▫️Switch 2

[agile berry]

And the SDR picture is just stretched across that range

Makes sense, guess I'm keeping HDR off for this one

[silver lake]

yeah, same. I love this kind of game. The first level, where you don’t have that sense of “openness,” felt kinda meh, but once you get to the next layer where you can just go anywhere, search, and discover stuff feels so great

[gilded siren]

I fully finished that first real layer, on the 2nd now 😁

[silver lake]

it's the same as in Odyssey for me

I also didn't know I like this game yet in the first/intro level

[gilded siren]

I loved odyssey, I got all 900 moons

[silver lake]

same, one of my favourite games of all time

[modern cosmos]

I’m liking this more than odyssey for sure. Feels like the game they actually wanted to make when making odyssey

[gilded siren]

Got 100% on the 2nd layer now, it's quite a bit shorter than the first

[silver lake]

I'm collecting as much as I can on every single layer, but I'm not pushing to always do 100%. If I can't find more stuff, I just move on to the next layer and I'll clear it after beating the game. It's my favourite way to play games like this

[strange shadow]

oh no

[modern cosmos]

honestly a relief that it's low brightness lol

400 nits for ITM is a good choice

[tardy anvil]

Just tried the game, the HDR “implementation” is downright terrifying

Everything is overly bright and hyper saturated

Borderline hurts my eyes at time

[modern cosmos]

At least the 400 nit cap keeps it from being Mario kart bad

Very similar art choices have been made though

It’s still very bright and very colorful

[agile berry]

It's not a 400 cap. It takes the brightness you set your second screen at as cap

[modern cosmos]

I thought 400 nits was the ceiling regardless

But it could scale down

[agile berry]

Nah it can go to 1000 if you let it. I believe that's with 10k peak and second slider maxed

[silver lake]

don't you need to push paper white like crazy to get a higher peak brightness

[frail vessel]

I tried it at Best Buy. Highlights seems saturated and felt untonemapped/tonemapped by luminance

[hollow shuttle]

Is DK worth picking up? I need a game for my unopened Switch 2!

[copper plover]

Yes

It's great

[modern cosmos]

I wasn't sold on it until I spent a good chunk of time in the first actual level. The intro had me feeling super skeptical, but yeah it's great. I have some weirder thoughts on the game, but I need to sit with them some more lol

[sweet geode]

My only criticisms, after the first 3 hours: it’s really easy, it’s a bit too frantic to play for long stretches and the camera can be a bit unwieldy at times (especially after you get super deep or in a tight spot). Otherwise it’s been a ton of fun.

[modern cosmos]

I'll just share them now, even though they may change as I play more. Game kinda feels like it's built for extremely low attention span children. I get an experience that's not terribly dissimilar to scrolling social media. It's hellbent on giving me a dopamine hit every like 10 seconds, and at the end of a session I feel like I had a good time but it's hard to pull anything of value out of the experience. I don't feel like I'm overcoming much of a challenge or experiencing a well built world/narrative or anything, so it's entertaining but kinda empty.

monkey brain light up, maybe that's fitting for DK idk

[sweet geode]

That’s a good point. I’ve gotten a bunch of bananas just super randomly, with no real effort. Others took some focus, though, like one that requires you to be fast in a time trial.

[strange shadow]

do keep in mind that you might not be able to play it on launch firmware

[hollow shuttle]

You mean set up the system and download everything first? Also did most of you purchase the digial version. I still like to have physical copy, im old school that way.

[strange shadow]

if the game was made on firmware 20.0 it will not work on 19.0

doesn't matter if its a cart or digital

[silver lake]

Isn't this kinda a point of games like this? First of all it's a game which main mechanic is literally "smash everything". This game just like Odyssey is designed for you to find something every 30 seconds, there are predesigned "paths" you can follow like if you find and item in a cave you immediately see crack in the wall to find next item. But this is the main fun of games like this

The same like in RDR2 they made sure there are random encounters or quests or something every X meters on the map. It's just a good design of an open world like this where you are encouraged to jus go anywhere and find stuff

the "tiktok generation" probably wouldn't even want to play this game, you actually have to look for stuff and that already might be too much lol

[modern cosmos]

Feels different compared to old collectathons imo, which better differentiated between minor and major rewards.

Odyssey was easily the worst 3D Mario imo

I’m weird with this opinion though

[tardy anvil]

It's the Mario Odyssey syndrome

And they did not need to confirm it was the same team doing Bananza lol

[silver lake]

wow I'd understand an opinion that it wasn't the best 3D mario

that opinion is something else though lol

[tardy anvil]

It absolutely is the worst one lol

[silver lake]

I mean you're the one having unpopular opinion here

[tardy anvil]

They perfected Mario's controls (kinda, more or less...) like never before... only to make us play the most stale and uninspired 3D Mario levels they ever did

Backed up by the most braindead collectathon since DK 64 with the Moons

[silver lake]

I couldn't disagree more

[tardy anvil]

Odyssey's level design is literal light years behind anything even Mario 64 did, and let's not even mention Galaxy 1 and 2

Which again is made so much worse by the fact that Mario controls so well in Odyssey

He's a joy to play

But the content you have to play through is so... easy, not like 3D Mario games were ever hard aside from a few challenge levels, but in the sense that the world is doing more or less nothing to push me to use and exploit the moveset I've been given

After 2-3h, Bananza also plays very well, little camera issues aside, but I am kinda starting to see the multiple collectathons being pushed to my face, as in the game telling me "you really really really should collect these stuff, you know!"

I really hope the next 3D Mario will be done by another team, ideally Wonders' team because these guys really freaking nailed it

[silver lake]

oh god, please no

[tardy anvil]

lol

[silver lake]

It's literally not possible though, people loved Odyssey

and this team behind it has almost a legendary status now I'm pretty sure

[tardy anvil]

(Sadly...)

[silver lake]

there is no shot they take 3D marios from them

[tardy anvil]

Eh, technically Nintendo does not have an issue with switching IPs around teams, just to get new flavors in each iteration

[silver lake]

isn't the Mario Wonder team experienced with 2D games only

[tardy anvil]

Maybe... There was a lot of fresh blood in that team tbh

I'd really prefer if they'd pursue what they did with Bowser's Fury instead in terms of experimentation, rather than Odyssey's approach

[silver lake]

I'm sure there will be a lot of more new stuff and it won't be just more Odyssey

[tardy anvil]

Just... no more of that collectathon BS, please

It's shaping their level design so much it's suffocating

[silver lake]

yeah, no comments from me here

[tardy anvil]

🙂

[silver lake]

I really loved Odyssey

[modern cosmos]

I’d love a new odyssey with things to jump on

At the end of the day that was my issue. Bing bing wahooing my way across empty bland dogshit levels

DK is much better in this regard

[tardy anvil]

Yeah, since I discovered the roll button, I am using that shit a lot lol

Odyssey's transformation mechanic was its downfall in that regard, I believe

[modern cosmos]

Final challenge level was really fun in odyssey

Shame it was the only time they ever explored the mechanics.

[tardy anvil]

These transformations are sometimes mandatory to advance further... all while taking away all player agency regarding how you are supposed to do things, since these transformations usually take away most of your moveset

It's extremely weird, thinking about it again

[strange shadow]

the music was a step back

and I'd totally be down for the wonder team making the next 3d mario

[tardy anvil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMN9r5EX_dQ The game has some catchy stuff alright

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQCpeeMBR20|| That one took me by surprise earlier lol

[strange shadow]

DK

DONKEY KONG

I hope they add it to the music app soon'

[silver lake]

just curious, what gives you the expectation that they'd manage that job? Isn't this kind of like saying, "I'd be totally down for the Cuphead team to make a new Call of Duty game"?

