dusky ember]

I just checked the price and the 7800XT is $420 equivalent in the UK, so again, my point still stands

They will need to release the 8800XT at close to $400.

Otherwise they won't sell

$450 is like the max they can put it before making it a xx70 competitor

At $420, the 7800XT isn't competing with the 4070 anymore lol considering that it is $510 equivalent

[viscid torrent]

Damn, cheap in the UK huh

Over here it's $500 lel

Which is a really good price

4070 is $575

[dusky ember]

In italy is $440 compared to $625

So looking at the prices, they aren't in the same price bracket anymore

That's why its selling

At this price you wouldn't compare the 7800XT with a 4070

You would compare it with a 4060 TI 16GB

[viscid torrent]

They never were in the same pricerange over here, the 7800XT has always been quite a bit cheaper since launch

[dusky ember]

Then that explains it...?

[viscid torrent]

Explains what

[dusky ember]

Performance wise the 7800XT is slightly worse than the 4070, with more VRAM, but price wise its competitive with the 4060 Ti 16GB.

And that's literally what I've been saying

They will need to release the 8800XT against the xx60 Ti with xx70 performance.

[viscid torrent]

Huh? 7800 XT is faster than the 4070 though

[dusky ember]

mb

misstyped you're right

I was thinking 4070 super

for whatever reason

[viscid torrent]

It's right in between the 4070 and 4070 Super performance wise

Over here the most popular gpu's are the 7800 XT, 7900 GRE, and 4070 Super I believe

And if someone games at 4k they get a 4080 Super :P

[dusky ember]

no? The 4070 is capable for 4K60

[viscid torrent]

Yes

[dusky ember]

The 4070 Ti Super is like the lowest end card for really good 4K gaming

[viscid torrent]

Read again what I wrote, I think you misunderstood :P

[dusky ember]

Read what you wrote. You make it sound like if people want to game at 4k they buy a 4080 Super instead of anything lower

Wdym I misunderstood

[viscid torrent]

Correct

[dusky ember]

Yeah, but that's not true

[viscid torrent]

That's what people tend to buy here when they want to do 4k gaming

How is that not true?

[dusky ember]

The 4070 Ti Super is the cheapest card for 4K gaming

[viscid torrent]

That's literally what most people are buying here when they want to do 4k gaming

[viscid torrent]

Ok and?

I'm just saying what is popular here :(

Like what people are buying the most

[dusky ember]

Ok sure... but I don't see your point then?

I don't see how that is relevant

[viscid torrent]

huh?

I'm just sharing :(

[dusky ember]

Well, I'm saying that AMD isn't going to break the market if they don't release the 8800XT at $400, max $450. That's my point though?

[viscid torrent]

And I'm not talking about any of that lel

But yeah, unless they pull a Ryzen, they're never going to get a large marketshare

And it makes sense, trying to compete with the biggest company that exists currently is just... yeah, have fun

[dusky ember]

Yeah, do you think they will sell more 8800XTs if it was $50 cheaper than a 5070? Consider that it will be about 5-10% faster in rasterized performance but worse at upscaling, frame gen, and ray tracing. Which, all three of those are becoming the norm.

I don't think it will sell

At best it will be as good of a sale as this gen

[viscid torrent]

No clue

But if that would be the case then I will happily buy it :P

[dusky ember]

Well, I mentioned all that because that was how the 7800XT vs 4070 was at release

7800XT released at $500 msrp, the 4070 was $600 but went to $550 after the 7800XT came out

[viscid torrent]

I just wish Nvidia would put more vram in their midrange cards

wdym the 5070 will get 12GB

[dusky ember]

I just said that based off the 4070. I know there was news about them increasing VRAM

[viscid torrent]

Based on all the current leaks the 5070 will get 12GB and 5070 Ti will get 16GB

[dusky ember]

16GB 8800XT vs 12 GB 5070

I wouldn't buy the 8800XT unless it was at least $80 cheaper than the 5070.

[viscid torrent]

I am actively running into issues with 8GB vram and I have to turn down my graphics settings even though I can easily get good fps at higher settings, it sucks :(

[dusky ember]

If you're gaming at 1080p then you shouldn't have those issues. if you're running 1440p then turn on upscaling it will decrease VRAM usage.

[viscid torrent]

I'm playing 1440p and that's with upscaling set to performance lol

[dusky ember]

Tbf this depends on the game

Some games upscaling might increase VRAM usage

[viscid torrent]

I kept changing settings, first turning on upscaling in general, turning off rtx, increasing the upscaling, lowering overall settings. In the end with upscaling set to balanced and graphics on medium it was fine

But I've been having this in several newer games that the vram is just oof

Some older ones as well

Like Forza and Resident Evil

[dusky ember]

what card do you have

[viscid torrent]

They just take all my vram and wont give it back

3070

Hey, at least it was a huge vram upgrade coming from the 1070

Oh wait

At least the 1070 was a big vram upgrade compared to the 3.5GB of the 970 :P

[dusky ember]

I had a GTX 970 for 6 years

[viscid torrent]

The 10 series is just, amazing

[dusky ember]

Then a 1660 super

[viscid torrent]

I went from R9 380 to 1070 to 3070

But yeah, the seemingly increasing vram requirements are very much making me consider switching to AMD

[dusky ember]

I don't recommend AMD as far as I know about their cards

I only really recommend the 7800XT or below

But I guess that's why they are ditching high end

[viscid torrent]

I have good experiences with AMD, and my friends who I have recommended AMD cards to also have good experiences with them

[dusky ember]

Well its not like its a bad card its just not special

Considering I paid $900

[viscid torrent]

One of my friends has a 7900 XTX and it's great, another friend has a 6750 XT I believe iirc and it is also a banger

[viscid torrent]

Anyways, just ordered 5700X3D and some other stuff. Unfortunately some stuff isn't in stock so I'll probably have everything like early december

[dusky ember]

https://youtu.be/aCSnI8459rc

[grizzled path]

I had a RX 570 for starter then upgraded to RTX 3060 so to be honest I dont really know the differences between nvidia and amd I always just wanted to try nvidia

rtx 4070 super looks good but if theres not that much of a difference between nvidia and amd i'll obviously go for the cheapest one but so far geforce experience and stuff has been nice to have compared to when i had amd

[grizzled path]

i'm guessing that means price drop right? tbh i was thinking of just getting it black friday

[dusky ember]

PC components don't usually go on sale regardless of price drops. That being said, even if you do find a good price on a high end GPU, you still should wait considering new implementation on DLSS 4 and FSR 4

DLSS 4 will be 5000 series exclusive

Also, the RTX 4070 is not very good

Value wise at least

You should aim for at least a 4070 Super, but at that pricing you might as well wait and get a 5070 or 5070 Ti.

[orchid glacier]

@dusky ember incorrect

Amazon do sell some graphics cards

[normal sonnet]

Would this pc work https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-loq-15-6-gaming-laptop-fhd-amd-ryzen-7-7435hs-with-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-8gb-512gb-ssd-luna-grey/6578511.p?skuId=6578511&extStoreId=1115&utm_source=feed&ref=212&loc=18530632494&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAl4a6BhBqEiwAqvrquk0qx4EFrIsSQGOxZhILn5MUqi3IwONjdLzz1Do8RPn4MV_yPHyOvRoC7DEQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

[acoustic rose]

Yes, for that price you can't really do much better (especially not for laptops).

[viscid torrent]

Plus Lenovo lets their GPU's run high TDP so that's good as well

Screen is pretty bad on the LOQ though, but for that price it's a good deal

[dusky ember]

Lol. This is the last comment I'm making on this because this is a stupid argument and I know I am correct.

Amazon is a DISTRIBUTOR. They DO NOT SELL ANYTHING other than AMAZON BASICS.

If you see something that says "SOLD BY AMAZON", the title of the posting will tell you what brand it is. Amazon IS NOT an AIB board partner. They DO NOT take Nvidia boards and chips, take them to a factory, and make Amazon branded GPUs or CPUs or Motherboards.

Depending on YOUR REGION, certain PC component AIBs might not distribute in that region. Amazon would then act as a RETAILER, buying a GPU at wholesale, then sell at retail markup.

This DOES NOT make Amazon a PC SELLING COMPANY. They never directly MAKE or SUPPORT any PC components outside of the 30 day return window.

Additionally, the fact that ANYONE can buy a PC component, package, and sell it through the Amazon Marketplace, makes Amazon as a PC component site unreliable and something I would not recommend.

You should almost always use a local retailer or a local online distributor. For the US it would be Microcenter or Newegg.

[orchid glacier]

okay then

that applies to corsair

they make nothing

other companies make the stuff for them with their brand slapped onto it

[dusky ember]

That is not the same at all. Corsair supports the products they sell. Amazon does not

If you buy a Corsair power supply you don't go to the manufacturer when it breaks, you go to corsair

Amazon selling a corsair product, if it breaks, you don't go to Amazon outside of the 30 day return window because they can't and won't do anything

You go to corsair

Not the same at all

Amazon doesn't even put "Amazon" on the products they retail so I don't even know how you can say that to be the same

It's not like BestBuy or Microcenter when retailing a product would stick "store name branded item" on their stuff

[orchid glacier]

they do over here

but as you said its regonal based

[dusky ember]

"mm yes, I've seen it before but I'm not going to show any proof of it existing. just take me at my word"

[viscid torrent]

European consumer protection laws bla bla bla. Over here all your warranty stuff is via the store. So if you buy through Amazon and it breaks after a year you have to go to Amazon for warranty

[orchid glacier]

^

[viscid torrent]

Even if it's like a... idk, Apple phone

[orchid glacier]

if amazon refuses you can sue them

for breaking the consumer protection law

[viscid torrent]

Speaking of warranty claims, I just made one for my motherboard because I think the internal usb 2.0 header might be dead? Either that or I have two faulty fan hubs lel

[dusky ember]

I'm familiar with this, because my uncle is a lawyer in Germany. Amazon still would just contact the manufacturer on the consumer's behalf to process a claim. Plus, the only reason its like this in the EU is because of continuity. Makes it easier for consumers to get claims processed.

