off-topic-chat

[open frost]

Maybe they can expand the team with the revenue they get from sales

[verbal gulch]

Right? Lag was the only thing that I hated in TS3, and Para lags on 50 series graphics cards 👀

[ruby nacelle]

-# I love cheese cake

[sage fern]

There is only so much that can do when u dont have consitant income being put in

[little light]

How long is that gonna last is the question

[scarlet hearth]

-# Me too even though I rarely have them...

[sage fern]

They sre even closing patreon after

Are*

[ruby nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/cheesecake-dessert-cheesecake-day-food-gif-18798293

[open frost]

Yeah I basically got a full time job out of making sims 3 perform somewhat properly lol. I want Paralives to be smooth. I get it's Unity and early access but if it won't improve eventually, im out.

[sage fern]

Unity will be fine tbh it might not be op but its safe

[verbal gulch]

Ohhhh, I did wonder what engine they used, Unity? Oh no... 👀

[sage fern]

Inzois engine has a higher risk and slower at clearing bugs

[sharp nova]

You can literally see the player count drop on steam every time theres an update.

[verbal gulch]

Oh! We can use SteamDB to sneakily check Para's performance 😮

[sage fern]

U are behind on the curve my boi

[open frost]

As long as we're not gonna repeat the bullshit people have been saying about Inzoi's player count

[scarlet hearth]

Heard and experience some games on Unity being low performance over recommended specs but they can be upgraded like UE (I think?) and hopefully as time goes it'll be better

[sage fern]

I was already thinkinv that xD

[sage fern]

I need people to be logical and critical. Not just bash it for random stuff

[scarlet hearth]

-# 🤫 Shh... I've been using it to sneak on some games updates too

[sage fern]

I'll be honest, art's not my style, but that's personal preference. But when it comes to the game itself, we baby it too much.

[open frost]

I like the style, except for the fever/drunk blush

[sage fern]

Yeah im into pretty games xD

[verbal gulch]

They all got hay fever from that countryside livin 👀

[open frost]

They also need to improve the lighting but that's on the road map

Game looks very flat atm

[deep viper]

I see some paras that look really cute and some just look off. But, art style is definitely a personal taste.

[verbal gulch]

100%! The only thing I hate about the build mode is that there's no ceiling? The sun goes through the roof??

[deep viper]

I do like inZOI for its realism, though

[sage fern]

My type of games is too clear

[open frost]

The good thing about the art style is that it's timeless. It won't look 'old' in a few years.

[verbal gulch]

idkkkk, we said the same about TS4 when it first game out lol

[scarlet hearth]

WWM?

[little light]

Makes sense because their mods that make the game fun aren’t working but the game has all this “soul”

[sage fern]

YESSS

[open frost]

I felt Sims 4 was ugly from the start lol and a step down from Sims 3

[sage fern]

Loved it so much if only it was not so money hungry

[sharp nova]

I love wwm yall look so good

[verbal gulch]

(Me too) but others said it'll be "timeless" lol

[sage fern]

THANK UUUU ><<< ♡♡♡

[scarlet hearth]

They did updates default skin and hair color later along with hair textures

[sage fern]

My man

And you want me to play paraglides?! I'm sorry, I'm a sucker for pretty things!!!!

[verbal gulch]

It still looks a lil old to me tho 😭

[sage fern]

Paralives* ops

[open frost]

Paraglides lol

[verbal gulch]

Lmao, I love playing paraglides!

[deep viper]

Paraglides made me laugh. 😂

[sage fern]

Auto correct i promise q.q

[verbal gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[open frost]

I cant wait to play Paralives but I have to bbq at the in-laws so I can only play for like an hour today when it releases

@verbal gulch will you share some of your builds here? I can't wait to see what you'll make

[scarlet hearth]

😂 If he get the game that is

[sage fern]

Listen, I have had my session of roaming parakeets named Zoey.

Paranormal and zoilets are my favorite.

[open frost]

He said he'd play it for build mode

[deep viper]

Build mode looks really good, tbh. I’m just not a builder, lol

[sage fern]

Yeah I love build mode. But I only like it when its functional

[open frost]

I've been enjoying building more lately both in Inzoi and Sims 3 so im excited for it

[scarlet hearth]

The wall can be so curved it looks really good like freeform editing stuff then scale them

[sage fern]

Like I get overwhelmed doing inzois q.q ehejdjdh nedd to go play

[open frost]

Like this beautiful stretched bed lol

[sage fern]

Maybe cuz he stretched it so much

[open frost]

Loved LGR's video tbh it made me laugh out loud

[verbal gulch]

Doubt I'd get it tbh, The build mode looks great but that's all really, with Inzoi, I play for a week or two, get bored, then build, then maybe mod, then play again. With Para I'd just... build I guess? 👀

[sage fern]

I wanna try modding too rn

[open frost]

Ahh too bad

[sage fern]

Like cc

But it looks overwhelming

[scarlet hearth]

That's scary... the amount of details? I wanna see the wireframe...

[verbal gulch]

It's fun once you get the hang of it, knowing basic Blender shortcuts goes alonggg way

[sage fern]

Some people like to sleep with pins and needles

[sage fern]

I know like nothing lmao xD

[scarlet hearth]

Make build videos of Paralives instead maybe record edit then speed up~

[verbal gulch]

Also can we have glossy walls? I'd love to try making a cyberpunk inspired build in Para (even though it won't fit the town at all) 😅

[sage fern]

I dont think so but I think u can still make punk styles

[scarlet hearth]

Feels restrict isn't it haha (for videos) like no room for mistake or experiment just go in do it and done

[sage fern]

Like just not glossy lol

[steady forge]

I don't know why you seem kinda hypocritical considering it's kinda the same for Inzoi modders. Yeah these modders provide content for games for free, but with Inzoi, not only they have the rights to license, but they also don't allow monetization of mods. And honestly, you're making it sound as only modders will benefit in the long run, but there are many non modders just as excited

[open frost]

I don't know, but haven't seen anything shiny or glossy/reflective in the videos I watched

[verbal gulch]

Ah mess around with blender, you'll get the hang of it in a few years 😄 /j, I'm still learning things in blender every time I use it 💀

[sage fern]

The hight seems limitless

[verbal gulch]

Same 🙁 Cyberpunk slum builds perhaps 👀

[open frost]

Midgar!

[scarlet hearth]

Roof does reflect and water

[verbal gulch]

reflective roofs? 👀

[scarlet hearth]

-# Midgard?

[open frost]

Yes

From ffvii

[sage fern]

Yes, it's not hypocritical.

Where I'm coming from is saying:

"I don't need another Sims 4 where mods are the reason I play and not the game itself."

Mods are important, and I love them, e.g., CC for more clothes. But when does the game have its own so I don't have to go downloading 100+ mods to make it work?

You might as well hire the modders if you want them to make your game.

If inzoi was Mods should build my game as a focus id say the same thing.

[open frost]

Well thats what Kjun said though

[sage fern]

How many times have mods been canceled, had extra bugs added, been destroyed, or stopped updating?

[steady forge]

Mods are only there for people who want it, it isn't mandatory to play the game

[open frost]

They're enabling mods so players can help build all the content everyone wants since 'he can't make it all in a lifetime'

[verbal gulch]

The dramaaaa! (Side note, graffiti skill in Inzoi When!?)

[steady forge]

inzoi also allows modding freedom and maybe perhaps more moddable features will be released who knows

[river frigate]

i wish there was a financial incentive for modders like with roblox

i feel like that would make so many people more interested in making cool stuff

[open frost]

Hell no

Let's not go down the Sims 4 marketplace route

[scarlet hearth]

There is wall graftti? I have no idea about skill though

[river frigate]

well fair enough 🤣 definitely not exactly like roblox

[river frigate]

wait what happened there

[sharp nova]

Ngl the curved walls and not having curved windows is kinda dumb to me.

[open frost]

Maybe contests with price money but no paid cc plz

[verbal gulch]

Yeah but they look more like stickers than graffiti 😭

[sage fern]

I feel like you are missing the point.

Mods are there, yes. E.g.,

No way Inzoi will allow NSFW mods—people can make that happen.

For Paralives, the build mode is amazing, and I love its foundation for building.
It's okay for modders to help fix the basement bug, but only temporarily. If it's forever, that's a foundational issue they choose to ignore because a mod can fix it.

[river frigate]

wait are there any nsfw mods 👀

are you allowed to talk abt that here

[sage fern]

No we arent but yes there confirmed now is one developing.

[little light]

I know a couple modders actively working on nsfw mods

[sick hamlet]

Drama? I haven’t seen any drama yet..

I wish 😔

💔

[steady forge]

I have to say though, modders just don't mod any game, it still depends on whether they enjoy or like the game as a whole. As well as if they agree to the modding policy. without that, there isn't a main motivation. Getting to monetize it is a side plus

[verbal gulch]

I seen a fire or two?

