✅RenoDX: Clair Obscur - Expedition 33

[abstract sand]

Just bought the game, are there any compatibility issues or necessary settings for compatibility between using ClairObscurFix, Ultra Plus, and RenoDX all at the same time? Just wondering if all 3 can work together without any issues

[plucky finch]

I use all 3 just fine, had a bunch of crashes early on, but then I realized I'm running the game in FSE and not Borderless, after switching to the latter crashes went away

Also, I highly recommend using this, otherwise U+ will trash the performance in the areas with a lot of foliage

[abstract sand]

Thanks do you think the foliage fix in the mod could be worth the performance hit? What does the mod actually fix with foliage?

I installed the mod and maxed all the settings in the config file, getting sub 60 fps on my 4090 in dlss peformance in 4k lol probably need to lower the mods settings slightly or maybe use that file

[plucky finch]

Not really no, IMO
it changes/fixes draw distance

The game is super heavy on max settings even without u+

Just use high preset in game and default mod settings

[haughty dirge]

i only think the foilage fix is "worth it" because im playing on a 5090 locked to 60 fps lmao 🙃 - the foilage really does suck by default but the performance hit is SO huge that its probs not worth it if youd have to turn down other settings significantly to get the FPS youre after

[limber goblet]

I think it's worth it, because there are only two very foliage heavy locations, where the framerate can drop significantly and both are optional areas

but only if your PC can handle it ofc

3840x1600 DLSS Balanced, Preset J
And I use these settings with U+:

The game does not drop below 60fps even at those foliage heavy locations, the GPU usage (RTX 4080) averages at around 60%

but with the foliage fix disabled, I can run the game with quality DLSS

[plucky finch]

I still get frame rate drops with high preset and 4k DLSS performance on 5070it (which is roughly as fast as 4080)

[haughty dirge]

yeah thats fair - i dont think those are the only areas where it has an impact but youre right that most of the game the impact is less heavy. i think it just comes down to how much it bothers you - for me it bothered me enough that i was willing to take any hit as long as i could manage to keep it at 60ish FPS. also worth noting (as you did/are using) that imho at least this is one of the games where DLSS preset J does look quite a bit better than K, and (if youre playing at TV distance like moi) even dropping to performance mode DLSS is fine when using the transformer model. so there is quite a bit of performance you can claw back on the GPU heavy side by taking the hit in the areas that bother you most and giving yourself more headroom on the stuff that bothers you less

[limber goblet]

Yea but 2160p performance DLSS is ~16% more demanding that 1600p blanced DLSS

[limber goblet]

@plucky finch Ahh wait, morning brainfog, the performance should be the same on both resolution/dlss presets

hmm Is the framerate locked to 60? It should be stable

[plucky finch]

It is not

It usually is but some parts of the game still drop the frame rate

[limber goblet]

which area for example?

I want to test it

[plucky finch]

Yellow forest for excample

[tidal yacht]

are u using any other customized U+ setting and with RR on or off? could u share them pls 🙂

[pseudo mist]

I used opti scaler irc

[limber goblet]

bloom/fog: percent_80 and I use the 4K upscaled FMVs. I don't use RR.

[pure tapir]

Just finished the game, played the whole thing with RenoDX from start to end. You guys have done outstanding work, it elevated the game's visuals to a whole different level. This is how the game should be experienced. Thank you

[haughty dirge]

@tidal yacht i do use RR in this and love it - but the performance hit is massive and i would venture not worth it to most peeps given how many of the artefacts RR cleans up, base U+ already improves significantly

[limber goblet]

Yea RR is not really required in this game

Running the game at a higher resolution/DLSS preset is better than turning on RR imo

[haughty dirge]

in value for performance loss maybs? im guessing youre probs right when playing at PC monitor distance, playing on the couch i can barely tell the difference between DLSS qual vs DLSS perf (if the game suits the transformer model(s)) so i would say RR is maybe less bang for your buck but in my use case a more noticeable visual difference

but again - that having been said - if i was struggling for performance (well - struggling more than the level of struggle that is endemic to any UE5 game) in this, RR would be the first/next thing to go

TL;DR i agree with you but had to use 300 words of adding my own 2 cents to do it 🙃 🤣

[cobalt crown]

How about everything

MFG 4x, HDR, DLSS Q, RR, Ultra +

Ultra +, came after I had finished the game but it has a big uplift to visuals

[limber goblet]

nooo MFG is cursed 😩

[fiery orchid]

[slow forum]

Hopefully Ritsu's is "FG ready" as is

[plucky finch]

Damn, quality update

[surreal thorn]

did they fix DLAA?

[spare crag]

Lune nerfed 🤯

I really feel like it should be spelt Luné

Well I just loaded in at camp and something weird is happening with my performance now

Turning the camera and it looks like it's dropping from 60 to 30 fps randomly

[cobalt crown]

60FPScel hands typed this

Native FG in game now

Nice

[limber goblet]

The game runs fine without FG

[spare crag]

I think NVIDIA frame gen was enabled by default lol. Bad decision by the Devs.

Turned from Auto to off and game runs fine again

[cobalt crown]

70FPS yh ok boomer

On a 5090

I enjoy my AI hallucination 222FPS locked thank you very much

[limber goblet]

the human eye can't see more than 24 fps

[cobalt crown]

Inb4 Muh latency

Play at 32x24 res then

Much lower latency

[limber goblet]

if you can't play at 1000 fps native on an 1000hz screen then you are not even playing

natural motion blur ftw

[cobalt crown]

Honestly I don't know, since the game didn't have reflex. PD's MFG + Reflex felt like the same amount of latency as vanilla

I was able to get all my dodges and parries in

[limber goblet]

what do you mean? you can enable reflex with both SK and RTSS

[cobalt crown]

Right but the base game itself doesn't allow reflex within game setting menu

Now it does but before there wasn't an option

[cobalt crown]

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[limber goblet]

[merry seal]

I just tried out the new update with FG, it seems to cause flickering in bright highlights/sky...

At least with Reno and Ultra+ enabled

[buoyant falcon]

insane amount of posterization in that gif

[cobalt crown]

Nothing a bit of SF film grain can't fix

[cobalt crown]

That's the avg Reno SDR to HDR path + trans FG experience

[buoyant falcon]

its also SDR gif

so ugly

[topaz yew]

rip puredark mfg doesn't work on new game version, unironically works better than native since it doesn't flicker with latest transformer MFG and renodx

[plucky finch]

Wild that Nvidia and Epic still haven't fixed their shit

[topaz yew]

oh well i'm done with the game already and doubt puredark will revisit the mod now that it has native fg

[cobalt crown]

Fix? no one cares about HDR

FG works fine with default UE HDR

SDRgradingcels just have to cope

Or you know

Can always use RTX HDR

[slow forum]

And if you're on Ampere, @heavy delta's works beautifully once again... suuuuuper smooooooth

I've yet to try how it handles HUD in fights (just briefly ran the game to try it but man it feels great ! Thank you so much once again for "saving us peasants' lives" 😉 )

[raven wadi]

Well for those that still need it they luckily can downgrade their game still on steam

No idea about the other launchers

[slow forum]

Anyone on Blackwell knows what the "Auto" setting for FG does ?

Is it like a dynamic multiplier to match FPS limit or something ?

Oh, maybe it disables it in cutscenes

[merry grove]

it could be just for deciding if it's 4000 series it would put x2 and if it's 5000 series it would set to 4x

[slow forum]

If they did that, it's really dumb

[merry grove]

just like many of the player base, people doesn't even know what they are doing most of the time

[slow forum]

Leveling down is never good tho 😉

But I mean, auto 4x if blackwell would mean tearing, artefacts and all if you don't have a high enough refresh rate monitor

As devs, I'm pretty sure they know better than to do such a thing

If they took a page from PureDark's book tho, the only one worth it imo (dynamically adjusting to match as close as possible target fps or in this case limit) then it would be clever

[merry grove]

frame limit options gets disabled when you turn on fg (If i remember correctly), so I don't think that's the case

[slow forum]

Good point

[merry grove]

yep

[slow forum]

Sucks V-Sync still can't be set in game with NV's FG to this day

Forcing it driver side (or with SK) works just fine so why ffs

[merry grove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[merry ermine]

mod could probably be updated to use ini hdr

should use the same shaders

[merry seal]

This is so baffling to me, since I recently upgraded to be able to use DLSSFG I had no idea so many games are so stupid about not letting you use vsync with FG in game. Vsync should be on no matter what really.

[buoyant falcon]

more like a windows issue ?

