▫️Doom: The Dark Ages

[pale isle]

EU prices vary from country to country, idk where you live but I also wasn’t monitoring your market.

But if you’re saying that 20 Euro extra was criminal then you do you, broski.

[indigo wing]

even the original titan was more affordable at the time

[gaunt light]

cars are wayyyyy more expensive here

[pale isle]

They don’t NEED a card. Again, gaming is a luxury. And wanting to play at ultra presets or high refresh rate even more so.

If one’s financials are that tight, they shouldn’t be spending anywhere close to that much on a GPU.

[indigo wing]

netherlands

[pale isle]

With that said, for 40 series, the worst pricing was on 4080.

[gaunt light]

tf

[indigo wing]

my point is, the gaming luxury is moving from a thing that you can pay for, even at a higher price with a lower salary, to a thing that you can only pay for if you sacrifice everything or you are rich,

[gaunt light]

a used car here is about 7000 euro

lol

[indigo wing]

[gaunt light]

if i do the calculation

[indigo wing]

5080 is 1120 euro

ok this is a meme

[pale isle]

Idk, bro. Console gaming has mostly stayed around similar point.

Game Pass being a great value as well, etc.

Things change and I sympathize with that, but just … change a bit of habits, don’t buy games at launch at MSRP, etc.

[indigo wing]

I pay 500 euro in rent lmao

[pale isle]

But if your argument is that GPU itself is just too expensive then that’s another one.

We were talking about MSRP availability is all.

[indigo wing]

console gaming has been stable yes, but let's be honest, someone who grew up on pc gaming will not grab a controller

[pale isle]

Kb/M works on consoles now b

[indigo wing]

good luck doing that in siege

[pale isle]

And I grew up on PC, I still use a controller for certain stuff on PC.

Esports are an exception.

Your arguments are all on edge cases, man. lol.

[gaunt light]

same and i play 90% games with controller now

😩

[pale isle]

If you’re just looking for things to complain about then you do you.

[gaunt light]

especially games with dualsense support

[indigo wing]

my controller has a layer of dust on it

[pale isle]

You can find a good middle ground and live a satisfied happy life with what you can afford and control, make changes, et al.

Or you can … well, complain.

[pale isle]

Same lol

Except for FPS

[indigo wing]

look, I am not complaining, I can afford my hobby, I buy expensive GPUs and OLEDs. but denying the fact that gaming is getting more expensive is pure cap

[pale isle]

Like I heard DOOM got solid Dual Sense support but I can’t do it.

[gaunt light]

the dark ages is fine on controller i guess

[pale isle]

That game I grew up playing back in the day on KB only and with fast paced … I suck at controller for FPS, simply cause I won’t give it time to learn.

[gaunt light]

havent try that yet

[pale isle]

I heard it got a nice DualSense treatment so that’s nice.

[karmic thicket]

fps sucks on controller yeah

[gaunt light]

i barely play FPS with controller though

[pale isle]

AC Shadows had a really nice support, too. Played it with DualSense.

Actually wanna know a funny one …

Split Fiction.

Playing DualSense wired there gives me no rumble or haptics.

Wireless does. lol.

Using Xbox controller wireless also doesn’t give me any rumble.

Wireless DualSense been the great experience there, usually the other way around lol.

Steam copy, too.

[gaunt light]

i barely use my xbox controller now

[pale isle]

I have that only for stuff like Elden Ring.

[gaunt light]

dualsense is just superior

[pale isle]

And only cause I bought that sexy looking Starfield controller.

[pale isle]

It’s funny how far ahead in features it is to Xbox.

Sebile can’t come sooner.

[gaunt light]

the sticks are also way better on dualsense edge

[pale isle]

I keep trying to find reasons to buy Edge lol

[gaunt light]

dualsense edge has 1000 hz sticks

xbox is limited to 125HZ

[pale isle]

But I don’t know what I’d do with the extra keys in games I use controller.

What about Xbox Elite controller?

[gaunt light]

same 125 hz garbage

[pale isle]

Yikes.

[gaunt light]

dualshock 4 is 250 hz btw

and you can overclock it to 1000 hz

[pale isle]

I’d pay Sony extra for their proprietary BS dongle to give me a nice wireless experience on PC like I get on PS.

It’s not a limitation of BT either since it uses BT on PS.

They just won’t spend time to make proper drivers for it on PC

Sony being Sony tbh.

[gaunt light]

no its a limitation of BT (on pc)

[pale isle]

Lmao amazing.

[gaunt light]

on pc its generic BT

[pale isle]

The BT I have on my PC via dongle is newer version than the one in PS5, though.

The protocol is same used on both, I don’t think Sony is doing anything proprietary there?

[gaunt light]

well let me expain it this way

[pale isle]

It doesn’t even use 2.4 on console, just BT.

[gaunt light]

it's an open standard on PC

but on ps5 its proprietary protocol

sony's own thing

[pale isle]

Right, but protocol is same, though. So, they just need proper driver support on PC side.

[gaunt light]

apparently windows doesnt and cant support that

[pale isle]

Are you sure?

[gaunt light]

ya

[pale isle]

I’ve looked in past and couldn’t find anything regarding Sony using proprietary tech for it.

[gaunt light]

Bluetooth itself is not a proprietary protocol; it's an open standard managed by the Bluetooth Special Interest Group (SIG). However, many Bluetooth devices or systems may implement their own proprietary protocols on top of the Bluetooth base protocol for specific functionalities or optimizations.

[pale isle]

Right, and those optimizations come from driver level, no?

[gaunt light]

should be system level

i doubt its doable on windows

[pale isle]

IIRC, the possibility to make it work wireless on PC was driver.

But let’s suppose it is chip level, then ez.

Sell a dongle for $50 like Xbox did.

😭

[gaunt light]

you can probably do that with a dongle

[pale isle]

Their controller is just so much better that I’d legit pay that much for their dongle lmao.

Albeit, $20 would be ideal.

[bitter flint]

Can this be added to the pinned section? Took forever for me to figure out why the game still looked washed out after trying to manually lower the black floor.

[bitter flint]

To be fair this is still one of the only gaming accessories of it's type.

I consider it to be a near necessity if you want 4 player splitscreen on PC for any reason

[tranquil mirage]

It is in the pin

[bitter flint]

It's in the older pin which has incorrect information on the HDR midpoint. It would be good if there was one post with no conflicting information and all of the settings that need to be set

[tranquil mirage]

Perhaps, if you make one, someone will pin it!

[bitter flint]

lol, here I go

DOOM: The Dark Ages
mid point = exposure,
brightness = game paper white,
paper white = ui paper white,

set mid point to 10,
set brightness to your preferred paper white / 100 (e.g. 1.0 = 100 nits),
set peak nits to your display's peak / brightness (e.g. if using 2.0 brightness and 800 nit display, set peak to 800/2.0 = 400),
use Lilium HDR Shaders and tick "SDR Black floor Emulation" with processing cut off set to paper white (game brightness * 100)
Make sure to just enable "SDR Black floor Emulation" and change no settings on the "old black point" "new black point" or manually shift the gamma. Just enable "SDR Black floor Emulation" and match the processing cutoff to your paper white settings as instructed.

[pale isle]

https://gamerant.com/doom-dark-ages-harder-difficulty/

New hotfix made the game harder.

[waxen marsh]

Is there a way to stop the reshade menu from opening everytime u die or start a new chapter

Not sure why it’s only happening on doom for me

[pale isle]

It was a BS article, just played couple levels and difficulty been same.

[fading flax]

They actually made it a bit harder. Hugo said so on stream.

What they actually did is unknown though.

[fading flax]

Menu or the strip at the top that disappears after like 5 seconds?

[pale isle]

For lower difficulties then?