[open frost]

But the game is literally only at early access launch you can't say now that paralives will depend on mods for that. Inzoi currently has plenty of game breaking bugs too that still need fixing. It's unfair to already say paralives will need mods to function...

[sick hamlet]

While calmly extinguishing the fire 🫩 so much drama, kdrama worthy!

Netflix drama!

[river frigate]

how do you arson in inzoi 🫣

is thievery the only crime

[verbal gulch]

Netflix? So cancelled after 1 season, go it 💅

[sage fern]

Yes and no.

I've said this before, but my theory is based on my logical observation and I've explained the thought behind it. In fact, no one has been able to argue against the rationality behind it except to say, "we don't know yet." That's okay, but this is my rationale before investing financially in it.

[verbal gulch]

And scam and vandalism

[little light]

Put a rug near a fire place

[steady forge]

I think its weird to blame the developers if players want to volunteer to fix a bug...they aren't forced to, but done out of love, and that goes with any game

[little light]

And turn city safety levels very low for that

[river frigate]

icic

[sick hamlet]

No but seriously, i love how Paralives looks atm.. i got blown away with create a para and Build mode.. this convinced me that i would buy and play until i saw live mode. I think i have to wait for that one honestly. One thing I’m genuinely worried about is that some people think it’s a “sims killer”.. genuinely worried

[scarlet hearth]

-# TV in the game likes to spark if lower the appliance level or was it safety

[river frigate]

yas

[open frost]

It's perfectly reasonable to wait for a full, stable and playable (vanilla) game before buying it! That just means early access isn't for you. With the exception of inzoi I guess? Lol

[sick hamlet]

Another thing that throws me off is the art style, it might grow one me but idk 🫩

[sage fern]

Strong there.

Let me give a real-world example:

The government gives us an easy way to build a house we can all live in and feel safe in.

The community loves this but noticed we need to plant trees to make this functional.

A part of the community decided to provide the wood people need.

• The caveat is, you have to go get that wood after paying for that house to be built and you are not ensured of its quality.

Goverment sees that a part of the community is giving people the wood regardless of, quality, cost and sustainability and decides there was no need to give people the wood they needed for the house.

[little light]

I imagine the right mods could “possibly” make it tolerable but the penetrating hairstyles is a no for me

[sage fern]

Makes sense? I tried my best to make it as logical as possible

[steady forge]

I think they only say that or put a title like that to grab views unfortunately

[sick hamlet]

Right, also not a fan of the blocky hair styles and the outlines on the paras haha.. one reason i like inZOI is that the graphic looks clean and neat.

[sick hamlet]

Oh yeah absolutely but that can hurt Paralives so much because they expect a fully fleshed out game 👁️👁️

[sage fern]

Again, missing the point.

I have assessed that I have more hope for Inzoi than I do for Paralives.

Reason being:

1. The way it is now, I actually enjoy it enough to play a lifetime, even if it's coming back every now and then.

2. I am less worried about them not updating the game than I am about Paralives.

3. I love the game's looks more than I like Paralives.

4. I am currently playing without mods and CC, and although there are things I want and love, I am enjoying the game first for what it is.

[open frost]

I just dont think it's fair to judge a dev team for its bug fixing and updating capabilities before the game even launched but your other points are valid.

[steady forge]

okay i see what your trying to point out, but it's not like paralives didn't provide things the people needed. everything is there. you need wood to survive, but you don't need extra customization and cosmetics to.. so the comparison seems a bit farfetched to me

paralives provided hair, provided gameplay, but mods can enhance the already existing experience

[sage fern]

I think it's rational, though; I am the consumer, after all. I need to make sure what I am getting will be maintained for a long time. I am also considering how long it has taken to get here. Yes, they have excuses, like being indie, bless them.

But I'm not here to do charity. I want to enjoy what I play.

[little light]

Inzoi does Paralives better than Paralives if you prefer this artstyle

[sage fern]

I jave not used the filters in soo long i forgot it existed

[sage fern]

Nono, because its not about cc. Cc is fine. Its the script mods I speak of love

[little light]

I actually like it, it definitely gives a different feel

[sage fern]

Like extra furniture and stuff. Hecc inzois is lack luster

But if inzoi stoped and said oh people can go download them from modders...

[steady forge]

That's fine, all games go through the phase of being judged. it really is the same with most game communities. You haven't seen Final Fantasy communities, they are a hard bunch lol

[sage fern]

Kinda dumb

[sage fern]

It does, I need to see if i can play with it. Not my style though Cx

[sage fern]

Naah 2 of my friends are final fantasy players ones a streamer

I fear them all... their dedication is unbeatable

[little light]

Ultimately I prefer realistic but it’s cool to toggle with for the sake of switching up

[open frost]

Script mods aren't even supported for Paralives. What youre saying will count more for Inzoi at this point who have actively said they're adding script mods so players can help developing content for the game...

[steady forge]

well Paralives right now said they don't support script mods? So this seems to be more of a community issue? Since you can't stop them making if they wanted to

[little light]

They made it sound like they would support scripts from initial launch

[sage fern]

Then I'll admit I got my information wrong. People I spoke to have said, "Paralives is allowing mods from launch, so modders will have a field day and full freedom."

[open frost]

They will allow mods, but not script mods.

They are adding a lot of tools to create stuff for the game though like more personality things, tweaking autonomy, the existing systems

[open frost]

Script mods = making a new system, adding more 'script' to the game.

Theres plenty of other ways to mod a game using the existing systems.

[steady forge]

they said they aren't supporting it because one reason is they will break during EA. which is valid

[open frost]

The modding tools are also gonna be inside the game. So it's basically part of the game.

Kinda like Nraas retuner I guess

That sort of stuff

[steady forge]

mods I guess they mean cc mods. yeah those terms can be confusing at times x.x

[sage fern]

Well, that's fair enough. I do admit I got my information from others talking really excitedly about it (YouTubers included) and also assumed Neon believed its modding tool was better from our previous discussions.

Hence my assumption, so I'll take that.
Which also means that half my theory falls apart shortly.

But apart from that, my concerns still stand (not towards the modding).

When I hear mods unless specified i just think all mods

[open frost]

As an example on the wiki they said you can for example use the in-game mod tools to create new vibes (which is one of their personality things).

Which will be pretty fun if youre able to attach certain autonomous behavior to said custom vibe

[sage fern]

Im gonna assume its bassicly inzois current mods

[open frost]

https://paralives.wiki.gg/wiki/Portal:Modding_guides

This gives you an idea

[steady forge]

I don't know if their modding tool is better but the fact they don't have a modding policy like Inzoi is just a huge plus for me

[sage fern]

Fair enough, I am not a modder, but I'm assuming it's for the money-making aspect of it?

[steady forge]

from inzoi

inzoi can essentially use your mods to train for ai if they wanted to

[open frost]

I think Paralives aims to survive in a similar manner as Hello Games with NMS. They put the game on sale each time they release a major update, market the update and get new sales and revenue from it.

Hello Games was funded by Sony at the beginning and Paralives by Patreon so they're quite similar.

[steady forge]

who wouldn't want that. I mean, though I'm not a professional, just hobbyist, and it doesn't garauntee that many will buy, but that still is a motivator factor

[sage fern]

Oh yup! I remember this was what I was trying to go against. The money was a small earning part of it.

[sage fern]

Nah its not wrong. Its just the easiest reason to remmeber

[open frost]

This is just honestly standard big corporations legal talk to protect themselves from getting into lawsuits.

[sage fern]

Paralives is kinda different though, like they cant afford as big of a market push if u know what i mean

Also an assumption

Because they are indie

[sage fern]

I find it u fair but it makes sense.

I heard sims 4 was worse... but honestly dk how it can be worse than this

[spiral kelp]

yeah and if im honest dont think theyre taking action towards the paid creator on inzoi either loli know since i pay for some modders already thats been around since the beginning of inzoi

[sage fern]

Woah how?

I know u can support some with patreon I saw

[spiral kelp]

think its like sims stance on paywalled content it goes againt tos but sims never does anything about it

[sage fern]

But they gave a free version too

Why put it there then??

[spiral kelp]

nah creator im talking about all their stuff is paywalled

[wary jetty]

I’m pretty sure there are still creators out there who run Patreon pages, and I think you can even set up donations on CurseForge if that plays a big part in what makes you want to mod more. But honestly, I can respect inZOI’s stance on it. I think it goes hand in hand with the idea that gaming should be treated as a hobby first, not mainly as a place to seek income.

[sage fern]

Like i get it for (we can reuse ur content type shizzles) cuz if someone sues krafton for stealing handholding emote

Which is like a normal life sim thing

Idk

[scarlet hearth]

They do allowed a period of early access contents then free after (Sims)

[sage fern]

But for money I dont really get why its there

[foggy plover]

Yes, they only put it there to say that they warn us in case anything happens.