SK vsync is just nvcp vsync

windows has no option for driver level vsync when you in game

[slow forum]

That's on Nvidia, it's them preventing in-game V-sync to work with (M)FG

[buoyant falcon]

because in game vsync can be borked

in a lot of games

sk forced vsync is driver level

[slow forum]

Nah, just because they don't officially support (M)FG v-synced

[buoyant falcon]

there is

in nvcp

[slow forum]

And yeah ik SK's is driver level

[buoyant falcon]

the problem is

on windows

[slow forum]

But they don't support vsynced fg natively

[buoyant falcon]

there is no built in vsync in real time

by natively do you mean in game vsync

i think thats more of a limitation of current FG

[slow forum]

Yeah, that's the point, no problem with FSR FG + vsync natively

[buoyant falcon]

game might not know the actually FPS

[slow forum]

It does

[buoyant falcon]

i should say the display FPS

game definitely knows the REAL fps

[slow forum]

it knows both

At least can know both

[buoyant falcon]

a system level real time vsync would solve this

like steamdeck

no idea why this is still not available "officially" since SK can do it

[slow forum]

It's because of Nvidia, they just don't support "native vsync"/"in-game vsync" (however one wants to call it) with FG, it's in their docs

driver level is a crutch anyway, happens to work fine but a good in-game vsync would likely be better, won't ever know I think

[plucky finch]

What's the value in that over using SDR path

[merry ermine]

fixes framegen

[plucky finch]

ah

[haughty dirge]

the no v-sync when turning on DLSS-FG has never made sense to me because I use SK's frame limiter and forced v-sync in basically every game i play and... FG works great with both/either

so its clearly not a technical problem

for whatever reason they just... have never changed the default behaviour and don't let the user adjust it without external tools :/

[ionic notch]

Nah fr

If you can’t run Crysis at over 800 fps don’t @ me

Btw does this break U+ at all?

The new patch?*

[young summit]

does the new patch affect renodx?

[brittle cove]

if you use framegen then yes, bright light flickers.

upping the ui brightness does seem to help a bit

[merry grove]

or you can switch back to cnn fg dll

[jagged portal]

V3.0.0

• Rework mod
• Provide option to use UE Engine.ini HDR to get around FG issues.
• Sliders no longer apply in realtime
• Fix RCAS implementation

[grim hinge]

very nice

now I might actually play the game

[ionic notch]

You should because it’s gonna win goty

[grim hinge]

terrible games have won goty before

gow2018

praying for donkey to win

need an extreme controversy to tank this game

praying they get spiderman lotus'd

[limber goblet]

monkey rage slop winning? nah

[cobalt crown]

Brother, just download Ultra Plus and lower the volumetric fog + bloom down

[limber goblet]

Yea like BoTW

[grim hinge]

not a solution

fundamentally shite art

in hitman I didn't lower bloom by much, instead i adjusted how it was blended

[cobalt crown]

this dude

[grim hinge]

also the gameplay

I hate turn based

ui is doing too much also

[cobalt crown]

This dude

[ionic notch]

BOTW was fun for what it was and I liked the story
TOTK was dogshit

Thank god it didn’t win goty

[limber goblet]

Story? I must have missed that

[ionic notch]

💀

For a Nintendo game it’s good

[ionic notch]

Isn’t BG3 turn based tho

[cobalt crown]

Bing bing wahoo isn't story

[grim hinge]

bg3 is too much for me

[ionic notch]

I’ll give you that the English dub is horrific

[grim hinge]

I can appreciate what's there but its exhausting to play

[ionic notch]

Nintendo voice acting is

[cobalt crown]

Ladies and gentlemen

Musa

Can code

[limber goblet]

But in all seriousness, if Exp33 wins goty then it wins because of the story/music/writing, the dreamy artstyle is not goty worthy tbh

[cobalt crown]

But BG3 is too much

[grim hinge]

i can't code

[cobalt crown]

AI vibing?

[grim hinge]

no game devs are just clueless about post processing so everything I'm doing is low hanging fruit

I like AC Shadows more than Expedition 33

[cobalt crown]

[ionic notch]

That quote is going down in history

[limber goblet]

AC shadows is comfort food

[ionic notch]

AC shadows would be a game I play when I’m listening to some YouTube video or I’m on a call with my friends

[grim hinge]

game devs would rather make a metal surface 5% shinier than learn how to not nuke their image quality with shit tonemapping

so I got easy work cut out for me

[ionic notch]

We seriously need to ask these kind of questions to game devs

[grim hinge]

have to ask the one guy in the office assigned to get hdr output working

[ionic notch]

Unpaid intern

What I seriously don’t get is when they don’t give you an option to change peak brightness so it’s tonemapped to 10,000 nits.

Like yeah thanks man

All of us with our 10,000 nit TV’s

[ionic notch]

I am noticing that none of the options are really working even after applying it via menu

Is this incompitable with U+?

[grim hinge]

if you go into the graphics settings and then exit out does it then apply

might have to move the gamma slider to trigger a lut rebuild

[ionic notch]

Nope

not even when I press applty

apply*

[ionic notch]

Let me try

Nada

It is stuck at 226 nits for me for some reason

and even weirder

when I go into the menu it goes pass that

but I am literally looking at the sun

so my max should be higher than the dark menu

Let me try the older build

I also restarted the game

Wait

@grim hinge in the previous build I noticed it came with a dxgi.dll

do I need to put that in regardless for renodx to work in this game?

okay nevermind

older build works fine

strange

[grim hinge]

idk

[gaunt hearth]

The dxgi from the previous build is reshade 6.4.1 I think

[ionic notch]

Ah I see

[gaunt hearth]

so you probably can't use the new reno mod with the old dxgi

[ionic notch]

But yeah new build didn’t work at all

[ionic notch]

I’m on latest

Ill test it out tomorrow see if i fucked something up

Don’t think I did if previous build was working

[gaunt hearth]

I can only test it in the afternoon (around 6 hours from now). TBH haven't launched the game since I beat it 6 days after release O.O

[ionic notch]

I have some games in my catalogue I need to catch up on tbh

Right now it’s Death Stranding 2

I know it just came out

But I been super busy I’m only on the second chapter

[cobalt crown]

We thank you for your service

[hidden wren]

This doesnt load in with dxgi.dll i grabbed from NexusMods page

I am new to HDR mods, any help is appreciated

[fiery orchid]

get reshade 6.5.1 with addons from the download page https://reshade.me/#download
nexus has an older reshade which isn't compatible with the new version

[hidden wren]

I just figured this out

however, my game is windows version

and when i try to load the exe, it asks for admin

so what I did was, I grabbed Dxgi from my recent GOW install,

and dropped it in there

will that be sufficient enough?

or I'd need to drop more files

[fiery orchid]

if the gow file is 6.5.1 it should work

[hidden wren]

it is, yes

let me boot up

[hidden wren]

it asks me to enter expedition menu?

[fiery orchid]

the party meanu yeah

only if/when you move the sliders

[hidden wren]

ohh I just have to press tab, apply and come back

I see

[buoyant falcon]

its also a bad turn based game

oneshotslop

[cobalt crown]

That's after act 2

Because they removed the 9999 cap

The game is balanced before that

Act 3 is Stendhal simulator though

[gaunt hearth]

just use the burn build if you don't want to oneshot stuff O.O

(you're gonna oneshot shit anyway because the system is busted)

once you start stacking buffs after buffs you're pretty much doing tons of damage with every character

[buoyant falcon]

its just bad gameplay design

french dont know how to do a proper turn based system

fyi, the hardest boss in smtvv only has like 100k hp

the max damage you can do is like 10k

with shit tons of buffs

[cobalt crown]

Turn base as a whole is bad

Umm yes pls, I want my team and the enemy to just stand there looking at one another

RL doesn't have turns... dafuq is this

Atleast XCOM internalises a turn as 6 seconds (both you and the enemy) just slowed down from your perspective

[buoyant falcon]

xcom 2 combat is pretty good imo

[ionic notch]

@grim hinge I’m so dumb, I thought y’all meant the menu settings page not the party settings

😭

Okay I’ll try out the new build doing that

[wraith ore]

Edit: nevermind, this was already answered lol
Can you see the slider effect in-game by entering a menu or something, or do you have to reload the game? And of course, thank you.

[regal pivot]

with the normal swapchain upgrade my game is also clamped to sdr

and with UE HDR, the battle UI goes to 10k nits

the floating menus

that happens even without reno

[regal pivot]

you can just open the party menu in-game for the sliders to take effect

[jagged portal]

You might have some mod or setting generating a new lutbuilder

[regal pivot]

highlights look clipped so the lutbuilders still run

[slow forum]

Anyone having issues with Ritsu's + ClairObscurFix ?

