✅Luma: Unreal Engine

[red heath]

ondrawordispatchcustom

or something

check the games that use it

[topaz belfry]

Actually I can just run the original draw call and then dlss, forgot you added that as well.

Just need to think a good way to know when there is more than one render target.

[topaz belfry]

try this

[rancid pine]

crashes when I try to enable DLSS

[topaz belfry]

fsr3 works?

[rancid pine]

nah, also crashes

[topaz belfry]

yeah I see that now, Debug mod doesn't crash for some reason.

[rancid pine]

bloom has the same issue

[topaz belfry]

ok this one should work now

[rancid pine]

yup, works
I assume the sand edges disappearing needs the dither fix? Tried enabling it but it disables when I restart

[surreal mulch]

Yeah i ain’t playing at 1440p not a chance. I’m soon upgrading to a 9800x3d and paired with a 4080 could be playable I guess

[topaz belfry]

Dither fix is experimental, no guarantee it fixes anything if it even works. I should hide it

[topaz belfry]

Is this compared vs TAA?

[rancid pine]

yeah, but taa also looks correct

FXAA, TAA Gen4, TAA Gen5, DLSS K

also damn GTAO and SSGI both dont work

[topaz belfry]

With forced TAA or in general?

[rancid pine]

in general

[topaz belfry]

pushed this fix to github

[rancid pine]

shame the game has the classic UE "none of the graphics settings apply to character previews in menus" thing

[jaunty belfry]

well, pretty much everything is doing that

bloom pulses nonstop and grass seems like it's moving in 4D

[topaz belfry]

what game is this?

there was a similar game to this one, Song of Nunu

only thing that helped was reducing Temporal Samples

[jaunty belfry]

Harvestella

[topaz belfry]

let me check if own this

[topaz belfry]

I do own it, I will try to see if I can debug it. No promises tho, they may be doing something very custom.

[jaunty belfry]

idk if it even reads Engine.ini flags

[topaz belfry]

seems like you managed to force TAA if luma was running. Unless it also ran without them

[jaunty belfry]

it does run without any flags

wait

r.TemporalAASamples=4 seems to have helped

aHOLY SHIT

well the bloom flicker is gone at least

[topaz belfry]

might be hooking to a false positive instead of TAA which maybe means dlss runs before the things that are flickering are drawn and the jitter never gets removed.

game is done installing. let's see what's up.

[topaz belfry]

hmmm, game is running flawless for me 🤔

[jaunty belfry]

what

[topaz belfry]

one second

[topaz belfry]

can you send me your reshade log to confirm it's injecting in the same shader as me?

[jaunty belfry]

you mean this?

[topaz belfry]

other than that the only difference maybe that I set this. Didn't have to override any engine variable. Also not running SK/

so try those

[jaunty belfry]

i'd be really funny if SK is causing this

[topaz belfry]

did you do resource upgrade for autohdr? could be that?

[jaunty belfry]

now it doesn't start without SK

wtf

[topaz belfry]

😵‍💫

[jaunty belfry]

lemme reboot

ok, I removed SK and reinstalled the latest Luma release

HiDPI settings were the same as yours

[topaz belfry]

maybe it is just not visible at higher resolutions?

what res are you running on?

[jaunty belfry]

i'm not sure what's going on, nearly all times I used Luma generated some results like this

[jaunty belfry]

2560x1080

[topaz belfry]

maybe it's the ultra wide causing issues? would need some third person with this game to confirm. I tested at 1080p and still looks fine.

[jaunty belfry]

tried DSR to 5120x2160 and its a bit less visible

preset M just putting my GPU through the wringer, wtf

still a bit visible on my screen so idk

no fucking way

[jaunty belfry]

IT WAS THE ULTRAWIDE

?????

my entire desktop is cut to a 1920x1080 res but the nvidia app still records the black bars

poor trillion dollar company

[topaz belfry]

I could probably fix ultra wide issues. But I don't have ultra wide monitor sadly, so it makes it very difficult.

There is usually some mod to add proper ultra wide support

[jaunty belfry]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HARVESTELLA/comments/ysh8xj/heres_how_to_enable_ultrawide_support_for/ jesus christ

somehow the UI is scaling correctly to the screen

[topaz belfry]

Isn't that good?

[jaunty belfry]

its bizarre

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-joestar-jojo's-bizarre-adventure-jojo-meme-gyro-zeppeli-gif-1813065681289407042

[topaz belfry]

Japanese studios do love making the quirkiest changes to unreal engine for some reason.

Well I can add this to the compatibility list.

[jaunty belfry]

and I will add UuU.dll as a specialk plugin

thank you very much, man

[topaz belfry]

Happy to help

[jaunty belfry]

well, not all the time

but this is much better than everything not working at all

[topaz belfry]

Close enough. Sadly no lyall fix for this game.

[jaunty belfry]

story cutscene transitions like that are pillarboxed, but regular loading screens and menus in general work fine?

i'm eating this game

tysm

[turbid ingot]

Guys, to anyone who own's a copy of Octopath Traveller 0. Can you confirm if this works for you too, just discovered this early morning that you can enable DLAA even without Luma' Unreal Engine mod just by adding lyall's mod then enable console in Octopath0Fix.ini. While ingame, press "tilde" button and paste this r.AntiAliasingMethod 2.

tried disabling reshade and yah, it works.

[topaz belfry]

So just pasting the dll and adding antialiasing method 2?

[turbid ingot]

yah, and by default this game contains nvngx.dll inside Engine/Plugin/DLSS folder maybe that's why.

not that much graphical changes though, just adds some clarity or sharpness and maybe lessens shimmering too.

[topaz belfry]

cool find

[toxic harness]

Hey, when did batman get DLSS?)

[plain tulip]

?

[toxic harness]

I mean, will batman Arkham knight get dlss?

[plain tulip]

ah lol

when someone feels like doing it

[red heath]

https://tenor.com/view/bed-time-gif-21640936

[plain tulip]

the arkham games actually use a heavily modified unreal engine 3

this mod isn't relevant afaik

[void hull]

That is what I heard as well

[visual forge]

@red heath is it possible ?

[topaz belfry]

not with this mod for sure

in general, maybe

[red heath]

Musa needs to do it to grow up into a full programmer

[stiff gorge]

Someone would have to implement motion vectors into the game. Arkham Knight uses stock FXAA.

[red heath]

no per object motion blur?

[stiff gorge]

The velocity buffer that UE3 games use for motion blur skinning is not a general purpose per-pixel motion vector field. It's highly selective, geared towards skeletal meshes only.

Most objects/materials simply don't participate. Skinned meshes may use object transform velocity approximations or skip it entirely. UE3's translucencies either don’t write depth or don’t have proper velocities, DLSS would need reactive masks.

I’d start by treating Gears of War: Reloaded as a reference, see what's feeding the upscaler. The presence and format of a true velocity buffer and check whether it includes skinned/deforming primitives. Also look for a transparency mask or any pass that’s clearly classifying translucency/particles/emissives for history rejection.

I should also add that the last time I worked on a UE3 title was in 2011 on a 2010 engine base. So it’s possible things changed in the years leading up to Arkham Knight, but I doubt it.

[red heath]

@topaz belfry the new motion vecs visualizer of DLSS 4.5 is super amazing

[topaz belfry]

that's huge!

[red heath]

will probably save hours

might help me fix mafia III and Just Cause 3

this was in DLSS R

RR

not sure if SR has it too

[jovial tartan]

Isn't that an intro to a nine inch nails song?

[balmy bobcat]

Does this work in DQ11S?

r.TemporalAASamples=2 was the trick wow it worked i cant believe it

now the only thing DQ11S is missing is HDR

[topaz belfry]

Reno ue doesn't work?

[balmy bobcat]

not for this game, its doing some form of custom implementation or something

[topaz belfry]

Luma won't work either then once we implement then

[balmy bobcat]

rip well i hope some day someone makes a custom mod for it to add hdr

its really the only piece still missing

the game has all the other mods to make it look as good (or better) than the non S

plus all the benefits S has

[balmy bobcat]

if i try to use screen percentage less than 100, Luma breaks

which is not super great, i dont really want to use DLAA

i wonder if i can force a profile override in nvpi

ugh, didnt work

ill just stick to profile F, tbh M and L are adding aliasing

[digital otter]

where did you get Luma for this game can you link me? I need the beta Luma that has HDR support

[velvet harbor]

Fallen Order has native HDR (but you’ll need Lilium’s Black Floor Fix), Luma only do TAA to DLAA at the moment

[topaz belfry]

I think for DLAA F is still fantastic

[balmy bobcat]

And really performant, I never realized how much heavier K was than F

[topaz belfry]

Yeah the new transforme models have a much heavier resolution penalty. At lower resolutions they are very comparable.

