RenoDX: Wuthering Waves

[frank heart]

you only get banned if you're a pussy

the anti cheat can smell your fear

[narrow pewter]

Ah ok

[peak geyser]

If they're gonna ban me for something that I do on MY computer, is client side and affects no one else. Then I don't want to play their shitty CCP game anyways.

[tough ember]

ReShade would be an absurd thing to ban for in a game where it can’t provide an advantage. I think anti cheat’s concern w.r.t ReShade with addons is PvP.

[subtle warren]

I'd rather ban than no HDR

lol

[tough ember]

I haven’t heard of anyone else experiencing that, make sure it happens when you have no other shaders, overlays, addons, etc that could be confounding

[tough ember]

Yeah it’s too good to go back

@stark topaz actually this, are you using smooth motion or frame generation?

[subtle warren]

i want smooth motion but still no way to make it work

[tough ember]

Is it that much better than FG 3.8.1?

[stark topaz]

It might had something to do with me switching to HDR True black and setting MAX brightness to 500, after a restart it doesn;t do that weird stuff

[tough ember]

Oh okay, sounds good then

[stark topaz]

I even got OBS to work XD just to capture it

[frank heart]

No

Smooth motion is just afmf 2.1 but on nvidia

No game data

At this point i dont know why ppl dont use LSFG

[tough ember]

I feel like it’s better to be implemented by the game than the driver

[frank heart]

Since it is actually lower latency

[tough ember]

That’s the worst

[frank heart]

If you're gonna go with a naive implementation like afmf 2.1/sm/lsfg

At least afmf2.1 has the benefit of lower latency vs lsfg

[stoic vortex]

Too bad the UI gets all garbled

[misty brook]

Whut

Is lsfg better 😭

[umbral granite]

LSFG doesnt flicker with Reno so yes

and doesnt have swapchain issues like Smooth Motion

[subtle warren]

MMH how do u implant LSFG?

along with reno?

[umbral granite]

You use it like you normally would for a game

You load into your game

alt tab to pull up LSFG menu

click scale

tab back into your game

after 5 seconds LSFG should generate the slops

and you can verify this using their Draw FPS

Make sure Capture API is set to DXGI and HDR support is toggled active

[subtle warren]

do i enable HDR support?

AH ok

@umbral granite it looks laggy do I have to reduce flow scale?

Mode fixed or adaptive?

[umbral granite]

Flow scale is what determines the quality

by reducing it, you reduce quality

LSFG already looks ass

I am not going to reduce quality further

fixed or adpative just determines the slop generation mode

fixed is 2x, 3x and so on

[nocturne lava]

Lsfg usually has a pretty severe performance hit for me and it has a ton of motion artifacts

[umbral granite]

adaptive is it will change to match your FPS target

[nocturne lava]

The adaptive frame pacing is pretty good though I will say

[frank heart]

on 4K you're supposed to use it with 50% flow scale

[umbral granite]

💀 cap

[frank heart]

1080p is where it was trained

[umbral granite]

50% looks bad

[nocturne lava]

Hmm I'll try that next time

[frank heart]

and thats about where it tops off

75% at 1440p

and so on

[nocturne lava]

But I already wasn't happy with how native looked 😦

[frank heart]

just make sure your base flow is always 1080~

or more

[umbral granite]

Do you have a stable pre FG framerate?

[nocturne lava]

Iirc my native frame rate dropped from like 120 to 60 when I tried it in s&f7

[umbral granite]

because LSFG has a perf cost

and if you're not running a locked down framerate its ogre

[frank heart]

thats what adaptive mode is for

[subtle warren]

No

[frank heart]

@subtle warren what res

and refresh rate

lock your pre-FG fps

[subtle warren]

6k dlss quality lol

[frank heart]

no

[umbral granite]

[frank heart]

i am asking

whats your screen refresh rate

[subtle warren]

144

[frank heart]

flow scale 25

LSFG 3.1

Adaptive

Target 138

Performance mode on

copy this

in game FPS limit to 60

or 69 fps

[subtle warren]

I managed to make it work nicely with 100 flow scale amd queue target 2 since I got unstable frame rate amd then wgc

@frank heart

[frank heart]

You dont need motion estimstion at 6K res

100 flow is pretty unecessary

But do what ever u want

[misty brook]

Meh I'm not a fan of it

Don't really like the way it works

[misty brook]

No adaptive sync?

Or vrr

[narrow pewter]

Are the standard preset settings fine?

[subtle warren]

LSFG sucks, I feel like smooth motion has less artifacts

And I'm at 6k res

[frank heart]

Use whatever you like bud

[frank heart]

Thats the setting you should use on VRR

[misty brook]

Que

Any reason for keeping vsync on?

[narrow pewter]

something on my end? thats the event wish screen.

[misty brook]

Shouldn't it be default or allow tearing 🤔

[misty brook]

It's aight

[frank heart]

Ensure no tearing, if you dont care then you can keep it at default

[tough ember]

that is definitely not what it looks like for other people

are you on dx12 or 11?

any reshade errors? what's your reshade version?

[narrow pewter]

DX12

[frank heart]

Update your reshade
Update your plugin
Dont use with other addons
Disable other reshade FX

[tough ember]

this is a good place to start

i want a bot that lets you type commands for potential troubleshooting stuff

[narrow pewter]

Reshade 6.5.1, no other addons used, only renodx. all Reshade FX are disabled. i only see some WARN entries.

[tough ember]

Can you send a screenshot of your RenoDX settings?

And does the rest of the game look normal?

[narrow pewter]

sry for the off looking picture, i found out Reshade makes a screenshot without its own menu, so its SDR. yes Game looks fine, only wish menu and Character screen are effected. i will look in the other menus, if the are fine.

[tough ember]

You are using an extremely old version

#1383049193186136216 message

Use either this one

Or https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/releases/download/snapshot/renodx-wutheringwaves.addon64

[narrow pewter]

ahhh, i downloaded the Unreal Engine Mod from Github.

[tough ember]

Ah okay, do we still have documentation that says to use the UE version for wuwa? I’d like to correct it if so

We used to use the UE version but it now has its own addon

[echo jackal]

yeah the faq pinned still says use UE version

[narrow pewter]

yes, Wuwa is still under the Unreal Engine category, without a snapshot build on the site.

[tough ember]

Ah you’re right @frank heart do you wanna correct the pin?