[orchid glacier]

didn't the EU also force apple to use USB C or ban the sale of iphones

[dusky ember]

This doesn't mean Amazon supports the products they sell. They act as an intermediary to make the claims process easier. It's not the same

Ultimately, the fact that anyone can buy a PC component and sell it on Amazon makes it unreliable in practice.

[viscid torrent]

Oh yeah Amazon wont go and repair it themselves and stuff like that ofc

But your warranty stuff is always via the store and not the manufacturer

[orchid glacier]

Jeff is to busy wasting his money

[viscid torrent]

They did force them to go type c ye

[dusky ember]

Yeah, I don't see how that is any different from going to Microcenter, and going back to Microcenter to get a warranty processed. It's just that the EU has it codified and enforces it for online marketplaces too.

[orchid glacier]

@viscid torrent

im thiking of getting a 240hz 4k monitor next year

[viscid torrent]

That's me

[dusky ember]

But I don't and won't endorse Amazon as a "retailer" because anyone can sell on that site.

It's closer to buying a PC part from Facebook Marketplace than from buying it from a competitor like Newegg

If you don't know what you are looking for you can easily get scammed.

[viscid torrent]

Yeah, Amazon is weird, it's both a retailer and a marketplace stuffed into one

Luckily if you do get scammed, European protection laws are pretty epic

Amazon is forced to help you / refund you if it was a third party that scammed you

[dusky ember]

The entire world doesn't have those protections unfortunately, so I still won't recommend it regardless.

[orchid glacier]

this looks good

[viscid torrent]

We have a store that's very similar to Amazon here and they're super huge as well, but Amazon has significantly better warranty / service stuff compared to the local store, which is surprising

[dusky ember]

Plus, especially for prebuilts, I am highly against purchasing from Amazon because there are many small named brands that are incentivized to sell at as cheap as possible with as crap of a motherboard, PSU, RAM, storage, etc. and not disclose that to the consumer.

How often have you seen a prebuilt PC listed as an "i5 intel processor Nvidia 3060 GPU 16GB RAM 1TB storage" with literally nothing else.

Only when you look at the details you can find the CPU model, but they never list the motherboard, power supply rating, brand of GPU, RAM or storage, or the case model.

This might not be the same in the EU but its very common in the US.

I also don't understand why people won't just buy directly off the brand's site anyways.

[viscid torrent]

Or it's listed as "HIGH SPEED Gaming PC, Fortnite, Warzone!!!!" and then you have to scroll down for 5 minutes to find out it has a Celeron and RX 560

[dusky ember]

That's why I don't recommend prebuilts on Amazon

And if its a major prebuilt brand, just buy off their website

Like why buy an IBuyPower prebuilt on Amazon, just buy it off IBP site

[viscid torrent]

But yeah, over here buying directly from the brands themselves is often much more expensive, sometimes they have great deals, but a lot of times it's cheaper to buy from "<insert random (tech) store>

What's really nice is that a bunch of the bigger tech stores offer a building service. So you choose the parts and they build it for a fee, offering full 2 years warranty on the whole system as well then. Basically self built without the "hassle" of building it yourself and having to send over individual parts for warranty :P

[dusky ember]

That's probably because its a retailer discount.

[viscid torrent]

It's like the convenience of prebuilt with the flexibility of self built for like 80 euros extra

Personally I would never do that because I think building pc's is pretty fun

[dusky ember]

Building service at Microcenter costs $150 🥹

[viscid torrent]

Oof

Here it depends on the store, most are around the 100 euro mark

[dusky ember]

If you want an AIO is $200 🥹

[viscid torrent]

Oh wow, here it's just a flat rate no matter the components

[dusky ember]

Microcenter is the only brick and mortar store that gives this service

It's effectively a monopoly

[viscid torrent]

They'll also test everything, update bios, make sure windows install is ready as well so when you turn it on all you have to do is enter your windows code and install it

[dusky ember]

Well I used to work at Microcenter, we did that too. It's also a free windows copy if you take the service

[viscid torrent]

We have several stores that do that

Here you just pay for the assembly and testing and stuff. Windows you have to get yourself

But, you can also provide them with a key if you already have one and they'll also install that then

[orchid glacier]

i do that on my buisness

Waffle

[dusky ember]

It's probably because the EU is built of multiple different countries, so its hard for a company to branch out into another region unlike in the US. If you try to compete as a retailer against Walmart as a small pop-up store you get squashed instantly

[orchid glacier]

i charge an extra 50 to install windows for customers or they can save 50 by doing it themselves

[viscid torrent]

Yeah, Europe has a whole bunch of tech stores

[orchid glacier]

ya the EU has a law called the fair competition act

[dusky ember]

I wasn't even referring to that. A company that grows in Germany won't be able to easily expand to like... France, because France is a completely different government with their own laws. Makes it easier for France to have their own company that does the same thing, and eventually they might expand into each other.

[orchid glacier]

@viscid torrent don't we also have that law about removing the warrenty sticker is void if removed illegal

[viscid torrent]

There is this pretty big German tech store that recently started selling over here yeah

[dusky ember]

If I have a company in one state in the US and mine is bigger than another in a different state, I can just buy a building, start a branch of my store, undersell my competition, and then the other store will not have any customers

[viscid torrent]

Warranty void stickers are illegal yes

[dusky ember]

We have them in the US but there is precedent that they are not legally enforceable.

[viscid torrent]

If you break them the store / manufacturer cannot deny your warranty

[dusky ember]

It just makes it a stupid hassle to deal with if the company decides to void your warranty and you have to sue them

[orchid glacier]

i break mine all the time to repaste my gpu and clean the fans

companies want money and don't want you to clean the current componets you buy and expect you to buy new

[dusky ember]

"Yes, in the United States, "warranty void if removed" stickers are generally not legally enforceable. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975 prohibits manufacturers from conditioning warranty coverage on the use of specific parts or services unless they are provided free of charge or the manufacturer has obtained a waiver from the Federal Trade Commission (FTC). "

[orchid glacier]

thats the bigger scam here

companies hate it when governments screw them over

if they don't abide by the law they get shutdown

[viscid torrent]

Gotta make sure you have good pictures when you're trying to sell your stuff

[orchid glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dwight-schrute-rainn-wilson-a-bit-extreme-gif-25819050

[viscid torrent]

I'll use the studio at any opportunity I get :^)

[dusky ember]

Yeah... I didn't do that. I just took a large cardboard box, cut it so that it only had 3 sides, glued white paper onto it, got a giant flash light, and then put the PC in the box.

[normal sonnet]

can anybody tell me what great pcs or laptops or computers lol will work for inzoi and sims 4 to play thanks

[lethal walrus]

i have a rx 6600,16 gb ram and a ryzen 3200, does someone knows if i will be able to play?

[viscid torrent]

Your cpu might struggle a bit but it should run

[normal sonnet]

would this one be good or great to run inzoi and sims 4https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-loq-15-6-gaming-laptop-fhd-amd-ryzen-7-7435hs-with-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-8gb-512gb-ssd-luna-grey/6578511.p?skuId=6578511&extStoreId=1115&utm_source=feed&ref=212&loc=18530632494&gad_source=4&gclid=Cj0KCQiAuou6BhDhARIsAIfgrn4_mOjvZ7o36f9lTZfwsTsdzDiJI36zMXawKxr5oUX9SPXozxaVFoIaAv5wEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

[viscid torrent]

It's good yes

16GB is a bit on the lower end for gaming nowadays, but you can always upgrade that down the line

[normal sonnet]

would this or mine would work or no Device name DESKTOP-90H84C2
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7200U CPU @ 2.50GHz 2.70 GHz
Installed RAM 8.00 GB (7.81 GB usable)
Device ID 1EC379FD-618B-4136-A285-3E582895A485
Product ID 00325-96002-75246-AAOEM
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch Touch support with 10 touch points

or this one

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-zephyrus-g16-16-oled-240hz-gaming-laptop-intel-core-ultra-9-16gb-lpddr5x-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-1tb-ssd-eclipse-gray/6570222.p?skuId=6570222

[viscid torrent]

i5-7200U, that's basically caveman technology by today's standard unfortunately :(

[viscid torrent]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-legion-pro-5i-16-gaming-laptop-wqxga-intel-14th-gen-core-i9-with-32gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-8gb-2tb-ssd-onyx-grey/6575390.p?skuId=6575390
This is a much better deal

It's significantly faster, cheaper, has more storage, and has more memory

The Asus Zephyrus has the 4070 running at much lower power than the Lenovo has

That said, 16" 240hz oled panel does sound really nice

[normal sonnet]

u mean this one https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-legion-pro-5i-16-gaming-laptop-wqxga-intel-14th-gen-core-i9-with-32gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-8gb-2tb-ssd-onyx-grey/6575390.p?skuId=6575390

[viscid torrent]

Yes, that is the one I linked

[normal sonnet]

so thhis will work great for inzoi and sims 4 right so should i get this maybe

[normal sonnet]

looks like it has Windows 11 Operating System
Windows 11 brings back the Start Menu from Windows 7 and introduces new features, like the Edge Web browser that lets you markup Web pages on your screen. but can it be updraded to DirectX: Version 12

[normal sonnet]

and this one https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-legion-7i-16-gaming-laptop-wqxga-intel-14th-gen-core-i7-with-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-8gb-1tb-ssd-glacier-white/6575391.p?skuId=6575391

[viscid torrent]

I think this would be a better deal https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-tuf-15-6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-with-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-1tb-ssd-mecha-grey/6573673.p?skuId=6573673

And yes, Windows 11 supports DX12, RTX 40-series graphics cards do as well

[dusky ember]

@viscid torrent

Limited-time deal: MSI Katana A15 AI 15.6” 165Hz QHD Gaming Laptop: Ryzen 9-8945HS, NVIDIA Geforce RTX 4070, 32GB DDR5, 1TB NVMe SSD, Cooler Boost 5, Win 11: Black B8VG-450US https://a.co/d/bawjH6K

Cheaper with better CPU.

