▫️Doom: The Dark Ages

[pale isle]

With and without upscaling, yeah. It was that.

I doubt DOOM is like that, so likely CPU bottleneck. But maybe check more benchmarks.

My RAM + GPU is OC'd, FWIW.

CPU is stock.

[daring gulch]

Going down through the settings to high barely gets an increase of 10fps

[pale isle]

Sounds about CPU bottleneck to me, broski.

[daring gulch]

NVIDIA app can't access the in-game settings so need to reinstall to turn off framegen so game will start

[pale isle]

Try latest drivers and stuff, maybe?

[pale isle]

Look for .ini file maybe?

Sorry you running into random ass issues like that, though.

Sucks.

[daring gulch]

CPU was at 30% usage, can that still be cpu bottleneck?

[pale isle]

Yes

CPU doesn't need to be at 99% to be a bottleneck.

5800X3D has shown its age in numerous games thus far, it's a great CPU but it's very old now for these games.

[smoky widget]

guys, how to install lilums hdr on gamepass version?

[pale isle]

Are you playing the game with or without SK?

[smoky widget]

no sk

[pale isle]

Here, they can help better on it.

idk what drop it in the launcher means, so can't help.

[dusky prism]

I don't know what earlier reviewers of this game were smoking when they were critical of it

[pale isle]

Looks like throw the ReShade next to gamelaunchhelper.exe

[dusky prism]

this game is INSANE

[pale isle]

I am still trying to find the 'slow' nature of it, lol.

But I also don't read/watch reviews.

That impression only came to me from DF videos.

[dusky prism]

it's impressive on every level

[pale isle]

I really thought it was gonna be rather slow, but it's not.

[dusky prism]

so refreshing to see destruction in video games again

[pale isle]

Game speed on core feels more than Eternal for me as well, but I haven't played Eternal in a hot minute so you can probably tell better.

[dusky prism]

the 'megazord' robot sections are 🔥

[pale isle]

The shield itself is a good replcaement for grappling hook, cause I can still cover distance in a split second with it.

Cool down isn't bad either.

[sweet ivy]

The first level is a great test for black balance lmao

lots of black

and yeah the shield charge is fun

[pale isle]

Z:\Games\Xbox\DOOM- The Dark Ages\Content

Throw the ReShade DLL there, as well as your Shaders/Textures folder from Lilium and it'll work.

[pale isle]

Hahaha

Does it lessen in later levels?

I was curious about that.

[sweet ivy]

anyone find a UI transparency slider anywhere? I think eternal had one, would be nice for my OLED

[daring gulch]

Deleted reshade game opened. Turned off framegen, put settings to Low and now averaging 85fps lmao

[sweet ivy]

levels get more colorful later, yeah

[pale isle]

HDR Paper White Nits is UI brightness, idk about transparency slider. If you do, LMK pls.

[sweet ivy]

this games paper white seems to affect other things so I would rather have a separate transparency slider y'know what I mean

[pale isle]

I believe HDR Brightness is paper white, and Paper White Nits is UI only.

But not 100% sure.

Iorek can suggest better.

[sweet ivy]

also i think UI transparency looks better than just turning down the brightness

[pale isle]

Agreed, if you find it, do let me know. 🙂

Or any mod you come across, etc.

[smoky widget]

@pale islethank you, i ended up with a special k way

[pale isle]

Nice.

I’m using it that way, too.

[vital bane]

So, whats the best way to use hdr currently? just special k or reshade?

[pale isle]

Is there a hotkey or a mod to hide the HUD with hotkey?

[pale isle]

Game has native HDR, you don't need SK HDR for this.

Look at pinned comment for good HDR settings.

[vital bane]

I heard there was black level raise?

[pale isle]

You can fix that with ReShade.

Again, read the pinned comment. It talks about it.

[pseudo canyon]

yeah something definitely wrong there bro, I'm running 4080 + 5800X3D and get 80-90fps at 4Kres with Quality DLSS everything cranked up as far as it goes. with DLAA I get around 55-65fps...The cpu is definitely not the bottleneck

[daring gulch]

Yeah I'm thinking there is something going on. Because 10fps difference between low and ultra nightmare settings

Ddu'd and reinstalled latest drivers, no change

[pseudo canyon]

oh yeah that is crazy

[pale isle]

Ultra Nightmare and all, right?

[pseudo canyon]

yep

[pale isle]

Yeah, then something fucky wucky for him.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372397388194517062/1372442234649182228/hdr10_clipboard.png?ex=6826c9ef&is=6825786f&hm=ed5dd18e64350430ce9f193354e45caefc92e06dd3e2b6bb963eb4fe933781c9&

mfw I left a secret behind

I thought they were all marked on map?

[swift bridge]

I'm barely bothering with exploration

just trying to enjoy the game

[pseudo canyon]

not all of them it seems

[pale isle]

The map makes it easy for collectibles.

[pale isle]

Right?

[swift bridge]

haven't even opened the map

[pale isle]

Or do you have to unfog the area for it to show?

[pseudo canyon]

the map is pretty good in this game

[swift bridge]

the mech and dragon mini games aren't bad

but still feel unecessary

[pale isle]

This was a skin I found in first level.

It's called 'nightmare', idk if it's available at other difficulties?

If so, maybe that secret I didn't get is on those permadeath difficulties?

[pseudo canyon]

no because i got that skin and im not playing on nightmare, i think it is unrelated to difficulty

[pale isle]

Hmmm

I wonder if just broken or what, or some secrets are really secrets.

Okay, looks like the first one isn't marked on map. Lemme go and collect it to make sure it's same.

Not sure if other levels will follow same or what, but yeah.

[wet pasture]

How do I calculate what BFF processing cut off to use for my display? So my tv's peak brightness is 1360 nits, and I can use lilium HDR analysis to make sure that's working - but what about bff cut off?

[pale isle]

It wasn't marked as a secret and shit on map, @pseudo canyon

It was just a boarded up wall to be broken, it's here.

So, just gotta pay attention to that stuff in future maps, I guess. But nbd, I was just curious if broken or what 😄

[pale isle]

The pinned comment explains it, mate.

[swift bridge]

Has no relation to the display’s peak

It’s just supposed to match paper white

[wet pasture]

Oh sorry the pin is longer than I thought! Hah, whoops. Thanks. I'll just leave it at 2.5 brightness, 210 nits

I'm in my late 30s and my body has woken up early, like it's Christmas morning, because I'm too excited to play this

❤️ our hobby

[dusky prism]

I stayed awake through the night to play haha

too good

actually a fantastic game

[swift bridge]

I’m surprised that I’m enjoying it

Doom always struck me as an epic reddit game

So I reflexively was grossed out by it

But the parrying is pretty nice here

Just play on hard and lower the parry window

I have it at 2

Might lower it to 1

[compact shoal]

i feel like the timing slider is bugged, even on the lowest its like a 1 second window

[pale isle]

First DOOM game for you?

[real wharf]

I've always wanted to experience the gameplay evolution from Doom 2016 to Eternal and now this. But did not play any. Haha. Now I guess I'll just jump to this one since those visuals and the enemies and cutscenes look amazing to be on a backlog. Might wait for PT though.

[pale isle]

wtf, update already?

[wide pawn]

He saw the meme videos of switching weapons every 5 nanoseconds and spazzing out on the screen doing 720° flips every 2 seconds - Fell for it

[pale isle]

bruhhh

Are we supposed to kill those fucking witches standing in a circle praying and shit? lmao

I just jumped and they died, I never realized if I'm supposed to ..

[wet pasture]

The game feels so good. Locked 90fps max settings DLSS Quality.

Using the pinned HDR approach looks great but I do feel I want a bit more pop actually (sorry). Might raise brightness and push a bit past me usual peak brightness to get more things (pickups) popping a bit

[oblique goblet]

I'm reading RT is forced on

[wide pawn]

It is

Game was made with RTGI in mind from the ground up

[oblique goblet]

hmm this going to be hard to lock 120fps

i'll wait for more benchmark

according to random comments
If you play on low reflections, the RT turns off

[gaunt light]

nonsense

[real wharf]

PT when? Haha.