Can't load save

Freezes then silent crash (even SK doesn't sound it off)

Loads fine without ClairObscurFix tho

[wooden gazelle]

ty for reworking the mod to have a ue5 hdr ini path!

[brittle cove]

how do i go about using the ue5 hdr ini btw?

do i edit the one ini in %LOCALAPPDATA%\Sandfall\Saved etc

[rose latch]

try disabling center hud option in fix ini, worked for me

[slow forum]

Thanks, will try right away 🙂

[slow forum]

It worked for me too ! Thank you so much Repley

[merry ermine]

you're too hard on yourself lol

[grim hinge]

Need to learn galaxy brain c++ stuff though

When ShortFuse starts talking about mutexes my eyes glaze over

[hasty loom]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-gibberish-gif-15531357

[merry ermine]

you might be guilty of doing the thing I do a lot which is valuing the things that don't come naturally to you more than the things that do. You're writing good consistent code, and you breeze through all the shader code. I promise you, absorbing the shader code like that is a skill lol.

[hybrid wind]

Mutexes over reading hundreds of packed shader code anyday

[merry ermine]

that's what I'm saying lol

I get regular ass programming pretty easily, shader code kicks my ass

I let them figure shit out and I copy paste

Musa cookin up some of the best looking HDR in video games like "I suck at this"

[merry ermine]

oh did you switch to Musa's stuff?

dumb question, I checked the code instead

very nice

[wraith ore]

Should I be using the UE HDR option if I'm using MFG? I assume so, but now the in+battle UI isn't tone mapped and is way over saturated. Not sure if that's because of the tone mapper I choose, currently using the "UE filmic" setting, not sure what the equivalent to the previous Reno version is.

[grim hinge]

The ui shaders must be drawing onto the game render after tonemapping which gets decoded as pq in the composite shader

[wraith ore]

hmmm, I wonder if this is an issue caused by Ultra+ in combo with the new RenoDX

[wooden gazelle]

i'm experiencing the over saturated battle ui as well! i'm also experiencing a bunch of vertex explosions, likely unrelated to the mod, is anyone else seeing this? i'm going to try reinstalling the game

[ornate pilot]

over saturated battle UI is vanilla issue if using UE engine.ini HDR

[haughty dirge]

ill preface this by saying i havent tried newest version of ritsu's renoDX yet, but unless there's new features you desperately need, no clairobscurfix past v0.0.9 has been stable for me and quite a few others

aaaand as always the solution was already provided by someone else and i should read the thread before posting 😬 👆

[modest wave]

If you're using Ultra+ LightingQuality epic with the new hdr it creates the weird colors in cutscenes. Changing it to high seems to fix it at least in the cutscenes I had it in

[wooden gazelle]

I'm not but I'm having issues with no mods too so i'm going to try wiping my driver... somehow it fixed TLOU2 despite the fact that I had just ddu'd a few days ago

[wooden gazelle]

ddu seems to have fixed the vertex explosions and crashes, i'm using clair obscur fix with center hud disabled, ritsus mod with ue5 hdr, both injected via sk

i just wiped yesterday so who knows lol

[regal pivot]

tested it again without any mods, blowout 100 turns everything bw, and it's still clamped

I think you maybe forgot to upgrade the lutbuilder generated lut resource

don't see it in your code

renodx::mods::swapchain::swap_chain_upgrade_targets.push_back({
  .old_format = reshade::api::format::r10g10b10a2_unorm,
  .new_format = reshade::api::format::r16g16b16a16_float,
  .dimensions = {.width = 32, .height = 32, .depth = 32},
  .resource_tag = 1.f,
});

[queen latch]

hi, are there recommended settigns or should I stick with default (apart from peak brightness ofc)

[jagged portal]

Engine ini should automatically change it to rgb10a2

And I'm pq encoding it

[river dagger]

Looking for help after game updated from 1.3 to 1.4. Since game v1.4, the game starts to launch, but then gets stuck at all black screen, never see any of the splashes. I have to kill using task manager. If I remove renodx-clairobscur_expedition33.addon64 the game launches fine. This is latest addon64 from https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/6?tab=files v2.2.1

Previously with game v1.3 no problems, worked great.

I completely uninstalled the game, then reinstall, then copied save game over (i'm still in Act 1), no other mods. My ReShade.log available at https://pastebin.com/zKMi52Xx

[jagged portal]

Try this build #1365094340355035167 message

[regal pivot]

I mean for the normal swapchain upgrade

Engine.ini works beside the 10k nits, oversaturated battle UI

[jagged portal]

Lemme test the battles

[regal pivot]

does the normal swapchain upgrade work for you? cuz it doesn't for me and this guy #1365094340355035167 message

[river dagger]

Same symptoms. Here's the ReShade.log https://pastebin.com/GUUMfNE7
I'm happy to try other steps.

[tulip thicket]

Why isn't this version uploaded to nexusmods or github?

[jagged portal]

You tried with unreal HDR swapchain?

[crimson hamlet]

wheren can i find the latest version

?

[crimson hamlet]

nvm, sorry

[jagged portal]

V3.1.0

• Fix Engine.ini combat UI

@regal pivot Please check it out

Regarding the swapchain upgrade, try deleting your renodx settings. I couldn't replicate it

Though I think swapchain upgrade looks different than engine.ini, I'll double check it later.

[regal pivot]

for some reason this really fixed it lol

and battle UI with engine ini is solid now too, nice

sorry for bothering you so much

mod seems perfect now

[river dagger]

With latest V3.1.0 I can now start and load save game. Thanks!

[jagged portal]

Nah, I appreciate it. Lemme know if there are any more bugs

[quartz python]

v3.1.0 doesnt work for me. It's not loading, pressing home and nothing appear. I have game on steam

[quartz python]

installed new reshade and works, but still flickering on FG

[quartz python]

works with UE HDR

[crimson hamlet]

what preset yall use?

[queen latch]

Hi all, for some reason when the game is supposed to fade to black it doesn't, often showing preloaded areas or characters t-posing before cutscenes, could this be related to Reno?

[spare crag]

I have a different issue with game fades, as the game fades the colours get all weird and inverted

[plucky finch]

Sounds like a streamline issue
Played the game before they added reflex and frame gen, saw no such thing
Are you using the mod with UE HDR enabled?

[spare crag]

No I was playing pre latest patch, always had the issue

Playing with Lyall and RenoDX only

So don't think so

[frozen urchin]

Hi, can someone please make an instruction on how to properly install the updated version of RenoDX? I installed Reshade with Add-On Support and now i am losing frames in combat with DLAA and FG on X3. Thank you!

[jagged portal]

How many frames?

[queen latch]

nevermind had not changed from swap chain to UE HDR, I think that fixed it

[haughty dirge]

Sorry to ping - am I the only one who does not intuitively know what the "engine.ini" method is or what I need to set in it to use it with the latest RenoDX? 😬 🙏

[jagged portal]

Hmmmm

[plucky finch]

Yes

Jokes aside
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Engine:Unreal_Engine_5#High_dynamic_range_.28HDR.29

[haughty dirge]

ok sorry thats my bad on being incredibly unclear in my original message

ive obvi come across "the engine.ini" method for adding HDR to UE but

my more specific question was if there are specific values i need to use beyond enabling HDR? or are the values for the variables listed on the PCGW page literally the ones that should always be used

💯 my bad for a bad/insufficient question

[haughty dirge]

apologies mate - im mad tired and that was a horribly insufficiently phrased question - to try to do better this time beyond what i already added in reply to koklusz, is the engine.ini method "only" for MFG compatibility? do i need to even worry about it if im happy with no FG or 2x?

[jagged portal]

Use this, lemme know if it helps clear stuff up
Not being an ass, but a lot of people are getting confused so I'm trying to make it clearer in the addon itself

[plucky finch]

I assume it means you need only the cvars from PCGW to enable UE HDR output, RenoDX should do the rest

[haughty dirge]

let me guess - the instructions are in the addon control panel and in my sleep deprived state i didnt actually copy the latest version of the addon into my game directory

[jagged portal]

No, I just added them

[haughty dirge]

tbc totes dont think youre being an ass

[jagged portal]

You're good, your question is valid

[haughty dirge]

ok 😅 haha

[jagged portal]

I should've clarified it

[haughty dirge]

i was like did i forget how to press ctrl+v

all good - tysm 👍 rly appreciate it

[jagged portal]

Do lemme know if the addon is clearer now

tbc you don't have to manually adjust engine.ini

[haughty dirge]

yep i had just quickly jumped into the new robocop not a dlc its standalone but its really dlc but not game - lemme boot the new version of the COE33 addon up now and ill have a look and let you know if i get it ^^

do i need a diff reshade version than 6.5.1?