[storm forge]

E my 🐐

Not as good AA but so much crisper

[topaz belfry]

best balance/performance ratio and just overall consistent across the board

wish they just backported the highlight fix to the cnn models

would be golden

[red heath]

they depend on the training set

they aren't math fixes

[topaz belfry]

it's because they used images in linear space to train right?

[red heath]

they had previously trained on pre-tonemapped images

supposedly in HDR but dunno

[void hull]

DLSS 4.5 achieves a breakthrough in lighting effects by solving a traditional challenge faced by Temporal Anti-Aliasing (TAA), and earlier super resolution models. Previous techniques operated in logarithmic space to dampen flickering, which unfortunately resulted in muted lighting, clipped details, and crushed shadows in high-contrast scenes. In comparison, DLSS 4.5 Super Resolution trains and infers directly in** linear space**, the game engine’s native ground truth. Because the new AI model is powerful enough to manage instability without compressing the data, it accumulates lighting with physical accuracy, allowing glowing neon signs and bright reflections to retain their full color range and detail.

They mentioned this in this article
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/dlss-4-5-dynamic-multi-frame-gen-6x-2nd-gen-transformer-super-res/

No idea how accurate it actually is because Nvidia's marketing department and their technical department aren't always on the same line

[red heath]

HDR coming.

got it running

[red heath]

Vanilla SDR
vs
Luma HDR

[visual forge]

2 and 3 were same

[ripe star]

Hi, very intersting find you got here. How do I enable console in the .ini file? And is there a way to effectively use DLSS like with quality or balanced mode? I'd like to try this on Octopath 2

[topaz belfry]

you can try your luck enabling dynamicres and setting screenpercentage to 67 using engine variables.

[ripe star]

Ok but how can I enable console?

[topaz belfry]

https://codeberg.org/Lyall/Octopath2Fix/releases

Try this maybe

Sometimes lyall adds enabling the console in his mods

[spiral burrow]

Do you know if the luma addon needs to be updated when a game goes from demo to retail? I copied the files over to the main release and dlaa is not working

[topaz belfry]

Which game?

Dq7r?

[spiral burrow]

yes, dq7r

[topaz belfry]

Did you update lyall and engine variables for the retail copy?

Sadly luma depends on being able to force the TAA so if that is not working Luma won't work.

[spiral burrow]

yeah, i pretty much just went into the demo win64 folder and copied it over to the final release win64 folder

i confirmed all the ini file settings were exactly the same, too

[topaz belfry]

But lyall fix seems like it hasn't been updated for the retail release

So that's probably why it doesn't work

[ripe star]

Yeah I tried that but unfortunately it isn’t on by default it seems. Nevermind it’s not that important, it’s not like the game is heavy or something but I like to fiddle with DLSS when I can.

[topaz belfry]

The console? You might still be able to set engine variables trough the ini even if no console

[spiral burrow]

ultrawide works with the same demo mod, but that actually makes sense, the cvar part of the mod probably needs to be updated. i'll keep an eye out for it and report back.

[spiral burrow]

@topaz belfry update. I forgot to copy the Luma folder when i copied the files earlier :l it still works ;D

[topaz belfry]

good to know

[red heath]

I tried it on 3 games, and worked on all out of the box.

no need for custom code.

As long as it's dx11, it should work. Even UE5.

[vale birch]

can't wait to test this out

[velvet harbor]

What game is this?

[vale birch]

based on the screenshot name, The Ascent

[blazing drum]

Wow this actually looks amazing

This translates from SDR so well unlike many other methods. Really nice job

[velvet harbor]

Completely forgot about that game lol
It was a stuttering fest back when it was released

[tepid sierra]

shiet was almost boutta ask was well

[storm forge]

The Ascent

[deft sun]

Holy fuck that's sexy

DX11 only though

[red heath]

Abzu

[red heath]

@topaz belfry gonna do some auto detection

if on first boot it detects an HDR screen

HDR will enable itself

otherwise, it will be exposed and require a restart.

similar to SK

Luma UE HDR

[red heath]

it's in

[void hull]

Would that also be the case for the few DX11 UE3 titles or are those too old?

[red heath]

no

[red heath]

me too

[red heath]

wait, what's hte problem

fails to load?

[visual forge]

game does not start

[obsidian gale]

same here

[topaz belfry]

yeah addon failing to load atm

[red heath]

submitted fix

[topaz belfry]

new build works

[vale birch]

ooh, which game do I try first

[topaz belfry]

uh oh

Fatal error: [File:Unknown] [Line: 198] Unreal Engine is exiting due to D3D device being lost. (Error: 0x887A0006 - 'HUNG')

seems like there might be an issue?

it does look good

[obsidian gale]

i tried forcing dlaa on monkeyk ing hero is back which only has TAA but no success

dlss indicator doesn't show up

hdr works t ho

https://giphy.com/gifs/hot-damn-RYncCb9oPLtW8

DQ11S DLAA + HDR

@thorny hawk

[red heath]

can't use the left/right comparison btw

it's not gonna be the real SDR

because HDR passes through a LUT, so i can't branch per pixel.

[red heath]

haven't had that

[obsidian gale]

pumbo cooked like never before

[topaz belfry]

what game?

[red heath]

https://tenor.com/view/take-it-back-arnold-schwarzeegger-angry-gif-14193165

[obsidian gale]

okay pumbo cooked like ALWAYS BEFORE

[obsidian gale]

monkey king hero is back

[topaz belfry]

so far two games, maybe an issue with the split mode, will try without

[obsidian gale]

tried forcing taa in engine ini but

no dlaa

only hdr :3

[topaz belfry]

ah don't have it sadly

broken in dq3

[obsidian gale]

@red heath are you spoofing native hdr in games ?

@deft sun native hdr luma 3000 nits on fallen order + DLAA

[topaz belfry]

SDR path

[obsidian gale]

didn't even have to do anything ingame

game is just sdr path from the get go

[storm forge]

If I update Luma in the games I'm using it with RenoDX, do I need to remove Reno as well or can Luma let it handle the HDR upgrade ?

[red heath]

yeah i had the same in abzu

[red heath]

why would u use both

[red heath]

no. read the Enable Luma HDR tooltip

[storm forge]

Cuz Reno has tons of options and I've set a few of them up already

[obsidian gale]

hmm weird

fallen order has no hdr toggle

like it wasn't detected at all

[storm forge]

Also it can switch presets idk about Luma

[red heath]

like what

[obsidian gale]

luma just worked

[storm forge]

Like all the sliders ?

Just asking whether it can let Reno do it or not anyway

[red heath]

u can disable hdr in luma

[storm forge]

Okie dokie, might juggle with the two on the fly even then

Thanks 🙂

[red heath]

needs reboot

[storm forge]

Oh

[deft sun]

https://tenor.com/view/adam-sandler-holy-shit-im-gonna-cum-uncut-gems-gif-16079494

[red heath]

why? reno didn't work with it?

[obsidian gale]

nay

custom ue fork

[topaz belfry]

SDR vs HDR

yeah jedi has a reno mod from Musa

[red heath]

@small hemlock did they change the LUT encoding/decoding?

i guess not because if i have pattern scanning for it

[obsidian gale]

only the sequel

not the og

[topaz belfry]

custom tonemapper or something?

[obsidian gale]

this is the og

[red heath]

what this?

change the chrominance slider a bit

it's too much in some games

[red heath]

why wouldnt it work with reno?

nobody imported the LUT shader?

[obsidian gale]

idk

musa would know

[topaz belfry]

Tyrant's Realm

[void hull]

In fallen order iirc the HDR toggle only shows up in exclusive fullscreen mode

And indeed Musa's mod is only for Jedi Survivor and not Fallen Order

[obsidian gale]

ah

double benefit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1140604468770111508/1469095030386855937/starwarsjedifallenorder_2026-02-05_23-18-50_109.png?ex=698668dd&is=6985175d&hm=142023975221f846be47f9bf9507d68c89c1b10f6635f756d01ee793faf9c2d5&

so sick

2000 nits light sabers

[storm forge]

https://tenor.com/view/schwartz-spaceballs-i-see-your-schwartz-is-as-big-as-mine-lone-star-dark-helmet-gif-16584348648557324647

Kidding, can't even contemplate 2000nits here

[topaz belfry]

renodx / renodx sdr grading bypass

[cursive reef]

VN scenes in this are unfortunately broken without custom shader fixes tried adding support for it in reno UE but never found a solution I was happy with

but yea, luma UE looks really great

[topaz belfry]

ah wonder if same issue happens with Luma, did you test?

