off-topic-chat

[sage fern]

The game is not built to last

Max 10 years

[marble nebula]

its just that i dont get why the paralives team is literally shooting themselves in the foot

[verbal gulch]

10 years is pretty good for a game ngl

[sage fern]

For a life sim game with barely any updates... idk

[marble nebula]

they couldnt have made a worse AMA

[deep viper]

I still haven’t looked over it yet.

[marble nebula]

if they dont change their direction i dont see it lasting more than 2years

[verbal gulch]

Ah they'll get updates when they fix the bugs in like 2 years time

[sage fern]

Pretty good for modders game spaxe

U know now i wonder....why do we support indie game unconditionally

[leaden plume]

Damn must have a rich mommy and daddy then

[verbal gulch]

Jarus was saying she wants to mod for Para but since its all on the workshop only, anyone can steal mods and state its their own 😅

[leaden plume]

The most i would get as a kid was 3$ pirated CDs and that's if I was good at the dentist

[deep viper]

Literally just had this conversation with my husband.

[marble nebula]

Tdlr is they dont wanna hire more people, but here is the 2years roadmap:

• ⁠Weather and seasons
• ⁠Calendar
• ⁠Family tree
• ⁠Dogs, cats and horses
• ⁠Cars and bikes
• ⁠Boats and houseboats
• ⁠Swimming
• ⁠Story progression for NPCs
• ⁠Gardening and fishing
• ⁠Organizing social events (parties, weddings)
• ⁠Calling Paras over the phone and chatting online
• ⁠Tools to edit and create towns
• ⁠More personality traits, wants, emotions, jobs, etc

And no multitasking will be added in the game

[thin coyote]

Maybe they used the money to create something else… I definitely don’t buy the whole “we’re not going to have paid DLCs because we want everyone to enjoy the game” thing.

[deep viper]

No multitasking ever, huh?

[sage fern]

They can fix that quickly no?

[verbal gulch]

Workshop only so I doubt it

[marble nebula]

like it took them 7 years to make a barely functional game, how are they gonna implement all this while fixing 100k bugs

[verbal gulch]

They really missing out on the biggest market (Console)

[marble nebula]

oh yeah no console support asw

[verbal gulch]

Bugs to be all fixed before Q4 according to the roadmap they published

[marble nebula]

they revealed in the AMA that theyre not really planning to add anything else after the full release of the game in 2 years

[deep viper]

I kind of figured as much.

[marble nebula]

no new town as well

[verbal gulch]

Wait I thought they where releasing free DLC no?

[marble nebula]

its such a missed opportunity idk

[thin coyote]

WOW!It feels like they don’t have any vision… why did they even make the game anyway?

[marble nebula]

its the 2years roadmap

[ruby nacelle]

Bradakinz sandwich

[marble nebula]

so pets, weather, etc

[verbal gulch]

Broken chicken!

[verbal gulch]

So no new stuff at all after 2 years?

[ruby nacelle]

[marble nebula]

for now thats the plan yeah

[thin coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-17258096266802987535

[verbal gulch]

How strange lol I'm sure that'll change unless the team disbands 👀

[ruby nacelle]

Who we talking about here

[marble nebula]

i hope that will change bc damn thats a huge disappointment

[vale zealot]

.How dare you insult indie developers

[verbal gulch]

Inzoi: 20 years worth of content!
Para's: I dunno, maybe 2 years worth?

[ruby nacelle]

Paralives ?

Why is this reminding me of that scam game called paradise

[verbal gulch]

Oh that was a whole different story lol

[ruby nacelle]

I hope they don’t leave paralives in an abandoned state

[thin coyote]

Maybe they’ll improve the personalities, relationships, and jobs enough that players will have plenty of things to do? I don't know...

[marble nebula]

i was rlly not expecting this kind of direction from them

[verbal gulch]

Hey, If I got millions for an EA game, I'd do a runner too lol

[ruby nacelle]

Paralives feels like a cash grab at this point

They can legally get away with it to since the game is marked as ea

[verbal gulch]

Nah they're probably just burnt out from making one single game for the past 10 years lol

[ruby nacelle]

Iv been working on a game for 2.5 years and only at the blockout phase

[warped hound]

From what I can see, Paralives doesn't intend to be live service with continuous updates like inZOI and Sims. Could that be a good thing or a bad thing? Only depends on how the player sees it to be fair.
They're not even trying to compete with either of the games.

A "forever game" from an indie studio is too much to ask for anyways

[marble nebula]

im okay with it not being live service but the part that rubs me the wrong way is them refusing to get experienced devs to fix the game and make sure its fully fleshed out before it releases

[verbal gulch]

True, Peak did the samething, they stated they're not a live service game and some fans lost it ahaha

[sage fern]

What answer did u guys come to?

[ruby nacelle]

My game won’t be live service since I only have a team of 3 people

[warped hound]

It was released in Early Access not as a full release, and it's not like they are trying to ignore bugs, they literally have a channel with all known bugs.
Why would they want everyone to know the existing bugs if they wanted to not bother with them?

[ruby nacelle]

But that might change

[verbal gulch]

What game ya makinggg?

[ruby nacelle]

Horror sc fi

[deep viper]

That the most important part is the game itself. And that indie devs aren’t exempt from being all about the money just because they’re indie.

[ruby nacelle]

I’m working on the multiplayer side of the game at the same time with the main

[verbal gulch]

OOOO I like both those things, can't believe you're making an "Aliens" game 😮

[marble nebula]

i know its in EA, the full release is in 2years. Im saying theyre either way too ambitious or a bit greedy, 15 ppl (all non experienced devs) to fix 100k bugs and commit to a lengthy 2 year roadmap?

[ruby nacelle]

I’m going to try and get a demo out at the end of 2026 or Q2 2027

[verbal gulch]

Make a discord too! 😄

[deep viper]

That if a project is good, it’s worth supporting. But it’s important to evaluate it as a whole.

[warped hound]

Not sure about the other devs, but the lead is definitely quite experienced, you can even check his portfolio

[ruby nacelle]

Sometimes I question my own life choices

[river frigate]

Whatt lmao

[sage fern]

Exactly

[marble nebula]

its still way too ambitious for such a small team lol, and by experienced i mean someone who also worked on life sims before

[ruby nacelle]

Hello aaa

[river frigate]

Who said that? I'm sure they'll release more stuff after the roadmap

[river frigate]

Hi 😃

[warped hound]

I don't know, does that mean every team which develops a new life sim game should have experience by working in sims or inzoi?

[marble nebula]

the paralives team during their AMA, its still subject to change but thats the current stance

[river frigate]

Wow, I don't understand why they would even say smth like that lol

[warped hound]

A lot of studios and people can and do get into different genres

[river frigate]

Even if it's what they're planning

[marble nebula]

they should have people down the line who have experience with this genre yes

[sage fern]

How often, what quality, and based on what observational data

[warped hound]

Okay so just because someone couldn't get employed by EA for sims, they should never even try making their own life sims game then, noted

[river frigate]

girl idk 😭 we have no precedent with them to go off yet which is why I think it doesn't make sense to look so far in to the future

[marble nebula]

what? are you dense? I mean when you get sufficient funds, its best to hire people who’ve worked before in the same industry. Thats the same thing with every big projects, not just in gaming

[river frigate]

sheesh

[marble nebula]

key word ‘hiring’

[river frigate]

Ew this bronze is worse than the lvl 1 color 😭

[reef vine]

finished my first and hopefully only para hair lmao
it was hard

i finally added hat states

[river frigate]

Did you have to use blender or smth like that?

[reef vine]

yesss

[sage fern]

I seee so keep my money if im not suee

[river frigate]

im so scared of blender

[reef vine]

holy crap SOMEBODY MADE A TIPSY MOD

[warped hound]

Again, it's a frickin indie studio bud, it's only been less than a week bro, at least wait a months to see how this plays how.
Keep your insults to yourself lol

[marble nebula]

but anyways im not gonna argue over the fact that a 15 ppl team is way too small to fix all the bugs and implement new content in 2 years

[sage fern]

Unless i wish to do charity

[river frigate]

Ofcc that's what I did for inzoi since it was simply not looking great at launch and now I'm having quite a bit of fun in the few hours ive had to play lol

[marble nebula]

theyve made millions, they can hire more people lol.

