off-topic-chat

[warped hound]

Sorry, it's the first multiplayer game which crossed my mind when you said big ship lmao

[sage fern]

L.ao nono like Ughh ill get the name sec

[little light]

That’s not exactly groundbreaking, a modder can freeze needs

[sage fern]

NGL, I actually don't get the use of frozen needs. Like, I am still hungry if I'm in a fire, I just prioritize fixing the fire over my needs.

If anything... freezing needs has been breaking my immersion to the game

Because its like the para is immortal for a bit

Except from the said fire

[warped hound]

Nah, disagreed. I dance everytime after I've extinguished a life threatening fire irl which could have cost me my life

😔

I don't cry, I don't shake, trust

[sage fern]

Can't think of the game...but its got dofferent planets

[warped hound]

No Man's Sky?

[sage fern]

?-?

[sage fern]

YES!!! freaking hell why did that take me so long

[warped hound]

XD

I love that game too

I have yet to finish the story

I played it a lot for the sandbox

[sage fern]

Its fun but so big brain I get tired mentally playing it. And he is just like.. I created [insert alien words] for the [insert alien words] use it for [insert alien words] for reactor

[warped hound]

Have like a thousand hours in already

But never even finished the story lmao

[warped hound]

😭

[steady forge]

yeah probably but then it requires a mod. this foundation mechanic is already in it

https://youtu.be/sLdNZMzSUCs?si=4jETEupJlVHUT46v from 31:20 ish

[sage fern]

Lmao I never read the story xD maybe thats my problem...its really is a long term game im just overwhelmed

[warped hound]

You need to reach the centre of the galaxy to finish the game apparently

[sage fern]

I wonder how many people has finnished the story and what fhat looks like

[warped hound]

Quite a lot tbf, they even have a discord server

[steady forge]

Probably not ground breaking but just a small detail maybe

[sage fern]

Lmao ngl.. I read "I dance every time I extinguish a life"

[warped hound]

I just love how you can build any desired ship design in blender

People have even built their ships look like a fricking optimus prime 😭

And everyone online can see your ship

In game

[sage fern]

I wish I was smart enough, but I do love looking at like dofferent plannets and exploring. I have ADHD so, this game does not help keep my attention

[warped hound]

LMAO

[sage fern]

Like it gives me too many things to be interested in at once. I end up doing nothinv

[warped hound]

Yeah, it can definitely feel quite cumbersome

[sage fern]

On that note, prioritize the fire, panicking, then go back to dancing so you don't die. Cool. Or dance while extinguishing the fire, like I do.

[warped hound]

Pro

That's the spirit, you're gonna go so far 😔

[sage fern]

Like no man sky

[warped hound]

Real

[sage fern]

The amount of times I get lost is just insane.. and I found out that the galaxies expand?

Kill me...

[warped hound]

The studio behind No Man's Sky has a new game coming soon

Don't know what the “soon” is supposed to even mean tbh

But it's gonna be a “planet the size of earth”

[sage fern]

HUH?!

[warped hound]

No? What 😭

I don't think galaxies expand... In game

[steady forge]

the word soon is just bait. it never comes soon

[sage fern]

Like its never ending world idk im not big brain enough for this game

[sage fern]

Lmao xD

We will be old by the time its out

[warped hound]

Yeah, it's gonna be a huge planet

[sage fern]

I wonder what computer can handle that

[warped hound]

They announced it back in 2023 I think or was it 2024

[sage fern]

Not my current one for sure...

[warped hound]

They have been radio silent about the game ever since

I think it's a good thing, personally.

They gathered a lot of hype with their No Man's Sky marketing

[steady forge]

I had many games on wishlist saying coming soon, but they keep getting delayed so I never trust that word again lmao

[warped hound]

Only to disappoint a lot of their playerbase

[warped hound]

Nahh it's gonna be fine

[trim cedar]

Also script mods are not going to be supported so the mods are really going to be limited!!

[sage fern]

Yesh I personally like games that just surprise me

[warped hound]

If you can run No Man's Sky with decent frame rate. You should be fine

It's gonna be the same engine

[little light]

Oh wow, they said that?

[sage fern]

Lmao, really, put it out of your mind.

At one point, I thought Paralives would be canceled because they kept making the release date longer and longer. I refused to check my wish list after

[warped hound]

The game is called “Light No Fire”

[little light]

Come to think of it Paralives with nsfw mods would look like SouthPark

[stiff hill]

[trim cedar]

Mind you 🤭 marketing matter Paralives has none!!

[toxic ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/coffee-drink-up-safaree-morning-coffee-drink-gif-6440570

[trim cedar]

Yep

[stiff hill]

Moving off that topic

[sage fern]

Oh, it does. Not paid, but it marketed alright. A connection built over seven years is a better marketing scheme than money or gifts.

Influencers promote it freely, and it seen as an innocent kid.

[little light]

https://tenor.com/view/reginehunter-livingsingle-kimfields-mmmhmm-mmhmm-gif-9455241724438796399

[trim cedar]

I still don’t expect paralives to sell a million copies on launch like Inzoi…..Inzoi had commercials and ads everywhere!! It doesn’t have the realistic appeal most life simmers want because it’s a life simulation!!

[sage fern]

Humans love the natural underdog, especially when they are the ones taking care of and investing in it emotionally, monetarily, and verbally.

[steady forge]

ppl are saying even though it's not officially supported, you can still do it at your own risk, for example from third party sites just not in steam workshop

[trim cedar]

“Feelings” don’t really work out in the real world when it comes to being successful numbers and marketing does especially in this economy where people barely afford to live let alone pay for early access game that performance is lack luster!!

[sage fern]

Exactly, and that's the worst mistake it had made.

1. It is from a company that is deemed evil, hence it is seen as evil by association.

2. It came out after only a year of development; that shizzle was empty as heck and boring. Here, I would call it soulless back then.

3. People were interested due to heavy influence; however, people also judge based on the amount of money it's presumed to have.

4. People left and left it alone either for good of for years to cime.

[trim cedar]

I also think that EA maybe paid for bots for bad PR for Inzoi knowing they were going against a company with damn near unlimited money and crazy amount of resources they can’t compete with EA being so greedy!!

[sage fern]

Oh, but I believe it's pretty apparent, at least so far. But we will see when Paralives comes out. I kind of mentioned this before, but.

The problem isn't that they are saying what's not good. It's that they are babying Paralives for its big flaws and berating Inzoi for its big flaws, including irrelevant ones.

Like, give them both space and constructive criticism and compliments to grow.

[steady forge]

Inzoi just need more interesting gameplay that's it. right now it's more like a stage/photo simulator..I'm waiting for multiplayer so players can take on the roles themselves

[sage fern]

Maybe, who knows, but that is their infamous reputation, and they have to do a lot more to get themselves back to being seen as okay

[sage fern]

Multiplayer doesn't make it a life sim.

I'm waiting for depth in personality and relationships more than anything

And also making it smoother and easier to play

[steady forge]

I guess, I never played a multiplayer sim game so idk. Problem is, it's been a year and Kjun still haven't figured out an in depth personality system

[warped hound]

I want multiplayer asap

[steady forge]

players been giving all sorts of ideas, but didn't help anyway, guess they are stuck (edit: actually they did say something but we haven't seen any result yet)

[warped hound]

It'd be really fun with mp

[sage fern]

Well, if you can give Paralives seven years, I'm sure you can give Inzoi even just a year to sort its shizzle out.

This game is only 3 years old, meaning they have to validate what works and what doesn't, and what will in the long term.

[stiff hill]

Not to mention, we don’t really know what’s going on behind the scenes other than the videos. Can’t really assume he isn’t aware about anything

[sage fern]

It will be but I dont want my life sim to break of disappear

[warped hound]

I'm sure single player will be unaffected

[sage fern]

Not saying don't criticize the game. Please do, because that's how it develops. I do that all the time... but we also need to be patient with it. It might be rich, but money does not speed up wisdom.

[steady forge]

True, it just seemed like Inzoi should have announced way later if they are so unprepared though. The amount of PR stunt and commercialization and events just made me assume they were half polished..

[trim cedar]

LITERALLY this game has been developed longer than Inzoi yet it’s SOOOO BABIED this is why I keep bringing up the obvious performance issues because that would be the reason I wouldn’t play the game!!

[pliant tree]

Heh typical RPG. Spend 20 minutes on char creation and first thing you do is put on a helmet! :

I now return you to Parlaives angst 🙂

[sage fern]

Yeah, they were undoubtedly wrong for that, especially since it was only a year old at the time. That's why I want it to lie low for longer until the foundational things are polished.

I want it to still have a community that criticizes the game when it's going the wrong way and also compliments it when it's doing the right thing.

[sage fern]

!!!! This

I honestly feel it might backfire long-term if they don't start being fairly critical...

I just want 2 life sims atm. Para and inzoi

[stiff hill]

-# you can hide the helmet btw

And still keep the armor

[steady forge]

probably because people back them was so positive about it and maybe it pushed them to release soon

[trim cedar]

It is people already over the community on X are over them already

[sage fern]

Apparently, I heard people were mostly against its launch. To be honest, I don't mind that it released into early access soon. I just wish it didn't over-advertise itself to too many people.

