✅RenoDX: The Witcher 3

[unique cliff]

Yeah, i mean its not bad if you need the perf bump for sure

But I dont need it, as long as the game doesnt go crazy with the VRAM I have locked 60 even in Novigrad

The problem is that VRAM management thing, so annoying. Such a bad port

[soft flame]

So theres no fix for the memory leak except having 32gb vram lol?

[unique cliff]

Im trying more tweaks to that ini fix, maybe being more aggresive will work at the cost of texture quality

But yeah, 32vram or lower game resolution to 1440p probably

Or live with it and reload a save every time it happens

I think it should only happen in Novigrad tho, I don´t think theres another place in the game as demanding. So it's just for this portion of the game, still VERY annoying, but whatever

In case anyone comes into this and wants to try the fix, this is it and how I´ve set it up

The setting to play with is ForceCustomMipBias=-1.4

In Ultra textures the game sets it to -1.0 and in Ultra+ at -2.0

The lower the number the higher the texture quality and VRAM usage in theory. -2.0 is the max

I tried at -1,4 and there´s not a big quality loss, but there is a noticeable one nontheless. Still pretty good tho

Might need to go to -1.0 if I get the issue again. Will test more tomorrow

[soft flame]

What’s this setting set at default?

[unique cliff]

Dropping to ultra instead of ultra+ could also help, the only thing that changes is the streaming method. Ultra+ is more aggresive and can cause more stutter afaik

[unique cliff]

Just told you. -1.0 at ultra and -2.0 at ultra+

[soft flame]

Oh it scales with the in-game setting I see

[unique cliff]

Yup

Well that´s what I read while researching this

I cant 100% vouch for that tho

[soft flame]

Is ultra+ even a big enough jump from ultra?

[unique cliff]

Quality is the same afaik, just streaming method changes

Textures are loaded in 4K in both, high goes down to 2K

Have you been having these random fps drops too?

[soft flame]

So ultra+ streams the textures faster / farther?

[unique cliff]

I think so, yes

[soft flame]

I get fps drops whenever I open and close menu for like a sec then it goes back to normal, it’s weird

[unique cliff]

Yeah I have that too, vanilla behaviour xD

This port is abhorrent. Looks good, but is so half baked

Kinda insane they didnt even bother to fix it and got all celebratory for the 10th aniversary lol

[soft flame]

Well I’ll lower it to ultra then if that’s the case, seems overkill when I can allocate more resources towards better RT and shit

[unique cliff]

It wont give you more fps tho

Just a bit more stability perhaps

[soft flame]

Oh hmm

Are u using framegen?

[unique cliff]

If i keep getting this shit I might have to drop down to high too 😭

[unique cliff]

Noup, works like shit for me in this game in my 60hz tv

In Cyberpunk works surprisingly well tho, so again its probably a meh implementation in this case

[soft flame]

Framegen is the only thing keeping my game from looking like a slideshow xd

[unique cliff]

Im using a custom dlss resolution at 45%

I get 65-70fps average, in some areas even 80

[soft flame]

That works better than DLSS ultra performance mode?

[unique cliff]

Ultra performance is 35% so yes

or 33%, dont remember

[soft flame]

And u’re using dlss4 right?

[unique cliff]

From 4K 45% is 972p

[unique cliff]

Yes

What graphics card do u have?

[soft flame]

4090 laptop gpu

I think thats like 3070 desktop performance or smth

[unique cliff]

Ohhhh ok yeah a 3070 will struggle quite a bit in this version of the game

[soft flame]

Carried by framegen and dlss4 xd

[unique cliff]

How much VRAM does it have and at what res do you play?

[soft flame]

16gb and I play at 4K DLSS quality mode

The game runs pretty well if I don’t use the improved rt & reflections mod and without hairworks

[unique cliff]

Hmmmm then in theory you could also get this VRAM issue, have you been to novigrad?

[soft flame]

No not yet

Just white orchard so I’ll probably run into terrible performance areas eventually lol

[unique cliff]

Weird thing is I don't notice any performance drop with the improved rt. Probably cause I have enough overhead for 60fps

[soft flame]

Nice

I’m using a modpack with like 200 mods so that might also have a performance impact lol

[unique cliff]

Yeah... For me all ran relatively smooth except some forest areas with shadows rt on, but in the 50s, not too bad. Novigrad dips into the 40s with this Vram leak

[soft flame]

I have some gfx improvements like better AO for grass

[unique cliff]

I recommend this mod btw https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/10551?tab=files

Such a game changer imo

And performance friendly

[soft flame]

Yep have this one installed

@unique cliff can I use the improved rt & reflections mod together with the All in One RT Tweaks mod or would that be redundant?

As in counteracting each other

[unique cliff]

Not sure, probably one or the other

[ebon shore]

What exactly is the tweak?

If you know

[clear solstice]

Skin/hair tweaks using SSAO

Maybe something similar to subsurface scattering?

On skin

[ebon shore]

Alright, just making sure it’s not like, some sort of radius thing that’s gonna look great on characters and terrible everywhere else

[unique cliff]

Don't know honestly

[civic sonnet]

this is nice ty

did this help you btw?

testing

gonna try ForceCustomMipBias=-1.2

see how it goes

[unique cliff]

Let me know if it helps! Have you been having this issue?

[civic sonnet]

I have not but i am on a 4080 at 4k with max settings + fg so i can imagine itll happen, i heard it was an issue i just didnt know it was so bad at 4k on 16gb cards. i was about to start the game for the first time today

also using hdrp

i will test multiple diff settings though and get back to you

like -1.5 if it doesnt happen at -1.2

[unique cliff]

Same as me then, but I dont use FG

With FG you could be ok

[civic sonnet]

FG uses more vram so if anything itll probably be worse

with it

[unique cliff]

I wouldn´t use the fix until you actually come into it. You may not have it

[civic sonnet]

but who knows

[unique cliff]

But youll have more base fps probably so you shouldnt notice a dramatic decrease

Maybe you'll go from 100 to 80, which is still good

And the fix does make textures sliiiightly more blurry, so best avoid if possible. The issue should almost only happen in Novigrad also

So until you reach there you shouldn´t have any problems (I didn't)

[unique cliff]

Sure, thanks!

If you wanted to test before actually starting to play you could start a New game for Hearts of Stone and get to Novigrad directly and test there

Run around for some time and see (ideally with some performance monitoring overlay)

So you don't have to deal with this mid playthrough which could diminish the enjoyement and momentum

[soft flame]

Should Bloom be on or off?

[unique cliff]

Default is 50

I leave it at 50 personally (in reno)

[soft flame]

What about Bloom in the in-game settings

[unique cliff]

I have it on

[soft flame]

Anyone using Enhanced Edition Redux mod?

[ebon shore]

You can use any post processing settings you want, but needless to say the sliders won’t work for stuff that’s disabled lol.

[vagrant gulch]

You might try the Witcher 3 discord

[fallen pawn]

I think one of the issues for this game is that it is using a very old version of Nvidia's Streamline - they've made major improvements to how effecient Frame-gen is in the last few years with newer versions but you can't update it

[soft flame]

U can update the frame gen dll tho or do u mean smth else?