[spiral kelp]

yeah but im talk perma paywall not early access paywall

[sage fern]

Whats the point then im confused

[foggy plover]

That confuses me too, but if it’s free later on, I don't bother care.

[steady forge]

if they do that they don't retain the rights to their mods is what the policy says though

[warped hound]

Is this about paralives?

[steady forge]

that means inzoi can use your mod in any way lol

[sage fern]

What does retraining these right mean as well

[sage fern]

Inzoi

[sage fern]

Oh I thought that was for everyobe regardless

[warped hound]

Ah

[warped hound]

If they monetize the mods though

[sage fern]

They apparently allow a period of early access contents but it has to be free after

[steady forge]

they are being pretty vague..it's all here https://playinzoi.com/en/clause/mods_policy

[warped hound]

Sony as a publisher and Patreon donations are wayyy too different things though.

I do not believe Paralives will receive any major updates after Early Access is over and they officially release the game

At least after a year

No Man's Sky also had a huge marketing team behind it thanks to Sony

Paralives has little to no marketing behind it

The comparison between the two is very much invalid

[steady forge]

it's not the same as everyone else that's a player, they can modify it and use them for any purpose, it's worldwide licensing

[open frost]

Sony wasn't the publisher. They just invested in Hello Games. They're not owning it in any way. Hello Games published NMS independently.

[warped hound]

Oh wait, yeah, you're right, they invested in marketing for No Man's Sky

But then again, the point still stands, NMS had a lot of money behind its marketing

[open frost]

Yeah and considering the game imploded at launch, Hello Games pretty much had to rebuild everything from the ground up

[warped hound]

Pretty much so

[steady forge]

they are relying on infleuncers just like Inzoi, though Inzoi went extra mile with events and giveaways

[warped hound]

I just don't think Paralives can achieve such thing

[spiral kelp]

well thats about every modder though including sims and other games like fivem pre gta buyout. Noone owns their mods. This policy isnt new but doesnt mean its good. But any content you make for games is owned by the game. Also think inzoi was just being straight up about the modding situation lol though would like them to state people can do early access periods we will see though as the game keeps going and enough people speak on it.

[open frost]

I think NMS was a miracle tbh but if Paralives can achieve half as much it'd still be amazing.

The audience is there, we saw Inzoi hit a million copies. They just have to live up to expectations which is difficult lol

[sage fern]

• Mods are allowed
• Mods must be free (no selling or paywalls unless temporary?)
• You must create your own content
• No changing core game code

You still own your mod, but krafton has

• full rights to use it
• can modify it
• distribute it, even commercially

Break the rules and

• You lose your rights to the mod
• Your mod can be removed
• Possible account penalties

[sage fern]

Paralives is doing giveaways i think on smaller scale

[wary jetty]

it's like if someone has ported your mod into another game, you can claim copyright of your mod, if you didn't monetise it

[steady forge]

Yeah I guess that's the reality with most large publishers. That's why I'm interested in seeing if Paralives will be different

[warped hound]

Yeah, inZOI also gave out a lot of free copies to content creators

I still don't really expect any major updates after Paralives is out of early acess, due to their lack of DLC plans, which could have helped them with the development cost

[verbal gulch]

Heh, this came on my Youtube homepage, 6 years ago, showing how important sunlight not going through the ceiling is 😭

[warped hound]

It's still not absolutely impossible though, considering how some of the other indie studios have pulled off updates, for example Green Hell

[foggy plover]

Yeah, and then buying a PC for that one YouTuber who doesn’t even play the game. That was nuts.

[sage fern]

STOP I MISS THIS SO MUCH

[steady forge]

Yeah the account penalty was a big deal. like I don't want to be risky, I prefer to respect the policy, why take the chance

[spiral kelp]

Yeah havent read too much on there mod policies theyre a indie title so am interested to see what they're doing differently little concerned though about the stance on stript mod support but hope that isnt forever look forward to creating there

[sage fern]

Was so cutee T-T

[verbal gulch]

Right?? It looked so good back then 😮

[sage fern]

did firing one person really cause it to fall this much?

[verbal gulch]

Who did they fire? 😮

[sage fern]

I mean we can make a new acc? XD idk....

[sage fern]

Roxane

They said she was being bad or something

[verbal gulch]

Oh lol awks

[sage fern]

Here. People dont really knwo

Like the real reason we dont know

Just what he said and she said

[steady forge]

I think many people have been waiting for script mods for both Inzoi and Paralives, it's just a must have for life sims at this point, I'm sure they won't get totally left out lol

[spiral kelp]

better imagine lol imma need chaos in both my games. We need to unlock the crazy.

[verbal gulch]

Oh yeah no, she does sound toxic in those tweets....

[warped hound]

Script mods will only be not officially supported, but like they have said before, there are already unity decompilation tools which allow script mod.
TLDR; just because they are not officially supporting script mods doesn't mean modders won't be able to create script mods, they absolutely will be able to, there are already tools for it

[sage fern]

She sounds child like... but honestly shes the one fired so she prolly venting

[steady forge]

Nah..even as a last resort. it's just a hassle lol

[spiral kelp]

ahh okay good

[verbal gulch]

Vent in private is fine, don't plaster it all over the internet forever 😅

[sage fern]

For paralives?

[warped hound]

Yeah

[sage fern]

See this is where im confused

[verbal gulch]

Think like Inzoi, Curseforge is official mods, Nexus is un-official mods

[spiral kelp]

nahhhh put it on internet if we dont get drama in the game at least we have it on twitter

[sage fern]

Someone was talking about making what seemed like a script mod.

I guess I'll just wait and see; thinking about it is too much effort. I'm not even planning on playing the game right now.

[cunning jacinth]

it all starts with a sticker

[sage fern]

Oh so that means they can make anything they want but its just not "allowed"

[sage fern]

Ídheis9w LmAoaoaoaoa

BEST baby I miss this so muchAaa

[cunning jacinth]

she wanted to know where I got the image (reddit) and we never stopped talking. eventually I flew across the country and drove back with her

[verbal gulch]

it means they won't support the scripting mods personally, but peeps can use backdoor systems to introduce scripting mods, any game can be modded if your skilled enough

[warped hound]

The script mods won't be allowed in steam workshop, due to them not being created will tools provided by paralives I'd assume

[sage fern]

So no script mods announcement is basically to say, "the game will be imbalanced if you use it right now, but you can."

[scarlet hearth]

💀 Why your pfp now a sticker?

[sage fern]

LMAO, I HAD TO, OKAY? IT WAS NOSTALGIA.

[warped hound]

🤔 wdym by imbalanced

[spiral kelp]

working on the dath method gf pipeline

[sage fern]

Like it might break the game.

[warped hound]

No, that's never been said

[open frost]

Not supporting script mods is nothing new, Sims never supported any mods. Skyrim had no mod support either until legendary edition.

[sage fern]

Huh?! What's this story?! Am I missing something?!

[warped hound]

If the mod is faulty? Sure, it will break your game

It's not some hacky method either

[verbal gulch]

Yeah that! The game doesn't have inbuilt scripting mod tools but you can if you know coding 😅

[open frost]

It's just annoying to constantly have to update script mods with each game update, thats all

[warped hound]

It's a well documented method to create mods

[sage fern]

Okay, so basically, the game does not want to support it. Why?

[warped hound]

Not sure, probably not planned just yet / too much work (?)

[open frost]

Because it's a pain in the butt to provide active tech support for script mods

[verbal gulch]

Same way Inzoi keeps delaying scripting mods, its more difficult since it affects game files

[sage fern]

I get why for inzoi, cuz it needs to make sure people aren't getting into foundational stuff due to their policy....

[sage fern]

So basically they will never have it?

[warped hound]

But then again, they are already allowing people to mess with the game code

which inzoi doesn't allow

[scarlet hearth]

I played other UE game, albeit UE 4 (then) Conan Exiles and have to wait for the author of a big mod to update before jump back in after a patch

[warped hound]

That's never been said

Just that it's not on the table for now

[sage fern]

I'm just thinking tech support will be hard for an indie game...

Or maybe they want to finish groundbreaking bugs first before opening tech support.

[scarlet hearth]

And they still adding/changing gameplay stuff

[warped hound]

That's very true

Both may be true

[sage fern]

Yeah, that's where my assumption is. But people will still make script mods regardless?

[warped hound]

Yeah

Becaused there are already tools for that

Just not official tools

[sage fern]

But there is no tools for inzoo

I?

[scarlet hearth]

Official support is coming this year

[warped hound]

inZOI prohibits messing with the game code

[steady forge]

Not really surprised either game doesn't support script mods now because it's still in early access. we'll see who is the better mods support when they are both out of it

[warped hound]

It's in their modding policy

One of the reasons a lot of people don't want to mod for inzoi

[sage fern]

Fair that makes sense xD prolly silly question. So people cant go behind inzoi back basically

Legally

[warped hound]

Yeah, legally they can't

[sage fern]

But technically they can?

