✅Luma: Unreal Engine

[topaz belfry]

For now it only supports scree percent exactly 100%

I'll fix it for arbitrary render resolutions later

So it's a little bit like the Nunu game. I need to get one of those games to figure out why that happens.

[rancid pine]

funny thing is kof xv is the only game I can think of that supports RT but not TAA

[topaz belfry]

What a weird choice for a fighting game

[viral prism]

algo 1 disables it yes. idk why you'd need it though

[rancid pine]

regarding UE5 support: Fatal Fury City of the Wolves is able to get it "working" when set to TAA instead of TSR, but is super jittery and ghosty

TSR/TAA/DLAA CNN/ DLAA Transformer

[topaz belfry]

good to know

[viral prism]

btw in Nunu i observed that using TSR (r.AntiAliasingMethod 4 ) makes the game much more performance heavy. usually DLSS K and TSR share similar performance +/- 6%, but dlss K had like 30% advantage

[topaz belfry]

Nunu also has TSR? so maybe they changed TAA implementation a bit after adding TSR

[viral prism]

ue5 has support for tsr out of the box i think

but no they dont let you enable it normally. they make you stay with TAA if only using the game's graphics menu

[topaz belfry]

TSR looks like a competent anti aliasing luckily, so these games are not suffering that terrible in terms of quality

[topaz belfry]

lmao why?

[viral prism]

upgraded to ue5 last minute maybe. they dont use lumen or nanite or anything like that.

[topaz belfry]

I guess that would make sense

I gotta check UE5 taa source in github

[polar grove]

Works in Guilty Gear Strive and Ace Combat 7 with engine.ini tweaks. AC7 was already on the wiki but doesn't need as many engine.ini lines as the issue post had

[heavy terrace]

First time writing here, but long time lurker, so first things first... you guys are doing an amazing job RenoDX and Luma are genuine gamechangers, so thanks for the effort. 😄

[SystemSettings]
r.DefaultFeature.AntiAliasing=2
r.PostProcessAAQuality=6

one of my beloved games worked right out of the box: DRAGON QUEST XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age (not the S version, the original)

[turbid plank]

UE's license tho

[modest crag]

dx12 support at some point? 👉 👈

[marsh quail]

^

[topaz belfry]

Just edit ac7 with the required ones only please

[topaz belfry]

I just need to know if they changed the implementation

[magic cosmos]

hey guys, would there be an unreal x32 version of luma? I found an unreal 4 dx11 game, but it is x32.

[red heath]

there's no x32 DLSS

[red heath]

what game?

[magic cosmos]

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latest version of luma is giving this error in all games when I close it

[quartz shell]

Does DLAA work in batman Arkham knight?

[topaz belfry]

UE3

[quartz shell]

Does the mod only work on 4?

[topaz belfry]

yeah 4.9+

[quartz shell]

Ok, thanks.

[quartz shell]

Will there be no UE 3+ support?

[topaz belfry]

not as part of the generic addon, to my knowledge there was no generic engine TAA implementation in UE3.

so it would have to be a per-game project

[quartz shell]

It's a pity, the game is very beautiful, but it lacks good anti-aliasing.

[topaz belfry]

it's on the list of planned games, but no ETA on that.

[quartz shell]

Or maybe in the future, you can make a mod that can add DLAA in any game where there is TAA?

[small hemlock]

wouldn't be possible to make it generic

[topaz belfry]

yeah would be impossible, too many engine specific details

every engine encodes motion vectors differently, some have inverted depth, some don't even jitter the image when doing TAA

too many variables.

[quartz shell]

Good luck, and thanks a lot for the mod.

[magic cosmos]

remnant from the ashes, th awesome adventures of captain spirit and destroy all humans! carnage clone working
note: destroy all humans! clone carnage doesn't seem to work ingame, at least not in local split screen, where I tested, presumably base games 1 and 2 should work fine.

If anyone can confirm if it works online that would be great.

[red heath]

year split screen support is not in yet, might never come as it';s just a couple games.

[magic cosmos]

This error happens with the latest version of Luma, but the game doesn't crash

[magic cosmos]

leave him off the wiki then?

[topaz belfry]

Do you have the test build?

[magic cosmos]

yes

[topaz belfry]

Ah it's not an issue. I will probably remove this assertion next release.

[red heath]

u can add it specifying split screen doesn't work

all UE4 games can be there

[marsh quail]

Oh, is that why It Takes Two didn't work for me?

Figured it was because split screen is uncommon and probably not super supported in UE as a whole

[magic cosmos]

Does anyone have split fiction and can use optscaler to switch to dlss? because it has fsr 3.1, I think that if it works, having a split screen is not the problem for dlss, right?

[marsh quail]

fsr3 > dlss via opti most likely works, but it may have required custom code from Hazelight to make fsr work in the first place

and that's why Luma doesn't work currently in It Takes Two

[magic cosmos]

but split is dx12, right?

[marsh quail]

yup

[magic cosmos]

But that's why luma doesn't work yet, but my question was if dlss works well in split screen, wouldn't it be the problem that other games aren't working

destroy all humans! clone carnage doesn't seem to work ingame, but on the menu and lobby yes

[stiff gorge]

Arkham Knight's AA was a pretty bad implementation of SMAA t1x iirc which means that we'll probably never have DLSS. And that's a shame because the specular aliasing at even 8K is pretty distracting 🙁

[hybrid hazel]

DLAA mod doesnt work in Days Gone 🙁

ity does detect TAA shader though

[red heath]

heavily customized engine

[rancid pine]

(for the record, was not able to get it working in S)

[topaz belfry]

They probably compile the vanilla taa, but they probably draw a custom one instead.

You can try disabling in game taa and try forcing ue taa somehow

[topaz belfry]

Going to install it

[viral prism]

last game technically works but comes with a nasty vram leak https://store.steampowered.com/app/1623940/Bramble_The_Mountain_Kin

[red heath]

FSR 3 incoming too

[viral prism]

that must be the work of Maple 😄

[red heath]

yes Maple did the DX11 version and I use that!

just implemented it

needs a couple lines of code to hook it up to UE

[uneven flare]

this has no capability to do hdr yet, right?

[polar grove]

Forgive Me Father works but also has a similar issue where enabling DLAA causes VRAM (and RAM) to fill up immediately and massively stutter. Disabling DLAA returns performance to normal

[viral prism]

@polar grove can you repro with this build? #1429954416781557872 message

i went back to bramble and it seems fine so far.

[topaz belfry]

so new builds have some memory leak issue?

[polar grove]

seems to be fine with that build, ran around for a bit and didn't have any issues

[hybrid hazel]

Is the TAA to DLSS mod forcing some kind of hdr? because it messes up with the games brightness and i have to max it out from the games settings in order to look correct.

[topaz belfry]

Latest build shouldn't have gamma issues or force any type of hdr

[hybrid hazel]

well it still does it for me

[hybrid hazel]

i downloaded it from here https://github.com/Filoppi/Luma-Framework/wiki/Mods-List#unreal-engine

[marsh quail]

it's not the latest build (the wiki link targets an older version)

https://github.com/Filoppi/Luma-Framework/releases get it from here

[topaz belfry]

Would say maybe stick to version 189 and see if the memory leak issue is not present

[hybrid hazel]

thanks

[magic cosmos]

last build of luma is giving this bug in the vanishing of ethan carter redux, previous builds don't give this bug, still no success in getting it to work dlaa

[red heath]

try next build in 10m when it's ready

[magic cosmos]

Build 196 or a new one?

[red heath]

197

[magic cosmos]

no bug in Build 197

[red heath]

@topaz belfry disabling the FSR define fixed it

it's probably the device upgrade messing up the depth or something

[magic cosmos]

Supreland is a curious case, it has native DLSS, 2. something and with DLSS Swapper you can exchange it for the new versions, but what would be its DLAA is in an internal resolution of 1114x627, but using Luma DLAA works much better

[red heath]

ah yeah the first DLSS games didn't offer DLAA, though u can usually force it with external tools?

it could also be they had messed the DLSS implementation.

[magic cosmos]

I tried overwriting with nvidia app, but it doesn't work on it, which is strange, since the rtx demo that has the same version of dlss works

[topaz belfry]

it's the same in ff7, depth gets removed from SRVs for some reason

I remember when we first added that upgrade feature it broke FF7, think you added it globally initially and then changed it to prey only.

[magic cosmos]

Excuse my ignorance, but I have a question for the devs: will it be possible to use motion blur or DoF for DLSS? Because, for example, PureDark used motion blur in Elden Ring to use DLSS, so games like Unreal Engine 3 would also work, right?