Super Mario Wonder was great, but this is a totally different type of game

and personally, I'd not want 3D Marios to be similar to Wonder in a level design way (because I assume this is what you all mean). Freedom that Odyssey gives you is the best part.

[strange shadow]

iirc the wonder team is the same team who made super mario galaxy

[silver lake]

hmm, according to wiki, Galaxy was made by the Tokyo EAD team, so the same as Odyssey. And Wonder was made by EPD, which I think is the main Nintendo studio which is huge and the team itself, I'd guess, is the Super Mario 2D team

[strange shadow]

rip

[silver lake]

Wonder team is great at making 2D Marios, and I also wouldn't want them to take on a 3D Mario game because I want them to keep doing more 2D Mario in the future

I like 2D Marios for different reasons than 3D marios

Don't really get that argument "make 3D mario more like Wonder"

[strange shadow]

nah I just wanted super mario galaxy 3

[tardy anvil]

Both Odyssey and Wonder were conceived by EPD, after the merge of EAD with another division anyway

The key Galaxy people are definitely not involved in Odyssey from what I just checked

Funnily enough, Miyamoto was just an Executive Producer on Odyssey, contrary to his usual role of being at least Supervisor if not more, when it comes to the big, important games

[silver lake]

I mean, Galaxy is a 2007 game and Odyssey came out a decade later. It's natural that teams change over time, some new people come in, some old ones stay and some leave. But Odyssey was definitely made by Nintendo's top talent and the ones with the most experience in 3D platformers. They're still the go-to team whenever there's a 3D platformer to be made. Downplaying their importance just doesn't make sense to me

[tall horizon]

DK bonanza is so fineeeee

I look for all collectibles before moving on from a layer

its super easy tho, but thats OK

It's a shame they dont use DLSS tho, I hope all future 1st party titles will use it

[median fox]

yeah im having a blast with it

it's nice having a female character with actual personality for once it makes the world feel more real

[hollow shuttle]

this is good to hear i just purchased DK Bonanza tonight as my first Switch 2 game

[tall horizon]

its so adorable when she stars pounding her chest when finishing a layer 😄

[tall horizon]

its a must have for switch 2 players yea

I had a switch 1 in 2017 which I later sold, so I am having a good time replaying some of the backlog now on SW2

[silver lake]

you can do it yourself with a controller in your hand during gameplay and it will activate bananza power btw

[tall horizon]

Without any spilers: Pauline's song is so amazing, it is going to top the pop chsrts for years to come

[tall horizon]

Alright I take back what I said about the game being too easy

once u finish it YOU'll see!

[strange shadow]

yea it gets harder

[frail vessel]

got Bananza, looks autohdr

in some areas HDR blows out more

good game though. not all that important IMO, since HDR here is more for color than tonemapping and all HDR color is fake anyway with bt709 rendering

would look better with real hdr, of course, but i'm playing this in my living room with my kids so not exactly going for filmic here

[modern cosmos]

I await your reaction to canyon layer

[silver lake]

do you like the usage of those colors though? To me it looks really bad even the UI feels weird when HDR is on

[tall horizon]

Bananza is one of the cutest game ever made

its a very solid 9/10 almost 10/10 because of the end credits song

[alpine tundra]

Best Nintendo game since BotW imo

[weak hemlock]

For some reason I'm just not quite vibing with it. I just find the gameplay a bit....mindless

Sorry!

Can't wait for silksong though .

[tall horizon]

it is mindless

ELEPHANT!!!

but the endgame challenges are pretty fun and difficult

[strange shadow]

It seems like Star Wars Outlaws is out in some regions

[austere light]

It is. And it has HDR

[weak hemlock]

Silksong is delightful. Playing on TV and I've decided to stick with the higher res. 60hz plays nicely enough

[strange shadow]

I assume its "real?"

[remote gorge]

Debating on what I want to play it on. I'm not sure what res the 120Hz mode is

[vivid tendon]

1440p tops since sw2 doesn't support 4k120

i assume it's max res, the game is probably piss easy to run

[strange shadow]

yea I'm sure it can do it

[weak hemlock]

Defo appreciate the slighter crisper image on 4K. I would also say it's the best looking game (of the 3 I have!) on the switch 2 screen itself

[weak hemlock]

1080p apparently

https://youtu.be/NmDo9syiNmk?si=fd5YXYENknDSG_t_

[vivid tendon]

huh that's surprising

[austere light]

yes

Unless by "real" you mean ITM

which, no, it's real real

[strange shadow]

nice

[strange shadow]

btw handheld mode is 576p

this is confirmed by checking reshade in an emulator

[modern cosmos]

hell yeah. Good to know the system isn't locked to ITM

[tardy anvil]

Yeah, I was about to say

Does it mean that basically every other game are doing it completely wrong... because why not?

No issues on the OS or APIs side?

[austere light]

I have no idea what the other games are doing

[tardy anvil]

It's 1080p/120fps on both handheld and docked mode? That's weird

Same for Switch 1 being stuck at 720p/60fps in both modes too

[strange shadow]

well like I said earlier handheld mode is 576p

not my screenshot

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164367707500712006/1413243481094357043/image.png?ex=68bb390e&is=68b9e78e&hm=28eedf9d4b8b01fcfe5989b46bbbc46388ceaba8b502eaa7d9d594ec650f1732&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1494&height=1388

[tardy anvil]

So it's the usual El Analista BS? 🙂

[strange shadow]

probably

docked is actually 720p though

[strange shadow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1173177666057273344/1413350129783799888/telegram-cloud-photo-size-2-5321387291048016054-y.jpg?ex=68bb9c61&is=68ba4ae1&hm=5158e3d36a3aaf98e7ea4a63672b5bec769168cd3c01850b114ba18316f1d854&=&format=webp&width=1165&height=898

[alpine tundra]

Fair

https://youtu.be/Ee3dbmDME88?si=YXFSad20o7rHVvWY

Switch 2 version is insane lmao

[austere light]

It's worth noting that a lot of the Steamdeck comparisons are not really apples to apples, because without config file changes, the PC version caps out at 720p internal.

If you were to reduce res further, the deck would fair better. Even if still not on the level of the Switch 2 version.

[strange shadow]

you can match switch 2 settings on pc?

[austere light]

not everything

[strange shadow]

https://youtu.be/XlKCBGzrB1I

[vivid tendon]

very good port all around

congrats to everyone involved

[silver lake]

I like how the cuts in graphics features are so smart and deliberate. Sure, if you compare it side by side with more powerful platforms, the missing details are obvious. But in actual gameplay, probably, it never feels like anything's missing. It's not like the Series S port of Wukong where they just went "let's turn off GI completely". Very cool.

[weak hemlock]

I had such a great time with Outlaws on PC.

And oh man, I just realised there is cross save? I'm getting it

[hollow shuttle]

How is Outlaws HDR on Switch compare to the PC version?

[strange shadow]

^ I assume its the same

[viral sparrow]

▫️Switch 2

[winter merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDvf1gsMgmY

[median fox]

Ooo finally been waiting for more info on this even tho I’m not a big fan of df I’ll still watch it after work

[coarse musk]

Why are you not a big fan of DF besides HDR takes?

Just wondering :)

[median fox]

I don’t like how they talk about nuanced topics like they’re black and white

Also imo they’re just low quality videos and clickbait a lot of the time

I watched that video above and It added nothing to my understanding it was pretty much what I expected already

[austere light]

Idk what DF you're watching lol.

[strange shadow]

Really?

[median fox]

Played pokemon violet recently on my switch 2

it didn't look AS bad as i was expecting tbh

still not great but usable

[strange shadow]

it looks pretty good in pokemon

upsamples to 1440p

[agile berry]

That's using some form of either temporal upsampling or DLSS right?