[warped hound]

Pretty sure hiring isn't as easy as it seems. Especially considering how expensive it will be to hire someone who has worked at Sims of all things

[river frigate]

Some people like the ea experience, others prefer a bit more polished but can still take some bugs and others would just prefer to buy after full release

[marble nebula]

i literally quoted them, theyre not planning on hiring

[mental light]

They did say they are going to expand a little bit but they prefer a small team 😌💕 I do think they’ll end up hiring more than they think though when even more bug requests come in x

[marble nebula]

the sims isnt the only life sim there is

btw

[thin coyote]

Having an opinion doesn’t mean you’re insulting anyone.

[river frigate]

Are they an American or European team? 👀

[warped hound]

I'm not sure if you read the "are you dense" part

[reef vine]

Canadian I think?

[warped hound]

Or ignored it entirely lol

[marble nebula]

yeah i apologize for that i just hate repeating myself

[sage fern]

People should definitely like what they like. But don't start judging me for not wanting to support an indie game, calling it cruel and saying "wait, it has potential" with no logic behind it.

[mental light]

💕 they are based in Canada xx

[river frigate]

Huh I didn't say any of those things

[reef vine]

im confused 😭

[sage fern]

No im saying thats what the fas have been saying even on thia discord

[river frigate]

Oh fair enough

[reef vine]

18 hours and ive only done mods and paramaker lmao

And i only made 2 paras 🤣

[warped hound]

Keeping a smaller team can also be beneficial when it comes to concise communication between each other

[river frigate]

I hope they grow the team quite a bit because they have a lot of space before running into problems I feel

[reef vine]

i can see both angles

pros n cons basically

[marble nebula]

same, the game has potential, idont want them to ruin it with bad decisions

[river frigate]

I feel that working in a tiny team with a heavy workload really creates a lot of friction and pressure

[marble nebula]

id say they should double the team

[river frigate]

And they definitely have their work cut out for them now

[marble nebula]

at the very least

[river frigate]

Same if not more

[mental light]

Agreed, they have also stated numerous times they are not money hungry and just want to make a game they love and want to play, and that the money they make off the game with sustain the team wages (and a few more) for a bit of time. If they add even more workers they may not have the same feelings and may be in it entirely for the money x

[warped hound]

All I'm trying to say is, this is way too early to judge.

Have you ever heard of Hello Games and their game No Man's Sky, they to this days only have somewhere around 50 employees. 15 isn't very little for Paralives in such case either

[river frigate]

i think that there would likely be quite a substantial pool of candidates to work on the game, and I'm sure more than a few would be very passionate rather than in it for the money

[reef vine]

15 seems tiny compared 👀

[river frigate]

that game had a generational comeback right

[marble nebula]

50 employees is a very decent number, that was abt the size of inzoi team before EA (now theyre 100). I think the paralives team should at least be 30 if they want to maintain the game and update it consistently

[warped hound]

You're missing the point I'm trying to make, No Man's Sky was (and still is) very popular, it's been 10 yeays since release

[reef vine]

i know that xD

[marble nebula]

yeah but 50 is a good number

15 isnt for the scale of paralives

[warped hound]

50 employees for such a huge project like NMS (not to mention their upcoming game) isn't a lot either

And they released the game for AAA price at the time

[reef vine]

but its more than 15!

[sage fern]

50 is not 15...

And thats not even a life sim

[thin coyote]

I know it’s still very early to judge, but I’m judging based on what they’re saying right now.

[warped hound]

Literally, you're missing the point I'm tryna make 💀 The scope of the game

[sage fern]

Though an incredibly vast world

[marble nebula]

a life sim is a huge project as well

in their AMA it feels like theyre gonna at best hire 2-3 more ppl

but we’ll see

[sage fern]

What's the point? I'll hear you out, all ears, to be honest. I want to know where the hope you have for Paralives comes from.

[reef vine]

anyone heard of the game new day, iirc it has a tiny team

Para kinda gives me the new day vibe lol

[warped hound]

Thing is, during No Man's Sky launch, Hello Games only had 10 employees (if my sources are correct). Was NMS a chaos upon launch? Yes, absolutely, but they slowly but surely hired more and more people, and they now consist of 50 employees.

That was close to 10 years ago - No Man's Sky will be 10 years old this august

Hello Games too was and still is an indie studio

Their game was so much of a chaos, yet they resolved pretty much every issue with the game too

[cunning jacinth]

Sean Murray lied so hard for a while until he made it truth

[marble nebula]

Yeah so we’re actually agreeing on the same thing, the paralives team needs to hire a lot more people if they want the game to succeed, much like NMS

[cunning jacinth]

they did actually increase staff from like 15 to 50

[warped hound]

My point again, it's too early for this. It's not even been a month in - need to see how it goes

[thin coyote]

That doesn’t mean the Para devs will do the same ..it’s still too early to know what they’ll do in the future

[warped hound]

Exactly, and we haven't even crossed a month mark yet

[deep viper]

Right, and it sounds as though the Para team doesn’t have plans to increase it by much. We can only go off of what they’ve said themselves.

[marble nebula]

I was saying this bc of what they said in the AMA btw, im not saying they should hire them NOW

[mental light]

We’re all agreeing with each other 🙌🏻😅

It’s a small team
They need to expand
They will just need to find the right people
Life sims is hard to make
They have passion
Players just need hope

That’s all 🙌🏻

[thin coyote]

No I mean they might not do the same as Hello games

[warped hound]

If they can manage the game on their own they don't need to hire more and more people. It's not always "the more the merrier", numbers look great on paper sure

[warped hound]

Hopefully, yeah

[sage fern]

Awesome, so they increased between 40-50 players from 2018-2026.

They had a resurgence of players after increasing their team and updates are yearly.

[mental light]

Off topic to this off topic but I wish inZOI had more regular content creators especially twitch streamers etc

[marble nebula]

oh boy.. yes they absolutely need more people bc we already know what theyre capable of in 7 years. Their team as it is wont be enough to maintain the game and the updates for the 2years of early access

[reef vine]

inzoi belongs in #inzoi-chat lol

[sage fern]

So Paralives cant stay 15 if it wants to be that big no?

[river frigate]

yeah 😭

[warped hound]

Give it a month, then let's see how it goes lol

Even I'll be complaining if they don't fix current bugs in a month

[river frigate]

this is a pointless discussion until then i agree

[marble nebula]

i mean yeah im gonna wait and see

[mental light]

No one wants to chat in there😔

[sage fern]

Im sure modders will fix all that. I also think plauers will stay for a year

[marble nebula]

im just saying its a bit concerning

[mental light]

🤣🤣

[thin coyote]

I was thinking yesterday that simulation games might be the hardest games to create..

[sage fern]

At least

[river frigate]

In my opinion yes

The most moving parts and potential for conflict

[reef vine]

i feel like sims has set a very high bar...well earlier sims

[thin coyote]

I think no

[deep viper]

Yeah, I think there’s definitely a reason why we haven’t seen a lot of full on life sims enter the arena.

[sage fern]

Life simulations are hard but an mmo?

Even harder

[warped hound]

They had 40 employees by 2018?

[marble nebula]

if they stay 15, the game will die

[sage fern]

Yup thats what i got from reserching

[reef vine]

here we go again lmao

[warped hound]

Can you give some links?

[sage fern]

Sec

[thin coyote]

Yes, and creating unique walk styles, voices, faces, and behaviors it’s a lot… honestly, it’s too much.

[reef vine]

ive seen 'dead game' one too many times lol on like every game ever

[river frigate]

to me the hard part abt mmos is sustainable monetisation

WITHOUT being an egregious cash grab

[warped hound]

I misread your message lmao

[marble nebula]

life sims are extremely complex to dev

[river frigate]

i dont see why development would be harder than life sims, maintenance probably

[warped hound]

I didn't read the "not" bruh

But yeah, let's hope they do put good effort into the game

[cunning jacinth]

complexity

[river frigate]

idk much about mmos tbh the only mmo i played was this game called lost ark

[marble nebula]

just look at multitasking, it was definitely taken for granted when TS4 implemented it, it took months for inzoi to get there

[river frigate]

run by amazon games into the ground

[thin coyote]

It’s not like other games where the character has specific movements.