[marsh quail]

Very likely possible, not easily feasible in a generic manner

[magic cosmos]

because for those who found about afmf3 it used motion blur and bof for FG in the driver

[topaz belfry]

yeah motion blur can work, depends on the game tho

[magic cosmos]

Close to the sun, Just die already,Kid a mnesia exhibition, Layers od fear 2, maneater, Mothergunship, Relicta, Ruiner, Shenmue3, Supraland working, ABZU, Aven Colony, Daemon x Machina, The Vanishing Ethan Carter Redux unsuccessful in working.

[topaz belfry]

would be nice to compile the engine version of the games that aren't working

may help narrow down issues to some engine version hopefully

[red heath]

yeah if u can bother, in the wiki u could write down the UE version of games u test

whether they work on not

usually it's in the file properties of the game's exe

right click, properties/info

[red heath]

@topaz belfry submitted a fix, the lod bias wasn't working, so it still wasn't as crisp as it should have been

also, FSR 3 is now working. I tried it in Ashen.

Looks quite better than native TAA.

[red heath]

all games should look better now.

[topaz belfry]

oh I had that fixed in my local but no big deal

[heavy terrace]

In Kingdom hearts 3 i am getting this behaviour:

I used TXAA Ingame

[SystemSettings]
r.DefaultFeature.AntiAliasing=2
r.AntiAliasingMethod=2

i am using build 201

[visual forge]

@topaz belfry disabling sharpening from ini dont effect dlss right ?

[topaz belfry]

It shouldn't

[topaz belfry]

We introduced some issues in the last built try 189

[heavy terrace]

It is black instead of grey now with 189, but I guess kingdom hearts 3 is just a weird game. Thanks for the response though.

[magic cosmos]

Life is Strange 2, Redeemer, Snake Pass and Steel Rats, working

and the ones I found were unreal versions, I already put them on the wiki.

[red heath]

newest version?

[modest crag]

snake pass had cool physics

[magic cosmos]

Any place in Luma that you can see? but I believe it is build 197

[magic cosmos]

@red heath any chance of having a luma for cry engine?, are there any games I want to try or does prey work?

[red heath]

a generic mod?

there's like 5-10 CryEngine games

not worth it

[magic cosmos]

According to the wiki, there are 23 games, but it's a shame then.

[void hull]

I only know about the Crysis games, that one Rome game and the Homefront sequel

Oh wait and Prey ofc

Well Prey 2017 because we also have the original Prey which I've no idea what that is on

[magic cosmos]

and a few others

[visual forge]

Life is Strange: True Colors - dx11 upscaling not working

[viral prism]

? did you install to the correct folder? it shows dlss indicator here the moment on first boot. ill do more extensive testing and check for leaks and whatnot

check if ingame aa is "very high" or "cinematic" btw

[viral prism]

so it works on 189 but not the latest version, and rtss seems to be breaking 189 as well

[visual forge]

not working

[viral prism]

was working with this here
SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Life is Strange True Colors\Siren\Binaries\Win64

[heavy terrace]

I noticed something was off with the textures on camera movement, so I added r.temporalaasamples=2 and now the image is perfect, I also added it on the wiki, perhaps more games would need that treatment

[visual forge]

Not working

[topaz belfry]

When you say not working what do you mean?

[visual forge]

206

189

[topaz belfry]

Missing dlss dll if it's not showing the option there

Can you take a screenshot of the folder?

[visual forge]

Reinstalled, working now😁

[visual forge]

As long as resources are not upgraded, renodx ue is compatible with luma ue

[red heath]

good.

soon we'll have our own HDR anyway

[viral prism]

man of medan is certainly an interesting game

needs pillarbox removal mod, taa upsampling disabled, and it still looks half broken 😄

taa vs dlss

AA medium + https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/2041-supermassive-games-border-remover/

looking good

the lighting doesnt change either when using dlss like before

@topaz belfry ✅ or 🚧 ?

[topaz belfry]

🚧

If they have visual issues and not a direct upgrade to TAA

[viral prism]

the 2nd batch of shots look good

for the first one i used a different pillarbox mod (UUU) which caused the broken visuals

[topaz belfry]

Oh then you can do ✅

[magic cosmos]

If anyone can see the daemon x machina, I put it as no, but when the game opens, the dlss hud flashes a few times

[topaz belfry]

I don't own it sadly

[magic cosmos]

Didn't get it via epic?, I have it there.

[topaz belfry]

I don't have epic. Always forget to claim their games anyways

[polar grove]

i'll check it out when i can

[viral prism]

im messing with it atm, no dice so far

good background soundtrack cant complain

they use 1 sample for TAA so it always looks bad... jap devs lol

[topaz belfry]

well you can set TAASamples with engine variables at least

how did you get it to work?

[viral prism]

except in this game it resets on startup.. some scripted nonsense

might need to make a pak mod that overrides defaultscalability with the custom values

r.DefaultFeature.AntiAliasing=2 r.PostProcessAAQuality=4 r.TemporalAASamples=4
this should be enough

taa samples = 1 (default) was why dlss was never working

set above 1 and it works

[topaz belfry]

ah yes, so they not only break it but prevent you from fixing it. fantastic

[red heath]

r.TemporalAASamples=8 or 16 is better

in general

[visual forge]

What does it do ?

[red heath]

increases the number of jitter phases

the more the better usually

more sub pixel accuracy

[visual forge]

this is my ini setting
[SystemSettings]
r.SceneColorFringeQuality=0
r.MaxAnisotropy=16
r.Tonemapper.Sharpen=0.0
r.TemporalAASamples=16

1st question: so dlss transformer add sharpening or should i add rcas sharpening.
2nd question: does fog affected by transformer model in dlaa also ?

[red heath]

take comparison screenshots 😛

yes transformer + fog -> RIP

[viral prism]

1 2 4 8 16

[red heath]

you zoomed in on a transparent element 😄

these are literally the only things that don't get properly reconstructed

[topaz belfry]

shouldn't need to use sharpening at native res. maybe a little rcas

yeah a fence or some thin non transparent object is probably better

[stiff gorge]

With the rare exception, Preset K volumetrics look so bad in UE games, that Preset J, with its worse looking foliage, is the better trade-off imo

[red heath]

They both look bad

[stiff gorge]

Indeed. NVIDIA still has a lot of work to do training the transformer model with more reference volumetrics.

[magic cosmos]

in Sherwood Extreme I found the same thing that happens in daemon x machina, it shows dlss active when launching the game, but then it is no longer there, neither in the menu nor ingame,

[topaz belfry]

Gets disabled in the menu too?

[magic cosmos]

yes

[topaz belfry]

Now I'm curious. Very weird.

[magic cosmos]

Something curious I saw, if I add the line r.MaxAnisotropy=16 it changes the trees in the background when I leave SR at none and TN.

and latest build of luma with graphical bug in ethen

[topaz belfry]

Probably due to fsr3, we should disable it until we get it fixed properly

[magic cosmos]

It must be a lot for you, but it wouldn't be possible to use a flag for games with bugs?, so you wouldn't need to disable it globally.

the gunk for example is working very well with fsr 3

[red heath]

MaxAnisotropy should be 16

[red heath]

want me to do that?

[red heath]

i can actually merge the ReShade fix I made locally in our reshade, that fixed all problems no?

[red heath]

we fixed the bug, it's in reshade.

not merged yet.

[red heath]

does it have ghosting in motion?

and how do particles look?

[topaz belfry]

The ones I could test. So maybe we should do the reshade fix first and if more stuff is broken then disable it

[red heath]

submitted the fix. it should be auto built in about 20m

@magic cosmos @viral prism would you be able to capture a 1080p screenshot of a game running with the original TAA and the Luma DLAA, where it shows a big difference?
I'd like to use it to upload an announcement on Reddit.
Thx

[magic cosmos]

good?

[red heath]

not bad

but this scene is a bit too dark, lacks in interesting objects and is just boring to look at 😄

i need a glorious couple announcment pics

like this one is pretty good

[magic cosmos]

ok, I see a better one here

[magic cosmos]

better?

[red heath]

pretty good yeah 🙂

how about showing the village on the other side?

[red heath]

damn the difference it makes at 1080p is insane.

[magic cosmos]

I think discord reduces the quality a little

[red heath]

do you have:

• The Ascent
• Rime
• Stray
• Scorn
• System Shock (2023)
• Kingdom Hearts III
• Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice (remastered)
• Observer: System Redux
• Biomutant
• Blair Witch
• Darksiders 3
• Layers of Fear 2
• Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time
• Life is Strange 2
• Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden
• Vampyr

i think these would be some great games to show comparisons

in particular the ones in bold

if u could bother snapshitting a few 🙏

[magic cosmos]

Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice (remastered),Darksiders 3,Layers of Fear 2,Life is Strange 2,Blair Witch,Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden,Vampyr,Rime, I have this, but I would have to download them

[marsh quail]

Hellblade 1 has DLSS though
can probably force dlaa with nvapp/profile inspector

[viral prism]

mutant is crazy

screenshots are lame so i did a quick recording

[red heath]

we'd need quality PNGs for Reddit 🙂

[viral prism]

reddit compresses shots anyway

especially the first one in an album

[red heath]

u can download the original i think

[viral prism]

doesnt it allow video uploads?