It's better if it slowly just poked its head out and very obviously stated that it's nothing at the moment and they humbly want people to try the game and be on its journey of improvement.

But then U a rich kid starts bragging and u have no substance?!

They gonna jump u. Most people hate rich people already plus ur daddy lowkey evil

Of course people already putting u in the no go zone dummy

[sage fern]

.....i am hoping that this is a small as hecc minority no cap 💀

[trim cedar]

It’s not I can show you more screenshots!!

[sage fern]

Yeah im just gonna sit still and wait for the reviews after a month. If its worth it ill buy it at full price

[little light]

I don’t see it either but who knows. People would buy for different reasons. People initially bought Inzoi for a sims replacement while dismissing the whole “Initial Early Access Phase”

People would buy Paralives to support an Indie developer

[sage fern]

Why would I support a rich kid

[steady forge]

the influencer thing is just overboard. I think it was unessesary. it was the first time I experienced hype over an early access game though, it worked pulling people in, but it doesnt work long term unfortunately.

BTW, I don't think it's because of the rich company thing, it's more of the game getting negative criticism more.. the only ppl that despise it with that perspective are coming from favoring indie games only I guess

[sage fern]

Holy... lord help us

[sage fern]

Yup, they did admit they didnt know what they were getting themselves into

[trim cedar]

This is the biggest Inzoi hater

[sage fern]

I am actually like.. huh?!

[median vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/drama-anxiety-negativity-bad-vibes-gif-19349385

[sage fern]

EHAT CHEAP?! HOw?!

WHATS HAPPENING ITS NOT EVEN REALEASED TO US YET FOR TESTING AND THEY BASHING

Oml.. pls give me patience with idiots

Gimme some of that rn. They want so bad for inzoi to fail for no reason. Too

[warped hound]

Imagine using twitter, and then also calling it X 😔

[sage fern]

Cuz Twitter is my X

[warped hound]

This is a tease, don't mind it

[sage fern]

[median vigil]

it will always be twitter for me lmao im not calling it x x x

[trim cedar]

Mind you he never responded the first tweet but responded to everything else because he genuinely sounds slow!!! I understand criticism but at least come up with a solution!!

[warped hound]

Fr

[trim cedar]

I just used X because I didn’t want to type out Twitter I refer to it as twitter irl

[warped hound]

Relatable, I use Bluesky now, although it's still quite lackluster to be fair

[median vigil]

i dont use twitter i use to use it afew years ago then i got rid

same with facebook

i say afew years ago its more like 10 to 15 years ago

[warped hound]

The last time I actually used facebook was back in 2016, when I was in school lmao

[sage fern]

Should I just get My X twitter and bestow upon them some knowledge

[sage fern]

Never heard of that whaaat

[warped hound]

It's from the same person who founded twitter

Bluesky doesn't really have any marketing behind it, so it kinda makes sense why a lot of people haven't even heard about it

[median vigil]

i watch too much youtube though but before social media that was too much tv

[steady forge]

I'm gettin Paralives simply because I'm interested in modding and they have built in modding tools day one. I just don't like how Inzoi uses Curseforge..and you need an Epic account to get the modkit, and you can't really monetize them if you wanted to

[trim cedar]

Yes because I need some SOLDIERS!!!

[sage fern]

Oo might check it out

[sage fern]

Yeah I recall u having a problem with that in inzoi

[warped hound]

You will find that every single brand which has ditched Twitter is now active on Bluesky

[sage fern]

[median vigil]

back when facebook was the new thing and everyone was telling people to get it

[steady forge]

lol yeah I remember you trying to persuade inzoi to change their views too

[sage fern]

Shame its taken us this long to get it. But I do hope paralives does satisfy ur modding needs untill inzoi has the tools ready

[warped hound]

Yeah, that was also my first ever introduction to social media. I created a facebook account because every other person from my school wa on facebook too

[median vigil]

what made me delete facebook was an old school friend turned up on there stalking me telling me he used to fancy me when me and him played as kids

and he wouldnt leave me alone and he split from his wife

and then i left it 😄

[warped hound]

💀

Yikes

[steady forge]

I don't like paralives character artstyle but because I found out you can create skin texture mods and other cc, then changed my perspective

[median vigil]

yeh he said he didnt love his wife and was single but he had two kids now 😄

i was like okay bye then 😄

[warped hound]

Ewwww

[median vigil]

nice catching up🤣

[warped hound]

🤮

[median vigil]

he was asking everybody on facebook where i was living now and everything

stalker attack

[warped hound]

Well damn, can't use the fk word

[warped hound]

That's creepy as frick

[median vigil]

yeh so i left it and never looked back it was that and family friends telling you about their kids days 😄

[sage fern]

I personally pefare for the basegame to be so good that I dont need mods. That mods be an additional reason to why I play the game. Not why I do play it

[median vigil]

id had enough lol

[sage fern]

My x dont like me

[warped hound]

I don't remember why I stopped using Facebook, probably because a lot of things going on irl

[sage fern]

Scams and spams for me

[steady forge]

I'm more of an introvert so Facebook was actually ruining my life cause people can tell how social and how popular you are with likes

[median vigil]

we use to hang out in big groups and he never showed any signs back then he liked me lmao

[warped hound]

In fact, the second social media I actually used was discord

My ex later got me to use instagram

I still don't actively use insta

[median vigil]

i use to have a cat page on instagram dedicated to my cat but when she died i just kept it up and didnt post nomore

[warped hound]

I've always been introverted as well.
I did post a few selfies on facebook back in 2016 something, because I was very naive and I wanted to be like my classmates and schoolmates, I also shared a lot of cringy quotes lmao, so damn embarassing

[steady forge]

I actually don't like using most social media's because I'm more concerned with privacy thats the main reason though

[warped hound]

Aw..
My mom has an account on insta for her cats xD

[warped hound]

Very much relatable!

[median vigil]

its still there on instagram as sort of a memorial i didnt have the heart to close the account

[warped hound]

Ooo :o

[steady forge]

Yeah same, it was cringe so I deleted all my pictures and account now. I'm glad I did😆

[warped hound]

Unfortunately for me, it's still floating around somewhere 💀

[median vigil]

well animals are family members so its not too bad 🙂

[warped hound]

I don't even remember which email I used back then

[warped hound]

Absolutely!

I have 3 cats, my mom has... Like 7

🙏🏻

[median vigil]

i had 3 dogs growing up which i shared with family and then the cat was just mine but when she died i never got another cat pet free since

[warped hound]

All are adopted / rescued though, we've always hated the idea of purchasing animals

[warped hound]

I doubt I'll ever want another cat in my life either.

Losing them is very hurtful

[median vigil]

it was all the vet bills i had to pay for when she was dying that put me off i was sick over the fees

[steady forge]

I don't share any photos of me in public not on Instagram, nothing. Because who knows if your face will appear on bad images one day and be exploited. Especially with AI now people can easily swap your face to another

[warped hound]

It's awful

[warped hound]

That's absolutely true.
I do remember sharing a few face reveal in servers I'm not even a part of anymore 💀 so frick me I guess

I do however don't mind sharing selfies to online friends and such who I know well enough about

[median vigil]

it was awful finding out my cat was dying but she showed no signs of it

until she stopped eating and pooing

[warped hound]

Aw..

Do you know which illness she had?

[median vigil]

and even when she stopped eating and pooing she was bright...

and moving around

[median vigil]

she had liver disease

[warped hound]

Ahh that's one of the most common illnesses cats have

[median vigil]

and all her body was shutting down

[warped hound]

Very unfortunate

[steady forge]

Yeah those are safe of course

[warped hound]

One of mine which passed away back in 2022 had a tumor, which grew into cancer. It was on his jaw

[median vigil]

yeh its hard

[warped hound]

Like.. it was so brutal, as days passes into weeks, and weeks into months.. you could literally see his jaw melting

[median vigil]

the vet said i would be doing her a kindness to put her to sleep and not keep her alive just for me

so i let her go

[warped hound]

We had to put him down when he got so skinny and couldn't even eat. Putting down was the most hurtful thing

There's this injection thing. I forgot the name of

Which we hired someone for it... But yeah

[median vigil]

yeh she had the injection to put her to sleep vet said she was in pain but she never cried out

and let you pet her

[warped hound]

Well damn

[warped hound]

Ooh I see

[warped hound]

There's just a lot of trust involved is all xD

I need a demo first though 😔

[median vigil]

yeh its hard to make the choice

[warped hound]

Very

[median vigil]

thats why i havent had another cat since its just the heart break all over again

with any new pet

[warped hound]

That's very true

[median vigil]

no you dont that person only out for themselves 😄

scammer

[warped hound]

Oh don't worry, I reported them as soon as I saw that message 😔

Just playing around

[median vigil]

thats good dont want nobody to fall for that crap

[warped hound]

Fr

They posted the message in every single channel too lmao

[median vigil]

yep and that same message will be posted all over the net lmao

[stiff hill]

Handled apologies

Internet wasn’t loading

[warped hound]

Apology accepted 😔

[sage fern]

Ngl this is dope as heck

[trim cedar]

This is my favorite feature from Paralives I think Inzoi wanted something similar for the aging system!!! But how do birthdays work???