[fading flax]

All of them.

[pale isle]

Cause I’m already on nightmare and didn’t feel any change at all.

[pale isle]

The strip at the top.

[median fractal]

banger controller

[median nova]

two extra buttons are a total gamechanger (for me at least)

[pale isle]

Can y'all share your use cases for it, pls.

What do you guys use extra buttons for.

On back and front.

And what kind of games.

[median nova]

for Doom, it means being able to map every weapon to its own button (comfortably) and no longer needing the radial menu at all

[pale isle]

Yeah, that's nice. Albeit, FPS on controller isn't for me.

I'm really bad at it on controller, and really good at it with KB/M.

And no intentions on investing the time to get better with controller, as I'll never reach the same level as I have on KB/M.

But third-person, or even walking simulators with controller are fine for me, even if first-person.

Side scrollers and maybe even games like BG3 would be fine on controller? idk how they play, haven't played it, yet.

[median nova]

yeah normally not for me either. Eternal is a no-brainer win for KBM. But Dark Ages works very nicely with a controller for two reasons: the game is far less about quick-swapping, and the battles are far more 'horizontal' which makes aiming significantly easier than in Eternal

beyond that, I just love the dualsense features. The haptic feedback feels so damn good in a lot of games

including Dark Ages

[median nova]

you thought the SSG sounded great? Feeling it is even better haha

[median nova]

BG3 sucks on controller, I tried..

like, it's not unplayable or anything, but the gap between KBM and controller in a game like this is far too wide

[pale isle]

I see

Yeah, I still haven't found any good enough use cases for it 😦

I do wanna pick up Edge but I already have DualSense, and it's my favourite controller to date.

[median nova]

the price tag remains very hard to justify

[pale isle]

But Edge I'm failing to find any usecases for, for myself, that is.

Indeed, but I don't mind paying that pricetag if I actually end up using it for worthwhile stuff.

[gaunt light]

elden ring

letf for jumping and right for rolling

[pale isle]

I never had any trouble with default keybinds (after I got used to it), so doesn't seem like a huge upgrade for me.

But certainly a really nice QoL

Considering their jump keybind is ... 🙂

I guess rolling that way is really nice for bosses.

Anything else?

[median nova]

generally I use those two back buttons to map some of the face buttons (circle, triangle, etc). Why? It allows me to keep my right thumb on the stick so I can look around while using those buttons.

Dodging is an obvious one, but its great to assign to interact as well for a lot of games where you do a lot of looking+looting (Elder Scrolls for example)

In Monster Hunter, I have the two attack buttons mapped to the back-paddles, takes some getting used to but it's a fantastic use case there

basically the I rarely have to claw grip my gamepad anymore thanks to the backpaddles

I'd recommend you consider how much you're clawgripping your gamepad in various games, and consider whether that actually puts strain on your hand during longer gaming sessions. If not, I'd say you'll get very little mileage out of the Edge

[pale isle]

Hmmm, I guess that's a good point, if we're remapping front buttons to the back, to keep thumbs on the sticks and such.

MH Wilds is going to get another XXX hours out of me, and IMO that alone would be enough for me to get Edge for.

But I just haven't found a usecase that's a huge quality of life or saving a huge problem I have (idk what problems I even have).

[median nova]

And to be honest, while I love the Edge, I would not recommend it unless you find yourself really looking for that ergonomic boost or you have a lot of money for replacement parts.

The sticks in the Edge are basically just regular ol' sticks, which means they are prone to drift. Replacement sticks are expensive, and hall-effect sticks (that are basically immune to stick drift (and it's a crime that no one defaults them for their gamepads, but I digress)) are basically unavailable. If the Edge had hall-effect sticks, it would be an easy recommend.

[median nova]

I think you'll discover them as you go, at least I did. If you plan on playing a lot of Wilds, the Edge is fantastic imo

[median nova]

like, I'm loving this controller, but I dread the inevitable moment where my sticks go bad and it's gonna be hard or expensive to fix...

depending on where you live, you might be able to score hall-effect sticks for the Edge. If you can score those, you can pretty much have an invincible controller and the price tag is much easier to justify!

[steady gate]

Shame it has a QC of a fisher price toy

[steady gate]

I just have back buttons mapped to X an O
Which is usually jump and crouch/dodge

[median fractal]

Racing games, shifting up and down

[pale isle]

I mean, I can always ship it.

[median fractal]

Or sprint in elden ring

[pale isle]

That's dedicated for sim, don't need a controller for that.

[median fractal]

Jump in games like dda

[pale isle]

DDA?

[median fractal]

Doom dark ages

[pale isle]

Ah, okay.

[median fractal]

Dodge in many games

[pale isle]

Yeah, seems to be a common theme among users here for its usecase.

[median fractal]

Reload in bl3

[pale isle]

I guess these things haven't bothered me, but mainly cause I don't use controller for FPS.

Just third-person stuff.

[steady gate]

Being able to jump and slide/dodge on a controller without taking a finger off the right stick is a revelation

Some games have a bumper jumper mode, but few and far between

[median fractal]

Steam input also allows you to address the back buttons freely so its 2 extra buttons

[steady gate]

And using an external overlay can mess up menu controls

[steady gate]

That too

[median fractal]

And given how expensive "regular" controllers are i didnt mind the extra price for the back buttons

And replacable thumbsticks

[median nova]

yeah some games are easy with simultaneous Keyboard and gamepad inputs, so a very general use case could be to:

• map two important face buttons to the back buttons for easy access
• map those two face buttons to keyboard keys using steam input for various uses (like quick inventory access, item hotkeys, you name it...)

[waxen marsh]

Strip at top

[dreamy flame]

left stick in my edge went bad incredibly fast. i bought it around ffxvi PC release and it's already got bad stick drift

[pale isle]

I've yet to run into drift issues with DualSense, thankfully.

[dreamy flame]

i'll probably replace it with hall/tmr but desoldering modules in dualsense is pretty hard if you don't have a proper setup

[pale isle]

I have a couple basic ones in past, and replaced them with these two LEs. So far, no issues.

[dreamy flame]

i might just pay for a service to replace them

[pale isle]

I thought Edge gives hotswap option? Third-party no work with that?

[median nova]

yeah had mine for over a year with no issues yet. But like @steady gate said: there's very bad quality control here

[median nova]

invest in hall-effect sticks

[dreamy flame]

yea thats what i mean

[median nova]

(or TMR)

[dreamy flame]

yeah the sticks are hotswappable but they're still the bad old tech in the inside that develops a drift

[pale isle]

Ohhhhhhhhhhh

[dreamy flame]

plus you can't buy replacement modules because they're nowhere to be found lol

[pale isle]

Sticks themselves don't go bad, the shit inside does? Interesting.

[pale isle]

Not even from Sony? wtf.

[dreamy flame]

but yeah it's a bit easier to take them apart as you only open the stick module up

[median nova]

yeah, many of the hall effect sticks are more expensive per individual stick than an entire fucking DS5 controller 🤡 but hey I'd rather have peace of mind that they're never gonna break again

[pale isle]

Why is Sony the way it is, one of the pros of Edge was hotswap sticks, for most people in SK that I discussed.

[median nova]

I don't understand why none of the big consoles have moved to hall-effect, tech that's existed since the last century and has in fact been used by old shool consoles... (Well, I do understand: they sell more controllers this way)

really grinds my gears y'know

[dreamy flame]

yeah it's not like the hall effect thingies are too expensive either

[pale isle]

Well, the aftermarket ones are pretty expensive.

I always attributed cost factor for that, tbh.

Like he said, individual stick can be more than a whole controller price in aftermarket.

Economics of scale will bring it down significantly, of course. Especially when it's big names like Sony/Microsoft doing it.