[cursive reef]

just tried, the game just crashes for me as well. can't get to the visual novel scene I wanted to test lol

the loading screen also heavily flickers

these were the two shaders that needed fixes btw, in case you want to give it a shot

I'd be very suprised if it just worked ootb with Luma lol

[red heath]

LUT builder has NaNs

in older games

they even break the window composition

[red heath]

was this in windowed mode?

[small hemlock]

It’s pq

They have custom Arri-like LUTs before tonemap

[red heath]

ok then Luma might be broken, too loose auto detection

[small hemlock]

In Jedi survivor

Idk about fallen order

[red heath]

so far all the games i tried worked

[visual forge]

Does the game require TAA for HDR ?

[red heath]

no

[red heath]

fixed this

should be smooth with most games now.

[red heath]

Ashen

Scorn (DLSS + HDR, massive difference in sharpness)

100MB screenshots

Rime

[velvet harbor]

Just in time for my ECHO playthrough
I’ll report back when I get home

[topaz belfry]

banding a little more visible here in HDR

[red heath]

that's just the screenshot

[vale birch]

testing this in Sifu currently. Noticed that if I go into photomode that it sometimes causes the screen to go black except for the UI

removed all the other reshade addons just to make sure those weren't causing the issue

re-entering photomode fixes it sometimes but I'll have to reload the level to get it to go away when that doesn't work

Sifu SDR vs HDR

[red heath]

There's some edge cases with automatic textures upgrades I need to handle.

[vale birch]

crashed a few times as well in Sifu

[visual forge]

Does it disable ingame HDR or have to do it manually ?

[topaz belfry]

device hung as well?

[vale birch]

the PC was fine, but I had to manually close the game from Steam each time it happened

[obsidian gale]

Wdym dont take fallen order hdr from me

[obsidian gale]

Do it manually

[blazing drum]

I usually need to play around with hue and saturation in many games (with reno for example) to get something that looks just right. But man your default settings, working with simple thirds just looks the best. Anytime I change it I feel it actually detracts from the image

It may seem simple on the outside but man you tuned your tonemap expertly

[red heath]

It's Ok. Take some screenshots

[obsidian gale]

still works phew

i'll take screenies when i can

i don't plan on redoing the game it was just to test the custom ue4 cases

i'll certainly do DQ11S tho

we reached peak

hopefully the graphic mods won't break stuff

[red heath]

Advanced settings have vanilla tonemap mode.

Should match vanilla.

[obsidian gale]

i prefer your tonemap

[visual forge]

I can't find full list of unreal engine 4 titles in pcgamingwiki
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_games_that_use_Unreal_Engine_4
This list don't cover beyond letter P

[velvet harbor]

tried the latest build with Echo, somehow it's not working

main menu is creepy lol

[viral prism]

make an account

[balmy bobcat]

Wow this is really exciting

I've been waiting for this day

[surreal mulch]

Oh wait this works on DQXI? And HDR too?

[obsidian gale]

dq11s !

the ultimate ver

[surreal mulch]

So good

Dunno if it would run at acceptable fps with DLAA at 4K tho

[obsidian gale]

runs like a charm here

even with preset M

which is overkill at dlaa

[surreal mulch]

Nice! Will def try when I get around to play it

[balmy bobcat]

You can force render res to be 67% so it is dlss quality instead

Or 50% for performance, etc

[obsidian gale]

i don't think it works

does it werk ?

[balmy bobcat]

You do it in the engine.ini or something

Worked when I was messing with it

@obsidian gale false memory, my experience was that it didn't work

It breaks luma

[obsidian gale]

yeah

it odesn't work just tested

it's native res or bust

upscaling needs custom work

[balmy bobcat]

Yah I knew I wrote something down

[surreal mulch]

Ohhh thats great

[balmy bobcat]

Yeah DLAA + F is the way to go for this game

[surreal mulch]

Oops

[balmy bobcat]

Sorry I misremembered, I knew I could adjust it but forgot it broke

[marsh quail]

gonna test SMTVV soonish, Marat had to do custom work to match SDR hues in Reno

[balmy bobcat]

F is extremely performance light compared to even K much less M

And F was always recommended for DLAA before we had transformer

[obsidian gale]

46% gpu usage for my 5090 at 144hz 4k with F, 75% with M, 80% with L

locked 140 fps

but preset M has shimmering on trees

K and F are okay

[surreal mulch]

I have a 4080 but I’ll probably be fine too I guess

[surreal mulch]

L shouldn’t have it no?

But yeah probably not needed

[obsidian gale]

it's kinda there

but more muted

not as stable as K

for sure

[balmy bobcat]

At least in the first area, L and M really made the game appear to be oversharpened

and I didn't like what K did to it either it removed grass moving far away

But since I'm also targeting 225 fps L/M toooooo expensive anyways

[velvet harbor]

found the culprit, it was RTSS

I can boot, but it crashes after 3-4 mins without any error

[velvet harbor]

After searching this problem appears to be related to intel cpus 10th gen and up

https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/360019775837-Game-does-not-launch-Intel-10th-gen-CPU-or-newer?product=gog

[topaz belfry]

Yeah it would break post process effects if you upscale during the TAA pass without upscaling stuff

[visual forge]

I don't feel excited for games as much as my childhood, but I do feel excited for trying proper HDR 😁

[rapid saffron]

I'm like 80% through Fallen Order right now, time to see, though the native HDR wasn't all that bad compared to most.

[rigid bolt]

ur talking about the project rebuilds mods from nexus i assume? can you let us know if they work

[velvet harbor]

Dead Island 2 show a black screen, game is running and UI is rendered

Ghostrunner works out of the box, looks insane with HDR

[velvet harbor]

nope still crashes

[red heath]

i don't think it's DX11, possibly customized engine. big game.

the smaller the game, the more it's likely to work.

[red heath]

that does look nice.

could u take comparison screenshots with and without HDR?

see TONEMAP_TYPE in the advanced settings.

[red heath]

there's a crashing problem with Luma.

need to figure out what.

[velvet harbor]

it crashes too without Luma

[velvet harbor]

ok gimme a couple of minutes

[velvet harbor]

I checked Github and it says it works (but with past versions)

[vale birch]

the crash error I get with Sifu

[topaz belfry]

yeah same error I have been getting

[visual forge]

Same

On different game

[blazing drum]

Yea Crash 4 crashes too, seems to be universal

[velvet harbor]

Anyone knows cvars to disable FSR? I want to test Under the Waves and if I remember correctly it had forced FSR2 with no option in graphics menu to disable it

[blazing drum]

Realizing the art for Crash 4 doesn't really hold up in HDR sometimes, particles are made really dim so that they don't clip in SDR, making fire for example relatively dim in HDR. A lot of "emissive" textures like a lit-up window for example are just diffuse textures painted yellow to simulate a light from inside, so again it doesn't clip as much in SDR

Makes things look rather disconnected and sometimes quite ugly when playing in HDR

[red heath]

Randomly?

[blazing drum]

Pretty much?

It happens more often on load

But it can happen randomly during gameplay too

Funny thing about crash 4 that with vanilla it outputs natively in 10-bit in SDR

[deft sun]

All UE games have been doing this for a while

[blazing drum]

They do? Never paid much attention

[red heath]

yeah though if they added any post process pass between the tonemap and swapchain

it defaulted to 8bit, hence quantized to it, and obviously nobody noticed

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[red heath]

many games do, to do stuff like overlays etc, semi UI semi 3D world stuff

[topaz belfry]

This random crash is new and cam after HDR is very consistent.

[topaz belfry]

I'll try to help debug this.