Every other spec is the same but $200 cheaper

[viscid torrent]

MSI kinda sucks

They put the lowest wattage gpu's in their laptops

[dusky ember]

Why buy a laptop at that point then lol

Just get a prebuilt if the battery dies from an hour of hard gaming

[viscid torrent]

Only their high end models have proper wattage

Their low end stuff has super bad performance compared to like Lenovo LOQ / Legion and Asus TUF / Strix

Who even games on battery :v

[harsh mountain]

real

[viscid torrent]

If you still have school / uni / whatever, and you only have money for one system. Getting a laptop is great. Run it on battery at school and stuff and at home plug it in and you can game as long as you want

But yeah, MSI is pretty notorious for putting pretty heavily tdp limited gpu's in their laptops

In their Blade's, Katana's, Bravo's, Sword's etc

Only they like... whatever their high end stuff is called has gpu's with proper wattage

That said. A low wattage 4070 is still very fast. It is however missing performance compared to other laptops

Oh, and cheaper MSI laptops have really bad build quality

It's either really cheap plastic or very flimsy metal. Once again only their expensive stuff has good build quality

[dusky ember]

I'm always going to be more of an advocate of buying a long battery life, cheap laptop, then having a prebuilt, and if you want to game, you remote to your prebuilt

[viscid torrent]

A lot of modern gaming laptops have decent battery life nowadays. And modern laptops have good performance as well unlike a bunch of years ago. The Lenovo Legion I used to have would last an entire workday without having my charger with me

But yeah, it is certainly an option to get a cheap laptop and then a budget desktop alongside that

But I can definitively understand only using a laptop. I think I've gamed more on my laptop than I have on my much better desktop in the past 5 years

As I'm just constantly like, anywhere but home :P

But yeah, if you have the option of having both a laptop and a desktop then 100% go for that

Unless you don't need the laptop ofc, then just desktop

[formal spade]

Do you think my pc with a rtx 2080ti and a i9-9900k will blow up if i play this game?

[viscid torrent]

If you run it at 8k it might

[formal spade]

TY. so it should run at 1080p or 1440p?

[viscid torrent]

As long as the game isn't out that'll be difficult to say

But you'll definitively be able to run the game at 1080p

[formal spade]

Ok. Thank you very much

[fossil cave]

Ti super actually

The super and ti aren't supported anymore since ti super launched

[fossil cave]

The cpu is one generation too low for the minimum

[formal spade]

so i can't play it?

but on steam it says i5-10400 for the minimum

[viscid torrent]

No

Super is the one that "replaced" the regular 4070

Ti Super has not replaced the Super and is in a completely different price segment

[viscid torrent]

Doesn't really matter, performance wise it'll suffice

[formal spade]

wait, i'm confuesd. do i need to upgrade my pc or not

[viscid torrent]

No

You're above the minimum listed specs

[formal spade]

ok. thanks. All i needed to know

[fossil cave]

Yea, 10th generation. You're generation 9.

The numbers after the - matters

[formal spade]

ohh got it

[fossil cave]

You may still be able to play it

Gpu meets minimum

The cpu could cause lag spikes though

[formal spade]

i feel like we're going back and forth

So consider upgrading the cpu soon?

[hearty totem]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bZNBPJ
criticize my picks, pls
I prob won't change my mind, but see fresh eyes who might convince me

[slow oxide]

does the cooler really need a display?

if not go for deepcool assasin 4 for air, arctic freezer III for AIO

otherwise, pretty solid (probably lower latency RAM)

[hearty totem]

I wants it for temps

[viscid torrent]

And the 9900K is faster than the 10400 so it doesn't matter

[viscid torrent]

These fans are much better https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-P12-PWM-RGB-Pack/dp/B0B8DT9MH1

Why 2 coolers in the list? If you want air cooler this is better than the Noctua one https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Peerless-Assassin-Technology-1500RPM/dp/B0DB861CFX, if you want an AIO with a screen then this is like $130 less https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6XLdnQ/corsair-icue-h150i-elite-lcd-xt-6557-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-cw-9060077-ww

Your PSU doesn't support the modern ATX 3.0 standard and I would not recommend you'd buy. Instead buy one of these as they are all very high quality according to HWBusters / Cybenetics https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4v3NnQ/thermaltake-toughpower-gf-a3-1050-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-1050fnfagu-l
or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9vzhP6/asus-rog-strix-aura-edition-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-rog-strix-1000g-aura-gaming
or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XZsV3C/corsair-rm1000x-2024-1000-w-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020271-na
or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K6wmP6/nzxt-c1000-2024-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-pa-0g2bb-us

In terms of best quality it would be NZXT C1000 > Asus 1000G > Thermaltake GF A3 1000w > Corsair RM1000x (2024)

[lethal walrus]

i wonder if this game will have FSR.DLSS or frame generation

for people with not so powerful and not so weak pcs

[viscid torrent]

The demo had DLSS if I'm not mistaken

FSR, no clue but I do hope it will get support for it

[formal spade]

wait there's a demo?

[viscid torrent]

had

[formal spade]

oh ok

[viscid torrent]

The demo is in the past

[hearty totem]

notes taken, tysm =]

[slow oxide]

It does, along with TSR iirc

[viscid torrent]

[lethal walrus]

thats good news

if it comes optimized

even better

[hearty totem]

bc you're always going to be touching the back bottom of your tower...

[reef mortar]

Who came up with that shit LOL

Clearly doesnt understand gamers at all istg

[viscid torrent]

The zero fan mode button I understand, but a knob to change fan speed

Why

[reef mortar]

Yeah but also the location

Its such a weird spot

[viscid torrent]

That's why I'm saying why

Since a button you just press once and leave it forever. A knob is more something you want to adjust on the fly so having it on the back of your pc at the psu is just silly

[reef mortar]

Oh yeah exactly i misunderstood

[frosty bough]

[fossil cave]

can someone give me suggestions for full hardware for my future boyfriend? he has a old laptop from 2012 and never played any games cuz hes a boomer but for me he'd buy a actual pc, he doesnt need high end pc, better would be something beginner "friendly" which isnt as expensive but can still play inzoi on the lowest settings for example

[viscid torrent]

What budget and country?

[reef mortar]

Future boyfriend..?

[fossil cave]

germany, he knows that he has to spend 1000+

[fossil cave]

were in dating phase

we meet up soon

[viscid torrent]

Doesn't have to spend 1k+ necessarily

But knowing a budget is easier before recommending something that would be too expensive or overkill etc

I guess a monitor is needed as well?

[viscid torrent]

Anyways, I'll have a looksie later

[viscid torrent]

If the gaming is done at 1080p / full hd I'd look at something like this

Alternatively AM4 is also an option to cut the price down without losing on performance. Only difference is that a cpu upgrade will be impossible

[fossil cave]

Yea everything, probably keyboard and mouse too

[viscid torrent]

https://geizhals.de/msi-g255pfde-e2-9s6-3bc09m-010-a3220593.html

[fossil cave]

No idea what am4 means

[viscid torrent]

Monitor ^

Keyboard and mouse, pretty personal, I can give recommendations or you can go to a store to try out a bunch to see what you like :P

[viscid torrent]

It's the socket of the processor. The latest generation from AMD is AM5. Their previous generation is AM4

Basically AM4 is cheaper but you can't upgrade it in the future because no new processors will get released for it

AM5 is more expensive but you can upgrade it in the future as they're still releasing new products for it

It'll be a 50 euro difference basically

[viscid torrent]

That said, the monitor I just linked seems to be a pretty good deal

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07CGNDZR3
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0CJKV6CMP

Keyboard and mouse you could get something like this

[fossil cave]

Ohh, I mean he's assuming that he needs to spend around 1500€ so I guess future proved is in

[fossil cave]

I sent him the links

[viscid torrent]

Not at all, the 850 euro build I sent should be able to super easily easily run the game at minimum (probably higher) graphics

[fossil cave]

That's the upgradeable one right?

[viscid torrent]

Yes

[fossil cave]

Quite good

[viscid torrent]

They're both upgradable, but the cheaper one you can't upgrade the processor

The 850 you can upgrade everything, also the processor

[fossil cave]

Ohh, there the Mainboard would need to get replaced too right?

[viscid torrent]

If you want to upgrade the processor on the cheaper one you'd need a new motherboard and memory

The 850 one you can keep the motherboard and memory if you want to upgrade the processor

[fossil cave]

I see

[viscid torrent]

If budget is tight, then the cheaper one is great. But since the budget is pretty flexible I'd say go with the 850 one as the price difference is small

More modern and better upgradability

It'll run everything at 1080p perfectly fine

[fossil cave]

Yeahhh we'll look into the more expensive one, thank you 👍🏻

[viscid torrent]

Alternative better graphics card could be https://geizhals.de/sapphire-pulse-radeon-rx-7700-xt-11335-04-20g-a3010507.html

If you want to spend more money :P

The 6650 XT should give like average of 85 fps over most games at 1080p, the 7700 XT will do like 125 fps

[fossil cave]

Thank you!