[sonic hawk]

DLSS based .dlls (super sampling, FG) can be upgraded and as such you can still thankfully utilise transformer improvements, newer preset models

however, sl. files (streamline) which is the framework that implements a lot of tech like Reflex, DLSS and FG cant be updated

which can potentially mean the game will have higher input latency then if we say used +2.7.0 sl. (ofc we cant test so I cant say for certain)

the big thing we cant use is MFG

since that requires sl +2.7.0

nor flip metering

[soft flame]

Aah I see

Yea even with settings maxed out and RT on it looks great, I can still tell it’s an older game

[unique cliff]

Does anyone have good comparison shots of this mod vs vanilla? I'm thinking of using it (cause Novigrad is heavy as fuck) but ini configs always make me think I'm making the game look way worse/run worse

[unique cliff]

Actually I just found a video, quality preset is better, but doesnt seem worth the ~14fps hit lol

I think it just reduces range and a bittt of density of the probes but nothing too noticeable unless comparing directly probably

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTqqQ273xTw&t=100s

[elder cedar]

is nexus the most recent version of the mod i didn't see it on the github?

[ebon shore]

It’s up to date on nexus, yeah. Also first post in this thread. The mod is on my GitHub.

[fallen pawn]

From what I understand newer versions of Streamlne can also help you get "more frames" while using frame gen (even the 2x version), and help with the frame pacing. Never tested it myself though so that could be wrong

[elder cedar]

Whats with this shimmering like film grain on geralts beard

im tryna show you with a video but now im running into an issue where the game won't play in 4k

mf keeps reseting to 2k everytime

[elder cedar]

solved it by going to full screen then back to borderless

uhg nvm i give up

[unique cliff]

I feel ya, dx12 version is a NIGHTMARE

[steep spindle]

try setting it in the %USERPROFILE%\Documents\The Witcher 3\dx12user.settings

[unique cliff]

Novigrad is just a straight up joke in this port man. With NPCs set to LOW (!!) I go down to 48fps and get hitches whenever looking directly at a NPC gathering like a plaza, no matter the settings: https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9388405152650069754/53C462388DB7303DE1EEDAF83379E13902AA4448/

Not even an i5 13600K can keep up with this shit

[patent frost]

hah, my 9800x3d can't hit 60 sometimes

[unique cliff]

I just got a dude in reddit saying it's cause "my 13600K can't catch up to my 4080"

[patent frost]

well yes

technically true

but useless repsonse lol

[astral ridge]

where

i dont think 9800x3d is that slow

[patent frost]

after some walking around, in the novigrad square

[unique cliff]

It's not a matter of speed but how the game uses that speed, which it basically does not to the full extent I believe

Not a single cpu can fully catch up with the shitty optimization in Novigrad I believe

[astral ridge]

here is how my 14900k performs

i dont think a properly tuned 9800x3d is slower

[unique cliff]

Check my video. In the upper part of the city you can also test if you want. But your mega OCd PC can probably power thru it

[astral ridge]

i just bought a 9800x3d

wait for the shipping now

[unique cliff]

This game makes me want to upgrade my not so old 13600K lol

But it performs flawlessly in other games so I don't see much of an actual reason

[astral ridge]

here ?

still similar fps

[unique cliff]

Yeah, but you have WAY less NPCs than I do

For some reason

But regardless your cpu since it's the very top of the line stuff should be able to power thru as I said, but anything less and it just dies due to poor optimization

Like I shouldn't even be having any problem with a 2015 game in my system. I can run literally any other game at max settings with DLSS with no issues. Even Alan wake with PT and Cyberpunk

[astral ridge]

ill see how will my 9800x3d perform

[unique cliff]

Yeah this one just powers thru

My 13600K just throttles tho, which is a first for me in this system. Not even Alan Wake 2 or Cyberpunk with PT managed to do that lol

[astral ridge]

Alan Wake 2 is very cpu lite

cyberpunk is little heavy in the dlc

but its very gpu demanding with PT on

so still not an issue

[unique cliff]

The point is Witcher 3 is THE ONLY game where my CPU (a very good one) couldn't perform accordingly, which is insane considering this is not a new game

[dire sail]

it's not the only game

[astral ridge]

there are tons of them

[unique cliff]

Like... I played a lot of games on PC and haven't seen this anywhere else

[dire sail]

9800x3d is about twice as fast in any cpu limited game

I came from oced 12600k which performs within margin of 13600k

[astral ridge]

no 13600k is significantly faster

oced 12600k is slower than oced 7600

[dire sail]

yeah no

[astral ridge]

12th gen has issue with ecores

you have to turn them off to oc the ring

which is essential for 12th gen because the default ring clock speed is way too low

[unique cliff]

When I checked in the purchase moment the 13600k was faster

[astral ridge]

its 3.6ghz iirc

13th gen has 4.5ghz ring by default

[unique cliff]

Yup that's correct

Should I contemplate upgrading my cpu in the future? Or do I just consider Witcher 3 an outlier due to poor optimization

[astral ridge]

12th gen also has mediocre ddr5 mc

[dire sail]

tw3 is not an outlier

[astral ridge]

you can get a good imc if you are lucky

but most 12th gen

stop at ddr5 7000

[unique cliff]

Do u know any other examples?

[astral ridge]

jedi survivor

far worse than tw3

i didnt finish that game because of this

[unique cliff]

That one is also poorly optimized afaik, digital foundry complained a lot about it

[astral ridge]

spiderman 2 is another

[unique cliff]

I mean well optimized games. Can't blame a cpu for bad optimization

[dire sail]

lol

[astral ridge]

though im not sure if they fixed it

[unique cliff]

Could try this one

[dire sail]

if you only intend on playing optimized games where your cpu doesnt struggle then why even ask the question

cpu limited games are growing in number

[unique cliff]

Rather than optimized let's phrase it as non broken

[astral ridge]

optimized games usually mean cpu lite

[unique cliff]

Witcher 3 is kinda broken, survivor too famously

[dire sail]

having extensive ray tracing for example will increase the load on CPU a lot

[unique cliff]

But yet I've played path traced games with no issues. Which is more expensive than RT

[astral ridge]

PT games are all gpu limited

[dire sail]

if the game was cpu light to start with it won't make a big deal

take already cpu limited game and add RT on top

tips over the edge

[unique cliff]

I guess that makes sense yeah

[astral ridge]

also are you on ddr4 ?

[unique cliff]

Noup. Ddr5

[astral ridge]

ddr4 is way slower in RT

[unique cliff]

It's just the CPU that cannot catch up. It's so frustrating tho cause is the first time I've experienced this honestly

Since I bought the pc 2 years ago

[astral ridge]

there are plenty of games that dont run well on a 13600k

[dire sail]

spiderman 2, dragons dogma 2, oblivion remake

off top of my head

[astral ridge]

tw3 is nowhere near the worst

[unique cliff]

The question is. Does dragon dogma 2 or oblivion run well in ANY CPU?

[astral ridge]

oblivion doesnt run well on my system

i refunded for that

so its definitely worse than tw3 if you ask me

[unique cliff]

Well then that's an example of bad optimization lol, not the fault of any component

As I said, can't blame plain bad optimization on GPU or CPU

And dragon dogmas engine is notoriously known for being bad/not the best for open worlds, hence the performance woes than you cannot power through unless you have the absolute best components in the market. And even then you can get issues

But Witcher 3, the same game in dx11. Ran Novigrad at +60 fps EASILY on my i7 7700K back in the day. So no, no way RT just makes a way better CPU not being able to handle Novigrad in 2025. It's bad optimization, no matter the hardware.