[thin coyote]

yeah that one I heard it is very difficult

[deep viper]

And also think about how much stuff around the world needs to be interacted with. How many systems have to work together, needs, socialization, etc.

[warped hound]

They might even have more employees by now, since it was 50 back in 2023

[warped hound]

Unless it's a subscription based mmo (think FFXIV or WoW) or filled with microtransactions (think Black Desert online)

Getting people into may always be difficult

[marble nebula]

usually they go the microtransactions route yeah

[warped hound]

FFXIV was hit because FF has always been popular

[marble nebula]

and now theres gachas too

[river frigate]

yeah in my eyes those are egregious cash grabs

i hate that

[warped hound]

Yeah, see that a lot tbh

[warped hound]

subscriptions are tolerable if done right and you get the money worth

In fact, it's probably the most sustainable model

But you also need to make sure your game is a hit

[sage fern]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/8tpr0z/deleted_by_user/?utm - estimated 20 ish

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/o4ohpw/supporting_no_mans_sky_as_made_indie_studio_hello/?utm - also had a bigger budget to play with than Paralives

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/1bsbhdm/how_does_hello_games_stay_profitable/?utm

Cant find the source for lhe 2023 - 26 update

Because it's on LinkedIn, and for some reason, LinkedIn is asking me to go to my old phone, which I have no access to. But I'm sure you can look it up yourself.

[warped hound]

I don't think people are gonna subscribe to a new IP from a new studio which they've never heard of

[warped hound]

So I assume from 10 in 2016 to 20 in 2018

Also yeah, Hello Games were backed by Playstation too

[sage fern]

Yup and between fhen - 2026

50 people jump

Thags not counting the fact

They made about 78 million in the first month.

[warped hound]

Says 70

[warped hound]

Yeah, the game was quite overblown initially

So kinda makes sense tbh

Sean even was on live tv

Pre-release that is, for his game

Marketing was mostly handled by Sony

[sage fern]

Op I didnt even know that damn

[sage fern]

Yeah so they had some boost

[warped hound]

I mean you can see when compared to Paralives lol

[sage fern]

I cant really compare their sucess that wojld be hella unfair pf a standard

[warped hound]

Their budget is way smaller than NMS, and they have 15 rn.

[warped hound]

Mainly talking about employee though

[sage fern]

Its not been a month so i guess the amount of sales wiuld be important

[warped hound]

15 isn't "very little" if compared with NMS's initial launch

I think NMS was also a way bigger disaster upon launch than paralives

But yeah, when mainly talking about employees and budget, I think it's not hard to say that it's not a very little team either

[sage fern]

It's been 7 years and i expected more i guess from a team of 15 donatjons included (also playing Grounded, another indie game, so i am distracted).

A lot of the other projects had no backing to get to this point.

[warped hound]

That I very much agree with to be fair, the patreon thing and 7 frickin years

[thin coyote]

@warped hound Earlier you mentioned that Hello games started with a small studio, but Para is trying to build a simulation game, which is considered very difficult. Even big companies with 100 employees and more struggle to create a simulation game and para will succeed with 15 people only?

[warped hound]

I am very much willing to discount it though, because in my eyes the game hasn't been out for more than a week at this point

[sage fern]

And if 7 years with 15 teams is this, not to mention other ways of getting money and partnerships, I wonder... what do I receive in (let's be generous) a year (even No Man's Sky had yearly big updates)?

Hence why my theory of rely on modders is whats popping in my head

[marble nebula]

i think 15 ppl was okayish until now, not all these 15 ppl are devs btw (ik 1 is more marketing oriented, 2 artists, and idk the rest) but to maintain the game they will need more ppl for sure

[warped hound]

I never claimed they will succeed, although to be fair their roadmap is also nothing to write about,

[ruby nacelle]

[marble nebula]

they also only have one QA person so rn the playerbase is playtesting

[ruby nacelle]

a wild feral has appeard

[river frigate]

exactlyyy

[sage fern]

Windows pn curved walls has been on experiment since 2014

[river frigate]

it's not 15 devs.

[thin coyote]

I think you said they could stay at only 15 people and still be okay… maybe I misread.

[ruby nacelle]

My breakfast

[river frigate]

nice berries

covered because of summer BUGS i take it?

[ruby nacelle]

ya

[river frigate]

i hate them

[ruby nacelle]

and stored in frige bc of heat

[river frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-kitten-angry-mad-gif-16754054616247640902

[ruby nacelle]

Grapes to

[warped hound]

Also the team is quite small, and they don't absolutely need more employees, at least currently. I think Paralives has a very limited scope compared to the likes of Sims and inZOI. So maybe it's achievable. It's a lot more about how talented developers are.

[thin coyote]

One reason I hate summer is the bugs -.-

[warped hound]

Yeah I believe I did

[river frigate]

im so bored i am the only person in the entire office today

[marble nebula]

as a QA engineer myself this is NOT ideal at all, idt the players really mind but it makes development a lot harder and it slows it down considerably

[warped hound]

Paralives isn't trying to surpass inZOI or Sims, they are trying to just create a unique life sim

[sage fern]

I think people forget life sims are a very small niche compared to other games where you can adventure, build, craft, and play with friends... whixh is more open to diverse people than a sim game

[river frigate]

Noooo the only other person is this lady i hate

[thin coyote]

OMG, same, but since Monday is a holiday and everyone took the day off.

[ruby nacelle]

@warped hound ill send you a development build copy to test if you want lol

[warped hound]

Absolutely

[warped hound]

OH WAIT SHIT I FORGOT TO REPLY TO YOUR PREVIOUS MESSAGES

[ruby nacelle]

[warped hound]

😭

[ruby nacelle]

its ok

[warped hound]

gotta prep that NDA

[ruby nacelle]

i will

[marble nebula]

and to do so theyre gonna need realistic goals and the right amount of resources

[warped hound]

😔

[reef vine]

Should I make my selfpara lmao or actually play

[ruby nacelle]

lets say the game can run on a GTX 1650

[reef vine]

or sleep even...

i have 2 paras + a pollination tech i downloaded XD

[warped hound]

I dunno. But I'll always be willing to support an indie studio over a AAA

[deep viper]

Selfpara!

[reef vine]

i might lol

[sage fern]

Why?

[warped hound]

Indie studios are the one who actually need support - AAA don't, they have near infinite money xD

So obviously

[sage fern]

So charity?

[ruby nacelle]

feral i faked rtx in my game for older hardware using SS

[warped hound]

What is that supposed to mean 😭

[sage fern]

I mean its charity they need help so u help them

[warped hound]

How is spending money on a indie game charity?

[sage fern]

Its like rich people sponsoring a broke kid to goto uni and studh hopefully profit and give back

[warped hound]

I genuinely don't understand this mindset 💀

[deep viper]

I support AAA titles that I care about. Especially if they have a good and passionate dev team.

[sage fern]

A form of charity. I'm investing in your potential.

[warped hound]

Although, yeah, rich people shouldn't even exist at all

[reef vine]

💀

[sage fern]

Woah chill

[thin coyote]

what? lol

[warped hound]

🙏🏻

[reef vine]

alllright i think im gonna take my leave
this is going places

[warped hound]

I said what I said 😭

[sage fern]

By ur logic No man sky should go its rich now

[ruby nacelle]

@reef vine this place always goes places

[marble nebula]

its a thing to say billionaires shouldnt be a thing but rich ppl all together?

[sage fern]

Anyone who becomes rich disappears...

I wanna be rich bruhv

[warped hound]

I said "rich people"

[warped hound]

Thing is, when there's equality, there's no rich or poor

[sage fern]

Idk about u i want a 5 bedroom mansion

[river frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-popcorn-movie-thief-gif-5570598759735802757

[river frigate]

I don't think there should be total equality. Nobody would gaf to do anything they don't have to if that was the case. We would never have anything better than what already exists

[warped hound]

So you can be "rich" but that doesn't mean others are gonna be "poor" either

[marble nebula]

equality is a utopia that can never exist, equity can though

[river frigate]

I do think we shouldn't let a small group of people own EVERYTHING at the expense of everyone else

[sage fern]

That's too much of an idealistic way of thinking people should live. If that were the case, there would be an example of such a utopia today.