[warped hound]

If they want to break the law, they definitely can

[sage fern]

Good to know lmao xD im understanding better now

[scarlet hearth]

I guess through official support way they can...

[warped hound]

Not worth the risk though, unless you're in russia for example

[sage fern]

XD thanks

[sage fern]

LMAO Fair enough

[sage fern]

?-?

[verbal gulch]

Is it banned because they use the same terms and conditions as PubG ?

[warped hound]

PUBG doesn't even allow modding

It has even harsher restrictions

[scarlet hearth]

-# Imagine the amount of complains even cosmetics atm might break with big updates

[warped hound]

Due to it being a competitive live service game

[verbal gulch]

Yeah but I know SubN uses the same terms as PubG so just figured it might be the same for Inzoi lol

[sage fern]

I dont fully get it q.q

[verbal gulch]

It's ok, here's some crayons 🙂 I jokeee 🤣

[warped hound]

I haven't really bothered reading the EULA myself to be fair

[sage fern]

I need to eat it. I been doing so big brain analysis I need to just be dumb for a min

[warped hound]

But for Subnautica, I see people mentioning that Krafton can sue you if you say negative things about them or subnautica at will

[verbal gulch]

Me neither but its all over some controversy for SubN for no reason ahaha

[sage fern]

Krafton owns sub?

[warped hound]

Yeah

[verbal gulch]

Oh I'm dumb all the time, you should try it 😄

[sage fern]

I had 0 idea o.O

[verbal gulch]

They doooo, and they have to pay them a hefty bonus which they don't wanna do, but that's a wholeeee different story that I won't go into lol

[sage fern]

Its such a pretty game i was planning on getting it if it allowed ps5

[sage fern]

WHY?! THOUGH?! IS THAT LEGAL

[scarlet hearth]

Hmm I might misread but I think it's possible they wait to settle the core gameplay down a bit before support script modding?, at least a way to do it

[sage fern]

oml

[warped hound]

I suppose(?)

[verbal gulch]

(The CEO even used chatGPT to try to get outa the bonus deal, again, wholeee different story but look it up, its funny lol)

[sage fern]

.....Im so confused cuz ee shizzles talk Inzoi all the time with no punishment 😭

[steady forge]

I mean inzoi supports script mods but I saw one complaining that it doesn't allow advanced scripting idk, and it hasn't come yet. speaking of, do we have a new schedule for when it comes?

[sage fern]

I heard lmaooo was so dumb

Because of him Inzoi catching strays

[scarlet hearth]

Only that it got sped up after delayed... and ppl were asked which part of script they wanna mod and reason then send it to the devs? #modding-chat message

[verbal gulch]

yup, Inzoi Cat Hiring Strays

[warped hound]

Companies also care about their public image ya' know

[sage fern]

I actually font know... thought it would be sometime this year though

[warped hound]

Although I'm not sure about inZOI's EULA either

[verbal gulch]

They need to stop being so self conscious and just learn to love themselves 💅

[sage fern]

Yeah but inzoi damaging it reaaaal nice no? Sub looks pretty

I might not have played but been hearing good things

So why protect sub and not inzoi

cuz its submissive and inzoi isnt

Okay thats a joke im sorry xD

[warped hound]

Subnautica 2 is a good game, without any doubt

I'm really not sure about the EULA differences between inZOI and Subnautica 2

Maybe they are very similar but noone bothered reading inZOI EULA?

[river frigate]

Aw

[sage fern]

Thats fair xD

[river frigate]

we need MOREEE

[sage fern]

Makes me wanna throw shade at sub

[warped hound]

Just hope for some russian modder 👍🏻

[river frigate]

i need cracked and bored cs students to hop on the game

they will carry

[fossil meadow]

Paralives is officially out in early access

[stiff hill]

i was watching the chat and was remembering trauma from inzoi release

[fossil meadow]

Is the Paralives discord on fire? Like I said nobody could pay me to mod nowadays

[stiff hill]

i wish theyd put the slowdown to 5 mins its that bad LMAO

[fossil meadow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/morgan-freeman-true-when-the-group-chat-is-true

The whole chat be like

[stiff hill]

im lucky i got it before steam crashed

but then again i added funds to my wallet

[fossil meadow]

Steams still up for me

[stiff hill]

they were expecting it to crash

[fossil meadow]

Is it just funds processing down?

[stiff hill]

idk tbh, i went thru right away with wallet

[pliant tree]

🙂

[fossil meadow]

Yeah I didn't have any issues but I did get it ASAP

[crimson brook]

How the game 👀

[fossil meadow]

It has a 10% discount too

[crimson brook]

Ooo I need a discount

[fossil meadow]

It's been out for 6 minutes 😭

[pliant tree]

So far its the same as any other game.. Downloading.

[stiff hill]

i was expecting 40 tbh was not expecting $35

[fossil meadow]

It's actually downloading relatively fast for my slow internet

I think Inzoi took hours

[stiff hill]

mines botta be done

[spiral kelp]

the game is so good wow omg (havent even downloaded it yet)

[open frost]

Wooo I'm excited! Loading the town now

[fossil meadow]

Discounts only until start of June

[stiff hill]

cmon 1 more percent

[pliant tree]

Im still aheaed of you 🙂
But yea its a fairly small download 🙁

[open frost]

Here we are let's goooo

[fossil meadow]

Yeah my internet is slow slow I have time to think loading images sometimes

[covert niche]

it looks cute!

[fossil meadow]

Get that 2000s thing going where I can see the image load line by line like a printer

[stiff hill]

steam wontt load the last percent cmmmon

[scarlet hearth]

done also late for food lol

[pliant tree]

Wow the servers musta gotten slammed cause it slowed down alot here.

[crimson brook]

The intern gave us a discount yay

[stiff hill]

[near oak]

oh wow Paralives!!! let's see what bugs we run into haha

[stiff hill]

if steam ever finishes the dl

[fossil meadow]

I need to finish my trinity of Dexters
(Sims 4 is very modded lmao)

[stiff hill]

IT DONE

[near oak]

ngl i thought the first one was paralives... i was like that was fast!

[crimson brook]

Me buying the game before they change the price back 😭

[pliant tree]

Got my first Parlaives drop!

[fossil meadow]

I do like using comic in my shaders which is why I don't mind how the paras look
I just wish paras matched their enviroment better and vice versa
Since this shader adds comic lines to everything

[fossil meadow]

Also the real test is how good is Paralives scars
Dexter's my OC who canonally has burns down one side of his face
I had to mimic it with Inzoi which is why he has a birthmark instead

And I could only put it on the wrong side of his face

[stiff hill]

https://tenor.com/view/epico-gif-10005337172608430078

[pliant tree]

I set my measurement units to Bannanas

[fossil meadow]

chugging along

[ionic matrix]

anyone trying out paralives today?

[stiff hill]

lots of us

[pliant tree]

Hahah

[fossil meadow]

I do want to give Paralives a good go but I do feel it's not the game for me overall
I really like autonomy and I can see chance cards really getting in the way of that

[crimson brook]

The longest 1 percent of my life

[fossil meadow]

The fact even 5GB takes this long for me

I've been downloading since 2 minutes past the hour

[ionic matrix]

i'm sure there's a way to change it, or maybe they'll add a way to customize it later

[pliant tree]

OMG thats all the 'video' optoins. LMAO folks will be besides themselves! Where are reay tracing wyhere is AA etc.

[crimson brook]

We in baby

Main screen Looks good on my gaming computer

[stiff hill]

i just hovered over the skin color on accident woah

[fossil meadow]

From what I've seen there's no way to change it
Chance cards are the only way to socialise unless you want to do like kiss, hug, Paralives version of woohoo
And they won't grow relationships unless you actively click to get a chance card after they converse for a few in-game minutes

It is subject to change but currently the feature is as is something I see as fun at first but something that'll grow stale with time

People have also had issues where their paras talk about every day stuff before having a breakup
Since you have to wait for the chance card to come up

[silver pike]

baby dont throw stones in a glass house 😭

[stiff hill]

demon eyes interestingg

[fossil meadow]

74%

I am so desperate to move house

I physically can't get faster internet

Unless I want the like
Satellite ones the Starlink one

[scarlet hearth]

Back anyone finish the game?

[ionic matrix]

true true... i guess time will tell how people like the chance cards

[fossil meadow]

They keep promising new fiber optic cables will be put in but I've heard that for over a decade now

[stiff hill]

wym we just started

[fossil meadow]

I'll think they'll remain divisive tbh
Some people will absolutely love them others will loathe them depending on play style

[crimson brook]

I like the loading music so far but damn this screen taking long

Okay it just started

[fossil meadow]

less than a minute left

[pliant tree]

aaawdYea it compiles shaders but does not mention it.

[scarlet hearth]

-# They fixed the Steam here just in time for the release...

[pliant tree]

Hrm so game started with a male and I changed it to femail but they still have a male icon and a beard?