[oblique goblet]

performance isn't that bad on amdhttps://youtu.be/6dYWRiQa_vI?si=SCt9C0-VF5jFL7E6

with the right preset and upscaling, it's decent

[real wharf]

Wow. Doom 2026 and DA have almost the same 70 GB size.

[pale isle]

69GB

[daring gulch]

Okay I went to work, came home and I'm getting the expected 100fps average with dlss quality on a 5800x3d + 4090 4k ultra nightmare everything

Didn't change a fugggin thing

[wide pawn]

The PT update will be adding SER too

We'll see what perf boost that provides

[gaunt garnet]

sorry guys but i am kind of lost here. for an LG Oled C9 (@750nits):
ingame max nits ~400
hdr brightness 2.05
bff 172?

[gaunt light]

yeah should be fine

[daring gulch]

Since my initial trouble I've had zero problems not a stutter not a dropped frame. I kneel before idtech8

[real wharf]

Crap. I do a regular ReShade install, but ReShade cannot find the shaders...

Any tips on this for Game Pass users?

[real wharf]

Solved by installing it for DX instead of Vulkan...

[real wharf]

Hay mate. May I ask how was you latency with MFG X4? I tried X3 and it goes to really bad territory like 80 ms PC Lat. I remember this was the case with Cyberpunk and thought MFG was not that good, but enabling V-Sync made it go down to really enjoyable 40 ms. Now there's no way I can make Doom DA X3 MFG go any lower. Seems like Reflex is indeed not working as intended. Would you say so?

[wide pawn]

SK is reporting 40ms but I don't know how accurate that is considering Kal said Reflex is broken for DA

From vibe feeling it, it is definitely under 50ms for me

I could try Nvidia overlay but I'm guessing it will report the same for PCL

[gaunt light]

pcl is the most accurate one you can get from software

[wide pawn]

Using Nvidia overlay?

[gaunt light]

yeah

thats the most accurate latency number you can get from software

[wide pawn]

Got it, will upload a pic of the latency when I get home in that case

[real wharf]

Cool. I'm not really that familiar with all this and started to pay closer attention just a few months ago. So I wonder if this is something that devs. usually fix or goes into oblivion like HDR fixes. Haha. I mean... Reflex is really needed of they want MFG to be a viable option.

Although if you have a high refresh rate monitor it's quite usable, but many OLED users around still locked at 120 Hz.

[white talon]

LG G3 owner here, I have Film Maker mode hard clip at 1500 nits. For native HDR no mods leave Max Nits at 1000? Sure looks punchy. Sorry the comments are coming in as fast as Doom enemies I can’t find recommended native settings.

[wide pawn]

The game uses the brightness settings as a multiplier for peak brightness

Polly explained it

So if you use 2.5 (default) for game brightness e.g 210 paper white

You'll want to divide that by whatever your peak brightness is

1500÷2.5=600nits peak brightness

[wide pawn]

Just based of what we've heard from Kal and Nukem, it is 99% a developer skill issue with implementation

I can't say that DA's reflex is entirely dog shit, the game is playable for me and the frametimes and game are smooth

But there are games where reflex and by extension FG result in bad frame pacing

Mountain peaks in the graph with all sorts of small hitches and bad pre frame gen pacing

Which is why I use SK's Pace Native Frames to solve those issues (to the best of what SK can do at least)

[quick mountain]

for me not working reno and reshade. How can you use it? My game crash immidiately aftr starting

[wide pawn]

Nevermind bois and girls, KoKlusz has posted

#1212434739500154921 message

[quick mountain]

thanks

[wide pawn]

I just realised

[quick mountain]

IAm waiting path tracing update. I hope they will release soon

[wide pawn]

that it isnt Polly who posted

hmm game brightness 1.0 is 84nits though

I will need to see which of these settings I prefer

[quick mountain]

Why they didnt release path tracing? Why they dont release later ? seems to be weird decision...

[wide pawn]

🤷‍♂️

Implementation quirks

who knows

[dark wharf]

it's gonna be added later
probably some last minute issues

Indy took like 3 months to add rt local shadows...

[gaunt light]

ya

and the shadows arent path traced afaik

[thick rain]

polly says dont touch the midpoint but this recommends bumping it up to 12, what's the call

[torpid steeple]

koklusz way is probably best since there's no weird math happening to affect the peak brightness

[wide pawn]

Wait for Reno

The great equalizer

[torpid steeple]

testing old and new settings... it's almost identical. new way is just easier

[hasty orbit]

Trying to follow this guide but not seeing any ICtCp option, only YRGB, RGB in PQ, and RGB. Any idea why?

[white talon]

I’m going back to Expedition 33 maybe the devs will have a fix for HDR soon. 🤣

[gaunt light]

yeah

doesnt really match imo

they probably did some cursed shit

[swift bridge]

He’s using an old version of the shader. I wouldn’t recommend those settings though they clip shadows

[gaunt light]

the black floor lowering option just clips shadows

no need to use that

clipping shadows for perfect blacks is non sense

[odd lava]

Anyone know how to get rid of all these warnings every time I start up?

[wide pawn]

I lied

Reflex is doing nothing in game

Latency in the high 60-70s

Turning off FG gets me back to 25ms

[gloomy ermine]

that json fix does not work for me. still freezing on vulcan

[wide pawn]

But regardless if testing FG on or off, reflex is doing zilch according to PCL

Right, I need to test this

I removed SK to remove any sort of modified variables

Default Reflex isnt capping framerates

[gaunt light]

we figured out the correct setting

[wide pawn]

Vanilla No FG / Vanilla No FG + Reflex / Vanilla MFG 4x with 224 cap / No FG + SK + reshade / FG 2x + SK + reshade / MFG 4x + SK + Reshade

@real wharf

Frameslop isnt beating the allegations now

ofc we're comparing apples to oranges here since I am capping frames, MFG 4x is running at a base of 55 meanwhile no FG and 2 FG are in the 80-100s

let me do an uncapped MFG 4x

[gaunt light]

all with BFF

SDR 2.2 200 nits and HDR midpoint 10 brightness 2 with BFF are 100% match

[wet pasture]

I'm so confused 😂

What do we set the "Paper White" setting to in game?

[crystal prawn]

ui

[wet pasture]

So irrespective of the other settings, paper white accurately dictates UI?

[swift bridge]

Mid point = exposure
Brightness = game paper white
Paper white = ui paper white

[foggy ridge]

How many nits in BFF ? By default 80 ?

[wet pasture]

Thanks, understood now (though if you use the term "game paper white" in the Ultra+ discord they gang up on you)

[gaunt light]

brightness*100

[gaunt light]

forward and pin your notes instead

[wet pasture]

So this looks reasonable for a 1360 nits display, with BFF set to 210?

[swift bridge]

It’ll undershoot peak

Annoying that the peak slider is only increments of 100

[wet pasture]

Yup

[swift bridge]

But ya it’s reasonable

[wet pasture]

Thanks, I might overshoot actually

[swift bridge]

Ya the game is fairly conservative with highlights

[gaunt light]

if you increase the brightness too much it will be deepfried even when you lower the peak brightness to compensate

[real wharf]

Big bummer if they don't fix that because PT will definitely need MFG to hit and playing DOOM at high latency SUCKS. I blows my mind how NVIDIA can promote the hell out of many products wich such bad implementaton to never be fixzed. Like... Don't they have some QA staff that can provide with support or whatever to the developers they've sponsored?

[gaunt light]

but theres really no reason to do that

[wet pasture]

What is the default DLSS preset?

[crude dune]

How are people loading ReShade in the gamepass version of this? I tried doing it through SK but no luck

[gaunt light]

K

it shipped with the lastest dll

[wheat cypress]

i think the game by default is set to use taa but i set it to performance mode in order to hit a consistent 120 fps and it does use the latest version of dlss with the transformer model so it looks perfectly adequate ]

yeah preset k

[gaunt light]

yes fg doesnt seem to work with vulkan well

[wheat cypress]

tbh i have to play ddd with all settings on low and dlss set to performance (3840x1600) in order to hit a consistent 120fps on a 3080 10 gig

[gaunt light]

in indiana jones the input lag with fg is also very high (almost unplayable for me)

[wheat cypress]

out of curiosity tho i bumped the settings to max, and could still hit 60fps easily plus didn't see much of a visual difference. the game looks fantastic either way

[gaunt light]

check DF's video

[wheat cypress]

john linneman's one? or is alex's out yet?

