RenoDX: Wuthering Waves

[echo jackal]

i think its faked, bloom maxed does nothing

nvm its real but they fked something up, these are 'ray traced shadows' casted from ceiling lights but should be really soft

[frank heart]

Its in indoor places

Happens a lot

[frank heart]

Ray traced shadows is broken

Dont use

Theres no real soft shadows lol

Any soft shadows u see

R just shadow maps

[echo jackal]

rt shadows on/off

[frank heart]

Its just the graphics division jank

Sun/moon shsdows used to be RT shadows

Now its shadow maps

[echo jackal]

rip

[frank heart]

I mean itis fine

Before the official implementation

RT shadows would have weird artifacts

When force enable

For official they decide to only use RT shadows for very few light sources

And normal shadow maps for the rest

[echo jackal]

yeah barely any lights are real shadow casting

[frank heart]

And both unofficial /official doesnt have variable penumbra

So any RT shadows casted

Is extreme sharp

So even blurry shadow maps is preferrable

U can try at the big lamp

Near the magerita cooking girl in rinascita

Its a useless setting

[echo jackal]

yeah the razor sharp shadows are really off putting

rt reflections were broken earlier in the story too, reflecting things that weren't even in the scene

so the hybrid ssr reflections wouldn't match at all

[frank heart]

If theyre not gonna optimize

Just add path tracig

:icant:

At least the game will be futureproof for 6090 and 7090

[frank heart]

Maybe they just treat it like nodes in resolve except every node is random bullshit go

[stiff oak]

Is it related to the r.Color.Max command?

[stiff oak]

The red saturation in P3 is indeed too high, and the issue of skin redness is likely to persist.
In other games, I have experimented with Adobe RGB/P3:

• P3 not only causes excessive red in skin tones but also makes dusk scenes appear overly red (visually unacceptable)
• Adobe RGB performs acceptably, but considering that over 80% of HDR displays support BT.2020,implementing a BT.2020 + RGB slider solution to limit saturation would be superior
• BT.2020’s blue saturation is also higher than Adobe RGB

[stiff oak]

I’ve been missing everyone’s active time slot every day and can’t supplement test screenshots.
So sad

[frank heart]

@echo jackal wait bro

u played further into the quest

and you didn't see the clipping in the cutscene?

managed to grab a shot

but I have to keep turning the game on and off again

since we can't replay cutscenes

@tough ember

this one's clamping to UI nits

but we already patched this lolwat

makes sense then

yeah the cutscenes are clamping with that

[stiff oak]

I am using the saturation slider adjustment
but it cannot solve the problem of the sky turning green unless I do not use BT2020

What modifications should be made after Reshad loads shaders
It will enhance the contrast between light and dark in the image, and increase the saturation.
I quite like the modified image

Give me some time, I'll take some screenshots

Oh, it seems like I made a mistake
At first, I loaded reshade. ini uploaded by someone else
I consider it a change brought about by the initial reshade

[stiff oak]

0-50-50/50-50-50
Which one do you think is closer to the developer's picture

[peak geyser]

Cool. I had to turn the contrast down a touch. Shadows were too dark. Might be because I have OLED. Idk.

[peak geyser]

Most of the presets here intend for 50-50-50

[stiff oak]

I always thought that 0-50-50 was closer to the developer's vision
Because it is closer to the brightness of the image during the internal testing period

[peak geyser]

Yes. But it can be done with Reno settings. And people cant account for what your in-game settings will be if you are planning on using anyone else's posted settings.

[frank heart]

I also have oled

U probably want contrast 50

If u want perfect neutral

[stiff oak]

Which slider in Reno has the same effect as the brightness slider in the game?

[frank heart]

...exposure?

Or does the ingame one do sth different

[stiff oak]

I'll go test it out

[peak geyser]

Think I put it somewhere between what you had and 50. I didn't completely undo it.

[frank heart]

Aight

Also

Switch hue processor to ictcp

Im just doing minor tweaks to get the saturation a liiiiitle bit more balanced

Maybe do a default preset too

[stiff oak]

The pictures are all over 20MB, strange

[frank heart]

HDR PNGs are heavy

i nominate this

as defaults

not what I would personally use

cuz i like my contrast

yeah

pretty much vanilla+

for my use I'd just change it to contrast 60

[stiff oak]

brightness/exposure
0/1.0-0/1.5-50/1.0-50/0.5

yeah,And when the brightness is 50, no matter how the exposure is adjusted, the picture will have a hazy overexposure feeling

ok

[frank heart]

their slider is probably a gamma slider

and not smething like reno's exposure

[frank heart]

what are you trying to achieve here?

if you want to reduce the haze, turn down bloom

[stiff oak]

I have already done it

[frank heart]

u can combine it with some jank bullshit

like r.color.mid=0.4

I'd rather not because that along with r.color.min and r.color.max will also cause color shift

but you do you

start with 50-50-50

use r.color.mid if you want to shift the midtones down

don't touch the in-game sliders, they're shite

[stiff oak]

I cannot find the exposure slider position close to 0-50-50/1.0 for 50-50-50

[frank heart]

do what i said above

reset to 50-50-50

do r.color.mid=0.35

and go up and down from there

he's probably trying to shift the midtones down

there's really no purpose to using the in-game sliders

[stiff oak]

This will make the picture too dull and irrelevant to my goal

[frank heart]

have you tried it

lol

also

[stiff oak]

I know, it should be a problem of algorithm differences, I just can't find that balance point

[frank heart]

turn down paper white bud

it literally looks like you want the game to be on average less bright

which you can do with paper white lower

ppl use high paper white and then ask why the game looks so overexposed

[stiff oak]

I am using 2.2gamma

[frank heart]

then use 2.4

[stiff oak]

I don't like 2.4gamma, it makes low light gray levels darker

[frank heart]

compensate by raising shadows

man

[stiff oak]

ok

[frank heart]

lol

about the only thing reno can't do is shift the midtones

but the r.colors stuff can

[stiff oak]

60Shadows is approaching its previous effect

[frank heart]

Default UE

Low 0.0 mid 0.5 max 1.0

U can shift em up and down and achieve some interesting™ effect

[stiff oak]