[thin coyote]

Equality doesn’t come from the rich disappearing. It comes when everyone starts respecting each other.

[sage fern]

Hierarchy will be needed wherever you go.

[river frigate]

A utopia is a paradox anyways

We find problems in everything

[warped hound]

It absolutely can, if for example you don't get forced to stop from achieving it cough usa

[marble nebula]

equality is impossible bc we’re not born equal

[warped hound]

Respect doesn't do a thing, when you're economically below others

[marble nebula]

youre thinking of equity

[warped hound]

What do you think equality means then?

[sage fern]

I'll give you an example.

Do you think I should be paid the same as a leader of a massive project to the people who work under me

[sage fern]

Equity is the best

[marble nebula]

giving the same resources and opportunities to everyone, but if we’re not born the same then its not equal

[sage fern]

We can never be equal

[warped hound]

Apparently, the leader should be democratically elected by the workers, also yes.

[wary jetty]

y'all are sorta going over my head rn🫣 , but isn’t politics kinda off-limits, even in off-topic?

[marble nebula]

its more philosophical than political

[river frigate]

This isn't explicitly political in my opinion

Yeah

[warped hound]

made a typo there

[warped hound]

shit meant to reply to MY message

[ruby nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[wary jetty]

I might have

[warped hound]

No I was referring to my own message 😭

[river frigate]

isn't equity like owning shares in a company 😭

[wary jetty]

all g I do it all the time

[warped hound]

Equality can have multiple definitions I guess(?)
When human rights activists ask for equality, they ask for same treatment for the minority groups as others

[sage fern]

If i started the project and hired the workers i will pay the workers the money for handling it.

However, people are greedy and greed is not just shown in the rich its just more evident than with the poor.

[marble nebula]

equity in the philosophical sense is acknowledging the differences ppl can have and allocating the exact resources needed to reach the same outcome

[river frigate]

Eeeeeeh

[ruby nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/sadcat-gif-6770984209275368356

[sage fern]

Equality means giving everyone the same resources or treatment, regardless of their situation.

Equity means giving people different levels of support depending on what they need to reach a fair outcome.

[river frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/water-car-cat-meme-cat-gif-10555027962273056371

[marble nebula]

in most cases what they ask for is equity. Equality is just a concept everyone understands

[normal schooner]

What did I come into, oh boy 😅

[river frigate]

Water car

[normal schooner]

Oh, I decided to give Paralives another chance

[river frigate]

Are you having a slightly better experience?

I don't think they did many fixes yet but I think they did a few

[sage fern]

The indie game you are supporting gives fewer jobs to people than the "rich" triple-A games, by the way.

[normal schooner]

I’m just now downloading the game again. I’ll update my experience later! I was watching a streamer though in the meantime. It seemed to be better than before

[river frigate]

Oh yeahhh that's where this debate started

[warped hound]

Depends on the field I suppose 🤔
If it's a perfect utopia, you could start your own game studio, and have your workers receive fair and balanced pay, although not the same as yourself

[sage fern]

I mean barely a week for tiny team anyways

[river frigate]

I think this is a very moot point because most of the value created by inzoi devs is being funnelled upwards whereas there is simply no upwards in paralives

And indie games in general

[sage fern]

So it's not possible. And the profit is to grow and stays with the leader of the game.

For indie games, they will eventually become the so-called "rich" you dislike. Isn't the point of supporting them for them to succeed?

[marble nebula]

ill download paralives once i get some more reassurance from the devs, that AMA was not it

[sage fern]

Moot?

No one acknowledges the so-called "small workers" of a triple-A game because a big company is on it. That's unfair.

[warped hound]

At some point in a perfect utopia no one will have monopoly or duopoly or whatever, if someone reaches the threshold they will be regulated accordingly

Including breaking apart the company into multiple smaller ones

[sage fern]

Yes but we live in a world where thats not a thing and will never be a thing

History always repeats itself

In big or small ways

[warped hound]

Like I said what it will be like in a "perfect world"

But western imperial powers don't want it sooo

[sage fern]

Its not western imperial. This is world wide

In different formats

And its called being human

Stupid idiot self centered humans

With ranges of care and love in between.

[warped hound]

Do you think a better form of economical system hasn't been attempted before?
I assume you think they always "failed because it never worked out"

It was always when western imperial powers interfered

History does repeat itself, yes. When the world super power wants to control you.

[sage fern]

I mean, did it not? The systems we hold onto today speak volumes in and of themselves.

And the world superpowers will always be in control. It does not matter if you take one off and put another in its place.

[warped hound]

In all honesty, you are giving doomer vibes, where "the system is already fricked, it cannot be fixed, so let's just give up and give in to the system"

If we applied the same logic in all of history, we won't have basic human rights, including voting rights for black people and women

[warped hound]

I think I agree on that!

[wary jetty]

I think what makes the world beautifully diverse is that we all see things differently, and maybe it’s best to leave it at that.

[marble nebula]

i absolutely agree

[sage fern]

Oh, 70% yes and no.
I don't think you are wrong to wish for equity or equality.

But you are targeting the wrong things and asking for sunshine and rainbows without acknowledging the actual doom of man.

Whatever is good, we will turn it bad somehow, whether it's in big or small ways.

And that's fine. But we cannot dismiss a core issue of all humans while putting everyone in the bracket that you hate so much. Not all AAA game people are evil.

Not all indie game people are good. And u will never know fully either.

I am saying ill support what is fun when it comes to games it dkes not have to extend to the "bigger world" its games. And the world is not black and white.

[warped hound]

Could you point out exactly where I'm wrong and asking for "sunshine and rainbows without acknowledging the actual doom of man"?

[sage fern]

People in AAA games are also normal people. Are you saying they should all lose their jobs to make your idea of what's right right?

The utopia u speak of

[warped hound]

Where in the world did I say the people in AAA games are not normal people?

I'm not sure if you're twisting my words or misunderstanding

It's the CEOs and shareholders who are horrible people, not the workers themselves

In fact, I would hope unions take over AAA companies

[sage fern]

I didn't say I said that. I am saying when you say things like "All rich people should disappear," the people under them do too.

Reality is a new one will just pop up

They loose their jobs

[warped hound]

If there's union there won't be a need to worry about such thing

Democratically elected leaders don't need to bow down to such thing

All I'm trying to say it, research how unions work a bit, you will know what I mean

Union busting is an extremely common practise amongt huge corporations

[normal schooner]

I never had much money, even growing up, but I never once wished for rich people to disappear. That sounds…harsh. And unrealistic.

[warped hound]

Also, I never said "All rich people should disappear", I said "rich people shouldn't exist", so you are clearly twisting my words

[warped hound]

And now you're agreeing to the point which I didn't even make lmao

[normal schooner]

It still aligns with not wanting rich people to exist. Not all of them are evil.

[warped hound]

it's not about evil or being good, it's about being equal economically

Whether you're good or evil, no one deserves to be economically superior than others

[verbal gulch]

Ya'll having deep philosophical debates on discord? 😅

[normal schooner]

I’m afraid the economy would be in a very bad state if everyone is equal. It would be nice, but I don’t think it could work. I don’t wanna get into a full debate on discord 😂

[marble nebula]

people simply cant be equal anyways, they should be treated fairly however

[verbal gulch]

Right? Lol That's what forums and what not are for, nobody changes peoples minds on stuff on Discord of all places lol

[river frigate]

discord is a modern forum

[sage fern]

Okay, back.

We have democratically elected leaders... and that doesn't work or satisfy most people.

In fact, some of these elected leaders from smaller socioeconomic backgrounds ended up scamming people.

People will either never be content, or it will never be fully realized. All you can do is try your best in whatever way you can.

I mean, we have communism for the economy, but most of these countries end up not being equal.