[red heath]

doubt that 😄

[red heath]

yeah but i can't bother editing a video, just wanted to upload 4-5 games before and after, side by side

users can scroll the images at their own pace and zoom in etc

[viral prism]

stills paint the wrong picture imo

[magic cosmos]

here are some images, rime, it doesn't work, hellblade and the ascent have dlss, it's version 2, I couldn't get it over with nvidia app, but it was possible to force it with dlss tweaks the dlaa, but dx11 works the luma too

[magic cosmos]

the ascent is another curious case, with luma, some things change in the scene, upon a certain brightness they come into existence with dlaa, however hud is not shown, but it is working, with the taa lines in engine.ini, the hud appears.

[topaz belfry]

Black magic

Nobody can understand what some people do with UE

[viral prism]

does this look normal? [taken in motion]

im also not really seeing improvement from dlss in general in this game

[red heath]

teag rime is old as fuck

[red heath]

looks normal to me.

[red heath]

could be. it's customized UE.

[red heath]

owever hud is not shown, but it is working
i'd assume if the hud is not shown, DLSS isn't being applied, or if it is, it's getting overwritten anyway

[viral prism]

tried to match the angle as best as i could. one's with luma completely disabled, and the other is with luma enabled and dlss k

[viral prism]

weird that its upscaling or messing with the motion blur

basically requires playing with it disabled

[topaz belfry]

That is weird, shouldn't affect motion blur at all

[magic cosmos]

was applied, it has the same problems as when it is active with hud, the brightness on the streetlight and the shadow appear more.

[red heath]

will need izu to look into that

[magic cosmos]

This glow only appears when it is active.

[topaz belfry]

Probably auto exposure issues

If you have debug dll you can try turning it off

[magic cosmos]

where can i get her

[viral prism]

#1429954416781557872 message

[magic cosmos]

thanks

[magic cosmos]

stays the same.

[toxic harness]

Has anyone checked out Werewolf: The Apocalypse - Earthblood?? Does dlaa work there?

[tepid sierra]

the diff here is quite crazy

[magic cosmos]

yes, it looks very good, the dlaa 310.4 loses a little bit of sharpness compared to the 310.3, but it gains better anti-aliasing, but I took these images with a standard that is in luma.

[magic cosmos]

mordhau

and more that I already posted on the wiki

[surreal nimbus]

So DLSS for Arkham Knight is probably not coming anytime soon? Even DLDSR would not help much if aliasing is bad even in 8K?

[red heath]

As of now, I am busy with other things, but if Musa gets a passion for DLSS it could happen soon.

[toxic harness]

Let's all ask Musa to take up dlss in arkham

[obsidian gale]

Ask him with monies

[plain tulip]

what does arkham knight even use for AA?

[plain tulip]

oh nice

was fully expecting fxaa or something

[red heath]

yeah temporal SMAA is jittered

it's what Prey used too

so it can be replaced with DLSS

[stiff gorge]

Since Arkham Knight only uses SMAA T1x, which includes subpixel jittering but doesn’t use motion vectors, wouldn’t that make it incompatible with DLSS injection? It’s still essentially a single-frame post-process AA, no?

[topaz belfry]

No motion blur in arkham either?

[stiff gorge]

Sure, the UE 3.5 motion blur shader makes use of a velocity buffer calculated from camera and (some) object transforms, but they probably have scaling, bias, and directionality that's not well suited for temporal reconstruction.

[red heath]

we can customize everything

usually motion vectors are calculated raw, and then scaled for motion blur

[stiff gorge]

Fair enough.

[red heath]

i can't remember how it even worked in Prey

it was accumulating over time

but not properly

[stiff gorge]

Prey has T2X too.

[red heath]

but i think it was using motion vectors

[stiff gorge]

The use of motion vectors is the major delineating difference between T1X and T2X.

[red heath]

what i mean is, how can you do temporal

if there's no MVs?

[stiff gorge]

It's not really "Temporal SMAA" as PCGW suggests. In fact, follow the source cited from the PCGW page and it's a fucking Steam community post from some random dude.

[visual forge]

As far as I remember, it's SMAA, which was called inferior compared to reshade smaa

[stiff gorge]

lol, fake news on PCGW. It's literally just FXAA.

[visual forge]

Hmm

[red heath]

What's this

[stiff gorge]

That's the decompiled UnrealScript from Arkham Knight's Engine package. What you're seeing is the different defined symbolics for every anti-aliasing type possible.

tbf, perhaps PostProcessAA_MAX is some awesome temporal SMAA. I dunno.

[red heath]

go on any steam forum, and guess who you find...

seems like there's no TAA yeah

[stiff gorge]

lmfao. Kal has been fighting a war of attrition with the r/FuckTAA neo-luddites for a decade.

[red heath]

but i though he also hated DLSS

[paper wharf]

DLSS yes

DLAA no

[storm forge]

He does kinda hate DLAA as well in some games

Kinda weird he hasn't embraced OptiScaler for its Output Scaling feature, that's something he'd love using with DLAA, everything would be sharper and cleaner

[tepid sierra]

i dont even get the fuck taa people, ah yes lemme have crazy shimmering everywhere instead

i will take a slight blur for a stable image any day of the week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3E85dARSqQ

like in this, anything except TSR and TAA looks absolutely atrocious to me

this is probably a bit of a worse case/hyperbole with UE5 but still, gets the point across as to whats bothering me about the traditional AA methods

[stiff gorge]

A LOT of them are 1080p gamers, still rocking a 1080 Ti or an AMD GPU.

But I hear you. I replayed Arkham Knight and was so distracted by the extreme specular aliasing, even on my 4K TV. I would gladly trade off the "visual clarity" for a blurrier option.

[paper wharf]

You have crazy shimmer because slop devs are using temporal solutions as a band-aid

If the devs were not slopping about

you wouldnt have shimmering

and we would all be using kino MSAA

[tepid sierra]

yeah sure at 1080p TAA is probably not as nice, but even when i was on that res i still preferred it

[stiff gorge]

God, the evangelizing about MSAA is the worst, as if it was some fucking panacea that solved world hunger.

[tepid sierra]

MSAA doesnt fix this

[paper wharf]

It solved world hunger

but then evil bigGPU took it away from us

[paper wharf]

Correct, slop devs abusing shit that causes the shimmer in the first place is the problem

[tepid sierra]

?

[paper wharf]

I am shitposting

but devils adovcate

[stiff gorge]

Sarcasm detected

[tepid sierra]

ah

thought bros serious

[paper wharf]

shitpost aside

The point kinda stands

What causes the shimmering in the first place

Typically an abuse of material authoring

a lot of that you cant solve

or you could but it would be giga expensive

It is just eaiser to use a temporal AA method

[tepid sierra]

i mean.. i wouldnt say that. its just a side effect of how detailed a game is nowadays.. grass for example how tf are you gonna make that not shimmer when you have very fine grass

msaa certainly doesnt fully fix that

only at very high settings that are bonkers intensive

like sure grass looks great at 4k and 4x or 8x msaa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIvlWRMvuCs

for example the rdr2 clips with msaa

i very much prefer taa

even though the taa is dogshit

kek

[paper wharf]

Just pick up a 4K OLED

problem solved

[tepid sierra]

dont you have to mod DOS2 or watch anime instead of shitposting

[paper wharf]

On to complaining about RT/PT caused ghosting

Back in my day

we had baked lighting

perfection

[tepid sierra]

MSAA dont do any good for denoising that shit either

[tepid sierra]

works for a game that isnt dynamic yeah, looks great in that case

[paper wharf]

(Just dont move anything in a scene)

[tepid sierra]

yeah xd

[paper wharf]

kek

[paper wharf]

Theyre all non dynamic /s

[tepid sierra]

[paper wharf]

NOOO you dont understand we need RTGI for this linear horrorslop walking sim

[tepid sierra]

xd

[turbid plank]

Not sure if that's still relevant for you but wanted to chime in. Dlss doesn't support dynamic output resolution, and this game changed output res a lot during transitions. This makes Opti have to reinit dlss/xess/fsr2 every frame during transitions which is super slow and effectively unplayable.

There would be ways to workaround it but it's a lot of work and messy code for just a single game. Tho I did try an easier solution and the novideo driver was not happy

[quaint python]

I remember the rumors of the Switch 2's dlss supporting dynamic output resolutions lol

[magic cosmos]

my question itself was whether dlss would work in "split screen", why would Destroy All Humans! – Clone Carnage only works in the lobby, but not ingame.