No, the middle color of the character is approaching, but the shadow has been destroyed

[frank heart]

That looks like

Different sun position

[stiff oak]

The time difference within the game is less than 10 seconds

[frank heart]

I think he's just trying to replicate the in game brightness slider in reno

But atp

If thats what he wants to use

Probably leave it at that

[stiff oak]

In the future, I will adjust it to 50-50-50 before sending test pngs
I still prefer the 0-50-50 2.2gamma presentation now

[frank heart]

Not really much we can do

[stiff oak]

The effect it achieves is similar to the NEC monitor brightness controller I have used before
Reno is closer to the brightness slider of AMD/NVIDIA control panel

[frank heart]

And send a pic in vanilla

[stiff oak]

off/0-50-50/50-50-50 65shadows It's pointless to waste time on me

The brightness slider in the game has a significant impact on saturation

Reno exposure doesn't seem to significantly affect saturation

Their differences are significant

[echo jackal]

Looks ok for defaults based on what I tested yesterday as well, my only suggestion is maybe saturation down a notch since the contrast is at 50

[frank heart]

But i'll lose the symmetry

[stiff oak]

Yes, I don't use tonemapping=1/3 because I don't like high exposure

[cosmic hearth]

游戏亮度调低，然后峰值亮度调低

应该能解决你的需求

满足

RenoDX

设置上

另外问下，你使用RenoDX+MOD，在2.3地图没有遇到过物体抖动这个现象吗

[stiff oak]

2.3？是想说七丘吗？

[cosmic hearth]

大卡那边的地图

只有使用RenoDX+MOD才会遇到物体抖动现象

[stiff oak]

没有印象欸

你截图或录个视频看看

[cosmic hearth]

稍等 我去启动MOD和RenoDX录屏给你看

@stiff oak瞅瞅 有遇到吗

[stiff oak]

稍等 打完这把荣耀之丘

[cosmic hearth]

同时使用MOD+RenoDX才会遇到 只使用MOD或者RenoDX而不会遇到

[stiff oak]

我也有这个问题

[cosmic hearth]

好的，还好也就大卡那边会遇到 2.4地图似乎没有遇到这个问题

[stiff oak]

你会持续多久，我这边抖动2 3次就正常了

[cosmic hearth]

持续

只要人在那边 就会触发

[stiff oak]

在切换视角或前进后才会继续抖动

[cosmic hearth]

啊 怎么不一样啊

我是光人在那边就触发这个问题

[peak geyser]

I agree...

[cosmic hearth]

RenoDX+MOD同时使用的话

[stiff oak]

好像和距离有关，稍微站远一点就会正常

[cosmic hearth]

会有些个别角色 使用攻击，技能还是跳跃 会遇到游戏画面突然暗淡或者突然亮一下

2.3地图 2.4地图都有

[stiff oak]

用新版的addon文件

[cosmic hearth]

addon文件是什么

[cosmic hearth]

我用的是这个

我这里测试了下，只要不同时使用MOD+RenoDX而没有问题

同时使用才会遇到这些问题

😂

[stiff oak]

奇怪，我不会稳定触发，只会间歇闪烁

这片苔藓只会在我走进后闪烁

[cosmic hearth]

你在大卡那边地图随便走一走 你还会遇到血量上面的能量条抖动现象。

2.4地图我记得也有这个问题

[stiff oak]

你使用的是哪个日期的addon64文件，在一星期前的版本我的能量条也会抖动

[cosmic hearth]

所有的版本 我都试过了 只要同时使用MOD 在大卡地图那边就会稳定触发

[stiff oak]

哦 现在也会触发

[cosmic hearth]

单个使用而不会触发

[stiff oak]

像这样吗

[cosmic hearth]

对

能量条抖动

[stiff oak]

还好，触发没那么频繁，珂莱塔要攒够回路才会开始抖动

测试了下，风主同样的情况，看来是在共鸣回路动画播放时才会出现

你可以试试风主满共鸣回路后，不断的原地跳跃看看，动画效果是不是接近抖动效果

[cosmic hearth]

在2.3地图？

[stiff oak]

天空城 七丘都可以，七丘最容易触发

[frank heart]

https://tenor.com/view/bing-chilling-bing-chilling-gif-27051591

[cosmic hearth]

我看不出来

你是说能量条特殊？

[stiff oak]

只跳跃，不使用下落攻击

[cosmic hearth]

我看到了

跳跃时没有特效

[stiff oak]

每次落地后能量条最开始的动画，如果循环播放的话就接近抖动效果了

[cosmic hearth]

落地时才有特效

我感觉这好像是对的 我换DX12看看 不使用MOD

这是对的

DX12也是这样

[astral night]

rule 8

8. While shorter non-English conversations can happen, keep conversations in English please.

[cosmic hearth]

还行 MOD和RenoDX同时使用，2.4地图极少触发，2.3地图而只有天空城那边会触发

OK

[stiff oak]

I'll keep that in mind.

[cosmic hearth]

agree

[stiff oak]

应该是Reno与WWMI冲突
播放动画时不断进行重置，造成抖动效果
It should be a conflict between Reno and WWMI
Continuously resetting while playing animations causes shaking effect

[cosmic hearth]

Yes

I am on another map
I did not encounter these issues
Sky City has these issues

Maybe Sky City used something different?