But I'd assume that's the biggest factor for not including it.

[dreamy flame]

https://www.ifixit.com/News/48944/heres-why-ps5-joysticks-drift-and-why-theyll-only-get-worse

[median nova]

sometimes I feel crazy for buying fancy 200+ euro controllers that are inevitable to drifting, and fancy HDR screens that are OLED and are inevitable to burn-in

[dreamy flame]

eh burnin is a meme compared to stick drift

[pale isle]

I would never give up on OLED.

And yeah, what he said.

I've had drift on my Xbox One controller in past, after like hundreds of hours or w/e.

years of abuse on all my OLEDs being used 24x7, 40k+ hrs etc

[median nova]

I'm so sold on OLED that I'm prepared to pay a fat sum every few years for a new screen

[pale isle]

0 burn-in.

Fuck reddit for scaring me 🙂

[median nova]

but that's good to hear

[dreamy flame]

the drift i got in edge is crazy. i basically just played the major games that had haptics support that came out since september

and it's already gone bad

[pale isle]

Honestly, same. lol

~5 years of life out of an OLED is what I assumed would've been a good timeframe, if it starts to detoriate around that time, all good.

But I seem to swap them out long before that anyway, so. Every 2-3 years.

[dreamy flame]

anything that didn't have haptics i didnt play on the dualsense

[pale isle]

Yeah, I think you got edge case'd there with really bad QC or something.

At the end of the day, still an electronic item, and they can go bad. Sometimes the moment you plug 'em, sometimes 10 years later.

I'd be pissed AF that my Edge of all controllers went bad that quickly, though 🙂

[median nova]

yeah that sounds rough Ersh, you just screwed over there

[pale isle]

I'd be yelling at the sky like Kal does.

But to Sony, instead of Steam.

Warranty should cover it for you, though? No?

[median nova]

you do the whole panel refresh every few hours song-and-dance?

[pale isle]

Fuck no

I use it all day, close them when I go to bed.

Turn them on when I wake up.

But I have an aggressive 5min blackscreen screensaver setup, so I guess that also helps when I walk away here and there, but that's rare. I'm a hermit on computer all the time 🙂

I have all of them in my Apple HomeKit, so I have them setup in different 'scenes', too.

[dreamy flame]

i guess so? though it's going to go bad anyway. like i said i'll probably just do the TMR replacement

[pale isle]

Like this, I can talk to Siri to control all my panels, etc.

[pale isle]

Fair enough, yeah.

[median nova]

I even have most of my Windows modded to be true black haha, but to be fair it just looks sleek on OLED so that's nice regardless...

[pale isle]

I haven't found a nice true black theme that doesn't look like it's an accessibility feature, lol.

So, I just use normal dark theme.

[median nova]

I did it with a registry tweak, not ideal but it looks great, can share it if you want?

[wide pawn]

Doom DA?

[pale isle]

No, Windows.

@median nova SS if you got any how it looks maybe, can try then.

[median nova]

yeah I'll do it when I get home, at the office now

[pale isle]

This was a good watch, thanks for sharing.

[dreamy flame]

embed fail

[pale isle]

wow

[pale isle]

Is that the 'default' state after you leave it?

[dreamy flame]

yes lol

[pale isle]

That's fucking horrible lol

[dreamy flame]

terrible

[pale isle]

That's like something you'd see after YEARS and YEARS of abuse.

Definitely a really bad QC job.

MIght've been a whole batch problem, RIP.

[median fractal]

I've yet to run into stick drift period lol

Either i'm blessed or just use higher deadzones than others

[pale isle]

Well, if you ran into it, you'd find it even when standing idle in-game.

I found it in Dark Souls 3, with my Xbox One controller. And that's the only one I ever ran into issue with it.

Maybe PS2 ones back in the day, too.

[dreamy flame]

https://dualshock-tools.github.io/ you can test yours here

oh and i bought the edge because the normal dualsense developed drift in the left stick too

so..

[pale isle]

My primary DualSense with PC is good, thankfully.

My current oldest one, too. Not that it matters much ... seeing as how Ersh's went kaput much quicker.

[pale isle]

I have those limited edition ones, and I always figured if they went bad, I'd just buy another basic one, and swap out the housing 😄

[torpid steeple]

here's the balance changes made with the patch: https://x.com/DOOM/status/1925721303987757124

DOOM (@DOOM)

DOOM: The Dark Ages | "Tunables" aka Balance Changes so far

X · May 23, 2025, 1:11 AM

[pale isle]

ty

https://x.com/DOOM/article/1925721303987757124

I didn't know Twitter had article feature now.

[median fractal]

Will do later thanks

[runic crow]

cool stuff koklutz

admittedly I set the midpoint to 10 and brightess to 2

[gaunt light]

ill wait for renodx and pt update for next playthrough

[white talon]

I love my Edge controller! Do you know about this guy, offers module upgrades.
https://www.tonkamodz.com/shop/dualsense-edge/16
I’m also using Scuf Envision Pro, it’s extremely responsive.

[median fractal]

If he's not based in europe then likely not XD

I thought about sending in my 2 spare modules for tmr replacement but cant find any good shops in the eu

And i cba paying duty fees n shit

[simple ivy]

The muted, color palette (save for the orbs) and lukewarm HDR implementation makes for a presentation that reminds me of Gears of War 2, and not in a good way.

[waxen marsh]

Doom the gray ages

[vivid sandal]

Minus the slighty raised blacks and the way the settings can be a bit misleading, isn't the HDR implementation great, though?

[pale isle]

That slightly raised blacks aren't a huge issue either, cause it actually hides some shadow details. Especially in later levels, if you're using BFF, it can hide quite a bit more details. But it's really nitpicking in either scenario, IMO.

I overall preferred the BFF look, so I went back to that.

[pale isle]

Man, lmao. Kinda annoying how some of these rings are one-time only.

I missed a lil bit of gold and figured I'd come back later for it, in two diff places. Rekt now.

Only level I've missed stuff out on, too. Normally I get it as I run through things.

[steady gate]

HDR is great once you fix the gamma mismatch, it's just the game is going for the more muted look closer to 2016 than Eternal
But I wasn't a big fan of Eternal's "shiny theme park" art director, so it's fine by me

[steady gate]

Missed the same spot yesterday, lol
It's annoying how some gates just open when you progress the level but others don't

Also I had to replay fourth level because I've missed one gold tab, good thing the levels are actually pretty short if you don't look for the collectables

[pale isle]

Yeah, and revisiting old ones become much easier, too.

Considering you got new and powerful weapons etc.

This is the only level I fucked up this bad, there's one in chapter 3 or 4 that I need to get, it's like 97% but that's it.

[glossy thistle]

thanks for this. i see there are a few recommended settings but this seems to be the most current. just starting the game and will use these settings with G4 LG OLED thx

[pale isle]

It’s the correct one combined in one message, yes.

[glossy thistle]

this all look correct? Believe G4 OLED has 1500 nit peak.

Believe I got it right?
Beyond that never did understand ‘paper white’ very well. I’m playing in a pitch black room. Perhaps a paperwhite value of 1 would be more suitable?

‘HDR Paper White’ nits and ‘HDR saturation’ values are defaulting in the UI - 295.00 and 1.00 respectively. Assume with reshade active that these sliders are disabled?

[steady gate]

Paper white option is this game is just UI Brightness #1212434739500154921 message

Brightness is actually what "Paper White" is supped to do, but it affects the peak brightness

Mid point seems to be exposure, which is the same as paper white but done before tonemapping, so it does look slightly different vs brightness at the same value
but it doesn't affect the peak brightness slider

[karmic thicket]

i am supposed to set processing cut off in black floor fix to the same value as hdr paper white nits right?