Treat people fairly, but know that that starts with you, and you can't always be 100% fair. All humans have a bias.

[verbal gulch]

(I should be treated better than ya'll 💅 )

[normal schooner]

Not everyone is gonna be altruistic, helping out, or be fair to others as well. That’s just how the world is too unfortunately.

[warped hound]

First of all, democratically elected leaders are still the only better option compared to not being at all.
Also what do you mean by "communism for the economy"?

[river frigate]

yeah WHAT

[sage fern]

I meant communisim for some countries

[warped hound]

Can you name some countries which are communists currently

[sage fern]

China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam

[river frigate]

yep but we should not embolden billionaires

[normal schooner]

Cuba and North Korea are big ones I can think of

[river frigate]

China is most definitely not

Like not at ALL

[verbal gulch]

I wanna live on an isolated Island with a bike peddle to generate electricity, but that's just me 💃

[river frigate]

LMAO 😭

[warped hound]

China is NOT a communist country, just because you keep seeing your politicians calling them communists doesn't make them communists LMAO

[marble nebula]

i agree billionaires shouldnt be a thing, its too much money for a single person

[normal schooner]

The discord server at 3 am 😂✌🏻 (my time)

[warped hound]

It's a capitalistic country above and beyond

[verbal gulch]

Its 11AM here, its too early for politics 😭

[river frigate]

Probably one of the most outrageously capitalist countries there is lol

[warped hound]

I'm pretty certain you are misunderstanding what communism even means

[river frigate]

Bri ish

[sage fern]

Oh? Pls enlighten me

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/communist-countries

[normal schooner]

I’m kinda entertained by this too even tho I don’t agree with some of what’s going on

[verbal gulch]

yup! Bri ish 😄

[marble nebula]

uh oh now its getting political

[verbal gulch]

I honestly dunno whats going on, people are communists now?... Can I be a communist?... please? 😄

[wary jetty]

So... Planet Zoo 2 any1?

[normal schooner]

This is supposed to be a life sim place, not realism 😅

[river frigate]

Let that other guy explain because honestly I'm not super invested in this and have no interest in reading that but girl 😭 China is not economically communist, which is what you said, at all

[verbal gulch]

Yassss! Looks so good!

[river frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/water-car-cat-meme-cat-gif-10555027962273056371

truetrue

[normal schooner]

Ehhh I wouldn’t go that far, personally 😂😅

[verbal gulch]

Communism is in Paralives to be fair, you can just walk into your neighbours house no worries 😄

[river frigate]

All these life sims people just break and enter as they wish

[normal schooner]

Fair point LOL as well as they aren’t stealing I’m fine with it

[river frigate]

I don't want no damn fruitcake

[reef vine]

is politics a banned subject here?

[normal schooner]

I hope it is

[marble nebula]

yes

[cunning jacinth]

yes

[marble nebula]

its rule #2

[verbal gulch]

Yeah 😄

[reef vine]

good, so lets move on :x

[warped hound]

Okay so go read the "Capitalism vs. Communism" section. And then do tell me, what do you think are all the chinese companies all about? Do you think they are all owned by CCP?

[cunning jacinth]

now now

[verbal gulch]

You can't get Feral riled up like this, they like to debate lol

[normal schooner]

I think we should let it rest 😅

[river frigate]

[cunning jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/emilia-clarke-eyebrows-stabilized-gif-22594948

[reef vine]

https://giphy.com/gifs/viceprincipals-hbo-vice-principals-l0MYSPjnTPYYIK5aM

[normal schooner]

Everyone is naturally going to have different ideas here too. So no point in this

[sage fern]

Okay, I'll stop. But my point is, they have tried all systems, and it matters not which system you try to implement. It will never be perfect.

[verbal gulch]

Very political! She's an invader! 💀

[cunning jacinth]

yup. we all will disagree somehow

[sage fern]

[verbal gulch]

I disagree with this

[reef vine]

the more politics people post the more i will spam goggins

[cunning jacinth]

we duel at dawn

[marble nebula]

idk what i wanna eat, prolly a salad cuz its still too hot

[cunning jacinth]

like that has stopped you 😛

[reef vine]

(i'll spam him anyway though)

https://giphy.com/gifs/godaddy-walton-goggins-wggg-goggle-glasses-LtclN2VjLcIolajdUs

for reals though i really must sleep

[sage fern]

Sleep well mam

[river frigate]

so now that's all wrapped up which was better, politics or paralives discourse 🫪

[reef vine]

paralives

[normal schooner]

Quick someone post more politics 👀

[warped hound]

The thing is, if there's genuine curiousity to learn something, if you're proven wrong, you may even accept the truth

Nowadays it's just "debate bros" arguing over nothing - those are NOT debates

[cunning jacinth]

critical thought is vital also

[river frigate]

endless argument for the sake of it

[verbal gulch]

Whats that?

[normal schooner]

It’s not that deep 😭

[warped hound]

I find it funny when people create a podcast to "debate"

[normal schooner]

You do realize everyone else stopped talking about it?

[warped hound]

Do tell me how do you see any relation between my previous comments and current?

At this point, it just seems like you're just tryna rile me up 💀

[normal schooner]

What you said obviously ties into politics. We know what podcasts are for nowadays.

[verbal gulch]

I told ya not to rile them up 💀

[warped hound]

I tallked about debate bros and podcast, also just so you know the whole world revolves around politics, shocker, I know

[river frigate]

Boompala boompala boompala eh

[warped hound]

You are the one who's trying to drag it out of nowhere when we stopped

[verbal gulch]

Politics is banned on this server tho so...

[normal schooner]

Yeah well, I choose to ignore it. Life is better that way and less stressful

[river frigate]

my celestial chakra is STUNNING

[sage fern]

I was actually enjoying myself and trying to listen to others' opinions.

Everyone's version of "the truth" will be different at times, sadly.

We won't always be right, and when we think we are right, we could be wrong.

However, it's important to openly listen to various perspectives other than one's own with patience and self-control (it doesn't always end up that way, especially when you really think you are right—me with the comments before.

No animosity though, chilling is the best.

[verbal gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[warped hound]

Obviously

[normal schooner]

I’ll stop now, I promise 😭

[warped hound]

Yet you're the one engaging here?

[normal schooner]

can you stop, pls?

[warped hound]

I literally changed the topic to debates bruh

[verbal gulch]

Right? I ignore "opinion" pieces on almost all platforms 😄

[warped hound]

Can YOU stop 💀

[normal schooner]

Now you’re just rage baiting LOL

Anyways I blocked them

[verbal gulch]

(I think I'm gonna need more popcorn...)

[sage fern]

Let's chill. There's not a point in this.

[warped hound]

I'm not sure what to think of this, you replied to my text here ^

Also do block, one less annoyance

[river frigate]

I wish we had buttered popcorn in the uk

[verbal gulch]

Literally lol

[river frigate]

you can't get it at any cinema

[verbal gulch]

We don't? We should rise up! This is an outrage! 😮

[normal schooner]

I’m sorry if I seemed hostile. I wasn’t trying to be btw

[deep viper]

You can’t?

[sage fern]

I get it emotions behind it but a debate does not have to get us heated; it all started from a game as well

[verbal gulch]

Nah you weren't, all good 🙂

[river frigate]

no 😭 at least not the big chains I've been to, of which there are 3 that I know

[sage fern]

[river frigate]

but it is sooo good even if it isn't good for you at all

[warped hound]

My point is even after changing the topic, they shifted back to "You do realize everyone else stopped talking about it?"

[river frigate]

i bought some strange yellow chemical salt to make it at home but it does not taste the same at all

[deep viper]

Aw, that stinks. I love getting buttered popcorn at the movies!

[verbal gulch]

Nothings good for us, not even aging apparently

[sage fern]

I was more so talking about my experience with our previous chat dw

[river frigate]

Eggs are the best food ever high protein (wait they're high cholesterol never look at an egg again)

[verbal gulch]

EGGactly!

[marble nebula]

i love eggs

[normal schooner]

what kind of eggs?