I plan to upgrade my own Mainboard and ram too cause I'm still on ddr4, any recommends?

[viscid torrent]

What do you have now?

Because it could be that it's more interesting to upgrade the cpu first and then like 4-5 years down the line to upgrade again

[fossil cave]

I7-13700

I need a different CPU likely, I suspect it might be somewhat broken cause it was always in high temperature

[viscid torrent]

Ah yeah, there's nothing to upgrade to with that

And it can very well be broken, 13th and 14th gen i7's and i9's have major design flaws

[fossil cave]

Yeah if it's broken I wanted to switch to amd

My PC keeps crashing and even get blue screen when I play games

And it's still overheating even after adjusting it in the bios

[viscid torrent]

If all you really do is gaming then the 7500F is amazing value

[fossil cave]

Doesn't gaming need the most?

[viscid torrent]

Need the most what?

Anyways, whatever is most interesting all really comes down to your budget, the rest of your system, the resolution you game at, and what other stuff you do with your pc

[fossil cave]

Most power

[fossil cave]

He offered me to buy me a whole new PC

And he'd get my old one

I denied but I guess he isn't as tight on money then

[viscid torrent]

Well, yes, but no, but yes

Most games like it when you have a fast cpu yes, but they tend to not care too much about having a lot of cores

The Ryzen 5 7500F is really fast

If you want something better for gaming then I'd look at the Ryzen 5 7600X3D as it's one of the fastest gaming cpu's and a pretty good price right now, 299 euros

If you do more than just gaming, like a lot of video editing and stuff like that, then more cores tend to be more interesting than raw speed, so something like a Ryzen 7 7700 or Ryzen 7 9700X are very decent options

[fossil cave]

nah i just play games, so 5 7600x3d is good?

[viscid torrent]

Either Ryzen 5 7500F, Ryzen 7 7700, or Ryzen 5 7600X3D are probably the most interesting options atm, depending on how much money you want to spend

[fossil cave]

what does x3d mean?

i see it a lot

[viscid torrent]

AMD's X3D processors are basically versions of their regular processors that have more L3 cache and 3D v cache.
To explain it very very simply, you can kind of see it as memory, but built into the processor and it's really fast. Games in particular really like it when you have more of that. Other programs don't really care. So AMD's X3D processors are especially good at gaming

So if you want a really good gaming processor, then the 7600X3D is a great option as it's really good for gaming, the the price is pretty decent.
It is however basically double the price of the 7500F which is also a very decent gaming processor. But if you have the budget for it then by all means, the 7600X3D is a great option

[fossil cave]

i have a 4070 ti super, which ones pairs better with that?

[viscid torrent]

What resolution do you game on? 1080p, 1440p, 4k?

[fossil cave]

1440

[viscid torrent]

I see. The higher the resolution the more GPU dependent games get. So as a result the performance difference between CPU's gets smaller.
So at 1440p, on average you'd be looking at like a 7% performance difference compared to the 7500F and 5% compared to the 7700 (all in favor of the 7600X3D). Some games will see a much bigger boost, other games will see almost no difference

If that's worth paying 150 euros more than the 7500F or like almost 80 euros more than the 7700. I'll leave that up to you :P

My personal opinion. If you have a bit of a budget or don't want to spend too much money, 7500F all the way.
If budget doesn't matter that much and you're fine just spending whatever to get the most performance out of your money, then 7600X3D is very appealing.
If next to gaming you also do stuff such as photo editing, drawing, Adobe, AI, etc. Then the 7700 is a great option

[grizzled path]

Looking to upgrade a GPU and went with the RTX 4070 Super I have around a 400-600 EUR budget is there any better?

[viscid torrent]

If you don't care about ray tracing then the 7900 GRE

[frosty bough]

What is ray tracing anyways?

[grizzled path]

I dont really play much games that have it I just always thought geforce experience etc was just nicer to have than when i had an amd card

[acoustic rose]

Even for non Raytraycing the 7900 GRE is just 1-2% faster and DLSS is far better than FSR so it's more than fine.
Only real advantage is 16 vs 12 GB but I wouldn't make a big issue out of that.

[grizzled path]

Okay thanks do you know a good CPU to match with 4070 Super?

[acoustic rose]

Something like a Ryzen 5 7600(x) or 7500F if there are some available in your region

[viscid torrent]

No, it's 4-5% faster

And usually cheaper than the 4070 Super

They're both great options

Basically can't go wrong with either the 4070 Super or 7900 GRE

[acoustic rose]

Well depends on exact model/clockspeed and game selection I guess.
PCGH has it at 1% faster and Tom's Hardware has it at 3,7%

[viscid torrent]

Techpowerup has it at 4-5% depending on resolution

[obsidian chasm]

I'm watching a Linus Tech Tips video asking the question, "Should I buy a pc now? Or wait till newer components are released?" The answer is buy right now. Tariffs and a cryptocurrency boom are going to drive up the price. It might be a bad idea to wait till Inzoi is released.

[slow oxide]

LTT is an entertainment channel at best (yes, I know they have Labs, but they're not utilizing it entirely), not an informational one

for hardware news and general info, go to actual reviewers like Gamers Nexus, Level1Techs, or Hardware Unboxed

[livid gust]

Would this be good?

https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/acer-nitro-16-gaming-laptop-ryzen-9-32gb-1tb-4060-acqqfsa003

I will literally buy it right now if people think it's a good system and will be fine to run Inzoi as well as other games, and hopefully last a good handful of years

[reef mortar]

I'm not sure tbh, the GPU is very meh for that price

But I'm not really that well read in laptops so you should wait until other ppl read it too

[livid gust]

However it's way cheaper than the of prices, prices are in AUD btw for anyone looking

The OG price*

[livid gust]

Bit random, do you have any recommendations for learning about all this computer stuff? Like to actually learn how they work, what's better than what and why etc etc

[slow oxide]

Just watch this if you want the basics of a PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRY1jrIDhvU

covers everything from laptops to desktops

[livid gust]

Sweet thank you, also while you're here, what do you think of the laptop I'm thinking of purchasing??

[slow oxide]

solid RAM, ehh GPU but it'll do fine on medium-low

[livid gust]

I mean I'm only asking for something that'll run things well not on ultra settings lol

[slow oxide]

as long as Nvidia still holds monopoly on laptop GPU's, the price ain't going lower

that said, it'll run fine

like 60fps-locked-on-bajilion-upscalling-doodads kinda fine

[livid gust]

I really only understand as far as 60fps l

Lol*

[slow oxide]

nah i'm taking a piss at the current gaming market

lmfao

[livid gust]

Ah I see lmfao

Alright well I'll buy the laptop before cyber Monday is over, I'm pretty sure the OG price of the laptop is like a whole thousand dollars more

[viscid torrent]

Not a bad deal

If you want to know more about gaming laptops

https://youtube.com/@jarrodstech?si=wPHRC8kvkgvEdcvV

[viscid torrent]

They function as informational as well and after their changes can be classified as a good information channel. That said, never get your information from one source and always cross reference between a handful of sources as one should always do, even when watching or reading from something or someone you can "trust" as anyone can make mistakes in providing information

[orchid glacier]

@viscid torrent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pomC1CfpC0

[viscid torrent]

Yeah I saw

The annoying part is that the NZXT H6 Flow has like no competitor, so there isn't any other case I can get

At this point we can't buy anything anymore 😔
NZXT sucks, Corsair sucks, Asus sucks, Nvidia sucks, Intel sucks, AMD sucks

[orchid glacier]

what about msi

[viscid torrent]

They also sucked right

I can recall them pulling a lot of bs and stuff

But yeah, I'll still be buying NZXT as there's not really any other case that comes close

And bought, 89 euros for H6 Flow is an epic deal

[slow oxide]

decent motherboards, sucking at everything else

even their monitors gets dunked on by Xiaomi of all brands

[viscid torrent]

Their gpu's are for the most part pretty solid as well

Except for that one time where the heatsinks would fall off of the gpu back with the R9 280 or something

And they had the worst motherboards in existence during first gen Ryzen

[runic holly]

First time I’d be buying a tower instead of a laptop so I’m kinda clueless but does this look good to play InZoi I dunno if the super is better then the regular Ti?
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i7-14700f-32gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-2tb-ssd-black/6572406.p?sb_share_source=PDP&skuId=6572406

[slow oxide]

normally Nvidia hierarchy goes like = no suffix > super > ti > ti super

not to mention the weird ones like no pin 3050s or the 4060 16gb

so, go for the ti

[viscid torrent]

I wouldn't buy a system with a 14th gen i7 in it, that's just asking for trouble

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/ibuypower-tracemesh-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-7700-32gb-ddr5-ram-amd-radeon-rx-7800xt-16gb-2tb-nvme-ssd-black/6567018.p?skuId=6567018

This seems like a much better deal

7800 XT is also faster in every single way than the 4060 Ti, which includes faster in ray tracing

Alternatively if you'd want the 4070 Super variant of that Asus pc, I'd get this instead https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-supreme-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-32gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-12gb-2tb-ssd-white/6575113.p?skuId=6575113

Again better performance for less money :)

[runic holly]

They both look good do you think they’ll last a few years at least?

My current gaming PC is about to be a decade old so

[viscid torrent]

Easily

[runic holly]

Ooh ok then thank you

[dusky ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R0eIhxsuYI

Supposed -25% power draw and +45% RT performance over the 7900 XTX. If released at X800XT MSRP ($500) this is going to be a monster card.