[gaunt light]

settings above high are placeholders for pt

[wheat cypress]

ohhh

[gaunt light]

ya alex's

[wheat cypress]

oh i didn't know it was out i gotta watch it then

[wide pawn]

Well I'm doing the cursed strat of uncapped MFG 4x

[wheat cypress]

tbh i was really worried about performance bc my 3080 is getting a bit old but even on the lowest settings and with the new transformer dlss model the game looks AMAZING and i haven't encountered any stutters or slowdowns whatsoever. super responsive at 120fps, no fg needed

[wide pawn]

I'm not seeing screen tearing and my latency is at 30ms

[gaunt light]

ya game looks great

so many rt haters argue this game looks bad

lol

[real wharf]

Cursed on my thin books, but that's what I'll do for PT I guess. Haha.

[wheat cypress]

looks bad? wtf? in what way? my only complaint about the visuals would be some of the art direction choices -- like, some of the cutscenes with the aliens on spaceships feels a bit too... star wars disney era-like

[gaunt light]

😅

idk

like this

[wheat cypress]

ppl are crazy. ever since dlss switched to the transformer model i've been using performance mode and on my lg c4 it doesn't look as good as DLAA but it's still worth the performance tradeoff by far.

i bet if you gave those ppl two displays side by side and one had dlss upscaling while the other had native taa they wouldn't know which is which

[gaunt light]

definitely

transformer model quality mode looks sharper than native

[wheat cypress]

never been a huge fan of taa to be honest -- softens up the visuals a bit too much but that's just my preference

[wheat cypress]

hmmm i'm confused -- i have a 48 inch lg c4 (so 800 nits peak), and i should be setting that to half in-game settings?

[swift bridge]

basically the hdr brightness slider is a multiplier that applies after tonemapping but they didn't account for the multiplier during tonemapping

so if brightness = 2.0

peak needs to be divided by 2.0

[wheat cypress]

hmm... why can't games have consistent ui settings for hdr? is it really so difficult?

[swift bridge]

dumb oversight

most likely they straight up didn't test hdr

beyond verifying that it outputs hdr

[wheat cypress]

tbh i don't quite understand most hdr settings, but i know i can look up what's recommended for my specific panel and just input whatever values are recommended into rtx hdr or whatever

assuming a game doesn't supper hdr natively, but even sometimes if it does i end up just using rtx hdr because to me it looks better but i don't know enough to say objectively why

i also have to consider if i'm playing at night or during the day because my living room has windows -- oled problems, amirite?

[faint bison]

So what's the tldr; on the HDR in this game? Also, is the game fun in general? As good as eternal?

[wet pasture]

Game is very fun, I'm preferring it to eternal, I always like parry mechanics

I'm struggling with the HDR though. Even with the go-to settings from here, game is duller and less contrasty than I was expecting

The pickups for example seem really dull...not as much pop as I was expecting

Perhaps that's just the look they've gone for here

[steady gate]

It's just the artstyle

[faint bison]

Are the settings straight forward? I have not been following this at all

or are they wack like eternal?

[wet pasture]

Veeeeery different to eternal

[wet pasture]

They're wack, but follow the pins

[steady gate]

Wack in a diffrent way

[faint bison]

ah my boy Musa giving pins here

nice

[open pine]

highlights get nice and bright when they want to with the pinned settings (not using reshade because my display crushes black)

[faint bison]

Not sure I understand this part. Why are we multiplying paperwhite by 100?

[wet pasture]

It might just actually be the desaturated colour look that has surprised me

[wide pawn]

150% speed is hectic and solves all the 'muh this is slow'

[open pine]

ingame paper white setting so 2.03 * 100 = 203

[faint bison]

Oh in game paperwhite settings * 100

so if you're using 1.0, you put 100 for liliums

[swift bridge]

i'll fix that

[faint bison]

right?

[faint bison]

Literally unreadable

jk

thanks for making those recs

[open pine]

i'll bet you can get more fine-grained control over the sliders with console commands or ini editing

Sick I bluescreened again while typing

[faint bison]

ahhh

no good

[open pine]

fuck me for buying a triple-a game on its release date

[dreamy flame]

have you tried without SK

because the game seems super responsive for me

[faint bison]

Does this game play nice with SK?

[dreamy flame]

certainly does not feel like broken reflex

[open pine]

kal is actively working on it

[dreamy flame]

idk i have no reason to use SK here

[open pine]

but reflex is definitely broken

[dreamy flame]

reshade works fine as dxgi

[dreamy flame]

my question is, is it broken in general or with SK

[open pine]

in general

it never limits like it should

[faint bison]

in-game reflex?

[open pine]

yes

[dreamy flame]

idk then, other games feel like they have far more input lag than doom

[faint bison]

the game is vulkan?

[open pine]

yes

[quick mountain]

What is your recommended settings?

[open pine]

i just need to force myself to not play the game for a little while ugh

[wide pawn]

Reflex isn't limiting because in game vsync options do nothing

[dreamy flame]

musa's pinned ones

[wide pawn]

It's wild

[dreamy flame]

i just force vsync in the control panel

otherwise gsync does not feel as smooth as it should in games

[dreamy flame]

i was gaslit into turning it off and spent some time with games feeling like ass

[pale isle]

With FG or without?

[dreamy flame]

with fg

[pale isle]

Without FG feels good, with FG feels good. MFG 3x feels horrible.

[dreamy flame]

if i force vsync in the control panel then it could explain why the game feels fine

[wet pasture]

Lol this is so true!

[pale isle]

But that's on a 144Hz screen at my end.

[quick mountain]

for me not.

[dreamy flame]

i havent tried mfg as the game runs fine enough

[pale isle]

I used to do just that, until Kal convinced me to not do it on NVCP level and do it in-game.

[pale isle]

Yeah, I was just curious. The DLAA + FG brings me to 115-135-ish mark.

[dreamy flame]

yeah that's what i meant. went back to nvcp level lately and suddenly games are smooth again

[pale isle]

Game does feel MUCH better when you have a consistent framerate.

[pale isle]

I should've trusted myself, and years of usage.

[dreamy flame]

i mean that's just my anecdotal evidence

i probably don't know shit

[wet pasture]

FG off with a locked 90fps via SK feels as smooth as a game has ever felt tbh

[pale isle]

Same, same. But ... if I can feel something becoming choppy, it's choppy.

EOD if NVCP fixes it, I'll take it. If it's placebo, well it's working great then.

But yeah, Doom feels great to me, with and without FG.

MFG is when it becomes wonky for me, I should try NVCP V-Sync again for that.

[dreamy flame]

anyway yall with latency issues try out forced vsync in nvcp and no stuff like SK
(and gsync on ofc)

wonder if it helps

[pale isle]

The game with locked frames without dips feels superior than any other combo I have tried. But that shouldn't be a surprise 🙂

[real wharf]

SAME!

[pale isle]

LMAO, I missed this msg.

#UsMoment

[wet pasture]

LOL YOU MORONS FORCE ON VSYNC

[proven knot]

do you have to force vsync in NVCP

or can you force it with SK

and its same thing ?

[dreamy flame]

no idea, i know nvcp seems to work fine for me

my experience with SK and new game releases isn't great so i never use it unless its really necessary

[wet pasture]

Joking aside, when you don't force I. Vsync you get that wonderful thing of your gpu cooking at 700fps in game menus that fail to implement Vsync and FG properly

[dreamy flame]

so i've just been playing the game normally with reshade installed as dxgi for the gamma mismatch fix, and vsync forced on in the control panel, and nothing feels broken

[wet pasture]

Which frame rate limiter do you use? Or do you go loosey goosey?

[pale isle]

Since we have a lot of SK lovers in-here, this is how I have always used SK + NVCP and never had any issue.

1. set your max in NVCP to be just a tiny bit more than what SK will set in limiter. In my case, SK will set it to 136.XX, so I do 137 here so it doesn't fuck with SK. But in any other game, without SK, I never have any issue.