It's not unplayable, but it's not good

[astral ridge]

because of this

[unique cliff]

Yeah, I know it's because of this

My point is the argument of "the 13600k is not enough" is just not right. It is more than enough if the game is properly developed

[civic sonnet]

my poor 12600kf is gonna suffer later in the game huh

[unique cliff]

It's gonna die yes

Only in Novigrad tho

Probably a 30fps cap can fix it as long as you're in the Novi section of the game

And no ini can fix it btw. Tried everything lol

[soft flame]

Game runs like dogshit holy

[unique cliff]

It's the fucking RT, if I deactivate it the GPU lowers 30% usage and CPU stays the same. But I get rock solid 60fps

I really don't know how they could bitch RT so bad

[ebon shore]

yeah this is a known issue

it's all the stuff in the BVH causing it

and tw3 being a bit older isn't multithreaded very well

multithreading a game after the fact is a non-trivial task, so it's not so much that the port is super broken in terms of perf as it is that RT is just kinda pushing the engine past the breaking point

[unique cliff]

Yeah, this makes sense

They could've ported the improvements of the Cyberpunk version tho. But I assume that would've been MASSIVE work too

I just don't get why include this if it just doesn't run well

[ebon shore]

works with a 30 fps cap on consoles

[unique cliff]

Ok if I get rid of the bvh mod and any other ini really I get locked 60 in my testing spot in Novigrad

Sad but the bvh ini will probably have to go 😦

Well it's not locked, drops to 58 or so, but much much better. So it indeed seems to be bvh related as you pointed

[ebon shore]

without that mod, don't use RT shadows lol

[unique cliff]

Really? They look good to me honestly

[ebon shore]

whole lot of errors and missing shadows

well, I guess idk, maybe shadow maps miss a lot of that stuff

[unique cliff]

Yeah its either the bvh mod or the shadows fix individual mod I also had for the hair. Both put my machine through too much and cause the drops

Without either of those fps don't die anymore

[unique cliff]

Would be interesting to find a comparisson

I noticed that the vegetation looks much better with RT shadows generally

[ebon shore]

I thought foliage was using screen space shadows

[unique cliff]

And didn't notice popin without the mod either. But the accuracy or absence of some shadows I don't know

[ebon shore]

might be wrong

[unique cliff]

I took shots to compare and they shadowing changed, so seems like no

[soft flame]

What’s the bvh mod?

[unique cliff]

Well at least im happy I figured why my fps were dying abnormally. It was surprisingly a gpu related issue it seems, as cpu is having the same usage now as it did before but the gpu has more breathing room

[unique cliff]

The improved reflections and shadows one that´s been shared here

[soft flame]

Aah that one

[unique cliff]

With your PC I would advise you to only use the memory leak fix and no other ini

You will probably run into the same issues as I have or even worse

[soft flame]

Yea I removed that cuz my pc is alrdy struggling without it lol

[unique cliff]

Without it in my novigrad testing spot is almost flawless, that almost still annoys me but Ill take the W and move on

[soft flame]

I use memory leak fix and the all-in-one RT tweaks too from the same author

[unique cliff]

Cool, i tried the RT tweaks and they are decent

I personally don´t need that extra performance they provide at all but for those that do seems good

[soft flame]

Im gonna try turning RT shadows off as Jon suggested

[unique cliff]

That should give you 5% more performance in the GPU

If you're cpu limited it won't help tho

[soft flame]

Only 5%? lol

[unique cliff]

Yeah, the gain is not big, that´s why I have it on

They are relatively cheap

the big one is GI, Reflections can take 9% i think and Shadows 5%

AO I dont remember

You can check here: https://pcoptimizedsettings.com/the-witcher-3-pc-optimized-settings-next-gen-update-ray-tracing-performance/

[soft flame]

Damn is RT reflections worth it?

Without the bvh mod

Cuz they’re not accurate anyway lol

[unique cliff]

Imo yes

They look good enough and way better than SSR

[soft flame]

Ah ic

[unique cliff]

But if tight for performance GI is the only must have

[soft flame]

W3 supports resizable bar?

[unique cliff]

And maybe AO too since its very cheap

[unique cliff]

It should? I think?

[soft flame]

Hmm ill try enabling it in NVPI

[unique cliff]

Also worth noting lol

[soft flame]

“less than optimal dx12 port” is putting it lightly lol

I feel like path traced CP2077 has better performance than W3 with RT lol

[unique cliff]

It also has recommended settings below for the major GPUs

[unique cliff]

It almost does yes

I get in the 50s without framegen in CP, locked 60 in witcher, but not by far lol

[sonic hawk]

Using BVH, Character Shadow improvements, RT checkerboard rendering off and a few more mods I can dip below 60 in Novigrad or Oxenfurt square. GPU utilisation isnt being maxed out

I'll hover in the mid 50s

This is on a 9800X3D with tuned Ram

[unique cliff]

Yeah, this is what I was using except the RT checkerboard. No wonder I was dropping to the 50s and lower in Novigrad xD

Without any of it 60 almost rock solid fps

[astral ridge]

you can watch my test video only with the mod that improves RT reflectionss and shadows though

[sonic hawk]

Considering I can see the edge fading whenever foliage moves out of screen space. I will have to call it

[unique cliff]

Whatever it's using it looks different when RT shadows are enabled. But it's tru that even with all RT on you can still see some SSR in reflections for sure, and I don't know in shadows but maybe too

Probably a mix of both

[astral ridge]

my 9800x3d will arrive the day after tomorrow, ill test it how performs in this game

[unique cliff]

Should be killer. Why change from the Intel tho?

[astral ridge]

just for fun lol

[unique cliff]

Hahahahaha nice

[astral ridge]

like i had both 7900xtx and 4090

7900xtx has great oc potential

but i think a properly tuned 9800x3d is faster

[unique cliff]

I can't stomach fsr sadly but it is a good card, specially in raster perf

[astral ridge]

my friend has one, in factorio benchmark

we are pretty close

factorio is probably the worst benchmark for amd

its all about memory latency, where amd cpus suck

so i guess 9800x3d should be faster in real world content

[astral ridge]

ya its the reason why i sold it to one of my friends

if it does perform better ill sell my intel system

[unique cliff]

You can sell the 14900K to me if you want

[astral ridge]

im pretty far from you most likely

[unique cliff]

Jk, I'm good with the 13600K for now

[unique cliff]

I'm from Spain

[astral ridge]

im in an eastern country

[ebon shore]

did a quick comparison, guess I remembered wrong. Seems shadow maps miss mostly the same things if not more than the default RT shadows

whoops wrong message

[unique cliff]

Yeah that makes more sense

But maybe at launch it was more broken and that's what you remembered

[ebon shore]

as for the message I responded to, RT reflections are still worth using because SSR overlays them anyway

[unique cliff]

Yeah. I think it's either the full suite or just GI, whatever your rig can handle

[ebon shore]

guess I was spreading misinfo earlier

hate when that happens

[unique cliff]

Happens to all of us sometimes hahahaha don't worry

You're still the goat 🐐

[sonic hawk]

spreading isnt enough

you have to triple down

[ebon shore]

triple down, start up a youtube channel, promise to fix the industry that is wrong, sell lame t-shirts?

[sonic hawk]

oh and never ever apologise for a mistake

what are you weak?

better to die

than be wrong

[civic sonnet]

this game on my pg32uqx is so ridiculous the startup at least through w3mm has a white flash at the very beginning that absolutely blinds me every time lmao

beautiful

[steep spindle]

1200 nits full field 💀

[ebon shore]

would honestly be nice if renodx had an optional ABL filter with a tweakable max APL or something lol

just for games that, for one reason or another, don't behave and can flashbang you

[next gulch]

I had a shitty abl function in max Payne 3

[elder cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrgLYXlG9_U

[dire sail]

wtf is that

[elder cedar]

idk seems kinda cool ngl

[dire sail]

what is this even

paid app to get HRTF?

[elder cedar]

3d audio stuff

[elder cedar]

apparently

[dire sail]

lol

what does this even do in Witcher 3? the game doesn't have spatial audio, does it just interpret the surround sound mode

Dolby Headphones on PC had a Beta years ago for getting your own custom HRTF by the same method

and seems they never added it

[elder cedar]

i'd imagine it adds it?