[turbid plank]

All major upscalers support dynamic res input, aka the image the game sends. The issue is the image that the upscaler produces

[turbid plank]

Hmm, split fiction specifically runs two upscalers at the same time and adjusts the ratios of output res between them on the fly. Haven't seen any other game do that. There was one split screen game that merges the images before passing them into the upscaler, therefore running a single upscaler instance, solving the issue

[magic cosmos]

by PCGW it only has fsr 3.1, this must be a mess like other games tested like deamon x machina.

[turbid plank]

FSR 3.1 does support dynamic output res so that's probably why they only have fsr in split fiction.

[magic cosmos]

reading a little about it and apparently frs does support drs, several games work, but it depends on the devs to implement this correctly.

[storm forge]

Fake ain't talking about DRS though, but DOS if you were to use an acronym

[turbid plank]

The usual dynamic res scaling refers to input buffers, aka what an upscaler gets from the game.
Split fiction changes output buffers, most upscalers need a full reinit to change those

[magic cosmos]

ok, you may be right, but the point was just to know if because it is split screen the reason why luma is not working in destroy all humans.

[turbid ingot]

Dragon Quest I and II HD-2D Remake
create shortcut - properties - add -dx11

engine.ini:
[SystemSettings]
r.DefaultFeature.AntiAliasing=2
r.PostProcessAAQuality=6
r.TemporalAASamples=2

an error will popup after you open it even with -dx11 in shortcut.exe but it will work, just leave it and don't click OK, wait for the game to actually open and play.

[topaz belfry]

Oh wow this game has taa? Does it look good with DLAA?

[marsh quail]

only FXAA in the options according to pcgw

[topaz belfry]

I'm finally back home, can start working on this again.

[turbid ingot]

at first no, need to edit engine.ini for it to work.
Yes, it eliminates shimmering on 3D models and makes it look much better too.

[turbid ingot]

Crisis Core Final Fantasy VII Reunion
Settings: All High

[untold crow]

does anyone have github link or instructions faq of this? nothing is pinned 🙁 ok got it on dev feed 😄

[red heath]

@topaz belfry maybe we should make a wiki page to describe what this mod does

[untold crow]

Wartorn seems to work? although some thing in game doesnt work coz i get more fps when i force dx11. anti aliasing cinematic

[red heath]

this game looks broken 😄

[untold crow]

ye it just looks bad the grass man, they even have some "painterly effect" this is how it looks with it

[topaz belfry]

Oh wait that's actually how the game is supposed to look? I thought Luma was breaking it.

💀

[untold crow]

not the same settings but its without modding painterly off on. ye it looks bad ue game exe is 5.6.1 so i guess thats ue version

[topaz belfry]

Why does it look so... Blue?

[untold crow]

ask devs 😄 could be coz i had this units choosen but if i hadnt on previous screens it looked simillar

[topaz belfry]

New version fixes

- FSR3 image quality improvements due to missing/incorrect motion vectors
- Added toggle for Auto-Exposure setting (may be better off in some games with excessive flicker)

[toxic harness]

Is it possible to add DLSS in the future?

[topaz belfry]

possible yeah, not sure how probable tho. It would be of not very high quality if it is.

[toxic harness]

I think it would be worth a try, thanks a lot.

[turbid ingot]

any roadmap for this project?

[untold crow]

@topaz belfry fsr3 should work before this update? When i was testing Wartorn when i changed to fsr3 it was crashing the game. No point trying to fix it coz game looks like shit anyways.

[topaz belfry]

Would work now, with the reshade fixes

[topaz belfry]

There is a wishlist of things. It's all done on our free time, so no real road map.

[topaz belfry]

HDR implementation. Dx12 support are probably highest priorities

[plain tulip]

will dx12 be just for the ue addon or luma in general?

[topaz belfry]

both

dx12 sm5 games probably not too terrible, sm6 will be a challenge for sure.

[balmy bobcat]

will be a very good day when we have DLSS + HDR at same time

@topaz belfry how come your ff7 remake mod works with HDR but not the unreal engine mod

also im happy to report that w/e you did in the 2.0 build fixed the smearing i had

though ive got a weird issue, when i use clouds attack (left mouse click, the game severely stutters)

only happens with DLSS transformer

[topaz belfry]

I did manual fixes for FF7

[topaz belfry]

Anywhere or somewhere specific? Weird stuff

[balmy bobcat]

happens in combat too, im just playing early in 1st chapter

[topaz belfry]

I'll try it out see if I can replicate

[balmy bobcat]

happens with CNN too actually

idk if its cuz im combining so many things, ive got your mod, then renodx, and lyalls

[topaz belfry]

Are you using the ff7 mod with reno or the UE mod with reno?

[balmy bobcat]

ff7 mod

whatever you published today on nexus

[topaz belfry]

If it's the ff7 one the issue is probably that both Luma and Reno modify the swap chain. Bound to have conflicts.

[balmy bobcat]

lemme try without reno real quick

good and bad news is that it still happens

bad news it also happens without lyalls

[topaz belfry]

🤔Let me figure it out. Must be a new issue then, right?

[topaz belfry]

Which means its probably fsr3

[topaz belfry]

what do you use to capture performance?

[balmy bobcat]

Rtss

[topaz belfry]

going to take me a bit to figure this one out, doesn't happen in debug mode 😭

[topaz belfry]

if you don't mind can you try with the test build from git?

[lethal trench]

Hmmm
This could be useful for kingdom hearts...

(kingdom hearts 1 to dream drop distance)

[topaz belfry]

Are those custom engines?

[marsh quail]

only kh3 is unreal

[balmy bobcat]

Gonna have to wait till after I get back from work today, like 13 hours from now probably

[topaz belfry]

let me know when you have time, I need to sanity check with someone else. Seems to happen only with the github ci build

[balmy bobcat]

tbh theres an even bigger problem that happened (also happens on unreal test build)

lighting and shaders or something area all screwed up

and dlss wont come on either

happens with unreal test build and the ff7 nexus download

[topaz belfry]

never seen this issue, this happens like sometimes or all the time?

are you using SK by any chance?

[balmy bobcat]

all the time now since it happened, and not using sk

if i take everything out but luma, it looks liek this

and super stutters in game though dlss works now

turning of dlss fixes the super stutter

[topaz belfry]

try deleting the luma folder and repasting it, aslo delete the reshade.ini

[balmy bobcat]

didnt fix

[topaz belfry]

oh this is the UE4 generic not the FF7 addon, the issue is just that the swapchain is not upgraded and there is a mismatch. You need renodx to fix that with the generic addon.

[balmy bobcat]

now the swords entirely missing

and super weird shit is happening

[topaz belfry]

guess it is just not compatible huh, did you try the ff7 addon test build?

if not I will send you a locally compiled build to try

[balmy bobcat]

i havent seen a ff7 remake test build only ff7 rebrith

i wonder if its because i have ultrawide

im using lyalls fix, but the luma addons still broken when i dont use lyalls fix

[topaz belfry]

https://github.com/Filoppi/Luma-Framework/releases/download/latest-213/Luma-Final_Fantasy_VII_Remake-Test.zip

this one

[balmy bobcat]

@topaz belfry it works without stutters

i still need to test with renodx forcing hdr

got this error on boot

hitting okay the game still loaded

no stutter!

so wtf is the difference between the one on nexus and the test

[topaz belfry]

No idea why only the publish release build stutters. I'll keep looking into it.

[topaz belfry]

Technically there should be no difference. Gotta track some memory leak perhaps

[topaz belfry]

It's an assertion you, was probably there already but they don't show in non test builds.

[balmy bobcat]

is it safe to disable generic depth and effect runtime sync

i always run those off but now i reset my ini

its working perfect now as far as i can tell, i even have the display commander working with it too now

so im using Luma + Renodx + DC + Lyalls

did a combat without a hitch

[topaz belfry]

Nice

[lethal trench]

Kingdom hearts 1.5, chain of memories, 2.5, BBS & DDD all use a custom engine, but on PC the engine runs in DX12

0.2 and 3 are on unreal

[blazing trout]

Hello everyone 👋 I'm wondering if this could potentially work on heavily modified UE3 engine in the distant future.
I'm talking about MK11 (2019). That game has DX11 and DX12 exes.

It already has HDR, but what would do wonders for image quality would be DLSS injection to replace native TAA.

As that game's TAA archives stable image but at the cost of some slight TAA blur.

I've tried to test it with the generic UE version of Luma mod but it doesn't work - the game boots up but Luma options are not changing anything.

[topaz belfry]

Yeah if it's not the default UE4/5 TAA this will never work. A separate mod will have to be built for a game like that.

[faint canopy]

Doesn't seem to work for sonic racing crossworlds.