[red heath]

gotta be some resource upgrade thing

[topaz belfry]

that or maybe some dead lock perhaphs?

can anyone test disabling steam overlay and trying again, opti developer said that solved his issue.

would help narrow down stuff

[red heath]

dead locks don't crash instantly

[topaz belfry]

                     if (!hash_based_indirect_texture_format_upgrades)
                     {
                        com_ptr<ID3D11BlendState> blend_state;
                        native_device_context->OMGetBlendState(&blend_state, nullptr, nullptr);
                        if (blend_state)
                        {
                           D3D11_BLEND_DESC blend_desc;
                           blend_state->GetDesc(&blend_desc);
                           for (size_t i = 0; i < D3D11_SIMULTANEOUS_RENDER_TARGET_COUNT; i++)
                           {
                              ASSERT_ONCE(rtvs[i].get() == nullptr || IsRTBlendDisabled(blend_desc.RenderTarget[i]));
                           }
                        }

This assertion triggers, although it doesn't crash right after

Exception thrown at 0x00007FF7D63B3518 in Endeavor-Win64-Shipping.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0x0000000000000000.

Endeavor-Win64-Shipping.exe!CreateAndUpdatePooledUniformBuffer(ID3D11Device * Device=0x000001cb69929c10, ID3D11DeviceContext * Context=0x000001cb675f0b00, const void * Contents=0x0000007a1a49d840, unsigned int NumBytes=4032) Line 159 C++

[topaz belfry]

ASSERT_ONCE((uint)viewport.Width == rt_size.x && (uint)viewport.Height == rt_size.y);

[red heath]

yes it does, but that could just cause visual issues I think, no crashes

[topaz belfry]

looking trough the code atm still

[topaz belfry]

this is tough, I think it's some race condition somewhere

[red heath]

ah ok it's just a nullptr

[red heath]

this always happens on boot or loading screens

i don't think it's related to crashing.

[topaz belfry]

Isn't that just because of device hung and timeout of create returns null? Not too sure how dx11 works

Should probably have enable hdr to false for now until we figure it out BTW

[red heath]

added HDR to the list, can u mark the games u tried?

[topaz belfry]

should I mark as working if they crash?

[red heath]

sure

[vale birch]

what symbol are you guys using for the crashed ones? I see Sifu is marked red but the HDR part works, just crashes

[red heath]

It's whatever

I'll fix the issues anyway

[vale birch]

all good 🙂

just wanted to stay consistent is all but I have faith in our glorious leader

[red heath]

#🖼️hdr-screenshots message add this to list!

[visual forge]

DLSS + HDR works, but minor issues

[vale birch]

there's some really sweet screenshots of this in Otis' server. Game looks surprisingly good

[visual forge]

resolution and input problems in SW jedi fallen order on reshade.

[visual forge]

Samurai jack

[topaz belfry]

Yeah gotta figure that issue out. How long did it last before crash?

[visual forge]

11 minutes

[red heath]

triggers:

• loading screens
• changing resolutuon

[topaz belfry]

Triggers during random gameplay too.

[untold crow]

Are people crashing having undervolts? Just a suggestion

[rapid saffron]

Fallen Order just has weird res/input problems in general sometimes. Though Unreal HDR caused crashes for me on Illum (I believe it's spelled.) every time I left the ship after a few minutes. Went back to the in game HDR till I beat it.

Lasted tops 5-6 minutes since booting the game, I only tried three times or so.

[topaz belfry]

Problem is reno need a screen percentage 100 and a lot of ue games do weird stuff. I had to force screen percentage to 100 in dragon quest because they sometimes do upscaling when using higher settings. But we have render resolution from the global view.

[red heath]

why does it? doesn't it upgrade textures by aspect ratio

[topaz belfry]

Idk but it would break ui composition and other stuff when screen percentage was > 100 in a few games I tried. Not sure why

Didn't look at the code

[topaz belfry]

Didn't try with <100 but I assume similar issues will show

[red heath]

Does >100 work?

[topaz belfry]

No that one for sure broke things for me when I tried in dragon quest.

This is reno I'm talking btw

[red heath]

But in general

[topaz belfry]

Haven't tried renodx ue in other games that set random screen percentage. I guess I could force it by ini

[cursive reef]

I remember asterigos uses a screen percentage value below 100 when set to fxaa for some weird reason. and it works with reno, but you have to select bgr8 typeless output ratio upgrades, output size obviously doesn't work

[topaz belfry]

maybe I just forgot to set it to ratio

[red heath]

Without reno 🤣🤣🤣

In Unreal. Can u do supersampling

[topaz belfry]

let me try real quick

make sure I am not spreading misinfo

[topaz belfry]

definetly works on dragon quest. not sure if it depends on engine version.

[velvet harbor]

Life is Strange: True Colors works, but DLSS is grayed out

[topaz belfry]

does dlss work if you disable hdr?

[velvet harbor]

Under the waves crashes with this error LoginId:c354044d4ced89407b494fbc863f28d3
EpicAccountId:0a12c56945844383a00d6c6196c66ede

Fatal error: [File:Unknown] [Line: 198] Unreal Engine is exiting due to D3D device being lost. (Error: 0x887A0006 - 'HUNG')

UnderTheWaves_Win64_Shipping
UnderTheWaves_Win64_Shipping
UnderTheWaves_Win64_Shipping
UnderTheWaves_Win64_Shipping
UnderTheWaves_Win64_Shipping
UnderTheWaves_Win64_Shipping
UnderTheWaves_Win64_Shipping
UnderTheWaves_Win64_Shipping
UnderTheWaves_Win64_Shipping
UnderTheWaves_Win64_Shipping
kernel32
ntdll

[velvet harbor]

according to Github, I need to download a specific for it to work but I'll try again without hdr

[velvet harbor]

Also looks broken with HDR

[topaz belfry]

weird that it works on older versions and not newer ones.

[red heath]

dx11 already had HDR. Misses ray tracing though

[topaz belfry]

don't own the game sadly

[red heath]

pushed a little update that disables some wrong code branch.

probably doesn't fix crashes but who knows.

[topaz belfry]

@red heath seems to be fine now, Scarlet Nexus no crash after several minutes, used to crash pretty fast after loading a save

[obsidian gale]

You trying to figure out how to dlaa dx12

[cursive reef]

scarlet still crashes for me really quickly

and VN scenes are borked, which is expected given they're custom

I tried making game bar screenshots, and the game crashed on me lol

clash artifacts of chaos has a warning sign next to the hdr toggle

and hdr doesn't work

[red heath]

?

[velvet harbor]

Tried the new build with Echo, thankfully didn't crash

[cursive reef]

For the visual novel story scenes the game uses custom made, non standard UE shaders

[velvet harbor]

DLSS Model M vs TAA

[red heath]

Add to wiki

[cursive reef]

@red heath it there's only one or two custom shaders that need fixes for a game to be compatible with Luma, could we add them to the mod

[velvet harbor]

Done, engine version 4.14.0.0

[red heath]

Which ones

[velvet harbor]

seems I can't edit it

ue version I mean

[topaz belfry]

Damn, maybe I did just get lucky

[cursive reef]

For example scarlet nexus

But also the quarry, chorus, rain code, tales of arise... All of those have like one or two shaders that needed fixing up for reno UE to work

[velvet harbor]

now it show up

tested Under the Waves but now

niether hdr nor dlss is working

[red heath]

Is it just removing a saturate at the end of post process shaders?

U can copy and paste the custom shaders from reno in the Luma folder. Should work.

[cursive reef]

For example, or fixing unsafe pows that cause artifacts or just a post process shader that expects an SDR color

[cursive reef]

Yea but could we add them to github

[velvet harbor]

Spoke too soon

MachineId:C354044D4CED89407B494FBC863F28D3
EpicAccountId:0a12c56945844383a00d6c6196c66ede

You do not have any debugging symbols required to display the callstack for this crash.

I got that crash after a while

[red heath]

just the ones that are actually needed.

and ideally copy the format from TheAscent, it already has a couple shaders.

Reno renodx references in the shader if u copy them.

Feel free to make a pr.

thx

[marsh quail]

DEADLINE DELIVERY (demo) works at Ultra, game is a bit too orange so may need to nudge the Chrominance slider a bit
SDR DLAA M / HDR DLAA F / HDR DLAA K / HDR DLAA M

M handles the powerlines the worst out of all 3

[topaz belfry]

man so much aliasing with M

look at the yello ring in the floor too

how is L?

[marsh quail]

not much better, but less aliasing than M

while stationary both L and M are flickery too

none of the preset handle the powerlines gracefully tbh
F blends them a lot and is aliased
J/K are aliased but stable
L/M are aliased, unstable but preserves highlights better (ie that yellow ring)

[topaz belfry]

I think they expect the blur of upscaling from lower resolutions to compensate for the sharpness, maybe?