[vivid tendon]

last pokemon is using dlss on switch 2 yes

as opposed to noAA on switch 1

[median fox]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Switch/comments/1o1b5om/if_pokémon_sword_and_shield_had_switch_2/

the comments all just saying they're the same picture really says a lot

looks like they maybe just added dlss but stil it's very clear there's a difference

[strange shadow]

its kind of funny how instead of taking a screenshot from an emulator

they just opted to probably use some ai upscaler

[median fox]

Oh yeah I didn’t see he just used a “image texture editor”

No wonder it looks like dlss lol

[agile berry]

Wait did that game get an update for Switch 2?

Nvm saw the title of the post

[strange shadow]

so

it seems like the switch 2 sends metadata

and its bad

[modern cosmos]

Huh, Kirby air riders might be native hdr

At the very least it’s not the deep fried special

It’s mostly just effects that are HDR for better or worse

To my eye anyway

[vivid tendon]

sakurai saving nintendo hdr?

[median fox]

[strange shadow]

yea I noticed that too

[agile berry]

Really interesting application of HDR in Air Riders. Seems like the entire scene is kept in SDR range (or whatever you define as paper white in the settings) and only particle effects, important markers, boost pads and grind rails are pushing beyond that so you can easily see what's important

Fantastic application of merging HDR with gameplay if you ask me

Wonder why no other game took this approach so far

Wonder if we could do something similar with reno or luma

[median fox]

That’s how I imagined hdr was implemented before this server

There’d have to be specific shaders for all those things I’d imagine

[agile berry]

Probably yea. If we were to mod in something like this we'd need to very selectively upgrade certain shaders only. Would probably be a nightmare to do lmao

[modern cosmos]

Would be doable yeah, just not super desirable imo. Idk if the game is doing that on purpose, I think it just clipped before and most of the actual lighting is SDR range.

[strange shadow]

yea that's what I was thinking as well jon

[agile berry]

Could definitely be the case

It just looks too deliberate in some cases

What it definitely is is native HDR, no ITM

[alpine tundra]

https://x.com/oatmealdome/status/1988111198080868497?s=46

OatmealDome (@OatmealDome)

[Nintendo Switch 2 System Update]

Version 21.0.0 adds a way to view the peak brightness value when adjusting HDR settings in TV mode.

This change appears to have been mistranslated in the English patch notes, as it says an entirely different setting was changed.

(thanks sky!)

X · Nov 11, 2025, 5:07 AM

https://tenor.com/view/football-amazed-gif-18057007

I just hope values ​​are correct lol

[median fox]

nice

maybe cause kirb air riders

[agile berry]

Industry best practice adoption from Nintendo? That I live to see the day

[vivid tendon]

no paper white value on the 2nd calibration screen

[median fox]

woah calm down there

they can only do so much

[vivid tendon]

the value i counted at release (with Vincent's video) ended up being correct (1060nits)

[austere light]

Considering multiple games are already reporting the correct brightness based on system level calibration, it would have been very impressive if they fucked this up

[vivid tendon]

you never know with nintendo

[soft spruce]

Did they finally add an option to clamp sdr to srgb

On the internal screen

[vivid tendon]

negative

[austere light]

Getting a bit too optimistic now are we

[soft spruce]

Yikes

[vivid tendon]

they did have one for swoled

[austere light]

I would expect that the oversaturation is a feature, not a bug

[soft spruce]

Yea, insane that they removed it lol

[vivid tendon]

switch 1 game icons are so deepfried on the internal screen

[austere light]

I had someone tried to convince me the other day that the switch 2 screen was better than the OLED's

[vivid tendon]

more hz = better

[austere light]

Unfortunately, best I can tell no one ever did proper color testing on the OLED

So we only have HWUB's SW1 vs SW2 numbers

[gilded tangle]

There is a measurement from someone out there, idk where atm.
The OLED Switch has a setting for a BT.709/sRGB gamut clamp and the native display gamut. The clamp was pretty accurate.

[alpine tundra]

Same for me, 800 nits
Vincent did an incredible job

Really curious to test Kirby’s HDR given the feedback here

I’ve completely disabled Switch’s HDR due to their terrible ITM implementation

This need to change

[modern cosmos]

nintendo probably had data that showed that like 95% of users ran it at defaults

it looked horrible, but people like it deep fried

(and also probably didn't even know there was an option)

(also it was poorly named)

[strange shadow]

so

at this point I'm pretty sure the switch 2 is sending metadata

I tested it with the official dock

actually lemme check one more thing

alright I guess windows is sending 800 nit metadata

probably because of sk

bleh I don't feel like plugging the switch dock into a different source

[strange shadow]

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2025/11/kirby-air-riders-looks-to-be-powered-by-bandai-namcos-new-in-house-engine

I guess that's why it has decent hdr support

[rose frigate]

https://youtu.be/4vjs_z9QbFA?si=jj5GzyRpfp6jhaZA&t=196 MP4 HDR gameplay. opefully this was just a bad capture or weird console settings, holy moly

[vivid tendon]

did they ever confirm HDR on switch2?

[sweet geode]

They did today at the end of the overview trailer https://youtu.be/7mBR0H1F5hs

[vivid tendon]

oh ye i just skimmed through that

[sweet geode]

Ignoring the capture for a sec, the voiceover in this is absolutely grating. Just way too affected.

[strange shadow]

they did at the switch 2's reveal

[modern cosmos]

Looking at their other uploads, seems they do fake hdr slop for views

So weird that this is such a thing, it’s not like it even results in big numbers.

[agile berry]

Looks like the capture is SDR and they throw some ITM on it for every video

[median fox]

this is not a thing

im on the version is says

oh wait you have to enable it

what is that brightness setting

i was playing air riders and stuff seemed too dark so i had to bump it up

[mellow wasp]

Vincent's chart covers setting it up for ~200 nits brightness on the second screen

[median fox]

it shows a number now if you enable it so you don't need clicks

whats the second screen mean

[mellow wasp]

general brightness, that's what I meant with the ~200 nits

so use that as your baseline and knock it up a couple more clicks if that's too dim for you

[median fox]

oh okay i was thinking it was like a second display split screen or something lol

[alpine tundra]

https://www.reddit.com/r/kirbyairriders/s/7a7s2qeqkh

Please someone delete Reddit

[modern cosmos]

I'm gonna have to be confined in a padded room after this one

one of the most deep fried games in HDR

[agile berry]

Washed out

[alpine tundra]

💀

Kirby’s HDR is clean actually

Perhaps paper white is a bit too high, but that’s Nintendo games in a nutshell

[modern cosmos]

yeah it looks solid

[agile berry]

Yea looks like the SDR game but uncapped

Also you can define paper-white yourself in the switch settings

[alpine tundra]

There is also brightness settings in the game

[modern cosmos]

yeah, there's a contrast slider even

[alpine tundra]

I’ll try to play with the sliders

[agile berry]

Oh wow really, haven't even looked

[modern cosmos]

or that's what the preview images lead me to believe, I don't know if the preview image is accurate

but all brightness going down looks like a contrast increase

the biggest enemy to HDR really is vivid mode. People just don't know how things are supposed to look

[vivid tendon]

HDR in Mario kart world is beautiful! Try tweaking more. The last switch update made some changes to HDR settings too

[modern cosmos]

being in this server is like forever being walt in the car

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-hank-walter-screaming-walter-yelling-gif-26473309

[alpine tundra]

I’ve tried these settings

I just lowered the first slider and the UI one

There’s a bit more contrast

[vivid tendon]

"i'd take mkw hdr over kirby hdr anyday"
-john df

[alpine tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-arab-idol-reverse-reverse-laugh-reverse-grin-gif-26065260

[sand bough]

I mean

Is it real sun is in sdr

What about unclamped details

[agile berry]

In the first map it is kinda, the other maps fare fine with the sky being bright and all

[modern cosmos]

Shortfuse looked at it. We think it may be getting clamped by LUTs with some effects rendering over them. Some zones look better than others.