[haughty dirge]

"failed to register add-on, because the requested API version (17) is not supported (16)"

fwiw i didnt have any issues using the 2.x version of the add-on, but i had to nuke the install in between for an unrelated reason so dont recall if i had 6.4.1 or one of shortfuse's special reshade dlls installed, or if the mod used to come with one?

[jagged portal]

Upgrade your reshade

Latest version requires reshade 6.5.x

[haughty dirge]

it should be 6.5.1 bc i started with a fresh game install rn so just copied the files over but ill double check

alright

try number 3 🙃

ty for bearing w me

[west smelt]

Ritsu, I'm usingthe latest version (both Reshade and Reno). The battle UI is deep fried. Have reset everything the settings just now but still the same.
Anything specific I need to do to make it medium rare?

[jagged portal]

I already fixed this, your whole UI looks wrong

You using mods or manually editing enginee.ini?

[haughty dirge]

yep i goofed - not sure how i managed to get a 6.4.x dll in there originally but add-on working now - just restarting the game as per the big red letters - i dont know if this is just a "me" thing or not but i feel like specifically adding that no manual editing of engine.ini is required would be helpful (tho i am also very mindful that my thought jumping to engine.ini was solely due to the discussion on this server - the way youve named the upgrade methods is great in that it makes no mention of any of that background stuff). about to load into game now, and between me having (i thought) done a fresh install of this game but the add-on having most of my old settings still - kinda doing my head in - just a quick double check that none of these settings look blatantly wrong? none for tone mapper strikes me as weird but happy to find out its fine if you say so 😛

[west smelt]

I'm using mods. But no manual engine.ini edits. My engine.ini only has this:

[ConsoleVariables]
r.HDR.EnableHDROutput=1

I'm using Special K + Ultra+ + Reno. And some QOL mods.

I can try without mods.

[jagged portal]

Restart the game and see if it's fixed

If not, then one of the mods is messing something up

[west smelt]

I tried without U+ and it was the same.

Okay. Let me try. Will come back.

[haughty dirge]

actually the more i think about this the more i think your current explanatory text is best

[jagged portal]

It's not, reset settings to defaults

[haughty dirge]

ignore what i said about mentioning the no manual edit

[jagged portal]

It's reworked compared to 2.x version, so their settings aren't fully compatible

[haughty dirge]

if not for reading the stuff on this server, having that in the add-on description would just confuse me further

ok lemme reset to default and restart

guess your changelog saying "reworked" might have tipped a smarter person off

^^

[jagged portal]

Haha you're good

[west smelt]

Sir, you were right. It must have been a mod. Removed all mods. Its working fine now with Special K + U+ + Reno. No mods.

[haughty dirge]

ty for bearing w me bc that was A LOT of self inflicted mistakes (clearly a lot of left over old dxgi.dll/reshade configs/etc in the game folder even though i "thought" it was a fresh install

long story short, booted up, did literally what your explanatory text said which was... move one slider haha

rebooted, set peak nits, etc

game looks fantastic 👍

[haughty dirge]

fwiw i basically disabled/removed all mods that had anything to do with the UI (better fonts, better pictos descriptions and sorting, etc.) and all UI funniness went away - even some of the ones they say theyre compatible with the latest patch seem to be compatible in the "wont crash" way rather than "fully works properly" way

[haughty dirge]

and just to re-reiterate, im still very sold on my 180 re your descriptive text - i think the current labelling and instructions are perfect for how (i imagine?) most users will come across the mod. if not for partly reading/skimming the discussion in this thread the engine.ini stuff wouldnt even have registered for me

[west smelt]

Yea, I had similar mods. Disabled them and it works fine. Dont need most of these mods now anyway.

[haughty dirge]

i think what youve got now in the latest version you told me to try is the way to go

[jagged portal]

Will keep it as it is 🙏

[haughty dirge]

also - as an aside - and i know not everyone subscribes to my approach of using SK as my main launcher and basically using it by default 😅 but whatever you've done here and in your avowed mod as well for FG compatibility is fucking amazing for those of us that do use SK - makes no difference/the option doesnt even exist without FG, but when using FG, SK exposes a "pace native frames" option that i think is basically just what Kal is calling what Nvidia calls "flip metering" and its for FG frame times 🔥

i know im probs in a tiny niche of a niche of users this matters to but

its awesome so - thanks for that too ^^

[jagged portal]

I do it because I use SK myself 😆

[west smelt]

You're not alone! Been using SK since I can't remember when.
Also, give PlayNite a try. It consolidates all your libraries. And it has a SK plugin. I basically search games using PlayNite, install it, launch it and it launches with SK + ReShade + Reno (if available) and sets AutoVRR (Reflex override + other stuff), latest DLSS, etc without me doing anything.

Only thing I have to do is download and put Reno in a central directory.

[haughty dirge]

i have been meaning to get back around to checking it out actually - i installed it like, years ago but never actually got around to giving it a proper go

[west smelt]

I find it better to use the Portable version. So it retains everything between PC moves and refreshes.

[haughty dirge]

i remember how initially hopeful i was for GOG's whole "launcher for everything" overhaul and... that was so pointless ive just been using SKIF's list haha

[west smelt]

lol. Yea.
Playnite even integrates with GamePass. So all new games automatically show up in my library if I want to install. It also has a isthereanydeal plugin. lol.

Beauty of opensource I suppose.

[haughty dirge]

for all of microsofts ills - and theres a lot - i have no illusions about the fact that its gonna be my primary gaming OS for a long time still. so the part of me that likes the xbox console UI is actually kinda hopeful that they manage to pull off this whole "your PC will get an xbox gaming mode that covers all storefronts thing" because it would be so great if done well but...

lets say i have very little faith in the windows' teams ability to execute on it well and i have zero faith they'd actually let the xbox team take the lead

[haughty dirge]

it does all sound very appealing - youve defs renewed my interest

[jagged portal]

V3.2.0

• Add tonemapping scaling
• Clarify swapchain upgrades

[haughty dirge]

oh no... more work.... 🫡

[haughty dirge]

this one seems to be giving me a fatal error exe crash within 30 seconds or so of me moving around in game/moving the camera. none of my other mods have changed since prior version but i am mindful that i have other mods turned on so will do some testing versus prior version and with ALL other mods disabled

knowing me its v likely to be a my end problem but 🤷‍♂️ just an fyi

[haughty dirge]

fyi - defs not you - even tho the game was running great before and i cant think of whats changed something's fucked so ima nuke it for realsies this time and just start fresh - theres too much random left over mod crap i might be missing in that folder

ty again for all your help tonight

[wooden gazelle]

I've been testing without mods and I get crashes either way, weirdly enough restarting my computer fixed the errors for me... theres definitely issues with the game unrelated to the mods

[prisma lava]

i thought it was just me... getting crashes when starting the game and moving around for few seconds.

though I am still on older version, not the one from today

[topaz yew]

no crashes for me on latest reno, with unreal hdr it now works great with frame gen and almost better than with puredark fg mod. Biggest difference with native is it turns off fg during cutscenes and would need an updated clair obscur fix mod from lyall which solved that issue in many other games.

[haughty dirge]

@wooden gazelle @prisma lava thanks gents - at least I feel less crazy because I literally deleted the remaining game directory after uninstall this time, reinstalled, double checked that it's NOTHING but a vanilla installl, and still getting the same crashes

Now I'm wondering whether it might be related to the specific spot I'm in because my continue save file and last three "previous saves" are all from the same area at the end of the narrative

If I get a chance I'll try starting a new game today and see if the issue persists 👍

[ornate pilot]

For the crash in this games, you guys need to check if your GPU is overclock/undervolt first.

Because for me that is the real cause for crash, this game doesn't really like OC/UV GPU.

[prisma lava]

I just started my game...