[topaz belfry]

Did you try forcing taa through engine variables?

[toxic harness]

And when will there be support for dx12?

[plain tulip]

^

[toxic harness]

OK, thanks

[topaz belfry]

has anyone tried granblue fantasy relink by any chance?

[viral prism]

yeah why? not ue btw

[topaz belfry]

oh it isn't, thought it was. has that ue look

[viral prism]

no it doesnt

[topaz belfry]

I am sorry

[surreal mulch]

Might I ask what’s the difference between Luma and regular RenoDX?

Luma adds HDR and Reno improves it in games that already have it?

[topaz belfry]

Luma adds DLSS, the Renodx unreal engine plugin adds HDR

[surreal mulch]

OH ok lol, I got confused cause it said the Adding HDR feature was WIP

[topaz belfry]

We will be adding HDR for Luma as well.

And other features like upgrading ambient occlusion to GTAO

[surreal mulch]

Cool!

[turbid ingot]

will this be free and open source too? if it is that would be great.

[topaz belfry]

yeah the entire project is open source

[stiff gorge]

\

[stiff gorge]

courtesy of my dog in the middle of the night

[storm forge]

Finally got to try Luma in Redout2 but it's a super weird one :

• As screenshots show, DLAA loses SSR and some other stuff when native TAA(U) has it all (same with FSR3 btw)
• if I delete my [SystemSettings] tweaks in engine.ini (attached), then only native TAA will work (either DLAA or FSR3 will have a frozen/bugged image when getting to start actual gameplay (but HUD is still working)

(Sorry for the washed out shots, NVapp didn't produce JXRs for whatever reason)

[topaz belfry]

How many games have taau and not dlss? Might be interesting to do a version that works of off TAAU

[storm forge]

@viral prism , please enlighten Izueh, I don't know UE stuff enough to give a real constructive answer

[magic cosmos]

with the prints from windows itself saved in JXRs.

[storm forge]

But I assume no UE4 games have TAAU vanilla without forcing it via that algo1 cvar

[storm forge]

Well I use NVapp, usually it works as expected but this time it didn't 😅

[magic cosmos]

oh yes, I've never seen it save in this format

[storm forge]

Ironically, Luma here works with TAAU (algo 1) but not with vanilla TAA

[topaz belfry]

Ah I understood the opposite. So the SSR bug happens when you turn on taau?

[storm forge]

With the [System.Settings] cvars, it works but loses SSR & stuff

[magic cosmos]

about Redout2, I tested it on the wiki, and I didn't notice if it lost SSR, but some games do have this type of problem, the ascent, for example, has a different brightness in the materials and shadows when you activate dlaa

[storm forge]

Without those cvars, it doesn't work (frozen/broken)

[storm forge]

Oh, never tried DLAA in the Ascent, too heavy on my rig with RT

But vanilla DLSS is fine enough thankfully

[storm forge]

Only the HUD less image is frozen/broken, the game actually runs, sounds play and all but I have to get back to None SR in Luma to get it playable again

Weird devs having only implemented TAA & XeSS... Like why

[magic cosmos]

you can try optscaler to use dlss instead of xess

[storm forge]

Nope

No depth inputs

=> Black screen

They did their UE XeSS plugin weird

[magic cosmos]

It may be specific to the game, this problem, smooth motion gets a black screen in edf 4.1, it works in others

[storm forge]

No it's the unreal engine XeSS plugin

It's common to all UE games XeSS

Only FSR4 can cope with XeSS inputs in those games

But I'm on Ampere so no FSR4, tried the int8 DLL as well to no avail unfortunately

[magic cosmos]

Which game has this problem?

[storm forge]

All UE games

[magic cosmos]

according to the optscaler wiki you have to add these tweaks Enable OutputScaling and XeFG
Edit Engine.ini and add

[SystemSettings]
r.NGX.DLSS.DilateMotionVectors=0
r.Streamline.DilateMotionVectors=0

[storm forge]

Unrelated

That's for XeFG

We're talking upscaling

[magic cosmos]

yes, it says there for Enable OutputScaling and XeFG

[storm forge]

XeSS to FSR<4 or DLSS in UE games can't be done because of how the XeSS plugin is done for UE : now depth data, which both DLSS and FSR need to be able work

[magic cosmos]

painkiller 2025 only has xess and it works in frs 4.

[storm forge]

Again, FSR4 is the only one able to cope with it

DLSS or pre 4 FSR can't

[topaz belfry]

also does anyone know some other UE game that has SSAO?

[storm forge]

@viral prism likely knows a bunch of them (where are you, man ?)

[topaz belfry]

using jedi survivor and ff7 for now

trying to port the gtao implementation from ff7 to the generic mod

this might not be a good sample, seems like Jedi Survivor uses HBAO or GTAO already and not the default SSAO

[deft sun]

Pretty sure most UE4 games use SSAO
They gotta have those contact shadows somehow without real time GI

[topaz belfry]

yeah I found them shader in darksiders 3 now

darksiders 3 also uses the newer better AO from UE4, need older games. Happy we had @viral prism put engine version on the wiki

[viral prism]

i didnt put anything 😄

well at least for the games i tested i think

[topaz belfry]

oh well thanks to whomever did it

[viral prism]

the makeover with the new tab with all engine versions was done by someone else

[topaz belfry]

vampyr seems like a good candidate by engine version

[viral prism]

all games from 4.24 and onwards will have toggle between ssao/gtao

all older have ssao

r.DefaultFeature.AmbientOcclusion 0/1

[topaz belfry]

maybe I got unlucky and the ones I tested did custom, seems like they had HBAO or something similar. Star Wars Jedi and Darksiders 3 didn't have the same SSAO that ff7 had

[topaz belfry]

ok so maybe the info in the wiki is wrong, says jedi is 4.21.2.0, so it shouldn't have gtao toggle.

[viral prism]

nah thats correct, but jedi is ssao only - just showing comparison for reference

[viral prism]

https://store.steampowered.com/curator/41480488 - all Dark Pictures games, probably same behavior in all of them where higher AA setting forces TAAU.
also [Redacted] which doesnt work with luma https://store.steampowered.com/app/2229940/REDACTED/. it has XeSS but no DLSS

[topaz belfry]

why is game border remover required for this game?

[viral prism]

<#1429954416781557872 message>

breaks graphics otherwise

[topaz belfry]

I see

[magic cosmos]

the ones I found, I added, only the daylight one that I didn't find which version it is.

[deft sun]

Pretty sure FF7 is custom

They reworked the engine a lot

[worldly hearth]

Yes same goes for Rebirth

It’s a custom version of UE4

[jaunty belfry]

Hello, is this normal https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778887485400154132/1446434047801688095/2025-12-05_05-30-55.mp4

I get tons of jittering on the world models with the upscaling mods

[jaunty belfry]

CNN Model with preset F seems to work fine

really wanted to use K but I'll take this

cool stuff

[magic cosmos]

the dlss 3.10.4 version has a little more ant-alising than 3.10.3, try it

[topaz belfry]

Weird that has more issues with K. This game had a weird custom TAA so chances are they mess up some things even if you force vanilla TAA.

[magic cosmos]

Sorry, not everyone is a native English speaker.

[topaz belfry]

It was a funny typo, how is it that pumbo had an image ready for it?

[magic cosmos]

well, he had 26 minutes to look lol

[plain tulip]

-# isn't pumbo's first language italian? lol

[magic cosmos]

I don't know, I don't know him.

[unborn hare]

Not sure if it’s just my case but for future documentation:
Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot (HD) works with DLAA in the title screen and when going in game, however when a scene change happens such as going into a cutscene, it reverts back to TAA from there. This is with DBZK_Fix which seems to be the only way for DLAA to activate in-game to begin with

[topaz belfry]

might be one of those games that resets engine variables

[turbid ingot]

has anyone tried Bravely Default II?

[topaz belfry]

Is a square hd2d game probably works just like the dragon quest games

[turbid ingot]

I've tried and it doesnt work
tried forcing taa and it detects taa but dlss debug don't show up

[topaz belfry]

r.DefaultFeature.AntiAliasing=2
r.PostProcessAAQuality=6
r.TemporalAASamples=16

did you set these?

also make sure to set the engine.ini to read only after as well

[topaz belfry]

even with the shorcut trick you used for dq 1 and 2?

[turbid ingot]

yes, tried that but setting engine.ini to read only is what haven't done yet

[turbid ingot]

yes even with this it don't work

[topaz belfry]

I have the game so I will check tomorrow

[turbid ingot]

oh really, that would be great then thank you.

[topaz belfry]

btw do you know if the shorcut trick is required or if it works at all for steam deck/linux?