[mellow wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhVJ_P6dzFg

[sand bough]

realsies hdr or not

[winter merlin]

mentions good hdr

john, so unsure how trustworthy for hdr

🐸

[sand bough]

the only reference is unclipped details kitzu not "only effects but the sun is sdr" bullcra

please check unclipped details

[vivid tendon]

might as well believe plasma

[sand bough]

good hdr is simple :
Looks like sdr
no gamma mismatch
unclipped details

[winter merlin]

called it top tier HDR implementation

early in the video

[vivid tendon]

bananza is top tier in his book too

while he calls Kirby super bad

[winter merlin]

I'm just reporting

one of the finest HDR presentations in years

standing shoulder to shoulder with the very best

(his words)

(on a tv of course, not on the handheld itself, which is ass)

[vivid tendon]

how many years is "in years"
because we've had aw2 just 2 years ago (and fbc this year...), cod continues to be fine, sony games are good on console, etc

[modern cosmos]

unfortunately john hasn't learned much about HDR over the years. His criteria is just if he likes what he sees, and he has a proclivity for deep fried HDR.

which tbf is fine enough. I'd honestly take that over the kind of pseudo-objective analysis some other channels do

[vivid tendon]

yeah but the issue i have with this is that he doesn't clearly state it's his (and most likely a lot of people's) opinion of hdr
he often talks about hdr as his takes are the plain truth

[modern cosmos]

yeah there is that

[tardy anvil]

That was exactly my concern roooofl

Hard to know whatever that means coming from him

[weak hemlock]

Is the HDR Den take on good HDR (same as SDR but with unclipped highlights) the plain truth?

For me it certainly looks the best - but is there "a truth" at all?

Many many people will like what John likes. Especially on shittier panels

[vivid tendon]

i mean it's certainly the less offensive take

[sand bough]

there is a truth yes

it's the technical/scientific approach

it's like you say earth being a sphere isn't "truth" because some people belive it's flat

I mean come on

they can like their opinion but it doesn't make it true

[austere light]

I mean, the problem with a lot of this is that people don't qualify what they mean in general. 'great hdr' ends up just being vibes which is not great.

Since the crux of the problem is related to artistic intent it's hard to know what exactly the reference point should be though

that being said, fundamentally, if your HDR presentation looks drastically different from your SDR one, something probably went wrong. Because the goal is to give the best possible experience to both types of players, which, in a perfect world, would be building things in HDR and making the SDR look as close as possible.

Any differences between SDR and HDR that are not related to the things SDR physically can not do (higher dynamic range, or wider color gamuts in some rare cases) is probably unintentional. Because if it was intentional in HDR, it would've been mirrored in SDR too.

[strange shadow]

for what its worth I think he did use dtm in bananza

also its kinda odd to see it running at 1440p

[vivid tendon]

2000APL

[strange shadow]

yea

[weak hemlock]

It's nothing like that

[weak hemlock]

Very well put 👍🏻

[sand bough]

What is truth then

[weak hemlock]

We need standards, guidelines, and widely adopted/agreed upon success criteria. The sort of work the HDR Den team are doing with the likes of the wccftech interview is a great start!

But absolutely the RenoDX/HDR Den way must become the truth

In John's defense (DF), he's at least starting to talk about HDR a lot more now. He's clearly taken on feedback on that, since their independence. He mentions it most videos now.

[sand bough]

Well yes

[hollow shuttle]

Anyone picking up Metroid 4 today?

[rose frigate]

I played up to the bit where you meet everyone's favourite, Myles. HGIG on a BX, everything set correctly in that terrible Switch HDR calibration screen. Pretty meh so far, overall scene brightness seems really high. The scene with Myles looks particularly blown out.

[alpine tundra]

Another DF’s shit take ?

[agile berry]

Anyone know if it's just ITM

[vivid tendon]

no in-depth analysis afaict

[vivid tendon]

common HDR John L

[graceful hatch]

Hi! Could you (or anyone) say whether this capture is at least somewhat truthful to what the game looks like out of the console? (And I sure as hell hope it isn't, because my god this is atrocious) https://youtu.be/D7doebVqEfQ

[vivid tendon]

FA Gamez uploads in fake hdr

[graceful hatch]

Ok, I sort of knew the channel wasn't super reliable (hence the question), didn't know it was that bad. I thought this could have been actual HDR capture since there's a brightness setup screen at the beginning of the video. Thanks!

[sand bough]

it always will be, like kirby

[hollow shuttle]

https://youtu.be/4vjs_z9QbFA?si=zV-MMfBLu6IGaf3V

[tardy anvil]

Played the first hour of the game… I am not too sure what to think lol

Such conflicted feelings

[tardy anvil]

And I obviously cannot say for sure, but it looks like a “John approved” HDR implementation to me lol

Likely ITM, or at least has the look of it, outdoor scenes are overall very bright, with barely any range differences

Okay, the default brightness is really too high lol, had to tune it down to 26 instead of 50 out of 100 for the logo to be barely visible anymore

[strange shadow]

it was good until you meet miles

like holy shit I thought I wasn't going to care, but he does genuinely detract from the experience

I do think the 120fps mode is worth using in handheld mode imo

but in docked I feel more mixed about it

[agile berry]

What, Kirby isn't ITM

[sand bough]

Is all clipped

[agile berry]

Idk it doesn't look like that to me at all but I'm not the expert

[modern cosmos]

I don’t think Kirby is ITM. It seems like clamping by LUT sampling

It’s hard to say cause effects after LUTs would be weird

Someone with an HDR capture card would need to get some examples

[sand bough]

Itm not itm, is just not hdr

Gib hdr jon

Realsies

[tardy anvil]

So that’s the thing, as much as he’s a net negative overall… That’s not what’s bothering me the most I think

The whole progression/level design feels… weirdly dry

As much as Metroid games are linear, the key was always trying to make it so it looks like you have agency as a player, even though it’s just one single path really

But here, it feels… really really linear somehow lol

And without much flair too

[sweet geode]

I felt like Dread was pretty linear too. Was the first Metroid game where I didn't get lost at all (not a compliment)

[modern cosmos]

This was a common criticism with Metroid Dread as well, but tbh I didn't feel it so much (I'm a dummy and got lost still)

how would you compare the two?

[tardy anvil]

Dread checked almost all the marks for me in comparison haha

It actually felt like a 2D Metroid of its era, updated in all the right ways almost

After 3-4h, and I know it might sound harsh, Prime 4 can sometimes feels like a patchwork of levels from 1 or 2 that did not really reach the proper level of quality and got rejected

Like I said there’s something weird about playing the game, and it’s not like the nostalgia of this formula or whatever is not affecting me anymore or something, I played the entire series again since the beginning of the year, and it went great as expected

Here… I dunno

[modern cosmos]

I'm anxious about playing this lol

my copy arrived yesterday, but I was sick as a dog so I didn't play

gonna start it sometime today

[tardy anvil]

Also, when people say the gameplay feels the same as Prime 1, they are not joking lol

It’s really a 1:1 copy, and the psychic powers are not moving the needle nearly enough

[modern cosmos]

I've only ever finished prime 1. Prime 2 never hooked me...

prime 2 just makes me want to play prime 1 again

[tardy anvil]

Dread had that total makeover of the movements, and it just felt sooo good playing Samus

[modern cosmos]

dread was a fucking amazing game to me

one of the best feeling games ever made

[tardy anvil]

It really was great yeah

Here, it feels like they did not remotely try to modernize that formula

I have a feeling we’ll learn about the likely very troubled development of the game in due time lol

[modern cosmos]

well we know it was troubled on account of the whole canceling it and restarting thing

surely they didn't throw out everything

[tardy anvil]

As much as people were going kyaaaaa about Retro doing the game, I always kept in mind that these people are not the same that did the original

Oh and to be clear

That desert + bike is as useless and void of any meaning as we could have imagined lol

That is the one big part where I went ?????