Well, forget it

[stiff oak]

Can't fix it, have to make do

[autumn jetty]

wtf this looks like RTGI on/off not shadows lol

[autumn jetty]

not bad, the saturation is maybe a little too high, but it's good overall

[frank heart]

Its actually conservative

Since u need the high sat for avinoleum to keep its golden glow

🙂

[autumn jetty]

yea it's okay, it's not oversaturated

[echo jackal]

there are still some tradeoffs with cooked blue/purple colors at 70 saturation, spiwar settings/vanilla

[frank heart]

Thats one thing OKLab does better

Purple/blue hues

[subtle warren]

What are your new default settings ? @frank heart

[echo jackal]

maybe we can fix it when we get the new sliders wino cooking

[frank heart]

Hmm

Actually

Can u try thay with blowout restore 0

[echo jackal]

blowout restore 0 doesn't help there at all unfortunately, its more for highlights

[frank heart]

Ah yeah figured

[echo jackal]

with blowout restore 0

[frank heart]

I'll probably try OKlab again later

But tweak the sat

Aacktually

If people dont mind

Losing performance

Its probably easier to fix it

With a reshade grading filter

[echo jackal]

i settled around 60-65 sat for my own settings to try to reign those back

[subtle warren]

Can you guys try more rec.2020

It has less color banding

Than rec.709

[frank heart]

Unsalvageable

Maybe qol stuff like

Custom UI

Could be cool

[subtle warren]

I still have to try reno in bt2020, but my all windows ui is in bt2020 since my tv support it, so I thought that bt2020 reno would go well

[frank heart]

He just likes oversatursted colors

Since its samsung tv bt 2020 mode

yeah its samsung

they let u choose the colour space

in advanced settings

there's an "auto" optiojn

which most people should use

but you can choose sth like "native" color space for example

[subtle warren]

Nah I just don't like color banding, so bt2020 can improve that

Yea it does, and I configured it so it won't look saturated

Only 10bpc

[frank heart]

vanilla/renodrt

new idea

avinoleum next

[frank heart]

you should have been using dithering

on nvidia turn on 8bit dithering

you can do dithering in 6b or 8b

on top of your current 10 bit or 12 bit output

I use 12bit + 8 bit dithering

nah

thats windows default

I use 150% scaling

[frank heart]

can't seem to upload files

camellya ult?

the shader from the other day was for camellya gacha intro

oh yeah it's definitely working alright

NOPE

it doesnt

oh yeah

the camellya shader

is definitely being used

for something else

check this out 😂

[autumn jetty]

hmm it looks like that darkening shader

[frank heart]

new preset to test with

yep

if it was death stranding before

switching it to off

doesnt change to kuro

[subtle warren]

But 10 bit is better

It's native

I use 10bit already

[frank heart]

panel native =/ processing

LG oleds do processing in 12 bit

[echo jackal]

this should be good, almost the same as what i've been testing

[frank heart]

test the new build

im too lazy to delete my reshade.ini

🤣

im thinking it might be some leftover settings

[echo jackal]

i'll test in a bit

[subtle warren]

On nvidia it will show 12bits my tv can do 12bits too on nvidia control panel, but my tv specs is 10bit, but I should be able to use 12bit too

[echo jackal]

oh nope i don't have it

[frank heart]

it depends on what your TV does processing at

LG does processing at 12 bit

so if I send a 10 bit signal

it's just going to up it to 12 bit for processing

and then down to 10 bit to display to TV again

some are greyed out

[astral night]

if you add a setting you need to include what off means in OnPresetOff

[subtle warren]

Same thing aa mine

[peak geyser]

This is pretty good.

[autumn jetty]

I like Lupa, but she is so useless without Brant/Encore 😢

I wanted to pull, but she is not really good with Changli

[peak geyser]

I mean, she's the only unit that fully benefits from Changli's outro but yeah. Brant > Lupa if it's one or the other.

It's not as powerful as my Carlotta or Cartwheel teams, but it's fun and a solid 3rd in performance.

[autumn jetty]

I don't like brant haha

[autumn jetty]

yea but Lupa does next to no damage at S0

even when buffed

she is good at buffing encore/brant

[peak geyser]

Yes and no. The damage comes from weird places like Wolf Pack mechanic. Also her team does more damage spread between them instead of like a Cartwheel hyper carry where most of it comes from 1 character.

[autumn jetty]

its like 50/40/10 Changli/Brant/Lupa

[peak geyser]

Right. But Brant is getting buffed by Lupa outro, And on 2nd rotation Wolf Pack pops off with it's special intro.

[autumn jetty]

and quick swapping feels weird with her too the buffs expire on swapping 😭

[peak geyser]

She's more built so that it doesn't require you to QS with Changli, which is easier skill floor for most people.

[autumn jetty]

I don't thik that she is worth it if you don't have or don't want Brant

for now

[peak geyser]

Also at S0 Lupa does about 32k dps and Brant does 29k. Like I said, Lupa's damage also happens off field.

[autumn jetty]

That's true but it feels good to QS haha

[peak geyser]

Agreed. Brant is kind of the priority pull between the two.

Brant is also harder to build though too. He pretty much requires his signature weapon.

[autumn jetty]

my Changli/Carlotta team is still best when it comes to fun:damage

[autumn jetty]

oh right he requires a lot of ER too

If you got Brant and Changli then Lupa is a must pull though

[peak geyser]

Fair. Personally I'm not a QS enjoyer. But I understand the appeal for people who can execute the apm to play it.

[peak geyser]

I find it fun at least. And it allows my old man skills to play Changli more how I prefer.

[autumn jetty]

it's too bad because I like her animations/style and she can run fast without depleting stamina too

[peak geyser]

At least you get to save some $$. XP

[autumn jetty]

yea I will pull Phrolova probably

I don't really like her tbh but I got Cantarella

and she is near useless atm I wanted to use her with Carlotta but meh

Carlotta+Cantarella+SK = god mode against nightmare holograms

both carlotta and cantarella slow/freeze targets, and Cantarella and SK heal Carlotta

but it's not fun

[visual sand]

I would love to test this new version out but I'm not sure my laptop can handle it

[frank heart]

I test for amd on my radeon 780m

[visual sand]

Yeah I never installed it cause I only discovered this when I finished my PC build

But well I don't have my PC currently until October

Cause I'm outta town

[tidal leaf]

isn't this srgb encoding?

its the srgb without piecewise for x < 0.0031308

I don't know if the UE4 mod uses RenderIntermediatePass / SwapChainPass

hmm that is mind bending

I noticed that the unreal mod uses SwapChainPass (probably your mod still keeps it)

there is no option in SwapChainPass that decodes this back to linear correctly

how about a custom Decode

(pow((c + 0.055f) / 1.055f, 2.4f));

because the Encode function doesn't have (c <= 0.04045f)

you can also call it out as a dev's mistake

and correct the UI as it should be (srgb)

[autumn jetty]

I didn't want to get Lupa but I spent my 20 radiant tides on her and I got her lol, it broke my 50/50 loosing record (7)

I had to pull for the weapon too then and I got it in 40

I have to build her now 😩

[fallen tiger]

are u guys lagging with dlaa 4k ray tracing and renodx im barely getting 40

[frank heart]

renodx only hits 5%

So uh get better gpu if u have low fps

[ebon marsh]

Hey guys! I’m trying to get both HDR and mods working together. ReShade64.dll crashes the game when injected via XXMI. But if I use XXMI alone or rename ReShade64.dll to d3d11.dll and run it with the official launcher, it works fine.
could someone help me out?