[haughty dirge]

I haven't touched any of the vendor tools but snow that you mention it, the auto oc wtv it's called tick box in NVIDIA app might be on

I'll be able to check in a few hours and report back 👍

[haughty dirge]

Feeling kinda stupid I haven't checked this tbh because I've given the same advice to lots of other peeps for diff UE5 games - dunno why it's dif games for diff peeps but yeah I do keep coming across UV/OCs that are rock solid... Except for a single (always happens to be) UE5 game

[wooden gazelle]

try a restart of your computer, that has worked for me multiple times, if that doesn't work try a clean install of the latest driver, that has also worked...

no none of it makes sense

[frosty slate]

how can i do this ? DLSS FG WILL ONLY WORK WHEN USING UNREAL ENGINE SWAPCHAIN UPGRADE

[frosty slate]

And do i have to put this in engine ini

[SystemSettings]
r.AllowHDR=1
r.HDR.EnableHDROutput=1
r.HDR.Display.OutputDevice=5
r.HDR.Display.ColorGamut=2

?

[wooden gazelle]

Don't modify the engine.ini yourself, there is a slider inside RenoDX that will do the upgrade for you

[frosty slate]

I already have engine ini with some modification that i made , will they br affected ?

[wooden gazelle]

Not sure, I don't use any other engine ini changes

[digital venture]

do you think it's ok here ? I don't know if i need to lower saturation more since unreal hdr update in reno

[digital venture]

well it looks great, thanks for the work on reno for this game, it deserve it, time for a new run

[limber goblet]

RCAS sharpens at 100 is cutting my eyes and I don't think that flare should be used, it's destroying black level details

after a lot of testing we found that the default settings, with blowout at 1, are actually the best looking

increasing highlights a little doesn't hurt, but Iowering shadows/increasing contrast crushes blacks

[digital venture]

Ok thanks

[haughty dirge]

im only just jumping back into the game and was always pretty happy with defaults and blowout at 10 - ill have a play to check out the difference myself but why do you recommend 1? 🙂

[haughty dirge]

sorry to jump on this so late, was just going back thru this thread because i feel like im going crazy - like i had everything working perfectly after the new patch, ended up reinstalling game and drivers as you suggested, but i booted it up today and.... vertex explosions all over the place (if thats what the geometry near the camera and the far distance being a black flickery mess means). just wondering how/if you solved that?

[haughty dirge]

so while im still having other issues with the game post the newest patch, in maybe the weirdest crash solution ive come across in a while, not even a complete reinstall of the game fixed the crashing for me - it seemed to be tied to the (steam synced) save file(s) in some way, and the three "alternative" ones it lets you pick instead of continue where all from the same area of the game for me. so the way i fixed the crashing was, start a new game in a new save slot, skip the intro cutscenes -> play for like 2 mins just to see yep no crashing, quit back to main menu, load my original save game that was previously crashing within 30 secs of loading in and... it now works fine 🙃

this game really is something special in terms of (1) easily my GOTY and (2) has me ripping my hair out even though im pretty used to the state of the PC gaming these days

if anyone has any idea on geometry/textures/sorry i dont know the correct technical term flickering in and out of existence (turning into black or white as the camera moves) rapidly, im all ears. fwiw i can eliminate the problem by disabling either reno or ultra plus, but its driving me nuts because unless i dreamt it, i was using that exact combo yesterday without this issue once id gotten the crashing sorted

time to pass out - ty all

[lone drum]

monkey game

keeps crashing on first cutscene when u make a new game

without renodx too

[wooden gazelle]

I fixed that by using DDU and reinstalling the driver. I let nvclean download the driver instead of using my local copy… it shouldn’t make a difference. So I’d try using ddu and installing fresh again, the only thing I change is disabling ansel and setting the proper refresh rate / color depth.

[limber goblet]

the difference is minimal, 1 "turns on" blowout, anything between 1-25 is fine imo

[limber goblet]

I had to use DDU before updating to the new 580.88 driver to prevent BSODs and crashes. I tried updating the driver the "Normal" way, but it was causing all kind of issues like BSOD after changing source on the TV lol

[haughty dirge]

yeah ok, ive been having massive issues with audio dropout for audio over hdmi since this driver update as well

i always nvcleainstall drivers but didnt pre-DDU this time

im pretty tempted to go back to prior driver for the moment tbh, none of the fixes are essential and im having issues in COE33 in particular ive never had before

[limber goblet]

I have no issues atm, but I use a 4080. Maybe it causes even more issues for 50 series card owners :/

the Nvidia GPU driver are very unreliable nowadays

[haughty dirge]

aint that the truth 😮‍💨

[haughty dirge]

dude i just dont learn my lessons. i went thru months of pain on my 4090 before like, devs starting posting on steam to use the dec-2024 driver, whatever version that was, and all of a sudden everything worked fine again

by the time i managed to get a normal price 5090 i didnt actually run into any of the major driver issues peeps were having

i swear to fucking god, i basically did a refresh install of windows, clean install of the game, DDUed, nope

today i just did what you suggested which is... the safest assumption these days is apparently that the company who singularly defines the future of graphics technology and is enabling things none of us thought possible 5 years ago, cant write a driver that wont fuck up your shit

didnt even ddu today - just did a lazy rollback from 580 to 577 and everything works again 😭 🙃

so tyvm for the suggestion, and hopefully ive fiiiiiinally learned my lesson that regardless of what the issue is the solution isnt just "nuke the shader cache" but "if nuking the shader cache doesnt fix it roll back to the older driver because they like to make them worse"

[limber goblet]

what a time to be a PC enthusiast...

you have to spend half of your free time debugging shit

[haughty dirge]

it me

like yah i get it i could just play the vanilla games and still have all the UE5 issues but at least things wouldnt break... as often

but if im not gonna bother getting good HDR and actually getting the visual fidelity we want outta UE

why bother with PC at all

just seems like its suuuch effort atm

[prisma lava]

Please pin this 🙂

[fiery orchid]

it's already pinned as the "latest build" in the first pinned/topmost message

[prisma lava]

i see ok

Good to see the game is not crashing anymore with it

[limber goblet]

@haughty dirge is it jsut me or the new version of the mod 3.x+ desaturated highlights so much that the 34 text during the intro is white instead of yellow

[haughty dirge]

ill be honest i skipped thru it too quickly to notice as the only time i started a new game on 3.x was because starting a new game would fix the bug where loading your existing save would cause an instant crash

but ive got some gaming time today and will check it out - which part are you talking about? the number on the monolith or when the game's title comes up against a black background iirc?

[alpine bolt]

Just dropped in to say thanks. Makes the game 100x better.

[limber goblet]

The number on the monolith

when Gustave is throwing rocks

I can’t fix the 3.x version’s saturation issues. Everything is very very desaturated. Increasing both the highlight and normal saturation to ~70 helps but the game looks very wrong all the time.

The he contrast is weird too

faces turn white

The old version is not perfect either, it needs a hue correction slider, but other than that it looks great even at the default settings. Decreasing the highlight saturation slider to 45-48 is recommended now that I tested the beginning of the game again.

[haughty dirge]

sweet - ty - didnt get a chance yday but will try again today

ahhhhhhhhhhh

^ worst jump scare imaginable

[prisma lava]

Game looks gorgeous!

sorry SDR shot ^

[proven bridge]

sorry if i messed up with the screenshots, I'm fairly new at all this hdr stuff. Anyways, are some of the hud elements in these screenshots supposed to look like this with this mod on? I feel like the game looks fine? But the hud just feels a little off... text being a bit duller and the blur effects behind the buff/debuff effects and the battle recaps looking way too defined compared to sdr. Happens with the subtitles too but I turn the subtitle blur off anyways, I just wanted to see if it looked like this as well. I should have taken a few more sdr ones

[jagged portal]

Unreal swapchain?

[proven bridge]

yeah I have it enabled if that's what you're asking, I was having this weird issue in cutscene transitions without it. Though I haven't tested if this happens without it

[proven bridge]

Oh right, I wasn't sure before but with unreal hdr option off the game is definitely super dull overall in addition to that cutscene problem. Sorry if I am a bit lost tho... you were referring to the hdr upgrade method, right?

[jagged portal]

Yeah, HDR upgrade method should be set to Unreal

Currently SDR swapchain is incompatible with DLSS4 FG

ShortFuse is working on fixing that, so I think I'll wait for that instead of spending time hunting issues

[proven bridge]

Ah okay makes sense, I'm just really confused about those hud issues. Not sure what's going wrong there but I guess it's not a big deal since the rest of the game looks good, I think.

[jagged portal]

You can use SDR swapchain, but you'll have to downgrade dlss_fg to 3.8.1

[hasty loom]

The problem is the swapchain proxy itself. I haven't dug deep into unreal shaders, but if it has a clean UI render (almost always the case with DLSSfg) then ditching the proxy could be the better solution. Worst case: a bunch of UI shaders

Stellar Blade runs like trash with FG, regardless of RenoDX so it's annoying to debug.