It’s literally just a massive (almost) empty space that connects that different levels and that you have to traverse everytime

Why would anyone think this is a good idea in 2025, don’t ask me

[tardy anvil]

And it also kind link back to that idea of a patchwork I mentioned above

It does not feel organic in the slightest

Just to be clear, it’s not a bad game or anything, it’s just not remotely reaching (for now) the heights of Prime 1-2, or even 3

[vivid tendon]

jason will bless us with a super lengthy article in 2 years 🙏🏻 (or maybe even before)

[tardy anvil]

I’m really waiting for it lol

And I am sure Nintendo was aware, given how little promotion it gets (compared to something like Kirby that got multiple deep dives and stuff, Prime 4 always stayed at surface level stuff, and only the last few months despite for how long the project was in development) and how they very carefully avoided showcasing any of the problematic parts

Even Dread got a more meaningful and in-depth promotion campaign lol

And that one was supposed to be the Hail Mary of the franchise, not the return of the prodigal son

[modern cosmos]

That’s the most confusing part. The bad parts are straight up conceptually bad. I don’t know how they even get started in dev if they also know that it’s a bad idea

[tardy anvil]

Yup

[modern cosmos]

The bike stuff could have been cool. Like, hyrule field isn’t all that interesting, but it’s an important part of making it feel like a place.

But if it’s just a big desert it’s not gonna succeed at that.

Maybe idk, I’ll have to see how I feel about it.

But previous Metroid games also succeeded at that without having big empty spaces lol.

[tardy anvil]

I really like the comparison with Hyrule Fields, because people defending the desert tends to trip over themselves on this one lol

[mellow wasp]

you should have zoomed around the desert as a hyper speed morphball instead of on a motorbike, that would have been funnier at least

[modern cosmos]

Levels interconnected with Haste gameplay

Or Exo One

[tardy anvil]

HF was something that had to come after LTTP and its (double) massive, sprawling overworld on the SNES, so it made sense they’d want you to get a sense of that for the first time in 3D

But in 2025, you cannot do HF anymore for obvious reasons

Yet they did… and kinda worse because it’s way too big and even more empty in a way lol

It’s just a baffling choice

[modern cosmos]

Yeah I mean it works in OOT to this day I feel, but it doesn’t work great in Twilight Princess so much.

But OOT was very clever with hyrule field

[tardy anvil]

Not as much yes, but at least it’s more interesting/pretty to traverse and you actually have things that happen in there lol

[modern cosmos]

Now I think something like this could even be cool in Metroid lmao

[tardy anvil]

I really don’t think it’s the case here

[modern cosmos]

If Samus can become a ball then samus can become a disc

[tardy anvil]

It’s barren barren

[modern cosmos]

Oof

[tardy anvil]

And you collect green energy crystals

lol

[modern cosmos]

Is the music good at least?

[tardy anvil]

It’s fine, yes

[modern cosmos]

I can vibe out to some music at least

[tardy anvil]

Not Prime 1 groundbreaking obviously, but it’s good

[modern cosmos]

In the desert specifically I meant btw

[tardy anvil]

Ah

Uh

Kinda I guess lol

[mellow wasp]

so far I think the game's okay, but it's only reviewed 7/10 - 8/10 because it has Metroid Prime in the title and you could easily deduct a point or two if this was some random other release

[tardy anvil]

I am sort of shutting my brain off in these sections rofl

No Phendrana boogy so far

Nor Chozo

Nor Magmoor

But again, that’s be an extremely unfair comparison lol

And I was not going in expecting Prime 1 quality, that’d just be unhealthy expectations

[modern cosmos]

Yeah nor will I

I’m scared of the HDR

[tardy anvil]

It’s less bad than I expected when I actually tuned the brightness

On my LG C2 (800nits), HGiG with the Switch 2 properly calibrated, it was waaay too bright at the default 50 value

I tuned it down to 26, and now it’s where it’s supposed to be according to the menu

It’s funny because if you switch off HDR, then the game because super dark in SDR with that value lol

[tropic mountain]

Fwiw digital foundry called it one of the best implementations they’ve seen in years

The highlights are nice but I’m fighting w/ a ton of black crush

[modern cosmos]

does it seem like native HDR?

[tropic mountain]

Pretty sure it is, yeah

[tardy anvil]

It also has modern day brainrot as it cannot let me look for how to get into a room for more than 30secs without displaying on the top of the screen what I should “try”

Same thing with Myles telling you by comms lol

It just feels so unnecessary for such a game

[modern cosmos]

that's depressing af

actual worst thing to add to a metroidvania

can you disable it?

[mellow wasp]

you can disable tutorial pop-ups, but I think that's going to disable the first time explanation stuff as well

it loves to instantly remind you about a specific power where you can use telekinesis on a morphball bomb whenever the need to use one in that fashion comes up

[modern cosmos]

this is so weird. It's unlike basically anything Nintendo has made

where did this AAA-ification come from

[tardy anvil]

I was wondering about that and I think you’re right

Next time I see one of these dumbass clues, I’ll try disabling the option to see if it makes a difference

[tardy anvil]

I was not saying this yesterday for no reason lol #1382389414050922570 message

[modern cosmos]

I didn't watch the DF video, is the game using DLSS on switch 2?

(I suppose that would be tough to achieve with a 120 fps mode so probably not....)

[tropic mountain]

Nah, it’s a flat 1080p in performance mode, and 1440p in “4k” mode, with certain parts (the HUD, I think Samus’ gun) rendering at native 4k

[tropic mountain]

It’s insane, there one part where you download the map and open a door, get a ping for where you should go next, then immediately afterwards an NPC chimes in with “hey you just opened that door! Next head down to the engine room, check your map for the location”

[tardy anvil]

Not at all

It’s SMAA at best

[tardy anvil]

Exactly, like literally right now on me lol

Disabling the tutorials does disable such messages actually

But obviously that will make you disable everything

[mellow wasp]

really should have limited the heavy handed guiding to easy difficulty

[tardy anvil]

Or just have a separated Assist Messages option or something

[mellow wasp]

yeah, even better

[modern cosmos]

hopefully we'll get an update

[vivid tendon]

no but the df footage looked aight wrt edges

[tardy anvil]

It’s not as crisp as I was expecting actually

If it’s actually 4K, it really could have used some proper AA

DLSS would have been a godsend

[vivid tendon]

quality mode is 1440p with smaa sprinkled on top

[tardy anvil]

On that topic, this ||triple bike tutorial just… had no place existing in the Prime series, what were they freaking thinking…||

[tardy anvil]

So when they say 4K, it’s just the output signal?

[vivid tendon]

yeah, with 4k hud only

[tardy anvil]

Mkay

[mellow wasp]

it felt like it was from a different era, even down to the way the camera looks back at you afterwards and you press A to continue like it was a PS2 racing game

[tardy anvil]

It felt like some ||FF7 chocobo race rooofl||

Why would eeeever do that

[tardy anvil]

To answer that question, there’s actually no music most of the time in the desert overworld lol

[mellow wasp]

I saw a post and I've no idea if it's true, but it said you need to scan the motorbike amiibo to get music on the bike in the desert because it unlocks a jukebox feature

[hollow shuttle]

If I’m not mistaken the art director of Battlefield V left DICE to work on Metroid Prime 4. Is it it worth picking up? Skill Up on YouTube didn’t like it.