2. I forced V-SYnc on in NVCP, never had any issue. So, if you run into any issues, maybe try that, too.

[dreamy flame]

vsync+gsync+ultra low latency limits your framerate

always did

i pretty much never do anything else

[wet pasture]

Yeah but I'm rarely hitting that limit

[dreamy flame]

yeah but because of gsync fluctuating framerates feel fine

[wet pasture]

And I usually prefer to not bounce around

Maybe I've been gaslit on that too

[dreamy flame]

i mean unless the game is a stuttery mess but that aint the case with doom

[pale isle]

What does Ultra Low Latency specifically do? ELI5 example if you have one, other than what NVCP tells me.

[real wharf]

I forced V-Sync through the NVApp and it's working on capping the game at monitor's Hz cap (120 FPS), but not making Reflex trigger (116 FPS). Latency with FG is 55ish ms and I think it should be lower as in other games. FG X3 goes to 80ish ms. If reflex behaves properly it should be lower as in Cyberpunk or SW Outlaws.

[dreamy flame]

i can't tell at all when i'm fluctuating from say 220fps to 170 with gsync

it still feels smooth

[pale isle]

G-Sync is Godsend.

[open pine]

ullm does nothing when reflex is available

[pale isle]

Only thing that allowed me to game 4K back in 2014-2015-ish.

[dreamy flame]

vrr is best tech right after hdr

[open pine]

i dont think anyone really knows for sure what it does differently

[pale isle]

Right, but when reflex is broken, then ULLM comes into play?

[old wind]

is reshade as dxgi supposed to work on the gamepass version? It wont load for me

[open pine]

yes although let me double check what kal said this morning

[wet pasture]

Yes

[pale isle]

Yeah, many are using it that way.

I am using SK central install, so idk how to load local. But seems like just throw dxgi.dll next to gamehelper exe?

gamelauncher*

[dreamy flame]

honestly i've got no idea what it's really supposed to do. but the combo of gsync+vsync+ultra low latency limits your framerate a bit under the vrr limit, so it's doing exactly you want

[open pine]

functionally it's pretty much identical to reflex low latency mode

i dunno if it's actually using those markers though

[wet pasture]

These days at 4K with new games I ain't ever hitting 144fps on a 4090

[pale isle]

Just my hypothesis, but if I had to guess .. if reflex is enabled/working correctly, you're getting good experience anyway cause of that.

In games it isn't, your ULLM setting come into play, and you get good experience as well cause of that.

So, it's a win/win scenario, when we enable it in NVCP.

Again, at least based on how I've used/felt games being smooth AF for years now.

With and without SK.

I only recently started forcing V-Sync on in-game setting, cause again .. was gaslit into it, it might've been that those prefer that had it broken on NVCP for whatever reasons.

Half the people are on wildly different drivers as well whenever we're discussing these things, so who knows how NVCP settings is behaving for them, as compared to others, and so on.

[wet pasture]

The argument that people give is that Vsync breaks certain non-gaming apps

But I don't think I've ever seen that

[pale isle]

Literally never had that issue. Ever.

[dreamy flame]

only one i know of was unreal editor

[open pine]

also no, forcing vsync on in nvcp doesnt unbreak reflex here, the game is still capping at my refresh rate ingame or keeping vsync off (?!) in menus

[dreamy flame]

and i've experienced that myself

[open pine]

just vulkan weirdness

[pale isle]

That's the argument I was given as well, that's why I disabled it from NVCP to see if I run into any app and experience something different.

[dreamy flame]

but, uh, you can just disable it for that app instead

and i dont think it's happening anymore anyway?

[wide pawn]

WTF

is Ersh right

halved my latency

[dreamy flame]

[wide pawn]

I dont believe those additional 14 FPS

Are literally reducing my latency by half

well its not even native 14FPS

because MFG 4x

[wet pasture]

What is that OSD?

[faint bison]

Last stupid question. Is this game PT?

or are they adding it later?

[wide pawn]

later

[pale isle]

Do you also set your max frame rate in NVCP?

[open pine]

you can and that does work

[dreamy flame]

why does the game cap correctly for me then

it behaves like everything else

i'm capped at 225fps

[open pine]

turning ullm on gives me the reflex-like cap

so 157 @ 165hz for me

[dreamy flame]

well yeah i am using ultra low latency

[real wharf]

As Umer perfectly pointed out "Without FG feels good, with FG feels good. MFG 3x feels horrible." With FG feels good, although since I discovered how much I was hurting myself with not using V-Sync I started to be more obsessibe with input lag. If it was working as intended I'd be getting around les 10 ms which is not a big difference. Now if you try MFG just in case PT is really heavy... They better fix it because latency jumps to almost double and if properly workin it shouldn't.

[open pine]

i was testing with it off since you wont be able to tell if reflex is working while its on lol

[crude dune]

ULLM working just proves that Reflex doesn't

[wide pawn]

Nvidia Overlay

[faint bison]

So can we use SK reflex instead? Or is it not ready yet?

[dreamy flame]

hm gotcha. though i dont see whats the real issue then

[open pine]

maybe? my game is unstable enough at the moment so i havent tried using sk

[wide pawn]

SK hasnt fixed reflex or whatever other shenanigans are going on in this game atm

Kal is reworking SK for vulkan

[dreamy flame]

okay yeah mfg feels noticeably laggier

[wide pawn]

so that we could do reflex via DXVK

[pale isle]

FWIW, I launched the game with SK first boot, and haven't had any issues.

I'm going back to NVCP V-Sync, though.

And will try ULLM now as well.

[wet pasture]

Same

Gasunlit

[wide pawn]

And you lot wonder why HDR is broken in games

[pale isle]

lmao

[wide pawn]

This is the type of convos devs have

[real wharf]

Wait what did I miss? (I'm tired for today haha)

[pale isle]

It's broken in games cause it's a low priority for most I'd argue.

[dreamy flame]

most devs don't even know fullscreen exclusive should be eradicated

[pale isle]

Outside of AW2 and stuff, I can't think of any game that actually ever talks about HDR

Other than just enabling it, so console games can show as HDR compliant.

[wide pawn]

Kal is saying you cant trust PCL because the game is getting nonsense info passed down from reflex but overhere I went from 70ms to 35

[pale isle]

It's more for a badge being shown next to title than anything else.

[dreamy flame]

i do kinda trust what i feel though

[pale isle]

I do hope that changes at some point, but at least on PC side, we have a bunch of tools and some sharp minded enthusiasts to help us along the way.

[dreamy flame]

even then it's just pumbo

[pale isle]

Exactly, lol.

[real wharf]

But how? What Ersh settings? Haha. (So sleepy)

[wide pawn]

I just removed SK

[pale isle]

Every other game it's just 'HDR enabled' (if at all) mention in trailer video, and that's it.

[wide pawn]

and forced vysnc in driver

[dreamy flame]

and he certainly doesnt have enough power over there to push for everything that should be done with hdr

[wet pasture]

Think I'm gonna crank up colour saturation in the game, which I never thought I'd say

[wide pawn]

oh and no 222 cap

the game auto capped to 238

[real wharf]

ULLM as well?

[wide pawn]

no

[dreamy flame]

tldr; no sk and the good old combo of forced nvcp vsync + gsync + ullm

[gaunt light]

just keep playing

[real wharf]

Works better than through the NVidia app?

[dreamy flame]

i just use the app nowadays

[gaunt light]

some levels are extremely contrasty

[wide pawn]

so unless those 4 additional 'native' frames are the reason my latency is being cut in half I dunno whats happeneing

[dreamy flame]

its the same thing in this case

[pale isle]

Orgs like DF, or even LTT (be useful for once) should lobby for correct HDR stuff in games.

But then I shudder to think if we'll just get Plasma-esque settings enabled in-game or what.

[dreamy flame]

nvcp is unbearably slow

[wet pasture]

Ooh now I'm intrigued. Ok I'll do that

[real wharf]

This one right? Never used ULLM.

[pale isle]

Yeah, can't wait for NVCP to be entirely moved to the NV App.