[crimson brook]

I like the little tutorial with the conductor it was cute

[stiff hill]

full body greenscreen outfit lmao

[fossil meadow]

Me when I eat the uranium

[crimson brook]

Who wearing that

[scarlet hearth]

Looks like CF also have Paralives section

[pliant tree]

Well thats one way to modest screen

[stiff hill]

oh? hopefully the app works

[fossil meadow]

Okay bye bye guys I'm going to make one Dexter ™

[pliant tree]

So I created this femail Para but cant change her icon card ?

[lime monolith]

For y'all with Paralives, how is the lag? I wanna buy it, but I dont think I can deal with constant stuttering every 10 seconds.

[stiff hill]

it lagged in opening but otherwise nada

[pliant tree]

Havent seen any lag yet but Im not a fair comparison

[near oak]

u mean her portrait. that's a bug i think

[fossil meadow]

I think a lot of people are still in the beginning of the game
It's overworld/live mode that seems to have the issues

[keen acorn]

I saw some reviewers have stuttering, I think it depends on hardware. Buy it, see how it runs, refund if it doesn't run well. You can refund on Steam in under 2 hrs of playtime

[pliant tree]

It changed when I went to live mode.

[stiff hill]

prob a bug mine is fine

[pliant tree]

Well if thats the worst bug were in good shape!

[lime monolith]

Yeah I saw youtubers with a RtX 5090 having pretty bad lag in live mode, which is why I'm concerned

[stiff hill]

why the pb shirt

[stiff hill]

i have a 6650xt and have not lagged yet in para creator, or the tutorial live mode

[keen acorn]

Reviewers I saw only got lag once they got to the city. It didn't seem awful tho, just typical unoptimised early access. Will prob get patched fast

[pliant tree]

Im still on the train 😄

[stiff hill]

not they amogus

[fossil meadow]

I have a RTX 4070 and I'm having a bit start and stop on the train

[near oak]

yea i think the lag is inevitable once ur in live mode. it esp does it when you are loading a lot

[pliant tree]

Weird I did not notice any

[fossil meadow]

It might be things still loading in for me though

[pliant tree]

Im loading intothe city now. There were a couplea load lags but nothing irratable.

[fossil meadow]

That said though my drivers are out of date because if I update them I won't be able to play FFXIV anymore because newest Nvidia graphics updates break some games (yippieeeeee)

[pliant tree]

Hrm how to choose a house ...

[scarlet hearth]

Nice music tbh

[pliant tree]

Okay.. booo! Im in the city and the stutters are bad!

[stiff hill]

im laggin a little but not too bad

[keen acorn]

Damn I had that happen to me with Wuthering Waves a couple months back, but no issues with XIV thankfully

[pliant tree]

Also not a huge fan of hte camer control

What? You cant 'go there' from the map? Sigh booooo

[scarlet hearth]

Confusing in the mods menuI'll be trying for a while

[crimson brook]

I already notice a bug in creator 😉

The eye color for the iris turns the white of eye grey

[river frigate]

Are you the guy who made all them hair mods

[pliant tree]

Mayor Gloomberg.. wow how original and edgy.... not. 😄

[crimson brook]

I'm recording as I play lol

[fossil meadow]

Sorry baby boy looks like you won't get your face burns again this time (This is all face scar options turned on)

TBH even Sims 4 I have to mod it in

[scarlet hearth]

-# I made a couple...

[stiff hill]

my rendering distance is pretty high, thats prob causing the lag

[river frigate]

Ou slay

[pliant tree]

So I chose the 'go home' action. Wanted to see the new home.
However she ended up in an alley.

[river frigate]

she must be homeless

[crimson brook]

Y'all I suck at making the eyes

[river frigate]

OH!

[stiff hill]

lmao

[pliant tree]

What? They told the AI 'close friends' !

[scarlet hearth]

...

[zenith dirge]

Can’t play, electric company decided to be a b!tch and have rotational blackouts. How is it for everyone else?

Fck it’s hot as balls, I’m melting and super pissed

[crimson brook]

My bf says I spend to much time in creator 😂😭

[zenith dirge]

meh, you and every other life sim player ever

The challenge is actually sticking around for a month without being bored after the hype wears off

[stiff hill]

-# "can you hear me over there?"

[near oak]

she looks pretty

[stiff hill]

ty

[zenith dirge]

Hmmm…I dunno looks like a respectable distance to me

[pliant tree]

"Get a job" Okay cool ... how?

[stiff hill]

buy a pc or use phone (which im still figuring out

[pliant tree]

What? she went to go in the library and warped back into the park

[zenith dirge]

I can hear the reviews already coming in and most of them will be comparing it to Sims 4 and saying it’s buggier or something

[stiff hill]

there are body pillows im dead

[zenith dirge]

Body pillows you say?

[pliant tree]

Yea lots and lots of loading lag starting to get on my nerves already

[stiff hill]

click on your para

[pliant tree]

w@stiff hill You can use a computer at the library.

[stiff hill]

yah i just bought a computer

[pliant tree]

I figured it was cheaper this way but it seems liek starting money is not a real issue.

[stiff hill]

ngl while it looks terribly shiny, it look yummy

[crimson brook]

Making a baddie in paralives lmao

I like how you can layer your eyeshadow if you want to

[covert niche]

Jin I love her!

[stiff hill]

ill share more pics haha

[pliant tree]

Hrm sledgehammer mode doesent work.

[crimson brook]

Y'all like my fit?

[fossil meadow]

Okay I guess this is my holy trinity
I'll probably revisit Paralives once I know Paramaker better

[pliant tree]

The not being able to go somewhere from the map is pissing me off.

[pliant tree]

Inzoi flash back. Random dude just walks into my house!

[crimson brook]

Kawaii 😍

[foggy plover]

The dude from the train.

[limpid plover]

It's way too cheap 697 baht in Thailand.

[pliant tree]

Someone she met.. Kareem or somesuch

[warped hound]

The paralives one looks too simplistic for some reason 😭

[river frigate]

the sims lighting......

[warped hound]

Anime body pillows 🙏🏻

[crimson brook]

They have toe nail polish 😍

[pliant tree]

OMG wth now the guy is using my shower!

[stiff hill]

they are practically that

[limpid plover]

Trying my own working laptop

[warped hound]

They are freaky

[pliant tree]

And now the guy is sleeping in a bed in my house! WTF!

[royal surge]

I remember you. You do 3D modelling right? Hope you can join us!

[warped hound]

Living rent free

[fossil meadow]

I do wish this had more options
My boy's good at being creative and that's it but because of the point system it feels weird to have to put something in mind
Like it's like saying he's half smart (he isn't)

[crimson brook]

I spent 35 minutes in creator that's not bad

[fossil meadow]

He's also not very physical either I'd love to have that blank but I have to spend all the points

[pliant tree]

You cant just click a need and have them take care of it?

[fossil meadow]

Yeye though I tend to only 3D model nowadays for professional reasons or personal use

[crimson brook]

Now I don't feel like playing the game 😂 had too much fun in creator

It not letting me save cause I'm still in tutorial

[fossil meadow]

I wish it was like Sims 2 point system where there was more points to spend since this feels too little option with too much points to spend

[royal surge]

Well the modding scene in para seems exciting so if you're interested check out the modding channel there!

[crimson brook]

Who did y'all pick?

[pliant tree]

Hrm this buidlign thing. Cant figure it out.

[stiff hill]

i did the lady cause i want to try the middle experience

[limpid plover]

Let's make the attorney woo. LOL

[crimson brook]

Ahhhhh

[pliant tree]

I chose the doggy since Im a lamer

[crimson brook]

I'm finally in the game lmao. I was gonna choose the dog cause I like the dog

[pliant tree]

Okay wth I cant do anything in the build mode!

[fossil meadow]

I chose lady to start just because she seems to be the balanced recommend one so I wanted to see how the devs think the game should be played like first

I'll probably switch to custom eventually

[scarlet hearth]

My model doesn't show... probably too quick and missed something

[pliant tree]

Items must be within my lot.. uhh.. this is my lot.. wtf

[crimson brook]

Spent 40 minutes in creator 😂

I'ma stop here

[crimson brook]

Oh no here we go 😭

[pliant tree]

I just spend like 10 minutes tryhing to hang a gd painting!

[crimson brook]

They gonna need a cheat to add stuff off the lot

[pliant tree]

cant even put a freakin chair down.

[crimson brook]

And grids for buy items

[stiff hill]

where u tryna put it?

[median vigil]

still on making my para in creator trying to make myself 😄

[pliant tree]

On the floor in myu lot. Keeps sayin it has to be on my lot. See the pic above

[stiff hill]

well ik i was tryna see a ss of where lmfao

[pliant tree]

Wait a sec why does the chair not show up inthat shot???

[median vigil]

looking abit more like me

[crimson brook]

Is there a limit on how many things you can put on your lot

[stiff hill]

its not highlighted no

[pliant tree]

Heh for me right now the limit is none!