[sage fern]

I doubt there will be birthday atm ngl. Cuz they dont even have a proper urn for dead people

[sage fern]

I hope inzpi does bring it over

But do i? Sometimes because I like both games

I dont wang them to have similar featured x.x

Idk man... im conflicted now lmao but excited ugh!!

I feel bipolar

[fossil meadow]

I'm unsure if birthdays are fully in game yet and believe Paras just age up
They have said social events are coming later and I assumed that included birthdays

That said though I haven't seen anyone get to the point yet where a para needs to age up

[median vigil]

ive seen babies dropping on the floor left and right but never seen a para age up

ive seen a para drop the baby afew times 😄

reminds me of that saying where you dropped on your head as a baby 😄

reminds me of the reddit post where the dad had to catch his own baby in the womens toliets at the hospital

because there where no nurses around and she needed to pee

the funny bugs alone make it worthwhile to play early access

its either hit or miss with height differences in game they either make it to a perfect kiss or its bugged 😄

and she ends up kissing his chest

ive seen two different videos now with each scenerio

it really is a nostalgic feeling remembering bugs in life sims 😄

everybody remembers their first funny bug they encountered

[crimson brook]

Pizelade said there a lot of bugs

[median vigil]

oh yeh there is lots of bugs from what ive seen but it doesnt put me off

[crimson brook]

They kind of funny to me like sliding after using the toilet

[fossil meadow]

Bugs I expected but I'm still unsure on the gameplay loop

Chance cards I feel will be fun in bursts but slowly drive me insane for long term play

[crimson brook]

Floating like Goku san

[median vigil]

in years to come we will remember the bugs 😛

and laugh

its just another core memory

[crimson brook]

I just want there to be more gameplay lol

Like the restaurant seems cool

But there no host or server 💀

[crimson brook]

Labor seems sad lol

[median vigil]

its all hotfixes 😄

[fossil meadow]

I do wonder how Paralives launch will go down
I think they have a core audience that's really dedicated to them and how the game is now
But I think there's a lot of wider people who still think this game was designed to be live mode first and has deep focus on personality
And while some of that is there I don't think to the degree people have thought for years

I'm still seeing people say they're excited for the zipline and taking off their shoes

Which was confirmed ages ago to not be in game

[median vigil]

im guessing mixed reviews....

especially when people have only hotfixes from june to september 😄

and have to wait for the real meat and potatos

[fossil meadow]

I don't think it'll be fully mixed
If it is it'll be on the higher end of mixed
Maybe mostly positive

[median vigil]

might be negatives from people who cant run

might be negs from people not liking the bugs

[crimson brook]

I'ma still get the game though cause they have a good foundation

What I'm seeing seems minor

[median vigil]

might be negs on overall performance

just have to see come monday

[fossil meadow]

I've been nosying other subs for a while and the cosy gaming subreddits was pretty sceptical

[median vigil]

i was sceptical it was even gonna come out

[fossil meadow]

But the cosy gaming spaces for some time has had some early access burnout

[crimson brook]

I know people was thinking it was a scam

[fossil meadow]

And a lot of people burnt out after puff pals so everyone's a bit on edge

[median vigil]

i did for the longest time but i followed from the start before inzoi

and it still might be a scam if they run with the money 😛

after a year lol 😄

of free updates lol

[crimson brook]

Omg I hope they don't quit or something that would definitely suck

[fossil meadow]

People really do underestimate how expensive games and studios are

Like to maintain

[median vigil]

they can go radio silent at anytime before giving pets 😄

[sage fern]

I think they're banking on Stardew Valley-style quests to keep you doing something.

[median vigil]

get the money and run and open another life sim under a different name 😄

[fossil meadow]

I don't think Paralives has given me any scam warnings but it does give me inexperienced

[sage fern]

Honestly really fear buying it nd they just dip. Especially cuz its a small team

[median vigil]

they might get spooked and run 😄 when people leave the feedback 😄 and reviews

[sage fern]

Like im not gonna lie their mission i ambitious

[median vigil]

are they really indie anymore if they have been getting pateron money for years and are now rich

[fossil meadow]

People have tried to hit me with the Alex has 10+ years in the industry and I'm like
His portfolio is public
It's mostly game jams, browser games and mobile games
Which like
IS experience but not for anything on the scale of Paralives nor running a studio

[median vigil]

alex hit the jackpot 😄 he hired them to do all the work

[reef vine]

hate to butt in with random stuff but i got the punny name i wanted on SWTOR
WALTON CLAWGINS! (he's a Cathar aka a cat person)

[sage fern]

Thats lowkey a flag to me

[sage fern]

It's been 7 years, so they do have a lot of money.

Honestly, I thought more would be developed, but I have been following this game for so long I feel like my child is finally being born.

[median vigil]

they are holding onto the sweet money well alex is 😅

[fossil meadow]

Eh I also was a founder of a studio with about the same amount of experience that said though my studio no longer exists because we couldn't get new grants and while we were technically indie because we were funded by a non-profit
Our non-profit charity went out of buisness because nobody can afford to put money into charity anymore

[sage fern]

Thats so darn sad...

[fossil meadow]

Oh I lie the charity got a six figure grant themselves (which we wouldn't get the full amount of but at least some of) but it came too late to save it

So our studio had to close alongside the charity

[sage fern]

Idk who Alex is tbh, I feel like more teams could have been hired at this point though... maybe they will do it after launching the game? And people buy it more?

They dont even have to pay for ads because they already won most people hearts just by being the underdog for 7 years.

[median vigil]

alex is the creator who gets to sit back while all the rest do the work 😄 the one who started it all

[sage fern]

How do u know he are t working on it? O.o

[fossil meadow]

I do think Alex at least does the UI stuff

[median vigil]

he use to but then he hired the team to do it for him

[fossil meadow]

It's his speciality is UI UX from memory

[sage fern]

Aaaa

[fossil meadow]

Probably why so much of Paralives systems are in menus

[crimson brook]

The UI looks fine

The live mode though 🫠

[median vigil]

it was clever the way alex got people to fund pateron though basically not much out of his own pocket

[sage fern]

I am clusterphobic and adhd so naaah... for me

Its not to the point where I am dying but it does peve me a lil

Its not that organised either imo

[fossil meadow]

Actually I might be wrong here looking at his site

[sage fern]

U know I never looked into this Alex guy but u really making me gain an interest

[fossil meadow]

I don't mind sharing it since it's public but here's Alex's portfolio https://www.alexmasse.com/

[median vigil]

you should the guy behind it all!

[warped hound]

Is this the lead developer behind paralives?

[median vigil]

yep the boss man

[warped hound]

Ooh

Gonna check the site out rq

[fossil meadow]

Which like starting off like this is fine btw I don't want people to think this isn't experience because you do learn a lot
Especially from game jams
But it's not any experience in the scope of the game Paralives is nor running a studio

Like anyone getting in the game industry does probably start with educational games or mobile games Sometimes they're the only people hiring

[sage fern]

Uhh...

U can see his personality in paralives i guess.

[crimson brook]

I thought the same thing

That duck looks so familiar lol

[trim cedar]

I wonder why certain features that were in the game now not the in game now? Also how do you plan on adding more features if you ran into other issues while trying to add other features?

[warped hound]

Wait

[sage fern]

Lmao, but I won't lie... he has not got much experience. He really just lucked in out of nowhere and hired talents.

[warped hound]

He's the fricking creator behind untitled goose game???

[sage fern]

Yup

[fossil meadow]

Yep it was made to test Paralives

[crimson brook]

👀 which features were in the game

[warped hound]

Wow

[median vigil]

at one time there was a cutscene that showed sebastian going down the zipline

in an old video

[sage fern]

For parara. That gave him the boost into para

[warped hound]

That's a goofy game, I love it

[fossil meadow]

I still have a theory those were conceptual and not in the game engine (for the ziplines)

Which again a legitmate thing you can do but you're supposed to clearly label concepts

[crimson brook]

Oop 🫠 so we were promised things and they got taken out

[trim cedar]

The taking the shoes off and zip line they showed that in early previews now it’s not the in game!! Also random thought but why hair the art style for the hair change so much!!

[sage fern]

It is i think thats the point.. his genre is completely different t

[median vigil]

well i guess they where just trying to make the game look more advanced then it actually was 😄

to create hype they where trying to get that pateron money in

[warped hound]

He's quite talented though

By his portfolio at least

[fossil meadow]

One of their earlier artists left the game in a very infamous way and with it is likely where the game style changed since the artist knew how to do the shaders

I don't know how many Paralives fans remember Roxane leaving the game and cussing out Alex

[sage fern]

Yeah, no doubt...just not in the category that he is currently working on.

Which means, people he hired are likely carrying this game

[sage fern]

Woah why?

[trim cedar]

So they hired someone else that didn’t improve the the style but made it worse???? Like I feel like most people like the early art style and not the current one

[median vigil]

maybe with the money they have they will keep the game going for so long and then ....less updates and mods to keep it alive

[sage fern]

I liked fhe earlier art style was cute

[median vigil]

we all know from sims if a game is kept alive too long the head of the snake needs cutting 😄

[trim cedar]

They had hair physics also!!