[dreamy flame]

DF certainly should it fits their "mission" very well

[pale isle]

But even they use such cursed settings sometimes that it makes you wonder ... but at least they're open minded and like to learn.

[dreamy flame]

issue is they simply don't know anything about hdr

they need to learn

[pale isle]

Yeah

They started with console stuff only

[gaunt light]

and some levels look quite similar to doom eternal

[pale isle]

Last couple years they gotten more into PC side (welcome change).

HDR should be the next frontier for them to tackle.

They've already hyped up and talked the goodness of VRR as is.

[dreamy flame]

i am so glad basically everyone has vrr nowadays

[wet pasture]

Ok that's good to know. Nothing is "broken" then, just the style they were going for on the early levels. That's cool

[gaunt light]

ya

[wet pasture]

Well, HDR is broken 😂

[gaunt light]

musa's setting matches sdr 100%

[dreamy flame]

honestly i dont consider gamma mismatch broken because its so easy to fix

[pale isle]

But most still don't enable it properly, so it's often broken

[gaunt light]

its just bad sliders + gamma mismatch

[dreamy flame]

broken implies to me that it needs a renodx mod to fix the shaders

[pale isle]

I'll take those 'AI assistants' from NVIDIA pestering you in-game telling you to enable Xyz settings, though.

"Go and enable G-Sync."

[wet pasture]

Do consoles suffer from it too? Or is this a pc concern?

[pale isle]

"Go and force V-Sync"

[dreamy flame]

oh you're right i'm forgetting consoles. we could say it's broken there as you can't fix it

[pale isle]

Need ReShade on webOS.

[dreamy flame]

i mean arguably it's just a bit washed out, nothing completely messed up like limited highlights to 200 or something like that, but the presentation tends to suffer greatly

[pale isle]

It feels like a haze filter on without BFF to me, yeah. But it's not deeply broken where it ruins HDR experience for you, like some of the other games can.

[wet pasture]

Max nits not being your max nits is fun

[pale isle]

I never played Mirage at launch (idk how it is now) but I remember that game having some peak broken HDR.

[gaunt light]

hdr brightness is just paper white but they don't divide peak by paper white

[gaunt light]

all assassin creed games have broken hdr

[wet pasture]

Yeah, I just feel sorry for your average joe who's bought his decent HDR screen, checked the peak nits on rtings, and has no clue that half his games are borked

Although maybe he's the lucky one...

[gaunt light]

by broken i mean they all need renodx to fix

[swift bridge]

Its still broken. They have gamma mismatch and the brightness slider applies before tonemapping instead of after so it fucks with the image behind just a simple brightness adjustment. Mod fixes it:

https://www.nexusmods.com/assassinscreedmirage/mods/160

[pale isle]

Yes, but to varying degree. AC Shadows, while the Reno mod helps, the default has a more 'blue tint' to it, so even if RenoDX didn't exist, I'd have played without throwing a huge fit.

Mirage on the other hand was a shitshow from what I had seen.

[pale isle]

They did an update for HDR at some point, though? Or am I trippin'?

[gaunt light]

ac shadows is also really bad imo

[wet pasture]

I actually liked the stock ac Shadows hdr

[pale isle]

Or it was broken even after the update.

[swift bridge]

Must have been broken after update I guess

[gaunt light]

im blinded by the default hdr

[swift bridge]

Ac shadows is one of the most fucked looking hdr implementations of all time imo

[wet pasture]

You should see my taste in women

[real wharf]

I'm getting the same numbers from NV Overlay, but I'd say now with ULLM it feels as snappy as with no FG.

[pale isle]

AC Shadows stock HDR is serviceable, it has a 'blue tint' so the blacks are slightly slightly raised. But overall, it never bothered me too much.

I started using Musa's mod for back and forth, and once I adjusted paperwhite from in-game setting after RenoDX mod, I preferred the mod more.

[real wharf]

High Dynamic Women.

[pale isle]

rip, launch was apparently even worse, so.

[gaunt light]

its blinding

[pale isle]

And with MFG?

[gaunt light]

and crushed

the same time

very bad hdr imo

crushed with black level raise

[pale isle]

Never felt it as blinding, tbh. But crushed, yes.

[wet pasture]

Same

And that's in a dark room at 1360nits

I think my eyeballs are just burnt out

[pale isle]

Yeah, black walls here, too.

[gaunt light]

ac shadows has a look of 500 nits paper white to me

[pale isle]

Wild

[wide pawn]

Pre HDR den / RenoDX truly was the dark ages

Thank you for every homie here

Truly

[wet pasture]

My least favourite thing about shadows, and all of the AC games, is how compressed the audio sounds on good headphones

[wet pasture]

So true

[dreamy flame]

its pretty bad but valhalla was a crime

[real wharf]

Let my try again because I'm not sure NVCP is working like instantly.

[gaunt light]

its definitely blinding to me

mega bright

[wet pasture]

Yeah I'm thinking mostly of Valhalla. The main character, it's horrific

[gaunt light]

like 500 nits paper white

[pale isle]

Omg

Yeah

No, it was never like that

lmao

Not at my end.

[gaunt light]

it is

[pale isle]

That pic there alone is blinding.

[gaunt light]

the start of the game

is like that

unless they changed it

[pale isle]

I didn't use Reno until much later, at no point was it like that at my end.

Well, I played it the moment it unlocked, so.

But if it looked like that, yeah.

That's aids.

[gaunt light]

i remember i talked about that when the game just came out

its not blinding all the time

[dreamy flame]

the whole mix was a mess

[wet pasture]

The first gameplay sequence in shadows, with all the fire, is like waaay more demanding than 99% of the game. Well I didn't realise that and spent about 2 hours tweaking stuff to get good performance, only to find out two minutes later my FPS shot up 30fps for the rest of the game. Awesome

[dreamy flame]

they wasted the great soundtrack too

[gaunt light]

but it can definitely be blinding in the daytime

[wet pasture]

I bought hd800s and now basically all audio is broken

[swift bridge]

The issues with per channel tonemapping get amplified by a million with ac shadows

[dreamy flame]

haha ignorance is bliss

[swift bridge]

They triple the exposure of SDR in HDR when exposure is set to 0.0

And then they jack up contrast

This is all working per channel so hues get all fucked

And saturation is increased by a lot

But also highlights are giga blown out

[dreamy flame]

to cover up gamma mismatch?

[swift bridge]

Cause 3x exposure

[swift bridge]

Ya probably

[dreamy flame]

this single goddamn thing is causing so many issues

[gaunt light]

thats why its blinding

[dreamy flame]

and i imagine so many devs are confused why hdr looks wrong because they try to cover it up like that

[gaunt light]

and doom the dark ages is the same

[real wharf]

@pale isle Maybe I'm to tired but I'd say that MFG is feeling better with Ersh settings (V-Sync+ULLM).

What kind of witchcraft is this?

[gaunt light]

they lower the midgray to 9 to cover gamma mismatch

[pale isle]

Withcraft of correct settings, I'd argue. I've always used it like that (without ULLM).

[swift bridge]

Well doom eternal is much more salvageable cause you can just move exposure and apply bff and you’re good

[pale isle]

And never had any issue.

[gaunt light]

typo

[swift bridge]

Also no ui brightness in ac

[pale isle]

I didn't like MFG in Doom either, so I'll try a bit later and report.

[gaunt light]

i mean doom TDA not eternal

[steady gate]

Why do you need BFF for eternal?

[dreamy flame]

i can confirm mfg does feel worse than 2x though

[gaunt light]

BFF in doom eternal is mega crushed

unless you jack up the brightness or whatever

[pale isle]

When you aim around and move it like an ADHD kid (the DOOM way), it feels like it's lagging behind, right?

Almost like a jello effect, but not so much. Just feels that way a lil bit.

[gaunt light]

do you guys feel fg in indiana jones is super laggy

[pale isle]

That's how it felt to me, was super noticeable right away.

No, FG in Indy worked fine for me.

[wet pasture]

Yes

[pale isle]

The laggy feel as in lagging behind?

It was related to the 'cinematic' movement something setting

If you disable that, it feels snappy.

[wet pasture]

Ah that'll be it

[swift bridge]

Mixed up eternal and dark ages

[real wharf]

You should try with V-Sync and ULLM off. Unbearable. Or maybe I'm tired haha.