[echo jackal]

wiki needs updating too

[tough ember]

i'll do the wiki

[narrow pewter]

That helped, thank you Guys! now it looks all great.

It looks much better then before.

[tough ember]

super!

@frank heart i pointed directly to your pinned message on the wiki btw

[frank heart]

Sup

Ah ok

[tough ember]

yeah that pin can be the source of truth for instructions since the wiki doesn't have a place for it

[frank heart]

Updated the pin

[tough ember]

thanks brother

[frank heart]

found why my videos weren't getting processed in HDR

i forgot to check the pixel format

8-bit 💀

10-bit p010 works now

https://youtu.be/a0q1WxnlqBk

[autumn jetty]

I bet you know what's my issue is

haha

[tough ember]

Let’s goooooooo

I can’t actually watch those bc I still haven’t caught up :p

[frank heart]

nah reno is just straight up better this time

although

I might have gotten the wrong SDR shot

that one looks a bit too blown out even for SDR

just for kicks i also threw the SDR shot through autohdr

[tough ember]

AutoHDR is such a travesty compared to real HDR

[frank heart]

Probably still preferrable to just SDR when u dont have native hdr

[fallen tiger]

is there a final version of dx11 renodx addon?

[autumn jetty]

where is my highlight desaturation into white?

that string is pure pinkish red

[frank heart]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-endgame-gone-reduced-to-atoms-gif-26539274

if u like that u can probably get some of it back with

blowout restoration

set to 0

but I tried to play with that for a day or two

some things just look better when they have color

[autumn jetty]

SDR looks better than that auto hdr picture tho lol

[frank heart]

yeah that was BT.2446a

[autumn jetty]

ok well SDR looks wrong too

[frank heart]

other auto HDR method might do saturation better

[autumn jetty]

except when HDR destroys color gradient

like on this picture

[frank heart]

actually not

SDR is just like that

u can check any 2.5 cutscene video

on youtube

[tough ember]

Sorry, I haven’t patched any more shaders recently

[autumn jetty]

wrong gamma?

[frank heart]

no

u overestimate how this game looked in SDR

ehe

[autumn jetty]

yea maybe

lol

[frank heart]

just grabbed from another youchuber

[fallen tiger]

np

[autumn jetty]

lets's ask the expert tho @astral night should that pinkish red string desaturate into white in HDR like on the SDR picture? it's supposed to be "hotter" than the rest of the string

and we can't display 4-10k nits so it's should be whiteish on dimmer displays imo

[astral night]

is it a video or rendered?

[autumn jetty]

rendered

[frank heart]

real time cutscenes

[astral night]

technically red doesn't desaturate to white as you would think because it uses a pure cone to use visually

white is a cancelling affect from Red/Green opponent and Blue/Yellow opponent

even on RGB, like rgb(10,0,0) just clips to rgb(1,0,0)

[autumn jetty]

still if it's white in SDR then it should be brigther in HDR right?

compared to the pinkish part

[astral night]

are you looking at the discord "thumbnail" or the actualy fullsize image? (discord sdrifies)

[autumn jetty]

fullsize

I'm talking about this part

I imagine that this is like a neon light

[astral night]

it's probably white in the texture, because pure red wouldn't look like that

[autumn jetty]

or something similar

[astral night]

it'd look cursed

renodx has a blowout slider which makes things white though

[subtle warren]

Mine looks like this

[frank heart]

our only sdr source

[subtle warren]

In hdr

[frank heart]

is like

a youtube video though

so we dont have a clean sdr source

[subtle warren]

4000 nits

[autumn jetty]

like what?

[frank heart]

are you still playing in dci p3

🙂

[astral night]

red stays red when bright, mathematically speaking

[subtle warren]

Bright like that sdr but more detailed highlights

[subtle warren]

Bt2020 bro

[frank heart]

lol

[subtle warren]

[astral night]

but bright red isn't something sdr can convey, so they cheapen it to white at times, giving this pink effect

[frank heart]

that slider should be illegal

[autumn jetty]

yea, and blowout restoration, the only real solution is setting peak brightness to 10k, then using a tone mapping shader on top of reno to bring it back down to something like 800 in Wuwa though

it's cursed

but it works kinda

lol

[astral night]

clipped red looks different

like trash

so they probably coded white/pink

and aces rrt has some desat to it

sdr clipped red hurts

[autumn jetty]

yup

[astral night]

no detail on the panel on the right

so you have to find some other way to give detail (by reducing saturation, meaning pink/white)

[frank heart]

woes of a real time cutscene

somebody had some wacky settings and wrong gamma

[autumn jetty]

but remember those carrot things in starfield?

[frank heart]

light at the bottom is gone

eks dee

[autumn jetty]

the texture was red/orange but then it was turned to white, or well the middle part was almost white

[autumn jetty]

those filters...

[astral night]

the discussion of a global desaturation just speaks to a chrominance based blowout not being right (which is why i'm working on LMS). acesv2 does the same with a custom dechroma based on luminance. and i'm sure reds are going to go pink as well

[autumn jetty]

what about pink?

to less saturated pink?

so I guess there is no universal "correct" look

it depends on a lot of factors lol

[frank heart]

you can't have it with this game anyways

the reds are a little bit too hot for me with OKLab after tuning but if I switch to Ictcp violets/blues will look wrong instead 🙂

so I just settle with OKlab and have the reds slightly over cooked

[autumn jetty]

this was starfileld's raw artifact display

it was all white in-game

[frank heart]

starfield is just extra extra fucked

[autumn jetty]

nah this was not fucked

[frank heart]

for that wuwa pic I don't think the SDR version would be that blown out if they had HDR

[autumn jetty]

hue shifting was part of the art design

[autumn jetty]

yea maybe

[frank heart]

it's still pink

[autumn jetty]

but it should be a lot brighter pink at least

[frank heart]

well

thats also because im having it slightly darker than SDR

I was using these settings

#1383049193186136216 message

without the exposure at 1.1

with exposure at 1.1 for that scene the tone might be closer

[autumn jetty]

yea it's not bad

it's so hard to get skin right tho

especially in septimont for some reason

the sun is strogner/brighter there

it turns everything white lol

it's probably a different LUT or something

[tough ember]

yeah there's not any good reason for that red to be white in sdr. i don't think the artists would choose for it to look that way if they were to display their ideal version of the game in hdr, and i don't plan on making the defaults for the mod replicate technical failings.