[median vigil]

trying to keep the corpse alive 😄

[sage fern]

Forrk

[warped hound]

What all happened?

[sage fern]

[warped hound]

Why did that person leave the development?

[trim cedar]

Like how did it downgrade so badly😭😭😭

[fossil meadow]

So at the time, Paralives was 3? people
Alex, Roxane and Lea? (unsure on name spelling btw)
If I remember correctly Lea and Roxane were both the artists so when Roxane left, it fell onto Lea? I believe
Then they grew the team after that

[median vigil]

what is that saying live long enough become the villian well that is the sims 😄

[sage fern]

Ikr?! I thought i was tripping

[fossil meadow]

BARE IN MIND I'M REMEMBERING THE DRAMA FROM LIKE
5+ YEARS AGO NOW

[median vigil]

you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain

how true is that 😄 in relation to life sims

[warped hound]

I won't, if you're wrong, I'll blame you for the mistakes 😔

[fossil meadow]

Roxane's tweets still float around on the internet and she did definitely have a bit of a crash out over it

[crimson brook]

Lemme put my glasses on

[median vigil]

yeh but the paras where better looking in the beginning

[fossil meadow]

Also remember these are now 6 years old (I found the dates)

[warped hound]

Oh wow, so she was fired

[sage fern]

https://youtu.be/B3G1kvPS7Nk?si=Dz2BDEOH9SuHU8oj

[median vigil]

paras look worse now 😄

then they did in the past

[reef vine]

I feel for Roxane. I love her sims stuff, and that makes me extra ick on Para.

I know had I been in her position I would have acted the same.

[fossil meadow]

I do always believe truth lies in the middle somwehre but looking at how Paralives was being developed at the time, this was the era when they just said yes to everything on patreon

[median vigil]

it must hurt to be cast aside also like she was

[reef vine]

Yeah. All in all Para grosses me out especially now. (see #inzoi-chat )

She said it was a traumatic experience on her tumblr.

[sage fern]

What hapoened!!

[fossil meadow]

Unpaid work is also very common in the indie scene (oh boy do I know this)

[median vigil]

im not fond of the look of the paras now

prefer the old look

[reef vine]

AGREE they look awful

[fossil meadow]

I kind of laugh now that at some point I was leading a team of paid people as an upaid volunteer

[crimson brook]

I'm on Roxanne's side cause these bosses be on one fr

[sage fern]

And he was getting all the money...

[median vigil]

the babies are diabolical to look at 😄

[fossil meadow]

I got to decide the direction of everything and had to go tell paid people what our plans was

[trim cedar]

I feel like that’s why they have so much support because they have so many yes to features when that’s not going to be the reality even there roadmap is not cohesive on what features are going to be added and when

[sage fern]

https://youtu.be/GJAm8UEi4CE?si=EYI1PhnGVBBdSaNR

This was the Sebastian I fell in love with!!

[warped hound]

What the actual heck

[trim cedar]

Like at least we know we have an update coming next month and it’s going to be a big school update

[median vigil]

yeh sometimes its not the one who was cast out who was in the wrong could be they ganged up on her the rest of the story is unknown only they know the whole story

[fossil meadow]

I've tried to realistically crunch Paralives numbers and while I can't do it accurate since there's so many unknowns
They have to either be getting sizeable grants or employees are on minimum wage and/or working part time

Since I don't see them having secret investors

[sage fern]

Ngl with this information, i am getting even more red flags both morally and potential to be shut down

[fossil meadow]

Grants do pull in a lot of money though if you get them

I don't know enough about Canada's grant system though

[sage fern]

He defo got grants

[median vigil]

there is 3 sides to a story...

2 is peoples opnions and 1 side is the real truth 😄

[fossil meadow]

Also went and found Alex's side of the story

[crimson brook]

I had to reread this twice come again?

[fossil meadow]

Oh it was 4 people

[median vigil]

there is what people say and then there is what really happened 😄

[fossil meadow]

It was my peak "I may be stupid" moment but I was promised to be paid for a whole year

The worst thing was I was almost paid then 3 days before everything shut down

Like me being paid was actually worked out and actually going to go ahead

[median vigil]

all i saw through the years was the art style go down hill

[fossil meadow]

I got laid off before I ever got paid

[median vigil]

but sure some people love it now 😄

and some people will even say the art style is better then ever

depending on who you ask 😄

[fossil meadow]

I still stand by the opinion that the paras are well designed and the world is really well made
Just not together

[sage fern]

Naah i pefare the smoother onr

[fossil meadow]

It feels like two different art directors oversaw the two halves of the game and then was put together

[sage fern]

This except I like the build mode and not necessarily the paras

[median vigil]

i dont know who can look at them para babies though and say with all honesty that they are beautiful 😄 anyway i guess beauty is in the beholder 😄

[sage fern]

Tbh the prara look out of place in terms of scaling in their world... but I think thats because of the heights feature and bugs

[sage fern]

LMAO BEAUTY HAS TO BE

[median vigil]

rose tinted glasses 😄

[crimson brook]

Is Roxanne gonna get credit at all or is it like they used her art concepts

[fossil meadow]

I think the reason the game looks so much different is because they removed a lot of her work

[sage fern]

Likely not

[sage fern]

Kinda sad cuz shes the reason I fell in love in the first place

[median vigil]

make no wonder the paras are always dropping the babies they are trying to get rid and do themselves a favour when they look at the baby 😄

[reef vine]

God. That's really kind of wrong.

[sage fern]

Theres less progress than I thought there would be but im gonna excitedly watch others play for now

[crimson brook]

Right seems kind of scummy

[sage fern]

Like I have waited 6 years I can wait another one year

[fossil meadow]

Sadly also happens in the industry I know a lot of people who worked on games and their work never made it to final product

Especially if you leave early on

[median vigil]

im gonna play it but i dont know the babies remind me of the cabbage patch doll i had as a kid

abit creepy

[sage fern]

Lol tell me how it goes xD

I was gonna but now i think i will hold off on my excitement

[crimson brook]

My bf saw me watching the video and he was like I don't like the toddlers faces

[median vigil]

i dont know how i am gonna feel but i will give it ago

[crimson brook]

He was like "the chin so huge" 💀

[fossil meadow]

I do want to say I don't think Paralives is a scam at all I just think they're very inexperienced and while they've improved as they've gone along
Some of the inexperience shows

Like I can see where all the mistakes were made along the road

[sage fern]

Exactly and that in itself is the red flag

[median vigil]

theres just something up with the baby face and the legs... the body well everything 😄

real abominations

[crimson brook]

Meanwhile I was weirded out in the create a para they were standing up already

[median vigil]

saying that though i grew to love my cabbage patch doll

it grew on me like a fungus

[sage fern]

The growing gradually feature is an amazing idea though

[trim cedar]

Off topic but I feel like the same people who hate on sims players using Alpha CC are the same people who are leading the Paralives community!!! Those people need to be put in echo chamber or something

[sage fern]

Paralives will be that chamber

[crimson brook]

I like that we have preteens stage something I haven't seen since sims 2 lol

[fossil meadow]

The fact they got this far is impressive to me because I have read their Notion over the years like

When they announced in December that they did Paramaker and Buildbuy first it did not come as a shock to me

They really left livemode to the last moment

[trim cedar]

Can we add the vitiligo warriors too😁

[sage fern]

The problem is we dont truly know how much effort was put in untill recently

Feels like lots of breaks and shortcuts were taking along the way

[fossil meadow]

I actually recongise a few faces from the maxis match scene

[sage fern]

Yes pls

[crimson brook]

I heard most of the complaints were about live mode 😞

They had to add some stuff to it last min

[trim cedar]

That is genuinely wild because a life simulation game main focus should be live mode!!!

