RenoDX: Wuthering Waves

[dull flame]

genshin is probably the only one where devs dont listen to shit

[frank heart]

104-109fps without SK

[dull flame]

so its a bad game

[frank heart]

my GPU usage is actually higher without SK running

[autumn jetty]

arent you CPU limited?

[frank heart]

yeah

[autumn jetty]

the CPU performance is probably worse with SK that's true

[frank heart]

so SK is causing more cpu overhead

so we have

two reports that says it affects

and two reports that says it doesn't

lets uh

split it in the middle

[autumn jetty]

I guess I have no issues on a 9800X3D

[frank heart]

and say that

it might affect

[echo jackal]

yeah i'm on 9800x3d as well so could be cpu diff

[autumn jetty]

Kotorin is also using a 9800X3D

yea

[frank heart]

the guy who reported to me

were on a 7800X3D

@subtle warren

and he says his perf degredation is even worse

lol

I only got like

a 5-6% reduction

[echo jackal]

my tv room pc has a 7800x3d i could probably check that later

[autumn jetty]

they do the bare minimum yea

[frank heart]

he also said SK was causing stutters for him but I couldn't verify that

any stutters is coming from this game

being ue4slop

[autumn jetty]

no stutters on my end

the game runs surprisingly smooth even with RT

[frank heart]

its fine with both SK and without SK for me , just a flat measurable perf reduction

[autumn jetty]

the worse CPU performance with SK is real, it affects all games I think

[dull flame]

ya this game had some serious spikes last time i played it

[autumn jetty]

well CPU limited games

[dull flame]

very UE

[frank heart]

SK just does so many things

although shortfuse got it somewhat covered with the fpslimiter plugin now

[dull flame]

the RT is also pretty unoptimized

[frank heart]

this ass game actually doesn't support PS4 controllers if you're using wirelessly

[echo jackal]

zzz comes to mind with worse cpu performance using sk

[frank heart]

so you need to actually use DS4 windows

or have SK already and use SK xbox emulation

[autumn jetty]

RTSS's reflex limiter is good too

[dull flame]

i was gpu limited in zzz when i was on a 4090 when playing miyabi

down to 110 fps

[autumn jetty]

I use SK for the window management thing

[frank heart]

I probably can't remove SK from ZZZ in my iGPU setup though

ZZZ is so ass at supporting resolutions

doesn't support 1440x900 borderless for some reason

need to use SK to force it

[dull flame]

why do you have a 900p screen

[frank heart]

900p borderless windows so I can use lossless scaling to upscale it to 1800p and do frame gen

14.5" 2.8K 120hz oled but amd 780m igpu

[autumn jetty]

a true Frankenstein setup I like it haha

[dull flame]

iirc

these chinese games run pretty bad on amd hardware for some reason

[frank heart]

on iGPU side

wuwu actually runs the best

on intel iGPUs

let me get the SS

[dull flame]

ya thats cuz intel gpus are just bad

[dull flame]

my motherboard doesnt even support igpu

[frank heart]

Arc 140T is the best perf for like low mid end iGPUs right now

at high end we have like strix halo with its copius amounts of CUs but i can't find numbers for that

[dull flame]

these chinese games just tend to underperform with amd gpus

[frank heart]

intel's got the distinct advantage now since they support proper XeSS while all current amd iGPU options are like still

RDNA 3/3.5

and FSR 3/2 looks really, really bad

[dull flame]

ya

apus are stuck with rdna3.5

thus limiting fsr to 3.1

[frank heart]

actually matters more in this low res

XeSS DP4a model has way less artifact in wuwa for me

[dull flame]

are you playing on a laptop

[frank heart]

laptop iGPU when i can't stream from my 4070 ti super rig

[subtle warren]

Reno with SK vs without

Oh right, u saw it already lol

[dull flame]

those ss are blinding

you uploaded sdr pngs

[subtle warren]

They were in jxr

I converted them lol

But the thing I wanted him to check was the frame rates

[dull flame]

reshade can take hdr pngs

[subtle warren]

On the corner

[dull flame]

no need to take jxr

[subtle warren]

Ah How?

[dull flame]

just click the setting tab

default hotkey is Print Screen

you can change that if you dont have that key like me

[subtle warren]

Yea but without sk is much much less

[subtle warren]

Ah okk

[dull flame]

are those stutters really frequent

[misty brook]

I think wuwa is aight

[autumn jetty]

you are the one who uses 3 million reshade shaders right?

that can cause slowdowns with SK

[subtle warren]

Nono

Lol

[autumn jetty]

my apologies then lol

[subtle warren]

I have 0 shaders working

[frank heart]

he's the other guy

not this guy

this is the guy running 6K with dldsr

[autumn jetty]

😂

[fallen tiger]

What is sk?

Is sk use with renodx instead of reshade?

[peak geyser]

SpecialK is used as a means to inject ReShade into WuWa

[fallen tiger]

but doesnt it just work if i use xxmi

is there a difference ?

[peak geyser]

Never used that so can't say personally.

[fallen tiger]

Ok ty

[autumn jetty]

Injecting ReShade through SK is not a good idea

I mean for RenoDX

[cobalt thorn]

That's what I've been currently doing 😭 what should I use instead

[peak geyser]

I think a lot of people have been using SK for ReShade. Especially since WuWa doesn't allow for a normal install of it.

1. Why is SK bad for Reno?
2. What is the recommended alternative?

[echo jackal]

please read the pins for the recommended way to use renodx

[tough ember]

All you need to use ReShade with wuwa is to put its DLL as d3d12.dll next to the executable, nothing else

Nothing fancy

[peak geyser]

It tells you how to get ReShade working, yes. But it doesn't tell you what is the drawbacks of using other methods to inject it. Or that just doing the way in the pinned message is the "best" way for w/e reason.

[peak geyser]

Why do you say that?

[echo jackal]

renodx being banned word in sk discord server should tell you enough about why its not a good idea to use them together

sometimes it works but more often than not there are compatibilty issues or other problems depending on the game

[cobalt thorn]

Injecting Reshade normally instead of w/ SK gave me waaaay more than a 5% performance boost lmfao

No longer have to use framegen either

went from ~70 to ~110 on a 9800x3D + 5090, not sure how this is even possible

[peak geyser]

70 -> 110 is a lot more than 5%. lol

[frank heart]

its banned only if ur not a regular xd

too many support requests

[peak geyser]

I'll probably try and get off of SK tomorrow. Because I always had issues with it and MPO not playing nice.

[subtle warren]

Same🤣 I'm on a 5090 too

[supple prairie]

Want to give a shout out to you guys. Yall make the game look so good, absolute goats. The first mod im looking for in any game is reno dx. Much appreciated!

[misty brook]

I don't look at my fps that closely but I'll check and see what lsfg says

[peak geyser]

I didn't believe this statement.
Just added ReShade through the pinned method and measured fps with and without SK. Went from 80 to 118 fps. Almost 48% increase in fps. What the actual fuck???

[autumn jetty]

what if you close the SK launcher that runs in the background

but reshade is a lot slower through SK anyways

an almost 50% difference is suspiciously big though

[peak geyser]

I don't run SK in the background. It's a shortcut that just runs the game with SK injected.