[turbid ingot]

i think no need, bravely default II uses dx11 by default

[turbid ingot]

it works now, for some reason it doesn't work when graphics quality is on High

[obsidian gale]

Ama guess high forces a different aa method

[turbid ingot]

when switching back from medium to high it produces this

[topaz belfry]

try setting hidpi setting to application override in the exe properties.

[turbid ingot]

still the same

[topaz belfry]

try this build, also set the cvars with the lyall fix. working on my end

[turbid ingot]

thanks @topaz belfry i'll try it now

it works now! with lyall mod and with your build

but it has this weird fps drop when entering shops or inside buildings, it actually froze and restarted my pc because it rans into problems.

had to use my phone to capture it

or maybe its just a vram issue, as you can see at the top it nearly max out my vram when compared with this without dlaa

[topaz belfry]

weird just going into any shop?

[turbid ingot]

it maxes my ram too even without lyall mod

[turbid ingot]

yes

[topaz belfry]

test with fsr3 as well see if it happens

[turbid ingot]

i actually switch back to to medium and same scenario

wait let me restart my pc then

its eating my gpu vram and ram

[topaz belfry]

a memory leak, maybe

[turbid ingot]

i think so too

on fsr it goes on like this medium or high settings

[turbid ingot]

i mean when entering shops

[topaz belfry]

hmmm, can't replicate. any possible external cause?

[turbid ingot]

maybe ue4ss, but is yours working fine? if it does then maybe the problem lies within my device.

[topaz belfry]

Memory stays consistent as well

try deleting reshade.ini just in case

[turbid ingot]

yah, will try later
thank you again

[viral prism]

check lyall ini too

if u dont use 21:9 keep fov, hud, aspect settings disabled

[turbid ingot]

it works now, I deleted engine.ini so it generates a new one.

[hybrid hazel]

whats the difference between luma and luma test files on github

[topaz belfry]

test is for tester

[hybrid hazel]

how to enable dlss for mafia 3?

[viral prism]

https://github.com/Filoppi/Luma-Framework/wiki/Mods-List#mafia-iii

[red heath]

U can't.

[toxic harness]

And how much longer is it to wait?, thank you

[red heath]

https://tenor.com/view/bed-time-gif-21640936

[toxic harness]

How much?

[red heath]

up to u

[toxic harness]

I'm willing to pay $5

[red heath]

nice, 1m of salary 🙂

[toxic harness]

Where should I transfer to ?

[red heath]

#📢dev-feed message

[toxic harness]

Will I be able to get mafia in this case?

[red heath]

that's the roadmap

[topaz belfry]

going to need a list of games with confirmed SSAO, don't have that many UE games and hav eonly found two games with SSAO and engine version < 4.24

[visual forge]

anyone ini expert for adding tsr in unreal engine 5 game

[deft sun]

Is there a UE5 game that doesn't have TSR to begin with? It's the default AA method

You can try this
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Engine:Unreal_Engine_5#Temporal_Super_Resolution

[visual forge]

Lolipop Chainsaw repop

[deft sun]

https://tenor.com/view/wack-hannibal-glasses-gif-14589639

[topaz belfry]

found an interesting bug when combining luma and renodx, renodx upgraded some resources and causes a false positive TAA detection shader that breaks rendering.

Oops meant to post this here and posted it in renodx thread.

[red heath]

addons are run in alphabetical order

or well, in the order they register events

if u call renodx -> a_renodx.addon

it might work?

[topaz belfry]

will try this out later

[cursive reef]

I tried that with earlier builds but that didn't make a difference unfortunately

[topaz belfry]

did you find compatibility issues in some games with reno?

[cursive reef]

Yea, it seems like most games that require reno upgrades break if you combine it and luma

SMT5 was the only one I've tested where bgra8 typeless upgrades from reno worked with luma

[marsh quail]

oh i was planning on starting smtv very very soon (if i don't get what i want on Winter Sale), should load order be Reno first for upgrades then Luma?

[topaz belfry]

I guess I got lucky. I tried it with dq3 and it worked. Will try to look into some way of fixing this.

Guessing this would be an issue if I upgrade resources in Luma itself too

I should try looking for a patter in the false positives to avoid matching them.

[cursive reef]

Oh ty, that'd be really cool :)

Maybe I just got unlucky with the games I tested lol, it definitely broke clash and raincode, and some other game I can't remember

[obsidian gale]

dq3 worked for me

[cursive reef]

But @visual forge also mentioned that games with reno upgrades don't work

[cursive reef]

Which ones did you test that broke with luma + reno?

[cursive reef]

hmm

[cursive reef]

Still maybe worth a shot

[topaz belfry]

yeah I recently tested this one, but the others I tested did break

[obsidian gale]

i admit i didn't go far tho

[visual forge]

i only remember life is strange with true colors

[topaz belfry]

did it always break the same way frozen image?

[topaz belfry]

got a potential fix, anyone mind testing in the games they had issues with?

[cursive reef]

It froze the image iirc but the broken view also had no shadows, a lot of textures were just green too. I'll capture screenshots later today

[cursive reef]

I still have those two games installed, so I could test them

[topaz belfry]

https://github.com/user-attachments/files/24206180/Luma-Unreal.Engine.zip

[cursive reef]

Thx, I'll try that after work

[cursive reef]

@topaz belfry clash is still green, but not frozen

behaves the same if I change the load order

[topaz belfry]

progress

what game is this?

[cursive reef]

Clash: Artifacts of Chaos

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1430680/Clash_Artifacts_of_Chaos/

setting luma back to none makes the game look completely normal again

rain code on the other hand now almost works

[sharp panther]

has anyone tried the mod with Half Sword and worked?

[cursive reef]

but if there are certain UI elements overlaid on top of the game scene, some textures break

like the red carpet here

this doesn't go away if you swap back to none

load order makes no difference here either

oh wait

this is happening with reno only too

[topaz belfry]

yeah some games just break if you upgrade textures

I am testing clash I happen to own it

[cursive reef]

so it seems like your new fix works in rain code, nice

its just reno that now has an issue lol

wasn't there when I added support for it

[cursive reef]

DLSS looks insanely good there, their TAA config was insanely unstable

everything constantly shimmers

[topaz belfry]

it's supper shimmery omg yeah

there is another false positive shader here.

[heavy terrace]

wow, thanks a lot for this build, it fixed kingdom hearts 3, DLAA now works, never did before

[topaz belfry]

Nice

[topaz belfry]

Have added additional checks, to avoid false positives. But gotta need help re-testing some games that already worked to make sure there aren't false negatives now

[red heath]

https://tenor.com/view/self-test-covid19-covid-test-virus-coronavirus-gif-21956252

[topaz belfry]

can only test the games I own sadly

[turbid ingot]

Scarlet Nexus works so much better now, past builds causes black screen on some places.

[topaz belfry]

now need to find UE games with dithering and ssao so I can do the generic patches

[topaz belfry]

Have made some more changes, might have fixed borderlands 3. Will push a release later.

[red heath]

what was the problem? false positives?

[topaz belfry]

For borderlands it was the offsets I showed you

[red heath]

where

[topaz belfry]

Dithering fix coming along, have managed to get it working on Aliens.

[red heath]

Aliens what?

[topaz belfry]

fireteam elite

[marsh quail]

no workey (paired with marat's smtvv reno snapshot)

well nevermind it worked once i get out of the starting classroom? weird

[topaz belfry]

it's a miracle it works sometimes

[obsidian gale]

Did you get reno hdr working ?

On this game

Tried upgades but no dice

Dq3 needed only one

[turbid ingot]

nope, not yet
just this luma mod

[marsh quail]

aight now i know why it didn't work
gen5 taa with lyall's mod shouldn't be enabled

[humble lava]

Hi, I'm playing Jedi Fallen Order using the Luma mod and the new DLSS 4.5 (310.5.0). The Issue: It defaults to Preset K, but I am trying to force Preset M. I have tried NVIDIA App and NVIDIA Profile Inspector (Global setting), both are being ignored by the game/mod. Does anyone know if there is a specific config file I should be editing instead?

[void hull]

Could try setting a forced global override in nvidiaprofile inspector

[humble lava]

Tried it, still stuck at preset K

[rich crescent]

DLSS Swapper is another program you could use

[hard flame]

same here w/ global override and specific profile override and still can't force preset m

[marsh quail]

M with DLAA is extremely heavy so I'm not sure it's gonna be worth it either way

K already looks as good as it gets

[paper wharf]

Except K has doodoo voluemtrics and doesnt have the new linear colour special sauce

WaitTM for CES 2027 for Preset N and O with fixes to both

[surreal mulch]

Whats the color thing?