[autumn jetty]

I mean, we don't know what that stuff Phrolova is using is. But if it's white in SDR then it should be very bright in HDR, and there should be a very visible difference between the pinkish part and the white part in HDR

[tough ember]

the hdr version is also brighter in the middle than the part to the left before it. the sdr version to me just looks like it blows out a lot sooner from the left. i mean it's almost white already before it even gets to the middle. sdr just looks like a similar brightness gradient but very blown out because that's what sdr does.

if i did discover how to replicate that in a way that doesn't just dump on hdr, i would at least implement it as an option.

[autumn jetty]

yea, I'm just trying to find logic behind the effect, like why is it white? Is it hotter? If it's hotter, then there should be at least visible discolorization wehre it's the hottest and ofc it should be brighter

[tough ember]

Right… I have the same questions lol. I wish I could know the intention 😭

I would like to know what we would get in that scene with saturation correction and blowout restoration at 0.

[echo jackal]

had a screenshot from when I did this the other day with blowout restoration at 0, saturation correction at default. Not quite the same frame so its not an exact match to the earlier screenshots

[frank heart]

repost for reference

damn you have a really high game brightness

yeah that looks like exactly why i dont like blowout restore at 0

[echo jackal]

think i had it at 203, gaming during the day

[frank heart]

makes sense

[echo jackal]

on another note haven't had any ray tracing crashes since the update which is great

[stoic vortex]

Can't say the same for amd users, getting close to a tacet field makes the game crash 😔

[autumn jetty]

A lot better tho, but 0 is probably too low, what about fire? We know how fire should look like. I mean fire with 0

[nocturne lava]

Oh shit I'll have to try rt again

[autumn jetty]

Don't give me hope

Can I finally say goodbye to the 572.83 driver?

[tough ember]

I see, thank you!

[narrow pewter]

Does FSR break HDR?

[frank heart]

yes

dont use fsr

[stoic vortex]

You can with optiscaler

Ingame one breaks it

[frank heart]

Yes

[narrow pewter]

Optiscaler also can cause Bans, right?

[frank heart]

#1383049193186136216 message

[narrow pewter]

Right

[frank heart]

@autumn jetty all your problems with skintones in septimont would be solved if you just accept to let things not blow out

or better yet use lower strength

[stoic vortex]

Doubt you'd ever be in danger unless you're flat out hacking

The game is way too pretty to not take advantage of hdr

[narrow pewter]

Absolutly yes.

[autumn jetty]

And go against my religion? Never!

[autumn jetty]

that butterfly being purple near the middle is hurting my eyes

[autumn jetty]

this looks ever worse, her skin is not supposed to be this raw looking pink

the SDR look is the artistic intend, and skin is not supposed to color shift so the SDR skin color is the correct skin color

[autumn jetty]

it also makes little sense for that butterfly to be purple in the middle from a character/art/effect design perspective, it looks out of place/wrong

this is the official artwork

her skin is pale white and the butterfly is blue/white

and no, artists are not limited by SDR if they wanted that to look purple then it would look purple in SDR

acting like HDR should reveal more colors is getting annoying sorry

it's fine if you like that look more, but it's definitely not correct

[frank heart]

but that's not the butterfly she actually uses

the one you see from this pic here is the on on ult

which stays the same

she can have different butterflies you know

also

her skin is not pale white in-game

it's slight pink

[autumn jetty]

very slight pink almost white

[autumn jetty]

I believe that's her idle pose butterfly

[autumn jetty]

like on the artwork actually

[frank heart]

the artwork is pretty much white

ingame is a lot pinker

[frank heart]

not the same outline if you look closely

[autumn jetty]

it's pinkish where it's not directly lit

another official artwork

with lots of butterflies

[frank heart]

not on the actual ult butterfly tho

[frank heart]

its not reveal more colors tho, having blowout restoration at a proper amount should let the saturation look more correct

[autumn jetty]

I don't disagree, but this #1383049193186136216 message is not correct lol

[frank heart]

i did put a soyjak meme in there

the one to pay attention to is the one i posted before duh

blowout res 0 is a travesty

[autumn jetty]

yea this one looks better except that butterfly

[frank heart]

nah it looks worse

somethings when brighter should be more saturated

[autumn jetty]

this one is alright

[frank heart]

not remain that desaturated

[autumn jetty]

skin is not suppsed to be bright

tho

but I guess skin is sometimes as bright as the sun in gacha games lol

or anime style games

[frank heart]

idk why u think thats alright though

[autumn jetty]

it all depends on the artistic intend especially when we are talking about anime style games where real life physics does not really apply

[frank heart]

it looks wrong

kinda like when u apply autoHDR without any additional saturation boost

[autumn jetty]

i would actually rise the saturation a little

[frank heart]

and u would screw up the rest of the image

[autumn jetty]

but just a little

[frank heart]

because the wrong saturation is only on the highlight saturated part

just add back blowout correction

[autumn jetty]

I mean rising highlight saturation / lowering blowout

[autumn jetty]

I never really understood saturation boost especially in anime style games

it's not like auto HDR at all, because you get proper highlights

saturation/color boost was one of the most cursed feature of SK HDR until Kal made it optional

[frank heart]

yeah that would affect other ppparts of the image

[frank heart]

kal saturation boost is actually nice if dialed back a bit

[autumn jetty]

0-10% maybe yea

[frank heart]

but you need saturation boost

[autumn jetty]

it used to be fixed 100% lol

[frank heart]

because if you just raise luminance

without raising saturation

it doesn't look correct

[autumn jetty]

but you don't have to rise it that much

[frank heart]

you neeeed at leasdt 50+ blowout restore for this game

if you;'re using strength 100

[autumn jetty]

and it depends on the light casting source too

[frank heart]

or else like this the neons dont look correct

if you try to fix it by raising highlight saturation then it will affect changli and she becomes too saturated

blowout restore is the goat

[autumn jetty]

it looks like 95% correct

it needs that 5%

[frank heart]

doesnt look correct at all to me unfortunately

[autumn jetty]

it's actually whiter than in SDR

[frank heart]

too desaturated

u can sortof know what i mean

when u raise the brightness in SDr

from 120 to 300 nits

the color tone thats expected remain the same

u just raised the brightness up

but when u put that in HDR sure it's brighter, but it's not the right tone at all, too blown out