In Ragunna I still go down to 80fps @ 100% usage. But I think that's just how it is.

[peak geyser]

I can do screenshots.

[autumn jetty]

yea I never used SK like that, that could cause other issues idk haha

[peak geyser]

What bit HDR PNG quality should I use?

[autumn jetty]

12bit

[peak geyser]

Screenshot not grabbing the RTSS overlay...

[autumn jetty]

I believe you haha

The difference on my end is about 10%

I would stop using SK, but I need the window management feature

and no other tool can do that

I also use the last "stable" SK version, which works well enough

25.5.9.1

[astral night]

What's that?

[peak geyser]

What do you need that for? DLDSR?

[autumn jetty]

I use it to force 3840x1600 to the bottom of the screen

while keeping the desktop resolution 3840x2160

alt-tabbing works and I can do multitasking

[peak geyser]

Interesting.

[peak geyser]

I did mess up though. I didn't have DLSS 4 on. So the uplift went down to 26% with like-to-like settings.

[autumn jetty]

I don't use DLDSR

or well not for many games

[autumn jetty]

ahh I see

[sly plank]

One thing about performance testing in this game is that it's super inconsistent with RT on

[autumn jetty]

what do you mean?

just find a spot where the day/night cycle, weather is disabled

[sly plank]

Might just be me but even a light rain effect that happens in Raguna kills fps

with RT on that is

[peak geyser]

RT = dynamic lighting which = dynamic performance. XP

[autumn jetty]

there are a lot of good spots to test performance

like the new areas from 2.5

[sly plank]

I'm still stuck in uhhh 2.2

I think

[peak geyser]

^ this is true. Have to go to a cave or somehwere that has locked lighting regardless of ToD and such.

[autumn jetty]

the Whimpering Wastes entrance is "fixed" too

[peak geyser]

True. And it's actually a little heavy too.

[autumn jetty]

or the Spetimont sewers

all sonoro sphere locations

[sly plank]

That does remind me

Does anyone know whether it was the new Nvidia drivers or a patch that fixed the RT crashing

[autumn jetty]

it was a "shadow" fix, undocumented

[peak geyser]

Pretty sure it was driver.

[peak geyser]

Shit, really? Ok

[autumn jetty]

Nvidia said that it's not a diver issue

[sly plank]

Right, that's why I was curious

[autumn jetty]

Kuro updates Wuwa 2 times a day kinda

[peak geyser]

Nvidia says a lot of BS to be fair. XD

[astral night]

@main gulch is working on making an addon just for display stuff

https://discord.com/channels/1161035767917850784/1403983735031857162

[sly plank]

Well older drivers worked without crashing so I always assumed it was driver related but you never know

[autumn jetty]

there were multiple issues

the game was crashing with early 57x.xx drivers

then nvidia fixed that

but then Kuro changed something with 2.3 I think which added the RT shadows option that caused the driver to crash

and Kuro shadow fixed that issue I guess, because 580.88 is stable so far

[peak geyser]

Looks like SK was the root cause of breaking MPO and my G-Sync too. Had to disable MPO in order for G-Sync to work with SK in WuWa.

[misty brook]

Man you guys got me interested

Let me try

[echo jackal]

tested sk vs using d3d12 by itself on my 7800x3d and there's no appreciable difference from 9800x3d

if you guys have performance issues, can try using reshade64.dll with sk

[frank heart]

make sure you're not factoring in the

transformer dll replacement

with SK

and make sure you test the login screen first

in game find somewhere with locked time of day

cause time of day does change perf in this game

[peak geyser]

I did forget to turn DLSS4 back on when testing without SK.
Uplift decreased to 26% more fps w/o SK. (From 45%)

Also removing SK fixed my G-Sync issue.

[frank heart]

your g-sync issue is probably related to

the window management settings

what the game does by default is different from what SK does by default

depends on game

if you know what setting to put in that should deal with your issue

either way if the fps hit is that big for you then it might be wise to keep using without SK

I still need controller emulation and window management from SK

among other things

[peak geyser]

SK doesn't do anything for me anyways other than fps limit which I can do with RTSS anyways.

[frank heart]

if that's the only thing you're using SK for

then you can use RTSS

or the fps limiter addon

which would also be good, whichever works

[subtle warren]

Told the guys it depends from build to build the performance jump, and they thought I was crazy. I had a perf jump of almost 20% 5090+7800x3d some see 5% to 6% perf jump

[frank heart]

Your pic only saw a 9% jump bud

[subtle warren]

Max fps is 120 that's why

Should have went to a more intensive area

[frank heart]

ur welcome to take again in another area

[autumn jetty]

or optiscaler's limiter tbh

it enables reflex too, it's similar to RTSS

[frank heart]

WW already has reflex so you wont need that

optiscaler a bit finnicky for me

sometimes settings dont save even when I save them

[autumn jetty]

it works fine for me

but I mean in other games

[subtle warren]

Guys I'm trying to get hdr analysis working but it says failed to compile and the cause is supposedly V_texturewaveform

[dull flame]

ask lilium in https://discord.com/channels/1161035767917850784/1178749844848902254

[peak geyser]

Delete it and add a more recent version perhaps.

Also, sometimes it just doesn't load shit right for any real reason.

[tough ember]

Did you get everything from her repo?

[subtle warren]

Yea now everything is resolved

[peak geyser]

Nice. Was similar to my RCAS issue then. Had to get their latest build for WuWa.

[frank heart]

Optiscaler time

RCAS has 0 performance cost

[peak geyser]

I mean. It's working now with ReShade.
Don't really want to needlessly run more stuff on top of my game tbh.

[frank heart]

yeah but it's more performance for like

1 minute of setup

maybe 5

[peak geyser]

More performance?

[frank heart]

RCAS through reshade has a performance cost

RCAS through opti is basically free

and it doesn't apply to UI

and opti is like 1 minute of setting things up, tops

[peak geyser]

How much performance we really talking here?

[frank heart]

well that depends on your gpu

you mind checking your reshade stats?

there's a performance cost for both CPU + GPU

in terms of miliseconds

in the stats menu

[peak geyser]

@frank heart

[frank heart]

since ur like

80fps base

you'll probably go to 81-82fps

on opti

actually

wait

let me double check

[peak geyser]

80fps is my locked limit. Do that so that I never experience drops between easy to run and hard to run areas.

[frank heart]

whats your unlocked fps and ms cost

[peak geyser]

It depends on the area.

Raguna 70. Open field 120.

[frank heart]

assuming the cost stays the same

it's more fps if you're 120

like 3-4fps

anyways

i can show you how to get that running

pretty easy

if not then all good

[peak geyser]

So like 2%-ish

[frank heart]

yeah

https://tenor.com/view/honest-work-it-ain't-much-farmer-honest-work-done-gif-13983938260498736951

[peak geyser]

I'll keep that in mind.