[pale isle]

It was 'intentional', it was there with and without FG. FG maybe made it worse.

[wise cradle]

I wouldn't say it's just a bit washed out. This game has so many dark scenes, I bound Lilium's black floor fix to a keyboard button and sometimes live toggle it just to see the difference. Without BFF, these dark scenes look so rough..

[pale isle]

Controller should be fine, but KB/M? I needed that shit disabled.

[wise cradle]

I know the gamma mismatch has been talked over in this Discord hundreds of times already, but you can really see a huge difference specifically in this game

[wet pasture]

You should definitely go to bed 😂

[steady gate]

I can feel the frame gen on the controller too

[gaunt light]

ya i play indi with kb/m

[swift bridge]

Eternal has gamma mismatch but with the entirely different tonemapper there’s no fix unless you mod it

[gaunt light]

its very unresponsive

[dreamy flame]

it feels like twice the latency

[steady gate]

I could not get it to look like sRGB or even G2.2

[dreamy flame]

and coincidentally the nvidia overlay does say it's twice as much

[steady gate]

but G2.4 matches pretty well

[swift bridge]

The ui matched srgb in eternal

[pale isle]

Yeah, unplayable level for me. I'll try with ULLM/V-Sync in NVCP and see what's up later.

[steady gate]

so did in the callisto protocol

[gaunt light]

afaik nvidia overlay is the most accurate input lag reading software

[steady gate]

doesn't mean anything
you're the one who taught me that

[pale isle]

Is that with the cinematic movement disabled?

Or whatever it's called in settings.

[gaunt light]

unrelated

i compared fg on/off

[pale isle]

FG might be exacerbating that effect.

[gaunt light]

fg on has significantly higher input lag

[pale isle]

So, maybe try that with off, too.

[gaunt light]

no i just rotate the camera

and its very laggy

nothing related to move

[pale isle]

Yes, the movement setting I'm talking about is related to that.

It feels super slow

And sluggish

[gaunt light]

really

[pale isle]

Disabling it fixes that.

Yes

[gaunt light]

what is that called

[pale isle]

I can't find the name of the setting, but I can launch later to check for you.

Remmeber the name*

[real wharf]

Someone please try MFG with V-Sync and ULLM off, then on, plase. I'm losing my sanity, going to rest now^^ haha

[wide pawn]

I did

[swift bridge]

Ya but Callisto devs demonstrated that they have an understanding of gamma

[wide pawn]

In the most recent pic I sent

All ULLM is doing is capping to 225 instead of 238 without

[gaunt light]

callisto protocol lets you set the input gamma in sdr

[real wharf]

Thing is NVidia overlay tells me the same numbers, but I'd say it feels better. But you were getting lower numbers.

[gaunt light]

so devs definitely know the difference between srgb and 2.2

[dreamy flame]

wait what cinematic movement

[pale isle]

@gaunt light 'Camera Stabilization', might be that. Try disabling that.

It's in accessibility, I believe.

Also, just for the heck of it, try increasing FOV to 100, too.

And then see how it feels with FG on/off.

Cause OOTB, it felt like I was the one myself there lugging the whole RED kit around.

[gaunt light]

maxed out fov in every game

[pale isle]

Based

Then try that, yeah. Camera Stabilization off, it should get much better. That's how it was at launch.

It was horrible OOTB, felt reaaaaaaaally heavy/sluggish to move camera around.

I guess they did it for that 'cinematic' experience, but fuck me.

Don't want that shit in an FPS 🙂

[dreamy flame]

what game are yall talking about

[pale isle]

Indy

[dreamy flame]

oh

[pale isle]

Great game, though. Especially if you like the movies.

[dreamy flame]

yeah it did feel like it had a lot of input lag

[pale isle]

You finished it already?

[dreamy flame]

yeah

[pale isle]

RIP, Camera Stabilization was the culprit.

Beautiful game, though

[dreamy flame]

fortunately it wasnt really a shooter so it didnt bother me that much

[pale isle]

Darktalon told me about it when I complained, he played it controller so he didn't mind it.

Me on KB/M? It bothered me way too much.

I need to try MFG there now that I have 5090.

[dreamy flame]

mfg was great yea

[pale isle]

Sweet

[real wharf]

By the way... Am I CPU bound or something?

4K DLSS Q no FG on a 5090, 9800X3D...

In the first scene. GPU and CPU almost not pulling wattage...

[pale isle]

Weird

9950X3D here, which is same as 9800X3D for gaming.

And I get locked 138-ish fps with DLSS Quality

Everything maxed out.

I didn't check my wattages, will peek at HWInfo when I play next and report.

[dreamy flame]

i upgraded to 9950x3d too a few days ago hah

its so nice

[pale isle]

So nice not having to fuck around with it to get good gaming perf, too.

[dreamy flame]

from 5800x3d

[pale isle]

OOTB it's just like 9800X3D

I went from 14900k to 9800X3D to 9950X3D

Gaming perf is same same.

[dreamy flame]

did you check "remember this is a game" in gamebar though?

[pale isle]

Only thing that rekt me was my RAM OC with upgrade, cause new BIOS. But yeah.

[dreamy flame]

it really does affect the core usage

doom was using all cores before i did that

[pale isle]

I have a new gamebar menu, and I can't find that setting in there anymore.

But all Game Pass games has that enabled auto.

[pale isle]

Oh wow, I honestly didn't monitor it.

Only games I really did compare was like what I was playing with 9800X3D already.

AC Shadows, Wilds, etc.

Moved to new chip, had to tweak my RAM OC a lil bit, but overall ended up with same perf level.

[dreamy flame]

i think i have the new menu too? but its in settings->general

[pale isle]

That's with FN running rn.

Your lookin' like that, too?

[dreamy flame]

mines older judging from the version

[pale isle]

Yeah, that's the older one.

I got this like couple weeks ago or so

Now I don't have any option to do that selection.

[dreamy flame]

sound pretty bad

[pale isle]

Yeah, but if it's auto enabling now on every game (idk if it is), then great.

Game Pass always did auto enable in past for me, though

I'll launch some new Steam title and see if it auto enables it or nah.

[dreamy flame]

in doom you can check core usage with the ingame performance thingy

[pale isle]

Also, ReBAR was disabled for DOOM for me by default, idk why. SK has an option to force enable, though.

[dreamy flame]

i just checked what it does and then noticed all the cores being used

accidentally

[pale isle]

Yeah, the in-game perf. metrics are super detailed.

Very nice stuff.

But I'm a bit autistic with data, so I run HWINFO all the time like a brainlet.

So, I can just peek at that data there.

[torpid steeple]

read somewhere that if you're using external overlays like rtss you need to disable the present from compute setting

[pale isle]

Yeah, I'm not using external overlays FWIW.

Not even NV App.

[real wharf]

Will do a DDU tomorrow. I remember this kind of stupid behavior with some games refusing to trigger Reflex no matter what and performance being somehow crippled. Did a fresh install and it was working great until today that I updated. Might happen with games that are newly installed because I remember already installed ones working well and the new ones showing issues. DDU fixed them all.

[pale isle]

inb4 DDU leads to more driver instability.

@dreamy flame what GPU are you using with that CPU?

[dreamy flame]

5090

[pale isle]

Based

Twinning.

What's your RAM

[dreamy flame]

6000mhz cl30 😄

[pale isle]

SR or DR?

[dreamy flame]

uh not sure what that means actually

[pale isle]

Single Rank/Dual Rank

Is it 48GB or more?

[dreamy flame]

2x32

[pale isle]

Like 2x24GB?

Ah, so DR.

Nice

That's the equivalent of about 6200-6400 SR in perf generally.

Our rig is identical.

96GB here, but DR so.

[dreamy flame]

neat

[dusky prism]

think Dark Ages might even be better than Eternal, game is amazing ⚡

was worried about the 'slower' pace, emphasis on melee etc. misplaced fears

half way through the game now and loving every minute

[faint bison]

Glad to hear. I'll have to pick this game up soon.

How is the soundtrack?

[swift bridge]

reddit music

[open pine]

very forgettable so far

[faint bison]

damn really?