[limpid plover]

It's playable on my working laptop without discrete GPU

[fossil meadow]

Paras can have dyspraxia like me
I too sometimes miss my mouth and stab myself with a fork when eating

[pliant tree]

So like is building mode locked or something?

[fossil meadow]

I also don't know why when sad one of the options to react is to flirt

[pliant tree]

It will only let me put stuff oustide my house!

[stiff hill]

no should be able to use it

maybe ask for help in the para server? albeit its a madhouse rn

[pliant tree]

Cant use the sledge hammer either.

[sage fern]

Hows it going people who are playing

[stiff hill]

i see it, you chose an empty lot lol not the house

[pliant tree]

So you cant edit your house.. wth! Thats messed up. One of my wants is to add a decorative item.

[stiff hill]

you can. You just chose an empty lot

[pliant tree]

No thats just wrong. I bought the house I cant freakin change it... messed up

[stiff hill]

you didnt if you look at the lines in your image

[pliant tree]

?

[stiff hill]

that outline is where your lot is

[spiral kelp]

what in the early inzoi is going on

[pliant tree]

Yea I can put stuff outside my house but cant even hang a damn painting!

[stiff hill]

you bought an empty lot modem

[sage fern]

At least it can have a belly T-T

[pliant tree]

Hrm so why am I in this house?

[fossil meadow]

Tried to talk to one guy
He just kept walking despite leaving my guy waiting for him
Went to talk to a new lady
She turned around then popped out of existience
Tried with Sebastian but he walked into an oncoming train (he's fine though he just phased through it)

[sage fern]

Maybe it pre loaded?

[stiff hill]

my guess is you can enter that persons house. byt your lot is the empty one cause that one on my end is owned by others

[sage fern]

LMAO

[pliant tree]

Ah geeze okay lemme try again.

[sage fern]

Hey at least he didnt die plot ammor

[fossil meadow]

These paras will do anything but chat with the new guy in town

[pliant tree]

Hrm so you can just walk into anyh paras home like you freakin live there!

[sage fern]

They have to do pushup they need them gains

[toxic ginkgo]

👀

[sage fern]

[fossil meadow]

Yeah chance cards are not it in x1 speed

[sage fern]

Yup, saw it in videos lol

[sage fern]

?

[median vigil]

have you created a para tony?

[stiff hill]

seems high heels arent very collisioned yet

[sage fern]

Nice legs??....

[fossil meadow]

Waits
"I'm new to town (sad)"
waits
"What do you want in life"
Waits
"Do you like politics"
There's an in-game time 30 minute wait until the next conversation

[stiff hill]

i was pointing out the clipping

[fossil meadow]

I've seen say conversation is boring and brag about wants 3 times already as well

[sage fern]

Yeah maybe its the card game style xD

[sage fern]

Ik xD I think the floor has a foot fetish

[stiff hill]

the dress clips too when they run

[toxic ginkgo]

Nah I didn’t buy it

[sage fern]

How long u been playing? Maybe its one of them thing u get used to

[pliant tree]

Ah man jobs are rabbit holes 🙁

[hasty bluff]

I just got paralives although I love inzoi how are you guys liking it

[sage fern]

Yeah we discussing it just now

[sage fern]

Did u go into this blind? XD

[median vigil]

i've yet to get into the world im picking an out fit 😅

[near oak]

Its such a cute little game but man is it stuttering

[toxic ginkgo]

Waiting for @median vigil to do a let’s play on YouTube

[fossil meadow]

Not very long but that's the thing I'm getting it back to back each conversation and it's only my first day
This is a 2 and a half hour conversation as well

[hasty bluff]

Lol not stuttering should I get my refund now 😂

[pliant tree]

Mine stuttered alot at first.

[fossil meadow]

Like again I'm getting these options over and over

[sage fern]

In real time???

[stiff hill]

maybe lessen the draw distance, depending on the pc its very high

[fossil meadow]

Nah in-game time

[sage fern]

Aaa fair

[near oak]

Yea Im about to chexk my settings now

[sage fern]

Makes sense. That sounds fustrating xD

[median vigil]

am to shy for that tony maybe one day 😄

[stiff hill]

i jumped into para semi blind but its what i expected

[pliant tree]

Heh how can the draw distance be high when the townis tiny 😄

[stiff hill]

cause you can see hella far

[vale zealot]

Iam reading reviews from steam

[desert valve]

How you liking the game so far @stiff hill ?

[pliant tree]

f11Oops?

[stiff hill]

its fun, spending too much time talking to paras

[vale zealot]

Not many reviews yet, but it's not looking good right now

[fossil meadow]

Okay I timed it and it takes 30 seconds per conversation

[stiff hill]

not surprised but also people have been bagging on the game since before it came out

[fossil meadow]

Before you get to pick a chance card

[pliant tree]

Do not rely on steam reviews. There always tilted and there are coordinated efforts to reveiw bomb the game.

[desert valve]

She cute ..

[median vigil]

thank you 🙂

[marble nebula]

i mean thats kinda expected yea, the same happened to inzoi

[fossil meadow]

I'd wait at least a week to check steam reviews

They'll get balanced out

Right now it's people who are buying games, played for less than 2 hours

[pliant tree]

Happens with every game. Steam reviews are a bleeping joke. Hell half the people dont even own the game.

[toxic ginkgo]

right lool prettiest para i seen so far

[stiff hill]

-# just like a quarter of the reviews for inzoi are people complaining bout stuff thatll get fixed

[median vigil]

yeh right but thanks 😄

[sage fern]

How? Link?

[pliant tree]

Dayum I just got through explaining why steam reviews are worthless and yall want to seek them out?

[desert valve]

lol wow negative reviews already ?didn’t the game come out like a hour ago?folks don’t play

[median vigil]

im stuck on what necklace i wanna put on 💀

[fossil meadow]

Day one and I'm already friends and a romantic interest with Sebastian from one conversation

Because chance cards really wanted me to flirt especially

[sage fern]

Lmaooo

[desert valve]

Yess ..I like how para looks without the weird lines in the face .

[sage fern]

Are u maybe on the

Uhh easy mode?

[fossil meadow]

The balanced mode

[stiff hill]

thats the same with this guy but if you do a lot of friendly actions before it you are more likely to succeed w them

[sage fern]

Fair

[stiff hill]

@vale zealot steam links are blocked in server due to scams

[pliant tree]

Hrm... okay

[sage fern]

Hows personality of each one

[stiff hill]

or at least community ones

[sage fern]

This is so weird....

[stiff hill]

jakes more gloomy and mines energetic so it kinda works

[sage fern]

Is that a child?

[pliant tree]

Like a little tiny halfing or some such.

[marble nebula]

i think im gonna wait for a few updates to come out before getting the game

[median vigil]

yeh so far im liking it although its hard for me to decide on the clothes 😄 and im still at it picking stuff out

[fossil meadow]

Day one

These are wants btw

[stiff hill]

damn proposal on day 1

[median vigil]

how is everybody liking the game play so far?

[fossil meadow]

But I'm in a relationship with Sebastian now and my boy wants marriage, moving in and babies

[pliant tree]

Oh cool the shops has stuff you can actually buy and put in your home etc.

[stiff hill]

takin a break to go eat

[fossil meadow]

I can see chance cards being my biggest killer tbh which is why I wanted to test them

[desert valve]

That’s me with any game ..I can never pick a hair or out 🤣🤣

[desert valve]

Lmfoao these steam folks not playing .

[stiff hill]

bruh they gotta expect bugs in an early access game

[sage fern]

Our reviews in comparison during launch

AI slop
Bad optimisation
Soulless crap

[scarlet hearth]

They barely played it

[foggy plover]

Damn they are people already Bedtime story for the game.

[stiff hill]

server is pg

[near oak]

Yea steam reviews haven't been reliable for years now

[fossil meadow]

About 45 minutes of gameplay btw
Which is why I'd give it a few days to see how the reviews steady

[stiff hill]

that mod is not allowed to be talked about in server

[desert valve]

Lmfaoo it’s the refund trick/scam 😂 ..I think u get like 2 hour limit for a refund

[fossil meadow]

0.7 hours is about 45 minutes

[limpid plover]

I think InZOI is better at launch

[foggy plover]

Sorry, I will deletct it.

[sage fern]

It is reliable to see people's opinion on it and where division lies.

However, it's not a marker for how good a game is.

[sage fern]

U played it?

[median vigil]

yet to read the steam reviews are they crazy 😄

[vale zealot]

InZOI was at 87% positive at first. The negative reviews came later.

[fossil meadow]

Like I can see the issues with Paralives and I can see it, at least in this state, not being for me
Especially with the chance cards
But I do want to give it a good few hours before making a final conclusion on it as is

[sage fern]

Thats true was a flood of fhem as well q.q

[vale zealot]

paralives is now 61% positive

[near oak]

Inzoi was pretty optimized at the start as well

[fossil meadow]

I'm a 1x speed player and man waiting 30 seconds per conversation gives me too much time to think

[near oak]

So the cracks didn't immediately show🤣

[limpid plover]

Playing, I like that the game can be able to run on my working laptop.