[pale isle]

Yes

Whatever you set in brightness there, you multiply it by 100. And then you put that in BFF.

It's 200 in my case, I believe.

[karmic thicket]

so if you set 150, you'd do 15000 in the cut off? that doesnt make sense

[gaunt light]

lol

you cant do 150 in this game

[torpid steeple]

hdr paper white nits = ui brightness

in doom

[gaunt light]

ya you need to change brightness slider

not the in game paper white slider

[pale isle]

This slider, whatever you set here, base your BFF on that.

[karmic thicket]

ill just go with these lol
#1212434739500154921 message

i think my display can only do like 700 peak anyway

[pale isle]

No, that's before Musa's finding.

#1371673491912265828 message

This is most accurate we have thus far.

For BFF, apply this:

set brightness to your preferred paper white / 100 (e.g. 1.0 = 100 nits)

[swift bridge]

Might’ve been Polly’s finding idr

[pale isle]

I thought your math was improving on a few things like brightness slider, end result is pretty much same on both anyway.

[karmic thicket]

so 800 / 10.00 / 2.00 / 200.00 / 1.00
then in bff, what

[pale isle]

200

Also, just read that post, that's new and tells you exactly same thing.

[steady gate]

It's not really "improving" on anything
using brightness slider with midpoint at 1 gives you a 100% match for SDR but you need to calculate peak brightness
using midpoint slider with brightness at 1 gives you, like, 90% match for SDR, but you can use peak brightness slider normally

[pale isle]

I guess missing the multipler bit.

[karmic thicket]

but paper white (200) divided by 100 is 2 lol

[pale isle]

This slider is the real paperwhite, bro.

The in-game one only affects UI.

Just bad label.

[swift bridge]

Devs think paper white means ui now for some reason

[pale isle]

HDR Paper White Nits - Incorrectly named as it's simply a UI brightness, goes from 50 nits to 500 nits, defaults to 300 nits,

In KoKlusz's post you're following.

[swift bridge]

If you look at red dead 1’s code it says paper white for the ui brightness slider

In Spider-Man they also call ui brightness paper white

[karmic thicket]

ok cool, 200 bff-fix, then 800 / 10.00 / 2.00 / 200.00 / 1.00
should be good?

[pale isle]

mhm

[runic crow]

koklusz said set that to 1 and use midpoint 12

[gaunt light]

are you on a 1600 nits display

[steady gate]

No, with brightness at 2 you need to divide peak nits by 2 (brightness value)
So if you're targeting 800 nits you need to put in 400 nits peak

Unless you are targeting 1600 nits

or something

[runic crow]

what the heck

[karmic thicket]

this hurts my small pea brain

[runic crow]

is that why you set the midpoint to 12?

[steady gate]

Brightness slider is multiplying midpoint and peak nits values

[karmic thicket]

no it can do like 770 peak

[gaunt light]

you need 400

[steady gate]

Because I have brightness at 1, so this gives you 120 nits diffuse white (pre tonemapping)

[gaunt light]

peak brightness is not divided by paper white

[karmic thicket]

so game settings 400 / 10.00 / 2.00 / 200.00 / 1.00
then bff-fix 200

[gaunt light]

ya

[runic crow]

I guess that's the term we use for paper white now

[gaunt light]

no the midpoint is exposure

[steady gate]

You either keep midpoint at 10 and use brightness to scale, or brightness at 1 and midpoint to scale
DON'T USE BOTH AT THE SAME TIME

[pale isle]

Improving in the sense that before we were reudcing mid point to 9, and HDR brightness to 2.05, if your ntis target was 800.

Now we just raise midpoint to 10, and HDR brightness to 2.00 and that's it. And the latter option allowed for better clipping at around 800, then former, which I found and shared here that was going as hig has 900+

But largely, end result to naked eye remained the same for the most part.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372397388194517062/1372428085957234739/hdr10_clipboard.png?ex=6833ebc2&is=68329a42&hm=51ffaa9db46926eb8f831452ca932e424cee259aff774ec781f3493b448a3134&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372397388194517062/1372809602332229675/hdr10_clipboard.png?ex=6833fd92&is=6832ac12&hm=05067798b29f3b5f7bd74dea2527b6cc84054374be7ad36266d1c93fcefd3751&

[runic crow]

you mean midpoint 10?

[pale isle]

From day one when following polly's settings, and then with Musa's one.

[gaunt light]

increasing the midpoint leads to a slightly more washed out image

[steady gate]

Yes

[gaunt light]

we already discussed that

[pale isle]

You were playing without BFF, right? I guess that's why I haven't noticed it.

[runic crow]

diffuse white though

[karmic thicket]

so which one is the better choice

[gaunt light]

with

let me find the ss

[pale isle]

Oh, I thought you didn't like BFF here cause of the shadow details being lost.

Maybe it was someone else.

[runic crow]

never mind

[gaunt light]

midpoint 10 brightness 2 with BFF looks closer to sdr 2.2 200 nits

[pale isle]

Oh, I am talking about midpoint 10, not 20. Just raise from 9 to 10 basically.

I thought you meant 9 to 10 was that kind of a raise.

[steady gate]

Bot hare fine, scaling with brightness is technically more correct, but you need to calculate the peak nits value

[pale isle]

@karmic thicket your target is 800, right?

[karmic thicket]

yeah

[pale isle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372397388194517062/1372809602332229675/hdr10_clipboard.png?ex=6833fd92&is=6832ac12&hm=05067798b29f3b5f7bd74dea2527b6cc84054374be7ad36266d1c93fcefd3751&

Follow this, put 200 in BFF.

And go play.

[karmic thicket]

i do 200 paper but ok

[pale isle]

Yeah, that's fine.

That's just UI.

[karmic thicket]

i like my ui dim as long as its readable 🙂

[pale isle]

Speaking of UI

I really thought the colours and all that UI was gonna bother me quite a bit from preview stuff, and I kept complaining about it xD

Playing the game, thankfully non-issue.

[pale isle]

I should probably dim it, too. Just didn't felt like a concern so I kept it.

[karmic thicket]

if im running a game in hdr, ill dim it to like 100 if its still readable 🙂

[pale isle]

I play with HUD disabled quite often, too. So, non-issue for me even more so 😛

That SS is with that setting, and even then it's hard to cap it exactly at 800.

You'll see that one going to 866.

But overall looks good, and I just wanna play game, so I rolled with it.

[gaunt light]

only issue is that 0.005 nits black floor

[pale isle]

Man, in that level when we are around ||Cthulu|| and everything is green and such.

[runic crow]

hx310 black floor

[pale isle]

It actually got pretty hard in that level to see some details in shadows, nothing crucial, but like gates and all.

Some gates that didn't need to be open, just there for show, were barely visible with BFF enabled.

I played around plenty with that on/off in that area to see.

Thankfully, it wasn't really taking away from overall experience, and IMO, BFF was improving more by large than taking away.

So, I kept it on and continued to play.

[gaunt light]

probably the same as indiana jones

[pale isle]

I need to resume that game

[gaunt light]

in sdr the black floor might be 0.02 nits

so in hdr if you apply bff its more crushed

[pale isle]

I got so excited for RenoDX being worked there, then I found out .. no FG if I use that. 🥹

[pale isle]

RIP

[gaunt light]

need renodx to fix that

[pale isle]

I think I was playing that vanilla, stopped around that area when we get on a rooftop and see a city with blue moonlight hitting it.

Yeah, but then no FG

And that's a hard no-go cause of PT.

[gaunt light]

ya

vulkan reshade means no FG

[pale isle]

Maybe someday.

[pale isle]

And honestly, instances of it really going beyond 800 are very very rare.

I've only found edge cases, and even then nothing looked horrible.