[autumn jetty]

I know what you mean, but I can't really accept it as the correct look especially when we are talking about an SDR anime style game with no offical HDR support

[frank heart]

it's supposed to be at least as saturated as SDR

i'll show what you mean

with sdr 120

300

and then HDR with blowout restore at 0

[autumn jetty]

I mean that we can't just start drastically changing highlight saturation saying that "yea this is what the artist wanted for sure"

[frank heart]

u can see the move from 120 to 300

this is still in SDR

obviously it's neon blue tones in the middle of her weapon

but the color is gone without blowout restore

but the dress remains mostly at a correct tone

so if you raise sat or highlight sat u hurt the dress

[autumn jetty]

yea I know what you mean

and the weapon looks wrong on the HDR pic

it needs a little blowout restoration

[frank heart]

it needs a lot

[autumn jetty]

not a lot

[frank heart]

nah

a lot

[autumn jetty]

this is way too much

this actually looks wrong from an artistic perspective not just HDR or SDR

[frank heart]

but the color itself

is already in the SDR image

u can check the 300

well

or any brightness level

[autumn jetty]

it not the same

[frank heart]

lol

okay

one sec

i'll record a vid

[autumn jetty]

post this pic but with 30% less blowout restoration

compared to the current value

aka if it was 50 then lower it to 35

[autumn jetty]

I mean that it does not complement her outfit at all, it looks out of place

[frank heart]

look closely at her weapon and tell me you dont see the neon blue that's lost even at blowout restore 30

[autumn jetty]

lost comapred to what sdr?

[frank heart]

yes

pay close attention to that part

its such a neon blue even in SDR

and it turns whiter

without enough blowout restore

[autumn jetty]

it hue shifts too btw it's not just the highlights that are brighter compared to SDR

[autumn jetty]

it actually hue shifts into another color

hmm that's the main issue apparently

[frank heart]

nah

with blowout res 50 its about right

u could have some wiggle room

depending on taste

[autumn jetty]

it's a different shade of blue / purple

this is such bad weapon to test btw

that constant moving

and color changing

[frank heart]

u can see the consistent neon blue tho

[autumn jetty]

only the middle part is consistent

that rotating orb thing

I focus on that

the cyan color almost dissapears in HDR

[frank heart]

focus on the particle thats emitting out

[autumn jetty]

the edge blue gets deeper blue in HDR too

[frank heart]

its a neon blue that only looks about right if u how blow at 50

give or take

[autumn jetty]

but at 50 blowout restoration the weapon looks very out of place

[frank heart]

all of SK's particles are the same color with the weapon

so its really not lol

her ult star realm is also of a similar color

[autumn jetty]

if you test scorekeeper in SDR, then the VFXs complement her outfit

[frank heart]

her VFX in SDR always had neon colors though....

that color palette was always a part of her

[autumn jetty]

yes but if you only "fix" the VFX colors in HDR without rising the outfit saturation it is going to look wrong

[frank heart]

thats really going into subjective territory

[autumn jetty]

it's design philosophy

[frank heart]

if you're gonna say that than shorekeepers VFX

shoudnt have any

[autumn jetty]

and it's not subjective imo

[frank heart]

neon colors at all

strongly saturated neon blues were always part of her palette

[autumn jetty]

if you look at this image

it looks good, her outfit and the VFX colors are perfectly matched

[autumn jetty]

I'm the guy who spends 100+ hours customizing/designing characters matching outfit color, hues, etc. I understand the design decisions behind characters, well I studied this actually lol

[autumn jetty]

see her outfit is more saturated here

even her skin

[frank heart]

thats pink buddy

[autumn jetty]

What I'm trying to say is that you can't change one aspect of a character

[autumn jetty]

here the effects, her skin, the outfit are desaturated

[autumn jetty]

everything is more saturated here

[frank heart]

its the same clip

either way the tone on her weapon is literally more accurate to the SDR version

[autumn jetty]

change of perspective or one is gameplay the other is prerendered

[frank heart]

if you wanna follow down that route

[frank heart]

both are gameplay lol

https://youtu.be/FQEyNpQnK60?si=FpVNMKF3pGoj4T3u

[autumn jetty]

then it's just the lighting/perspective

[frank heart]

but u can look at the wep again

we're probably hitting a wall though

maybe agree to disagree lul

[autumn jetty]

like here, you would turn those whiteish flashes into pure blue, which is definitely not the artistic intend

keeping them pure white is not good either ofc

[autumn jetty]

yea

I approach the issue from more of a designer perspective

oh this is a perfect shot

everything matches

I'm always impressed how good the designers are at Kuro

like those purple electric charges

that saturation is perfect

[frank heart]

they'll turn bad with low blowout sat though

[autumn jetty]

rising it more would look weird

[autumn jetty]

yea actually

there is no perfect solution with reno

[frank heart]

there is a closer solution

and thats high blowout restore

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-patrick-fight-spongebob-fight-gif-17721615

[autumn jetty]

xD

I will never go against the design principles

[frank heart]

its closer as long as you agree to let some things look a bit overcooked

[autumn jetty]

I can't haha

[tough ember]

i'm no longer attached to the sdr blowout

i take the render, i apply their color grading to it, and i let it be hdr

in as pure a form as possible

[autumn jetty]

the dark side is strong with this one

[autumn jetty]

30 is kinda low I agree

[stoic vortex]

if it looks good enough, I take it

[autumn jetty]

and the effects are way too bright tbh

but we can't do much about that one

[frank heart]

on another note

[autumn jetty]

or paper white is too low

[frank heart]

yeah I play with low paper white

[autumn jetty]

it would look better with ~140 PW

140-150

[frank heart]

yeah thats gonna be unplayable for me, too bright

this is actually even too bright for me cause i was making a "match sdr" preset

speaking of which

[autumn jetty]

This is actual personal preference territory the PW value

[frank heart]

minimal to no tone change on the non-HDR parts of the image

[autumn jetty]

the blue skirt hue shifts

cyan to light blue

semi-cyan

skin is shifting too

[frank heart]

cause its actually brighter

if you stare at a part with only SDR values

it should look very little different

[autumn jetty]

it's fabric, but I understand

[frank heart]

a bit more saturation but it's needed to make the outdoors look correct

pretty much a match otherwise

[autumn jetty]

the biggest issue is the game engine tbh

the character model is excluded from lot of the lighting calculations

which makes sense it's an anime game

[frank heart]

no motion blur calculations either

[autumn jetty]

but the characters can reach highlight brightness even in dark areas which is nuts

[frank heart]

you can fix that by using a stronger hue shift value

but that causes other issues

so this is as close as can be without going me blowing up something else

[autumn jetty]

it's funny because those flowers look correct in HDR and what you said about colors perfectly applies here, but characters are weird

[frank heart]

unless we get a better hue processor that can go aggressive without causing glaring errors

[tough ember]

100%

[autumn jetty]

yea OKLab is not the greatest, what was that other option, can't remember lol, dark something

that was nice, but it has unresolved issues

[peak geyser]

This the same preset you've been using for a while?