[frank heart]

assuming you're already familiar

1. extract all optiscaler files in win64 folder
2. rename reshade from D3D12.dll to ReShade64.dll
3. rename optiscaler dll to d3d12.dll
4. open optiscaler.ini, change the "load reshade" option from "auto" to "yes"
5. ????
6. profit

[peak geyser]

How do I upgrade Opti's DLSS .dll?

[peak geyser]

Can't tell if override is working or not. DLSS UI says Preset F with old DLL.

Opti overlay says it is using 310.3.0 DLL. So not sure

[peak geyser]

@frank heart How TF you get Optiscaler's DLSS override to work with WuWa?? lol

[frank heart]

Need a transformer nvngx dll

In win64 folder

And an option in opti.ini, iirc

You can also replace game files, or use driver override

[peak geyser]

I replaced the game's DLSS.dll and the launcher freaked out complaining about missing files. (probably could have launched with shipping.exe but w/e)

With the New .dll in the .exe directory Opti wouldn't override the game.

Had to change this in Opti.ini for the override to work for w/e reason;
NVNGX_DLSS_Path = D:\Wuthering Waves\Wuthering Waves Game\Client\Binaries\Win64\nvngx_dlss.dll

[frank heart]

As long as it worked for u

[peak geyser]

Eventually. lol

[frank heart]

Maximum performance

[peak geyser]

Trying to figure out which fps limiter is better. RTSS or Opti. It is very hard to tell. Which I suppose is a good thing. lol

[frank heart]

Whichever one you find more convenient to use, probably

Opti's limiter is just nvidia's reflex

[peak geyser]

Which has pros and cons. Better response, worse frame times.

[frank heart]

If you have VRR u can probably just live with the worse frametimes

[peak geyser]

True.

I'll probably just use Opti. Less things bugging with the game is probably better.

[frank heart]

👍

[peak geyser]

I kind of hate how Opti communicates DLSS scaling.

[frank heart]

Wdym

The scaling ratio is as simple as it gets, no?

Also, opti fixes Ultra Quality DLSS (1.3x scale) if u want to try that in the game's menu

[peak geyser]

Normally it's communicated in fractions of 1. 1 being native.
Opti does it backwards.

So if you want to run at 88% of Native you have to use a factor of 1.141 in Optiscaler.

It's fucking backwards and stupid. lol

[frank heart]

Nah its equally common

I like the 1.x scale better

1.3 1.5 1.7 2.0

67% is kinda unexact

Becayse they came up with it from 1.5

[peak geyser]

Never seen that shit anywhere. lol
Other than DSR. But there 1.3 would be super resolution. Not a downscale

1 should be native. That's how it's communicated in most game's .ini and Nvidia. lol

Street Fighter 6 .ini for example.

[frank heart]

1 is native

In opti 1 is also native

Dlss docs seems to also use the ratio and not the percentage

[peak geyser]

I hate it. XD

[subtle warren]

@tough ember I'd want to ask you a favor, if you could fix some overbrightened scenes/moments during battle on db Sparking zero

Pls think about it

[tough ember]

Wait do you mean the dbz game or am I tripping

[subtle warren]

Yes exactly

The new one

Sparking zero

It has a renodx add on, but it's kind on bugged at times

[tough ember]

I can try to look at the code but I don’t own it so it’d be pure speculation unfortunately

I can also see if the maintainer is still in the server

[subtle warren]

I checked I sent a message but there is no reply

[subtle warren]

Ok!

[tough ember]

But yes, I can take a look to see if there’s anything glaringly obvious. It’ll just be tough without being able to test

[subtle warren]

Thanks a lot, what do you need?

[tough ember]

I guess just knowing more about where/how you’re seeing it overbrightened, and whether you mean it’s blown out (loss of detail), or something not being tonemapped (HDR analysis going well over peak)

[subtle warren]

Okay I will send you a clip👌🏿

@tough ember

when goku says the final HAAA

you can see how overbrightened is to the point it changes color

The whole thing is messed up

[frank heart]

Why dont u ask in the dbz channel

[subtle warren]

When I asked wino I thought i wouldn't receive an answer by the guy who's worked on it

[autumn jetty]

Me too, it makes more sense:

2160/1.5 =1 440

[peak geyser]

Maybe I'm dumb then. But it seems like a lot more work to figure out.

I.e.
I am 1440p native. And I want to run at say 85% of native. What factor would I use?

You have to first calculate 1440 x 0.85 = 1224.
Then
1440/1224 = 1.177

[tough ember]

Oh, did he get back to you though?

I won’t be able to look until later today

[autumn jetty]

The formula is 100/x aka 100/85= 1.17647…

all you need to know is the resolution percentage, to calculate the factor

If we are talking about DLDSR then it’s a little bit more complicated. For DLSS all you need is the Y axis value for DLDSR you need both the X and Y axes.
2.25 DLDSR factor = 1.5 width x 1.5 height or 1.5x1.5 = 2.25 aka the total pixel count is 2.25 times higher than native.

The one axis render scale is 150% aka 100/150 = 0.667.-> 1440/0.667. = 2160p

[subtle warren]

Yea but she said she's not sure if she willing to rework on it :/
She said the whole thing needs rework lol

[peak geyser]

Fair. Suppose I was needlessly converting the % to resolution, then figuring out the factor.

[tough ember]

Ahhh, if that’s the case it’s probably impossible for me to do anything without owning the game. I’m sorry 😔

[misty brook]

What about the addon

Fps limiter addon

[subtle warren]

It's alright☹️

[frank heart]

Doesnt matter

Just use whatever works for u

RTSS, reflex, fps addon

[proven oasis]

Hey guys,
Got a doubt.

I used the settings mentioned [here](#1383049193186136216 message) and everything does look better than they ever did.
But when using Cartwheel's burst -- a lot of the impact frames of the part where she casts down the sword are lost.
Sharing a video below to show you what I mean.

Is there something I can change to not lose these details?

Wait, no video playback? Lemme see if I can change something.

Done. As you can see, it's mostly just black frames while she plunges her sword -- all the white colored impact frames are drowned out.
Can confirm that this happens only in HDR with RenoDX on, as I tested the same in SDR without RenoDX and could see the full impact frames fleshed out as it should.

Would appreciate the help 😄

[frank heart]

No need for a video

It was an issue that was just never fully resolved

The ult can also break in sdr if you use wrong settings too 🙂

@tough ember was figuring out the threshold to make it work but then the great clamping patch arrived and that had to be put on hold to fix all the new shaders first 🙂

[tough ember]

The clampening 😰

As far as I can tell, even in the unmodified shader the game does not try to take into account any of the in-game sliders when deciding what goes white and what goes black.

Which is why as spiwar said, it’s been reported to happen in SDR without RenoDX.

BUT I would like to eventually figure it out, which would essentially be me trying to shift the threshold based on what has been set by the RenoDX sliders.

[frank heart]

I wonder if I should try and send them a bug report to get them to fix it in SDR

and then we can yeet whatever they do if they actually fixed it

[proven oasis]

Hmm okay, thanks for the replies
So what I'm understanding here is that this is something that can't be changed by simply tweaking the settings in the RenoDX sliders and it needs a more fundamental level change correct?

Seems like the Cartwheel burst is buggy -- the price to pay for peak impact frame animation I guess.