[dire sail]

it can't do that

[ebon shore]

it does have spatial audio, but it's kinda broken

immerse stuff isn't new, what you're paying for is the custom HRTF stuff basically. For generic solutions, just use microsoft spatial audio stuff (sonic, dts, atmos)

[dire sail]

I use that sometimes, if the game actually makes use of spatial sound API

[ebon shore]

I've never tried the immerse stuff before, I'm very happy with DTS stuff

[dire sail]

you can count those games with two hands pretty much

[ebon shore]

it's more common than you think

usually just horribly communicated

[civic sonnet]

they did the same thing for cyberpunk

its a meme tbh

wouldnt bother

[dire sail]

it's not, there are few games with real 3d audio outputing to MS spatial sound.
Most of the time you're getting a 3d hrtf downmix of the surround mode

[ebon shore]

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_games_that_support_Dolby_Atmos

[dire sail]

and that doesn't work correctly all the time since not every game properly detects it

[ebon shore]

I don't even know if this list is complete

[dire sail]

this is not a reliable list

[ebon shore]

are there any examples you know are wrong on it?

[sonic hawk]

We have RenoDX for visuals

now we need AudioDX for audio

[civic sonnet]

would thjs list not be akin to a list of hdr games. it doesnt guarantee its actually implemented correctly

[ebon shore]

yeah maybe, I have no clue how it would be validated though

at best you can disable enhancements on your device and tell if it's triggering the spatial audio stuff, but you'd have no clue what the devs are inputting into that API.

[dire sail]

it gets triggered by games outputting surround sound, it gives you no way of discerning whether it's outputting 3d sound via the spatial sound api or if the game is detecting that you have Spatial Sound toggled ON and interprets it as a surround system

[small aspen]

Imagine paying for getting worse audio than the proper spatial audio already implemented in games...

[ebon shore]

if you disable enhancements on your audio device, that disables the surround sound processing and only works on native spatial sound software.

horribly unintuitive system microsoft came up with

[small aspen]

Or why improve in-engine audio when you can partner with people to do fake spatial audio on headphones which can already be achieved by Atmos for Headphones or the DTS equivalent

(And add processing overhead to the whole thing )

[sonic hawk]

Is there a server or explanation / demonstration for audio related tech in games? I just use 7.1 surround sound if available in game. All these Atmos and other spatial audio based tech that I've used has always sounded bad to me.

You get spatial audio and position but trade it for everything sounding like its been EQ'ed into a can

[dire sail]

my headphones don't even have that tab. If a game has no real 3d sound it can output via the API, it's supposed to see your device as a surround device when you have the Spatial Sound option, which still gives you a good degree of directionality because the HRTF downmixes it pretty well. But this doesn't work very often. The only foolproof solution is using HESUVI in that case

[small aspen]

Also head tracking is a gimmick... wouldn't be one if your screen moved with you and the game world as well but alas, not a thing

[ebon shore]

Atmos is the most popular one, but to me personally DTS stuff absolutely blows it out of the water

I love their headphone stuff

[dire sail]

DTS Headphone X is much better than the Atmos HRTF

[small aspen]

DTS do be great indeed

[ebon shore]

and their processing is pretty convincing even on a 5.1 system

[dire sail]

Dolby was supposed to launch a personalized HRTF option

but they ditched it, only kept it for professionals in studio software

[sonic hawk]

Whats the setup like for DTS? Install app. select spatial audio and thats it?

[ebon shore]

yep

[sonic hawk]

or do you need game support

[ebon shore]

anything with atmos support will support dts

[small aspen]

Tho nothing beats real discrete speakers, with or without height ones...

[ebon shore]

though the license is $20 for DTS (sometimes it goes on sale). Give the trial a go.

[small aspen]

Is DTS X also limited to HDMI like Atmos is ?

[sonic hawk]

OK, are you aware if it messes with EQ profiles via PEACE?

[small aspen]

( the real stuff I mean)

[dire sail]

Irrelevant when you can't actually have them whether due to neighbors or space constraints

[ebon shore]

for a surround system, yeah

[dire sail]

So using an HRTF with ideally real 3d API output, or at least surround channels, is a big step up from simple stereo output

[small aspen]

Of course, but then DTS & Dolby's solution as they are currently will still beat those immerse packs shtuff imo

[dire sail]

The only advantage of immerse is the personalized HRTF

[ebon shore]

I do think the processing even for a regular surround mix is pretty dang good

but yeah native spatial audio api is just amazing, assuming the HRTF agrees with your ears

[dire sail]

Again it's just stupid that neither Dolby or DTS has added a feature to use your own HRTF made from a phone scan

[ebon shore]

yeah 😦

[dire sail]

that's been a standard feature on Apple devices for years

[small aspen]

But it's not really that big of an improvement

If anything, it's altering too much of the source just to allegedly optimize it for you

Which can be wrong in the end

[dire sail]

What

[sonic hawk]

Another thing I wanted to ask about, How does DTS handle in game music?

[dire sail]

The standard HRTFs that come in these programs are made for a different head and ears than yours

[ebon shore]

an HRTF is predicated on assumptions of head/ear shape. The generic solutions try to be a one size fits all approach

[dire sail]

The transfer function will work the best if its for you

[ebon shore]

depends what the devs do

there's nothing stopping it from being regular ass stereo sounding output

[small aspen]

But even if it will "work the best", it's just still altering the source signal just to fit you... which in turn is just wrong imo

[dire sail]

I don't think you are understanding this

[small aspen]

I think you just don't get my point

[dire sail]

Your point comes from a misunderstanding

[ebon shore]

think of it like the difference between headphone seal or room dynamics. Some amount of calibration needs to occur to make any of these variables "correct".

[small aspen]

Ok whatever

Yeah but this is actually only really valid for discrete speaker setups..
What happens in stereo mix your get in headphones using HRTF will alter the source

[ebon shore]

oh, this reminds me, if you use DTS make sure you use the "none" profile unless you want them to EQ your headphones

it defaults to generic which, afaik, is a slight v-shape eq

and that eq applies to everything, not just spatial audio

[dire sail]

I use IEMs and I've found that I have to use an IEM profile for it to sound correct, otherwise it's assuming over the ear headphones by default

[ebon shore]

ah, that makes sense

huh, weird they wouldn't have a none for iems

the eq isn't super offensive in any case

[dire sail]

By default it's supposed to leave stereo streams unaltered

[small aspen]

Thankfully

[dire sail]

but I don't think it detects it properly

so I would not leave it on all the time

only when playing a game you know supports it

[ebon shore]

it's always worked correctly for me

there have been some on and off issues with discord triggering it though?

[unique cliff]

It's crap. I tried this in FFXIV and made everything sound muddy

[ebon shore]

usually gets cleared up with an update in a day or w/e

[sonic hawk]

I am to use balanced?

[ebon shore]

yeah

I think spacious sounds bad

[small aspen]

But for anything natively spatial like an Atmos game mix, it will overprocess it to the point of altering it way too much to the point of being/sounding wrong for me, that's just my opinion and at the end of the day, to each their own preferences

[unique cliff]

You think DTS is better than Atmos? I usually use Atmos with no EQ and just spatial sound enabled

[ebon shore]

from when I thoroughly tested them all out years ago, I preferred DTS in every single instance

[sonic hawk]

Oh RIP

[dire sail]

But if you want an example of a game that has no 3d sound, and also doesn't properly interact with the API and fails to pipe surround channels : Elden Ring, off the top of my head. That game was whole reason for finding out about HeSuVi. Have to use that method and their HRTF to get directional sound in that game

[sonic hawk]

EQ via PEACE doesnt work with DTS

[ebon shore]

I'm able to use equalizerAPO with it

[sonic hawk]

I set DTS EQ to none

Balanced

wierd, turning APO EQ on/off does nothing

[unique cliff]

Interesting. In headphones or surround sound system?