Swapchain proxy may not be worth it, even if I solve the flicker issue. Just better fps if we don't use a proxy. But that would mean scaling and encoding to PQ all the UI shaders. Again, depends on how messed up UI => Swapchain writes are

Doesn't make sense for a universal mod, but for just one game, it might.

[jagged portal]

Unreal doesn't have a final shader in SDR so we'll have to hunt the UI shaders.

Isn't there a way to get DLSS resources?

[hasty loom]

yeah, hooking slSetTag. Though doesn't seem to be all that useful. If using proxy, the proxy will remap all attempts by streamline to access to 8bit versions anyway

Well, the resource cloning

Though unreal usually has 16bit textures passed to streamline for FG. Stellar Blade is custom and passes it a 8bit bgra8 texture

[jagged portal]

We just need the UI texture

[hasty loom]

That's why trace unmodified shaders exists, where you just play for a while and it'll log what shaders wrote to the swapchain.

But you risk not finding them all

The rgb10a2 we upgrade to avoid black screen is the game swapchain. But to the Devkit, because streamline rewrites stuff, we see that texture as just another texture

[jagged portal]

I hope it's eventually figured out

DLSS4 is becoming more and more common, so it won't be a game here or there

And I think some games have different cbuffer values when Engine.ini HDR is on

[haughty dirge]

kinda like DLSS2, i reckon this is something we'll see in drips and drabs (as has been happening already), but then there'll be this overnight moment again where every major game suddenly ships not just with DLSS but the latest-ish version

DLSS4 as default is already building momentum

imho its more like an exponential curve in take-up vs a linear one

[haughty dirge]

sorry it has taken me so long, but ive only just gotten a chance to test and i dont think im seeing the same thing you are - nb im using renodx 3.1.0 for this game, i cant remember why not 3.2.0 except for the fact that something wasnt working right for me and i was way too tired at that moment to figure it out

hang on lemme drop some screenshots

here are the JXR HDR screenshots - according to SKIV, max luminance is close to my display's 2500 peak nits, and the "show SDR as grayscale" option confirms the text on the monolith is - for all intents and purposes - the brightest and most HDR-ey (im sure thats the technical term xD) element on screen

for comparison, i tried to take some screenshots from roughly the same spots without RenoDX/in SDR

now my eyes arent the best for this stuff, which is why i so appreciate the work peeps like KoKlusz do in the HDR analysis channel, and the recommended settings we get either on Discord or even in RenoDX add-on buttons sometimes

but to me at least imho the RenoDX/HDR version looks like what I would expect a more or less accurate look to be based on the SDR image

brighter highlights, sure, which is esp the monolith text in this case, but saturation/colour/amount of yellow/whatever you wanna call it looks correct to me?

[limber goblet]

Interesting, thanks for retesting it. What are your settings? Something is either wrong on my end or something weird is going on with the 3.2 version.

[haughty dirge]

sry my replies are so delayed atm mate - here's the settings:

iirc its literally default with my peak nits and blowout bumped to 10

(which i just realised it isnt in the screenshot, iirc ritsu told me to nuke the config between one of the version changes and i mustve forgotten to change it)

i wonder if thats enough to cause what youre seeing

[limber goblet]

I will retest it tonight

[haughty dirge]

looking fwd to it just out of curiosity at this point - lmk if there's anything else you want me to try/check/compare once you've had another look on your end

[haughty dirge]

https://tenor.com/nZC8HrG0Veo.gif

[trim anchor]

imma start the game tonight

hopefully it won't explode from having 3 mods installed

wow this is tiny

[somber pebble]

I'm coming back to this game next week. Is it even worth upgrading reno to the latest one? Can't even remember which one I was running

[limber goblet]

okay I found the "issue"

SDR path does not work correctly

you have to use UE HDR

with 3.1/3.2

@jagged portal Hey! I think SDR path is broken in the 3.1/3.2 versions of the mod. Everything is super desaturated.

SDR path vs UE HDR

using the same Reno preset

[prisma lava]

so UE HDR is just fine on new version?

[limber goblet]

it is

the game actually looks a lot better with the 3.2 version than with the older 2.x version

the colors are accurate

[limber goblet]

It is the 3.2 version is a lot better, just use UE HDR

[jagged portal]

Rewritten the tonemapper. It's using proper ACES now

[hasty loom]

doesn't the game have luts?

[jagged portal]

It does

[hasty loom]

despite the highlight blowout, contrast is very different #1365094340355035167 message

UE HDR has lifted blacks

noticeable here

[jagged portal]

Musa has rewritten UE's ACES, I'm using that

Which should fix all UE's HDR issues

[hasty loom]

that only works if every section of game uses the default UE SDR tonemapper values

which is might, but it's flaky

[jagged portal]

It uses the cbuffers

[grim hinge]

I can post pics of how UE filmic blended with ACES looks after I get over the jet lag

[hasty loom]

sure, but the UE default cbuffers are SDR ACES, which means it only works if the SDR path is SDR ACES and not custom values.

might as well just throw out the SDR tonemapper

if you're banking on the SDR tonemapper being ACES SDR, then just use ACES SDR

the only difference is UE's ACES SDR goes to 0 nits

[grim hinge]

It’s using ue filmic blended with midgray corrected aces

[hasty loom]

i am aware

[limber goblet]

it looks like that in SDR too

[hasty loom]

the picture on the left you have labelled as sdr has more contrasted shadows

[limber goblet]

yes, but it looks kinda wrong

[hasty loom]

relative to?

[limber goblet]

SDR

[hasty loom]

itself?

[limber goblet]

the picture on the left is not SDR

it's HDR using SDR Path

[hasty loom]

what's off look like?

er

Vanilla ToneMap in SDR

(because of the 2.2 stuff)

[limber goblet]

sec

this is SDR, reno disabled

[hasty loom]

reno disabled means srgb instead of 2.2

you need Vanilla ToneMap option

[grim hinge]

filmic / filmic aces blend

[hasty loom]

Off the top of my head it's blending sRGB tonemap onto a 2.2 tonemap. And if they're going to blend ACES, just use ACES SDR and upgrade tonemap

[grim hinge]

midtones and shadows are basically entirely from filmic

i could prob just ditch aces and do untonemapped mid gray corrected for blending instead

[hasty loom]

scene lacks deep blacks to compare right. there's 2.2 to consider here

[grim hinge]

its the LUTs

i can do lut scaling and it looks the same

actually i have lut scaling disabled with vanilla anyway

i can do the main menu but the flashing lights make screenshots annoying to line up

[hasty loom]

i'll try to push the graph thing tonight

FG is finished

So can go back to whatever I was doing before

[grim hinge]

but from what I've played so far, its identical in midtones and shadows

[merry ermine]

does the framegen fix require an updated mod or is it updated reshade?

or both

[limber goblet]

ACES+Filmic blend / Vanilla

[hasty loom]

Both

[limber goblet]

@haughty dirge This preset looks "perfect" imo, the extra highlight saturation is needed

[grim hinge]

If you set the black clip override to off, 2.2 gamma correction to per channel, tonemap scaling to per channel, and lut scaling off it should match SDR

That’s what I did in those pics

But I default to 2.2 gamma correction by luminance, tonemap scaling by luminance, and lut scaling on

[limber goblet]

those settings are disabled in this mod tho

I mean that we can't adjust them

except scaling

but the game looks good with the 3.2 version of the mod imo

[trim anchor]

so

I'm guessing the desaturation wasn't a bug?

[limber goblet]

the game with SDR path looks wrong, it's definitely "bugged"

[trim anchor]

ah damn

so what are you using to enable unreal hdr

ue4ss?

[limber goblet]

engine.ini

lol

[trim anchor]

alright I'll try it later today I guess

[limber goblet]

[SystemSettings]
r.AllowHDR=1
r.HDR.EnableHDROutput=1
r.HDR.Display.OutputDevice=3
r.HDR.Display.ColorGamut=2
r.HDR.UI.CompositeMode=1

[trim anchor]

that is a lot

is r.HDR.EnableHDROutput not enough?

[limber goblet]

maybe

this is pretty standard tho #1365094340355035167 message

[trim anchor]

alright

gives me an excuse to see if I can hold 116fps with frame gen

[limber goblet]

haha

yea I tested it too

[trim anchor]

do you get a decent boost with frame gen?