Nm. It's different.

Is that like the best settings you've found for strength 100?

[frank heart]

Yeah probably about it for strength 100

If u want it to be slightly darker u can turn exposure down to 1.0

[peak geyser]

Think I might like this one the best.
Skin overall looks more accurate to me. Ciaccona and Brant looked a bit too tan imo.

[frank heart]

since it's strength 100 you can tune skin by just dialing back a bit on blowout restoration

doesnt have an effect on skin at strength 50 but does on 100

[cosmic hearth]

Hello, everyone
What should I do?
Take a screenshot of native HDR and save it
Can only JXR format be used?

[umbral granite]

Reshade can take HDR .pngs

And since Reno needs reshade

You already have that option

Gamebar capture will only take .jxr which you'll need to convert into another format like HDR .PNG using SKIV to be able to embed into discord

To be aware that the default windows image viewer can't properly display HDR .pngs

They'll look wrong if you're viewing them there. If you load up the HDR .png into SKIV it'll look correct, Discord can also properly embed them

[autumn jetty]

@frank heart

this is what I consider good HDR conversion in terms of color

I mean the weapon

ignore the vanilla contrast etc

this does not change the artistic intend

but still more "colorful" in HDR

no color shifting either

[cosmic hearth]

Thank you

[autumn jetty]

I'm trying to achieve the look I want in-game, without abusing the sliders, I don't think that we can avoid color shifting though, but it's close enough

this #1383049193186136216 message is not possible btw without breaking other stuff unfortunately

[stiff oak]

If you want the original exposure effect
you need to set the game brightness very high
but this also causes severe oversaturation.

[autumn jetty]

what do you mean?

The bloom around highlights in SDR?

I'm talking about the colors

[stiff oak]

Colors are indeed difficult to adjust
the grass on the new map is likely where the difference is most pronounced

[frank heart]

@peak geyser testing some slight tweaks to my str 50 preset

should bring down the slightly overcooked colors sometimes while still keeping the strength 50 benefits

[peak geyser]

Cool. I'll have to try it Sunday. am heading our for the weekend.

[solar path]

stupid question incoming : Since this preset uses Kuro's tonemapping, does the r.Kurotonemapping=0 variable in my engine.ini need to be deleted ? Or does RenoDx reapply it on its own and I should keep it to avoid interferences ?

[narrow pewter]

Thats a good Question, i did the same thing because it was stated in the Mod Page, probably not needed anymore.

[tough ember]

It replaces the usage of that engine variable with the one set by RenoDX - so no need to set it to anything.

You’re good in either case

[solar path]

Thanks !

[tough ember]

No problem

[subtle warren]

@tough ember phrolova's ult seems to be clamping are you aware of this already?

Or should I enable something on the settings ?

[tough ember]

Hmm I thought I’d fixed that, remind me if you play on DX11 or 12 though?

I know I still have some 11 shaders to patch

[subtle warren]

Dx12

[tough ember]

you're using #1383049193186136216 message right?

[subtle warren]

Yes

[tough ember]

ok, i'll look today. @frank heart had you not given me that shader? i thought we'd gotten everything for dx12

[subtle warren]

Ok thanks

[tough ember]

yeah that was my bad

i had forgotten to download the ones he gave me a bit ago

[frank heart]

Already given u

[frank heart]

I already removed the line about kurotonemapping from the pins....

[tough ember]

you rizzight

[subtle warren]

I also noticed changli's final blows clamp in the new area

[fallen tiger]

hi for some reason when i put peak brightness at 1000 the game peaked 2000 with hdr analysis is there a fix for it ?

[echo jackal]

cantarella ult is still clamped

phrolova is only half fixed, the sad version of liberation is still clamped, smiling version is fixed

[tough ember]

ok, i'll have to grab that. would anyone be able to get me the cantarella ult?

[tough ember]

i'm not sure what else you have active, but the peak brightness is likely not bugged

[tough ember]

thanks. new area specifically and not outside of it?

[echo jackal]

#1383049193186136216 message

[fallen tiger]

this is what i have

[autumn jetty]

wow you like using shaders 😄

how does the game look?

[fallen tiger]

i think it looks better than nvidia filter

real pretty

[autumn jetty]

show us a few pictures at least I'm actually curious

[subtle warren]

Exactly

[fallen tiger]

the game doesnt capture it with the renodx enable it just make the game bright af

[tough ember]

i've supposedly patched this one 🤔 though i just noticed it does something slightly differently than the other black and white shaders that i might need to update.

[autumn jetty]

reshade should be able to take HDR screenshots

[echo jackal]

actually i might be wrong, i think phrolova ult is location based

i just saw the smiling one clamp in the new area

[fallen tiger]

let me check

[tough ember]

impossible to know the effect of those, but load order of shaders matters. put hdr analysis at the top so it doesn't measure their effect.

[autumn jetty]

printscreen is the default hotkey and it saves the images next to the game exe

[fallen tiger]

ok give me a sec

[fallen tiger]

it work i was dum

it doesnt capture any color

nvm

lmao

[frank heart]

Leave it alone

Its not worth it

Every shader is repeated

Well

Depends on how easy it is for wino to patch

[tough ember]

i'm assuming the sad one clamped in that new area too?