[ebon shore]

headphones

[unique cliff]

I use it with some Sony XM4s

Or whatever the name is, the popular ones xD

[ebon shore]

don't have a very informed opinion on home theater environments lol

only a 5.1 setup and I'm just generally inexperienced with it

[unique cliff]

I do want to get some 5.1 setup going in my room. But it seems mega expensive to set up honestly

[sonic hawk]

Silly me, I set Device Default Effects to off

welp time to test some Vidya

[small aspen]

You can find real good stuff for cheap tbh. Maybe not stuff with E-ARC support and super fancy 9.2.4 crazy setups of course but any decent 5.1 AVR with good speakers can be found for a few hundred bucks "new" or used

[clear solstice]

Would this be recommended to do so? Hate some of the surround sound stuff that happens when it’s improper, sounds like I’m in a fish tank

[unique cliff]

Interesting. I definitely need to look into it

[ebon shore]

I'd wanted one for a long time, and ended up pulling the trigger with a tax refund a couple years ago haha. If you care about audio, it's super worth doing imo

[unique cliff]

Yeah I'm 100% doing it down the line. Just need to save a lil money first

[ebon shore]

subjective really. I think DTS headphone x sounds really good on surround mixes and I prefer it over plain stereo

You could always get a receiver and a couple front speakers to start, and build the rest out over time

[clear solstice]

Yeah same ((at least on Xbox)) I’ll set it up on pc and see how it is, I’m not really an audiophile but proper surround sound is always nice

[ebon shore]

the receiver is the biggest pill to swallow really

[small aspen]

And cable manage 😅

[unique cliff]

Exactly

Speakers are no problem I even have some old ones from my grandparents that could do the trick to at least start building something. But the receiver is 😮‍💨

[sonic hawk]

Jon, does DTS add additional background noise for you?

I'm getting some on my end

[ebon shore]

not that I've noticed

[ebon shore]

per some suggestion on reddit, I bought a receiver from accessories4less and have been very happy with it https://www.accessories4less.com/

[sonic hawk]

First impressions are quite nice

Doesn't mess with music and doesn't sound like a fish tank

[ebon shore]

one of my favorite games with 3d audio was, surprisingly, ori and the will of the wisps

dead space is fucking awesome with it too

[sonic hawk]

Testing in Soul frame atm and will go through my log

[ebon shore]

I forgot that I recorded a little sample in cyberpunk when I made an era thread about it lol https://streamable.com/m19a1l

[unique cliff]

This is in the US tho, right? I'm from Europe so that's a nono for me

[ebon shore]

oh, right, america isn't the world.

honestly, no clue lol

[sonic hawk]

How do I watch it? With DTS enabled?

[ebon shore]

just stereo

headphones

dts can be on or off, doesn't matter

[unique cliff]

DTS sounds more base heavy, almost vibrating in my headphones vs stereo

Does it have a custom preset for the XM4s? I remember they had presets for a bunch of headsets. If they do I might buy it just to try

[sonic hawk]

You can use the search bar

Didn't have one for Audeze LCD-Xs

[unique cliff]

wdym. I dont see anything in the app

[sonic hawk]

So I'm running off per Jon's recommendation

There's a section in the app

The right most

[unique cliff]

It doesnt let me use that unless I pay it seems

[sonic hawk]

Trial?

I set up the 14 day free trial

[unique cliff]

I used it back in the day so no trial for me now lol

Like 3y ago I tried it

[ebon shore]

the presets are just an eq towards what dts says your headphones should sound like

you'd probably be better off using preset off and loading up an autoeq preset for your headphones in something like equalizerapo

https://autoeq.app/

[unique cliff]

Oh gotcha, I already have my EQ then, not really interested

[faint ingot]

yep can definitely recommend this

I used the preset for my DT 990 pro and they sound much cleaner

[unique cliff]

OH WOW that website is cool

I do use the native EQ on the headphones tho, which is a 5 band so that it sounds the same in all the devices I use it. So I don't know if I can actually use this

[ebon shore]

yeah it's only something I mess with on headphones I'll only use at my desktop haha

[unique cliff]

Yeah I use the XM4s for everything tho hahaha (I love them so much)

I also have some Astro A50s but ANC is just a must for me now, I can´t live without it

[faint ingot]

I like open back headphones for when I'm in my room

adds a lot of 'depth' to the sound

hard to describe until you've tried it

[unique cliff]

I live in the city so I hate hearing street noise mixing with headphone audio, also the AC in the summer

[faint ingot]

ANC only when in noisy environments

fair enough AC can be pretty annoying yea

[unique cliff]

Yeah the astro a50s are open, I like it but I don´t see any downsides to something more closed like the Sonys

[sonic hawk]

When someone passes me un EQ'ed and non open back headphones or IEMs

[faint ingot]

lmao

[dull lantern]

personally i liked more the eq from oratory https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets/

[sonic hawk]

My ears were made for Harman curve

I can't take cans without it

[unique cliff]

What software would y´all use to EQ in PC?

DTS itself? Or atmos

[sonic hawk]

Equalizer APO

then you get something for it called PEACE

[dull lantern]

i use the same too

[sonic hawk]

you do EQ adjustments in the latter

[unique cliff]

I need to use 2 programs for EQ?

[dull lantern]

not really, peace is just like a better interface and more options

[ebon shore]

I'm not an EQ fiend, I just run equalizerapo and load up a config from autoeq lol

[unique cliff]

I think ill also do this

2 programs just for EQ seems a bit too much

[ebon shore]

I think PEACE is an extension

[sonic hawk]

APO is the framework that allows the use of PEACE

its an extension

once installed, PEACE will automatically set your EQ on windows launch

Its not a case of you having to open up an app and set the required preset

[ebon shore]

APO definitely does that by default for me

or maybe I configured it to lol

[unique cliff]

APO so far is confusing as fuck, just installed it. Theres no exe?

Oh wait im blind

[sonic hawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5yOxwzvG0o

[ebon shore]

there are two, one gets it setup for your audio device, and the other will configure EQ stuff

ngl, the software is a bit unintuitive

[sonic hawk]

Yes, you will need to allow APO to know which audio device to configure PEACE EQ onto

via the configurator

[unique cliff]

Yeah I set it for my headphones already

[ebon shore]

to load the profile, basically you want it to look like this

you need to load it specifically on the config.txt

[unique cliff]

I was trying to copy this one https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/06yczg3zryfmfe0g2juov/Sony-WH1000XM4.pdf?rlkey=fpd4fsnsdjnpr4fb2sgu2e4hh&e=2&dl=0

[ebon shore]

the profile for the xm4s on autoeq seems to be by oratory1990 as well

[unique cliff]

But it seems there´s also an oratory option in the autoeq website

[unique cliff]

What would i need to tell it in the equalizer app?

Equalizer APO parametric or graphic?

[ebon shore]

graphic

[sonic hawk]

that preference rating before/after

[unique cliff]

So I would need to have it like this basically and thats it?

[ebon shore]

oh, sorry, I misunderstood

you only need that file included, it does everything

you can disable/remove the other stuff

[unique cliff]

The preamp and the graphic eq right?