[marsh quail]

yeah i don't think we're supposed to use L/M at DLAA lol

another shot
F/J/K/L/M

[topaz belfry]

I know some of the people in the opti discord add some blur to 4.5 to help with shimmering

[marsh quail]

they use output scaling too iirc? so that the downscaling blurs 4.5 a bit

[topaz belfry]

yeah that's what they do

they add a small amount of upscaling to add blur

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/995299946028871735/1459613208787554345/image.png?ex=698b773b&is=698a25bb&hm=e86465917d4a9803274ff64848ace55e0c4ce9cc173372c08ac133b79b5eded4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=3145&height=1769

[marsh quail]

values that small don't seem to negate the shimmer on this one

need at least 1.2 (upscale to 1728p) to effectively reduce it

game stays locked at 120fps, very easy to run

at 8K i'm still getting 116fps despite DLSS costing about 6ms

[topaz belfry]

It's a great option for older games

[marsh quail]

even F starts to look extremely clean and sharp

while at 1440p native it's a lot blurrier

not as sharp as M mind you, but really good nonetheless (at OS1.5)

targeting F 8K with OS looks almost as sharp as M 1440p DLAA lol (and only costs 3ms)

[obsidian lava]

I've been using 2.0 on a 1440p display with the new presets. Solves the sharpened look for the most part and the blurring in motion, as well as better anti-aliasing and reduced moire patterns. Using a small amount like 1.1 just doesn't look very good, still has blurring in motion and doesn't really solve the sharp/painterly look. The new presets really need a higher output res to look good imo

[obsidian gale]

@topaz belfry i can't hook dlaa to project wingman

hdr works

the game ahs taa and taa high in settings

i even tried fxaa + engine ini but no sucess

[topaz belfry]

Log?

[obsidian gale]

the reshade log ?

[topaz belfry]

Do you know if it uses taau instead of taa what's the engine version?

[obsidian gale]

4.27.2

idk if it uses taau

wait wtf

i just restarted the game and it hooked

[topaz belfry]

I... have not idea what would make that happen

[obsidian gale]

maybe the game only set up some settings after restarting

🤔

[topaz belfry]

Add it to the wiki BTW

[rancid pine]

Btw think I figured out why Fatal Fury doesnt work, seems to have some sort of custom code for motion vectors or something

[topaz belfry]

cotw is a ue game?

not surprise that a japanese game has custom ue code

[rancid pine]

UE5 yeah (but DX11 works)

specifically there's a r.SNKSkipVelocityPass variable that breaks TAA, so I assume there's some custom code involved

[visual forge]

did not encounter crash in samurai jack, encounter crash in spongebob and biomutant during gameplay

maybe due to shader compiling

[red heath]

That could be it too

[red heath]

new build with some improvements

[pseudo kelp]

am I crazy or is the UE version missing with this new build?

[topaz belfry]

it is missing

failed to build

[red heath]

yeah

[red heath]

fixed. 5m

[red heath]

would u like to find a way to send warnigns if builds fail?

i purposely changed it to avoid everything failing, and still publish the ones that built properly

but now it won't tell me if anything failed

[topaz belfry]

oh was about to push the fix

[topaz belfry]

indirect uprades breaks this game really badly

there was a failed to create indirect texture error this time

right before the crash

guess this is the first thing we should implement on native devices isntead of resahde

[red heath]

did u try the latest version?

after i fixed it

i put some code to mitigate that

[red heath]

what is?

[topaz belfry]

yeah this is latest build

[topaz belfry]

texture upgrade, with spoofing like you mentioned

[red heath]

take a capture is see what resource are upgraded

[red heath]

talked to crosire, it seems like it's a dangerous path.

might not be the best idea.

we can just polish what we have (indirect texture replacement)

live swapping the upgraded texture for every reference to the original.

[red heath]

also, if u click "Enable Mod"

Mod Active

or whatever, the button at the top

it should disable the upgrades i think

or in the dev settings, there's a button to clear all the indirect upgraded textures

try these

[topaz belfry]

started fine this time, but still crashed shortly after

[rancid pine]

KOF XV is a very tough nut to crack
native TAA is unusuable because of jitter
DLSS preset L with super low temporalaafiltersize gets close (still a bit of jitter) but little parts get extreme blur

at least luma HDR works because renodx HDR breaks the UI in dx11 mode

also, have you looked into screen percentages over 100 at all or is that a non starter

[topaz belfry]

they remove jitter or something?

[rancid pine]

Idk exactly what the issue is

[strong jacinth]

i am getting this error happen in dragon quest vii with luma installed
running it in dx11 and dlaa is working
game runs fine without luma installed
also tried running with no upscaler but this happens also

[obsidian gale]

crash happens randomly or after some time since u say dlaa works ?

[strong jacinth]

it just happens at random
usually within a few minutes of launching the game
just walking around the starting area
dlaa works

[topaz belfry]

issue with the HDR, disable it for now or wait for update

[strong jacinth]

updated to the new version from 6 hours ago and still getting the same crash

[red heath]

Nothing changed

[strong jacinth]

ooohh, that'll be why then
sorry haha

[marsh quail]

nah nvm works after a restart
(luma hdr / sdr)

default settings make the blade blue instead of white

similar to what marat encountered

[topaz belfry]

interesting I would like to see what untonemapped looks like here

[slim zephyr]

If I understand correctly, Luma is crashing with HDR for now. I'm playing Stray. It crash with LowLevelFatalError 0x887A0006. If I disable Luma HDR, but add RenoDX addon for HDR, it works nicely.

[red heath]

yeah

u can disable the HDR of Luma

@topaz belfry feel free to disable it by default until we fix it, don't have too much time atm

[calm pivot]

Ey guys. Do you remember if when you made LUMA for The Ascent there was a way to toggle or to fix the brightness of that circle the player always has around him?

[red heath]

It's in one of the shaders called TheAscent_

[calm pivot]

Awesome! Maybe U+ guys can make it a toggle. Appreciate it:))

[red heath]

No per game toggles.

Just find the shader and make it return 0

[calm pivot]

Tales of Arise working with LUMA and RenoDX. I was curious to see how DLSS would look in this kind of blury by nature game and well... I'm becoming more and more LUMA dependent now haha. This find completely shifted my backlog.

[proud surge]

@obsidian gale i got the screenshots now, this is using LUMA and this is where i currently am in the game in the forest part thing i forgot the name lol

[obsidian gale]

this looks fine to me

[proud surge]

being constantly at 900+ nits is fine? im new at this so idrk and for me it kinda looks flat idk maybe is just me tbh

[obsidian gale]

i mean they are highlights

looking at the heatmap

only the center of the fire is pushing peak for example

not everything

🤔

how is it with native hdr + black floor fix ?

it should match in brightness

[obsidian gale]

well highlights pop as they should

doesn't shock me looking at it on these screenshots

you have all the details there

@deft sun anything looks weird to you here ?

[proud surge]

with native hdr + black floor fix it looks a little more darker but is kinda the same thing the brightness most of the time is at 900+ nits

[obsidian gale]

when you said that on the reddit thread i thought you had constantly 900 nits everywhere

[proud surge]

so what do u consider bad hdr then when theres no detail in light stuff?

[obsidian gale]

but looking at the graphs and heatmap it's very specifically the highlights

[obsidian gale]

there can be plenty of reasons but yeah having clipped details means it's not real hdr to start with

[proud surge]

like for example in this dark areas the nit is at 900+ isnt it suppose to be at like near 0?