Nevermind on the RT performance. That is more ambiguous. The 45% number is in a game where RT is not that prevalent and does not really push the card.

[viscid torrent]

Well, in heavier games that's still going to be better RT performance than the XTX as well then I assume, so it could very well be that it'll have super competitive RT performance against the 5070

I feel like RX 8000 is kind of AMD's all or nothing to try and like, define themselves in the market as Nvidia just has free reign. So I'm much more excited to see what they're cooking up than I am for Nvidia

I feel like with Nvidia, the 50 series is just "wow, look, it's the 40 series but faster". Whereas with AMD I have no clue what to expect for their new series

[slow oxide]

smoking crack and going into their Polaris phase again it seems

[acoustic rose]

AMD GPU leaks always end up being overblown. Just like RNDA3 last time.

[viscid torrent]

Well, lets hope it at least won't be boring unlike nvidia for the past years :P

I want to see some weird silly goofy stuff

[slow oxide]

inb4 AMD pulls a funny and starts putting HBMs as VRAM again 🤣

[dusky ember]

xx70 class RT performance with 7900XTX raster at $500 is already an infinitely better card than what Nvidia will likely offer at that price point

Considering that the 5070 will have 12GB and the 8800XT likely 16GB, even $600 to match the xx70 MSRP wouldn't be bad

[dusky ember]

That's fair, but given what we have it's also fair to estimate that it will be under 300W card and much improved RT performance with 7900XTX level raster performance.

Which for the x800XT MSRP of $500 is already really good

[frosty bough]

Umm why did my PC just go to blue screen then this screen in the middle of my game

[reef mortar]

Its an update for the motherboard BIOS

Its very important to keep that updated I think so that might be why it randomly forces you to update it

[viscid torrent]

Bios updates usually come with stability and support updates and such so it is important to keep up to date

[dusky ember]

really weird that it would randomly do that. if its an HP laptop, their BIOS updates could come with the windows update which you might have had scheduled.

but its nothing bad

[devout holly]

will a Geforce 1660 super intel core i-5 be good for this game or at least alright

[viscid torrent]

Which i5

[devout holly]

11400f

i just want to play it lol

[viscid torrent]

gpu might be a little lacking

Cpu is perfectly fine

[devout holly]

Which one is which

I5?

Is cpu?

I'm not a computer person lol

[viscid torrent]

Yes

[devout holly]

I'm getting a new pc around may would I still be able to play it on the one I have now until the new one comes

[dusky ember]

At 1080p minimal settings, it will "run".

Whether it runs well or not is really subjective

I don't think it will hit 60FPS, but maybe around 30-40FPS

You might have stuff like missing textures since the 1660 Super only has 6GB of VRAM

If you want a good 1080p to 1440p card I'd recommend the new Intel Arc GPU coming out on Dec 13th

The Intel Arc B570

It's relatively cheap at $219 MSRP

[devout holly]

Alright I'll be getting an Intel i-7 4080

That should be good

[viscid torrent]

It's also quite a bit slower than the 2060

So my guess is 30 fps experience assuming the minimum requirements are aimed towards 60 fps

[devout holly]

Ya okay so I'll get started on my old pc then transfer it over

[viscid torrent]

Unless you can do it for cheap, I'm not sure how worth it it is to upgrade the cpu

Compared to saving up and going for a new platform entirely, like AM5 or Intel Core Ultra

[devout holly]

Nvm I'm getting an i9

[oak kestrel]

Would my rtx 3060 laptop be good enough to run inzoi

[viscid torrent]

Have fun trying to cool that lmao

[viscid torrent]

Probably, performance will highly depend on the TGP though

[dusky ember]

I would avoid Intel chips right now. They are not good for the price, and the older generations (13th and 14th) have known issues that you can't be certain have been fixed. I wouldn't risk it.

The Core Ultra 9-285K costs $600 yet loses in every metric versus the 7800X3D (Previous generation chip. Currently on sale on Amazon at $349) except for productivity. It loses extremely heavy in gaming. The 285K even loses to last gen Intel chips like the 13600K and up depending on the game.

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-7800X3D-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B0BTZB7F88/ref=sr_1_1

[viscid torrent]

Considering they're on 11th gen I assume they'd try to upgrade to an 11th or 12th gen i9

Which could be interesting if it's cheap, but, probably going to have to upgrade your cooler as well

[dusky ember]

I mean, if they are getting a 4080, I don't think they are going to upgrade another part to something not new

[viscid torrent]

Who knows

[dusky ember]

Regardless, I don't think Intel is a good choice at all. The 7800X3D for $349 is the most insane deal I've seen in a long time

[viscid torrent]

I am no stranger to mixing used and new together, but hey, everyone does different stuff

[viscid torrent]

For me it says it's $480

[dusky ember]

Euro?

It might be location based

[viscid torrent]

No

[dusky ember]

welp L bozo I guess

[viscid torrent]

Average Amazon moment

But if it's actually available for 350 then that's pretty neat, basically the normal price for it

[dusky ember]

Yeah that's basically the price it should be

The reason its insane is because how good it is

Beats every other chip in gaming except for the 9800X3D

[viscid torrent]

yep yep

Over here it's hovering around 600 euros

9800X3D basically not in stock anywhere

[dusky ember]

europe moment

[viscid torrent]

I mean, that's over here, other countries will be different

Quick look at Germany it's 550 there for the 7800X3D

Cool thing about Germany though is that they have the 7600X3D for 299, which for gaming is basically a slightly slower 7800X3D with 2 less cores

[devout holly]

I already got the i9 so it'll have to so

Do

I don't doubt the ability at all tho

[viscid torrent]

Which i9 is it?

[devout holly]

ill check

14900KF

[viscid torrent]

Can you still return it?

Because it's not a smart decision to buy that. It has serious design flaws and will break sooner than later. It's also nearly impossible to cool

If you want Intel then go Core Ultra

Not 14th gen

[devout holly]

If worse comes to worst I'll replace it in the future. Otherwise I trust it and it's an upgrade from what I have now

[viscid torrent]

Good luck because that cpu is a big mess

[devout holly]

I think I got hit with a sign, my order got canceled so would you recommend intel core ultra 9?

[viscid torrent]

No

For gaming you're better off with AM5

But if you really really really really want intel for whatever reason, then Core Ultra 7

As it seems to be the best value out of the new intels

[devout holly]

i would go with the AM5 but for me right now thats imposible i looked and all but cant find any in stock in my regional are thats in my budget. the ultra 9 is on sale right now

[viscid torrent]

I see I see, what region if you don't mind me asking?

[devout holly]

im in canada, ive been searching all the websites and the ones that have them dont ship to me lol. but that aside i can definitely buy the AMD in the future because they are definitely not bad in pricing. I can switch it out. right now i have an ultra 9 coming which is still not bad performance and less power consuming. so more like a temporary fix thing. but its still a landslide upgrade from what i have now

[viscid torrent]

Core Ultra 9 is good yeah, AM5 is still better though, so compared to Ultra 7 I guess it mainly depends on the price

[devout holly]

i am absolutely sure that AM5 is better as well. just availability. in the future i will make a swith tho

but now should my inzoi run well? not 30 fps

[viscid torrent]

Oh yeah, Intel Core Ultra is very fast

All *three of them are

[devout holly]

lol thats good

[viscid torrent]

5 7 and 9

[devout holly]

like i said i would rather AM5 but it is what it is

[viscid torrent]

AM5 is basically the best you can get so Core Ultra being like one step behind that is still super good :P

[devout holly]

anyway thanks for all the help

[viscid torrent]

Enjoy the new cpu ^^

[languid lotus]

Hey is this https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-003E-00661 a good pc to buy and website i haven't brought anything from newgg and do i buy warranty there too. and also https://www.bestbuy.com/site/ibuypower-tracemesh-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-7700-32gb-ddr5-ram-amd-radeon-rx-7800xt-16gb-2tb-nvme-ssd-black/6567018.p?skuId=6567018

[acoustic rose]

First deal is severly overpriced by at least $300 spec wise. Second deal is better but its not clear what motherboard, PSU and RAM they are using (usually a lower quality/cheaper ones) which is not ideal but not the end of the world either.
If you want to try and build your own you can build a similar one for $1150-$1300 or a significantly more powerful one for $1550.

[viscid torrent]

ibuypower tends to be decent quality iirc so you'll probably be fine on psu quality and the likes

[languid lotus]

I don't know how build my own pc i would love to and idk where get parts

[viscid torrent]

If you live in the US you can use pcpartpicker.com to create a list, it'll also tell you the pricing of everything and where you can buy it. It's very useful. If needed people here help you with making a list.
As for building yourself. There's a lot of really good videos and guides on youtube that explain how everything works. I personally really like the description of that it's a bit like expensive legos :P
but if you prefer to just buy a prebuilt to not deal with any hassle, have things be easier with warranty etc then that's perfectly fine as well

[languid lotus]

i want someone created a list so i know general idea what i should look for

[viscid torrent]

I prefer building myself over buying a prebuilt as I see it as being fun and a learning experience, but I totally understand people buying prebuilts instead

If you're not going to build yourself, then the ibuypower pc you linked is a great deal

[languid lotus]

ok i am checking link now

[languid lotus]

can u check out build i made link see if it good if u can

[viscid torrent]

Yeah sure

[languid lotus]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sfcCzP

[viscid torrent]

The CPU is amazing, but it's just not worth it at it's current price I feel like, for half the price you're losing out on like 10% performance with a 4090. And since you'll be using a slower graphics card that performance difference compared to a cheaper CPU will most likely be smaller.
Cooler is kind of overkill, but it looks really nice and it's really good so I can understand :P
Motherboard is a very good option
The memory is meant for Intel so I wouldn't use that.
The SSD is really good, but too expensive. There's other SSD's that are practically equal for less money.
Graphics card is perfectly fine
If you want a white case I would personally go with other white components as well, or at least some other ones for accent colors. So like white memory, white cooler etc. That said, Corsair doesn't have the best track reccord regarding their newer cases so there could be some other ones that are interesting.
The PSU is very overkill and also just very mediocre, there's much better options out there.
Windows, you can buy 100% legal and legitimate keys for like $10
Monitor is just not it, this is basically a cheap office monitor, not really something you want to use for gaming

I can make a list of what I would do. Is $2000 your budget for pc + monitor? Or would you prefer to spend less?