By large, pretty much all cutscenes I've seen and analyzed, as well as actual gameplay in missions, etc. It's all capping nicely.

I got issues with F9 key.

[glossy thistle]

appreciate it all thk you

[glossy thistle]

speaking of FG, after installing/using reshade all was well. soon after i messed with quality settings and set FG to 2x (5090). freeze/broke - game borked. turned of FG back to DLSS quality or DLAA and all well.
FG breaking this game if reshade installed or just my bad luck/error elsewhere?
you mention PT - when is that going to b e integrated? heard perhaps in an update?

[glossy thistle]

oops should'a kept reading.

damn crazy never wouldl have thought?

[pale isle]

Just your luck, try again.

Use the latest ReShade in pinned here: #🧩renodx-dev

I’m also on 5090, and no issues.

[pale isle]

That’s for RenoDX mod itself, different discussion there.

[gaunt light]

installing as dxgi is compatible with fg

[pale isle]

Here you’re just using ReShade.

[gaunt light]

but renodx requires installing as vulkan

[glossy thistle]

i installed as vulkan

[pale isle]

Do dxgi loading.

[gaunt light]

Renodx in vulkan means no fg

[pale isle]

Can we load RenoDX for Indy as DXGI?

[gaunt light]

no

[pale isle]

[gaunt light]

the addon itself loaded but nothing

[glossy thistle]

anyone using RCAS for Doom DA? Linear? Value? Heard thats typically preferable to in game dlss sharpening...?

not even sure its needed as i can run on quality on even dlaa

[gaunt light]

i use 0 sharpening

for games with dlss transformer model

[simple ivy]

Has anybody figured out if we can disable that wind effect that washes out the edges of the image when you move at full speed?

[vocal rivet]

UI -> Screen Effects. But it gets rid of the other effects when you're low health, bite/scratch overlays

[simple ivy]

Cheers. That's a shame that individual fullscreen effects can't be togged.

[glossy thistle]

anything other components to install besides Liliums?

doubling checking, are these values correct for 1500 nit display?
#1371673491912265828 message

[pale isle]

Shouldn’t your max be 750?

[glossy thistle]

yea didn't think i could though - was tired as hell last night I'll try again. lol

[gaunt light]

looks fine

you can try peak 700 and brightness 2.14 then process cut off 214

for 1500 nits peak

[glossy thistle]

can't argue that. done and thanks

any benefit to setting 'processing coulour space to a different value ie bt.2020?

[glossy thistle]

FG works well now thx

[steady gate]

Not really, no

[eager hare]

not bs they tuned enemy damage and made the game less forgiving. you can check out exactly what changed on their twitter

[pale isle]

Yeah, we shared the patch notes later.

Barely felt it playing, though.

[eager hare]

most of the changes seem to be noticible on nightmare. def felt that shit on my UN playthroughs. insta death way too fuckin quick

[pale isle]

Yeah, that's what I've been playing on.

Once I knew the notes, I went to check and realized a bit has cahnged.

I think the only thing that was recognizable was shield breaking.

I thought I was fucking up or somehting, then read the notes and realized missing a parry means shield break, lol.

Neat changes, though.

[eager hare]

yup. now some attacks insta break your shield instead of damaging it

[pale isle]

Only if you miss the parry.

If you parry it, it's fine.

[eager hare]

also nerfed the ravager for bosses now 💔

[pale isle]

I heard that being really OP

[eager hare]

which is good i guess it did melt bosses before

[pale isle]

Never got to try it fully, as I'm dumb and enjoy using double barrel for the most part all the time.

[eager hare]

honestly with this game i go for any weapon i feel like using since all of them does the job basically

[pale isle]

Yeah

I was playing that way, then started doing the mastery challenge with double barrel.

And ended up sticking with it.

I do switch up here and there, though.

Need to do mastery for others, so gonna have to.

[median nova]

https://www.youtube.com/live/hgRsR1KgYhc?si=XUOjmu904VU_QQtW&t=3585

Joshua mentioned a HDR fix is coming

[steady gate]

Well I be dammed

I wonder how are they planing to fix it

if they even understand what's the issue

[karmic thicket]

god i hope so

they are targeting 2.2 gamma but windows is sRGB is the crux of the issue right?

so they need to target the sRGB piece wise curve? idk

[steady gate]

Anyway, finished the game yesterday
Personal ranking time

1. 2016 - Fury Road of the FPS
2. TDA - God of War (2005) of FPS
3. Eternal - Kingdom Hearts of FPS

[real wharf]

That was so weird... Did not see it all but someone telling the game director itself about that meme fix makes me wonder what's going on.

[karmic thicket]

did eternal have these hdr sRGB mismatch issues too?

[steady gate]

Yeah, it's wild how far the meme fix has reached, while we are yelling into a void
Makes me question what's the point on wasting my time on trying to come up with decent settings/fixes
At least renodx seems to took off

[steady gate]

There's no way to match HDR using in game settings with any SDR transfer function except G2.4, so I would say no
Whenever or not this is intentional or just a happy accident, that's another discussion

[real wharf]

You guys are doing a great job. I don't know where I found out the other day about this server's number and I had no idea that there was so many. Gladly surprised. HDR will take off.

[karmic thicket]

eventually*

then all the monkey brained masses will want oversaturated bright awful vivid mode HDR

[median fractal]

samsung syndrome

[gaunt light]

i bet they will jack up the contrast

[gaunt light]

yes, but in doom eternal its different tonemapper so doesnt really matter

[eager hare]

beat me to it

[gaunt light]

if you test more areas, you cant match sdr at all

which makes sense since its completely different tonemapper

SDR 2.4 300 nits / HDR custom settings (your recommendation)

SDR 2.4 120 nits / HDR custom settings

we can confirm from DF's interview of Billy Khan that its completely difference tonemapper in hdr

no reason to match sdr imo

or we are doing the plasma trick

apparently its ACES in HDR

blue to purple

[karmic thicket]

ACES 1.3 which is probably better than 1.0

[gaunt light]

no im talking about doom eternal

which is 1.0 or 1.2

[karmic thicket]

Ah right yeah

[gaunt light]

bright red doesnt exist

[median nova]

I'm surprised I beat anyone to it. I live under a rock, you know

[eager hare]

#Fair

is there any new developments towards a better hdr fix than lilums hdr reshade. (not that its bad i have no idea how hdr shit works i think it looks amazing but i dont know if it could be better)

[dreamy flame]

not much else to fix there really

there's just gamma mismatch and lilium fixes that perfectly

[pale isle]

Sliders are badly named, but when you know which slider does what, it's fine.

[dreamy flame]

oh right i forgot the sliders are dumb

[pale isle]

They did say they're gonna do an HDR fix, probably related to that.

[dreamy flame]

but yeah once you set them correctly its fine

[pale isle]

You finished the game, yet?

[dreamy flame]

havent played for a while

[pale isle]

lol, same.

3-4 days now.

Waiting on food to arrive, might hop on after.

I think I'm like chapter 16 or 17.

So, not far off.

[dreamy flame]

yeah i'm around chapter 17 too

lowkey want to play with pathtracing but that's probably a month away

[pale isle]

Yeah

Same

I think I'll do a speed run with PT on.

New weapons and all, the whole shebang.

idk if the game has NG+?

[steady gate]

Gamma mismatch, brightness slider overrides the peak nits, aces hue shifts

[gaunt light]

0.005 nits black floor

[median fractal]

what was the site you recommended to test stick drift called again? i cant find the message

[eager hare]

then whats renodx that i keep hearing about for this game

[gaunt light]

doom eternal needs a renodx mod

this game is mostly fine

(if you know how to fix it)

[dreamy flame]

https://dualshock-tools.github.io/

[dreamy flame]

most likely would be built in black floor fix and maybe some aces tweaks.
nothing major, game's hdr is fine already with the black floor fix and properly set up sliders

[pale isle]

Man

Any idea how to move save files from Game Pass to Steam?