[vivid tendon]

https://www.ign.com/wikis/metroid-prime-4-beyond/Amiibo_Functionality,_Rewards,_and_Unlocks seems like jukebox is amiibo-only for now

[vivid tendon]

HUD is apparently displayed at peak brightness

or close to it

it's g*mingtech but look at the 98 from the visor lol

[tardy anvil]

🤔 🤔 🤔

[tardy anvil]

As an added bonus, you will also unlock a Jukebox function for the Vi-O-La bike, which will become available after completing the Volt Forge. When driving through Sol Valley, you'll be able to access different music themes while driving.

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-anime-mental-breakdown-on-floor-gif-27026753

[vivid tendon]

In addition, after completing the game, you'll also unlock two more themes for the jukebox, taken from the main title theme's of the Metroid games:

Metroid Prime Theme
Metroid Prime 4 Theme

who would even drive around the desert after finishing the game just to hear Prime 1's theme

just go on youtube

[tardy anvil]

mfw it’s a self aware insert

“We know what you wanted, but it’s not there, get fucked lol”

[tardy anvil]

Man, that open desert area makes even less sense when you realized the game is lying to you lol

When you first have access to the bike in the desert, Myles tells you to go to one of the three other main areas to get the keys, in any order you want

Except it’s a lie, since you cannot enter two of the three without an upgrade you can from the previous areas

So it’s actually fully linear (and Myles is purposefully telling you to check out that particular area first…), and that world structure makes no sense

[short oxide]

Is Metroid 4 itm

[vivid tendon]

very much looks like it

[short oxide]

Then I must come from a different planet, why is John from DF basically praising it as the best thing since sliced bread.

[prisma wharf]

digital foundrys good understanding of most tech and their complete lack of understanding of good HDR is wild

need to get alex battaglia im here

[austere light]

he is in here lol

[tardy anvil]

It might be tbh

I’m in a room that’s flooded with harsh highlights, and a bit of a difference aside, said highlights are nearly as blown out in HDR as in SDR

SDR vs HDR

As you can kinda see, nothing groundbreaking

[tardy anvil]

Because he historically has horrifying taste when it comes to HDR lol

It tends to boil down to the brighter and the more “””vibrant””” the colors are, the better

[prisma wharf]

I thought that was old john not you g john

honestly if you like hdr woth blwo out highlights ITM is pretty good but on PC only

I still prefer ITM to no HDR contrary to most people in here

@tardy anvil always remember all of SK creaming over gears 5 and when we get an expert on it in here its one of the worst implementations haha

[tardy anvil]

🤷‍♂️

[tardy anvil]

It really depends, it’s not the end of the world on Prime 4 and it does help here and there on some fire, energy, electric thing to be a bit more attractive compared to SDR

But on other games like Bananza in particular as it’s been discussed before, it’s downright distracting in certain stages

[modern cosmos]

Really just comes down to how much clipping there is

[tardy anvil]

Oh my god Myles just told me exactly where to go next and why as I was barely starting to wonder what I should do

Fuuuck that

[modern cosmos]

[short oxide]

I mean to say "the finest HDR presentations I've seen in years, standing shoulder to shoulder with the very best" sounds nuts to me but maybe he has only seen Dying light HDR.

[modern cosmos]

That’s the kind of HDR he’d love

Idk if he ever said anything about it

[hollow shuttle]

I gather everything is mid at best with the game?

[tardy anvil]

That’d be a bit mean lol

[prisma wharf]

I really wanted him to name some titles. There are only a handful with near perfect HDR out of the box. I actually can't think of any that are perfect the two that come to mind are diablo 4 and marvels guardians which both need BFF and then they are pretty much perfect to me

I mean obviously Alan Wake 2, but it's very subdued purposely

[short oxide]

@prisma wharf I think he likes Mario Kart World HDR lol

[strange shadow]

yea I see what you mean

[strange shadow]

it does have mouse mode though

also

it might be important to specify that it feels the same as prime remastered

since the gc original and wii version would feel different

[agile berry]

Real cool they took the Metroid game loop out of Metroid

[rose frigate]

Just finished the Volt Forge. Genuinely thought I was still in the tutorial but I guess that was actually the 2nd out of 5 dungeons...?

[soft spruce]

Nerrel says HDR is fake again

we assumed it as such already

[agile berry]

Yea it does seem to be ITM

[soft spruce]

but he has some hdr captures over on his discord

[soft spruce]

shame..

[vivid tendon]

"shoulder to shoulder with the best HDR implementations of the last few years"

i wonder how effective it would be to provide this footage in DFcord

[short oxide]

Is this all for some upcoming video "The Nintendo Switch 2 HDR is garbage"

[modern cosmos]

Cool lol

[soft spruce]

probably not lol

just an eventual prime 4 one

[weak hemlock]

John sure does need educating on this

[sweet geode]

Yeah someone needs to try

[modern cosmos]

It’s been brought up before and he wasn’t interested iirc

[sweet geode]

I’m not going to pretend to be an expert but I also know where my knowledge is high and low and don’t loudly proclaim things to be good without knowing for sure. Just a weird attitude to say no to being smarter when you’re in the public eye like that.

[modern cosmos]

Finally booted up Metroid. It’s pretty obviously itm just looking at the flames when the game starts

Seems decent as far as ITM goes though

Brightness slider might be gamma

Might have gamma mismatch

Yeah I’m pretty certain it does

[short oxide]

Exactly, he has a massive youtube channel to spread BS information and now it's everywhere.

[modern cosmos]

I don’t have capture gear so grain of salt since I’m just comparing modes on my TV.

So I guess it’s doing all the wrong things but has an art style that carries it in HDR

Lowering brightness creates posterization artifacts in shadows, not a good solution for the gamma mismatch

[sweet geode]

The gamma mismatch absolutely needs to be called out, as prevalent as it seems to be nowadays.

[modern cosmos]

@soft spruce Since you asked ^

[soft spruce]

thanks!

pretty sad

[modern cosmos]

Disgusting amount of clipping

[mellow wasp]

it can look alright in some interiors, but it's especially horrible when you're outside

John saying Kirby had terrible HDR and Prime 4 has fantastic is a crazy take

Kirby might have its own issues, but I'd take that any day over this

[sand bough]

they are both sdr clipped

[mellow wasp]

the demo track(s) looked fine in the Kirby trial, but I haven't seen the full game

[tardy anvil]

“Glad” to see I was not wrong lol

[alpine tundra]

Same

[modern cosmos]

Damn this 120 fps mode is awesome

It’s my clear preference here

Does performance hold up as you progress?

(Also I can understand how John loved the HDR here, the art is so fucking good and even ITM looks fine enough with it).

[tardy anvil]

It does, yes

I switched to it at about half of the game, not looking back

[modern cosmos]

On account of no motion blur, it just looks so much better to me

The res hit doesn’t hurt too bad

[austere light]

that's what the blurry screen is for you see

[modern cosmos]

Haven’t seen much else reduced with that mode either

The thought of playing this game on the switch 2 screen is downright repulsive to me.

I’d rather not play it

[strange shadow]

yea

[strange shadow]

I kinda prefer the quality mode

in handheld I prefer performance

[modern cosmos]

I’m not super resolution sensitive playing on my TV. Probably cause I’m near sighted lol

[strange shadow]

are you using the mouse mode?