[languid lotus]

i would love spent less around 1800 if i can, i would love it if u could create lists

[viscid torrent]

[viscid torrent]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FfQz74

[languid lotus]

than you

[viscid torrent]

At 1080p the 9600X is a beast, not as fast as the 7800X3D of course, but it's much better value.
Besides that, tried to stick to a white theme to match the case. If you don't like the case you can always switch it out for something else, like the Corsair one you picked earlier for example or anything else.

[fossil cave]

I don't understand those numbers

Why is 9600x weaker than 7800??

[viscid torrent]

The short explanation, the 9600X is slower in games than the 7800X3D because it just is, that's all you need to know

The long explanation. The 7800X3D has a lot more cache which is something games really like. Besides this most games usually don't use the full 8 cores so the 9600X "only" having 6 doesn't really matter for gaming. Combine this with the 9600X having better singlecore performance you would think the 9600X would be faster in games than the 7800X3D. However, the additional cache the X3D possesses makes it perform better in games.

All of that said, the 9600X is much better value atm

[languid lotus]

can i also ask what difference from AMD - Ryzen 9 7900X 12-core - 24-Thread 4.7 GHz (5.6 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM5 Desktop Processor - Silver and 7800xrd

[viscid torrent]

The like 5-8% difference in gaming performance between the 9600X and 7800X3D is not worth $200+

The Ryzen 9 7900X is a dual CCD 12 core cpu without additional cache, which makes it absolutely not interesting for gaming

Dual CCD is basically 6+6=12 rather than 12=12. And correct me if I'm wrong but I believe games aren't really that smart and will grab one of those clusters rather than 2, so games will only really use 6 cores with the 7900X. Combine this with the part where it's also not meant as a gaming cpu but more as a workstation cpu, hence the 12 cores, and you have a cpu that is anything but interesting for gaming

Unless you happen to use your pc for both gaming and a lot of workstation use or purely workstation use, the 7900X is not an interesting thing to buy

To explain it really simply. 7900X is aimed at like video rendering, 3D modeling, photoshop, etc, not at gaming :P

[devout holly]

Someone mentioned doing something with my bios when I hot my new intel core ultra 9 285k

Got*

What am I supposed to do to ensure best performance?

[viscid torrent]

You want to enable XMP

You also want to enable Resizable Bar

[devout holly]

What does that do?

[viscid torrent]

Outside of that, I can't really think of anything else

XMP makes sure your memory runs at optimal speeds

Resizable bar I honestly have no clue but it's basically a good thing

That's all you need to know

[devout holly]

Lol okay thanks!

[acoustic rose]

Also, theres new microcode coming out very soon that's supposed to fix some latency related issues etc. which aims to improve gaming performance so check on your motherboards website in a 2-3 weeks and check if there is a new BIOS version.

[devout holly]

Sounds good 👍

[mild crow]

But would it be enough if I just stick to 1080p 60 fps on the game? I'm not really trying to play in 4k or even 1440p.

[dusky ember]

I only mentioned that because if you buy the eGPU you aren't getting the full performance.

It's really only a waste of money value wise and the only other value it has is aesthetic

But ultimately its your money

It will be able to play at 1440p, probably, but you will notice that it would be slower than having gotten a 7600M XT plugged directly into a system.

You're paying for the aesthetic not the card

[mild crow]

But wouldn't that still be the case if I buy any other eGPU given that I only get to hook it up via Thunderbold 4?

[dusky ember]

Yes

Thats why I don't recommend an eGPU unless you absolutely can't get a GPU (Due to having a laptop or something similar).

[mild crow]

Yeah, it's impossible for me to get a GPU and directly connect it to a PC right now. My best bet at the moment is the portable PC I have with Ryzen 7 7840U and then hook it up with an eGPU via Thunderbolt 4.

[mild crow]

Speaking of which, would it be playable if I don't use any eGPU and rely on Ryzen 7 7840U with AMD Radeon 780M and set the settings to 720p locked in at 30fps?

[viscid torrent]

Hard to say as long as the game isn't out

It probably won't be a good experience

[mild crow]

It'll be a Nintendo Switch experience. Lol

[languid lotus]

is XFX Speedster SWFT210 Radeon RX 7800XT Gaming Graphics Card with 16GB GDDR6 HDMI 3xDP, AMD RDNA 3 RX-78TSWFTFA a good graphic card

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DCPBWGPD/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1

[acoustic rose]

Yes it's a good card. You can get a (different) 7800XT for $459 as well with promo code.https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rfV2FT/asrock-challenger-oc-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16-gb-video-card-rx7800xt-cl-16go

[dusky ember]

If you need it right now, its definitely the best card you can get at this price point, but if you don't necessarily need it now, I'd recommend until the 8800XT comes out sometime in January. Inzoi is scheduled for a March release so there is plenty of time.

Even if the 8800XT comes out at a higher price, it will knock down last gen models by $50-$100 as retailers try to sell them off.

I expect the 8800XT to have a $550 MSRP. Apparently it rivals the 7900XTX in raw performance and delivers xx70Ti/xx80 levels of ray tracing performance.

[quasi ridge]

Hi! I’m searching for a laptop to buy that would run the game and I found one that might work! Could anyone please give me an opinion? I just want to make sure I’m getting the right one! 😊

Asus TUF Gaming A16 R7-7/16/512/RX7600S 16"

AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS processor
AMD Radeon RX 7600S grafik
16GB DDR5 RAM, 512GB M.2 PCIe SSD

[viscid torrent]

Whether it's the right one all comes down to what the price is

Cpu is fine, gpu is the bare minimum in terms of laptop gpu's, ram is also the bare minimum

[viscid torrent]

As in, if it's really cheap then it's good, if it's not then it just sucks

[quasi ridge]

It’s not that cheap tbh… I’m just having a hard time finding a good one in my area 😭

[quasi ridge]

Is this any better? The price is very similar, so i was wondering
Acer Nitro 16 R7-7HS/16/512/4060/165Hz 16"
AMD Ryzen™ 7-8845HS processor
Nvidia Geforce RTX 4060-grafik
16 GB DDR5 RAM, 512 GB NVMe SSD

[viscid torrent]

What is your budget and what are some big sites where you can buy?

[quasi ridge]

Around 1,200 euros. I can buy off amazon, elgiganten, and a bunch of swedish online stores. Amazon here is kinda limited though

[viscid torrent]

Sweden, gotcha

[quasi ridge]

Yup!

[viscid torrent]

https://www.inet.se/produkt/1975840/lenovo-loq-gaming-ryzen-7-24gb-512gb-rtx-4060

Probably the most interesting option within your budget

[quasi ridge]

Thank you so much! That was so kind of you 🥹💜

[viscid torrent]

Always happy to help ^^

[shy nexus]

will it work for the game Gen Intel Alder Lake N100 Processor

[viscid torrent]

The N100 is a low power processor made for mini pc's for office tasks, htpc stuff and other similar stuff

It's not slow by any means, but for modern games, you're not really going to have a great time

It's well below the minimum specs for the game basically

Since it is an N100 I'm going to take a guess here and say there's no dedicated graphics card

As an N100 system with a graphics card in it sounds very silly

Which means yes, you can run the game. It will however be the equivalent of playing a powerpoint presentation :P

[sudden portal]

Hi I changed my mind too get a pc and monitor and can’t really find anything

[viscid torrent]

What exactly do you mean with can't find anything? Like you don't know what to look for or...?

[sudden portal]

Yes I don’t really know what to look for when it comes to pc stuff and I’d rather the pc to be built already

[viscid torrent]

I see I see. Where do you live? I can have a look

[sudden portal]

Do Philippines it works so well for me

[viscid torrent]

I see, what are some big sites / stores where you can buy?

[sudden portal]

A tech store my friend can get it for me but could u check online?

I don’t no much stores there but it’s one called tech something

[viscid torrent]

I have no clue where to start looking for philippines stuff, but I'll try my best

What's your budget btw? @sudden portal

[sudden portal]

My budget is 1 thousand for a pc and monitor maybe try amazon?

Acer Nitro V Gaming Laptop | Intel Core i9-13900H Processor | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Laptop GPU | 15.6" FHD IPS 144Hz Display | 16GB DDR5 | 512GB Gen 4 SSD | WiFi 6 | Backlit KB | ANV15-51-99DR

[viscid torrent]

1000 usd?

[sudden portal]

Yes

[viscid torrent]

So about 60k

[sudden portal]

😬

[viscid torrent]

This one is unfortunately not good :(
It uses a very low power version of the RTX 4060

[sudden portal]

Aww man, well what’s a good pc on Amazon that’s already built?

The price doesn’t matter not to expensive tho

[viscid torrent]

Ph doesn't have Amazon though?

Or do you mean like, ordering from US amazon?

Because if that's the case then this is probably your best bet https://www.amazon.com/Predator-i7-13650HX-GeForce-Display-PHN16-71-76H5/dp/B0CX27GY7N

$200 on shipping and import though

[sudden portal]

Tysm! And btw what can I connect it with a monitor or?