Just redeemed the DDA copy from NVIDIA bundle, and have ultimate edition on Steam now, so extra cosmetics, hehe.

But surely not gonna start from scratch for it rn.

I've never tried to move saves from Game Pass to Steam, so no idea how it works.

[dark wharf]

https://github.com/Fr33dan/GPSaveConverter did you test this

[pale isle]

Nope, I'll give this a shot once I download the game on Steam.

tysm.

[median fractal]

ok i lied apparently i have a bit of stick drift on the right stick but nothing i cant fix with deadzones

[pale isle]

Okay, this looks promising. But ran into file translation error.

Looking that up now, but that shit seems oddly complicated.

[karmic thicket]

[pale isle]

If I select that, I get all this.

As in, game crashes and Bugsplat window.

[karmic thicket]

click le button and pray it gets fixed in a future update i guess

[pale isle]

I can continue my game in Game Pass

It's just when I'm trying to move files to Steam, it won't do it.

[pale isle]

This is after my attempt to convert Game Pass saves to Steam.

https://youtu.be/EdCjEr4-jfc

Trynna follow this and idk why the fuck this had to be this complicated.

[karmic thicket]

drm + microsoft is the reason

[pale isle]

True

But even that tutorial and tool, lol.

[karmic thicket]

never tried to do it

[pale isle]

Why can't Bugthesda just give cloud saves for me to use across launchers.

[gaunt light]

i just avoid playing games on xbox app

id rather just pay 70 dollars

[pale isle]

I love Game Pass

[pale isle]

So, have you used this app before? If so ... am I doing anything wrong here?

The Steam saves at bottom are named same as Xbox ones above.

Xbox just has 2 extra files, which I ignore and not load on Steam. But even if I do, save files are corrupted.

Am I fucking up in translation somewhere? It shouldn't need any translation, correct? Since the names are 1:1 matching?

[pale isle]

heh, officially they do support cloud saves.

But only across MS platforms.

[dark wharf]

i have not, i only know it exists
never needed to transfer saves between launchers

[karmic thicket]

cloud saves aren't even that good when the game graphics settings are always included as well
wish they'd fix it so that i could have 2 different graphics settings using the same game save

[pale isle]

I think this depends on game.

Sometimes I visit a really old game on Steam and graphics sometimes carry over, but it's SUPER rare.

Normally settings are in a different location than saves.

Like saves are in /remote/ folder of Steam, while settings are in our documents. So, unless you manually backup those settings, it'll be like new each time you launch.

Anyway, I think I'll just finish the Game Pass copy, only few chapters left.

And I've 100% it already anyway

And for Steam, before the DLCs come out.

I'll just use a save file off the internet or w/e other tool to unlock base game 100%, and play DLC after.

[gaunt light]

you can just replay the game, doesnt really take much time

i just finished my second playthrough

nightmare 150% game speed

[pale isle]

Yeah, I won't have enough time to do multiple runs like this.

I might do one with PT and such, but not sure.

Will likely revisit with DLC only now.

[steady gate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb1JKnsbI-E

[median fractal]

1gb patch?

no path tracing i sleep

[covert shard]

XD

[gaunt light]

let me fafo the default value lol

[dusky prism]

'some users'

only the ones with eyes, I guess

[covert shard]

It seems as though a Reno mod will be needed after all

Cause I think it’s safe to say at this point that they aren’t gonna fix it

He’s anyone actually attempted to pass along what the hdr issues are to them?

[gaunt light]

we are fucked guys

i cant match sdr with the new settings now

hdr is unfixable now

thank you id software

[wide pawn]

We got hit with the DevolveDXVK addon

[covert shard]

What did they change other than the contrast slider?

[gaunt light]

i guess theres a always on contrast filter now

no matter what contrast value you try, it looks different from sdr

SDR / HDR / HDR with BFF

[karmic thicket]

what is the most close to SDR, it was set at 0.7 here

[gaunt light]

nothing is close to SDR

0.6 looks more washed than SDR

but any value between 0.6 and 0.7 doesnt match SDR

[karmic thicket]

laaaaaame

[gaunt light]

and tbh, quite different

it seems like that slider not just mess with contrast

its also more saturated to my eye

[swift bridge]

What’s the 2nd image

[gaunt light]

no BFF

[swift bridge]

What contrast setting

[gaunt light]

0.7

[swift bridge]

How does the contrast setting affect the image. Does it only bring down the darkest shadows or does it bring down midtones

[gaunt light]

seems to be only shadows

[swift bridge]

Sounds fine I guess

Could be worse

Like god of war 2018

[gaunt light]

problem is no value matches sdr

[swift bridge]

Haven’t gotten far in the game

Someone mentioned it looked crushed

[gaunt light]

typo

just check the 3rd image

[pale isle]

This is post patch?

Like that 1GB one we just got?

[gaunt light]

@swift bridge I fucking figured it out

the brightness slider is applied before that contrast slider

with brightness 1 contrast 0.5 it matches sdr 100 nits, but brightness 2 contrast 0.5 looks significantly more washed out than sdr 200 nits

[swift bridge]

Shouldn’t the default value just do nothing

Or there be a value that does nothing

[gaunt light]

i think they messed up the order of these sliders

[swift bridge]

But shouldn’t there just be a value that does nothing so contrast doesn’t apply

Maybe they just gave users direct control of the minimum nits parameter or something idk

[gaunt light]

i think its an ACES parameter

which is always applied

[swift bridge]

People were saying bff looked crushed

So this might be better

[gaunt light]

not with brightness 1

brightness 1 with contrast 0.5 still matches sdr srgb 100 nits

[swift bridge]

In later areas of the game

[gaunt light]

i already finished the game twice

[swift bridge]

Ya but sdr 2.2 kinda looked crushed too is what they meant

[gaunt light]

i dont think this game is crushed

[swift bridge]

In Indiana jones I ended up liking how lowering min nits looked compared to bff

[gaunt light]

the early levels are actually more contrasty

if you dont mind spoiler i can show you some ss

i think chapter 4 is the most contrasty one

[gaunt light]

which is this

SDR srgb 100 nits / HDR brightness 1 / SDR srgb 200 nits / HDR brightness 2

all with 0.5 contrast

@swift bridge this is the real problem now, in game brightness is not paper white anymore, either they changed it or the contrast slider is always applied after

[swift bridge]

Looks like it’s time for ShortFuse to make a mod

[exotic sedge]

just saw they put this update out, any rec to match close to what we previously had?

[karmic thicket]

i hope this is a temporary measure prior to the proper fix they mentioned before

[gaunt light]

keep brightness at 1 and contrast at 0.5 then scale paper white with pumbo's shader

[exotic sedge]

so no bff?

[gaunt light]

everthing else is the same

BFF of course

[exotic sedge]

oh ok got

it

[gaunt light]

their approach is not good

lilium's brightness adjustment shader can do the same i guess

[potent bone]

Hey chat

So I got a LG g5

Was on a c1

First game I wanna try do I need too mess with any reshade stuff

I just smoked a joint and have no clue wtf I changed

I think I see it

[pale isle]

Mans seeing RenoDX colours IRL rn.

[potent bone]

Yes

That's the plan

I think doom is a perfect game too see the better colors

And the 165hz refresh rate

[gaunt light]

actually contrast 0.52 looks close to SDR

SDR 2.2 200 nits / HDR custom settings

[exotic sedge]

uhhhh which setting do i touch? for this. my oled peak is 1000 nits (MPG 321URX)

[pale isle]

That looks great

Pretty much same as SDR there.