[stiff oak]

https://gamebanana.com/tools/18081Refer to this script and follow Redeme's instructions
after that ename ReShade64.dll to d3d12.dll

[tidal leaf]

you can check how RenderIntermediatePass and SwapChainPass does swapchain gamma correction (gamma correction on UI)

[ebon marsh]

Thanks for your help! I can now launch the game with both mods and ReShade enabled. However, it seems that renodx still still doesn’t seem to be working.
I’ve tried placing the the renodx add-on file both in the WuWa game directory and in the ReShade folder within XXMI, but neither of them worked

[stiff oak]

Can you call up the Reshade menu after pressing the home button

[ebon marsh]

Yean I can

but renodx doesn't appear in the menu

[stiff oak]

Check if there are any differences between the game directory and mine

[ebon marsh]

no difference other than some data file

[stiff oak]

Is ReShade64.dll and d3d12.DLL in XXMI Lancaster Portal \ Reshade the same version

[ebon marsh]

it really was a version issue. after updating both files to the latest version, renodx finally works. Huge thanks!

[autumn jetty]

umm lower your settings? RT shadows are broken anyways, DLAA is broken too actually, it's not native res you have to fix it or use the balanced/quality preset instead

[nocturne lava]

Yeah ultimate quality is balanced

[frank heart]

What about the uh radial blur shader

Sanhua ult

If u have camellya

U can just

Get it to trigger constantly

Oh wait

Can u just

Friend me

And then use my camellya intro anim

[frank heart]

Camellya is like right at the start of the splash screen

Its really easy to repeat

[fallen tiger]

no i set it to dlaa in nvidia app and put in game as auto so it gives dlaa

[peak geyser]

Idk. Dlaa works fine for me.
What's the issue?

[fallen tiger]

Nah it just lag maybe because I have bunch of shaders on

[autumn jetty]

it's not native resolution

but the negative LOD bias is set to 0

which is wrong

[fallen tiger]

is there a way to get frame gen working without dx12?

[autumn jetty]

framegen is not working with RenoDX atm

it's just transformer model thats broken?

oh nice

good to know

[frank heart]

No

[peak geyser]

What do you mean that DLAA isn't native resolution?
You mean DLSS?

I mean. That's what its supposed to be doing at least.

[autumn jetty]

that's the bug with DLAA in wuwa, it's not native res 😄

yes no need to use negative LOD bias with DLAA

it's bugged in wuwa, and when you select DLAA the actual render resolution is 54% or something

so because of this DLAA looks worse than even Balanced DLSS in wuwa

[peak geyser]

When you say DLAA I think you mean DLSS Ultra Quality preset.

Which yes, IS bugged.

[peak geyser]

Their Ultra Quality preset is supposed to be 77% but it is bugged and comes up at 54%.

DLAA IS 100% resolution. BUT you can't set it in game. It can only be set in either NV App or NV Inspector. (Or SK or any other intermediate layer programs)

[fallen tiger]

quick question if i use the kuno map tone in renodx do i still have the add a line in the engine.i?

[visual sand]

Okay time to see if my Laptop can run this

[autumn jetty]

Ah you are right there is no DLAA in-game

my bad

[frank heart]

It should unless he's running intel hd graphics

[visual sand]

Well I Windows Smart App control blocked Reshade install so I’m tryna figure that out

Cause my Windows Security is bugged

[nocturne lava]

Wait what, this is super useful to know

[visual sand]

Oh huh

[frank heart]

LOL

Welcome to the club bro

[visual sand]

Now how do you extract it?

[sleek oxide]

7zip (or winrar but why) on windows - 7z on linux

[visual sand]

Okay testing and OH GOD WHAT THE FUCK

My laptop screen isn't HDR so now it feels like a fuckign flash bang

So uh yeah

[misty brook]

Is it just me?

Ults look weird

[peak geyser]

Weird how?

[misty brook]

Like darker

End of sanhua ult

[peak geyser]

There have been clamping issues where ult animation brightness goes down to whatever you have UI set to.

I know that @tough ember has fixed a few of those recently in the more recent build. Not sure if there are still some left that are broken.

@misty brook You using the UE version of Reno or the WuWa specific version?

[misty brook]

Wuwa specific but it might not be up to date

[peak geyser]

Check pinned. I believe that's the latest build.

[fallen tiger]

does anyone use complete rt shader in wuthering wave ?

[peak geyser]

What do you mean by "complete rt"?

[stiff oak]

Most people here use DX12
don't need complete RT

[fallen tiger]

U guys don’t use mod 😦

[peak geyser]

I play with RT. So, no.

[fallen tiger]

Is a shader

That’s what I thought also until this kanousakura guy make god tier mod

Couldn’t resist

[frank heart]

:icant:

[stiff oak]

i use mod
but i dont like complete
its performance cost and the changes in visual quality don’t satisfy me

[fallen tiger]

Yea I wanted to see if people on the server have better setting cause I don’t see a big difference

Maybe I gotta upgrade

[frank heart]

Complete also uses stolen code so

[fallen tiger]

He does wasn’t it like a paid shader before

[frank heart]

making it free doesnt change the fact that he stole the code from another paid shader

[fallen tiger]

Who did he stole from

[umbral granite]

Reshade effects and stolen code

Name a better duo

I like how it's almost always GI based shadera

The people yearn for PT levels of GI

[fallen tiger]

No wonder he stop selling it

[umbral granite]

All these Reshade based effects are a hard sell unless you use REST or make use of Reno's render before in game shaders function

UI bleed, volumetrics being affected, sometimes depth buffer shenanigans that cause the GI to display all weird

[fallen tiger]

Mine looks good though

[frank heart]

pascal gilcher

[umbral granite]

Pascal not getting his code stolen then repackaged challenge Impossible difficulty

[frank heart]

the complete rt incident got pretty big though because the guy who made complete RT was actually within the commmunity

if it was some rando lifting the code then it is what it is

[visual sand]

So can anyone help me fix this? My laptop doesn't support HDR so now everything is too bright

[frank heart]

I dont think you should even bother with this if your laptop doesnt even support hdr...