[viscid torrent]

It's a laptop

It has a screen

[sudden portal]

Ya ik but I’m willing to connect it to something

[viscid torrent]

If you want a desktop pc, the internet tells me you should check physical stores in malls

And they can like build a pc for you

If you want to connect the laptop to a monitor then you can use HDMI :)

[sudden portal]

Tysm for all ur help!❤️

[viscid torrent]

If you want desktop and go to the physical mall stores and stuff, I'd say something like Ryzen 5 5600 and RTX 4060 or RX 7600 XT is what you want to look for with your budget

Or the new Intel B570 / B580 graphics cards if they have better availability

[viscid torrent]

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-the-top-rdna-4-gpu-radeon-9000-new-branding/

AMD 🤝 being confused why they can't get market share when they change their whole naming scheme on like a yearly basis

[sudden portal]

Jst to make sure this is the right laptop?

Acer Predator Helios Neo 16 Gaming Laptop | Intel Core i7-13650HX | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 | 16" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 165Hz G-SYNC Display | 16GB DDR5 | 512GB Gen 4 SSD | Killer Wi-Fi 6E | PHN16-71-76H5

[viscid torrent]

That is the laptop I sent earlier yes

[grizzled path]

hi i just got a rtx 4070 super recently and looking to get a new cpu i have the ryzen 5 5600 rn and i have a budget of 200-300 euro to spend on a cpu but would probably prefer not going over 250

[viscid torrent]

With that budget your best option would be a Ryzen 7 5700X3D

Anything else and you'd need a new motherboard and ram as well

[frosty bough]

Would this laptop be good for doing light gaming?

Acer Chromebook 516 GE Cloud Gaming Laptop with Google AI – 16.0" WQXGA 2560x1600 100% sRGB 120Hz IPS | Intel Core i5-1240P | 16GB LPDDR4X | 256GB Gen 4 SSD | Wi-Fi 6E | Chrome OS | CBG516-1H-53TD

[acoustic rose]

No

[viscid torrent]

It would not be no. ChromeOS also isn't really made for games to begin with

You can probably play stuff like Minecraft and whatnot, but anything more than that, good luck

[reef mortar]

Chromebooks are pretty much the worst option for gaming because ChromeOS can't really play more than like 5 games in the first place, just a limitation of the OS

You might be able to game through cloud streaming services, Geforce Now might work on it but there is no confirmation if Inzoi will be in GeforceNow as of now

Its made to run the play store and mobile games but NOT actual computer games

[raven palm]

Is amd 6800 xt 16gb enough?

To run Inzoi, I have that and
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6-core

[viscid torrent]

Yes

[grizzled path]

Ultimatly, You cant play inzoi if you have an intel graphics card??

Hope not, heard a developper saying it should be working on newer intel cards.

[reef mortar]

Generally no, maybe on future intel cards but i wouldnt count on being able to play with intel integrated graphics card right now

[viscid torrent]

Depends on the graphics card

I wouldn't see why a B570 or 580 wouldn't be able to run the game

[grizzled path]

fml

is i5-12450H average

[reef mortar]

But those are motherboards arent they?

But yeah if you have integrated graphics PLUS a separate graphics card you might be fine, but I'm assuming you only have intel integrated graphics and no dedicated graphics card

[reef mortar]

Yeah I think so, that is a processor though not a graphics card

[grizzled path]

Yeah, soo I wont be able to play inzoi

at all

[reef mortar]

I wouldnt count on it no :((

[viscid torrent]

No, they are not

Intel Battlemage gpu's

Arc B580 and B570

The B580 is a bit faster than the RTX 4060

[grizzled path]

mhm, well i5-12450H supports directx 12

[viscid torrent]

I assume you're talking about the integrated graphics of the 12450H, in which case, no

You won't be able to play Inzoi

Unless you enjoy gaming at 1 fps :^)

[reef mortar]

Ahh I see

[grizzled path]

ok, well best laptop gaming that could run inzoi thats not very... expensive ?

[viscid torrent]

Depends on where you live I suppose

[grizzled path]

Is it the end of the world if you have 8gb ram or you NEED atleast 12

[viscid torrent]

Bare minimum is 16 for gaming

Optimally you want to have 32

What country are you in and what is your budget? I can have a look at laptops

[viscid torrent]

finally everything has arrived

[frosty bough]

Oh my

[reef mortar]

daaamn good luck with building if you havent yet

[viscid torrent]

I built everything already yes :)

It's so quiet, I love it. During games it's like, a soft hum that just disappears in the background

In League of Legends half of the time the gpu fans aren't even spinning lol

[reef mortar]

Daaaamn that looks awesome

I love the white and pinkish

[bleak talon]

Hi everyone I am planning on giving more space to my pc I do not know if I will need to buy a 2T ssd hard disk with or without Head stink as I have a Cougar Forza 135 fan of 120mm and 3 fans that are integrated in my pc tower. it is okay or may this reach too mach temperature? Also I think you could buy a hard disk without headstink and put another you buy separately isn`t it?

[viscid torrent]

It all depends on the ssd if it needs a heatsink or not. Ones that optimally should be used with one will simply run at lower speeds if used without a heatsink. There is a chance your motherboard already has heatsinks for your ssd. Do you know what motherboard you have?

That said, most ssd's can be run without a heatsink zero issues

[bleak talon]

this is my motherboard ASUS PRIME Z790-P WIFI - Placa base Intel LGA 1700 ATX (PCIe 5.0, tres
M.2, VRM de 14+1 fases, DDR5, WIFI 6, LAN de 2,5 Gb, USB 3.2 Gen 2x2
tipo C, Thunderbolt 4, Aura Sync) Yeah it has Comprehensive cooling: Large VRM heatsinks, flexible M.2 heatsink, PCH passive heatsink, hybrid fan headers, and Fan Xpert 4 with AI Cooling II.

[viscid torrent]

Do you already have an m.2 ssd installed in it?

Since it does come with a heatsink for one of the slots

[bleak talon]

yeah Crucial P3 Plus SSD 1TB PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 SSD with some apps and the O.S

[viscid torrent]

That one doesn't necessarily need a heatsink, so if you get an ssd that does need one you can always move your current one to a different slot

But if you get an ssd that doesn't need one then you can just leave your current one as is

Also, some ssd's come with a "sticker" on it that functions as a small heatsink as well, a heat spreader

Such as the Kingston Fury Renegade

[bleak talon]

U mean like a thermal pad or soemthing?

[viscid torrent]

No

I do not

As I wrote, some SSD's come with a heat spreader instead of a heatsink. This is a thermally conductive sticker that replaces the function of a heatsink

That said, a lot of SSD's do not require a heatsink to begin with as they simply don't get that hot

A general rule of thumb, the faster an SSD the more likely it needs a heatsink or heat spreader to remain cool

But if you want to be safe, you can just order a heatsink from like Amazon or something

[tough umbra]

This looks AWESOME

[bleak talon]

thanks so much for the help

[viscid torrent]

If you want you can let me know what ssd you're interested in and I can let you know if it's smart to get a heatsink or not :)

[bleak talon]

im almost sure to buy the kingston fury renegade as is one of the best i saw

[viscid torrent]

It's super good yeah

And it comes with a small heat spreader (the sticker like thing) so you'll be good on that as well ^^

[bleak talon]

thanks so much Waffle I apreciate all the help ☺️

[viscid torrent]

<3

[bleak talon]

If anyone needs for sure if the Inzoi game will run in his/her pc this app is great and guess what Inzoi is already in the list haha https://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri-score/?minpassonly=1&rec-all=1

[viscid torrent]

No

That sucks

Whether a game runs or not is much more nuanced and not black and white based on specs

Those kind of websites are purely for generating clicks and don't really provide much

[stone harbor]

Hey! This specs will work on inzoi?
Intel Core i5-12400F
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4060
Corsair 16GB, 3200 MHz
SSD, Lexar 1T M.2 NVMe

I'm building a new PC and I want to know if these specs would be enough XD

[bleak talon]

Im planning on getting an ergonomic mouse (never usted bf) any recomends are trully apreciarse ☺️😊

[viscid torrent]

The 12400F is really not really a good purchase in 2025. 16GB ram is basically the bare minimum. The 4060 is also not really a good option with the release of Intel's new gpu's. What is your budget and what country are you buying in? I can have a look at stuff if you want :)

[viscid torrent]

I'm not really experienced with ergonomic mice. But I know the Logitech MX Vertical and Logitech Lift are really popular

[stone harbor]

I'm from Poland and my budget is around 4k zlotych (around 960$ with the case, power and PSU)

[bleak talon]

I Will take a look never used vertical ones but im sure my hands Will thank

[stone harbor]

But I can give you specs of my boyfriend PC bc we are living together and it's not very big deal on which PC it will be on, one sec

[stone harbor]

Okay, so there are the specs of my bf pc:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB GDDR6
32 GB (2x16GB) 6000MHz CL30 IRDM BLACK
WD 1TB M.2 PCIe Gen4 NVMe Black SN770

[viscid torrent]

That's very solid

That said, I'm having a look at stuff for 4k zł

Because because a 12400F and 4060 for that price is just not it :(

[stone harbor]

Yeah, his pc would be much more powerful than mine xD so I guess inzoi will be on his pc haha
But I'm curious if my pc would at least run the game XD

[stone harbor]

Oh okay thank you very much!