[fossil meadow]

They have their development tracker which they ticked off things as they went along
I've had my eye on it for years because I like watching these things
https://paralives.notion.site/f138c4f6cb234604be16fe4198d17f51?v=41e2b3e389404b37b4060bc74dead4af

This is the now early access release version but I've watched them ticking off different paramaker, buildbuy and livemode stuff

[sage fern]

Like I dont get it cuz

Stardew Valley took about 4.5 years to develop. BY ONE PERSON

How did it take THem 7 years

[worn wolf]

Sims 4 is adding loot boxes. Thats about the only new info I got 🤷🏼‍♀️

[median vigil]

is that cause they got taken over bought out

[sage fern]

Self funded btw

[fossil meadow]

That hasn't been finalised yet so it's still in EA's current hands

[worn wolf]

Probably

[crimson brook]

Alex must have not been doing hardly anything

[fossil meadow]

I will say developing one game is actually easier by yourself sometimes because you don't have to deal with other people

[median vigil]

but they never did anything like that before so maybe it was an outsider idea🤔

[fossil meadow]

ConcernedApe is also the type of person to learn new stuff

So he was kind of built to solo a game

Like man learnt how to make music and everything

[median vigil]

grow a platform big enough then stick microtransactions in it

[fossil meadow]

Some devs I see go 100x faster by themselves

[worn wolf]

Or he was doing all the work cause he's the only programmer on the team with actual game dev experience

[sage fern]

If u had the talent yes

[fossil meadow]

Sometimes to a detriment

[sage fern]

He needed people

[fossil meadow]

Stardew Valley is also a much smaller scope game

Or well it started off as one then got added to as time went on

ConcernedApe started off really small with that game then grew it

[worn wolf]

That too. It also released as a complete game and wasnt crowd funded

[median vigil]

or he didnt know what the hell he was doing and hired some more who didnt know what the hell they was doing 😄

[worn wolf]

They didnt

[median vigil]

all just learning together lol

[worn wolf]

Only one of them is actuqlly a professional

[crimson brook]

I think so too

[worn wolf]

One other is a student, and the rest are hobbyists

[fossil meadow]

Which I'll be real I'd have to hire programmers
I'm an artist mostly

I can VERY basic code but I'd rather die

[worn wolf]

Most of their team are artists

[median vigil]

imagine when everybody is gonna complain about the bugs on monday 😄

[fossil meadow]

I haven't looked too much into the other paralives team I just know Alex has his stuff public

[crimson brook]

He needed artists before he could develop anything cause he lost (Roxanne)

[trim cedar]

Let alone actually running the game

[worn wolf]

Yeah..... they'll have to keep complaining then

[sage fern]

Yeah thats why im trying to give it grace but... honestly

"Add support for placing doors and windows on curved walls" - this was a plan since 2024 and not been figured out

[median vigil]

they'll get their fingers ready for a steam review lmao mad typing 😄

[sage fern]

Reading through development rn sorry

[trim cedar]

Someone with a regular laptop is going to buy the game thinking that can run it because it’s cartoony style😭😭😭 TRAGIC just like a lot of people thought they could run Inzoi until they bought it

[sage fern]

I rhink it can run the game.. its just that the game itself is buggy thats what i have been told

[median vigil]

some of the youtubers with high end pcs struggling though hmmmm its gonna be something for sure

[worn wolf]

Pixelade played it with a nasa pc and it was still stuttering and lagging like crazy. It also ate up like 14gb ram and 7gb vram

[median vigil]

yeh thats what i mean....... potato laptop has no hope

[worn wolf]

Nasa pc being a 5090 and 64gb ram

[sage fern]

Humm

[worn wolf]

Top of the line hardware

[crimson brook]

His frame rate was crazy

[median vigil]

yep so imagine a potato pc that barely runs

oh boy

[trim cedar]

I mean you kinda have to some what a decent setup to run it a budget gaming pc could run it!!

[fossil meadow]

I gotta say I do think this is partly due to Paralives fandom just making bold claims
I don't think the team ever promised it'd work on low end PCs unless I missed something but Paralives fans was like
It'll definitely run on lower end PCs because it's indie

[median vigil]

them hotfixes better keep coming from june to september like they said 😄 god help paralives team

[worn wolf]

Yeah, thats what I was saying

How much we betting a large part of parastans are gonna be dusting off their chromebooks 💀

[fossil meadow]

And I've been over here like
It's early access
They're infamously more demanding due to optimisation being an ongoing thing

[trim cedar]

They about to be STRESSED!!!

[median vigil]

i see them in the paralives sub with pcs that dont even have a dedicated graphic card saying well ill run it at 20 fps💀

[worn wolf]

"Oh, this game looks pretty low quality. I for sure should be able to run it!"

[fossil meadow]

Like sure some indie games do run on low end PCs
A good chunk do not

[crimson brook]

Most of them 💀

[crimson brook]

They gonna be working at the speed of light

[trim cedar]

Like my regular laptop can run stardew perfectly fine anything better than that NO!!!

[median vigil]

the small team is indeed about to be stressed if they didnt feel the pressure before they will come monday

[crimson brook]

I wonder how many of them gonna quit

[trim cedar]

I know that for a fact🤭 I seen so many of them excited because they now can play a life simulator….little do they know they better left off playing sims 4!!

[fossil meadow]

My partner can't even run that properly on their like
paper thin laptop Like one of the notebook style ones where it's mostly for taking notes in university

My partner isn't a gamer at all and it's very funny

[worn wolf]

Well... this is awkward... 💀

[fossil meadow]

You could probably list all the games they've ever played on one hand

[median vigil]

well its bound to effect them they dont have any idea what they are taking on 😄

the community is crazy lol

[worn wolf]

And theyre all games he played at recess as a child? 😭

[sage fern]

Basements: Make them easier to create
Date Created
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😭

[worn wolf]

Pixelade posted an honest review about what he likes and what's missing about paralives, and the top comment was like "your opinion is wrong! It's early access and since it's planned, it isnt missing!". Yup 😭

[median vigil]

we all want more life sims but then all the community will also be the death of them

[reef vine]

Hype kills.

[fossil meadow]

So my current prediction for Paralives is as follow
It'll sell quite a bit and there is hype there
2 weeks it'll be fine
A month in they'll have hype fall off
Then it'll be similar to Inzoi but with less regular new content updates
It'll have a dedicated player base albeit much smaller to now and it'll get spikes each update
That's all stuff that usually happens to early access games
But it all comes down to A. how many refunds they get (can be a bigger impact on indies) and B. if they can upkeep their development cycle before running out of money from base early access sales

[worn wolf]

And boy is there hype

[fossil meadow]

I do think they have a good core audience and a lot of them will stick with it
Wider though will fall off

[median vigil]

wasnt that the video where he made a review after playing it for 12 hours

[fossil meadow]

I can see a lot of people being in for a shock if they heard about the game 5 years ago and never followed it since

[median vigil]

i think i watched that one

[fossil meadow]

It's just the question of if it'll be enough to fund them

[worn wolf]

Also the fact they said early access will end in 2 years and during that time they promised houseboats. Not a good look tbh

[worn wolf]

Thats the one

[median vigil]

ive watched afew videos today yeh

[crimson brook]

The people who donated to their paetreon over the years I just wanna hear what their thoughts are gonna be at early release

[sage fern]

Damn...

[fossil meadow]

If Paralives sells super well and can keep their promise then I'll include them in the hall of fame for early access
And might even change my mind a litlte bit on the patreon funding model

But that's to be seen

[near oak]

Paralives is going to be an eat simply bc you can feel the passion and soul ooze off the screen. It just feels handled with care

[fossil meadow]

Like the fact we can only name a handful of examples for games that have the free update and DLC model (and is still in activeldevelopment) is because it IS a rarity

[median vigil]

well i saw someone say in the youtube comments they've been donating for years and forgot that they cant afford a pc to play it now lmao now that comment i read had me dead

[worn wolf]

Honestly, from what I heard outside of the life sim community, most people are skeptical and will probably wait until it's more polished

[fossil meadow]

A lot of people are moving away from early access entirely

Especially in the cosy space

[worn wolf]

Yeah.... that was a very dumb thing to promise. They should have at least waited until release to make bold claims like that. And if anybidy asked "do you have plans for dlc" should have said "not currently"

[near oak]

Why is it so hard to believe a game can accomplish free updates? Yall losing me

[worn wolf]

Cause there's only a handful of games and they all have MUCH bigger audience

[near oak]

Reminds of when Satchonsims said the same thing like does EA(Electrnic Arts) have us in some type of trauma or what

[worn wolf]

Life sim is very much a niche genre

[median vigil]

how can you donate to the pateron for years but you cant afford a decent pc 🫣

what kinda mindset is that

[near oak]

Their patreon was getting a LOT of money a month. And I expect the game will sell well so it's not hard for me to believe

[worn wolf]

Sims 4 was a white elephant (probbaly cause covid and the fact is can run on toasters) but for the most part, it had the same amount of sales as inzoi. So... not too many

[crimson brook]

That's like a "are you even thinking" moment . Like were you expecting them to hand you a free pc

[fossil meadow]

So to break it down
It's not that it's impossible it's just easier to promise once you know your game sells well and you can see what the next few years of funding looks like
They've decided their financial model for the next at least 2 years before knowing how much profit they've made and they'll likely need longer
The games market is at the most volatile it's ever been and the cost of living is really impacting games
People either are more cautious to buy or are more likely to request refunds
Add in studio costs and cost of living for developers are rising rapidly too

[worn wolf]

It's also nowhere close to stardew valley 40m copied and minecraft 350m copies

[sage fern]

Flag

[median vigil]

yeh it got me for sure did that comment imagine the money they have been giving to the pateron for years.....that could of been new pc money paying for the pateron monthly.......

[fossil meadow]

They're also getting rid of Patreon so they're trading one funding model for an entirely new one

[worn wolf]

And the thing about these games is that theyre both non gendered. Paralives is more of a girly game, and a lot of straight macho men will straight up nope out

[near oak]

Yea i get this. Their roadmap isnt that ambitious either. Its mostly hot fixes this year after launch

[trim cedar]

I’m going to say at least 500k copies sold I don’t think it’s going to hit 1mil their discord is way smaller and they have barely commercially marketed yet which is a smart thing given the lack of features right now something Inzoi should’ve did quietly released this……..it only made creator only early access that would’ve hyped the game up more

[worn wolf]

Imagine they donated all this time and now they cant run paralives 😭

[steady forge]

the type of mods you can create seems more than Inzoi now https://paralives.wiki.gg/wiki/Portal:Modding_guides

[median vigil]

yeh they cant someone said it in the comments on youtube 😄 donated for years but no pc

[sage fern]

They do have the Sims community marketing it since that's their main audience.