[umbral granite]

Trey and Pascal started adding shitpost into their shader code

It's funny

Dont have it on my phone atm but the comments aiming at those that steal

[visual sand]

Yeah that's what I thought

[astral night]

in Advanced, Resource Upgrades, switch hdr10 to scrgb

[visual sand]

[visual sand]

Okay wait I don't see it

[astral night]

what do you see? picture please

[astral night]

is this unrealengine.addon64 or wino's build?

[visual sand]

The one from the Pins

[astral night]

yeah, he removed it, idk why

[visual sand]

Boi

[astral night]

unrealengine

[visual sand]

@tough ember

[astral night]

actually, it's not in latest either? weird

that was may 20

[peak geyser]

So the build Wino probably based his off of probably just didn't have it in the first place I guess.

[astral night]

i mean, it's there in code ```cpp
{
auto* scrgb_setting = new renodx::utils::settings::Setting{
.key = "Upgrade_UseSCRGB",
.binding = &shader_injection.processing_use_scrgb,
.value_type = renodx::utils::settings::SettingValueType::INTEGER,
.default_value = 0.f,
.label = "Swap Chain Format",
.section = "Resource Upgrades",
.tooltip = "Selects use of HDR10 or scRGB swapchain.",
.labels = {
"HDR10",
"scRGB",
},
.is_global = true,
.is_visible = { return settings[0]->GetValue() >= 2; },
};
add_setting(scrgb_setting);

shader_injection.processing_use_scrgb = scrgb_setting->GetValue();
renodx::mods::swapchain::SetUseHDR10(scrgb_setting->GetValue() == 0);

}

oh no, i'm blind it's in ue

he removed it

[visual sand]

Thanks man

I actually hit the Energy Cap again cause I haven't been playing in a bit cause I wanted to wait until I got this RenoDX all sorted out

[visual sand]

Yeah my Laptop doesn't have HDR capabilities

[visual sand]

I'll test it out tmr

Thanks for going outta your way for this

[astral night]

from?

you shouldn't have to change anything

but it's not a live setting, it applies on boot

oh, then yeah 80/80

80 / 80 /80 for everything

[visual sand]

Aye

Like I assume those are Brightness levels?

Aye

[astral night]

no, always 80/80/80

scRGB is /80.f based

so in sdr you'd do 80/80 meaning 1.0, if you do 100/80, then you're going to clip sdr

[visual sand]

[astral night]

windows encodes it to srgb

basically. scrgb is reconverted for all intents and purposes

both in sdr and hdr

[visual sand]

Well I'm going to bed now

[subtle warren]

So no more bt2020 for now? 🥲

[frank heart]

this doesn't matter

[subtle warren]

It matters because it did a really good job and I prefer it tbh

I prefer it more than bt709

The gradient smoothness are crazy good

[astral night]

scrgb would probably allow Advanced Color i think

which is for SDR displays that support wide color gamut

[astral night]

scrgb doesn't have color space limitation

like if you have a dcip3 display or adobergb, or even dolby vision

i have a dolby vision laptop that doesn't do hdr

does advanced color

you can force it but it wouldn't be scrgb 16bit

having you display show 8bit in a wider gamut is going to stretch it, causing extra banding for the sake of wider colors

adr advanced color is 10bit in the kernel

yes

if you had 10bit output would be better, but not handling like Advanced Color now

bt2020 slider?

that's handled by the scrgb slider

maybe it's because you removed the hdr10/scrgb slider

#define RENODX_SWAP_CHAIN_CLAMP_COLOR_SPACE      color::convert::COLOR_SPACE_BT2020
#define RENODX_SWAP_CHAIN_ENCODING_COLOR_SPACE   (color::convert::COLOR_SPACE_BT2020 - shader_injection.processing_use_scrgb)  // BT709 = BT2020 - 1
#define RENODX_SWAP_CHAIN_ENCODING               (ENCODING_PQ + shader_injection.processing_use_scrgb)                         // SCRGB = PQ + 1

[astral night]

because there's some logic related to custom colorspace and other stuff. if not you'd have the GPU have to do if/else branches

like if the clamp-color_space == encoding_color_space then you can skip* some stuff

[frank heart]

It doesnt because ur not using scrgb in the first place

Cooked

Hopefully u win

U tried asking someone in the reno channel yet

I havent played past the story quest ever since the clamping happened

Since im recording the cutscenes and putting in on yt

So waiting on your moby dick journey

take ur time tho no rush

We got faith

[frank heart]

Hmm for fleurs case

I had to scale UI to 400

While my peak is 800

Peak/game/ui was like 800/120/400 something

To make it look right

If u can drop a build and i can just quickly test that

Should b easy

Any size

Wao

[frank heart]

aight

lets see

i see the camellya one is still broken, i assume u havent touched this shader yet

damn

still looks broken for me

with the first build

fleur ult

here i am wondering why both versions look the same

https://tenor.com/view/angry-annoyed-grrr-gif-13254363

wait

after upgrading

its still the same for me

lol

im testing fleur's ult

in the new 40 energy boss area

the horse person boss or something

[frank heart]

all of those builds really look the same to me

these past few couple of builds

in terms of fleurs ult

aight u can

[frank heart]

aight lets see

how many builds we've come

it looks a lot closer to not being bugged RN

I'll need to check the reference from vanilla

still partially obstructed

but it looks a lot better

SDR ref

i need to make sure this is not

run to run variance

i checked another vid

we're almost there i think

the entire line should be visible

you mean the whitey black and white?

the white during the impact frames there is clipped to ~200-300 nits i think

not sure if it was intentional

200-350~ nits

i wonder if bgr8 has something to do with this

im back to my pc which didn't have it toggled

lets see if it changes anything

hmm

UI might have some effect

im not sure

UI 400 nits

still look more clear

let me record a vid

UI 150 nits

im on the correct build right

yeah

it feels like you changed some threshold

and now it needs less UI brightness

to achieve the same effect

but UI brightness still affects it

[visual sand]

@tough ember Okay testing it now and help

[visual sand]

Ah let me try that

[frank heart]

@tough ember oh btw, u must have accidentally

one of the patches fixed up global filters

the game works with global filters now

another suffering from success moment

[frank heart]

What changed? Its still not decoupled right?