[warped hound]

No, to be fair, I kinda get you. Although I'm sure there's a bit of misunderstanding between our views too

[deep viper]

I love them and my husband hates them, lol

[river frigate]

i love them scrambled or fried but boiled eggs are so gross to me

[sage fern]

[marble nebula]

more for you hehe

[normal schooner]

I love egg sandwich’s

[verbal gulch]

Boiled eggs are the bestttt!

[deep viper]

I like scrambled with some cheese added, or over easy.

[verbal gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-iliketrains-trains-gif-4905803

[marble nebula]

i prefer over easy

[sage fern]

Oh, definitely, I'm always down to dig deeper into subjects as long as someone else is willing. But I did get slightly riled up and did not express my points properly either

Im sure i missed a lot of urs as well

Chat is fast after all

A lot to process

[verbal gulch]

I agree with this, "as someone else is willing", otherwise everyone gets heated up, I try not to engage when hot topics I have no interest in comes up 😅

[normal schooner]

Getting hit by a train sounds nice too /jk

[warped hound]

I'm always inclined to listen to other people.. unless it's too drastic - say hating a minority group xD Which neither of us did at all. But yeah, I generally do did deeper into topic myself.

[verbal gulch]

In this economy!? Sign me up!

[sage fern]

Exactly when it goes from "enlighten me" to "I just wanna win this."

[sage fern]

It is something that tickles my brain

[verbal gulch]

100%, and pulling out "facts" when the other person really isn't interested in the topic isn't making things better haha

[normal schooner]

I do wanna apologize as well. I genuinely thought the debate topic was still political talk.

[sage fern]

No one is listening at that point, besides facts can be screwed to someone elses benefit if not reserched properlu tbf

I LOVE U GUYS WHAT

[verbal gulch]

No more debating about debates 💃

[sage fern]

Accountability?

[normal schooner]

I’m not! I just wanted to apologize

[verbal gulch]

What's that? 👀

[river frigate]

what's that

[sage fern]

[warped hound]

It's just good to see things from other people's perspective, oftentimes you even get to learn something new yourself. A lot of times when I'm proven wrong my dumbass won't immediately admit it, but will do some research soon after only to be proven wrong and then change my mind about the topic

[verbal gulch]

It was a joke don't worry lol

[normal schooner]

In this economy?

[normal schooner]

Hard to tell sorry 🤣

[sage fern]

Get out u and @verbal gulch on timeout destroying my positive time smh

[cunning jacinth]

Imma start spamming rules if y'all don't behave

[verbal gulch]

Pro-tip: If it's me, 90% of what I say is not serious at all lol

[warped hound]

No no It's all good 😭 Sorry I didn't come out clear

[sage fern]

BUT MOOOOOM

[warped hound]

you know the rules
and so do I

[cunning jacinth]

I WILL TURN THIS SERVER AROUND RIGHT NOW

[sage fern]

[verbal gulch]

I'm so confused, are people saying sorry?... on the internet? Where am I?!

[normal schooner]

purgatory obv

[warped hound]

Never gonna turn around and desert you

[verbal gulch]

That would explain alottttt

[sage fern]

You are on the wholesome side of the internet, with a mom that will whoop our backside with rules if we dont behave

[cunning jacinth]

https://klipy.com/gifs/paddles-fraternity-2

[sage fern]

Okay, I've got to go. I enjoyed this moment, but I have so much I pushed aside because it was interesting.but i dont wanna get smacked im running

[verbal gulch]

Scott better hurry up with my parcel 😭

[river frigate]

ur lucky its not evri

[warped hound]

Um.. excuse me? Are those s- paddles?

[verbal gulch]

Oh never lol

[sage fern]

Love this and same!

[broken quiver]

Yah, in Canada

[ruby nacelle]

making a chicken pasta today

[sage fern]

Feed me thanks

[ruby nacelle]

Am I everyone’s personal chef or something

[sage fern]

Yes, thank you for your services.

[cunning jacinth]

voted in

[sage fern]

[ruby nacelle]

I dont have food for 147k

[cunning jacinth]

see, there was once a guy with a couple fish and some bread, and then he [banned]

[ruby nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-12686883553708718330

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-join-me-come-here-darth-vader-you-need-a-hand-gif-12423479908260753258

[ruby nacelle]

Getting ready for a photoshoot

[somber berry]

sims 2 is just so GOATED aaa

[somber berry]

COOL

[somber berry]

they are the good guys!!

[somber berry]

scott is having a loicence for that timespan

[worn wolf]

Notice how it's been like 5 days since paralives release and there hasnt been a single bug patch while inzoi would have released like 2-3? Anyways, I wouldn't count on the "2 year early access"

[cunning jacinth]

smaller team, and krafton is the wallet so billions

[thin coyote]

I think they said they will fix some bugs, but I’m not sure...

[fervent iron]

I'm currently going through their AMA, and in their AMA they said that they will release a patch in a couple of days. So it should be soon.

[sage fern]

Why did i think they were guns...

I guess u are shooting people

[radiant zealot]

I think the two can't really be compared since paralives has a much smaller team of only 15. It's naturally going to take a bit longer

[sage fern]

Hence why i say people just get mods to fix it

[radiant zealot]

True, there are a lot of great QOL and bug fix mods already available

[somber berry]

I will just play sims 2 and inzoi occasionally :p

[somber berry]

Not even that, they don't have investors or a big backer that just injects money

[zenith dirge]

What’re you shooting?

[pliant tree]

Having a tough time figuring out Paralives mod file locations.
I have one that mentions an edid of a variable but I have no freakin idea where to find that variaable.

[wheat merlin]

Oh hey there...

[pliant tree]

Blub blub

[wheat merlin]

Just chilling

[pliant tree]

Is his name dinner?

[robust tapir]

sims 2 is the frickin goat

[steady forge]

Nevermind Inzoi and Paralives, this metaverse/character creator has the UGC I'm looking for. Zepeto. So many awesome hairstyles and outfits to try out in the shop😆

[pliant tree]

Low res... just sayin. Might be Discord wrecking it but ooof jaggies.

[steady forge]

probably because I'm not using the built in photo mode, just screencapture, but it does seem abit blurry at times. can't find any resolution settings though.

[golden tulip]

If you like Zepto you’ll love Life Makeover too

Customization on there is

[steady forge]

Oh Life Makeover, that one is on steam right? I did try it before but somehow I didn't stay for long. There is just too much girly doll styles I guess, not really the style I prefer

[golden tulip]

Ahh

[slate karma]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-crawling-tired-gif-11883184

[ruby nacelle]

Moo is alive

[slate karma]

How the reddits have me today

[slate karma]

Did u break ur back

[ruby nacelle]

The Reddit mods need grass and leave the basement

[slate karma]

[ruby nacelle]

Partially

https://tenor.com/view/ahhh-gif-21263503

[pliant tree]

Mmm popeye biscuts! Good with honey!

[pliant tree]

OMG you guys would be shocked! I found and modified a mod.. for paralives 😄
Did not like the way the original mod worked so I found it, edited it.. Im a modder now 😄

[stiff hill]

gotta get back into 3d modeling for my school exhibition

[ruby nacelle]

welcome to the club jin

i do 3D animation

[stiff hill]

-# i just havent touched it for like a year

[pliant tree]

Bah its like riding a bike!

A bike with two handbars and three pedals.

[stiff hill]

i just need to figure out how to get my key into quad remesher atm

[pliant tree]

Quad remesher.. sounds painfull

[tacit kite]

👀 can I ask you a question , is it easy to animate the angle change of a model like a jewelry product showcase , I wanted to try this for a school project but I never did 3d animation before , only a bit of 3d modeling

[ruby nacelle]

It normally is

[stiff hill]

its not actually i learned from my teacher its better than the in blender remesher

[little light]

They could they just didn’t want to 😂 better late than never I guess

[ruby nacelle]

Iv been working on custom inzoi animations ready for when script mods come out

dam you blender

Of course it had to crash

[pliant tree]

Obligatory

[ruby nacelle]

I was working on an inzoi outfit

And Iv also learnt how to make custom skin tones

So I could make 2k/4K texture maps

So the skin looks less plastic

[pliant tree]

Sigh I about give up on this quest in SWTOR. Ive killed dozens of mobs and no one drops the item I need 🙁

[ruby nacelle]

And @pliant tree I can also fix the eyes on the future

With realistic eye texture maps

[pliant tree]

Can you fix the mirrors in Paralives? there horrifying!