[ebon shore]

yeah

[unique cliff]

Like so

[ebon shore]

yeah

power button on the config file should toggle it on/off in realtime, if you want to make sure it's working

[unique cliff]

Imma try Peace too just out of curiosity

How do I import the EQ in PEACE? The interface seems more confusing lol

[faint ingot]

I don't think peace is necessary?

what's the purpose of it if you're gonna load an eq curve from autoeq

[unique cliff]

Kinda tru

Fucking hell PEACE messed up my config.txt and now its not showing in APO

Ok got it. But I dont really notice a difference with it on. Not sure its working

Yeah its not working. If i try it from the website it does. But in APO it sounds the same

[mortal tulip]

https://youtu.be/3Tv56M179V0

Never caught wind of it before but this sounds great

[small aspen]

This needs GOG one click mod support when it gets finalized

Amazing

[ebon shore]

reboot if you didn't

[unique cliff]

I did, not working

[ebon shore]

hm, not sure 😦

[unique cliff]

Yeah me neither, maybe it doesnt work well through BT?

[ebon shore]

only just learned the game has this setting in it

[faint ingot]

Damn the difference RTGI makes in this game is insane

hard to imagine playing this game without anymore

[ebon shore]

yeah the game pretty much only has SSAO for indirect lighting without it, the upgrade is massive

[unique cliff]

Welp i guess ill keep using native EQ since this doesnt work. Thanks for the help yall tho! Appreciated ^^

[ebon shore]

OH

wait

there are some compatibility modes you can mess with, i had to do that on my laptop

[unique cliff]

Oh? How does one do that. In the configurator?

[ebon shore]

when you install to a device

there's a troubleshooting options thing or w/e

[unique cliff]

Yeah this

What should I try?

[ebon shore]

SFX/EFX

looks like you might have an older version too

[unique cliff]

Yeah? I downloaded from the official website

[ebon shore]

what version is it?

[unique cliff]

1.4.2 I think? (I'm rebooting now lol)

Oh yeah it's 1.2.1 lol wtf

It's indeed old

Imma reinstall the most recent one

DAAAAAMN now it works

It was the older version lol my bad

Thanks for pointing that out!

Now I need to find an EQ I like, this one is nice but lowers the max volume a bit which I dont really like

[faint ingot]

yea usually if you lower the base boost you will gain some volume back

[unique cliff]

Where do you do this? in autoeq i saw the max gain setting, which is what they seem to recommend for this

[faint ingot]

otherwise if you have an old logitech amplifier or something lying around that will sure help

[unique cliff]

By default it was 12 and i tried with 3, im still loosing some volume but its decent

[unique cliff]

For Bluetooth?

[faint ingot]

oh they are bluetooth sorry I thought cable headphones

[faint ingot]

yea should be on the autoeq website a separate option for bass

[unique cliff]

Hell nah, I really dislike cable headphones (even tho I know they have better audio quality I know)

[unique cliff]

Bass boost you mean?

[faint ingot]

yea

if you lower that a bit the curve will be a bit flatter I believe

so louder overall but less deep bass

or so I understand it

[unique cliff]

Yep indeed, I dont wanna loose my bass tho

XM4s are not very good on this out the box so they do need that extra help

[faint ingot]

yea it's the main thing you can adjust until you find the perfect compromise

maybe 4db bass boost is enough for overall loudness

[unique cliff]

Putting a preamp before the EQ would butcher the EQ?

[faint ingot]

no idea actually

[unique cliff]

I get this red stuff which I assume is no bueno, but no idea. Otherwise its just reaaaally quiet, might look for another EQ

[sonic hawk]

Now imagine if the PT found in Redkit was fully implemented like with 2077 RESTIR

[soft flame]

So this is a gimmick right?

I use Dolby Atmos, would that “immerse pack” be better?

[unique cliff]

It's so funny that they are not using RT seemingly in this video. Even they know performance is rough

[ebon shore]

finally tried out that uberRTXGI mod or w/e, yeah those tweaks look good

also, I think I might up the shadows slider to 60 for HDR Look

That's brighter than vanilla, but actually playing the game is reminding me how poorly tuned the RTGI actually is for this

might just leave it be though 😅

[unique cliff]

Yeah it's DARK

I'm using cozy fires additive setting for this

0.5 makes it visible enough

[ebon shore]

adjusting the gi probably makes more sense than adjusting the tonemapper

[unique cliff]

Yup

[soft flame]

U mean this one?: https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/8182?tab=images

[ebon shore]

yeah

[soft flame]

It looks less accurate tho

Looks like overall brightness has been bumped a ton

The indoor before-and-after pic looks way too lit in the after pic

[unique cliff]

Yeah I dont like how it looks in those images either. Its probably perf heavy too

[ebon shore]

those pics look worse than it is I think

[soft flame]

I feel like the same can be achieved by bumping ur RenoDX mod’s paper white to 500 (max) lol

Everything looks much brighter, but less realistic

[faint ingot]

it's even causing massive visual artifacts and bugs in some scenes

he turned some of the variables up waaay to high

I use these settings and they give me great visibility without overdoing it

[ebon shore]

the live settings update doesn't seem to work for me

[ebon shore]

am I misunderstanding how this works? lmao

I should be able to make changes to custom.ini and see it update right?

[faint ingot]

I don't think it's real time

there is a mod called cozy fires where you can update some of the variables via ingame menu

but they don't persist

[unique cliff]

If you make an ini they do

[faint ingot]

I know but you can't see the changes from the ini in real time

[ebon shore]

Another feature of the DLL allows you to change the game INI settings during runtime, by editing a "custom.ini" file with any desired setting changes, this can help mod devs to discover new tweaks easier, rather than needing to constantly restart the game between each change (however some settings might not be fully changed during gameplay, requiring a restart to be fully applied)

[faint ingot]

but you can play around until you find the right settings for your taste and then persist them in the ini afterwards

[ebon shore]

for rtxgi settings unlocker

[faint ingot]

huh

never worked for me

[ebon shore]

okay it does work

tried adding this lol [Rendering/RT] ForbidSSSR=true

[faint ingot]

if I change the settings during runtime they don't update

they do update on restart though

[ebon shore]

btw, your settings are actually brighter than the defaults of that mod, at least in the current version

not a bad thing, just letting you know

[faint ingot]

I know but he set the LightCullingDistanceTweakCoef to 64 or something

default is at 1 I think?

caused some major bugs on my end

[ebon shore]

ah

I like your tweaks

[faint ingot]

thanks, I still see some issues but I think it's just how the game is

a lot of light leaking through walls and stuff

[ebon shore]

that "better reflections and shadows" mod might help that

but also yeah that's just a probe based gi limitation

[faint ingot]

it does improve shadows and reflections but doesn't help much with leaking unfortunately

[soft flame]

What’s the performance cost?

[soft flame]

2nd pic looks great

[ebon shore]

going with a boost to shadows up to 57 on hdr look, it just looks more natural to me

not gonna bother posting an update for that though lol

it'll just be in the snapshot

keeping flare cause I like the little bit that it does to those lower black steps

[faint ingot]

I don't actually know I haven't noticed any

[dire sail]

the improvement in interiors can be much greater if you install a mod or two

[tidal bay]

Kind of weird - launching the game and the settings under Tone Mapping tab disappear upon reaching main menu

Maybe GOG Galaxy issue, no problems when launching dx12 .exe directly

[faint ingot]

which one's do you mean?

I'm already using a tweaked .ini

[soft flame]

Would 57 shadows look better without hdr look too?

[faint ingot]

indeed looks good on most scenes but now I feel like a lot of shadows are way too saturated

I'm using a shaders to desaturate them a little bit, might actually be cool to tweak shadows/midtones/highlights via renodx addon since most shaders aren't really hdr compatible

[serene kelp]

damn tw3 is joever bois

time for mh worlds

[vagrant gulch]

Wait, this is not the Audio thread?