[dusky prism]

it gets off to a slow start and drip feeds you new items etc. but once the ball gets rolling it's really fun

once you reach the larger outdoor maps, it's getting into its stride

[vocal rivet]

After installing reshade 6.4.1 for Vulkan and getting past the startup videos, the game freezes for me. Any ideas why?

[swift bridge]

frame gen wasn't working with reshade for me

I ended up running the game with SK and loading reshade through it

[vocal rivet]

Right, I have that enabled already

[swift bridge]

and it worked fine

[vocal rivet]

I'll try that, though I've never loaded reshade through special k

[tranquil mirage]

I just went through the whole process and found it pretty straight forward - lmk if you have any questions

[vocal rivet]

@tranquil mirage I got it working. Thanks

[tranquil mirage]

Is "preferred paper white" really just strictly a preference thing, or is there a right/standard number based on a display's peak brightness?

Anyone know?

[dusky prism]

https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/opb/rep/R-REP-BT.2408-5-2022-PDF-E.pdf

Page 5 section 2.1, enjoy. 🙂

[tranquil mirage]

Ah, fantastic - thank you

Nice, Table 4 is what I needed

Okay, different question: any reason why, while running Reshade through SK, my display would blink black every time I click my mouse on a UI element, but not when I shoot or navigate the UI with my keyboard?

[dusky prism]

are you using borderless windowed mode or any of the 'Window Management' options in SK like Prevent Always on Top?

[tranquil mirage]

Borderless window in game, yes, but no other Window Management options

I am running on an AW3225QF and a 4090, so DSC is enabled, which means no MPOs

[dusky prism]

aha

[tranquil mirage]

But it wasn't happening before setting up Reshade and SK

[dusky prism]

try to mess with the window layering options and cursor clamp settings

do you have more than one monitor plugged in too?

I'd see if going fullscreen and back to borderless changes any of the behaviours

DSC is a bitch ><

[tranquil mirage]

I do have an LG CX plugged in, but it's off

Toggling fullscreen and borderless doesn't seem to make a difference

Weirdly, running the game without SK enabled shows the same behavior, which seems omega strange

I'll try the layering options and clamp settings

Okay, so I changed nothing (obviously can't be true - I just don't know what changed) and the problem is gone

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Thanks dude

[dusky prism]

let's go

nice

[pale isle]

@dreamy flame @real wharf finally got in the game.

V-Sync + ULLM + 137 cap in NVCP = native and FG now practically feels exactly same, despite variability in frames (not being a solid line, cause DLAA)

MFG (3x) feels LOTS better now than it did before V-Sync being forced in NVCP, and ULLM enabled but idk if that's playing a huge factor.

MFG was pretty much unplayable for me in DOOM before, now it seems playable. But .... I can tell the added latency in 3x as compared to 2x, something I can't tell with native/2x now that I could before. So, I'm going to keep DLAA and stick with 2x and let G-Sync give me a smooth AF experience.

Literally gasunlit moment, V-Sync goes back on in NVCP. Experiment is done.

Now we resume.

Will play a whole mission and see how it feels, but difference is clear already.

[real wharf]

I was told to disable it and now that I enabled it back the game is behaving properly, almost max GPU usage and reaching cap FPS all the time.

[pale isle]

Replayed the first mission, and can confirm it felt much better throughout it. Noticeably.

[real wharf]

Let me finish my coffee so I can "MFG (3x) feels LOTS better now than it did before V-Sync being forced in NVCP, and ULLM enabled but idk if that's playing a huge factor." Haha.

You mean it feels better with it on, right?

[dusky prism]

🫠

[pale isle]

Yes, much better than it felt before with all that enabled 🙂

But I'm sticking with 2x cause now it feels even more responsive, pretty much native. And no random jagginess at DLAA like before, since it couldn't maintain a locked 138fps.

Now frames are variable but gives same feel as locked frames did for DLSS Q before, or DLAA but 100fps locked and such.

Just finished the next mission, sadly .. that's all DOOM for me today. I eat and sleep now.

[ashen bloom]

When I played Eternal I took breaks between missions 💀

[pale isle]

I'm going to watch a movie with GF, that's the only reason I'm hopping off. Otherwise I'd continue playing. 🥹

[flat roost]

For those that are playing on PC via Xbox Gamepass, how did you manage to install ReShade?

[wet pasture]

Do you guys try and 100% each level before moving on? Or do you blitz through the level and scoop up collectibles on subsequent runs?

[real wharf]

Doing a Vulkan install did not work. Doing it for DX 11/12 did work. 🤷‍♀️

[wide pawn]

they don't know

[wet pasture]

Gotta love the internet....

You noobs, can't tune your own monitors

Ok sorry, no more. I'll go insane.

[wet pasture]

Hope you directed them here!

[real wharf]

Makes me wonder. Is really HDR that hard to get into and experience the benefits that people start making up their own cope literature?

[wet pasture]

It's just shit monitors with shit HDR isn't it. People turn it on, say "this is shit" and then write off the entire technology, rather than consider better hardware. I get it

[swift bridge]

shit hdr implementations

every game is broken

[wet pasture]

"it just makes it bright" keeps making me laugh

Maybe they've only tried Ori

Damn retinas in my eyeballs making everything bright

[wide pawn]

Right, but what is the thought process behind people.

I wasn't born knowing what HDR is or how it looks, I did read a bit about it and what stuck out to me was 'unclamps brightness typical limited due to SDR to allow greater detail' can't remember where I saw that but that was what hooked me. If brightness is no longer clamped to whatever SDR peak is (I didn't know if was 203nits at the time) when I look at a metallic object that has light bouncing on it, there should be greater detail instead of just a white blob like what I was used to seeing in SDR

I saw there was a HDR server and joined

Maybe it's my thought process coming from modding and already dealing in depth with games, understanding all the BS that goes on and how to navigate it

I already know that most knowledge is congregated in a few small groups of people typically in servers like this

There was no way I was going to wing it via Reddit or going off YouTube vids to understand what HDR is or isn't and how to set it up

I would need to be live in a server to pick people's brains who understand more than me

Yet too many people employ a 'this must work immediately and any sort of resistance I encounter means it's bad' mentality

[wet pasture]

It's possibly just a question of intelligence

And maturity

The shit HDR implementations are tiring though. As much as I love mingling with you nerds, I wish the games just worked

[real wharf]

We've been discussing a lot lately how badly HDR is perceived so maybe... Could the Luma team as very well documented and respected developer kind of reach out to some key influencer like DF and propose to explain them how really HDR works, the biggest issues in its implementation, how much the industry would benefit for it to be more standardized... I don't know. Haha.

[dreamy flame]

pumbo tries afaik

[real wharf]

Not to underestimate all the work you already do here, not as developers too, but as being so kind, patient and educating day after day.

[wet pasture]

Absolutely, my favourite discord by some distance

[gaunt garnet]

bit offtopic but is anyone experiencing issues with Frame Generation (2x Nvidia)? It kind of feels "stuttery" at times (4k DLSS quality, VRR, 4070ti Super)?

[wet pasture]

I've just tried it actually and it was super smooth. That was with Vsync and ultra low latency mode forced on in drivers - nothing else, no other limit etc

I was hitting my 140fps cap (144hz display) - felt great

What is your base frame rate without FG?

[gaunt garnet]

hm interesting... fps w/o FG around 80 @high preset, cant check right now but something like that

[wet pasture]

You should be fine then, right?

[gaunt garnet]

also even with FG fps never go all the way to 116 (capped @nvcpl)

always stuck at around 100 which seems weird

[wet pasture]

Hmm

Try turning off that cap

[gaunt garnet]

yeah i just played w/o FG but i was curious what's wrong

[wet pasture]

I always try to avoid capping externally with FG

[wet pasture]

Yeah sorry I meant FG should feel great for you, so something is definitely up

[gaunt garnet]

wasn't there something about capping at 116 for gsynch to work properly on LG 120hz display... cant even remember why i set that limit 😄

[wet pasture]

Reflex and vsync typically takes care of that

If it fails to do so (botched reflex implementation) then ultra low latency mode should kick in as a failsafe (I believe)

So maybe try it, just to rule it out

[gaunt garnet]

okay i will try and report . thanks!