[limber goblet]

I was limiting my FPS to 60

the GPU usage was around 70% avg

it holds ~115 fps now and the GPU usage is the same

[trim anchor]

nice

rn I'm using ultra+ max settings, dlss balanced and a 60fps cap

4k output

[merry ermine]

the mod sets it for you

[trim anchor]

renodx does?

[merry ermine]

yeah

[trim anchor]

wow

[merry ermine]

you just set the method to unreal hdr and restart

[limber goblet]

really? because I had to manually add the ini edits for HDR to work

[limber goblet]

that did not work for me :/

[merry ermine]

weird

[trim anchor]

I'll check if it works for me in about 5 minutes

[limber goblet]

[ConsoleVariables]
r.HDR.EnableHDROutput=1
this is pasted into the engine.ini

but it doesn't work

[merry ermine]

[limber goblet]

😄

[trim anchor]

Jon do you have anything else installed

or just renodx

[merry ermine]

lyall fix and renodx

I also use SK

[limber goblet]

I use ClairFix + ReShade + Reno + U+ + SK

so yea

lol

[trim anchor]

ok

[merry ermine]

oh and U+

[trim anchor]

never mind

[merry ermine]

forgor

[trim anchor]

risky stuff

[limber goblet]

no real issues

[trim anchor]

I did not want to add sk into the mix

[limber goblet]

I don't inject anything with SK so everything works

[merry ermine]

SK works fine if reshade is dxgi.dll

[trim anchor]

ever since kal stopped working on renodx compatibility

[limber goblet]

it works fine

[trim anchor]

I'm good

rtss gives stable frame times so I don't have much of a reason to use sk

[limber goblet]

peace native frames is a good feature in SK

for FG

[trim anchor]

yea, but I barely ever use frame gen

the one time i used pace native frames the game just blew up

(wuwa not exp 33)

[merry ermine]

I wonder if this is related to the issue many have in wuchang with ue hdr not working...

[limber goblet]

yea hmm, I have to do the same in wuchang too

[jagged portal]

Once we get the FG fix then we can finally remove this HDR ini stuff

[merry ermine]

do you have any other overlays at all?

[limber goblet]

in wuchang?

[merry ermine]

or here

[limber goblet]

I use optiscaler in wuchang

[merry ermine]

like nvidia overlay, rtss, etc

[limber goblet]

nah no

I hate overlays

I mean I use RTSS from time to time or intel presentmon

but I don't use overlays with SK

[summer folio]

Wuchang issue was a game file forcing enablehdroutput 0 at launch under certain conditions

[merry ermine]

Do we know what those conditions are?

[trim anchor]

I'm back

[summer folio]

Not 100% sure since uasset code is hard to read without context but it's fixed and bundled together with the u+ fg fix

[trim anchor]

although the frame pacing with reflex's limiter is poor

but 116fps does genuinely seem doable

would just need sk's pace native frames

[hasty loom]

already part of the dlssfg fix.

since reshade won't draw on dlss frames anymore, so any frame limitter would be native

[slow forum]

Any ? Can't limit post FG if using that upcoming Reshade ?

That would suck imo for when in menus without FG running, makes inputs way less responsive

[jagged portal]

New reshade hooks before FG, so it limits the native frames

[haughty dirge]

ah - yes thats the only path ive tried/have been using, so at least that clears that up. now ill try to restrain myself and read the msgs from overnight instead of responding to everything that has already been discussed two comments lower lmao

[haughty dirge]

only had a very quick look literally just now but love it - ty mate

[haughty dirge]

@limber goblet fyi gents, ritsu's newest mods will do this by itself - you dont need to edit your engine.ini at all. just boot the game, toggle the SDR or HDR path option to HDR, restart the game, done 🙂

[haughty dirge]

samesies - i dunno if this is a thing or not, but its been a long while since ive had any issues (unless FG related - but those are also gone in newest mods); and this is the stack of stuff i run for pretty much ever SP game (cc @trim anchor - if you havent tried it in a while, using all of these together "just works" these days)

[trim anchor]

it wasn't forking for mpaul

the renodx cvars work on both of my machines though

[haughty dirge]

yeah i saw in later comments, i have a bad habit of not being able to restrain myself to respond before catching up on the full convo 😅

i wonder if his ini was read only for some reason?

maybe bc of other custom cvars in it? though i doubt that's the sort of thing he would get tripped up by

does seem rather weird/random

[slow forum]

I get that if the limiter is Reshade based but ShortFuse said any, I don't get how/why but I hope it's not applicable to any at all

[limber goblet]

yea, but editing the engine.ini manually works, so it's fine

[prisma lava]

Is this needed on top of renodx to have hdr work correctly?

[limber goblet]

it should work without editing the engine.ini file

but if it doesnt then yes

switch to UE HDR and restart the game to test it

[prisma lava]

gotcha yeah it works with UE HDR already but wasnt sure what else thats doing that might be needed

[trim anchor]

unreal's limiter sucks though

[limber goblet]

I use SK's

[plucky finch]

It does, but in some games it's the only way to get camera/animations to play out correctly

[merry ermine]

Unreal limiter also has goofy low input lag. Better than uncapped most of the time.

[grizzled jackal]

In engine limiters are usually the best way input lag wise

Frametimes / pacing is another story I guess

[merry ermine]

Yeah it’s ass in that regard. Works well if your vsynced at 60 though.

[spare crag]

I think it's a general UE thing. In clair obscur I found turning on UE limiter helped with some stutters when travelling fast through the overworld. Currently doubled up with UE limiter + NVIDIA limiter and VRR.

Using UE limiter also helps tons with Jedi Survivor, but that game you need to add it in the ini. I also doubled up with Vsync instead because game is too stuttery for VRR.

[trim anchor]

I tried doubling up in this

it still stuttered

[buoyant falcon]

theres no way to get rid of traversal stutter

the ue limiter fixes camera/animations stutters

[grim hinge]

does the fixed timestep stuff help

people were doing that in silent hill 2

[buoyant falcon]

it is and you actually dont need fixed delta time at 30 fps

in game fps limiter + vsync gets rid of camera/animations stutters

though silent hill 2 has traversal stutters which cant be fixed

silent hill 2 only provides limiter up to 60 fps though

iirc @regal pivot tested how that works in silent hill 2

[trim anchor]

nah I mean

if I pan the camera around

with ue limiter it stutters a lot

with rtss it does not

[buoyant falcon]

you need vsync + ue limiter + no vrr

one of them only wont work

[regal pivot]

Yea that works, the problem with SH2 is that the cutscenes are capped at 30 with the UE limiter and they look horrible with vsync'd 60

If you use the unlock fps mod it strips out the entire UE fps limiter

I tried a UE4SS script to always force some value for it, but during cutscenes it gets set to 30 every single frame

[spare crag]

Correct, but in clair obscur doubling up with it improved them significantly. Maybe at cost of extra latency, idk just a guess

[grizzled jackal]

Did they fuck something up in Clair Obscur in a later patch? I had like basically no stutter in that game only very rarely when I 100%‘d it in the First 2 weeks after release

And I only capped with RTSS + Gsync and Vsync in NVCP

[spare crag]

It's not from the latest patch.
Traversal stutter for me was only when moving fast across the overworld. Occasional skipped frame.

[grizzled jackal]

I also mainly had it while flying max speed in the overworld but didn’t really bother me

[trim anchor]

rip

[wide mortar]

hey not sure how active this channel is, i just downloaded reshade + renodx for this game and im having some problems

im running default settings but my shadows look very grainy

and my cutscenes are doing this

[jagged portal]

That's a weird bug, no idea

[wide mortar]

i am an anomaly, i manage to break even the most foolproof of things

[limber goblet]

What Reshade version and active shaders are you using? What is your GPU vendor and driver version?

[wide mortar]

actually i reset reshade, redid windows hdr calibration, and restarted the game and it seems to be working alright now

obviously not perfect representation since phone pic, but seems to look okay. cutscenes arent all artifacty now either

[wide mortar]

hm one thing i am noticing

im getting like a solid 2-3 second stutter before entering combat

like entire game freezes for 2-3 sec and then combat starts

[hybrid wind]

Are you using Ultra+?

If I remember correctly, it comes from it

I got used to it lol

[wide mortar]

ah yeah i am

[hybrid wind]

[trim anchor]

oh

[merry ermine]

I had no clue that’s what was causing it

Damn, might get rid of ultra+ when I boot it up again

[trim anchor]

yea its tempting now

[hybrid wind]

Nah bruh, keep it

[merry ermine]

You underestimate the fragility of my attention span.