[subtle warren]

Guys Oklab or ICtCp?

[autumn jetty]

Oklab for Anime style games and ICtCp for everything else

[frank heart]

It depends

[tough ember]

It can be “fixed” with the sliders, but imo if you like how your game looks outside of the ult, I wouldn’t sacrifice that just to get the ult looking better

[tough ember]

The default was previously Oklab, I changed it to ICtCp somewhat arbitrarily when testing extreme blowout restoration/hue correction because it produced slightly less cursed results, but definitely not the end all be all

[autumn jetty]

DarkTable is better than both on paper, but it has issues atm

but this basically: #💻hdr-games-dev message

[misty brook]

Says no access

[proven oasis]

Oh I see. Would you be able to suggest the exact sliders I can adjust to fix the ult?
Appreciate it

[tough ember]

Unfortunately any deviation from the defaults is going to make the ult worse because it will shift the scene either darker or lighter than what the game’s black/white threshold expects. So probably the only things you could adjust without altering the ult would be saturation, blowout restoration, and the other chromaticity-related sliders that don’t affect lightness of colors.

[tough ember]

Yeah, every game I try DarkTable in has artifacts

[stark topaz]

seeing as they are updating DLSS 4, will they update FG as well? will it then work with Reno?

[umbral granite]

No

Since the issue is Reno + trans FG interaction caused. If they added native HDR, trans FG flicker would be fixed. (assuming this reno swaps over to fixing native HDR)

Shortfuse has already located and 'fixed' the issue

now he is debooging it all

[stark topaz]

Ooo nice

Shame i do not have a 5000 card series, they will put MFG with 2.6 T^T

[autumn jetty]

FG 2x is good enough imo

[stark topaz]

unfortunately is not 2x when i turn it on, so i was thinking 3x should do better XD

and actually doubling it XD

but eh, i have 40 series so T^T

[tough ember]

Kuro is including DLSS 4 with the game by default?

[subtle warren]

Yup

Next patch

[stark topaz]

they will upgrade it to MFG and add FSR and the intel thing

[frank heart]

Intel xess was already in the game...

[tough ember]

Neat!

I hope they change all the shaders again too! 🤣

[frank heart]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[stark topaz]

oh i didn't knew that, i guess they added the ver 2 of it ?

or they extend the cards that can use it ?

[frank heart]

Just update the dll to xess 2.0

Nothing special

[stark topaz]

Oh it makes sense

[frank heart]

Xess was already available for intel users for a long time

[stark topaz]

I’m gonna try to soon buy the 9800x3d and hope i do get some FPS boost in WuWa, as for a GPU upgrade, i got to wait for the next 1-2 years

Gonna gun for a 6080 XD or maybe AMD! But i kinda like DLSS

Cuz i got to wait untill FSR 4 is in as many games as DLSS

how in hell are you still CPU bound with a 9800x3d T^T

[echo jackal]

SK not reporting correctly in that menu screen

[stark topaz]

Oh i se

[autumn jetty]

I don’t think that the game is very CPU limited

I will check the cpu/gpu busy graph but Im pretty sure that the game is 99% GPU limited with a 9800X3D

[echo jackal]

the game is actually cpu bound as with many UE titles

think the cpu graph is still reporting half the expected number since i'm getting 90 fps here, but yeah any busy area with npcs around will tank cpu performance, with frame gen on around 160 fps and 90% gpu usage

[autumn jetty]

I mean it depends on your target FPS

and resolution

and GPU ofc

90% GPU usage with a 5090? that's not bad actually

[peak geyser]

They'll probably do the bullshit Marvel Rivals thing where DLSS will still be DLSS3 but it rolls over to DLSS4 if you turn FG on.
#FuckPeopleWhoHave30xxSeries&Older

[echo jackal]

not great either, without frame gen its like 75% gpu usage and when we start moving around it gets worse

when transformer frame gen is fixed and i can use mfg it'll be a non issue fortunately

[autumn jetty]

well it's a lot better than something like Dragon's Dogma 2 haha

[echo jackal]

oh yeah theres definitely worse ones

[peak geyser]

Could be worse. Could be Avowed. XD
Where the devs are so bad they can't make their NPCs move otherwise no one would be able to run it.

[autumn jetty]

no heavy CPU limit here

the GPU wait is only 0.2 ms

daytime is similar

ignore the alt tab spike lol

@echo jackal try it without SK, SK is known to be heavy on the CPU

presentmon is a better monitoring tool anyways

[echo jackal]

sk performance difference was negligible when i tested the other day

got too much stuff open in the background right now too

[autumn jetty]

well XD

with only the game open (+discord) the game is not CPU limited at around 115 fps on my PC

I will reduce the graphics quality in a sec to test

oh but I cant remove the 120 fps limit

rip

[echo jackal]

if you turn frame gen on it removes the 120 fps limit

[autumn jetty]

meh

ok

[echo jackal]

kinda silly they cap it at 120 tho

[autumn jetty]

yea

[peak geyser]

There are a lot of stupid limitations in this game by the devs.

[autumn jetty]

high RT and high crowd density is enabled

I will try to squeeze more FPS out of the 4080

still not really CPU limited

and that's 300+ fps with peace native frames

[peak geyser]

Wish I could get 300fps with my 3080 Ti. XP

[autumn jetty]

thats 640x267 res lol

[peak geyser]

Probably what I would have to do. lul

[frank heart]

Use SK's reflex

Ingame relfex is broken and will always show half the fps

The gpu graph should still be correct tho

So you're still CPU bound

133 over 91~ fps

[autumn jetty]

the game is not really CPU limited if the GPU is not waiting tho

if the CPU can prepare frames for the GPU to render then the game is not 100% CPU limited, some physics/etc simulations can be CPU limited but the game itself is not

[frank heart]

You're not limited by ur pics tho

Broken reflex means fps x2

And you're sitting at 110fps over 210fps there

[autumn jetty]

oh

I have no idea why the CPU performance on Kotorin's end is so bad then

[frank heart]

Kotorin probably has some additional engine ini commands

That gets rid of the pop in almost entirely

I also use that

No grass pop in in septimont

Its great

[autumn jetty]

and it halves the CPU performance lol

what are those settings?

I will test it

[frank heart]

foliage.LODDistanceScale=3
foliage.DensityType=2```

thats my settings

i think it goes up to 3

[peak geyser]

Scale 3 shouldn't be that demanding.
Scale 5 is pretty intense though.

[frank heart]

foliage.LODDistanceScale=3
foliage.DensityType=2```

yeah view and foliage lod to 3

should be pretty much close to the most visual impact

[echo jackal]

yeah i was just checking the ini commands which do have an impact on cpu for sure

[autumn jetty]

where should Insert these

I mean under which "group"

[echo jackal]

this is with stock ini so similar performance to what you got there

364 fps with gpu usage 73%

[autumn jetty]

I mean, then we can't really say that the game is CPU limited

[echo jackal]

thing is the settings also scale with cpu

maxed out settings use a lot more cpu

[peak geyser]

Depending on how high you have RT cranked. If your RT cores are maxing out your GPU won't hit 100%

[peak geyser]

Different settings hit different parts to different degrees. Texture quality for example has little to nothing to do with CPU load. Other than data streaming.