I dont think its big of an issue because even if u dont like 2.4 for the game its easy to grade around it using the color grading sliders

[stiff oak]

Strange, the new version is causing issues with my fleur ult instead.

[stiff oak]

old/new

Delete the PSO cache and conduct consistent testing without changing any settings.

The initial test likely involved me adjusting the UI brightness from 203 to 250

I need to sleep now. Hopefully someone can continue testing fleur ult

I’ve long suspected there might be differences between AMD and NVIDIA in how they implement RenoDX

because in earlier versions I couldn’t adjust the sliders at all, while those of you with NVIDIA had no issues.

Probably only I am experiencing this issue

old version uses the initial build where BT.2020 support was first implemented

[frank heart]

That sounds like wrong setup

Theres no difference since i have an amd laptop and every build ive tested worked on there

[stiff oak]

In earlier versions, adjusting the sliders didn't change the display
only modifying UI brightness/gamma/color space had an effect.

[frank heart]

Yes that sounds like a wrong setting/setup somewhere

[stiff oak]

I'm not sure either

[frank heart]

I've tested almost every version since january lol

Its almost always user error

[stiff oak]

Remember that previous mix-up?
I thought the washed-out screen was a bug in the new version
but actually the update finally made those sliders work properly.
Turns out I had just replaced the file

[stiff oak]

anyway，could you test fleur ult when you have time?
Check if increasing the UI brightness might lead to a situation similar to this one

[frank heart]

i've already tested

[stiff oak]

How did it turn out

[frank heart]

#1383049193186136216 message

scroll up brah

[stiff oak]

Are the changes in the version you tested the same as this version?

[frank heart]

it's the same version

[stiff oak]

Then I'll have to test it again tomorrow. Now I have to go to sleep

[subtle warren]

What does blowout restoration do?

@tough ember

[frank heart]

I'd use 100 because tone is closer to sdr but it really fucks up some color

If only we had better hue shift or something

0 technically has the least weird colors but then the tones don't match sdr

No perfect solution

[subtle warren]

I'd set blowout restoration 100, then blowout 60

[frank heart]

Thats pretty extreme but you're already using bt2020 so what else isnt

It'll break down really quick whenever u have strong tones like in cantarella's castle

[echo jackal]

new version is doing some unexpected hue shifting on aerover ult, its no longer a white flash

previous version looks like this

[echo jackal]

also its clamping in the new version

[echo jackal]

took lupa for a spin in the trial, seems fine

[echo jackal]

yeah it used to not clamp in the old version so this would be a regression

[fallen tiger]

when is enalbe ray tracing my client just on the loading screen with reshade

is there a fix for that

[echo jackal]

its clamping to ui

had it set to 180 nits for game/ui on the old version

yeah...this is at 500 nits UI and the skill effects disappear

[frank heart]

Thats kinda expected

U shouldnt have it that high anyways

Same as the old version actually

[echo jackal]

the old version didn't clamp for me

was confirming it was ui clamp by setting to 500

[frank heart]

I think wino was saying thats just how the math works out

#1383049193186136216 message

[echo jackal]

that's for fleur which was already clamping before. aerover was working fine with old version but not in the new one

[frank heart]

Everything that was using impact frames were probably utilizinf the same shaders

Its the same thing with lupas intro as well

The old aero rover version also probably broke for me i just never paid attention to it, maybe ill check later with an older buils

[echo jackal]

dunno could be another additional effect tied to it but anyways, for reference here's old version vs new version, both using same settings with 180 game/ui nits

[echo jackal]

nvm lupa ult impact frame is clamping in new version, missed it earlier

blur effect during slow motion from finishing lupa trial clamps to UI, brant ult impact frame also clamps, but both of those were broken in old version as well

both at 180

[frank heart]

Its there but yeah not really easy to capture

I never tried tackling it bc its impossible to get a snapshot for something that quick

Changli skill was split second to snapshot too

But its easily repeatable

This one u have to enter a node where that triggers and fight the boss lul

Also for lupa's gacha intro

Its the same issue where the impact frames are low brightness

U tried the renderdoc fork yet

[echo jackal]

new version, game 500 ui 48

they work fine on my phone

they play straight in discord for me

but ya looks like it is tied to game, impact frame goes brr 1000 nits

gonna check the lupa trial stuff again with these settings

[frank heart]

What phone

[frank heart]

So the issue is that its working

But its not bright enough

Cant be called impact frames if it has no impact

Eksdee

[echo jackal]

ok good news is the blur/lupa ult/brant ult i checked earlier are not clamping to ui, they're clamping to game 500 nits

needa head off now though, can test more tmr

[visual sand]

@tough ember Okay got it up and working now

Probably stills needs some tweaking

[frank heart]

actually that might be just fine lol

cause its impact frames itt gotta be impactful yo

[frank heart]

drop ze build

https://tenor.com/view/galactic-republic-court-gif-18563333

Just do max energy regen

Yeah

[frank heart]

let's fucking goooooooooooooooo

default settings

[frank heart]

setting for this

recording vid with 500 UI brightness

400*

I think you've successfully untied it from UI brightness

now it's probably game brightness affecting it (?)

idk, maybe i should try with game brightness 203 or 300

yeah

it seems like it gets better with 300

probably 300 with default settings will make it appear right

hmm i tried 800 game bright with all defaults

screen was all white

lul

400 game brightness and 800 game brightness just for kicks

not sure how helpful this would be

wdym, I think I showed the reshade menu in the vid before i ran the move

oh I just use this boss lol

i mean its not optimal, ideally I just put ER gear

cause right now the boss dies by just doing normal moves to build up energy

[umbral granite]

UWU got its own dedicated Reno before GTA VI came out

brazy

[peak geyser]

Holograms now give full charge at fight start.