What sliders do I gotta adjust now for that custom settings, with 800 nits target.

[gaunt light]

Doom: The Dark Ages recommended settings

• download the lastest reshade and install all lilium's hdr shaders
• if you want to use FG, you need to choose DX10/11/12 instead of Vulkan when you install reshade
• set in game settings: HDR Mid Point 10.00 HDR Brightness 1.00 HDR Contrast 0.52
• use Lilium's HDR black floor fix shader and tick SDR Black floor Emulation with processing cut off set to 100
• use Lilium's HDR Brightness adjustment shader to scale the paper white (e.g. set linear gain factor to 2.00 for 200 nits)
  **DO NOT MESS UP THE ORDER **, Lilium's HDR black floor fix should be ABOVE Lilium's HDR Brightness adjustment
• set HDR Max Nits to target peak/linear gain factor (e.g. for 1000 nits peak and 200 nits paper white, set HDR Max Nits to 500)

@pale isle

[gaunt light]

check above msg

[exotic sedge]

got it thanks

[pale isle]

Danke, mate.

Last 2 chapters left for me to finish, lol. Might do it tonight, if I get free time from Dune.

[covert shard]

Do you guys think it’s worth anything to try and reach out to ID?

Surely this is just a lack of knowledge of the issue on their end

[swift bridge]

Unless you know someone in a key position they’ll probably ignore it

[gaunt light]

i do know someone took part in this game but he was nowhere near key position and he left id software before the game came out

[covert shard]

They seems to REALLY want you to know you can reach out to support to report things every time you open the game and in every blog they publish

So it’s worth a shot ig

Would be nice to be able to play an hdr game for once without reshade lmao

[potent bone]

Heyyyy

What about me brand new g5

[gaunt light]

peak brightness 1250

everything else you can copy paste

[potent bone]

I don't have that other fix

HDR brightness adjustment

[gaunt light]

install the lastest reshade with liliums shaders

check all his shaders when installing

[potent bone]

With full addon support right

[gaunt light]

not necessary

we dont have renodx addon for this game yet

[potent bone]

I don't have permission wtf

[potent bone]

Still didn't install or wasn't there

[gaunt light]

its not under the shader list when you install the shaders but you will get it in game

[swift bridge]

@steady gate may have already typed out a bug report unless that was for another game

[gaunt light]

iirc its tlou2

broken brightness slider

[gaunt light]

reshade version?

[potent bone]

The newest like u said

[gaunt light]

im using the shortfuse version

[potent bone]

Huh

[gaunt light]

check pins in the renodx thread

[potent bone]

Lm uninstall it fully

Nope

This one right

Cuz

I can't

Me when I'm not admin on my own PC

Fuck windows tbh

Such a shit os

So what do I do

Cuz ran it as an admin

So

Can I not do this on gamepass Version now?

I could before

[swift bridge]

gamelaunchhelper.exe

[potent bone]

That's what I've been doing

And it no give the setting

So am confused

[swift bridge]

there's a json file I think

where it shows all the vulkan exes that have reshade enabled

you can remove it from there

can't remember where it is though

[potent bone]

Neat

I'm prolly just gonna play another game at this point

I don't even really wanna play doom now

If u remember lmk for sure tho

Just wanted too test my new g5

[gaunt light]

Basically any game with renodx

[potent bone]

really wanna watch tv soon

[gaunt light]

doom is not a good test for new TVs

[potent bone]

cyberpunk star citizen and red dead i all wanna play soon

why not?

i thought doom was very pretty on my c1

[waxen marsh]

Yeah cyberpunk with renodx is amazing

[gaunt light]

yeah renodx for cyberpunk is one the most transformative ones

[potent bone]

is rednodx the only hdr fix mod i need

[waxen marsh]

Yeah

[gaunt light]

yes

[potent bone]

cuz i had one for a black foor fix too

[waxen marsh]

Reno fixed black floor

[gaunt light]

nothing else needed

[potent bone]

i need too remod cyberpunk

[waxen marsh]

There’s a new patch coming end of June

[potent bone]

ofc

kms

[gaunt light]

well there are some other mods fix various issues

[potent bone]

this is how many i had

[gaunt light]

but in terms of hdr no other mods is needed

[potent bone]

yes but a shit ton of others are

anways does elden ring have a rednodx

[gaunt light]

wip

[potent bone]

how close do we know

gonna start seemless run here soon with some friends

[gaunt light]

theres a thread for it

fromsoftware engine

[potent bone]

ight

is battlefront 2 hdr okay

[gaunt light]

maybe witcher 3

renodx was released a few days ago and it look great

[potent bone]

prolly gonna play deadlock then that

[potent bone]

for witcher?

never really played them i have it idk if i like tho

[gaunt light]

I highly recommend (the renodx for it)

[potent bone]

if i play it i will

[karmic thicket]

do these look correct?

target 800nits

[torpid steeple]

hdr brightness should be 2, not 1

[gaunt light]

no the lastest patch broke it

[torpid steeple]

ahh

[karmic thicket]

this says 1

[torpid steeple]

i'm not up to date

ignore me

[gaunt light]

whats your processing cut off

[karmic thicket]

100nits on bff

[gaunt light]

Cant tell from my phone

should be fine

[karmic thicket]

ideally i'd like 150nit UI but someone said it's not viable in this game

[gaunt light]

75 nits in game then

since you do a 2x scale on everything

[karmic thicket]

the other settings look ok?

[gaunt light]

ya

[karmic thicket]

ty polly

[gaunt light]

so basically they added another useless slider with fucked default value

[karmic thicket]

and all they needed to do was read kal's support ticket probably

[bitter flint]

I'm still getting black screen at the main menu

With reshade that is, in Vulkan

[onyx girder]

are you using special K?

i get that too and had to stop using it

[bitter flint]

Dang, thanks that might be it

Special K fixes reflex though. Annoying... might have to add reshde through Special K then. Thanks

[onyx girder]

no matter what I tried i couldnt get special k to work. it work on release, but after the game got updated or something it stopped working

[gaunt light]

no need just install reshade as dxgi for now

vulkan reshade is only required for future renodx mod

[swift bridge]

C:\ProgramData\ReShade\ReShadeApps.ini

[faint bison]

Lilium's HDR Brightness Adjustment does the same thing as using Pumbo's to increase/decrease paperwhite, correct?

[swift bridge]

this contrast slider is ass

shadows just clip

[gaunt light]

Yes

[swift bridge]

must mean that it applies before tonemap

they changed the behavior of the brightness slider too

increasing brightness doesn't overshoot peak

[gaunt light]

Its broken anyway

to match sdr you need different combinations of brightness and contrast

completely nonsense shit

[karmic thicket]

it works fine, i have SK + reshade + the fixes working together here, you need dxgi overlay set in vulkan swapchain nvcp

[gaunt light]

well

probably its always fucked if you set the brightness to anything other than 1

[karmic thicket]

meme fix, i hope they have a better one in the pipeline...

[bitter flint]

Will a Vulkan fix come down the line?