[desert valve]

Lmfaoo my messy ahh about to read para Reddit thread ..I just know they will be upset about the negative reviews 😂💀

[median vigil]

yeh i said the reviews would be mixed turns out i was right atleast for now

[limpid plover]

Both games are still better than TS4 for me.

[toxic ginkgo]

inzoi is a good game at da end of da day, just still being worked on fr

[fossil meadow]

I do think Paralives will have a core audience that'll stick through it during early access like we do with Inzoi
But refunds can impact indies way more, especially if they're brand new studios

And I can see them getting a lot of refunds

[toxic ginkgo]

almost a decade of loyal supporters, ppl locked in so ye

[fossil meadow]

Also like Inzoi originally man it doesn't even speed up when all paras are asleep 1x speeding my way through night right now

1x play for Paralives isn't it

This is at least a 2x or 3x day time speed game

[stiff hill]

I play on 1x they run pretty fast. Night I speed thru tho

[fossil meadow]

It's more chance cards that's really going to kill 1x speed play for me
It's 30 seconds per conversation to choose an option

[sage fern]

I think I appreciate that we don't have a height slider right now.

[hasty bluff]

That definitely looks odd

[fossil meadow]

When you want to sniff your partners armpit in the middle of the night

Like in terms of bugs and things missing (like weather, etc) it's about how I expected but I find gameplay speed very slow unless you actively speed it up

[desert valve]

Lmfaoo exactly those patreon supporters ain’t leaving

[desert valve]

Lmfaooo omg

[hasty bluff]

As much money they spent oh I would riot on still how less they got

[toxic ginkgo]

u wrong for stuffing them in dat lul bed

[fossil meadow]

I can't see me telling the stories I want to tell but so far the game itself isn't telling me a compelling one either (unlike rimworld)

Like I said day one and I'm in a relationship with Sebastian

[sage fern]

Guys, they do have money/influence. They partnered with Among Us. But also

[toxic ginkgo]

its like this thing where ppl feel invested, and gonna see anything thru regardless

[sage fern]

[fossil meadow]

Even though my boy was sad and has the gloomy trait he just wants to flirt every conversation regardless

[desert valve]

Exactly they should’ve got a discount ..

[sage fern]

Oh i just got it off someone else

[fossil meadow]

And it's personality system is more
"Flirts sadly" than impacting conversation properly

[toxic ginkgo]

oh lool

[hasty bluff]

You mean free

[sage fern]

LMAO

Flirts sadly is crazy

[lime monolith]

I'm kinda glad I held off now. This feels less like early access and more like it needed more time to cook. The build mode and paramaker seem cool though. Also the constant chance cards at night would annoy me.

[desert valve]

I would’ve called my bank and tell them it was a romantic scam 😂😢 😭

[hasty bluff]

😂😂 my ribs

[sick hamlet]

Is she pregnant of a para baby or is she pregnant of a food baby?

[fossil meadow]

My boy: I'm such a miserable sad boy who nobody will love. I'll be alone forever. FML
Sebastian:

[loud glade]

heeelp paralives amoung us collab

[sick hamlet]

Is anyone playing paralives here?

If so, how is it?

[spiral kelp]

that just good ole genetics

[sage fern]

Henry is and apparently Sebastian like sad hot bois

[toxic ginkgo]

lotta folks playin rn not me tho

[sick hamlet]

Oh boy 😭

[toxic ginkgo]

paralivesxinzoi?

[sick hamlet]

Me neither i’m tempted to play it but also completely underwhelmed idk 🫩

[toxic ginkgo]

same fr

[lime monolith]

Lots of people playing it. I'm holding off til the game gets more optimized, the storyteller cards become optional, and the lag gets reduced by a lot.

[sage fern]

(I dont think the baby is hers)

[sage fern]

Pls no.. too uncanny valley

[scarlet hearth]

-# Looks like ppl not able to import a mesh in just yet could be Blender version mismatch or the rig

[sick hamlet]

Why the baby in the ground like that? 😭

[covert niche]

cartoonish asl but best approximation in 20 mins or less bc i really wanna play HAHA

[sage fern]

Good job!

[covert niche]

I was disappointed in the short hair variants tbh. this was the only one that fit

[covert niche]

thank you!

[sage fern]

The ground is where paras live. They lay on it. Walk on it. And pushup on it.

Paras and the ground are 1

[sick hamlet]

Oh poor thing 🫩💔

[fossil meadow]

I think today I'll play as intended and then tomorrow play it with everything custom to my liking and see how it is
But I do think the gameplay loop is how I feared where it's already repetitive and also isn't giving the personality promised
Like I don't get why my boy's incredibly sad and able to flirt
It's just flirt (gloomy) instead

[sage fern]

They even sink into it

[sage fern]

Its a ritual every child must go through

[fossil meadow]

His sad wants always include flirt with who ever you just spoke too

[late abyss]

lolol

[sage fern]

Try another paragraph maybe

PARA

[fossil meadow]

Like this man has a lover but met someone else and instantly is like
MAN THIS SOLENE THOUGH RIGHT? RIP SEBASTIAN

[sick hamlet]

I saw the push ups.. why? 😭🫩

Sims 4 flashbacks

[sage fern]

Lmao real!!

[sick hamlet]

Nightmare-ish 😭

[sage fern]

Now I wanna test such a plot with someone on inzoi

[sick hamlet]

Paras are extremely flirty i see 🤣 they just always try to grab their chances with just anyone LOL

[fossil meadow]

Day 2
I did fail it but I also didn't get the failed proposal animation we saw in teaser posts

They just did the exact same normal conversation bit

[sick hamlet]

I feel like the cards are gonna be limited though 💔

What if i wanna plot twist and break their heart?

Drag them by their hair, fight them, break up

[foggy plover]

In photo mode, you can move your Para and other Paras out of the way if they’re in the way. I need Kjun to implement this in Inzoi.

[fossil meadow]

Despite failing propose once in this conversation
Second time came with a 64% chance of success
Still day 2

[stiff hill]

eh i think paras style fits a certain niche of people that enjoy stories

[median vigil]

the food looks good

[fossil meadow]

Also weirdly the relationship tags don't evolve
So Sebastian's my romantic interest lover Fiancé

We're acquaintance friends too

[loud glade]

Joey Drew

[fossil meadow]

Also they don't meet each other's lips when kissing

hugs look alright though

[latent stream]

im waiting to try out paralives until some of the bugs and what not get fixed, but seeing some tell others to change their review on steam to a positive one bc it'll hurt the game is so funny 😭

[pliant tree]

A peek into the underworld?

[sage fern]

I love stories too, but this feels more limited than great.

Perhaps guidance for what happens would be nice? But most times its kinda meh and keeps u stuck in gameplay loop of what the game has suggested for u

Then again I dont play RPGs because the stories always feel generic "u are the main char, safe the world"

[near oak]

It feels more unpredictable to me, which I like.

[stiff hill]

i love rpgs so thats prob why i find it fits a certain niche

[foggy plover]

Everyone and their mothers are playing Paralives on twitch.

[loud glade]

frr

[sage fern]

Possibly

[sage fern]

From what I have seen.. its a bit too predictable

[near oak]

I guess. I do love this card system tho

[fossil meadow]

That's the thing is I don't feel it does either playstyel well
If you want to tell your own story, you're incredibly limited
If you want it to tell you a story, it either gets repetitive fast or the game really wants you to flirt, fight or have the most generic conversation possible regardless of emotion

[sage fern]

Yeah thats why its a certain niche I guess. Some people would love it cuz card game like

But it is shallow and predictable while trying to convince us its not

[near oak]

To you it's shallow but to others it is not

[fossil meadow]

So far only personality impacting chance cards I can see is it gives you the same options but it's only now you do it gloomy

[sick hamlet]

Haha, this is actually funny. Remind me of the sims 3 where they just abandon the baby on the dusty ground

[zenith dirge]

They knew each other for only 2 days?

[fossil meadow]

Flirt always still comes up for me when my boy's sad

[fossil meadow]

Yep

[near oak]

I've only played for about an hour or so, but we'll see how it feels more hours in

[sage fern]

Mayhap

Eg.
The chance system is technically already in Sims games. You flirt and hopefully succeed. If you know the person, there's a higher likelihood; if you build a relationship, there's a higher likelihood. If they are compatible, there's a higher likelihood.

However, with Paralives, you see it, so it feels like something is happening, especially with the wheel, like gambling.