[echo jackal]

and once we actually start moving, fps immediately drops

[peak geyser]

That almost makes it sounds more like a storage limitation, potentially.

[autumn jetty]

maybe with the ini settings

[echo jackal]

even without the ini settings

[autumn jetty]

the fps fluctuation is not high

1-2 dropped frames here and there especially at area borders

and there is that one cursed area in Septimont where the fps halves no matter what

it's a really small area with an elevator

not sure what's going on there

I mean if you play with unlocked FPS and your GPU can't keep up with the demand then yea FPS will drop

[peak geyser]

That's every game.
Different areas have different performance requirements.

[autumn jetty]

no it's just like a 10 square meter area

nothing is as demanding in the game as that small house with an elevator

[peak geyser]

Was just speaking about your last phrase there.

[autumn jetty]

ah yea

[echo jackal]

1080p ultra performance still fluctuates from 250 down to 150 fps just moving around town

[autumn jetty]

with fg?

[echo jackal]

yes thats with fg on

gpu is never maxed

[autumn jetty]

waht if you turn off fg?

[peak geyser]

You should show the CPU cores. The game might not be optimized to use all cores.

[echo jackal]

fg off it will actually drop under 100 fps sometimes

[echo jackal]

no UE games are optimized to use all cores, they're known to be very heavily single core bottlenecked

[autumn jetty]

running around in that area i get single frame drops here and there

[peak geyser]

You using RT? And if so what setting?

[echo jackal]

everything maxed with RT on

[peak geyser]

RT cores could be bottlenecked.

RT in this game is bad, even for RT.

[autumn jetty]

RT shadows are broken tho

[echo jackal]

although fg off is also probably a consequence of their shitty 120 fps limiter so hard to take those numbers accurately anyway

[autumn jetty]

I cant upload videos larger than 100mb

ugh

[peak geyser]

Upload to YT

[autumn jetty]

oh wow after like 2 weeks YT processed my HDR video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SBvIYZ8aQU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LdrSljrqHY

ignore the weird cropping I wanted to reduce the video size lol

game is locked to 90

it drops 2 fps for a sec, but thats it it's pretty smooth otherwise

[frank heart]

[/Script/Engine.RendererSettings]

@autumn jetty insert under that

if its not there yet than u can create one

have a couple of jank stuff under mine

[echo jackal]

90 is decent, but still kinda bad that it still drops even at that low of a bar

[peak geyser]

I think some of those commands are dated.

[peak geyser]

You're always going to have some hiccups. They should be pretty infrequent though.

[echo jackal]

i don't play at 90 though and doesn't change the fact that the game is quite cpu bound

my old 5900x struggled real hard

[peak geyser]

idk. My 9800X3D is barely taxed. But I also only play at 80fps.

[autumn jetty]

it's an unnoticable 1-2 fps drop here and there lol

[autumn jetty]

But it's not CPU bound except if you try to elinimate pop-in by adjusting LOD specific settings

[echo jackal]

i mean i just showed above 1080p ultra performance with no engine.ini edits, 100 fps fluctuation from cpu

[autumn jetty]

something else must be taxting your CPU

I had no issue running around with 300+ fps with FG

no huge drops

CPU limit starts at around 190-200 fps

[echo jackal]

were you running with maxed in game settings?

[autumn jetty]

high RT + high crowd density + LOD bias high

those there are the most CPU intensive

[echo jackal]

can you try with everything maxed, since those are the settings that we actually play with, assuming you're not hitting a gpu bottleneck by turning those up

[autumn jetty]

well you cant expect much from a 4080

but I will see how high I can get with everything maxed and super low res

ignore the quality I did not want to change the OBS settings

I'm slightly CPU limited, but there are no huge drops

[echo jackal]

thanks that confirms we're seeing about the same performance

was doing some more testing, its probably streaming related. Spin the camera a bit and you'll see those drops, or just fly around

[autumn jetty]

flying in/out of areas cause traversal stutter

but no fps drop when I'm spinning the camera

it's stable enough imo

when the GPU usage goes above 90-95% it drops ~2 frames

[echo jackal]

scene dependent with number of npcs, better here than my earlier run but yeah your gpu usage looks decent there

[autumn jetty]

yea it's not that bad

[echo jackal]

wonder if they will fix the frame gen performance next update, the scaling is still pretty borked right now

may also be part of the reason its not able to fully utilize the gpu

[peak geyser]

I mean. If you really want to figure out what is going on you could use Nsight. XP

[tropic oyster]

does the anti cheat even let you hook nsight

[peak geyser]

Honestly couldn't tell you. Possible. Most other things are able to hook.

[frank heart]

maybe not

renderdoc doesn't

🙂

[nocturne lava]

I've seen a lot of games where mfg doesn't scale well tbh

[tough ember]

Renderdoc 💔

[stark topaz]

@echo jackal i heard from some one that going to 7800x3d in this game specifically they got quit a boost in FPS because of how shit it’s optimised, was that true? Or i guess you always had a x3d CPU when you played this game?

[echo jackal]

well yes if you're going from non x3d to x3d it will be a significant boost, i've ran the game on a 5900x, 7800x3d and 9800x3d and saw gains throughout

[stark topaz]

So it was true

Nice :3

[echo jackal]

pretty reputable tech reviewer channel has benchmarked this too

[frank heart]

yea

like

even 7800X3D got 73fps lows

so it's just peak UE cpu jank

[stark topaz]

Damn

[echo jackal]

yeah when theres jank involved we take as much cpu performance as we get

they didn't bench wuwa in the 9800x3d review but they did do zenless zone zero

another cpu dumpster fire

[stark topaz]

even ZZZ!

[autumn jetty]

@echo jackal did you enable reBAR for Wuwa btw?

[frank heart]

I dont think rebar makes a difference

Ive tested it a while back for both ZZZ and WW

[echo jackal]

i have it on but yeah same as spiwar i didn't notice any significant differences

[autumn jetty]

I mean that it might even cause issues/slowdowns if you have it enabled

[frank heart]

I mean reviewers have tested it and that weak 1% lows is real

So the wildly swinging perf is just expected for this game

[autumn jetty]

yea at higher fps

[echo jackal]

part of the unreal jank, i saw lazorr mention similar behavior in other titles

[autumn jetty]

UE 5.4 performs better

[echo jackal]

we need ue 5.6 but it'll be years before games start shipping with that

[autumn jetty]

yea unfortunately

[echo jackal]

a whole generation of games with gimped performance and it takes them ages to start addressing it

[autumn jetty]

and DX12 UE4 was even worse

for a very long time

even DX11

asset streaming issues and traversal stutter

[echo jackal]

stutter struggle is pain

[autumn jetty]

the texture pop-in issue started with Mass Effect 1!! Which was UE 3

[echo jackal]

i hate pop in so much too

[autumn jetty]

texture pop in was even worse than LOD pop-in

[echo jackal]

very immersion breaking

[autumn jetty]

but Epic managed to fix it in one of the later UE4 versions

[stark topaz]

Are we gonna need to wait untill UE 6.0 for them to fix this ?