So that in itself in marketing just freee

Overall it has positive review and is the most anticipated lifesim of all time

[near oak]

Probably bc Inzoi hasnt reached full modding potential yet

[sage fern]

Well unzoi haven't allowed mods yet so..

[worn wolf]

500k is massive success for an indie title. Realistically, it's probably closer to 100k. Also, the majority of cozy gamers are console players, so that'd hurt sales too

[sage fern]

750k for followers on steam

[near oak]

Scripting mods on launch is going to be a game changer though

[median vigil]

person 1: i will keep funding for years you deserve it paralives best game eva person 1: doesnt own a pc

[fossil meadow]

That's the thing though the model usually requires you to keep releasing content and pretty regularly
So if their content slows and each release isn't enough to bring in new sales then it can really cause an issue too

[trim cedar]

Yeah I feel like Inzoi realistic art style gets more people tbh people are going to view Inzoi in the future like gta 5 life simulator especially when multiplayer is added

[sage fern]

This. They cant spend another 7 years on the game like b4

[worn wolf]

"Of all time" is a major stretch btw

[sage fern]

People will get bored and frustrated at bug fixes

[fossil meadow]

Krafton can get away with it because they have other game funds to float them during early access if needed
Paralives has no previous releases as a studio to finacially float them

[near oak]

If Inzoi took this route I'd be so happy

[worn wolf]

It doesnt mean 750k purchases

[median vigil]

people are paying that pateron and have a potato laptop i really have seen it all now....

[worn wolf]

Especially since most people stay away from early access indie titles

[steady forge]

aren't people already making some on curseforge?

[trim cedar]

Oh best believe once it does the sims won’t be seeing me the only reason why I play sims 4 is because of the mods!!! I wonder how many second life assets are going to be added into Inzoi💀

[fossil meadow]

But even then sometimes that's not enough
I know Larian got really sweaty nervous during Baldurs Gate 3's Early Access and that was with the divinity series previously

[crimson brook]

That's why I stopped playing sims 4 tbh

[sage fern]

It's not. Paralives is literally the most hyped game of all time. For seven years we have been waiting. Unzoi came out randomly three years ago. Everywhere you go, you hear of Paralives, "the Sims killer."

[median vigil]

what paralives should do to really milk people is bring out the soft cuddly mercindise toys with paralives on them lmao and that dog whats it called the mascot stella 😄 alex's old dog from his childhood..

[sage fern]

The steam wishlist echos the same sentiment

People including myself have been waiting for this game...

[worn wolf]

Again, major stretch. It isnt even top 10 most wishlisted

[warped hound]

I've heard since paralives doesn't restrict modifying game files, they don't really require official script support since modders can add script support themselves

[near oak]

Paralives may get less refunds bc people went into Inzoi thinking it was some GTA clone

[sage fern]

Name any of the life sim thats more anticipated

[near oak]

So went those gamers found out it wasnt they refunded

[median vigil]

it still could be a gta clone when script mods come out

[worn wolf]

Inzoi was #1 before release

[fossil meadow]

Paralives has the issue though that people remember Sebastian's Summer and is expecting some of the things in that to be in game
I can see them refunding

[sage fern]

[trim cedar]

Yeah I honestly think Inzoi had more hype to it than Paralives I didn’t hesitate to buy Inzoi but definitely hesitating with Paralives

[sage fern]

Nope it eas #1 because of advertisements thats different.

[fossil meadow]

I saw recently people saying how excited they were to see the zipline

[worn wolf]

Among games like subnautica 2. So well known titles

[sage fern]

People overhyped it. Para has an unbeatable fan base.

[sage fern]

I have never heard of that as a life sim fhats survival.

[near oak]

Yep. I think Inzoi had a different artstyle people probably wouldn't have compared it to gta

[median vigil]

para has all the people who donated to pateron but have a potato pc

[near oak]

Its people like that...

[sage fern]

People got it cuz of curiousity and it was pretty. They left just as fast

[steady forge]

yeah, so technically script modding is still possible says here on their wiki

[trim cedar]

Oh definitely literally can’t wait I know the creators are going to go crazy!!

[worn wolf]

So.... I assume youve never played other games before the sims?.... makes sense why youd think paralives is most anticipated game ever 💀

[sage fern]

Paralives has people who have been devoted for 7 years this is a relationship kinda hype

[warped hound]

Yessa

[median vigil]

its a mad hater relationship 😄

[fossil meadow]

TBH Subnautica gets missed by a lot of people

A lot of people don't like ocean or the style of game

[worn wolf]

Yeah.... no. Most people are sitting on it until full release

[sage fern]

Bro im talking about after the sims. Who da freak cares about that

[fossil meadow]

Ocean scary is a very big barrier for Subnautica for a lot of people

[sage fern]

So they left just as fast

[warped hound]

Literally me

But I still intend to buy Subnautica next month

[worn wolf]

Are you gonna say the same when paralives concurrent player count drops to under 100? 🥴

[median vigil]

so if people have been donating to the pateron for years but have a potato pc to try and run paralives on.... them being excited over free dlc is the least of the worries 😄

[sage fern]

Never heard of sunnautica untill litterally today. And I been in the life sims community for years

[warped hound]

That's how you fight your fear 😔

[sage fern]

Lmao valid point

[worn wolf]

That isnt a life sim bruh 😭

[warped hound]

It's not a life sim. So makes sense xD

[worn wolf]

But it is a MAJOR game with millions of copies sold

[fossil meadow]

IT IS worth remembering for early access, especially singleplayer early access, it's common to have a fall off after a few weeks
And it to become a dedicated but very small fanbase who'll give feedback
It happened to Inzoi and it'll happen to Paralives too most likely

[trim cedar]

Yeah I’m honestly ok with the art style especially since the developer wants this game updating for 10 to 20 years I can see that happening especially since the game is ran on a engine that’s constantly updating unlike the sims 4💀

[worn wolf]

The fact you dont know what it is proves you didnt play anything other than the sims

[near oak]

Its definitely happening to Paralives. It seems barebones

[sage fern]

If para dies completely uts likely due to peoples boredom and there being no mods.

Modders are essentially paralives free workers

[near oak]

Did yall ever watch LGR review Sims games?? I wonder if he will do Paralives. I miss his sims pack reviews

[worn wolf]

Doesn't matter how many mods a game has is if lags to hell and and back

[fossil meadow]

Probably
He did cover Inzoi afterall

[worn wolf]

Performance is what matters the most at the end of the day

[median vigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crWTzbLOb_M&t=125s&pp=ygURbW9kZGluZyBwYXJhbGl2ZXM%3D

[sage fern]

Then why add it to this???

[worn wolf]

Didn't he say he'll wait until full release?

[trim cedar]

Yeah people are excited for modding Paralives when the game can’t even run properly with minimal features imagine adding mods to it…..what you thinks going to happen😭😭

[worn wolf]

Because you made a bold claim like "of all time" it really isnt

And among life sims, it really isnt either

[toxic ginkgo]

https://klipy.com/gifs/innocent-watching

[sage fern]

I said life sim of all time. Cuz it is

[worn wolf]

The most anticipated was probably sims 3

[median vigil]

which will get the naughty mod first paralives or inzoi 😄

[worn wolf]

Only because you werent around back then doesnt mean it didnt happen

[fossil meadow]

I am someone who only likes modding in stable games
(1.0 onwards)

I check out Inzoi mods and CC but I don't play with it

[trim cedar]

Off topic but do you remember the other open world life sim that the characters looked horrible but got over hyped and never launched😭😭😭

[sage fern]

The most anticipated after sims 4. Cuz this is the context of the newer games.

[worn wolf]

The paralives one..... yeah, i tried imagining what it's look like with the black outline and i noped out

[fossil meadow]

Life by you?

[steady forge]

wouldn't that be true for inzoi as well? except paralives does not forbid ppl to monetize their mods. meaning maybe professional modders will come to make high quality stuff

[worn wolf]

Life by you?

[trim cedar]

Yes I forgot what it was called

[median vigil]

just seen fantayzias video on paralives getting hotfixes on release day

[median vigil]

yeh probably so

[warped hound]

That's quite a valid point

[sage fern]

Bruh nope. With inzoi my game runs fine. I dont use mods or cc.

I am content and never needed it. In fact I stay away from mods

[worn wolf]

Most people were skeptical about it from the get go and it only sold 300k copies in its first year. It realky wasnt

[sage fern]

They improve the foundation of the game and make it grow.

The mods are there to enhance ur expirence. Not be the reason u love the game

Thats inzoi for me

[worn wolf]

Nothing major. Performance lag and paras standing on air will probbaly still be there

[sage fern]

Ngl I am not sure in which game u are referring to.