[dreamy flame]

do you have the newest drivers? i had this bug a few versions before where it'd cap at a weird random value

[gaunt garnet]

oh! turns out i don't! ty!

[dreamy flame]

hopefully it fixes it for you

was like 2 versions back iirc

[gaunt garnet]

572.83 -> 576.40 😄

[dreamy flame]

oh wow

you were on the pretty scuffed ones then

[wet pasture]

You didn't enjoy the massive warning that popped up when you loaded Doom? 😄

[gaunt garnet]

it was rather the frequent desktop notification that fed my procrastination-tendencies

so i turned them off altogether 😄

[wet pasture]

Unrelated, but I can;'t get the nvidia overlay to appear on Doom. Anybody got any ideas on that? It's obviously enabled in the Nvidia app

Follow up question, the Reshade "Press 'Home' to open overlay..." pop-up in the top left appears way more often in Doom than any other game - i.e. every time I transition between menu/game, or when I die etc. Can I disable that?

[gaunt garnet]

same for me (the reshade popup)

[real wharf]

Yes. Same for me. It's like the game have some instances inside that makes ReShade load again. Guess it's the infamous VK windows management.

[wide pawn]

Yesterday we had a discussion about latency, I was running a capped 222FPS using 4x MFG at 70% utilisation with around 70ms PCL (avg)

Switching from DLSS Q to DLAA to peg my GPU utilisation decreased latency to 45-50ms but it was fluctuating weirdly back into the 70ms and down again to the 50s which was bizarre.

I then tried removing SK entirely and using Inspector to force enable Vsync which capped me at 238FPS and resulted in my latency being cut in half down to 30-35ms now

ULLM set to on, caps framerate to 225 and slightly increase PCL (avg) to 40ms

[oblique goblet]

how do you measure latency?

[wide pawn]

Nvidia overlay

[oblique goblet]

oh the rendering latency

[wide pawn]

There is a stat called PCL (avg)

[oblique goblet]

I'm planning to buy a HFR camera which can record at 1000fps

[wide pawn]

The best possible way is using RLA

Reflex latency analyser

[oblique goblet]

so i would have a precision of 1ms

real latency should be from mouse click to screen

[pale isle]

[oblique goblet]

it appears nvidia measures the game renderinghttps://developer.nvidia.com/blog/understanding-and-measuring-pc-latency/

so the latency of cpu + gpu

I'm using AMD overlay but i don' have that measurement

I think presentmon from intel can do pcl too

[wet pasture]

I have such a weird bug with the nvidia overlay. If I set it to open via the default shortcut (Alt + R), it doesn't open. But if I change it to any other shortcut, it works.

Same for the Alt+Z panel that opens on the left.

Wtf is that nvidia

[proven knot]

when i run doom thrrough specialk

it just starts eating my ram

doom takes 30+gb of ram

wtf?

[proven knot]

ye i guess specialk is useless in vulkan games

just does more harm than good

hits like 15/20fps off ur framerate too

when cpu bound

[wet pasture]

Hard to be CPU bound in doom I reckon!

[median fractal]

i just want path tracing man

i wanna see if i can hit 60 fps maxed out at 2160p

[vocal rivet]

Any way to pass cvars during launch for the gamepass version?

[wide pawn]

I buckled and started playing

[median fractal]

I'll just replay it when path tracing launches

I remember when eternal launched they said ray tracing would soon be added and soon turned into like 2 years

[vocal rivet]

I got launch commands for the gamepass version by creating a desktop shortcut to idTechLauncher.exe. Also reshade works by installing for directx 11/12 instead of Vulkan.

Added +com_skipIntroVideo 1 +com_skipKeyPressOnLoadScreens 1

[white talon]

Anyone playing on an LG G3 OLED? Also I know this is all about HDR but Doom sounds really great in Dolby Atmos.

[dusky prism]

Great sound design, that sound you make when you crash into the earth from height is a treat for the subwoofer.

[vocal rivet]

Sounds off on headphones for me. Probably sounds good on speakers tho

[white talon]

I have a full Sonos system but I want to give a listen w/ my Maxwell headphones, should be a treat.

[flat roost]

Where did you point the ReShade installation to? I'm getting a permission error despite launching as administrator

[vocal rivet]

Just choose gamelaunchhelper.exe so it installs into the right folder

[old wind]

i have dxgi.dll right next to the exe's and it still just wont load for me

[swift bridge]

vulkan game

dxgi is directx

[old wind]

I heard that worked for this for whatever reason, what should it be named then?

[spring mulch]

have they said when its coming

[swift bridge]

you have to use the installer and select vulkan

i couldn't get it working with frame gen though so I ended up using specialk instead to load reshade

[old wind]

yeah I did get it working with special k but thats messing it up trying to stream on discord

[pale isle]

Still no mod/hotkey to hide the HUD in the game, right?

Wanna take quick SS like these but without the HUD, don't wanna enable/disable again and again from menu

[dreamy flame]

reshade as dxgi works just fine for me and doesn't break framegen like the vk one did

[pale isle]

Is there a way to see what way SK is loading it? I just have it installed as central install, and been working fine.

[gaunt light]

game is using dxgi interop

install as dxgi fixes the fg issue (with the steam version at least)

[median fractal]

"soon"(tm)

[old wind]

any idea why it just won't load as dxgi for me? i tried setting the presentation layer if that matters and still nothing

[gaunt garnet]

fixed it! ty mate 😗

[cobalt spear]

I made a AHK script to auto-close the warnings windows on game startup

https://pastebin.com/rxtcv6P1

deletle the lines of warning you don't have.

[dreamy flame]

yay

[vocal rivet]

@cobalt spear You can bypass the launcher window with a cfg edit. Open launcher.cfg in {GameInstallLocation}\launcherdata\base\configs\ and change rgl_showNvidiaStartupWarning 1 to 0 (or the amd\intel lines if you have those video cards)

[cobalt spear]

yep I just find out abt that file after making the script 😂

but I still get a CPU error can't be get rid of.

[vocal rivet]

What's the problem?

[cobalt spear]

outdated bios even tho I don't have any issue in the past year gaming.

no, just a warning windows like the GPU one.

[vocal rivet]

picky game

[old wind]

figured it out - i was launching from the game exe but switching to the gamelaunchhelper fixed it and loads dxgi.dll now

[red parrot]

Hello guys, did anyone manage to run the game with Reshade? The moment I installed it I get a black screen on the menu and nothing shows

[gaunt light]

apparently they blend rt reflections with ssr

you can disable ssr for a more consistent presentation withr_ssr 0

and you can also use r_raytracedReflectionsTemporalUpscaleQuality 0 for higher resolution rt reflection

[vocal rivet]

@red parrot Try installing as DX11/12 game instead of Vulkan. That worked for me.

[red parrot]

The game runs on Vulkan tho

[gaunt light]

game uses dxgi interop

[red parrot]

Oh, so installing ReShade with a DX12 hook works?

[dark wharf]

is there like a config file where these changes can be permanent

[gaunt light]

no

[dark wharf]

rip

[gaunt light]

for id tech there is no permanent solution

[dark wharf]

PT will solve

[gaunt light]

ya installing as vulkan with fg on will give a black screen

[red parrot]

Can I still apply the black floor fix doing that?

[gaunt light]

yes

the default rt reflections is half res

which combined with upscaler, doesnt look good

hope this time its true full pt

in indiana jones the direct lightings are not handled by pt

[crystal prawn]

I just want ray reconstruction to upscale the RT already in the game

[crystal prawn]

Indiana still does not have RTX Hair which was supposed to be released 3 months ago

[warm geode]

in pinned messages one post says to not touch midpoint, the other says to set it to 10. which one should it be

[wide pawn]

Musa is 🟪 so gets priority

We were still figuring stuff out on the 14th

then we learnt ID probably set midpoint to 9 to try and cover up for their gamma mismatch

[warm geode]

thanks

[steady gate]

Doubt it
It wouldn't do shit

[charred mortar]

idk if this is cope or not

but apparently it increases RT quality

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3480938444

worth trying

one of them disables SSR that are used along side RT