[ruby nacelle]

I don’t own the game anymore

[pliant tree]

🤷

Sounds like fun but were not supposed to 'advertise' on this discord.

[stiff hill]

no advertising

[pliant tree]

Oh.. she to quick for me.

[verbal laurel]

Paralives makes me realize we need variable height maps and basements more than I thought we did.
Wasn't sure about basements, but... yeah now I realize it's missing.
(and also all we would need is being able to drag the house on the downwards/upwards axis, and as long as the floor goes down and does not clip thru that basement, it's GG).

Then again I'd rather the devs focus 100% on bug fixes rather than new stuff at this point, but still. Interesting.

[somber berry]

ofc basements, because with basements you get height tools, so you can make sunken-in places. You can already KIND of do it, by heightening your house, but it just isn't the same ;c

[warped hound]

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/survival/subnautica-2-dev-says-go-play-sons-of-the-forest-if-you-dont-like-its-lack-of-violence/

Subnautica devs promoting Sons Of The Forest?!?!!?

[pliant tree]

Heh this was several weeks ago and The devs have apologized for apparently dissing players.
I thought it was spot on personally.

[lunar elbow]

making some puerto rico license plates in a video game cuz why not

[warped hound]

lmao 🙏🏻

[stiff hill]

was the baby cooking for 20 years

[median vigil]

this is some of mine and hes flirting with the other para women now 🫣

the way hes holding the baby in pic lmao

[golden tulip]

Babies are always upside down. Current bug lol

[median vigil]

i know 🫣

[warped hound]

I thought I grew up too fast... but this frickin para...

[pliant tree]

I actually saw a guy carring his child like this the other day.. seriously we were like wth!

[fossil meadow]

Got the FFXIV otter backpack

Now I just need to get 500k MGP for the item I want

[warped hound]

Oh yeah, that reminds me 😭 I attempted ffxiv install, but then it failed misinstall due to space, turns out it's over 100Gb

I decided to figure something out that and wait for now 😔

I only have 1TB of SSD currently, after 2 of my ssds and 1 hdd died

[fossil meadow]

NOooooo
Understandable though mmorpgs are pretty sizely

[warped hound]

Yeahh ;c

[sick hamlet]

What’s wrong with this thing? Lol

The fan is supposed face to the front but once i turn it around it stops lol

[stiff hill]

most likely the blades are too heavy and cant hold themselves up

holdin it down takes the weight off

[sick hamlet]

It actually worked normal but once i used it for 3 minutes it’s already half broken 🤣

[stiff hill]

was it cheap ?

that could explain it if it was made from cheap materials

[sick hamlet]

It was like €3 🤣 yes, that explains everything

[stiff hill]

yup LOL

[fossil meadow]

I hate this man so bad (I love him) He's ruining my life (I love him) he's the worst (I love him)

[stiff hill]

https://tenor.com/view/titanic-gif-24496205

gives titanic

[pliant tree]

There was plenty of room for Jack. That selfish woman!

[fossil meadow]

The door just floating in the ocean that could have saved two lives be like

I was just finding an excuse to send this picture too

[reef vine]

um
WTF
paralives updated and now none of my workshop mods work

[pliant tree]

haha... here we go!

[reef vine]

the ones I have locally installed work

this is going to cause madness lmao

also apparently para has a limit of 50 mods which is insanely low

(im at 45)

[pliant tree]

e a patch

[reef vine]

?

[pliant tree]

LOL only 50?

Sorry keyboard went nuts.

[reef vine]

yes...unless you move them to local files

which i can do but...man

[pliant tree]

At what point do you have so many mods it is not the original game anymore?

[fossil meadow]

Oh man 50
Does that include CC too

[reef vine]

yes.

anything workshop.

its really bad, but if you move your workshop stuff to local mods it should be ok

[fossil meadow]

Oof I'd fill that up on just minor visual tweaks alone

[reef vine]

this!!

[stiff hill]

i called it lmao

that is why you dont make mods on day 1 of game being out

[reef vine]

good f'in grief

a dev CLAIMS i have to resub or wait for mod updates

wtf at the resubbing

[stiff hill]

dunno

[reef vine]

im gonna try it...but damn
thats kind of insane

i cant resub this much! lmao

this makes inzoi's mod system look way stable

[stiff hill]

i mean if inzoi released modding at the start it prob wouldve been the same

[reef vine]

i think its a workshop issue

im blaming workshop atm because my local mods work without issue

[fossil meadow]

150k bug and suggestion reports

[reef vine]

lmao

I suggested adding a 'Transfer to Local Mods Folder' button.

because i'm convinced workshop is the issue

[median vigil]

Well at least we are having updates

[reef vine]

true dat lol

[fossil meadow]

10k reports per team member

[pliant tree]

One would hope that many of those 150K were repeats.

[median vigil]

I'm out of the game right now I'm eating rn and watching TV

[fossil meadow]

Oh they would be but even then I wouldn't want to be the one to sort through them because even if you automated some of the sorting of it I can still see it being a lot of 15 people to sort through even with repeats

[median vigil]

Walter goggins eye brows is too high

And his bottom lip is bigger in real

[reef vine]

i tried!!!

like i said 😭

[median vigil]

And his forehead is bigger I know

[reef vine]

i knowwww

💀

[median vigil]

Just saying you asked what it was that could make it better

[reef vine]

i stg the brows are as low as they go

[median vigil]

And it's them things

[reef vine]

i dont remember asking

but my memory's crap

[pliant tree]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reactionseditor-mothers-day-l0ExayQDzrI2xOb8A

[reef vine]

AND

its
WalTON not WalTER

[median vigil]

Yeh earlier post you said what can I do to make it look more like him or something along them lines

[reef vine]

even my mom is saying Walter

[median vigil]

I am saying Walter too 🤣

[reef vine]

💀
WHY IS WALTON NOT EASY FOR PEOPLE TO REMEMBER

its a cute name 😭

[median vigil]

Cause Walter sounds better 🤣

[reef vine]

i always think of walton simons from deus ex love him too

[toxic ginkgo]

Aw two mini flamez

[median vigil]

I know right but I still don't want non in real 🤣🤣

[stiff hill]

playin a lil fire red on my break

[median vigil]

Walter Simons 😁😅

[reef vine]

Walton 😭 !!

[fossil meadow]

Just 481131 more MGP to go

[sage fern]

Just realized they don't have a place for suggestions for the game.

[fossil meadow]

This is what I get for spending all my MGP right before the event started

[fossil meadow]

For Paralives? It's in their bug report in game

There's an option there if I remember correctly

[sage fern]

Ohhh

Thats good

[fossil meadow]

It's probably also how it ended up 150k since it was through the same form

[sage fern]

That would make sense.they should seperate it so they have an easier time.

But im sure they have their reasons

[median vigil]

Won't the eye brows go down lower with the workshop slider mods 🤔

Because there is people making some shady characters 🤣🤣

With abnormal features

People are making furries 🤔

[reef vine]

well right now im reinstalling because mods dont show up

if this doesnt work ill be at a loss

i cant play without at least the skin mod

[median vigil]

I'm chilling watching tv then I need to see what works and doesn't in my game 🤔

[reef vine]

also the sliders might break existing para so i dont want

• i dont know if they work on faces

[median vigil]

True 😭

[median vigil]

I tried the mint mod on my black guy para and made him white 🤣🤣

I only wanted smoother skins with less lines

And it did a 360 🤣

[reef vine]

it should work idk why it cant

[median vigil]

It does but it doesn't look great when I tune it

[reef vine]

it works for all skintones 😭

[median vigil]

The color around the eyes and palm of hands is off

[reef vine]

you can change palm color

[median vigil]

Prefer the default 😔

[reef vine]

not me by a mile lmao

[median vigil]

Anyway I've got some other overlays to try if they work

[reef vine]

without that skin, they all look like kids

[median vigil]

I don't like the mint skin I think they'll be better overlays with time

[reef vine]

this game is screwed
reinstalling did not fix the gd mods

[median vigil]

Waiting for an update then 🤔

[reef vine]

i dont know

im pissed

[median vigil]

I'm gonna be if my mods don't work

Hope they get updated

[median vigil]

Anyway what even did they fix on the update?