[viscid torrent]

Processor: https://www.morele.net/procesor-amd-ryzen-5-7500f-3-7-ghz-32-mb-oem-100-000000597-13113437/
motherboard: https://www.morele.net/plyta-glowna-asrock-b650m-h-m-2-13097380/
Memory: https://www.morele.net/pamiec-patriot-viper-venom-ddr5-32-gb-6000mhz-cl30-pvv532g600c30k-13245762/
Storage: https://www.morele.net/dysk-ssd-kingston-snv3s-1tb-m-2-2280-pci-e-x4-gen4-nvme-snv3s-1000g-13812568/
Power supply: https://www.morele.net/zasilacz-be-quiet-pure-power-12-650w-atx-3-1-bp002eu-14419483/
Cooler: https://allegro.pl/oferta/thermalright-assassin-x-120-refined-se-argb-pwm-chlodzenie-powietrzne-16888926537
Graphics card: https://www.proshop.pl/Karta-graficzna/Sparkle-Arc-B580-Guardian-12GB-GDDR6-RAM-Karta-graficzna/3328314
Case: https://www.proshop.pl/Obudowa-komputerowa/Montech-Air-100-ARGB-Black-Obudowa-komputerowa-Minitower-Czarny/3198702

[stone harbor]

Oh wow haha

I'll look at it, thank you very much! 🥰🥰

[viscid torrent]

^^

[stone harbor]

Actually

It looks sooo good

I'll tell my bf in the morning about this haha

Thank you very very much ❤️😍💖 I really appreciate it 😊

[viscid torrent]

Always happy to help <3

[obtuse mountain]

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz 2.81 GHz
Installed RAM 32.0 GB

would my processor be able to run inzoi?

[viscid torrent]

Yes
Will it be a good experience? No

[obtuse mountain]

why not?

I'm so confused

@viscid torrent

[viscid torrent]

It doesn't meet the minimum requirements and is a rather slow and old cpu

It will run the game most likely. It however probably won't run it very well

[obtuse mountain]

oh

[slow oxide]

boost clock for that is up to 4ghz (granted you provide good cooling), so you should be pretty okay using low-med crowd density (talking from my TS4 experiences, and is speculative)

it being 6C/6T will struggle a bit with sim speed though

[viscid torrent]

Clock speeds don't really say anything. Like an AMD FX-8320 boosts to 4Ghz as well

A current generation processor at 4ghz will be so so much faster than older processors at 4ghz due to completely different architectures and generational improvements

The 8400 is probably going to struggle, because the 4ghz it can do is just slow compared to a modern cpu at 4ghz

It's over 7 years old, a 5 year old i3 is already faster than it

All that said though. Can always just try it out to see how it performs. But it is best to like have low expectations of it :P

[slow oxide]

Mind you that the FX also holds few world record spots for some the highest clock speed for CPUs 🤣

of course those are done using liquid nitrogen which is mega silly for everyday use

Heres one from CPU-Z

[viscid torrent]

8ghz and still slower than a hamster wheel

[slow oxide]

Well it is AMD’s dark ages at the time, so yeahhh they were wilding back in the days

[viscid torrent]

The darkest of days :P

[slow oxide]

to the point they were putting HBM(datacenter-grade) VRAM onto their Radeon cards

which would gobsmack even today’s RTX cards for VRAM

[viscid torrent]

But yeah, the i5-8400 is pretty damn old by now and it's not really what you would say fast. Like, it'll most definitively run Inzoi, it will just struggle a lot though most likely due to it being old and anything but fast in todays standards

I'm sad HBM didn't really take off for consumer gpu's :(

But apparently it was just too expensive and yields too low?

[slow oxide]

yeahh that 1024bit bus is mega juicy for today’s need

[slow oxide]

the Vega and VII were like x900XT prices at the time

so expensive but not by much

[viscid torrent]

I hope the 9070 XT does well, AMD deserves it. But it's not looking good so far :(

[slow oxide]

yeahh Radeon’s naming scheme is gonna send people to the stratosphere at this point

[viscid torrent]

FSR4 is looking pretty good though and able to compete with DLSS3, just a shame that DLSS4 is just around the corner

[slow oxide]

but at least there’s that neural gen venture AMD has with DirectX, and that’ll be available for almost every card

[viscid torrent]

The problem is that so far all signs are pointing to FSR4 being RX 9000 exclusive

[slow oxide]

Intel’s gonna have to step up from the B580 if they gonna start waking AMD’s butt

[viscid torrent]

So FSR3 is the best other people will still get, which is just oof

I hope FSR4 becomes available for all cards, but we'll just have to wait and see

[slow oxide]

or there will be a 3.5 type coz the PS5 pro is a half-bred RDNA 3/4 chip

[viscid torrent]

If FSR4 is 9000 exclusive it's probably just over for AMD, with DLSS4 becoming available for every single RTX card

[slow oxide]

I’m more worried about the ACE thing Kjun was showcasing, knowing Nvidia it’ll probably be a 50-series exclusive

[viscid torrent]

It most likely is

Maybe it'll be for 40 series as well

[slow oxide]

and so much for shoving NPUs in laptops I guess 🗿

[viscid torrent]

But I can definitively see it be a 50 series exclusive thing

Due to how AI heavy it is

[slow oxide]

I’m hoping there’s some madlad crazy enough to make a ZLUDA-esque bypass to make ACE work for other cards

currently works wonders for me in Linux doing AI stuff with my radeon card

[viscid torrent]

Here I was thinking I would finally escape the clutches of Nvidia and return to AMD again, but each day that passes that future grows less likely :P

[slow oxide]

That, and game devs being more lazier at building games properly would make the AI crutches an actual requirement

[viscid torrent]

Well, like it or not but AI is going to be the future of graphics

[slow oxide]

because we’ve seen some very well performing UE5 titles out there (Infinity Nikki, Satisfactory, etc)

[viscid torrent]

Because why invest tons of money into minor raw performance increases when you can get like double or triple the gains from investing all that money into AI optimizations instead

[slow oxide]

tried AFMF and it’s okay for single player slow action stuff, but for face paced stuff it’s a hell naw for me coz of the input lag it brings

[viscid torrent]

Give it a couple of years and they've probably gotten rid of the input lag

Just like how DLSS1 upscaling looked awful

[slow oxide]

oh yeah the early DLSS days were mega bad

[viscid torrent]

Current DLSS upscaling in most games looks fine

And DLSS4 from what has been shown so far looks good

[slow oxide]

XeSS looks pretty good as well for me

[viscid torrent]

So the frame gen, when they keep updating it and improving it will eventually be almost unnoticeable is my guess

[slow oxide]

But it’ll probably still have a minimum base frame rate requirement

coz generating 60 gen fps from 20 base fps is kinda hard

[viscid torrent]

For now yes, but I can see it being doable and working well sometime in the future

Be it next year or in 5 years, who knows

I will however gladly await the reviews of the 50 series to see how the new multi frame gen is. As so far in single player games people who got to try it all said it felt fine

[obtuse mountain]

So I shouldn't have any problems?

[viscid torrent]

Depends on what you see as problems

But it will most likely struggle with the game

[limpid helm]

I have a question, I bought my pc brand new, but whenever I try to play games I can’t they always freeze my whole computer and they don’t load/ stuck on loading screen

I updated my drivers, closed tabs before opening the game, uninstalled them etc but still

Does anyone know why? I would appreciate it

[viscid torrent]

Every single game? Fresh install of windows as well?

[limpid helm]

Yea every game even Roblox doesn’t work it stays in a white screen

[viscid torrent]

It's a clean install of windows as well?

[limpid helm]

Yes

[viscid torrent]

Is it a pre-built or did you build it yourself?

[limpid helm]

One of my friends that builds pcs did it

Everything works fine, is just the games

[viscid torrent]

Maybe have your friend look at it

[south pine]

Do you guys think HP Pavilion gaming PC will run it

[viscid torrent]

All depends on whats inside of it

[limpid helm]

I got the Radeon RX 7600XT graphics

Amd ryzen 7 7700X

[south pine]

Nividia geforce GTX 1650 SUPER graphics
64-bit operating system system type
AMD Ryzen 5 3500 6-core processor
Unknown ram
Thoughts?

[viscid torrent]

Cpu isn't great but should be fine

Gpu is just not it

You're not really going to have a good time with that

The gpu is pretty far below the minimum requirements

If you already have that pc then it's going to be rough as like, HP, Dell, etc prebuilds are rather difficult to upgrade most of the time

If you don't have it and were looking at buying it, don't

[south pine]

I already have the pc it was bought for me for Christmas

[viscid torrent]

Well, it's most likely not really going to be able to run Inzoi properly. And from what google tells me it's not really upgradable as HP decided to use proprietary components

So yeah, unfortunately you probably won't be able to play the game :(
or well, it will run, you'll just have really low fps

[normal sonnet]

will this laptop wpould run inzoi and sims 4 etc https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/victus-gaming-laptop-16-s1047nr?cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww&utm_medium=af&utm_source=cj&utm_campaign=Microsoft+Corporation&utm_content=6419502_Microsoft+Corporation_100807742&cjevent=4e59e37ad02a11ef807a00820a82b824&subacctname=Microsoft+Corporation

[viscid torrent]

Yes, should you buy though, probably no, that's really expensive for what it is

[normal sonnet]

whats a really great or better one that would run both games

[viscid torrent]

~~https://www.bestbuy.com/site/gigabyte-g6-kf-16-165hz-gaming-laptop-ips-intel-i7-13620h-with-32gb-ram-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-1tb-ssd-black/6576659.p?skuId=6576659~~

This would perform pretty similar, but it has more memory and it's a much better price

If you want something faster for the same price as that HP one, then this is an interesting option ~~https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-tuf-15-6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-with-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-1tb-ssd-mecha-grey/6573673.p?skuId=6573673~~

[normal sonnet]

oh both look good

which of the 2 its better or looks better to get