[ebon shore]

Maxed out saturation correction should drop saturation in midtones/shadows, depending on scene.

A lot of the saturation comes from per channel contrast increases.

[soft flame]

@ebon shore I just put shadows on 57 and it looks much better wow

at 50 the blacks crushed quite a bit

[faint ingot]

I guess I just don't like the oversaturated look of the witcher a lot of times

[ebon shore]

For vanilla, something like 55/56 might make a little more sense. HDR Look was a smidge darker

Wait I already had shadows up some I forgot

[faint ingot]

but I'm really happy now with the image quality overall and the ability to tweak to personal preference

thanks so much for this addon it's so good

[ebon shore]

Ultimately for saturation you’ll probably want weather/lighting mods tbh

This game is just very saturated lol

[faint ingot]

yea I found a good compromise for me

still too saturated imo but I like it better than the lighting mods available

[ebon shore]

Could try dropping sat and playing with highlight sat.

Kinda obvious though lol

[faint ingot]

yea for some reason I can't get highlights to look right though haha

or it looks good in one scene and then you go into a cave with torches and stuff and it looks really weird

[ebon shore]

It’s a struggle yeah. One of the main things I focused on with hdr look was making fire look like fire lol

I kinda think the scene grading settings I used there are best

[soft flame]

Fiddled around a bit and 55 shadows & 45 saturation (everything else at default) looks better to me

No wait grass looks off during daytime nvm

@ebon shore I know how u felt rn trying to get the settings perfect 😂

[ebon shore]

Try blowout restoration instead of vanilla, I think saturation correction is what you want

Max out hue shift for more vanilla hues

[soft flame]

Its alrdy maxed out when I change to blowout restoration mode

If I change saturation correction from 100 to 0 , it looks less yellowish and warmer

I think I like it

[unique cliff]

I'm using blowout restoration too, sun seems more accurate rather than just a big white ball

[soft flame]

Yep

[ebon shore]

I thought sat correction 100 would be what you want lol

Tbh, I don’t really like the vanilla option as is

It needs hue shift but my current code makes setting that up annoying.

Hm, may have had a kinda cursed idea that would be easy

[soft flame]

Ok I think I’ve found my sweet spot, put blowout restoration to 100 and everything else at default

Looks rlly good rn

Im just gonna play like this before I spend 30h tinkering with settings xd

[sonic hawk]

We play?

I thought the whole point was to mod and tinker till you get bored

[soft flame]

Im probably gonna tinker soon again

On another note, do y’all prefer dlss preset J or K?

K is supposed to be an “improved” model of J, but J looks sharper and cleaner to me idk

[unique cliff]

I always use K no matter what

[soft flame]

K is good but it looks a bit off to me, kinda grainy or oversharpened

J looks more like native 4K to me

But K has less artifacting with vegetation and shit tho

[ebon shore]

J looks a lot worse on grass I think

[soft flame]

Yeah J is so sharp that every blade of grass looks distinct LOL

[ebon shore]

The look like the real native res 😅

[sonic hawk]

Transformer as a whole is still in beta and suffers from a checkerboard like pattern on volumetrics for every game

I'm still going to use it over CNN

But as Nvidia mentioned, transformer has a higher ceiling for future scalability

Maybe towards the end of this year or early next year, we'll get a further refinement of transformer and it will solve the volumetric issues

[ebon shore]

luckily the witcher 3 doesn't have much to suffer from its issues

[unique cliff]

Welp I may drop RT shadows lol https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/18132924202075436275/26E922126BA4FB655167983B99E907407573952F/

I dont have any inis now so this is vanilla behaviour

But I´ve never seen this before. Something must´ve broke for no reason while playing. Inside the city all shadows where flickering like this too

Yup I definetly have to drop rt shadows. Without the inis they still pop in like crazy. At least in Novigrad

[civic sonnet]

getting the loading between dialogue bug i kept hearing about

pain

it blurs and then loads for like 5s between sentences actually unplayable

gonna guess its a texture thing and removing hdrp will fix it because i have like only 14 "mods" in my load order 4 of which are just hdrp so rly i dont think its too many mods causing it

[unique cliff]

Do you have a clip of that?

[civic sonnet]

inbetween dialogue choices and at the start of conversations its just loading like this

[unique cliff]

Oh lol, are you playing on nvme?

[civic sonnet]

moving it to an nvme rn and ill test

it was on an ssd just not an nvme

seems like a relatively old problem related to modding though

[dire sail]

mod bug

[civic sonnet]

figured

nvme didnt help

weird idk what mods it could be guess ill have to test one by one

[unique cliff]

That´s weird then, I dont get that

I do get a bunch of other shit tho, fucking hell of a port

[slate night]

That was Skyrim for me until I burned out, haha. The game's story is just not there, alas.

[sonic hawk]

I create wabbajacks so

I have multiple thousands of hours tinkering

Toddslop has stolen my life

[clear solstice]

You do?

Which have you made

I may have played it before 😭. I love Skyrim modding and I have a lot of play through on different mod lists

[sonic hawk]

Click on my profile

So far I've helped

• Lost World (FO4 but retired now)

• Capital Punishment (FNV/TTW but retired now, my drive containing a WIP updated version died RIP)

• Halls of Sovngarde (Camboi is the main dev, I helped him out on the more technical aspects / quirks of creation engine, perf profiling

• Path of The Incarnate (OpenMW list by Clayby, helped him out)

• currently helping Tiddies with Capital Commonwealth (FO4 list) and how to deal with previsbines

We've been working on a Oblivion Remastered Wabba and will be working on Skyblivion as well

[clear solstice]

Path of the Incarnate is my favorite morrowind modlist, yall did an amazing job :)

I haven’t gotten around to fallout modding yet but I’ll def check those out when I do

[glad crane]

Around 3 months ago I finished a fully modded playthrough of the game. I got that problem only 2 times:

1. I reached my PC mod limit, at around 220 mods, removing a mod fixed it.
2. The "The Witcher HD Reworked Project" didn't install right so deleting it and installing it again made that problem disappear

From what I remember other people had that problem with that mod

[astral ridge]

@ebon shore this game just prefers intel

72 fps

[unique cliff]

Oh damn, thats a big decrease

around 14fps less if I remember correctly?

[astral ridge]

12 fps

the lowest on 14900k is 84 fps here

but its more than 20% faster than my 14900k in rpcs3

god of war ascension

14900k 48 fps

9800x3d 60 fps

maybe witcher 3 is super bandwidth heavy

[patent frost]

can you walk a round around novigrad and then return to this scene?

[slate night]

DX12 mode?

[patent frost]

I lose like 20-30% of my fps by just walking around a bit and returning

[patent frost]

obv

[slate night]

More DX12 brokenness, probably.

[patent frost]

no point in playing in dx11 mode

might aswell just play the old gen version then and get some graphics mods for that

Blitzfx was peak

[agile bear]

seems the witcher 3 is getting new story DLC next year

[astral ridge]

similar

[patent frost]

interesting

[astral ridge]

i did that on my 14900k

also the same

but my 14900k is much faster here

[patent frost]

because on 2 systems on my side I did have this performance regression

[astral ridge]

idk the reason

[patent frost]

5800x3d 3080 and 9800x3d 5080

[unique cliff]

Memory leak, there's a mod that fixes this

[patent frost]

But my memory isn't full, none of it, nor is my bus getting hammered.

That mod is a bandaid anyway, it cranks mipbias which results in super muddy textures, and for some reason actually caused the memory leak it claimed to fix.