[tardy anvil]

Good lord, that was some shit ending rooofl

Mfw the gallery is betraying the fact they likely wanted them to be included but there’s actually none aside from the one you see in the intro of the game lol

Why is it called “Metroid” “Prime”, I have no idea

Maaaan that is an unfinished and/or rushed game if I ever saw one 😂

It’s really… not a bad game per se at all, it had some genuinely good moments, like the pocket where you are actually alone, with no one accompanying you or talking to you…

But it’s all loosely connected by the least enjoyable world, in terms of structure, of a Metroid game I can remember (Other M could be worse, I obviously haven’t replayed that pile of garbage for such a long time).

Add to it one of the most baffling item upgrade/progression (in terms of pacing and placement) in a Metroidvania.

Sprinkle on top of it the most ridiculously forced collectathon in recent memory with the green crystals… but also more generally the fact that they made the different elemental shots now using their own consumable, just so that they can bloat the amount of things to do/collect…

And obviously your usual reminder that Metroid is a franchise absolutely cursed in terms of writing and no one should even attempt to write a dialogue in such games (seriously, the whole narrative aspect of the game is insaaanely bad, Sylux will go down in history as one of the shittiest antagonists ever in a game)

[short oxide]

@tardy anvil Do you agree with the 80 metascore.

[tardy anvil]

Might be because I just finished it and it’s still fresh, but no

That’d be too high imo

60 in its most egregious moments, 70 in its best, so I’d settle in the middle lol

(Not taking into account that 75-80 on metacritic will contain any game from mid to good)

A 80 would Prime 3 for me, I guess

And it’s definitely not as good as Prime 3

And sure as hell not as 1-2 lol

[mellow wasp]

I hope we get a 2 remake at the same quality of Prime Remastered

[tardy anvil]

Hot take, I am very well within the side of people that prefer that something stays “dead” so that we won’t risk… this lol

Prime 2-3 remastered sure, I guess

Because they don’t have to provide anything but the art/tech

[short oxide]

I've yet to read through the reviews but lets see how many trash the game while giving it a 9/10.

[tardy anvil]

But here, they showed that aside from monkeying (and not that successfully) a decades old formula with virtually nothing new, if not downright regressing, they did fuck all with visors for example

We didn’t get much

Again, it’s an okay-to-fine game, with flaws I know I’ve have never tolerated if it was not called Metroid Prime 4

And I’d have preferred to keep a more pristine memory of that franchise, if possible

[short oxide]

Is the mclovin npc that bad lol

[tardy anvil]

He is, not because of his character (although that still has no place in a Metroid game), but because he's the one constantly telling you where to go or do next the moment you are not doing the "right" thing for more than 2-3 minutes

I think I'l get myself a drink rooofl

I usually have so few chances to be disappointed because I tend to not except much of a given game most of the time, very few exceptions aside, and that was one of these

[short oxide]

This seems to be a common thing, it must be in the Nintendo commandments.

1. Assume all players are idiots

[tardy anvil]

Well, I don't really agree

Directing players to their objective was already a thing in Prime 1, 23 years ago

If you were struggling, the game tended to indicate you an elevator or a path that you likely didn't explore yet

but

It was not nearly as fast, and simply not that often (literally one clue, and after that you are on your own, it's not constantly repeated)

I can't remember if Prime 1 on GC had that option, but Prime Remastered has a dedicated option to disable these navigations clues, even

But not 4

Not without disabling all messages, including tutorials when you get a new item

Which is... again, baffling

And in Prime 1 it felt a lot more understandable that after some time, the game could give you a little cue, given how you could actually get lost in its sprawling, interconnected world

Here? There is just no way to be lost, as far as I am concerned

It's neither sprawling not interconnected lol

[strange shadow]

damn that sucks

at least dread was good

[tardy anvil]

Dread was great lol

If you had told me years ago that the new mainline 2D Metroid by MercurySteam of all studios would be that great, and that we had waited all this time for Prime 4 by Retro for it to be just good, I’d not have believed you

[modern cosmos]

I'm liking this game so far on its own terms, but as a metroid prime game it's falling short

(says guy who's played all of 1 and loves it, a few hours of 2, and never touched 3 lol)

[prisma wharf]

the fucking millennial writting characters ive seen are so bad

the gane doesnt even need fucking NPCs

like certainly not voice acted ones

OMagherrdd are you da real samussss

I swear millenial and maybe gen z writers try to make everything marvel tongue in cheek garbo

[modern cosmos]

I probably would have had a more severe reaction to the writing had I not been warned by the previews. I was expecting the absolute worst and what I've experienced so far isn't quite that, so I'm enjoying the good stuff that is here

[prisma wharf]

yeha i just dont understand why they did it

[modern cosmos]

yeah it's baffling

no human being has ever thought metroid needed this stuff

idk where the idea came from

[prisma wharf]

like honestly i think zelda with voiced orotags is also worse even though its way more subtle

voiced npcs**

Its kinda nice just reading text i dunno

lole you're nintendo

leav the voiced mocap characters to the rest thats not your wheelhouse

[tardy anvil]

cough cough Sakamoto cough cough Other M cough cough

[modern cosmos]

I will say that, at least in the first 2 hours or so, it's kinda staggering how high quality the game is. Like it's dense with high production value content. That strength is also a bit of a weakness for a metroid game because it also kinda falls short in the core metroidvania department

[prisma wharf]

yeah i played like the intro so far makes me want to play remastered hah

[modern cosmos]

but as an experience I'm really enjoying it. I just also imagine how much better it would be if myles shut the fuck up lol

[prisma wharf]

PC might have nice modding soon we will see

maybe can mute that fuck

[modern cosmos]

other than knowing that people hate it, I know next to nothing about other m tbh. I pretty much entirely checked out of nintendo during the Wii. I fucking hated motion controls

[prisma wharf]

I've legit played 3 to completion all 2ds

i played like 1/3 of prime using primehack

dread, and the two excellent gba titles

dread js my fave though for real

[tardy anvil]

Good, stay that way

[modern cosmos]

I'll have to check it out someday...I'm curious to know

[tardy anvil]

Are you, though

[modern cosmos]

I am but there's also a never ending supply of games to check out so we'll see haha

I'm certainly not jumping into it before I finish prime 2 and 3

[prisma wharf]

dread is kinda like a rehash of Metroid fusion but better imo

maybe one too many robot chase sections in dread

[tardy anvil]

It’s called a sequel 😛

[prisma wharf]

ita fire af ive wanted to emulate it i beat it on swotch 1 its probably peak at 4k with ITM

[modern cosmos]

it and prime remastered are games I'd like to add HDR to

not sure when I'll get around to it though

[sand bough]

The quoicoubix characters were written by @tardy anvil just sayin

[short oxide]

Sweet jesus what is with all the "Metroid 4 has the best HDR ever" I feel sick.

[alpine tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1207317261053071360/1447260251047989268/image.png?ex=6936f9a4&is=6935a824&hm=e0156ef21e2cf9c864f892bd8a613be0bbedae75fb7f758d137e2e46d088f513&

[short oxide]

Good god

This all from that DF guys opinion.

[modern cosmos]

DF has a lot of influence in public perception of anything rendering.

They’re largely responsible for people thinking Ori and Gears 5 HDR are also standouts

[austere light]

The unwashed masses yearn for ITM

[modern cosmos]

The people want their SDR white to be 1000+nits

[austere light]

Interestingly, GamingTech realized it's ITM

Still said it was amazing though

HDR innit

[short oxide]

How do you fix the unwashed masses

[sweet geode]

You wash* ‘em

*educate

Honestly we need good videos showing good vs bad HDR in games. Plainly stated with examples

[modern cosmos]

Oh did he? That’s a pleasant surprise

[austere light]

Yeah. He points out a lot of the issues in his video (didn't manage to diagnose gamma mismatch, but did recommend reducing brightness, which incidentally seems to be gamma), But with those tuned settings he still said it looks amazing, despite not having any extra detail

[modern cosmos]

It also doesn’t properly fix the gamma mismatch, and causes artifacts in shadows

“Yeah it’s doing literally everything wrong but game pretty” is such an annoying recommendation.