[autumn jetty]

5.6 looks promising

but who knows

[echo jackal]

yeah remember when they showed off nanite, then it turned out to be undercooked and didn't work on tons of things

[stark topaz]

Yeah that amazing Demo end up being such a huge lie T^T

[peak geyser]

Maybe, but then they will break something else. Usually how it has been going.

[stark topaz]

Pay the current debt with another one >.>

[umbral granite]

UE6 will fix stuttering and current UE memes

but....

will introduce some other shenanigans

vibe based coding that hallucinates scenes

[autumn jetty]

hmm wuwa is stuck at the loading screen 80%

i changed nothing

lol

I mean the game is loaded but I can only see the loading screen

nvm I found the issue

[dull flame]

UE6 will not fix borked native hdr

[peak geyser]

I forget.
Was there a fix for the FG flicker?

Just saw the other channel. Looks like it is in active development.

[frank heart]

wait for the cook to be finished

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-23945636

[peak geyser]

So... when Fuse is able to get the fix for FG running. How hard will it be to get it working with the WuWa branch? Is that like a big deal?

[astral night]

One-liner, like everything else I do

[peak geyser]

Crazy. So efficient. ^^

[astral night]

renodx::utils::dlss_hook::Use(fdw_reason)

[frank heart]

stuff like highlights 2 is already available right? just need the maintainer to put it in?

Can't remember if any other feature's been talked about recently but not implemented to this wuwa branch yet

[astral night]

i started graphing it and it's sus

but highlights1 isn't that great either

it's also a one-liner to enable it

#define RENODX_COLOR_GRADE_HIGHLIGHTS_VERSION 2

[tough ember]

i'm planning on adding presets + a slider to bandaid black and white effects like fleurdelys ult + highlights2 when i inevitably need to also update shaders with the new patch

[frank heart]

In time for transformer FG fix and new patch

I think they wont break anything other than new shaders for new char

||famous last words||

[tough ember]

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

we shall see

[frank heart]

apparently infinity nikki (another UE4 UE game with ACE anti cheat) updated their anti cheat and now both D3D12.dll winmm.dll is blocked (courtesy of @languid dome)

so if wuwu ever updated their theirs

its been a good run

[languid dome]

(the game is UE5 but uh yeah it's UE ACE)

yeah i can't get reshade to inject at all

we had a good run everyone

WAIT IT'S LESS DOOMED

inject.exe works.

[frank heart]

inject64 works?

[languid dome]

it didn't work the first time i tried but i guess i had a skill issue

because it's working now

[frank heart]

pog

not so screwed

I guess SK is on the same method to inject and its just tripping up somewhere else?

[languid dome]

i don't know why SK is failing

[subtle warren]

so changing the name from d3d12 to inject64 will work?

[frank heart]

you use inject64

another program

dont worry about it for now

[umbral granite]

Brother

You're telling me

I waited for FG fix

And now I am going to get cucked out of reno

[languid dome]

there is alternatives for now

but also this is based around the assumption that kuro will update their anti-cheat

of which tbh, there is proof they might not LMAO

[umbral granite]

Ok ok

So we're safe

[languid dome]

because instead of updating ACE to get a version of that works on the Steam Deck, they chose to keep their old version and added their own much weaker bypass when they launched on Steam.

(The way regular ACE works on the Steam Deck, is that they do a bunch of checks to 1) see if you are running under wine and 2) see if you are an actual Steam Deck, this includes actually checking the CPUID and the GPU name to see if they match the ones from a Steam Deck, and spoofing that is pretty hard.)

(meanwhile, the way WuWa devs got the game working on Steam Deck, is by disabling ACE if you have SteamDeck=1 set on your environment variables)

(top tier anti-cheat development)

[languid dome]

Safe is a strong word, we have alternatives for now (assuming WuWa and other games update their ACE version), but the fact they decided to plug this hole after years, does concern me a bit that they might be willing to fight us.

If ACE updates again and they kill inject64, it's pretty doomed lol

[umbral granite]

Some bullshit

Well

Atleast FF14 is safe

[dusky vigil]

Issue Description
I’m trying to use Special K with RenoDX in WuWa, but I’m running into issues.

Steps I’ve Tried
Used SK Lazy
Placed both RenoDX files in the SK reshade folder and SK profile folder

Current Situation
The game doesn’t seem to activate RenoDX

Questions
Has anyone successfully used SK + RenoDX in WuWa?
Am I missing a step or doing something wrong?

[dusky vigil]

after reinstalling the game, it works.

[autumn jetty]

You should generally avoid loading ReShade + RenoDX through SK. Rename the ReShade64.dll to d3d12.dll ,then move both the renamed dll and the addon file to the game's root directory: Wuthering Waves\Wuthering Waves Game\Client\Binaries\Win64

RenoDX can fail to load if you try to inject it through SK

it's random

[misty brook]

Any way to temporarily disable reshade and renodx?

I use the slider but the colors are still for hdr

[autumn jetty]

rename the d3d12.dll to idk d3d12.dll_d

or you mean in-game?

[misty brook]

Disabling the plugin works I guess

Although that requires a restart

[frank heart]

Nah

Never fail

As longn as u correctly set it up

[autumn jetty]

if you load the addon using the global injection method then it can fail

it will never fail if you copy the addon file next to the game exe

it can even crash sometimes using global injection

[frank heart]

No i have never failed global injection

[autumn jetty]

or well this is my experience with ReShade + Addon injection using SK

[frank heart]

Once it starts working

Anytime i fail rejection its only because i forgot to say yes to SK admin prompt

[autumn jetty]

but even if it works, local injection is faster

[frank heart]

Its just sk

Local vs global doesnt really make a diff for me

Sk no sk does

But yea

[autumn jetty]

it does for me

[frank heart]

Yeah i dont doubt that

[autumn jetty]

SK itself causes no slowdowns on my PC

[frank heart]

We went thru this a while ago

Ppl have diff results

[autumn jetty]

yea

there are a lot of factors probably

[frank heart]

On another note

If shortfuse fixes dlssfg flicker

XeFG flicker when using optiscaler might also be fixed

The one that relies on streamline input 🙂

[autumn jetty]

nice 😄

[frank heart]

U gotta try xefg

Leagues above fsrfg fr fr

And it doesnt crap itself if you dont have UI

[autumn jetty]

I don't really like FG not even Nvidia's FG

I only use it if I must

[frank heart]

Since it seems to infer what the UI is even without being provided a UI

[buoyant pumice]

Does anyone know how renodx works together with XXMI? I followed this tutorial and installed ReShade as a XXMI Launcher Addon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtSuPKqpfLI&t=140s
). After installing successfully, pressing the Home key in-game opens the ReShade console.

I then downloaded the latest renodx-addon64 file from GitHub (https://clshortfuse.github.io/renodx/renodx-wutheringwaves.addon64
), but whether I place the addon64 file in the game root directory or in the ReShade folder, it doesn’t take effect when I start the game.