[stiff hill]

mustve really liked that apple

[sage fern]

Honestly I think thats kinda smart

[zenith dirge]

Hmmm needs more drama where’s the backstabbing? The infidelity? The blood feud? Give me passion, drama, angst

[fossil meadow]

The secret to gameplay is how it communicates to you rather than how it actually plays
Inzoi has some really good systems but I find it really still struggles to communicate a lot of it
Though the teams made great strides in that

[stiff hill]

prob comes in the more challenging storyteller

[zenith dirge]

Meh tbf in Sims you can propose in…10 minutes

[covert niche]

my para is sobbing against her kitchen counter HAHA

[zenith dirge]

Well no maybe 2 sim hours

[spiral kelp]

made her and then realize i have 4 more outfits and have to put every piercing back on her

[covert niche]

she looks great!

[sage fern]

Exactly! And that's the problem. Inzpi does not convey it well enough.

I love this game analysis thing we got going on here no cap

[zenith dirge]

There’s just one thing I need to know

[sage fern]

Shes sick

[zenith dirge]

Can we still imprison people in basements for slave labour?

[loud glade]

woaah she looks so cool

[fossil meadow]

I'm on balanced and I do think part of the issue is Paralives needs fall really slow even on balanced mode
So I can just talk 5-6 hours straight in game before even needing to think about leaving it
Which doesn't help either

[stiff hill]

mine had glasses on every outfit so i think the accessories if you do em via the body/face category they stay on

[sage fern]

???????

[stiff hill]

i think hes referring to locking sims in the basement to die?

[sick hamlet]

What? 😭

[sick hamlet]

If your talking about inZOI probably yes

[sage fern]

LMAOAOPAPA OKAY

[fossil meadow]

I will say the world is gorgeous

[zenith dirge]

I know that. I burned, drowned, etc. a lot of people in inZOI already. What about this new game?

[covert niche]

a PLAIN bagel is certainly...a choice...

[sage fern]

Its got cream cheese just missing a salmon T-T

[stiff hill]

-# i think the white is cream cheese

[sick hamlet]

I’ve seen basement in Paralives, so yupp probably yes lol

Is Paralives gameplay somehow good?

Wait i think i need to ask this 3 days later

[median vigil]

the mirror is the most cursed thing 🤣

[stiff hill]

[sage fern]

I thought that was the back of the hair

XD

[median vigil]

no its the face lmao im crying

[zenith dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/maniacle-evil-laugh-laughing-laugh-mwhahaha-gif-9335539

[sage fern]

Close enough

[foggy plover]

Wow, Lilsimsies have made it into the charts. The viewers numbers are insane. Inzoi will never get an advert like that.

[zenith dirge]

This would be so much better if there was a gif of Queen Dad working Dinkleberg to death…

[sage fern]

Yup never

[near oak]

Yes Lilsimsie is not touching Inzoi w a ten foot pole

[fossil meadow]

We're still in the discovery phase but for me personality I think it's really slow especially when socialising and even when my boys sad, in negative mood and is just friends with someone is able to propose on day 2
And my boy's not set up to be good at romance but he's the most flirty person even when miserable

[sage fern]

Nah true underdog is Inzoi no cap

[fossil meadow]

And even sad gloomy romance options are giving me 50%+ success rates

[sage fern]

Try for at least a week worths gameplay if u arent thinking of a refund

[fossil meadow]

Wait gkfjhgfkjgjfgj
I moved in Sebastian and he abandoned his son

[sage fern]

WAIT what?! His son lives alone?!

[near oak]

I love how fast 3 speed is. I need Inzoi to have this

[fossil meadow]

I'm checking now

[sage fern]

U couldn't move him and his son?

[sage fern]

Inzoi might die i think

XF

[near oak]

Inzois days feel so long sometimes. Even on 48 min lol. A fast speed would do me wonders

[fossil meadow]

It just automatically moved Sebastian in and now when I try to find Eli on the map it's showing me a building I can't load in

[near oak]

Eli is now the first official missing child of Paralives

[zenith dirge]

He’s dead…he’s totes gonna die

[sage fern]

For me its the opposite i feel like they spend so much of their day on work or something else that the day is already finnished

I actually wanted to do longer days

[fossil meadow]

HE LEFT ELI IN A BOARDED UP ABANDONED HOUSE

[sage fern]

Intentional gameplay? Child abuse or a bug

[zenith dirge]

Holy crap I haven’t even made a character yet and I love this game already

[fossil meadow]

Invited Eli over to the new house and also watched him get run over by the train

[zenith dirge]

[fossil meadow]

(again just a visual phasing in through a moving train)

[royal surge]

yeah the team is small and there are tons of bugs. But the community will help them fix it

[fossil meadow]

Okay Eli does live alone

RIP Eli sorry your dad's mine now we're starting our own family

[scarlet hearth]

-# And you can see him in there

[sage fern]

Uh, I'm sorry, but this is exactly what I was arguing. If you mean modders, they should only temporarily help, not fully replace what devs are meant to do.

[fossil meadow]

Day 3 and I'm already the toxic step parent

[sage fern]

Why not adopt him?

[royal surge]

Well I don't mind helping them myself. Already debugging a few issues

[fossil meadow]

RIPPPP I WENT INTO THE HOUSEHOLD AND ELI GOT TAKEN AWAY BY SOCIAL SERVICES

[pliant tree]

Man all my para does is sleep

[fossil meadow]

Sons gone gone

[sage fern]

Oh boi good by to the main char. I guess thats the end of that story

[royal surge]

that's wild

[stiff hill]

https://tenor.com/view/magma-why-did-you-send-that-to-coolkid-gif-16513603914538686406

[sage fern]

That's okay, and it's because you are nice. But you being nice does not take away from their responsibilities as developers of the game.

[stiff hill]

tryna find all these mushrooms is hard

[fossil meadow]

I actually reloaded because I wanted to see if Eli does live by himself

[pliant tree]

So you cant satisfy a need by clicking on it?

[royal surge]

Well I just appreciate the game and I want it to succeed so I don't mind. The team is small and indie it's not big like Krafton or EA

[sage fern]

Thats sweet but how viable is that long term would be my argument

[near oak]

No I think you have to actually click the object

[fossil meadow]

I do have concerns about autonomy for NPCs
It's less it's buggy it's more even at a foundational level it's not really been worked on
That's a big undertaking to do after a game's release

even for an early access release

[pliant tree]

Booo so got into using that in the other games.
Also cant naviagate from the map. That is bothersome to me too.

[near oak]

Yea the map thing is super unintuitive esp for open world

[sage fern]

Well thanks for being reasonable in ur critique

[fossil meadow]

Paralives even to this day is a lot of questions of why
I like a lot of ideas and concepts but other things being left for so long makes me go ???? a lot
And I'm still getting it while playing

[sage fern]

I feel like sometimes when I say something is wrong, the responses are:

Its an indie game
Modders will help

[near oak]

I dont like the modders response

[fossil meadow]

I've been hit with I'm just a hating dev who's jealous of another indies success (sent to me via tumblr a few months ago)

[pliant tree]

Where to find the mushrooms. My para has the want too.

[sage fern]

Well, it is what it is. I believe they are already expecting modders to run the game, to be honest.

It's like saying, "That kid is rich, so evaluate them on a higher level than the poor kid to get into Harvard."

[stiff hill]

theyre scattered all over the map

wish you could mass donate tho

[fossil meadow]

I've also been reddit cared previously for talking about game development and my concerns over Paralives leaving a lot of stuff late

[sage fern]

Thought u could.. I might have seen wrong though

[fossil meadow]

AKA someone told reddit I was a threat to myself

[stiff hill]

you cant i tried

[fossil meadow]

It's a good thing I know the majoriy of Paralives fans are nice people but boy talking about Paralives online at times has been miserable

[pliant tree]

Honestly I avoid almost all of social media. So many misguided haters out there. Thanks Ill form my own opinions!

[sage fern]

Woah thats rude =-= is being objective that bad?

[sage fern]

Valid honestly

[sage fern]

They are sweet untill u disagree with them

expirenced first hand

[fossil meadow]

You do start to see the same faces reply to you that do that

So I do think it's a very vocal minority

[sage fern]

True

[royal surge]

very viable. It's how Sims 4 stayed alive 😉

[sage fern]

We might have had them people ourselves

[sage fern]

Yup and its why I dont wanna play the game anymore

[fossil meadow]

It's the same with Inzoi I think we have quite a few vocal people who start fights on behalf of the game
But most people are chill

[royal surge]

But many of the bugs I see are likely due to poor testing practices. They likely dont have integration tests

[sage fern]

Possible

[royal surge]

But they seem simple to fix

[leaden plume]

How's Paralives

[royal surge]

It's buggy

[near oak]

It would be cool if night story cards had a chance to also give you a negative card in addition to the positive one you choose.

[leaden plume]

I expected as much

is it worth the 40$?

[near oak]

For me buggy but playable

[royal surge]

So for me yes but for average players maybe wait a bit

I'm mostly not even playing just modding

[stiff hill]

its only buggy to those having issues lmao, its fun otherwise

[fossil meadow]

I'm still confused why some of the relationships are seperate and don't evolve into each other