[worn wolf]

Sims 4

It only really blew up during covid

[steady forge]

I mean sure, I also don't want to use mods all the time, except because they don't create the hairstyles I want, I need to make them on my own 😭

[median vigil]

yep probably will lag and stutter for ages

[worn wolf]

Before then, it was "eh"

[trim cedar]

Yeah running Inzoi mods when it first came out my computer did not like that at all!!

[median vigil]

all the year for hotfixes

[fossil meadow]

For me mods really are to give specific playstyles, making cute artstyle changes and QOL
So like for Sims 4 I couldn't live without llazyneiph's Royalty Mod for years because I wanted that specific gameplay
I like their survive mod too

[sage fern]

Oh yeah. Never cared about that. I enjoyed Sims 4; it was new, fresh, and revolutionary. But Paralives felt the same but different. Paralives built my hype for years.

I am kind of getting over that right now and thinking rationally.

[fossil meadow]

But I really wanted to do royalty and apocolyptic storylines

[sage fern]

Thats y I think its a problem. Modders are awesome and we love and need them. But if u need modders to make ur game a "game" u have a problem

[worn wolf]

Eh, im waiting until full release to use em so that they break less often

[trim cedar]

I was obsessed with the same thing when I was younger!!! Now I do a little bit of everything challenges, storytelling

[sage fern]

But now it feels like the picture is getting clearer. Its likely modders will be running this game since the release of updates is likely to be sluggish.

Like there are many games that modders are keeping alive

[median vigil]

thats me also with inzoi

[sage fern]

Even without the developer updating anything

[worn wolf]

I wonder just how major their major update will be considering they havent achieved much between now and december when it was supposed to release

[sage fern]

Same

[worn wolf]

Probablh sims 4 level of major if not less 🤔

[median vigil]

yeh it really makes you wonder does that maybe they put the road map to quieten people down 😄 for awhile lol so that people arent tempted to riot if they have the road map to look at 😄

[sage fern]

Thats what im saying.

They wont be able to fix or update things quickly enough.

Modders have to do all that

[steady forge]

I think modding is just extra special for life sims, because it just helps you create your own kinda style for a unique experience

[worn wolf]

Most paralives modders will just create cc

[sage fern]

Thats why sims four got sleezy

[worn wolf]

The script modders will probably stick to the sims or wait for inzoi

[sage fern]

We got the mods market too now

[median vigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x1vKI3MrLU

[sage fern]

I think build mode is fine

Its more gameplay

[worn wolf]

Seen it

[sage fern]

Not seen it but I dont care enough to ngl

[median vigil]

im gonna be trying to build 😄 wish me luck i might make something decent for once 😄

[sage fern]

Send pics hereeeee

[worn wolf]

I dont doubt build mode is amazing. Definitely the best thing about the game. Live mode is severly lacking though

[fossil meadow]

Also it's 12 am my time so I must ascend to go to asleep
Bye bye chat Thanks for listening to me yap about game stuff again

https://klipy.com/gifs/ascend-3

[sage fern]

Sleep well! Thanks for the stories Henry

[worn wolf]

Night 🤣

[median vigil]

i will show my abominations 😄

[sage fern]

I wish Paralives the best. Today has been a lot on my energy, I can't lie.

I went from being excited to disappointed to excited to disappointed, and now I'm just going to wait.

[worn wolf]

I do however think inzoi's customization is more powerful since you can import any texture you want and adjust it so that it becomes a different material. Patalives is a lot more limited

[sage fern]

Yes and no... like I do like just using whats already in the game >< importing my own stuff is a lot of work

If we remove the import it is a lil lacking in comparison

[worn wolf]

It's loterally a matter of clicking import though 💀

[sage fern]

You have to find it; look for what you want. Make sure it's not weird; sometimes edit it...

That's where the work is xP

[worn wolf]

Takes me less than a minute

[sage fern]

Not me I spend too much time trying to decide

[steady forge]

I don't play the sims but if I have to make a viewpoint, I think they are maybe sleezy on the part of game mechanics, and how the foundations being unstable and easily break at times from what I've heard..visual art assets such as cc, if relied on mods are only natural because humans love art

[sage fern]

And find it. Dk where ya alls getting ur nice quality uploads from ngl

[worn wolf]

"Seamless wood texture png" done

If it has a watermark, run it through a watermark remover

[steady forge]

but that doesn't mean the sims art shouldn't be high quality as well, it's just not my taste xD

[sage fern]

I played The Sims and even went back after I got Inzoi.

Yes, there are bugs, but to be honest, I never experienced many of the "bugs." There was just a lack of content and things added that players either did not want or really needed, e.g., baby showers, enhanced high school gameplay, visual weather enhancers, poses, actions, how Sims react to one another, etc.

Modders had to fill in the gaps that they never provided.

We didn't get any of that, and I downloaded mods for it.

Playing without mods felt empty

Needed mods to even cheat properly in the game

[steady forge]

lol tbh reading all these speculations in this chat got me wondering where all the energy came from, it's just a game calm down don't think too much hehe

[median vigil]

alot of people on the paralives sub with pcs like this

[sage fern]

'Cause I was hyped. It's been my dream game for years, and watching it, I was disappointed with what I was seeing.

I thought, "Actually, look, here's something to be hyped about," and then I got something not so hyped about.

Then I get hyped again, and now I'm rationalizing the actual route to this game actually succeeding, and the vision I see is a mod-run game while Alex takes the money and slowly develops it (best alternative to them dropping it).

So yeah.. I am disapointed

Cuz I emotionally invested 6 years into a game i thought id love and enjoy

And now its looking like that wont be the case.mm so im just waiting to see what happenes till next year

[sage fern]

Damn.... they said it should run it?

[median vigil]

yeh im thinking it wont 😄

wheres the dedicated gpu at 😄

[sage fern]

They have this thing

[median vigil]

alot of people like this on the para sub

[sage fern]

https://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri
easiest way is this

[median vigil]

them are two examples of pcs from the paralives sub

but there is many more

alot of people are gonna be crying come launch day

[sage fern]

[near oak]

Night!

[wheat merlin]

Currently watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwhxQT-8knE. He's very honest. 🙂

[steady forge]

yeah life sims seems to need mods for never ending content unlike other games with more specific game loops. it's a huge sandbox of imaginations it's impossible to meet the needs of every player

[sage fern]

Oh, I'm sure that's the case. But the foundation of a game shouldn't change to "Mods do it all and we gain from it. ."

[median vigil]

i watched that video already

[worn wolf]

Bruh 💀

[median vigil]

im watching videos of them dropping babies on their heads 😄

[sage fern]

LoL u seem very entertained by that

[worn wolf]

Like this?

[median vigil]

as long as its not real babies........

[sage fern]

Reminds me of bbq babies

Iykyk

[trim cedar]

DAMN Goodluck even opening the game😭😭

[median vigil]

that aint mine thats someone on paralives subs 😄

[worn wolf]

My laptop should be be able to run it cause it can even run inzoi. If it doesn't, ill be concerned 💀

[worn wolf]

Ayo 😭

[steady forge]

I knew a game called lost soul aside which was developed by one person at the beginning then got funding with larger team, people been following the game to its release but it seems like it didn't live up to the hype.

It's completely valid to feel like if something you were anticipating for dissappoints you, but yeah t happens, that's life I guess :p

[median vigil]

i dont know how they expect to run it on a office laptop with no dedicated gpu but it is what it is lmao

[worn wolf]

Also, it's first time im seeing integrated graohics and 16gb ram

[wheat merlin]

is the game rated yet?

[worn wolf]

Like, what's the point? 😭

[worn wolf]

No

[median vigil]

to make people think its gonna run cause of the 16 gb 😄

[wheat merlin]

Give me a sec.. Let me see 🙂

[sage fern]

@steady forge

Modders are loved and needed. That's an indisputable fact. My point is, though, a game should not lay its foundation on modders handling it. Hope it makes sense. Going to bed and hope you enjoy Paralives when it comes out. Also, thank you. Night night.

[wheat merlin]

I don't see rating..

[worn wolf]

Yup 💀

[median vigil]

another one off paralives sub

[worn wolf]

I think games usually get rating until after release

Only the big ones get it pre approved

[wheat merlin]

Okay so, I would classify General because it's not like The Sims woohoo..

[worn wolf]

Nuh, it's pretty much like sims 4 woohoo

[median vigil]

2.00ghz that laptop is flipping ancient 😄

[wheat merlin]

Paralives have... what? xD

[trim cedar]

Yeah I know I hope that person didn’t pay anything

[worn wolf]

Not even a gb of vram 😭

[wheat merlin]

If they have sound effect woohoo... yep... it's classified PG or M. xD

[worn wolf]

Yeah, it's basically a copy

[worn wolf]

They do have sound effects 💀

Like, moaning sound effects 😭

[steady forge]

your point about a mod-run game is very realistic. There has been many of these kinds of frameworks where devs just make the foundation, and let community create their own, essentially extending the content of the game. For example IMVU, we'll this is more of a chat app which was started in 2006 and it evolved into one of the first virtual (metaverse) with 90 percent or more cc content that are created by users.