[obsidian gale]

ofc this game native hdr is real hdr

it has details aswell

LUMA should match SDR color wise

but the native hdr skips the grading iirc

so it's kinda it's own thing

[proud surge]

so for you using luma is better than native hdr + black floor fix

[obsidian gale]

i'm not sure what you are referring to

you can open lilium analysis and tick show heatmap

everything is dark here except the few lights on the right and behind cal

the peaks you see are only the highlights

not the entire image

here too

only the lights

everything blue is lower than sdr brightness

[proud surge]

Ohhh I see I didn’t know that thank u for teaching me

I thought becuz the chart read 900+ everything was pure 900+

Also when I turn on the heat map I don’t get that blue thing how you turn the blue thing on

[obsidian gale]

it's a screenshot tool analyzer

yours is grey and has other colors

but the point is the same

sdr is monochrome instead of blue

https://youtu.be/_nHWLpc7E8I?t=176

here i showcase yours

[red heath]

as of now the only things broken are:

• fades to white or black are broken with Luma HDR (I think in reno too often)
• crashes

[proud surge]

Ohh so for me the greyish is the blue in those screenshots

[proud surge]

Ye this video is how ik bout lilium n the hdr data base thing thanks

[obsidian gale]

so yeah you should be good, if you experience crashes it might be the hdr portion of luma so just disable that and use ingame HDR(dlaa should work fine) because the hdr thing is very new

[proud surge]

I got a AMD gpu and when you say use ingame hdr you mean it with lilium or without lilium if luma crashes my game

[obsidian gale]

with lilium ya

game needs it

with luma hdr lilium disabled
if ingame native hdr lilium enabled

[proud surge]

Ight thanks I appreciate it

Also for new games like for example RE9 or Marathon how long does it usually take for the hdr analysis data base to post em

[obsidian gale]

dpeends on koklusz free time

re9 will have reno mod very quick

just use it straight up xD

marathon will prolly block reshade idk

[proud surge]

Lmao how to know if the game works best with reno or luma if there’s no like sources to tell u

[red heath]

nobody knew there was america either

they found it

and wrote down a wiki about it

(just don't kill anybody in the process)

[proud surge]

Lmao naw I’m saying like if the game is very new and not in any wiki just try reno and fuck it?

[obsidian gale]

There is a reno wiki and a luma wiki

With compatible games listed

[proud surge]

The gift hub right

[obsidian gale]

Ya githubs

[solar mountain]

i was using RTX HDR with Arise, then i swapped basically everygame where luma or reno hdr is available,so i installed luma universal UE mod for Tale of Arise. Game looks really hdr, lol compared to RTX hdr, it was sdr sort of washed out in comparison. Problem is, im getting these weird glitch in the HUD, and when i open and close the menu, i have a strange flicker. Anyone can tell me what could it be, or if any arise sdk settings might do this?

[red heath]

not sure. would need to look at the game. looks like NaNs.

[solar mountain]

What you need? Reshade logs or luma logs?

[solar mountain]

Nvm sorry, just noticed tales of arise is not checked for hdr. disabling hdr on luma plugin, the game works normally. gonna use reno addon for hdr i guess.

[calm pivot]

I'm using RenoDX for this one. That was happening in an old version, but it's fixed now so try getting the latest version. I'm using LUMA for DLAA and RenoDX for HDR. Both work perfectly so far.

[solar mountain]

Yep, and that was my bad. I had luma HDR active, so was getting crazy, also it even crashed the game wandering around lol. then got renoDX for hdr, switched Luma hdr off, and everything works good so far, maybe some white flash , idk it works, just maybe some flashing white hapen, but didn't test for long. Do you use TAA+SMAA? also would be nice to see your reno configs

[calm pivot]

In the LUMA GitHub site there is a note saying you have to use AriseSDK and change a line in its config files regarding TAA.

[topaz belfry]

going to do a patch for arise, give me a few minutes

[solar mountain]

yup, i have arise sdk, and properly configured ini

[solar mountain]

i could take a video and show you, just a combat and you will noticed what im talking about, if you want.

also, would be nice to have tales of berseria remastered, they use dx12 i think, but unity engine. Dunno if it can be forced DX11

[topaz belfry]

will also default HDR to off until we solve the issues with crashing.

[topaz belfry]

don't own the game to mod it

[solar mountain]

Well, if you would mod it properly, i would even willing to gift you a key😂

[topaz belfry]

no promises, I think @inner mantle is working on HDR fi that's what you want I have no idea if the game can have DLSS before I see it. So I won't promise you anything.

also have a bit of backlog

really want to be done with granblue atm

[solar mountain]

@topaz belfry yes no worries. atm i just know it uses SMAA, is unity engine, about dx, it states dx12, dunno if it can be forcced on dx11. not much experience modding unity games tbh

lol what, it uses DX 11? but on website it states need dx 12. im a little confused

[inner mantle]

@solar mountain @topaz belfry my wip unreal-extended mod works with tales of arise, but the problem is UE-Extended runs the filmic tonemapper because its mostly made for newer UE games

Arise runs the old ass legacy tonemapper; so the filmic TM will feel like it has a ton more contrast -- you can reduce contrast to ~40 in UE-Extended and it should feel fine

its not a perfect solution, but if you really want arise HDR is something

also @topaz belfry voosh working on unity realized all of the dx12 shit is actually 11on12

all the shaders can safely run as 5_0, just the swapchain is 5_x (5_1)

[small hemlock]

time for mobile tonemapper extended

[inner mantle]

idc enough for that, mobile/legacy is just a washed out tm -- the contrast or even the gamma offset you shared can probably look 10x better than mobile/legacy extended

(I'm not trying to shill my mod here, izueh pinged me; I reply with what I have)

[topaz belfry]

they were talking about berseria which is unity

[inner mantle]

oh I saw arisesdk and thought arise

[topaz belfry]

oh they were talking about also wanting this for berseria

my bad

[inner mantle]

berseria is all voosh territory

he manages unity-generic

unless the game does something cursed, he should be able to get it running; his mod has a function to auto dump all the neccesary shaders

btw doesnt luma have unity? or is dx12 a grief?

[topaz belfry]

ah got it

[inner mantle]

voosh's mod is "psuedo dx12 support", since all the dx12 games he found so far are "fake dx12"/11on12

[topaz belfry]

we have unity, Pumbo is the one that knows about that, but dx12 would not work for sure.

[inner mantle]

copy

btw for arise to work

you just need these shaders

or else it will nan

iirc akuru shared the shaders, but it never got added luma unreal

https://github.com/marat569/renodx/tree/main/src/games/ue-extended/games/talesofarise

4 shaders, only change is adding a safe/signed pow

  // r0.xyz = log2(r1.xyw);
  // r0.xyz = cb0[50].www * r0.xyz;
  // o0.xyz = exp2(r0.xyz);

  o0.rgb = renodx::math::SignPow(r1.xyw, cb0[50].w);

or else the game will NaN like crazy

[red heath]

I already did it

[red heath]

I think u can run it with -dx11 and it forces 11, like Unreal. Didn't know 12 was fake though.

[inner mantle]

yea I talked to voosh about it, he said out of all the games he tested he never found "real dx12"

only change to support dx12 was the swapchain proxy needed cbuffer slot 50/5_1 since it is a dx12 swapchain

[inner mantle]

let me try, I sadly own the game

[red heath]

Might be a slightly different command.

Google it

[red heath]

I don't understand. Shader model 5.1 is OK with 11

[inner mantle]

its reno stuff mostly iirc

shared.h has a preocessor branch

if 5_0 or under
use cb13

5_1 +
use space 50

-dx11 runs berseria in dx11; so if there are no "engine memes" running the game in 11; I guess luma unity should work

(atleast on steam)

didnt know unity had -dx11/-dx12 command like args, today I learned

[inner mantle]

the main reason I dont care about the mobile tonemapper is if a game is old enough to use the mobile/legacy tonemapper, 99% luma unreal will work

my mod is just a stepping stone for current ue5/sm6 games for the most part

[topaz belfry]

I added them now in the latest commit

[inner mantle]

@cursive reef

[cursive reef]

Nice

All the other game fixes in reno UE should be easily copyable as well

And are probably also needed for luma

[inner mantle]

idk if banishers is 11 or 12

but that was just a max 0

iirc it had weird crashing issues with reno-ue (idk I never played the game)

https://github.com/marat569/renodx/blob/5eb50efba0e8959df5c8caab51037896534fabfc/src/games/unrealengine/games/banishers/grading_0x82B600FF.ps_5_x.hlsl#L80

r2.xyz = RENODX_TONE_MAP_TYPE ? r1.xyz : saturate(r1.xyz); just a bool to remove a saturate if hdr is on (and the max 0 in the end)

[topaz belfry]

once we get a stable HDR I will port them over

[inner mantle]

what do you mean stable

as in shader code or

games still rip/crash

[topaz belfry]

we have issues we re resource upgrades crashing games yeah

[inner mantle]

why do that instead of the ole reliable reshade upgrades w/ clones?

any benefit to it

never really understood why luma "re-invented the wheel" (outside of for fun)

[topaz belfry]

well we probably moving away from reshade at some point, so most things are native dx11

[solar mountain]

are you sure it is because of the -dx11 command? i got reshade on it, and it was reading d3d11 without it.