It’s an endorsement of the art, not the HDR.

Do people not realize they can get this in all their games by using the fake hdr modes on their TVs?

[alpine tundra]

Even RTX HDR with proper sliders would be much better

I’m so disappointing

[modern cosmos]

The people yearn for everythingoled recommendations but have already been told that tv sliders are cringe.

[vivid tendon]

bright = good

[short oxide]

What's the best example

[vivid tendon]

control, aw2, recent cod games, ff16, sony first party games on console, gt7

all very good implementations

[short oxide]

Thanks

[copper plover]

Is there a good explanation of proper HDR anywhere

[modern cosmos]

The part in Metroid prime 4 where you don’t simply get the upgrade but have to bring it back to an annoying npc to then give you the upgrade is some serious stupidity. Straight up feels like playtime padding

Does this happen often?

Nvm it’s become clear the game will do this at least two more times

[weak hemlock]

Yeah I think the game is a hard pass tbh.

[alpine tundra]

I’m a bit disappointing by the game right now

Mackenzie is just so annoying

And the Metroidvania part seems a bit weak ?

[sand bough]

et voila quand on day one du slop pour faire tourner le hardware de roumain

[alpine tundra]

Heureusement que Kirby est là

[sand bough]

hmm j'ai un backlog de 3000 banger a faire ?

je vais day uno du slop bidetendo

!!!

[alpine tundra]

Après ça se revend

[sand bough]

a 80 euros ttc

[alpine tundra]

[sand bough]

🤓

[alpine tundra]

Nn

50 balles monsieur

[modern cosmos]

Oh yeah, god damn you were not kidding. There’s fucking no music out here. Baffling.

[tardy anvil]

Four times, I think

Once for every beam, as well as another time

And yes, peak brainrot

Padding padding padding padding

[modern cosmos]

It’s a pretty stark difference when up until the moment you’re done with the second dungeon the game is just funneling you through high quality content. After that it feels like they’re just wasting my time but not in the fun metroidvania way.

[tardy anvil]

You misspelled “close to non existent” lol

[tardy anvil]

I’d like to disagree a bit regarding the “funneling you through high quality content” tbh 😛

||Volt Forge is too riddled with these flying mechs that you’ll fight a lot throughout the game, they always feel like bullet sponges with almost no feedback to what you do to them, and as you backtrack that area, the game turns each room into an arena against these fucks||

||And that fucking FF7-like bike tutorials for what should have been the final tower… please…||

[modern cosmos]

That bike tutorial felt like it belonged in a different game lol

[tardy anvil]

||And the ice base is technically the best, if only the game was not forcing you to scan shit left and right to find “keys” in the most random places, but until you light up the generator it feels kinda close to be Prime-like as you’d have hoped, then you turn said generator up and while it finally adds music, it also lit up the whole thing and most rooms becomes an arena fight against a pack of grievers…||

[tardy anvil]

That shit took me by surprise so much… and not in a good way

And it’s a clear sign of that global “we have no idea what to do/we had not enough time (somehow, after so long)/…” I mentioned before

The game is clearly putting emphasis on that tower, bigger that the two others, you’d expect a step up in the level design and/or difficulty as it leads to the boss, and… they do this

It makes zero sense

[modern cosmos]

I actually really like the level design of that tower, despite it still falling short in metroidvania terms

[tardy anvil]

The final one, you mean?

[modern cosmos]

No, I’m not done yet

[tardy anvil]

There’s basically no level in it besides the bike stages tbh, and then the boss room haha

[modern cosmos]

Oh I just mean that whole area of towers lol

[tardy anvil]

Yeah I mean it’s fine, it’s just kinda too samey looking inside, the structure is basically always that same elevator —> arena room —> room where to have to find a way to get to that next elevator —> rinse and repeat until you are at the bottom

It’s not the worst, but… eh

It’d have been a lot more interesting to be outside much more tbh

The whole environment begs for it

[modern cosmos]

I enjoyed the “bike factory” angle of it

Though it’s a concept that has been done better many times before

[tardy anvil]

Well for me again, it’s fine, but it should have been extended past that idea

Basically, you can do that in the first tower… but not the second one once again

It should have been something different 100%, just for variety’s sake

[modern cosmos]

Yeah that’s fair

[tardy anvil]

Not using that exterior environment with all the storms and lightning strikes is a freaking crime lol

[strange shadow]

well I guess I'll go back to red dead

[rose frigate]

I feel like John might be single-handedly doing more to misinform people about HDR than literally anyone on the planet, lol

He's basically pulling the HDR equivalent of "runs fine on my machine" constantly, except to a platform of 1 million+ people who would otherwise know better

Who then parrot this over and over again... like the number of positive comments I've seen about the HDR in MP4 on their videos, Resetera, etc. is crazy. There's hundreds and hundreds of them! And they're all wrong! I beat the game, the HDR is bad!

[modern cosmos]

It would be like them saying Elden Ring has some of the best graphics in a long time just cause they made something that looks nice with some dogshit tech. It’s a shame they don’t have an eye for this.

[winter merlin]

at least elden ring hdr is pretty good (imho)

and the art is excellent!

[tardy anvil]

The fact they managed to pull off one of the most monstrous art direction ever with that engine and tech (same with Bloodborne before) will never fail to blow me away lol

[modern cosmos]

yeah lol

[tardy anvil]

Yet it’s really one those things where you wonder how much of that quality exists because of how “limited” their tech was and how much more they had to push the envelope artistically 😄

[winter merlin]

playing bloodborne right now on pc

first time too

it looks so good (with CA and FXAA disabled) at 4k60

[tardy anvil]

Depending on which side of the bed I woke up from, it’s either one of the, or the best art direction I’ve ever seen in a game, partly because it checks a lot of personal boxes

[winter merlin]

they cooked with the ||moonlight gs|| in this game

[tardy anvil]

They cooked from the beginning to the end

[azure brook]

i see no signs of HDR. But it's possible they applied some SDR to HDR conversion while editing this video?

[azure brook]

i mean this is probably true when you compare it to oother switch games

[winter merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDEomvX0YjM

[strange shadow]

yea

one other thing is the switch 2 does send false metadata

it happens on the offical dock too

[median fox]

Idk why it doesn’t just display peak brightness automatically I had to select a button to show it

[modern cosmos]

If a consumer sees a number they might implode on the spot

[winter merlin]

https://bsky.app/profile/wario64.bsky.social/post/3malq32chur2g

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[weak hemlock]

Ninja Gaiden Ragebound is very good

[coarse musk]

Is their any good examples of hdr on switch 2 even in handheld mode?

IIRC the handheld screen caps at 400 peak

Or is it all auto/ITM for the games out rn

And also I know the handheld is LCD and not OLED which is a bummer

[austere light]

Outlaws is true HDR, but that doesn't fix the screen

[vivid tendon]

ac shadows should be true too

[coarse musk]

Ahh gotcha. Sucks that the first party games aren’t really getting the same treatment.

I was playing the switch 2 version of BOTW and I swear the HDR is hardly noticeable except when an explosion happens on screen

[sand bough]

Even on a miniled display i couldn't see botw hdr

Ff7r and elden ring would be native hdr without gamma mismatch

[vivid tendon]

oh yeah ff7r too

has a demo also

[coarse musk]

FF7R gives you the HDR options when in handheld which is??

[coarse musk]

It’s okay, the hair has a lot of noise

[vivid tendon]

they likely didn't disable a lot of the dithering from the original versions, unlike what Luma did for its DLSS integration

so dlss ends up sharpening the dithering patterns and it looks ugly