[gaunt light]

what do mean vulkan fix

vulkan reshade not compatible with fg ?

no idea

[bitter flint]

No I mean it crashing at the main menu in Dark Ages. I uninstalled Special K and it still happened when installing Reshade as Vulkan. Still only works when loading as DXGI.dll

I saw a reference to an old Doom Eternal fix that allegedly still applies here but I do not know where to change the JSON config for reshade for an indivual install and not a global install

[swift bridge]

i tried loading doom with vk reshade and it also wasn't working

[night plover]

u can prevent doom from updating for now, just launch it via DOOMTheDarkAges.exe, u may add +com_skipIntroVideo 1 +r_allowBlackListedLayers 1 to the shortcut

[swift bridge]

oh right forgot about the shortcut stuff

[night plover]

that's funny, coz my gamepass expired a few days ago, but as its denuvo ticket seems to be still valid, it launches with no issues whatsoever ;((((((((((

[steady gate]

that was for TLoU2

Even aside from contrast not scaling with brightness, that game has a 0.12 black floor lift, so increasing the contrast too much just clips shadows at that value

This needs a comprehensive fix

And folks at id clearly don't know what they are doing with the HDR

[swift bridge]

rip

[gaunt light]

they changed the behavior of the brightness slider, it is more washed out than it should with values above 1

so basically 3 of their sliders are useless or broken now

[steady gate]

I mean, you're probably one of the more competent people that could explain to them what exactly is wrong and how to fix it, with the code examples and such
You could show them your work on IJ as an example

[pale isle]

@swift bridge can we pin this, pls.

[stark walrus]

Is there a way to have the HDR be working properly with the new changes at 200 nits paperwhite ? Or is it only possible to match 100 nits now ?

Nvm I think I found the info

[simple ivy]

Thanks, polly. This looks pretty good.

[covert shard]

looks mostly correct but im seeing peaks slightly above 1000 occassally

into the 1200s when i stare at fire in the opening level for example

it was the reticle

now i just cant hit above 920

lmao

i manged to see 1k for a split second by shoving my face into random clumps of fire

so i think its just the game

found some torches in siege part 1 that his 1020 so it is for sure just the game

[frank pewter]

900/2160

[covert shard]

what

[frank pewter]

lmao

me: thinks im typing in the calculator app

also me: sending a discord msg instead xD

ima leave it up

enjoy ^^

[covert shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550095122570805268/1380376814731657316/twitter_1926788618732843232.gif

[stark walrus]

So how does one aquire the Lilium's HDR Brightness adjustment shader ? It's not in the list when installing lilium hdr shaders with reshade.

Nvm again, it shows up in game with short fuses reshade version

[gaunt light]

pretty sure its just some grain from sharpening

sharpening 2.0 / sharpening 1.0

but most of the time you barely hit the target peak brightness

could also be the dof effect on ui

check the top right corner

its just the ui

[covert shard]

All of my tests were done with no grain, sharpening, etc

[gaunt light]

UI

check ss above

[covert shard]

:)

Game seems to hold the last bit of brightness for the crosshair maybe?

so it can be brighter than a highlight it’s over? Kinda smart

[gaunt light]

there is a transparency effect when ui elements is on top of something

just check my ss

top right corner

[covert shard]

I see

I’m referring to crosshair specifically

[gaunt light]

ya should be same

just some ui

[faint bison]

So I watched like a 1hr lore video on the entire Doom series last night on youtube. Sounds like the storyline is coherent and interesting until you get up to like doom 2016, then it just becomes absolute nonsense lol

[covert shard]

it makes sense and is coheart

its just very very large and complicated

[faint bison]

I think it got overly complicated and weird. Sort of like Halo lore after Halo 3

[covert shard]

i got bad news if you think halo lore wasnt complicated in 3 LOL

[faint bison]

3 started getting complicated

agreed

Halo 1 lore is the best 🙂 They retconned a ton of shit after that

same with ME1 lore

[covert shard]

i mean to each their own but i dont think this lore is partially hard to follow if you play the games

[faint bison]

Well I was watching a video that clearly laid it out piece by piece. Just meant it started to get silly from 2016 onward ha

Clearly a change of direction

[covert shard]

i mean to be fair the last piece of actual lore in the main timeline before doom 2016 is fucking doom 64 LOOL

[faint bison]

But I mean it IS Doom. So it's not like the early lore isn't silly either

haha yes

[covert shard]

doom 3 only technically counts but not really

[faint bison]

Was Doom 3 canon? I feel like it wasn't but idk

Because it re-told the story

I loved Doom 3 though. That game is really good

[wet pasture]

How bad is the default HDR experience now? Dreadful?

[faint bison]

I have a memory of playing Doom 3 in my basement with the lights off with headphones on. My dog snuck up to me and put his face in my lap just as a zombie thing popped out in the game. I almost crapped my pants.

[sweet ivy]

maybe a dumb question but should I set the in-game paper white slider to 200 as well?

[indigo spire]

Damn still no PT

Is there any update yet on when we can expect it

[wide pawn]

JuneTM

[gaunt light]

in-game paper white is just ui brightness, set it to whatever you like

[sweet ivy]

oh yeah duh. I knew that but forgot thanks @gaunt light

wack ass sliders

[gaunt light]

ya completely nonsense

3 of the 6 sliders are useless

[gaunt light]

lol

he recommends contrast 1

which completely crushes all shaodw details in later chapters

btw he is still in the first chapter after one month

[karmic thicket]

question, is it possible for a game to use the sRGB space in HDR and not have raised black levels? I'm wondering how the sRGB curve issue gets solved. Does Microsoft have to fix it or can game devs target sRGB without raised black?

[gaunt light]

unrelated, with gamma mismatch game can still reach 0 nit black

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qk5xNeaZRU

this game has gamma mismatch

[karmic thicket]

so do game devs ever target sRGB?

[gaunt light]

dead space remake is very likely to target sRGB

[karmic thicket]

what about something like halo infinite?

[gaunt light]

im pretty sure

all microsoft games have gamma mismatch

maybe not all but 99%

the thing is 99% of displays dont even support srgb gamma

its very unlikely for devs to target that

at the end of day they are most likely to view their games on 2.2 displays

[karmic thicket]

so basically the solution is to allow the user to pick the tone curve as a setting

[gaunt light]

ya

in sdr

[karmic thicket]

what about in hdr

i thought the problem is the hdr tone curve

[gaunt light]

hdr has no gamma

it uses absolute values

so it should always be their target gamma

the last of us part 1 and part 2 both target 2.4 gamma

[karmic thicket]

so what is doom tda targeting in HDR then?

[gaunt light]

2.2

[karmic thicket]

what are they doing wrong then?

[gaunt light]

we can tell from the sdr calibration menu

they encode with srgb

but target 2.2 displays

its pretty common nowadays

[karmic thicket]

so what should they be doing?

[gaunt light]

apply gamma correction in hdr

just like the sdr gamma emulation option in lilium's BFF shader

in sdr, your display will do that for you (because its 2.2)

[covert shard]

A good example is that sdr content doesn’t get over saturated in hdr mode because the monitor displays what it’s told instead of changing it to fit the display

Where as most gaming monitors will push sdr content to fit the gamut of the monitor and make it over saturated

It’s a similar effect with the gamma issue as far as I understand it. Except this is bad instead of good.

[potent bone]

This did not work

Okay I got it tho

[potent bone]

Wait why 1250 that seems low

Or is it doubled cuz of the gain thing

Holy shit this game uses ur cpu

[potent bone]

Well I got it working I think but some spots felt super dimm

[crude star]

OMG they totally broke HDR with that update

[crude star]

so is it possible that one day there will be a RenoDX for DOOM?

[dark wharf]

there is one for Indiana Jones on the same engine/vulkan window
so yes it is possible, just a matter of who will put in the work for it

[crude star]

I just hope the guys at HDR Den are aware of the existence of a new DOOM game

[covert shard]

what

[crude star]

I was being sarcastic

[sterile stag]

patch just dropped for this on steam, 242.6MB no patch notes yet

[karmic thicket]

on this weeks episode of messing up HDR.... brought to you by Id Tech

[karmic thicket]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3017860/view/535478910131897043?l=english

[eager hare]

so is the hdr now fixed or ruined now

[wide pawn]

fixed?

we dont do that around here

We add contrast slider and lower it in an attempt to hide gamma mismatch

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[eager hare]

didnt the hotfix yesterday fix that or am i not undestanding the fix itself