[subtle warren]

@buoyant pumice is it reshade with add on version

Download reshade from the website

There are 2 types of Reshade to download
One just reshade the other one reshade with add ons

Download the reshade with add ons only

[peak geyser]

We gonna move the channel to the new Discord?

[patent blade]

Where’s the new discord?

[astral night]

https://discord.gg/9Bm4RZA8

[languid dome]

why are you doing this to me

[umbral granite]

100 servers

https://tenor.com/view/why-blink-what-gif-15051995

[astral night]

Stop being so popular!

Nitro lets you have 200

"lets you" 🤌

[misty brook]

I have an alt for less used servers

Keeps my main clean

[fallen tiger]

why is there a new one is this one getting shut down？

[peak geyser]

Think Reno makes up such a large portion of the server now that it makes more sense for it to be it's own thing.

[umbral granite]

Reno is expanding beyond just HDR

Hence why SF thought it was a good idea to make a separate server

Plus that means restructuring can happen so it is easier to find RenoDX threads for games

because discord sucks

[peak geyser]

I knew he was working on the FG fix. Are there other features coming down the pipe?

[umbral granite]

FG fix is hopefully out tomo

He now has Streamline hooks

which means next up is adding DLSS to games

then FG as well

[peak geyser]

You mean to like games that don't support DLSS natively?

[umbral granite]

https://discord.com/channels/1161035767917850784/1403983735031857162

pmnox has also been working on Window managment addon for reshade

pretty much gets you SK features

without the compat issues when using Reno

[umbral granite]

yes

[peak geyser]

That would be wild.
Am going through MGSV right now. The game only has FXAA and it looks like total cheeks because of it. DLAA would be such an improvement.

[umbral granite]

A few of us have been wishing for DLAA in MGSV

in general that game also needs HDR

and replacing the SSAO with xegtao

ofc DLSS/DLAA isnt 'easy' to add

Luma already has those abilities

and it takes months to add in DLSS just to replace TAA

which already has jitter, motion vectors and all

pre TAA games will be very difficult

shimmering go brrr

Need to use DLDSR or DSR at 6k/8k to cope

Arkham Knights will be a good candidate for DLSS and Pumbo already has plans to work on that

As much as people glaze Knights for its visuals, the shimmering from literal everything is abysmal

[peak geyser]

Yeah, I just ended up using DLDSR 2.25 and it fixed it pretty well. GPU usage went from like 22% to 50%. lol (also added Beyond Ultra settings)

Am using Auto HDR for the game, but the blacks are crazy crushed.
I might be able to fix the HDR with ReShade.
But...
ReShade can't be used with MGSV.
And the 1 way you can use it doesn't work with Auto HDR, which was the whole point. XP

[naive delta]

Lol imagine running this game with anticheat

[naive delta]

Nope

I'm using d3d12.dll to load uevr into nikki

[languid dome]

what do you mean nope? lol

[languid dome]

steam or standalone?

standalone didn't get the patch

[naive delta]

standalone

[languid dome]

for some ???????? reasons

[naive delta]

Oh

Well

[languid dome]

try the steam client if you doubt me.

[naive delta]

Doesn't matter anyway I have multiple other injectors that work on ace

[languid dome]

i mean i do too lmao

i did find the d3d12.dll method convenient though

it also worked on wine which was pretty important to me since i play this game on linux

[naive delta]

There are at least 10 other win32 dlls the game will happily proxy load from

[languid dome]

actually, not anymore, i tried a bunch of them and they also got killed with this patch

[naive delta]

and at least 4 dlls it ships with that you can replace with no issue

[languid dome]

(that does still work however)

[languid dome]

maybe there is one that still works, idk, at some point after a lot of failures, i stopped trying proxying win32 dlls and just tried proxying a game dll lmao.

(and that worked)

[naive delta]

Hmm did you delete your crashes in between? Sometimes anti cheats can be really petty and just crash you if you have prior crashes lol

[naive delta]

||A****-L*****-x64.dll|| my beloved

[languid dome]

i nuked crashsight/perfsight and the crashpad_handler, nothing generate crashes anymore
i was getting the "illegal software" message from ace anyway, not proper game crashes.

[naive delta]

oh Nikki never crashes for me now even running lua scripts to free cam and spawn lights and such so I've never needed that. Wuwa oddly enough always crashes if I mess with perfsight but I haven't run ACE with wuwa in ages

[languid dome]

i got rid of perfsight with nikki in particular because it was fucking with renodx lmao

the game did not care one bit if i just deleted perfsight.dll/crashsight.dll

so i did

#1321685184852135967 message deleting perfsight/crashsight made the game stop from creating that bridge window lmao

(if you don't do that, it breaks resource upgrades and you get clamping on some areas)

[naive delta]

btw if they do ever tighten up the anticheat you can just come to standalone version and I'll give you a self injecting dll that you just inject into the launcher. They would have to force secure boot and run their driver at startup to even have a chance of beating that. And frankly they're already going way too hard for a dress up game so I wouldn't put it past them

[languid dome]

the steam client also has the launcher btw

but i'll keep that in mind

[naive delta]

oh that's right lol

Well

That might be a problem because of steam

[languid dome]

this game does bizarrely have one of the strongest ACE implementations around lol

there are stronger implementations exclusively on chinese-version of games but uh

i have no clue why they are going so hard at this game anyway, what are they trying to protect?

[naive delta]

strinova has the most obnoxious. They keep screwing up my stereo pipeline some how despite having no reason to touch that. But they can't keep me from getting into the actual memory?? Like I could easily cheat but God forbid I want to play in VR and make the game harder for myself

[languid dome]

it certainly isn't assets given how easy it is to decrypt them lol

[naive delta]

Yeah idk but I got several clown awards in the steam discussions for telling people that infold is not in fact trying to keep out r18 modders and that if the Chinese government allowed it they would readily sell that content themselves lol. Mind you this is the company that makes love and deepspace.

[languid dome]

i know for a matter of fact that Paper would do more risque designs if they could lmao, i saw the stuff they made for Love Nikki

they had a collab with a lingerie company once lmao.

the CN government started clamping down on their designs in recent years for some reason lol.

(which is why some SN suits got censored and most new suits have been very safe lol)

[naive delta]

I'm 100% certain the government tells their game devs not to allow modding (except for mihoyo). Snowbreak just nuked themselves

After already getting censored by the government last year

[languid dome]

oh yeah absolutely.

[naive delta]

wuwa is flying a little close to the sun I fear

[languid dome]

idk what wuwa is doing because i don't play it lol

don't get bonked y'all i guess lmao

[languid dome]

also how well IN works with UEVR?

i never thought about doing that and i'm curious now

my 3070 will probably get destroyed

[naive delta]

It's amazing actually like pretty damn near flawless but it will run at 15 fps for you lol

I'll be honest the whole universe reset thing sucks but playing that shit in VR was crazy

[languid dome]

[naive delta]

I have a 4070 Ti super, 7900x, 96gb 5600 MHz and I get like probably 30-45 fps in this game in VR but it looks damn good so I can live with that

but even if you don't play VR uevr is great for the scripting api. I'm basically remaking the camera and light tools from UUU rn

[languid dome]

i was going to ask about that actually, where were you running Lua on lmao

on an external Lua VM or the Lua VM of the game

LOL

because i'm not sure if you are aware, but this game is pratically scripted entirely in lua lmao.