[soft flame]

U can change the mipbias setting in ini to something lower to increase texture quality while still freeing some memory

Default is set at -0.5 which is quite aggressive

-2.0 is lowest (highest quality) but then it becomes redundant

I’ve set it at -1.5

[patent frost]

I have a 5080

I see the same issues when playing on the lowest settings

[soft flame]

Then u shouldnt have to bother with any performance tweaks 😂

[patent frost]

exactly

but I still see this dumb perf regression

[soft flame]

Game is optimized like dogshit

In dx12 mode

[patent frost]

well yes, but why does polly not have this issue then?

[sonic hawk]

built diffferent

[patent frost]

[soft flame]

Whats ur cpu?

[patent frost]

9800x3d

[soft flame]

Yeah Idk then LOL

Have u tried enabling resizable bar in NVPI?

[patent frost]

rbar does fuck all

[soft flame]

U tried it?

U need to set these specific settings for it to work:

It made my game a bit smoother

[patent frost]

smoothness is not really an issue, but sure I'll give these settings an shot in a bit

[faint ingot]

Yep that's around the same performance I get

9800x3d and 5090 so same specs

[astral ridge]

this game is an extreme outlier

every other game i tseted is as least the same fps if not faster

even cyberpunk is 15% faster on the 9800x3d

[sonic hawk]

https://youtu.be/j5G22X8V9IA?si=r4jxs275JlsIyWmb

Mentions a new DLC for NG to bridge the gap between W3 and W4 may be out next year

Being developed by Fool's Theory (W1 remake team)

Streamline 2.0 and MFG support

Inb4 they fix HDR as well

[soft flame]

Bruh fr

How likely?

Cuz if that’s the case I’ll hold off on my new playthrough lol

Might as well play the game when they patch it up and add new content

[sonic hawk]

https://wccftech.com/the-witcher-3-dlc-2026-the-last-wish-project/amp/

Looks like English translation articles are out

Give this a read if you don't know polish

[soft flame]

Welp

Guess I’ll wait then

[sonic hawk]

Don't know if it will be a single DLC or an expansion

Big or small

[unique cliff]

Really?

[unique cliff]

I'm using this too and looks crisp

[unique cliff]

I'm not having it now either

[patent frost]

[unique cliff]

Try dropping your textures from ultra+ to ultra, I believe ultra+ may be buggy

[patent frost]

even happened in completelyt unmodded

[patent frost]

happens on low textures

like I said, it's not vram or memory related

[unique cliff]

Then I don't know. Weird for sure

Maybe an AMD issue?

[patent frost]

idk

has been an issue since the next gen version released

[unique cliff]

Polly and I have Intel CPUs

[patent frost]

maybe

maybe it fills up the cache and expect faster cache access? idk

3d vcache is slower than normal L3

[unique cliff]

Could be? It just happens in Novi right?

[patent frost]

that's where it's the most obvious

but if I play for a while and come to novigrad then I also have bad perf

in cpu heavy areas

reload the save and it's fine again

[ebon shore]

I'd be shocked if they did lol

the nature of the problem requires really caring about it

[unique cliff]

Yeah I don't know. This game is finicky as fuck. I was having the same issues and now for some reason I'm having the smoothest 60fps ever lol

Are you using any inis?

I had to remove all for it to run good

Any ini tweak made Novigrad run like shit

[patent frost]

like I said, happens unmodded too

it's persistent between windows installs, game installs and hardware changes

[unique cliff]

I had it too, but fixed it with the memory leak thing. So i dont know honestly

Hope you can fix it or that its not bad enough and can still enjoy the game

[slate night]

That takes quite some dedication ~ I really hope they nail it. That's how you keep fans around to buy the next game.

[patent frost]

thankfully I can brute force it in most situations, just novigrad square is a pain

[unique cliff]

2nd crash in 2 days lol. Didn't crash before Novigrad

[unique cliff]

Just got another one, wtf

[fallen pawn]

They did confirm they are doing "one last patch" for the 10th anniversary that adds mod support to consoles. That is our best bet. I'm somewhat skepitcal of the Fool's Theory thing, but it'd be cool.

[unique cliff]

I was cleaning my hard drives and I just saw this shit in the Nvidia folder, WTF. Anyone knows what is this and why its 130gb?

I have a cyberpunk one too but that one is 48mb lol

[ebon shore]

wtf

is your nvidia shader cache setting set to unlimited?

[unique cliff]

No idea, where do I check that?

[ebon shore]

nvidia control panel

[unique cliff]

In general 3d config?

[ebon shore]

yeah

[unique cliff]

Its at default

Maybe this is what was killing my fps in the game lol

This is insane I have files from when I first installed the game in december

And now that I´ve been frequently playing I have a bunch more. What exactly do these do?

[ebon shore]

I've got no clue lol

wonder what my folder is like

though my windows install is pretty new

where even is that folder?

[unique cliff]

C:\ProgramData\NVIDIA\Streamline\witcher3

Its a hidden folder

[soft flame]

Is that a bad thing?

As long as u have space right :p

[ebon shore]

would just be a space thing afaik

[ebon shore]

crazy, I don't even have this folder

might be time to DDU lol

[unique cliff]

100% sure? I have one with Cyberpunk stuff too

Tho the CP is just 40mb

[ebon shore]

I have an NVIDIA Corporation folder

No streamline stuff

[unique cliff]

Oh wow asking chatgpt about it it says its a memory dump, probably in the moment a bug or crash happened

In theory its DLSS or reflex related

And its possible Streamline is detecting each game execution as a bug or something. It's true that every time I close the game I get a crash report. But only after closing. So maybe these files are generated after that

[unique cliff]

Weird, In this folder I only have CDPR stuff personally so idk. Its weird

I just deleted everything lol

Will see if the game still works

Seems it works exactly the same. So it probably was some sort of report or constant logging of something

[clear solstice]

Could be so many shaders from mods and what not possibly

Though idk how it would be like that for Witcher 3

For when I Skyrim mod it makes sense because switching ENB’s adds new shaders and what not

[unique cliff]

Ok found what it is. When I close the game normally more ofthen than not it crashes.

When it crashes it begins generating those logs, one PER SECOND

It doesnt stop until I kill the process from task manager. Closing the crash report is not enough cause Steam still detects the process running

This is insane lol

I just closed, got a crash and saw live how it was generating one folder per second xD

Also tried playing without the memory leak fix and got the fps drops after 10 mins, so the Ini indeed works good for me

Actually, I'm getting fps drops again after deleting the files

[sonic hawk]

Look

Just cap to 30

And MFG 8x it

That will be our future in gaming anyways

[faint ingot]

I actually considered doing this for Silent Hill 2 Remake

to avoid the stutters above 30fps

the new monster hunter is also quite playable at 30fps + framegen actually that surprised me

other games feel terrible though

[astral ridge]

WTF

my fps is the same as 14900k now

what was happening back then ?

[unique cliff]

I fixed it again. It appears it's a CPU ini that keeps my game from dropping fps, curious. I'll share it here in a bit in case anyone wants to try it since it has no quality difference, only performance

[faint ingot]

would like to know that too lol

novigrad drops into the 70's on my end in that place

[astral ridge]

test it multiple times, as many npcs as possible

the lowest i got there was 79

which is same as my 14900k wtf

[ebon shore]

gonna release an update with a second preset I think

just cause I find this part fun

[astral ridge]

tbf

i think the frametime consistency on 9800x3d is better

[unique cliff]

What´s the planned difference with the current one?

[ebon shore]

Just having fun with a "filmic" look

[unique cliff]

Uuu, cool

Dude I was using the accesory slot mod (a modified version that works in 4.04) and the Triss romance scene (with the mask and stuff) broke it and now it doesnt work anymore 😭

I wanted my pockets

[ebon shore]

I don't suspect it's something many will use really

[soft flame]

Ghost of Tsushima vibes