[frank heart]

good idea

[frank heart]

Horror movie core

[stoic vortex]

I believe Jiyan ult also clamps

[visual sand]

Well thanks

I'm gonna have nightmares tonight

[frank heart]

Huh what

I dont think jiyan ult has impact frames

[frank heart]

If hes on desktop might be good to make sure its actually clamping

And not ABL

[stoic vortex]

I'm new to this but I'll try to get a vid, I'll let you know

I didn't confirm with the hdr analysis but everything becomes washed out for a couple of seconds when ulting so I assume it's clamping

[stoic vortex]

seems so? tried one ult at 299 game brightness and max nits said 305
then lowered game brightness to 151 for another ult and then max nits said 163

[raven wedge]

Can I use scRGB from special k with renodx?

[stoic vortex]

like this?

[frank heart]

Which resource upgrades

Do you have enabled?

[stoic vortex]

im using your exact same setup with just a slight change in saturation

[frank heart]

Ok

[stoic vortex]

its the b8 or smth and the r10

ive been lurking for a bit

[frank heart]

I'll check later

i never checked this cus if ur doing that ult variation that means ur playing jiyan incorrectly

But yeah we should cover everything

[stoic vortex]

i dont really play him, just noticed it during a mission

but the other animation also clamps

[frank heart]

Double check in about an hour

When i get home

Its likely something wino broke fr fr

[stoic vortex]

this is the other animation you mean right

[frank heart]

Yeah

I see some partial clamp

Ok

Just for kicks

Redo all of theae

These

With r.kurotonemapping=0

[stoic vortex]

doesnt wino's version ignore that?

[frank heart]

U can use kurotonemapping even with it set to 0

But its not technically ignore

Ok

[stoic vortex]

just checked my .ini

it already has it

[frank heart]

Ok

Ill get that shader later

[stoic vortex]

just in case here's my ini

[raven wedge]

Like this?

I'm staring at clouds right now, and it doesn't go further than 203 nits for some reason

Ah damn, forgot I did reset on contrast

Thanks!

Finally, proper JXR!

[frank heart]

@tough ember eks dee

its the camellya shader

I'll need to get OBS set up on this laptop

well

it might actually be the camellya shader + something else

[raven wedge]

What's this btw?

[frank heart]

@tough ember

• impact frames ✅
• camellya shader ✅
• just clamping in general ✅

weird embed not working with AMD

@stoic vortex nice find btw

ok embed works if i record as mp4

sec

oh

actually maybe in half an hour

gotta go home

[stiff oak]

my eyes

[frank heart]

@tough ember

recognize any of these?

there's that new one inbetween'

0xc0befb6c

ok this one seems like its just a new shader in general

[frank heart]

it's the last picture

0x26801d61 is the camellya shader

#1383049193186136216 message

so we already got that one, you just haven't fixed it yet

the impact frame is only for a split second and it looks fine so I guess it's okay (?)

[frank heart]

so just 0xC0BEFB6C and 0x26801d61 is needed to fix this (and would fix a lot of other places i think)

[stoic vortex]

ik this isn't really the place but, do you guys know if there's any way to change the fov? I'm playing ultrawide but even then it feels like the camera is a bit too close

[frank heart]

Uh... use hacks

Ur on ur own if u get banned though

Generally they dont catch you unless you're blatantly hacking

[stoic vortex]

well all I was looking for was just smth to increase fov but can't really find anything

[frank heart]

@tough ember turns out the fleur ult

Can break in SDR too

Jank shader they made

I saw a facebook post

If you used the color settings in the menu too aggressively it can also break the shader in sdr

[civic path]

Why does it peak 203 nits on your end?
IPS display?

[stiff oak]

Impact frames are clamped by UI brightness
My monitor is a 4K60Hz JOLED panel,peak brightness 400nit

[cosmic hearth]

Smooth Motion with NVIDIA driver 590.26
Cannot work with RenoDX
What a pity

[astral night]

Upgrade ReShade

[cosmic hearth]

My poor English proficiency

[umbral granite]

Avg gatchoid intelligence

[frank heart]

Thats why the skip button is invented

No need to learn to read if u dont have to read

[umbral granite]

How are you logging in then?

No wonder they flash you with pretty pictures and vibrant colours in the cash shop

[frank heart]

I see the G button to login

I click that

Log in with g0gle

Tjen i press the green button on my controller

Cause green is good

It logs me in

And i play

🐒

[umbral granite]

[regal owl]

any reason this happens?

[umbral granite]

When Reno is doing SDR path to HDR upgrade (e.g when a game doesnt have Native HDR or native HDR is borked so using SDR base is easier as a base)

Transformer FG borks itself, The FG frames clamp themselves to SDR and then alternate between SDR/HDR hence the flicker. The higher your base framerate, the less noticable the flicker will be

[regal owl]

ohh i see thank you both

[umbral granite]

Wait™ for trans fix

or cope with CNN FG

I wont go back to CNN FG so I suffer by not being able to play

[fallen tiger]

my display peak is around 1k but if i set in setting renodx i put 2000 it can peak 2000 somehow is this a bug or my display actually hit 2000 nits

[umbral granite]

Wdym by peak? I can set Reno to run at 4000 nits as well but it will look overblown whilst clipping highlights because the display can only do 1000

[fallen tiger]

but when i use hdr analy it tells me i peak 1800

does that mean my display can do that or is just hdr analy being dum

ok i see

[stoic vortex]

ye

[stoic vortex]

if it's simple then sure

yeah sure, I assume you just send me a new addon file and I test

yeah can do that np

[stoic vortex]

ive noticed other types of behaviours as well

like the ends of quests conversations

not clamping tho, not sure what to call it

I believe that may be it ye

it's like a transition is missing

I assume it should be fading to either white or black so it's probably that

[stoic vortex]

yep, jiyan seems to be fixed

thank you

[subtle warren]

There was a problem like that with Taoqi's ult too, idk if it's fixed tho

[stoic vortex]

for some reason raytracing makes me crash in specific spots on the map, is that a known thing

well what i can find is supposedly nvidia related but im on amd

and it's not random at all for me, it's specific areas on the map

if i get close, fatal crash

otherwise no crash

not sure how to check but I doubt it? it's the ingame raytracing causing issues after all

[stoic vortex]

i see a crash log ye, cant read this at all tho 💀

[stoic vortex]

nah its english

might as well be chinese tho

[peak geyser]

Paste it into GPT and see what it says. XP

[frank heart]

572

Fixed camellya?