(a lot of Lua)

anyway i was a masochist and i tried reimplementing some of the features of a FFXIV plugin named Ktisis (https://github.com/ktisis-tools/Ktisis) using C++ with a dumped SDK Lmao.

(i just really wanted to make custom poses)

but dealing with skeletons gave me nightmares and i got distracted with other things so it's on the backburner lmao

[subtle warren]

If we delete the anticheat folder

?

[umbral granite]

Re-downloading Wuwa to get ready for the FG fix drop today

Why did no one tell me we have PEAK now

[stark topaz]

I can’t wait, cuz my new CPU is actualy doing wanders for the garbo optimisation in this game so with a proper FG fix it should work even better XD

[umbral granite]

Do those engine.inis still work?

I remember using one to increase draw distance

[stark topaz]

For wuwa? It should

We had some changes made when in septimont grass will disappear from long distances and it did increase draw distance for grass last time

[stark topaz]

Oh i guess that;s what you mean by increase draw distance XD

[umbral granite]

replacing the streamline files brings up a 'your game may be corrupted' pop up

how am I going to force MFG slop?

[stark topaz]

Ain\t 2.6 gonna add MFG slop any way?

[umbral granite]

Thought it was +2.7?

[stark topaz]

Nop

Next update :3

[umbral granite]

wait

[stark topaz]

On 28 this month

[umbral granite]

oh you're talking about the actual game

[stark topaz]

Yeah

XD

[umbral granite]

why the 28th

FUUUUU

I already have POE2 on the 29th

some bullsheet

[stark topaz]

I mean for me on sep 4th is ZZZ while Silksong is out >.>

Guess got to play both of them

[umbral granite]

CA slider isnt doing anything?

Discord search is failing me

in case this has already been mentioned

[umbral granite]

Used the Engine.ini Spiwar posted + the UE CA disable command

THIS GAME LOOKS SO NICE

[stark topaz]

Hm, did he made changes to it? Cuz i only use the one from brandy discord,

[umbral granite]

I was looking at the one on github + website and his

Spiwar's is trimmed down

Tried out the meme RT + RR one

pretty much crippled perf by half

no negligible visuals

[stark topaz]

Can you give me the one you are now using? I wanna test it later, did he also made RT changes to it ?

Cuz the one i”m using also has RT changes but for medium

[frank heart]

Force via driver or ignore error

I dont have that message when running via steam

Or just running the exe

[umbral granite]

Yh I was launching from the standalone launcher

You can force streamline update via inspector?

[frank heart]

WW is detected in nvidia app

Shpuld be able to force new FG

[umbral granite]

That i get

because via inspector I cant do mfg

so I'll try NVapp

Then again the update will have MFG

so might as well wait

meme RT + RR / ini without meme RT + RR

metal reflections are better

but thats about it

sun position is different so I dont think the shadow differences are apple to apple comparison

40-50% perf loss avg

[stark topaz]

Share config? :3

[umbral granite]

one sec

[stark topaz]

Thanks

[umbral granite]

I've commented out the meme RT + RR

but you can remove the ; if you want to try it out

[stark topaz]

thing is i have no idea what that means?

[umbral granite]

its some ultra RT tweaks from the github

and ray reconstruction

[stark topaz]

oh no ! b

[umbral granite]

I've also adjusted motion blur

r.MotionBlurQuality=2
r.MotionBlurSeparable=1
r.MotionBlur.Amount=0.33
r.MotionBlur.TargetFPS=0
r.MotionBlur.Max=5

I slap this on every UE game

r.Streamline.DLSSG.RetainResourcesWhenOff=1

will help with that awful stutter when entering menus with FG on

[umbral granite]

Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.DownsampleFactor=8

RIP

no wonder it is destroying perf

let me change that to 24

[stark topaz]

thanks :3

[stark topaz]

i mean, that is ULTRA RT :3

[frank heart]

it doesn't matter in this game

cause motion blur doesn't apply to characters

🤣

it's actually a crime

particles get motion blur

camera get motion blur

but character movement are exempt from it

[stark topaz]

Do i even wanna activate motion blur in wuwa? Cuz i always disable it

In any game

[frank heart]

whatever u want

[stark topaz]

What do you think about it?

Are you a motion blur enjoyer ? :3

[umbral granite]

welp then

[stark topaz]

I;m ask you instead cuz spiwar didn’t answer my question

Way do you wanna activate motion blur in WuWa? Cuz i keep it deactivate in any game, and how does wuwa motion blur not applying to the character means ?

I short, i wanna know way people activate smear to their motion XD

[umbral granite]

Because we're contrarians

'Gaymers' swear by turning off everything

bloom

CA

grain

borders

motion blur

fog

volumetrics

each their own

motion blur that isnt ass e.g default UE that targets 30FPS 🤮 at high framerates say triple digits

looks nice

[cosmic hearth]

Motion blur increases performance loss

[stark topaz]

oh, i didn;t know that specific technical idea

[umbral granite]

Look, I wouldnt use motion blur at 30FPS

even though that is what devs do and have done for vidya

but decent motion blur at +120FPS looks nice

helps to blend

[stark topaz]

oh i see, i guess i never got that experience with it, never had 100+ stable FPS in like never

and given some games different implementation i guess, i never bother to turn motion blur on ever again

[umbral granite]

Thats why we use the r.MotionBlur.TargetFPS=0 command. By default UE targets 30FPS

so the motion blur just blurfest™ the whole screen

then you can set r.MotionBlur.Amount to something like 0.05 or 0.10

subtle but there

[stark topaz]

and now, way is a issue in wuwa if motion blur is not on the character ? will it look awful to not have it on the character too?

[umbral granite]

motion blurs bad rep is literally down to older games having terrible motion vectors or just slapping on the strenght to 10000%

no different to cranking sharpness

but CAS at low settings looks nice

and does its job

[stark topaz]

yeah, that's what I'm used to XD i play older games for a long time, only 1 year ago i got my 4070 Super while i was on my 1050 TI XD

so low FPS too

no way constant 100

or over

[umbral granite]

its equivalent to saying tonemapping is bad, should be disabled and never used alongside HDR rendering because Oblivion, Half life 2 and 2000s games completely clipped the f out of a scene

but now people have 'mostly' learnt how to tonemap well

and we have HDR output

[stark topaz]

i have no idea what that means, and is not like for Motion Blur i ever though of tasting it so dont blame me for not thiniking of the damn techincalities of motion blur in NEW games after getting used to Older games motion blur for years

XD

[umbral granite]

well dont take it too personally, different people have different preferences

thats all I can say

I typcially still disable CA where I can

only a few games uses it well

or in interesting ways

[stark topaz]

is not preference, it looked like ass for years, no way i will suddenly thing is worh it, cuz now that i know it can improve motion and not be a pain, i might consider it

that is all for me

:3

[frank heart]

if it looked like ass

then it means you were using a shit motion blur