[frank heart]

But its about 10+ output shader repeated

[echo jackal]

yeah sad one clamped there too

[tough ember]

if i can get them i can try

[frank heart]

Ill give it to u later

[tough ember]

ok, i'll need some help for getting this and other new area ones

[frank heart]

Everything is clamped in the new area

All the output shader is repeated

🙂

[echo jackal]

thing is its not everywhere in the new area which makes it worse

[tough ember]

why they gotta do it like this 😔

[frank heart]

I alrdy know where 2 capture

[echo jackal]

for sure i know the 36 nightmare echo spawn area is clamped

[frank heart]

10 output shader for dx12
Double that for the new area
Now double that for dx11

Thats 40 output shaders for this patch alone (so far)

[tough ember]

pure evil

[fallen tiger]

mabye they are preparing for ue5 port

[tough ember]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

they're onto us

[autumn jetty]

omg xD

It's kinda my fault that I asked

Please use the spoiler tag if you use gooner mods lol

[echo jackal]

still clamped

[autumn jetty]

the image quality/shader preset looks nothing like the vanilla game for sure, it's very very oversharpened tho

use optiscaler isntead of that adaptive sharpen shader

[tough ember]

okay, kind of wondering if the shader is somehow not that one then.

if anyone could confirm if i'm 🧢ping with the devkit though that'd be good

[subtle warren]

Okay lmk what u need

[tough ember]

if you haven't used the devkit, there'll be a small learning curve, but ultimately comes down to the output shader that is clamping and the lutbuilder it samples.

[subtle warren]

What what and what?

😭

Lol

[fallen tiger]

i think it looks fine because i use lossless scaling so it kinda fixed it for me

[tough ember]

lol it's ok, but if you do wanna help me get the shaders then you'll need https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/releases/download/snapshot/renodx-devkit.addon64

just let me know when you're playing next and willing to have me tell you a few steps to do

[subtle warren]

Okay give me 5 minutes

[tough ember]

when you've done it once, it's easy to get me any shader to patch. and more people who know how to get me shaders in this game that has so many will be 👌

[tough ember]

no hurry at all, i'm gonna be afk for a bit anyway

[autumn jetty]

I mean you do you, but why lossless scaling?

[fallen tiger]

mod only works with dx11

[autumn jetty]

sacrificing real FG support for those mods? 😅

[fallen tiger]

i have a 5080 with a rx 6900 xt dedicated for lossless scaling

im playing in 4k on average im getting 100 withx3 frame gen getting 300 ish

[autumn jetty]

but the picture quality is not great with lossless scaling, you can't fix that with a dedicated GPU :/

[frank heart]

Oh yeah dual gpu LS

[fallen tiger]

thjats because u have latency wiuth a single gpu

[frank heart]

At that high native framerate i doubt its that behind

[fallen tiger]

with duo it doesnt

[frank heart]

Probably close

100 native and x3

[autumn jetty]

i mean looks at the picture quality of the screenshot

it's already super sharp

[frank heart]

Thats him using

Gooner mods and rando mods

[fallen tiger]

thats because it wasnt capturing the lossless scaling

[autumn jetty]

yea maybe

[frank heart]

DualGPU LS is actually lower latency than native frame gen btw

[autumn jetty]

I mean the artifacts not the latency

[frank heart]

artifacts wise 100 base is already pretty good but yea

[autumn jetty]

it's probably not that horrible at 100 fps yea

but I doubt that it can handle temporal/volumetric effects that well

[frank heart]

Arguably better than FSR3FG since it cant handle particles well

Its actually really good

For a naive solution

[frank heart]

lmao ur better off giving me your exact map location

[autumn jetty]

how is it compared to smooth motion?

[frank heart]

Probably a wash, smooth motion might have better performance, but quality wise its a wash

I just use LS because you dont have to deal with SM compatibility issues

It just works

[autumn jetty]

I don't even use Nvidia FG

haha

I find even the smallest artifacts annyoing

[frank heart]

Transformer FG if it worked id use over LS

SK Pace native + transformer FG is real smooth and low latency

[autumn jetty]

it is yea

but transformer FG is worse when it comes to artifacts

[frank heart]

Old FG is best

But

On wuwa

I gain 5% perf by turning on FG

[autumn jetty]

even transformer DLSS looks bad in Wuwa

[frank heart]

Which means its too heavy if u already gpu limited

Like from 90fps native to 95fps with 3.8.1 FG

Which means my native dropped to like 47

[autumn jetty]

FG is really cool if your display can do 180hz+

[frank heart]

Lossless is pretty good for that

[autumn jetty]

~90 base fps and 2xFG is nice

all I know is that lossless scaling looks really bad when the base fps is 55-60

but I will retest it again, maybe the new version is better

[subtle warren]

Ah alright

[subtle warren]

What for?

[stoic vortex]

so he can go and assault you

it's so he can get the shaders for wino

[fallen tiger]

does this one work with dx11?

[tough ember]

both that one and the pinned one have all of the new dx11 shaders that i'm aware of

[fallen tiger]

ok ty

[subtle warren]

Dw dw I will get them shaders

[subtle warren]

Not in my case tbh

[frank heart]

aight

i have some free time

Changli's E (match w 0xCB3D001F)

Changli's E end of combo, Carte E (match w 0x138FB7D5)

Sanhua's ult, black and white invert (match w 0xBC7B2BC5)

Phrolova's ultimate (match w 0xBB968DAF)

The second phrolova shader is basically very difficult to capture so im gonna skip that

Luckily enough, cantarella's shader is not repeated, so we can skip that

@tough ember should cover the new area with these, others are not repeated or not worth capturing

[tough ember]

Thank you 😭 the devkit GOAT

I will patch tomorrow

[autumn jetty]

I see more ghosting and artifacts, especially in darker locations

[zinc steppe]

Is RT still broken?

[cosmic hearth]

NO

[stoic vortex]

Just noticed a lot of clamping in arsinosa's arena, using lupa and phro

[tough ember]

Yeah it seems they decided they need a new shader for every combination of area and resonator lol

I’m gonna patch what spiwar gave me and then catch up on the story myself this week to start getting some myself too

[stoic vortex]

not sure if the resonators are causing it, just seemed like info I should also give

i didnt try with others

[tough ember]

All good, I was exaggerating but several ppl have reported some new area/resonator/ult specific clamping

[tough ember]

• patched more DX12 shaders

[subtle warren]

Thank you

[stark topaz]

can i have your wuwa RenoDX settings ? :3

[pastel pond]

niceee

[autumn jetty]

Sure, this is what I use atm:

[stark topaz]

Thanks

[autumn jetty]

it's very close to vanilla

[frank heart]

These uneven numbers are gonna kill me

[autumn jetty]

is it just me or HDR pngs opened in discord are darker

Something is not right

no issues if I open the images in SKIV

[frank heart]

Open in chrome

[peak geyser]

@frank heart I actually like this one but with Shadows @ 50 and Strength at 90 oddly enough.