[plain tulip]

so games should do the vast majority of the rendering in linear space
the new dlss models were trained on linear space instead of log so colors, hightlights, and shadows should look more accurate

[topaz belfry]

I will update the framework, give me some time

[surreal mulch]

Oh damn that’s cool af

[plain tulip]

notice how the colors, highlights and shadows look different between preset M and preset K
I think might be because of the new linear stuff
https://imgsli.com/NDM4ODkw/3/1

[surreal mulch]

Will check when I get home

U think it’s a positive change?

[humble lava]

10% fps drop with preset M?

[plain tulip]

no Idea what the person who took these screenshots is running

[void hull]

Different games have different costs

So that makes it more difficult

[void hull]

From some screenshots I've seen it looks like we're back to CNN in that regard

[topaz belfry]

nvidia losing the recipes?

I am honestly kind of dissapointed at a lot of coverage regarding dlls4 and transformer models. Few bring up the obvious shortcomings.

I found J and K borderline unusable

[void hull]

It is probably people not being sensitive to the same issues

If by chance then those people covering it have are all the same in that regard than people who are sensitive to other things fall outside the boat

[topaz belfry]

I mean yes, but I rarely hear mention of the super blocky volumetric effects.

like DF just said on their 4.5 analysis that model K didn't have any particular jarring weakness

and I'm here like...

also some people seem to not notice ghosting as much, doesn't mean it isn't there and an obvious flaw.

[void hull]

Well it's Oliver

He usually seems fine with console image quality

Which I'm like???

So I don't really take him seriously in that regard

Just like his HDR takes

[turbid ingot]

Bravely Default II
Preset M by using latest DLSS Swapper

[balmy bobcat]

to get M you have to do game profile overrides in nvpi instead of global

[magic cosmos]

I am testing here the dlss 4.5 model M, it is no longer flickering in borderlands 3, but only if you replace it with the nvidia app, with luma even putting 3.10.5 it still flickers

[humble lava]

Dlss Swapper worked, and doing game profile overrides in profile inspector instead of global worked

[topaz belfry]

just pushed the update with dlss 4.5

should be done compiling in a bit

[storm forge]

Apparently global can work if using the driver dll instead of the one that comes with the SDK

Weird ik but it's what one of the DLSS Swapper issues opener on GitHub tells

https://github.com/beeradmoore/dlss-swapper/issues/816

[humble lava]

No unreal engine build?

[topaz belfry]

should be there, no?

huh you are right it's missing

[topaz belfry]

should be up soon

[topaz belfry]

fixed

[lime ridge]

getting a memory leak with the new UE build when I enable dlss, was fine with the previous version

[humble lava]

yep, i was about to say the same

Star wars jedi fallen order

[topaz belfry]

man what is wrong with github builds

I don't know what causes the issues with the git builds and it doesn't happen with every build either

[lime ridge]

this build is still leaking for me too

[topaz belfry]

@humble lava @lime ridge guys available to test a potential fix?

[lime ridge]

sure

[lime ridge]

doesn't leak but there's constant stutter and jittering

[topaz belfry]

with any preset?

try preset F and tell me if it's less noticeable or not there

[lime ridge]

F L M seem fine, J and K have the stuttering

[topaz belfry]

@red heath any ideas?

[lime ridge]

actually nvm L and M are stuttering

[topaz belfry]

figured

[humble lava]

this fixed the memory leak for me in star wars

[topaz belfry]

do you also have stutter issues?

[humble lava]

no stutters

[topaz belfry]

may be game related somehow, I see the stutters in DQ3

[red heath]

no

[topaz belfry]

ok I think the issue is actually the struct compare in update setting, I think floating point inaccuracies may cause dlss to reset when it's not supposed to

[topaz belfry]

try if you can

[lime ridge]

nice all presets working now

dang the frame time cost of the new presets is much too significant for dlaa, 240 fps with K -> 140 with L, and 170 with M

thanks for the fix, checked a few more areas and no issues

[jovial tartan]

So because on the website it says frame generation glitches may occur, use older version.....does that mean frame generation can be injected to most of those games?

[red heath]

inaccuracy from what

[topaz belfry]

actually I am not totally sure, resolutions are in integer actually. but I was logging the struct everytime it changed and it was the same values but the memcmp failed.

I guess mv_scale? is the only float value

[red heath]

But why does it change

[topaz belfry]

to my knowledge it doesn't I am doing a comparison without memcmp and it works fine now

[red heath]

Just put a breakpoint after the successful comparison and see what values are different I guess

[topaz belfry]

doesn't happen in development mode actually, which is why I was logging instead. Now that I think about it, maybe some padding in the struct that doesn't get zeroed in release mode.

[red heath]

mmm

should be zeroed on allocation

[topaz belfry]

no I don't think that is true unless you run on debug mode. need to zero out with memset or = {}

let me test

nope memcmp still fails

20:04:50:092 [26604] | INFO  | [Luma] DLSS: Reinitialization #17 triggered. Settings:
  Output: 3840x2160
  Render: 3840x2160
  Dynamic Resolution: Yes
  HDR: Yes
  Inverted Depth: Yes
  MVs Jittered: No
  Auto Exposure: Yes
  MVs Scale: 1.000x, 1.000y
  Render Preset: 13
  Quality Mode: 5
20:04:50:146 [26604] | INFO  | [Luma] DLSS: Reinitialization #18 triggered. Settings:
  Output: 3840x2160
  Render: 3840x2160
  Dynamic Resolution: Yes
  HDR: Yes
  Inverted Depth: Yes
  MVs Jittered: No
  Auto Exposure: Yes
  MVs Scale: 1.000x, 1.000y
  Render Preset: 13
  Quality Mode: 5
20:05:08:836 [26604] | INFO  | [Luma] DLSS: Reinitialization #19 triggered. Settings:
  Output: 3840x2160
  Render: 3840x2160
  Dynamic Resolution: Yes
  HDR: Yes
  Inverted Depth: Yes
  MVs Jittered: No
  Auto Exposure: Yes
  MVs Scale: 1.000x, 1.000y
  Render Preset: 13
  Quality Mode: 5
20:05:08:892 [26604] | INFO  | [Luma] DLSS: Reinitialization #20 triggered. Settings:
  Output: 3840x2160
  Render: 3840x2160
  Dynamic Resolution: Yes
  HDR: Yes
  Inverted Depth: Yes
  MVs Jittered: No
  Auto Exposure: Yes
  MVs Scale: 1.000x, 1.000y
  Render Preset: 13
  Quality Mode: 5
20:05:21:837 [26604] | INFO  | [Luma] DLSS: Reinitialization #21 triggered. Settings:
  Output: 3840x2160
  Render: 3840x2160
  Dynamic Resolution: Yes
  HDR: Yes
  Inverted Depth: Yes
  MVs Jittered: No
  Auto Exposure: Yes
  MVs Scale: 1.000x, 1.000y
  Render Preset: 13
  Quality Mode: 5
20:05:21:897 [26604] | INFO  | [Luma] DLSS: Reinitialization #22 triggered. Settings:
  Output: 3840x2160
  Render: 3840x2160
  Dynamic Resolution: Yes
  HDR: Yes
  Inverted Depth: Yes
  MVs Jittered: No
  Auto Exposure: Yes
  MVs Scale: 1.000x, 1.000y
  Render Preset: 13
  Quality Mode: 5

mind if I just keep the overloaded equality operator I did?

guess I could also dump the memory and compare

[marble canopy]

Does this work in Borderlands 3? Tried it last night and it didn't seem like there was any visual difference between DLSS and FSR.

[red heath]

not really, but i'd also like to understand why memcpy would fail

[topaz belfry]

Should, someone tested it above.

[topaz belfry]

let me do a memory dump when comparsion and memcmp don't give the same result. will let you know.,

[red heath]

i think u can check with VS too?

memory debug

[topaz belfry]

in debug mode the issue doesn't happen at all, so would be harder to identify.

[red heath]

u don't need debug mode to scan memory

[topaz belfry]

New: 000f000070080000000f000070080000010101000000803f0000803f010100000d000000
Old: 000f000070080000000f000070080000010101000000803f0000803f010000000d000000

[topaz belfry]

no idea how to use that, let me read about it

it was uninitialized padding on the boolean type it seems. actually doing memset(0) works even if you initialize to the struct with = {} or {0} it doesn't seem to set padding to 0.