Was it a big update 🤔

They should atleast fix the babies in the crib 🤔

I'm not seeing any announcement for updates in the discord

[fossil meadow]

Someone gave me a free minion

[median vigil]

Two blue butt cheeks 😁

[normal schooner]

Apparently Paralives has a patch update out already

[median vigil]

I haven't been near PC but discord hasn't announced anything on the server

[normal schooner]

Yeah, I didn’t see one either. I just downloaded the update

[median vigil]

What's changed ?

[normal schooner]

lemme see

[sage fern]

They did on the discord server development

[median vigil]

Oh yeh I didn't check that one 🤔

[fossil meadow]

Here's what the update is

[median vigil]

I looked at annoucements

[median vigil]

I see it now 😁

[normal schooner]

Thank you bc it was a lot 😅

[median vigil]

Good thing paralives is giving updates thought they would never come 😁

[normal schooner]

Faster than I thought too lol

[median vigil]

The bug with the lip color got fixed 🤣

[verbal gulch]

I assume it broke all the mods? 👀

Hi, I'm Brad 🙂

[normal schooner]

Did it?

[median vigil]

I don't know I'm dreading to go look 🤣🤣

[stiff hill]

yes there was an update

[normal schooner]

I downloaded mods for the first time last night. I’m cursed 😭

[median vigil]

Nyami said it did 🤔

[verbal gulch]

ya'll learnt nathin from Inzoi updates lol

[stiff hill]

open steam and yall will see it auto download

[normal schooner]

Nah I know lol I was just hoping it could be fine

[median vigil]

All my shopping spree on the workshop was for nawt 😭🤣

[median vigil]

I don't use mods in inzoi 😭 but I did in the sims days 😭

[normal schooner]

I feel that smh

Yeah, same here. I did before but to me Inzoi doesn’t need any rn

[median vigil]

They better be updating them mods as we speak 🤣😭

[median vigil]

That's how I feel unlike paralives

That needs a crap ton 🤣

[normal schooner]

I got like the camera and performance fixes lmao

[sage fern]

How much did u guys download ... cant u just shop again?

[median vigil]

I had the camera one and I still don't like the camera

Can't get on with it 😭

[normal schooner]

really? i thought it was a lot better

[fossil meadow]

Got my little otter friend too

[median vigil]

I wanted sims 4 camera 😭

[normal schooner]

Not a lot. 4 mods and two houses downloaded

[median vigil]

Can't use left click to move about got to do edge scrolling or keyboard keys

Don't like that

[sage fern]

Should be fine then cuz houses won't break i assume

So u just need to reinstall 4

[normal schooner]

I’m the opposite. I don’t like edge scrolling

[median vigil]

I'm using edge scrolling because I can't move around with left click

I don't like the whole camera 😭

I wanna drag with left click

And move about 😭

And right click for camera pans

[fossil meadow]

Two distinguished gentlemans

[median vigil]

I'm not into furries but polka likes them 😁

[toxic ginkgo]

For para? They seem to have a pretty loyal and supportive base, esp from the modding community
Do you think inzoi will have the same level of support? 😭

[normal schooner]

I think when big update drops more and after early access for Inzoi!

[median vigil]

This is true the modding community is insane for the game

[toxic ginkgo]

I peeped…

[normal schooner]

The game can only hold 50 mods for now tho

[median vigil]

I thought it was 28 mods 🤔

[normal schooner]

No. I asked in their discord

[toxic ginkgo]

I-

[toxic ginkgo]

This includes cc clothes n etc?

[normal schooner]

I don’t think it includes Para’s or houses. But cc too

[median vigil]

I never reached the limit so I don't know about this 🤔

[sage fern]

Tbf.. no ones gonna be using 50 mods

[normal schooner]

about that…

[median vigil]

Somebody is 🤣🤣🤣

[toxic ginkgo]

Wha mods have you shopped
Da one where it changes the cartoon texture to 3d?

[sage fern]

Okay nvm I arrest my case lol

[normal schooner]

when I played the sims I had over 400 and counting

[toxic ginkgo]

I know ppl who have 500 mods in inzoi

[median vigil]

No I just had the outline less effect for my para and the smooth skin overlay for the babies and toddler

[sage fern]

Oh boy if I had more than 10 my computer would be broken

[leaden plume]

Most mods I've had is 400 in skyrim

[toxic ginkgo]

I saw neuworld use the de/cartoonification mod and it looked da same lol

[sage fern]

For what......o.o

[normal schooner]

I can see it 🤣 I gave up bc that was when EA broke mods a few months back and I crashed out

[median vigil]

I had faster cards mod and needs don't decay

[leaden plume]

It's crazy cause you download one mod and then you need to get 12 more for the first one to work

Adds up fast

[normal schooner]

Fallout 4 and Dragon age especially omg

[sage fern]

T-T naah ya alls like to make urself suffer arent no way!!!

IMAGINE UPDATING EACH ONE???

[ruby nacelle]

buks cake

[median vigil]

When I get fed up I'll wittle down to a hand full only

[ruby nacelle]

flames

[sage fern]

I was dying just having to reinstall sims 4 mods

[sage fern]

[normal schooner]

I got a pretty good pc so I can mod 🤣

[ruby nacelle]

i cooked for everyone today so i had 3 slices of pizza

[sage fern]

Lol fair

[ruby nacelle]

and that was it for today

[sage fern]

Hello yeah!!

[median vigil]

I've only got like 12 mods now and if some stopped working it won't be too bad

[sage fern]

Fork im jelly

[ruby nacelle]

had my bowl of fruit when i woke up

then pizza at 9pm

[normal schooner]

Stardew Valley I’m close to 40 mods

[ruby nacelle]

my friend is mad that her notebook laptop cant run paralives

[median vigil]

I've had spaghetti and sat resting my belly infront of tv

For the last two or so hours

[marble nebula]

i only wanna dld hair mods for inzoi but im too lazy to update them

[toxic ginkgo]

😂😂😂😂

[normal schooner]

I can spend all day downloading and updating mods lmao

[sage fern]

[ruby nacelle]

im drinking orange cider with ice cubes

[near oak]

why needs don't decay?

[sage fern]

Naah i get fustrated enough just playing with my chars

[median vigil]

Because the twin babies got needy as hell 😭🤣

[sage fern]

Ya alls dedication is unreal

[median vigil]

And I needed it to stop pulling my hair out 😭

[sage fern]

Idk if i should be scared or admire you lots

[normal schooner]

I’m scared to play Paralives now

I was gonna open it up too

[sage fern]

Remove the mods and play?

[normal schooner]

I could but the lag and map mods

[sage fern]

Oh is there not an update function?

[ruby nacelle]

@median vigil tomorrow im doing ham salad bugetts

[median vigil]

Tommorow I don't know what I'm having tommorow is another day 🤣

[sage fern]

Brain dee I sleeep

[ruby nacelle]

as a chef i plan ahead

[median vigil]

I don't because I change my mind like the wind 😭

On what I fancy

[near oak]

lmaooo

[normal schooner]

I’ve never used steam workshop for mods. This is all new to me

[ruby nacelle]

just like where minds meet

[median vigil]

Anyway what have you been playing lately

[ruby nacelle]

nothing

been busy cooking and cleaning

[toxic ginkgo]

Wha other games yall been playing
I like playing vicariously

[median vigil]

Just paralives 🤔 I haven't logged into where winds meet in a week or so but I really need too

Use up my energy

[normal schooner]

Overwatch and Dead by Daylight

[toxic ginkgo]

Oh wow yu play those two

[normal schooner]

For way too long too 🤣

[median vigil]

What have you been doing tony 🤔👀

[normal schooner]

^^

[toxic ginkgo]

Traveling and attending rl graduations lol I fly home tomorrow tho

[normal schooner]

Gross. The outside

Jk lol

[toxic ginkgo]

I been on second life and marvel rivals

Mostly