[inner mantle]

didnt you take a pic and it showed d3d12

[solar mountain]

nope

[inner mantle]

wait no its dx11 in your pic

[solar mountain]

yup

[inner mantle]

what the site says is fake news

[solar mountain]

thats why i said wtg lol

[topaz belfry]

so is the game just dx11 then?

[inner mantle]

never trust reccomended specs

yea

[solar mountain]

probably yea

[inner mantle]

the dx12 is prolly "dx12 compatable gpu"

[solar mountain]

yeah

[inner mantle]

he got dx12 from the reccomended settings

[solar mountain]

actual engine run dx11 as is

no -dx11 needed

[inner mantle]

https://i.imgur.com/WqVfO18.png

lets see log but

no dx12

[solar mountain]

unless it does 11on12 shits like you said, i don't know hw to check that

[topaz belfry]

d3d11on12 should show a proxy dx12 device

[solar mountain]

but exposed DX is 11

[topaz belfry]

so it's just dx11

[solar mountain]

lol yea

[topaz belfry]

once I figure out granblue I might go for this one.

[solar mountain]

funny cause it's advertised as DX12

[topaz belfry]

thought I had a solution but hit another roadblock. decompilation on CPU is so much harder than GPU stuff

[inner mantle]

I dont see an uberpost

might just clip

[topaz belfry]

well that makes it easier, no?

just need to display map

[solar mountain]

About Arise, what's the situation then? im using luma for DLLA, and Reno for HDR

[inner mantle]

there is no URP stuff

[inner mantle]

prolly use luma hdr

with the new build

idk where to get it, maybe izuah can post it

[solar mountain]

it's been updated?

[inner mantle]

if thats the case yea, but idk if its just clip

just no URP

[inner mantle]

yea

[solar mountain]

was working, but was having like flash burst of white light

randonly, in combat and sometime opening menu

[topaz belfry]

try new build, if not keep using reno for now

[solar mountain]

is it on latest build on github?

[topaz belfry]

yes

[inner mantle]

there are certain memes with bloom

and iirc a certain AA type doesnt work

try only TAA not

TAA + SMAA

upgrading resources

got me hdr

game might hve nothing to do with unity, just clip

[solar mountain]

Arise is UE, berseria is unity

[inner mantle]

yea talking about berseria

looks like clip to me

wait has a tonemap shjader

gonna move from here

{
  float4 r0;
  uint4 bitmask, uiDest;
  float4 fDest;

  r0.xyzw = t0.Sample(s0_s, v1.xy).xyzw;
  o0.xyzw = cb0[0].xxxx * r0.xyzw;
  return;
}

tonemap is just exposure (actually I think brightness) * color wtf

[cursive reef]

awesome :)

maybe we'll find a solution for scarlet nexus VN scenes as well lol

[topaz belfry]

for sure will love to get that fixed

[calm pivot]

I'm using the generic UE version from RenoDX GitHub.

[solar mountain]

me too, but luma updated his version, with shaders fixed. Idk if reno have been updated with shaders

@topaz belfry offtopic question, does LUMA DLAA needs temporal aliasing, as TAA, to make it work?

[topaz belfry]

yeah the way it works is that it replaces TAA

[hybrid hazel]

Stray crashes with device hung after a few minutes

latest Luma

[topaz belfry]

Disable HDR

[solar mountain]

Tales of Arise is still broken with HDR active. It still not supported? thought it would with added shaders, but it still break visuals.

[topaz belfry]

ah give me a second, I made a mistake with the fix

[solar mountain]

No worries really. Whenever you have time, if you want ❤️

[topaz belfry]

wait like 30 minutes for new build

[solar mountain]

crashed on a skit cutscene, and the exe process got locked, had to reboot for have it closed. hmm. Oh btw, is there a reason for the 1000 peak nits? i have my setup for 2000 nits

2nd run, watched a skit, then when i piccked to sleep on a campfire, crashed again, not as bad as the 1st one. also, when setted on 2k nits, that skit had some flash. hmmm

[solar mountain]

Nvm. Something is wrong with display commander. ff7 rebirth is crashing with just display commander, and the exe got locked again, had to reboot to get it to start.

[calm pivot]

I had Tales of Arise working perfectly even before the fixes. Should I update for those new shaders or it's just for HDR?

[solar mountain]

Trying right now. Anyway, all of a sudden, after i switched my games with DisplayCommander for fpr limiter, wanting to try, and it have really nice perks. then all games i had it installed, just crash. had to delete it on all games. now gonna try tales, and see how it does look

i just dont get why, everything was working when i tryed a few games with it. i don't get how every game i had it on, just started crashing lol

[topaz belfry]

Weird, send the log to pmnox?

[hybrid hazel]

how?

and why its even on when i have hdr on my monitor and windows disabled?

[rapid saffron]

There's a button that literally says HDR in Luma on Unreal, turn it off and reboot game, I've been resorting to Reno for most Unreal still.

[topaz belfry]

shouldn't be on if he has no HDR capable display

[topaz belfry]

are you getting crashes

[hybrid hazel]

yes

every time

old version of luma (27X something) works 100% fine

[topaz belfry]

what is the error?

also can you check if the hdr is set to enabled?

[hybrid hazel]

device hung/removed

[topaz belfry]

check if hdr is enabled, shouldn't happen otherwise

[hybrid hazel]

Ahh it works

Weird that it enables HDR when all my HDR is Off

[topaz belfry]

gotta check that

[oblique axle]

Someone need to make proper HDR tools for Unreal Engine, its source code is open. So modders dont fix games after))

Engine dont have real 10000 nit support for the future, its hdr toolset is kinda old, from early days of hdr displays

[topaz belfry]

they have to accept the PR, I think Pumbo may have or is doing this tho

they update to ACES 2 recently and pumbo says it still sucks

[marsh quail]

pumbo has a UE fork with proper hdr iirc? the one he offers his services for via Gamma Studios

[solar mountain]

lol im going nuts, i resinstalled ff16 reno addon, reinstalled reshade, cleared cache, forgot to rename dll, but it worked with dxgi. only thing i forgot, i didn't had hdr enable on windows.....

[solar mountain]

@topaz belfry OK, it is related to samsung game mode. Sorry to bother you, do you know someone that could help me with this? also, when i use samsung game mode, i should have access to hgig and hdr10+ gaming, asuming when game mode off, i don't have hgig. Do you know where i can ask this please? would be nice to have some clarifications. Cause atm its game mode, when swiched off, everything works.

[topaz belfry]

maybe a driver issue?

nvidia forum?

[solar mountain]

ye i will clear drivers, should fix it. would be nice to try another one, but latest drivers are scary 😂

[solar mountain]

Well, that was crazy. cleared everything, now i went to 581.42. it's totally crazy. before the clean, i was stuttering like hell, on top of crashing with the addon. now it's so smooth, i can barely believe it. WTF

[silk schooner]

uh hi... i'm having an issue

[topaz belfry]

what's up?

[rancid pine]

trying to use optiscaler with this (specifically trying to use it to do render res > native, could be a luma feature?), but dlss fails to init and optiscaler defaults to fsr2 instead

[16:26:27.447614] [I] DLSSFeatureDx11::DLSSFeatureDx11 binding complete!
[16:26:27.452335] [I] DLSSFeatureDx11::Init Creating DLSS feature
[16:26:27.452359] [I] DLSSFeature::ProcessInitParams Render Size: 2560x1440, Target Size: 2560x1440, Display Size: 2560x1440
[16:26:27.452374] [E] DLSSFeatureDx11::Init _CreateFeature result: BAD00007
[16:26:27.452381] [E] NVSDK_NGX_D3D11_EvaluateFeature init failed with dlss feature
[16:26:27.464028] [I] NVSDK_NGX_D3D11_EvaluateFeature changing backend to fsr22
[16:26:28.467269] [I] NVSDK_NGX_D3D11_EvaluateFeature creating new native FSR 2.2.1 feature```

[topaz belfry]

What does this feature do?

[rancid pine]

Optiscaler supports a ratio < 1, so it supersamples (e.g. 1800p render res for 1440p monitor), and then downscales it to display res

[marsh quail]

i got Output Scaling working in the Deadline Delivery demo a few weeks back
i used it to do 1440p -> 8k to compare the downscalers/presets lol

[topaz belfry]

not sure why this would break, pressumably they just take the output of dlss and super sample it before downscaling it and sending it back to the game

right?