[red heath]

good to know

thx

wonder if that's what messed up my just cause 3 tests

[red heath]

HDR for all UE4 DX11 games coming soon. I found a way

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-stonk-stonks-meme-stonks-guy-stonks-meme-guy-gif-9875488877428024970

[plain tulip]

bruh

[marsh quail]

another billion to pumbo's kofi

is that gonna work with games that overly rely on sdr quirks though? ie smtvv

(the beam sword is supposed to be white)

[red heath]

gotta buy the S95H on release day innit

https://tenor.com/view/first-world-problem-gif-9909275

[marsh quail]

buy that 10k nits qdled tv

https://us.tcl.com/products/tcl-98-x11

[red heath]

https://tenor.com/view/bed-time-gif-21640936

[deft sun]

Fuck the consumer shit, get the pro mastering monitor like Vincent

1k nits full screen baby

[red heath]

40k?

warhammer priced

[deft sun]

https://tenor.com/view/for-the-emperor-warhammer-emperor-40k-warhammer-40k-space-marine-gif-16743092635714334086

[jovial tartan]

I'm also tempted, namely because it doesn't have a one connect box

[broken shore]

Hey im trying to get lumahdr and DLSS to work in kingdom hearts 3 and im not sure its working correctly any chance somebody can help me real fast ?

i followed this video exactly and im not sure its working.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM5nKk4RQXg

also, i am trying to inject this mods textures using reshade as well not sure if its working either.... https://www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhearts3/mods/2197

[topaz belfry]

what exactly is not working, can you describe the issue

[broken shore]

Well firstly im trying to get Special K and reshade to work at the same time, but i cant, so i tried to bypass using special k and just use reshade, but now i dont know if my 4k mod for kh3's textures are being injected correcly as well as the not knowing if the DLSS mod using lumahdr is working correctly either

[topaz belfry]

if it's using SK texture replacement it won't work without SK

to test if luma is working you can try turning DLSS to none and see if the image changes at all

[broken shore]

Yeah i got that now, But i guess im just trying to get reshade working with special K

[topaz belfry]

do you not notice any difference?

[broken shore]

yeah i did try that and nothing changed

so im assuming it wasnt working.

[topaz belfry]

likely won't work

[broken shore]

hmmm

[topaz belfry]

can you send me your reshade.log file

[broken shore]

Well i guess i can just start trying to get reshade with dlss and lumahdr to work first

might not even need the 4k texture mod

if i can get that to work lol

gettiung an error when i run the game saying application tried to create non direct x11 game only supports direct x 11

pops up twice

then i click continue

[topaz belfry]

does it work after?? those are warnings

[broken shore]

Trying now

just reinstalled everything.

i got that part now

just wish i can figure out how to inject the textures for the 4k mod

to make it look freaking awesoime.

[topaz belfry]

yeah wish reshade addons wouldn't conflcit with SK too

[broken spruce]

Sorry for the dumb questions: this is like the renoDX UE universal addon in the sense that make HDR works for all UE 5(?) games right? Does it support FG better compared to renoDX?

[marsh quail]

currently the addon only does TAA -> DLAA/FSRAA conversion

[broken spruce]

oh nevermind then

thanks

[marsh quail]

but if Luma also upgrades the sdr path in the future, it's gonna have the same limitations as reno

[broken spruce]

reno got kinda fixed by creating another addon but that addon at times makes the game crash or not launch at all so I was hoping for a different solution

[topaz belfry]

It's the issue resource upgrade?

[storm forge]

I can't make AutoExposure be off and survive restarts in Redout2, what would be the flag to manually save in the ini ?

Also, since using DLSS preset = 5 to use E works (I've swapped the DLSS dll to the driver one with all presets in it), would you consider offering an extended preset selection menu one could enable through the Advanced Settings tab ?

[topaz belfry]

yeah I thinking about it, probably will just add preset E. all the other ones are not worth it.

[topaz belfry]

in that game only or is this in general?

[storm forge]

I mean if E is offered and works, it would mean a dll having them all is used so why not all of them for science ? Somewhat agreed tho, E & F are the only ones I'd realistically be using for cnn

[storm forge]

Hmm admittedly haven't tried in other games, Redout2 is the only one in which disabling it makes highlights brighter (ironically enough ik)

Only slightly brighter though, it's nothing like presets L & M behave at all

Btw, FSR3 is surprisingly close to L & M for highlights brightness

[topaz belfry]

Will have it in the test build with all for people that want to do stuff for science

[storm forge]

Good call 🙂

[topaz belfry]

I think auto exposure should be on in most games. Some get excessive flicker and fireflies. So should be off for those.

[storm forge]

Yeah it's motly usefully relevant to enable it usually

Redout2 is just an oddball on many fronts but it's so fast paced those things I can't even notice

What I could notice though was my fps dropping from 120-157 (reflex cap) to 70 with M or sub 60 with L

It's an Ampere peasant torture at DLAA

[topaz belfry]

M doesn't scale as well with resolution

meant to be used in performance mode

so preset M DLAA just tanks performance even without mods like Luma

[storm forge]

Meh, it's diminishing returns for sure but it's worth it at any res if it can be run easily enough (Ada and newer)

Considering the lighting improvements, I would totally use it if I had the raw power in my GPU

[topaz belfry]

I went from 240fps using preset E DLAA 4k x 1.5 resolution in MH Rise to ~50fps with preset M

on a 4080

[storm forge]

Ouch 😭

[topaz belfry]

so I just went back to preset E

[storm forge]

Luma DLSS eta wen then

Kidding

[topaz belfry]

eta soon™

[storm forge]

™

Formatting fail lol

[marsh quail]

dunno the specifics

[topaz belfry]

Nobody saw the mistake, you good

[spiral burrow]

Hi all, have any of you guys tried to use dlaa with the dragon quest 7 reimagined demo? i thought I could follow the DQ11S steps to get it working in 7R but that didn't work lol

[topaz belfry]

does dq7 support dx11?

[spiral burrow]

When I first launched the game I got error prompts not detecting dx11, so i used the dx11 launch argument and the game was able to load.

i dont know how to check if a game is dx12 or 11 once it's running though, ill have to find a way to do that

[topaz belfry]

what is then the issue?

[spiral burrow]

there probably isn't any to be honest, i just wasn't smart enough to get it to work without a detailed guide for that specific game

[marsh quail]

use reshade/rtss/specialk

[topaz belfry]

Don't have the game, make sure to set engine.ini as read only

[spiral burrow]

I'll give that a shot after work, thanks

[velvet harbor]

Just finished Jedi Fallen Order with Luma and Model M really helps with some of the missing highlights in the game, also replaying the game in HDR, DLAA, 8K shadows and increased LODs feels like a remaster despite beings the same SKU in the end

[topaz belfry]

Fallen Order is such a great game, pity the lack of optimization really.

at least hardware now can brute force it mostly

[velvet harbor]

I cranked everything and locked the game to 60hz and called it a day and it was ok for the most part except Kashyyyk where it had 1-2 pauses when exploring new areas

Here's several more with model M. Greez beard looks so good

[surreal mulch]

I so wish Survivor was more decent. Been wanting to play it but I heard terrible experiences with the pc port

[inner island]

It's ok on a very powerful pc. Like 3D v cache cpu, 16GB VRAM, stick to 1440p output resolution unless you're using a top 5 GPU.

[broken spruce]

I played Survivor with my old 6900XT. there was some stutter here and there but performance was OK

but I did play after years it came out

[rancid pine]

DX11 works, but the game only has FXAA by default and no engine.ini (tried creating one but doesn't work), UUU cant unlock console, UE4SS crashes on startup

[topaz belfry]

Going to have to wait for a lyall fix or something else to unlock the engine and developer console

Oh he made one already

Try it

[topaz belfry]

https://codeberg.org/Lyall/DQ7RFix

if someone can get it working please add the steps you took in the wiki 🙏

[rancid pine]

oh wow nice

[topaz belfry]

should be able to force TAA with that

[rancid pine]

Bloom is broken, freezes on whatever it was when DLSS got enabled
TAA/DLSS/DLSS after moving camera/DLSS after moving camera with bloom disabled

[topaz belfry]

only with dlss bloom works with TAA?

[rancid pine]

yeah, works with TAA

or at least isnt obviously broken like this

[topaz belfry]

interesting, would need to get the game to debug. probably has a false positive?

can you share reshade log?

[rancid pine]

full game isnt even out yet, just the demo

and demo is only 1.8gb

[topaz belfry]

oh

let me get it then

[rancid pine]

keep in mind its DX12 by default, need to add -dx11 launch option

[topaz belfry]

what settings did you use to get it to work?

[rancid pine]

r.ScreenPercentage = 100
r.DefaultFeature.AntiAliasing = 2
r.TemporalAA.Algorithm = 0
r.ViewDistanceScale = 5
r.StaticMeshLODDistanceScale = 0.001
r.Shadow.MaxCSMResolution = 4096
r.Shadow.MaxResolution = 4096
r.MaxAnisotropy = 16

make sure you set Enabled = true for cvars and change algorithm to 0 in DQ7RFix.ini

[topaz belfry]

ah was missing algorithm 0

think I see the issue

this is interesting, not sure how to deal with this but they combined the TAA and the first mip of the bloom into one compute shader.

so skipping TAA skips blooms

@red heath you added after draw callbacks, right?

[red heath]

last param of ondrawcustom