[worn wolf]

Maybe not hardcore, but it's unmistakable

[wheat merlin]

Yep.. The government will be watching. xD

Because sometimes some games can be banned. xD

[steady forge]

OK nightt night sleep tight🌙

[median vigil]

people have money for the pateron but no money to get new laptop 💀

[wheat merlin]

18. Mushrooms poisoning.. xD Oh no..... xD

[worn wolf]

Id suggest waiting for closer to full release to buy it. If you really wanna try it out and aren't sure, bypass the paramaker and jump straight into the game to to test it out and play for an hour and half amd decide whether you're okay paying the $40 or want a refund

[trim cedar]

Some people don’t have know the concept of “saving”

[median vigil]

it reminds me of people who are running sims on old laptops but they are buying every dlc that comes out

[worn wolf]

Cause live mode is 100% the weakest part of the game

[wheat merlin]

Age proportion did pretty well. 🙂

[median vigil]

i know people are passionate about wanting paralives to succedd but with that money they put towards the pateron they could of saved to get a new laptop

[worn wolf]

You sure?

[trim cedar]

Literally!!

[wheat merlin]

https://giphy.com/gifs/lsJCkIKV6AT28

[median vigil]

the babies scare me this is what im talking about 😄

[trim cedar]

Found 2 paras who run into the issue that many are going to run into on Monday oh boy😭😭💀

[worn wolf]

Same. Chucky looking mf 😭

[median vigil]

i cant work out if its the hair if its the legs if its the chunky body 😄 or the face thats the worst 😄

[worn wolf]

Themselves probably included 😭

[wheat merlin]

Who will win.. The baby weird proportion height in Paralives or the baby holding a smart phone in inZOI. xD

[trim cedar]

Speaking of babies when are we going to get smaller babies in Inzoi and not toddler size babies that never made sense to me especially since a realistic game

[median vigil]

hahahahahah

https://tenor.com/view/old-doll-bluerra-sai-sockmans-playlist-suckmans-playlist-cod-gif-11920085017275836712

[worn wolf]

It's the limbs. Arms are way too short and legs are way too long for an infant. Also, the head is too small. Infants have pretty big heads

[trim cedar]

I forgot their height slider completely change the portions of the para is more up a scale up slider than a height slider but better than nothing!!

[worn wolf]

Probably after full release when they got more funding

[median vigil]

i cant unsee it now you said they look like chucky 😄💀

[lunar elbow]

new pfp

alr now wtf i actually love this one

[worn wolf]

My gf won't let me go to my my mom's bday party cause im sick and it's cold and raining outside 🥲

[trim cedar]

Imagine the the proportions of the babies with LBY if they continued development😭😭😭

[median vigil]

ive had bad ibs flareups lately at the moment i feel alright

[worn wolf]

They didnt get to these lifestages yet 😭

[worn wolf]

I have a cold though 🤣

[median vigil]

i know but its your moms bday 😭

[trim cedar]

That game was doomed before it started😭😭 we could’ve had 3 life sims now

[worn wolf]

Also, im not sure why people keep advertising paralives as fully open world with no loading screens when I watched them clear as day go through loading screens to enter lots 💀

[wheat merlin]

I was sick in the past 2 weeks... I was working during my virus. Technically I took one day off.

[median vigil]

nothing like giving mom a cold on her bday though 😄

[trim cedar]

Any other company making another life sim I haven’t seen any that are legit!!

[worn wolf]

She's right, but still 😭

Cause I could end up in the hospital 💀

Cause my immune system is 💩

[wheat merlin]

@worn wolf 😅😭

[median vigil]

so what are you gonna do thats a hard choice

[worn wolf]

Stay home and give my mom her gift at a later date

Maybe ask my brother to come to pick up her gift 🤔

[median vigil]

could do that too with your brother

hmmm dont you wanna give it to her yourself at later date though

[worn wolf]

Thats option b, yeah

[median vigil]

yeh i cant get over the babies looking the worst

out of all the para

[worn wolf]

I also ordered her necklace thats similar to the one she saw in Egypt and regretted not buying. It's still shipping though

[wheat merlin]

Welp more worse.. 😂

[worn wolf]

It's not $1000 though like the one she saw 💀

[worn wolf]

Yeah.... no 💀

[median vigil]

sounds lovely hope all goes well

[worn wolf]

Should be fine

[median vigil]

still the thought that counts 💀

[lunar elbow]

why is it so cursed 😭

[worn wolf]

It should be a decent quality though cause it's from etsy

[wheat merlin]

It's just AI.. xD

[worn wolf]

From a jeweler

[median vigil]

yeh i got my pc table from etsy and it was decent you get alot of stuff that is nice from there

[worn wolf]

Yup

[median vigil]

its ai until the baby ai emote dances come 😄

some how its gonna get more weird

im here for all the weirdness of paralives and inzoi 🙂

i was watching one of the videos and she was making the baby pose 😄

and then the adult did the baby pose 😄 on the floor

there will be lots of bug content to be amused by

the hands dont match the body 😄

thank god you can resize them though

[worn wolf]

Is that a child? 🤨

[median vigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c88uVKwKFgg

i think its a preteen 😄

[worn wolf]

Yeah.... she shouldn't be wearing that low quality shirt

Teen and up

[lunar elbow]

paralives seems like it's got some problems lol

[wheat merlin]

She looks like my Ex gf but adult look..

[worn wolf]

My point

[lunar elbow]

i dont really like the art style of paralives tbh

[worn wolf]

She also looks like she has a lip piercing. And Im like "nope"

Remember, preteen ages are 9-12

We talking elementary schoolers

[median vigil]

them ageing hands for a preteen 😄

[lunar elbow]

5th graders with a lip peircing, wtf is this??

[worn wolf]

And eyeliner 💀

[wheat merlin]

Yep.. AUS Government is watching. xD

[worn wolf]

People dont start wearing eyeliner until at least middleschool

[median vigil]

yeh its way too young

[lunar elbow]

and people don't get peircings until around then too

[worn wolf]

She also has what appears to be a crop top

[lunar elbow]

shi there was a girl at my school that had a bellybutton peircing in 8th grade

[worn wolf]

And definitely no corsets for children 😭

[lunar elbow]

😭

yeah like bro wtf is this game

[median vigil]

the old paralives style was better

[lunar elbow]

definitely

[worn wolf]

Looked kinda like this though 😭

[median vigil]

i know but still its gone down hill more 😄

[worn wolf]

The lower arms i mean

[worn wolf]

It's the body detailing for me. It's too much

[median vigil]

its like ken doll 😄

no peen lol or bulge 😄

[lunar elbow]

what the

did not expect to see ts

[median vigil]

no nips at all 😄

i see guys topless in uk walking up and down the street....

but paralives said no nips 😄

[worn wolf]

But if your back looks like this, you need to see a doctor

[median vigil]

and paralives said no butt crack too 😄

[median vigil]

thats not how real back dimples look 😄

[worn wolf]

Yup. And the spine doesnt look like a wannabe belly button

[median vigil]

this image reminds me of something from attack on titan 😄

https://tenor.com/view/attack-on-titan-funny-anime-titan-gif-6062957292331979731

[worn wolf]

Yo, wtf 😭

[wheat merlin]

Attack on titan. xD

[median vigil]

yeh the anime 😄

[wheat merlin]

I haven't finished watching. 🙁 I should finish all episodes maybe during my annual leave..

[median vigil]

i got half way or something me too

[worn wolf]

But yeah, I watched a playthrough yesterday and the paras were just standing around pounding sand for the most part. And she confirmed autonomy was on, so idk

[lunar elbow]

theres a meme that describes the lack of some things i prob shouldnt say here and gives the reason

[worn wolf]

And that's the active household

The townies didnt do much

[median vigil]

the autonomy looks lacking and the interactions between the paras

the emotional connection seems not there but

will see with my own eyes

[worn wolf]

Yeah. I just hope that people that actually buy it dont regret their purchase

And theyre expecting a fast debelopmemt timeline like inzoi and will probably be vastly dissappinted

[wheat merlin]

Paralives is Early Access so there are many bugs unlike The SIms 4 released completely broken and adding more EPs, SPs, GPs instead fixing the game.

[worn wolf]

Also the fact that they've been working on the build mode since 2019 and it still has bugs

[median vigil]

it wont be like that not with the hotfixes planned for the rest of the year 😄

thats all thats on the roadmap

they say they are getting a big update out for q4 2026

cant see that but ok 😄

[wheat merlin]

Anyway I'm exciting about inZOI's school update... 🙂

[worn wolf]

Sims 4 "MAJOR" updates are bug fixed and a few recolors. That's probably what paralives is aiming for 💀

[median vigil]

im waiting on canvas town and fate engine 😄

[median vigil]

it probably is 😭

[worn wolf]

And also, if you look at the list of what is planned for early access, it's pretty damn short

[median vigil]

yeh but they need it to be short because small team of dont know what im doing 😄

thats a big list for them

all into next year

[worn wolf]

That's all of it

[median vigil]

yeh they will have their hands full with that though and bug fixing

and then having to hear everyones wishlists for the future of the game😭

[worn wolf]

Personally, I feel like a functional restaurant systen should be included since there already is a restaurant, as well as improvements to autonomy

And a shop system

Since again, there are shops