[frank heart]

Interesting

[peak geyser]

I don't have a colour grading eye. So I don't vouch for any "objective accuracy" of the preset. May just be my subjective opinion. (I also use WOLED which is a factor)

[cosmic hearth]

[autumn jetty]

the contrast is strong with this one haha

[autumn jetty]

this is my less than 100 granding strength preset:

quite similar to Chaos's but less contrasty

contrast depends on the location and the LUT a lot tho

[tough ember]

Their vignette is pretty intense sometimes and can make me want to lower my contrast or raise shadows

[autumn jetty]

yea especially in septimont

[misty brook]

Is the bloom slider broken?

Doesn't seem to be working anymore

[autumn jetty]

it works for me

[misty brook]

After a update it appears to be working again

[outer jackal]

renodx not working not sure why

off and preset both looks same

adjust the settings does not change anything

[autumn jetty]

how are you injecting reshade?

[outer jackal]

dxgi i guess?

[autumn jetty]

are you sure, the game shouldn't even start with dxgi.dll

use d3d12.dll

[outer jackal]

oh.. tru xxmi launcher

[autumn jetty]

oh that mod launcher?

[outer jackal]

yep, let me try with d3d12! ty!

[autumn jetty]

well use d3d11 then

since mods are not supported in dx12 mode

[outer jackal]

oh make sense, i just try d3d12 its works tho.. weird

let me change to 11

[autumn jetty]

hmm maybe the game is injecting d3d12 anyways

even if you are using DX11

[frank heart]

D3d11 needed for dx11

Else wont inject

[fallen tiger]

it works for me though I'm using dx11 it injected d3d12

[stark topaz]

hm, and what will that mean?

@frank heart also what are you using now in wuwa? (i forgot to save the settings you told me last time)

[frank heart]

#1383049193186136216 message

[stark topaz]

Thanks :3

[autumn jetty]

that it looks close to the vanilla SDR game but with better highlights, but i'm constantly changing the preset Kuro loves drastically changing the LUTs

newer areas are a lot more constrasty compared to the older regions

[stark topaz]

oho i see

interesting idea, i was thinking that with HDR some colors will change and what not

seeing the settings and all of that

[autumn jetty]

only the highlight colors a little

the "Death Stranding" tonemapper handles hue shift a lot better

colors start to act weirdly with Kuro tonemapper if you use higher Blowout restoration and hue shift value

I mean like 50/50

28/50 is fineish or 50/20

[autumn jetty]

or maybe not ugh it also depends on the location 😩

[frank heart]

Accept reality

[solar path]

Does that mean you got a "Death Stranding" preset in the works ?

[autumn jetty]

No it’s just called the “Death Stranding” tonemapper in Wuwa lol

[solar path]

Yes I know. But since you mentioned it, I thought you might have had a preset to share, in the same way other presets have been posted here using kuro tonemapping.

[autumn jetty]

Oh, but nope :D, I don't want to replay DS1 on PC haha

[stoic vortex]

i think he just means a preset using that specific tonemapper

[solar path]

Fair enough 😂

[autumn jetty]

the new 580.88 Nvidia driver seems to work fine

no RT related crashes

[nocturne lava]

Same here

[autumn jetty]

after days of testing I'm back to this:
Vanilla/Vanilla+

nothing drastic and it works at all locations

[frank heart]

impressive very nice

[tough ember]

Back? Did you end up looping around?

[peak geyser]

Very nice. ^^
What Strength setting?

[autumn jetty]

Oh yea it was a “journey” lol, I tested all tonemappers with different settings at like 20 different locations

[autumn jetty]

Thanks, 100 haha

[subtle warren]

Do you mind sharing the settings?

[tough ember]

Oooooh man 😭 well if you want me to set anything you’ve got as a preset button I can. Same goes for you @frank heart

[autumn jetty]

Nothing crazy. Keep "Game Brightness" at 203 and use the "Exposure" slider to change the overall brightness.
Believe me, I tested a lot of different game brightness and exposure combinations. Lower game brightness and higher exposure settings, like 170/1.20, can look super good (the rised midtones can look weird at times tho) in darker locations or at night, but bright daytime requires 203 paper white to look good.

I'm using a WOLED OLED panel tho, so my paperwhite issue might not apply to you haha

The UI brightness should roughly match the paperwhite value, and most of texts and icons are around 200 nits bright with 250 nits UI brightness

[autumn jetty]

Day/Night

[autumn jetty]

If people like it, then we could use my preset as the "Vanilla+" option yea 🙂

[frank heart]

#1383049193186136216 message

U can probably use this as a preset

[tough ember]

Cool, thanks both. I just want somewhere for ppl new to the mod to start. What do you want to call yours?

[frank heart]

If @autumn jetty already took vanilla+ then imma call mine HDR+ or something

[autumn jetty]

But you hate uneven numbers! 75 Highlight 45 shadows 55 contrast = 70 highlight 50 shadows 60 contrast

[autumn jetty]

Or Filmic/Enhanced ?

[frank heart]

Yeah that works too

[frank heart]

They divide by 5 so they get a pass

[stark topaz]

oh we gonna get a new ver with presets >.>

[tough ember]

Yes, but mostly aimed at new people I guess since everyone using it so far has probably figured out what they like

[peak geyser]

This is a pretty banger preset. Only thing I did was juice Contrast from 50 -> 60. Felt like there was a bit of a white haze at 50. (But I think the game naturally has that so it is probably SDR accurate)

Update: Might make contrast 55 instead. Some things might be a little dark. Am undecided.

[frank heart]

Go juicy

[subtle warren]

I tried it and I don't think I like it very much

I like the blowout at 0 and strenght 50

I don't think I found a difference between exposure and game brightness, what's the difference tecnically?

[autumn jetty]

thats fine, I wanted to make a vanilla like preset that works at all locations with str 100

I might come up with a more filmic str 50 preset too, but I have to test that more

[stark topaz]

What settings do i need to look out for if i use this on QD-OLED ?

[autumn jetty]

if you match the highlights then exposure rises midtones

[autumn jetty]

I’m not familiar with QD-OLED panels, but colors should be brighter and less desaturated, lowering brightness should not change the color saturation either

[stark topaz]

So i can just copy the settings and keep my game brightness an UI brightness as i usually do ?