[rancid pine]

its not even breaking with that enabled, its breaking just using optiscaler at all

[topaz belfry]

I have definitely used opti with luma before so it might be a quirk of the game

what game is it?

[rancid pine]

DQ I & II HD2D

like DQ7R it uses forward shading, so that might be a part of it?

[topaz belfry]

don't see why it would break, I will test later in a bit no promises there

[rancid pine]

also it seems to be doing weird stuff with resolution
DLAA through luma/TAA with upsampling disabled/TAA with upsampling enabled

actually wait its just because I enabled propagate alpha

[rapid saffron]

afia

[solar mountain]

@topaz belfry Thank you for tale of arise. I fixed my whole pc/drivers/EDID. now works like a charm. Does it work TAA+smaa, or better to stick with TAA only? i mean, im on TAA+SMAA seems working but not 100% sure. also, fixed the dxgi with hdr on, was my driver+EDID corruption i guess.

anyway, ty ❤️

[topaz belfry]

I think TAA only probably better

[azure hedge]

Actually playing through Tales of arise as well right now. DLSS and luma HDR are absolutely stunning. Unfortunately regular CTD are also part part of the experience... If anyone know about preemptive measures to avoid that... do not hesitate to share😭

[topaz belfry]

yeah luma HDR still not quite ready sadly and Pumbo has been a little busy.

[azure hedge]

Ho ? Does That mean all hope isn't lost ?

If that's specifically related to luma HDR, maybe I can get around with special k or lilliums ITM until it gets fixed.

Still a shame though. It really looks amazing.

[topaz belfry]

yeah the crashes are due to Luma HDR resource upgrade, yeah you can use something ITM or reno in the meantime

[azure hedge]

Reno works well ? If it's good enough i'll just go with that.

[topaz belfry]

yeah it should work, make sure to disable luma hdr in the settings first

[azure hedge]

Thanks a lot for the infos !

[azure hedge]

Ofc. It's already kind of exploding on its own so I'm not gonna stack them up and see what happens😂 !

Although, for science maybe

...

[solar mountain]

CTD= crash to desktop? wow, i think i never seen this acronim, but i'm not english native, italian, so nice one❤️ , about that, yeah i was having that too, but after last update, i don't think i would crash, since before the update, crash was like after a battle or 2, now seems stable.

is it still a common luma problem overall, or just with tale of arise?

nvm i use luma on ff7 remake, and that works stable

[topaz belfry]

The unreal engine one only, and depends on the game.

[azure hedge]

Exactly. Not native either🇫🇷 . But you pick up things as you go😉.

[rancid pine]

btw, you might want to add something to the wiki about how currentframeweight and filtersize can help improve jitter with minimal impact on aliasing

[solar mountain]

oh, i see. So hdr is still not stable for general unreal engine luma? unless tweaked?

[topaz belfry]

oh, have you tested some decent values?

[topaz belfry]

not stable depending on the game currently.

[rancid pine]

Just setting currentframeweight to 0 has worked when ive tried

[topaz belfry]

huh, weird wonder why that even does anything since TAA shouldn't be running

[azure hedge]

Is that Kevin approved ?

[azure hedge]

I think it's only the "luma hdr" option that is unstable specificaly in unreal engine mod (probably depends on specific game too). DLSS part and Inverse tone mapping option (pumbo auto hdr) work fine otherwise. So if you avoid "luma hdr" tone mapper option or use renodx for the hdr stuff instead, then stability is fine.

Renodx looks very nice in tales of arise by the way. Though blowout restoration and hue shift have to be tweaked. Otherwise fires look grieffed. Especially fire sword. I recommend 25-100 instead of 50-50. That pretty much gets you perfectly matched SDR hues. Especially in highlights.

[rancid pine]

Yeah, that was my thought too. Like I said, it doesnt have the usual impact on aliasing/sharpness that it would when using normal TAA

[solar mountain]

yep, but im running it flawlessly, and looks spectacular with luma hdr. with reno idk. 25-100 instead of 50-50 which one? gimme what to tweak plz, im still not expert, trying to learn ❤️

[azure hedge]

Tales of arise ? Luma hdr looks great but I get crashes. My tweak is for renodx.

Altgough I still run luma mod for DLSS. Original anti aliasing really isn't great in tales of arise

[solar mountain]

yes, gimme the values to change plz for renodx

[azure hedge]

I recommend blowout restoration 25 and hue shift 100.

[solar mountain]

i didnt test thorough on luma hdr, i was crashing as well, but lately luma got a fix i think, and with my new setup, i wasnt crashing, but didnt play much

[solar mountain]

ok, will try it, if i will crash with luma hdr. tho, lately izueh did a fix for tales, so need more testing.

[azure hedge]

No pb

[solar mountain]

no, luma with hdr on. before the fix it was crashhing, after, idk not sure. luma dlss+reno hdr i know it works

will try those value when i have time

[azure hedge]

With luma hdr, I would recommend raising the top value to somewhere between 0.90 and 0.93. The one that starts at 0.667. Don't remember what it's called.

Same pb with fires being red instead of orange

Although that doesn't fix the crashing

[solar mountain]

can i ask something i really don't know perfectly?

on luma, it expose for Arise
[Luma]
DLSSRenderPreset=11
EnableHDR=1
FirstBoot=0
ScenePaperWhite=203
ScenePeakWhite=0
SRUserType=2

for ff7remake
[Luma]
DLSSRenderPreset=11
SRUserType=2

Instead, reno expos more or less on any game
[renodx-preset1]
ColorGradeBlowout=25
ColorGradeColorSpace=0
ColorGradeContrast=50
ColorGradeExposure=1
ColorGradeFlare=0
ColorGradeHighlights=50
ColorGradeHighlightSaturation=50
ColorGradeLUTStrength=100
ColorGradeSaturation=50
ColorGradeShadows=50
FXFilmGrain=50
FxHDRVideos=1
ToneMapGameNits=250
ToneMapHueProcessor=0
ToneMapHueShift=50
ToneMapPeakNits=2000
ToneMapScaling=0
ToneMapType=1
ToneMapUINits=250

ScenePaperWhite and ToneMapGameNits is the same? and, is there a list on values for peak nits to set?

because i think, it should be scaled based on peak nits

[azure hedge]

Got a screen maybe ?

[solar mountain]

screenshot of the reno ui?

i think i was using thi, just with 2k nits instead

[azure hedge]

Wait this is ffvii ? Unfortunately, sdr matching adjustments necessitates eyeballing it. Reno or luma didn't even exist whenever I played it so I'm not gonna be able to help you there. The only I can tell you is that 203 is standard when it comes to game brightness (aka paper white). Going lower is ok if you play in a dark room but avoid going higher except in fairly bright rooms. Messes with intended exposure and perceived saturation.

[solar mountain]

nope, just a screenshot i had, i can get for arise and ff7, this in particular was for clair obscure, just i dont get why some games preset is higher. so it is paper white that value

and paper white shouldn't scale base on your tv/monitor peak nits?

[azure hedge]

Nope. That concept is called hlg, and it isn't a particularly relevant can of worms for gaming. Well for anything really nowadays.

[solar mountain]

so 203 is just best paperwhite?

[azure hedge]

I don't know about "best", but it is "intended" so to speak. You can go lower if you like it, but higher will kill your contrast.

[red heath]

DoF is completely unrealiable in UE depending on the:

• final resolution
• render resolution
• aspect ratio

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[azure hedge]

The screen is gone😅 ...

[solar mountain]

i barely got it lol, what happened XD

oh btw, whats best way to get hdr screenshot, to retain metadata? like if i want to show you how it does look like

[azure hedge]

But from what I saw, did you loose a 1000 nits in second shot ? That's wild.

[azure hedge]

Yes thats hlg

We're not concerned

[void hull]

Is that also why it has been broken in nvidia drivers for such a long time

[solar mountain]

with hlg you mean Hybrid Log Gamma?
Btw that was from an RTX HDR explanation, because the contrast using rtx hdr is wrong, and need to be fixed for the contrast, which is the contrast part. the peak nits/white paper recommendations is per ITU standard. Would be nice to have a bit more insight about this ❤️

[azure hedge]

Well, I guess the simplest way to go about it if you're not sure about my 203 nits claim is to ask ShortFuse. He'll tell you the same though.

[solar mountain]

No no, it wasn't my point, sorry, i believe it.
Just wanted to get some more info about, not on that specific value.

[azure hedge]

OK, bonus points for whoever gets this right :