[cosmic hearth]

I would like to ask
Has anyone used the automatic HDR feature in system version 23H2?
The automatic HDR feature of 23H2 is supported by Wuwa
The automatic HDR feature of 24H2 does not work with Wuwa, it is ineffective.

[cosmic hearth]

That's a good question
I'm just puzzled why 23H2 supports automatic HDR with Wuwa, but 24H2 no longer does. What's the reason for this?

[crimson drum]

I did — I used forceHDR to enable it when I first started about a month ago. Now I’m using Reno like everyone else, I assume.

[autumn jetty]

Anything is better than windows autohdr, but you can probalby force enable it

[fallen tiger]

does smooth motion not work with renodx ?

[fallen tiger]

no is nvidia app

[cosmic hearth]

Yes, RenoDX works with it and exhibits strange behavior.
The screen flickers at high speed

In addition, the frame generation in version 3.10.2 can be used
The UI brightness needs to be increased to match the screen brightness
This way, it won't flicker

[frank heart]

Im stranded at the airport so nows a good time as any to test the new patch

[frank heart]

@tough ember camellya seems fixed

there seems to be some minor parts thats still clamping

seeing 180 nits (my UI brightness)

cantarella ult seems clamping

jiyan is fixed

[fallen tiger]

i cant use fram gen im on dx11 frame gen works fine for me only smooth motion doesnt

[cosmic hearth]

RenoDX cannot work with smooth motion

[umbral granite]

como

shortfuse added the hooks

[astral night]

Yes. Update ReShade to nightly

[fallen tiger]

Wdym

[fallen tiger]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/releases/tag/nightly-20250721 this?

[subtle warren]

I think he's talking about reshade, not reno

[fallen tiger]

I can’t find reshade nightly

[echo jackal]

#🧩renodx-dev message

remember to check the pins

[fallen tiger]

but now nvidia filter stop working lmao

[peak geyser]

Probably shouldn't use Nvidia filter with ReShade. Sounds like a bad time.

[fallen tiger]

ye im just not gonna use smooth motion

[echo jackal]

nvidia filter is literally just reshade but with a bigger fps cost https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1309186257238360135.gif?size=64&animated=true&name=kekw

[fallen tiger]

bruh i try to mess around with reshade but i just cant get the same effect using nvidia filter

do u know what are counterfit for each nvidia filter

[peak geyser]

What are you trying to do?

[fallen tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPXPU86bk_I&t=71s this

im using his looking really good with renodx

no like my setting rn in renodx and the filter works prefectly

i want to get a similar effect using reshade shaders instead of nvidia filter

but i cant find the correct shaders that match nvidia

[fallen tiger]

i paid for his patreon i have his upgraded version

cant really get the same detail

like is the texture detail that i want

yea ik is sharpening but somehow the nvidia one does a better job

rn im just downloading random preset to test

[echo jackal]

you can try these, some ppl ported the nvidia shaders to reshade https://reshade.me/forum/shader-suggestions/7664-can-someone-port-details-yfx-from-freestyle-to-reshade#45451

[fallen tiger]

i gave up imma take the L losing 15 fps

[fallen tiger]

i just cant find the setting i want

nvidia filter is fine for me only 15 fps lost i can bear with that

or ill just get a better gpu

no idea nvidia optimizations are just bad

[solar path]

Imo, if you want sharpening, lilium's CAS and RCAS shaders for HDR are the way to go. I'm partial CAS hdr. It kinda looks good no matter what you do with it. It can look crisp but never crunchy. It's amazing. And it costs next to nothing.

[umbral granite]

Nah... Default UE tonemapper.sharpen at 3.66666 is better

[fallen tiger]

Is not just sharpen also color and detail

[subtle warren]

Does it introduce grain?

And I thought the tonemapper.sharpen cvar didn't work anymore

[umbral granite]

I should have added a /s

Pls don't use UE's sharpener

At 1 it is already bad enough, Wukong uses a default of 3.666

It's eye cancer

[fallen tiger]

can you make a preset that simular i was messing around with the sharpening but doesnt get the same result

is the sharpen + (texture detail)

[subtle warren]

Hdr Rcas is the best sharpening option tbh, no artifacts, just pure details

Or no haloing

[fallen tiger]

You have nvidia card ?

I can tell you the exact setting for filter

[fallen tiger]

imma try it then i kinda got the same effect but is the same fps drop like 10 fps

so i dont think it matter much after trying it

[frank heart]

I use rcas as part of optiscaler

So it doesnt apply to UI

[peak geyser]

Do you find rcas better than Nvidia Sharpen (Old)?

[astral night]

r/cas is generally better than nis

[peak geyser]

NIS sucks. This is true. XD
But I'm talking about Old Sharpen.

[frank heart]

I basically have the old sharpen always on

and then apply RCAS on top of it

so I wouldn't know

well

only if the game is blurry enough

old sharpen is always on for convenience basically

and wuwa is basically the only game I use RCAS on top of old sharpen

[peak geyser]

You find WuWa that blurry?

[subtle warren]

If you don't like grain and artifacts such as haloing, old sharpen is not for you

[frank heart]

extra crispy chicken 4K

I think I only applied a tiiiiny bit extra

was fine playing without RCAS, since RCAS performance cost is basically 0 with optiscaler I just decided to use it on top

[peak geyser]

Reno for 2.5 seems all fucked up. I have rainbows EVERYWHERE

[subtle warren]

Not again damn it

Didn't even open 2.5 yet

sigh

[peak geyser]

Some things are worse than others. Yangyang was the worst so far. Sometimes shows up only a little bit as an artifact.