[autumn jetty]

probably yea

[subtle warren]

Ah, What do you mean?

[autumn jetty]

daytime will still look too dark if you lower the game brightness a lot tho

[stark topaz]

I will try 180

Or just your settings XD

I wanna see how bright it can get

[autumn jetty]

If you want to achieve 203 game brightess level of brightness with exposure then it wont match, midtones will be rised, and you can’t tune it out the difference. This affects skin brightness and wall brightness the most and skin can kinda glow in direct sunlight

Lowering grading strength changes everything tho so I don’t think that it applies to you

[subtle warren]

beautiful

[subtle warren]

Yea it looks pretty much the same to me, but I think using exposure is better due to higher brightness and no clipping

[stark topaz]

Mother in Christ is soooo bright!

When i open the video i didn;t though it was that bright XD also 500 mb for 12 seconds is nuts

[subtle warren]

Must be the high bitrate and res XD

[stark topaz]

oh yeah XD i was blinded so i didn’t had time to look at the res of the video,

[autumn jetty]

rofl that's bright

I love and hate that Jinhsi outfit, I love the design, but I hate that her hair is a flower for some reason

[subtle warren]

Qd oled tv lol

[subtle warren]

I think that's good, it's a nice touch that flower head

[autumn jetty]

But flowers were never part of her design, idk I think it looks out of place 😄

[subtle warren]

I personally think they fit jinhsi personality, besides it's an additional skin for her, it's okay to come up with different styles

[nocturne lava]

Yeah I think it looks nice and the outfit has its own theme which is kinda cool

[autumn jetty]

It's really nice for a premium skin, I'm just not a huge fan of it personally

[misty brook]

Isn't that how in game hdr works too? Or they use a different preset to spice things up 🤔

If a game natively supports it

[autumn jetty]

Yes good in-game hdr doesn’t skip the color grading, and it does not look drastically different from SDR. Black level, contrast and the overall saturation should not change with HDR

But you can usually control stuff with sliders in the HDR calibration settings

which are almost always broken tho haha

[frank heart]

PSA
There'a potential 5-9% perf reudction when using SK with RenoDX in this game, so keep that in mind if you're using both

good catch @subtle warren

coincidentally there's a new FPS limiter addon by shortfuse now so you guys can try that

[autumn jetty]

it depends on how you hook it

just don't load reshade as an SK plugin and there is no performance penalty then

[frank heart]

the penalty is worse

if you hook it as an SK plugin

[autumn jetty]

I just tested it

0% difference

[frank heart]

weird

[autumn jetty]

with or without SK

[frank heart]

I get a 5% difference

with the d3d12 method

between just d3d12 dll in game

and d3d12 + SK

do you have the fps unlocked?

[autumn jetty]

nope

I monitor GPu usage

[frank heart]

you can test in the main menu before logging in

[dull flame]

loading reshade with sk always gives me worse perf

[frank heart]

main menu is FPS unlocked

and the environment never changes so

[autumn jetty]

I tested it in game at non changing locations like the new phrolova area entrance

[frank heart]

just try it

and get back

D3D12 only

[autumn jetty]

the main menu might not be the best location to test tho

[frank heart]

D3D12 + SK

[autumn jetty]

stuff like optiscaler are not active in the main menu, DLSS can act strange too

[frank heart]

actually optiscaler and DLSS are active

in the main menu

but I'm not using optiscaler for this comparison

[dull flame]

you can inject optiscaler to this game ?

[autumn jetty]

yea i use it

[frank heart]

on AMD, rename to winmm.dll and put in Win64 folder
on NVIDIA, rename to d3d12.dll and put in Win64 folder

NVIDIA doesn't accept winmm.dll for some reason

with SK, inject as lazy plugin

[dull flame]

steam version ?

[frank heart]

yeah

[autumn jetty]

unlocking the fps is a pain in the ass lol

[dull flame]

i was not playing the steam version

[frank heart]

well, any version is the same

[dull flame]

i dont actually play this game

[frank heart]

they're all the same epic/steam/kuro launcher

just put the files in the win64 folder

[narrow pewter]

Crazy Plotwist

[frank heart]

i dont think polly plays degenerate gooner games

[narrow pewter]

Fair

[dull flame]

i played for like a week and never played it again

[dull flame]

actually i do play zzz

[frank heart]

shocker

!

[dull flame]

only do some dailyslop now

[narrow pewter]

Welcome in the Club

[dull flame]

actually i may play more of these games than you guys

but zzz is the only game that i didnt give up

[autumn jetty]

so yea menu difference is about 5-6% ingame difference is about 1%

I don't think that it matters tbh

but SK is not really needed for the game except if you want to use the SK's window manager

which is super useful if you like using 21:9 resolution on a 16:9 screen

[dull flame]

do you guys know that wuwa received a lot of criticism‌ in china when it launched

due to one of the character design

[autumn jetty]

the Chinese fanbase is crazy

of every gacha game tbh

[dull flame]

i need to google what is that character called lol

[autumn jetty]

the only gacha I play is Wuwa, I tried a few more, but I dropped them fast, ZZZ too

[dull flame]

this

[autumn jetty]

People hate lingyang because of the 50/50 drop rate meme

and because he is a near useless 5 star

lol

[dull flame]

that not the real reason

this character is for female players in china

and male players hate it

[autumn jetty]

the male to female playerbase ratio is like 50/50 in china

[dull flame]

it is not even close to 50/50 in wuwa though

really depends on which game

[autumn jetty]

and Chinese players also hate wuwa for not releasing more male characters

[dull flame]

ya

[echo jackal]

pretty much no difference for me either

[dull flame]

kuro made him useless because of the reason i said

[autumn jetty]

it's just an early 5 star char

[dull flame]

it was almost a big failure at launch

nah i know that

[autumn jetty]

the other early non premium 5 star characters are just as bad

[frank heart]

I'll double check

[dull flame]

but he was supposed to be a good 5 star

[echo jackal]

sk vs reshade d3d12 only, clock speed and gpu usage practically identical, 197 vs 199 fps

[dull flame]

zzz was also also criticized a lot at launch due to furry characters

[frank heart]

98-103fps with SK

[autumn jetty]

devs will listen to the whales, and whales are the weirdest gooners