[haughty dirge]

defs keep it

the entering combat stutter comes mostly from the "reduce settings during combat" option which you defs want, unless you want your combat FPS to take a much greater hit than rest of game

with that option off ive not noticed a noticeable stutter entering combat - seems v much related to U+ changing a whole bunch of settings before the combat loads

2-3 secs sounds a bit more extreme than what im getting but imho would still be worth it 🤷‍♂️

[trim anchor]

ah cool

screw it I have some headroom

[limber goblet]

it's just a 1-2 seconds black screen

before entering combat

it's a non issue imo

[merry ermine]

makes me want to avoid combat lol

I am devastatingly sensitive to mental stalls in games. I barely like turn based games in general because of the numerous pockets of waiting.

[limber goblet]

oh lol

[limber goblet]

You are not a huge fan of poker then I guess haha 😄

or chess

[merry ermine]

as long as there's enough to think about I'm fine

what I don't like is knowing what I'm going to do and waiting for an action to play out

what kills me in turn based games is all those little pockets of time adding up when engaging with the riff raff

I've always assumed it was an ADHD thing lol

[limber goblet]

ahh I see

[trim anchor]

it just makes the game feel less polished

usually you'd expect it to smoothly transition into combat

but it takes too long and looks unintended

takes you out of the experience a bit

[limber goblet]

I mean it depends

if the black screen is longer than 1-2 seconds then yea

[trim anchor]

its long enough to where it feels like something is wrong

[wide mortar]

it just feels less immersive for sure

doing the first strike thing on an enemy and then the game just freezing

feels weird

[wide mortar]

where do i go to disable this? is this in reshade?

[trim anchor]

you can disable it in the ultra+ ini

[wide mortar]

ok so my dumbass is not actually using ultra+

i got it confused with unreal HDR

(i dont mod or do hdr stuff)

i guess that is not the cause (for me)

any other ideas?

[wide mortar]

oh another thing

im not sure if this is a renodx issue or just a clair issue

sometimes the lighting changes REALLY abruptly

like these two images were taken about 2 feet apart

[haughty dirge]

(cc @limber goblet) i guess its never bothered me enough to actually take notice of how long the black screen is - i assume significantly less than 3 secs as that seems super noticeable - or maybe i am just that insensitive to this particular issue

[limber goblet]

that’s probalby the LUT changing

[wide mortar]

Got any other ideas on what would cause it, I'm actually not using ultra+. Also for me it's not a black screen, it's more of a 2-3 second freeze frame

[haughty dirge]

sorry, dont really have any other ideas. tbh i barely played the game without U+. once id played like 30 mins and realised i was actually gonna keep playing this game, i just waited it out till we had a good version of U+ bc the vanilla graphics were really pulling me out of the experience. in U+'s case the extra little wait entering and exiting battles makes sense to me bc a whole bunch of gfx quality cvars are being changed for things that youre unlikely to notice during battle but gives you back a fair amount of performance. struggling to think of what would be causing that freeze/delay in the vanilla game, but also mindful that i basically only played the tutorial fight in vanilla lmao so no real idea what vanilla behaves like

[wide mortar]

Fair enough, what's the performance impact like of u+?

[haughty dirge]

the game does have a stylistic flourish where when you enter combat - whether thats bc an enemy bumps into you or you attack them first - it kinda goes into slow mo that starts very subtle but ramps up incredibly quickly to like 0.1x speed over the course of like a second

it can be a bit jarring but i dont recall it ending in like, an actual freeze frame

[wide mortar]

Yeah i played several hours in vanilla and it definitely didn't do what my game is doing

[haughty dirge]

its real easy to get the wrong impression from U+ bc if you dial everything up you can easily destroy even a 5090

just as a starting point, its worth noting that the lowest U+ settings/its most performance oriented settings are still higher than the game's ultra settings in most areas

[wide mortar]

I'm getting like 210 fps average atm on my current setup in 4k (with 2x fg)

[haughty dirge]

with brooooadly comparable to vanilla performance - just bc the devs made some real insane choices for their default settings

if youve got the headroom after that, dial up whatever area of image quality matters to you most

but yah i feel like i always have to start with that caveat bc (and tbh the name "Ultra Plus" doesnt help xD) peeps assume they need to max out its settings to make the mod worth it, which will make the game unplayable on basically every PC in existence

the goal is usually to provide a comparable to vanilla performance experience with improved visuals, and then give peeps who have perf headroom the ability to push a bunch of stuff up higher

iirc the U+ page for COE on Nexus actually does have a pretty good/specific guide about the performance impact of its various settings and how they compare to vanilla

[limber goblet]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Fojt4b0g5Cg?si=QuSXKTYcTfzO-r7G this is normal

the beginning of the video is how entering combat "should" look like

that freeze there is normal

or I guess it depends on your hardware

it can be shorter/longer

[wide mortar]

OK so the part where it "freezes" and the screen kinda warps

Mine just actually freezes

Audio cuts out and everything

I have 5090 + 9800x3d

[limber goblet]

strange

[wide mortar]

It's not game breaking or experience ruining or anything just feels strange

[haughty dirge]

ok this is how i remembered it too

[haughty dirge]

v weird

but if ive learned anything this year

every single issue with any game that wasnt like, an obviously broken or outdated mod

has been fully resolvable by either rolling back or clean installing NV drivers

[limber goblet]

some people enable rebar in the global profile too

[haughty dirge]

i dunno wtf they are doing over there, its like they just handed driver development over from a competent team of programmers to a bunch of literal monkeys overnight

[limber goblet]

which can cause all kinds of issues

[haughty dirge]

yeah i like to do that - the impact while never transformative has almost always been either positive or neutral in the games i play (which is a tiny sample size for sure)

im not doing that any more just bc...

everything is so fucky with the current gen drivers i just dont wanna introduce any chance of more fuckiness

[limber goblet]

using DDU is no longer optional

the 580.88 driver is stable so far

win 24H2 ca nalso cause all kind of issues too haha

[somber pebble]

Been on holiday for a few weeks and feel like I'm completely out of the loop. Is this FG fix I've read here (I know it's now in UE 5.5 branch right? Which would be included in Chronos and Silent Hill F?) supposed to added to reshade? or to reno?

[wide mortar]

looks like i might have to stop using either renodx or clairobscurfix

game is getting buggier the further i get

started with minor artifacting

now massive artifacting

shadows flickering

crashes on zone change

like what am i looking at

cant even go into next zone

insta crashes my game xD

[wide mortar]

ok i cant even get in game now

[trim anchor]

driver issue

577 is apparently fine

[wide mortar]

o rip

ill wait until fixed then

[trim anchor]

can't rollback or smth?

[wide mortar]

well i can but

i plan on playing borderlands 4 and dying light the beast in the next bit

so i would like to be able to use the day 1 drivers for those

since perf is already looking rough based on sys reqs

i guess after i finish those games i can roll back and play

im in no rush

[limber goblet]

this look like a clairobscurefix issue

try the v0.9 version of the mod

[wide mortar]

ill try this when i get home from work, thanks

[strong shale]

for some reason the frametimes become very unstable whenever im in a dark area. this is causing some very distracting oled vrr flicker and is forcing me to play with gsync disabled. its happening even without reshade enabled. anybody else having this issue or know a fix?

[haughty dirge]

ive had this exact issue - the visual artefacts and the fatal error - its some corrupt cache thing in recent nvidia drivers. if youre determined to stay on the latest version you'll need to DDU to fresh install it. imho the easier/quicker method is to just use nvcleaninstall to roll back to 577.x 👍

[haughty dirge]

defs try this first bc changing a mod is quicker than downgrading a driver - and i think theres quite a few peeps like MPaul (myself included) who've found v0.9 to be the best/most stable/most "compatible" version of clairobscur fix. that having been said - the screenshot you showed - i had that identical graphical issue and the same fatal error crashes and rolling back to 577.x fixed it immediately

so imho its worth trying the older version of clairobscurfix, but i wouldnt waste hours trying to troubleshoot mods like i did bc it was none of their fault in the end - just NV drivers NV drivering 🤷‍♂️ 🙃

[wide mortar]

pretty sure youre right

im noticing that i think its actually briefly crashing my entire display driver

The description for Event ID 153 from source nvlddmkm cannot be found. Either the component that raises this event is not installed on your local computer or the installation is corrupted. You can install or repair the component on the local computer.

If the event originated on another computer, the display information had to be saved with the event.

The following information was included with the event:

\Device\00000146
Error occurred on GPUID: 100

The message resource is present but the message was not found in the message table

i cba to DDU atm and im not having issues in any other game

i need to do a full windows reinstall in the near future anyways, ill do it then

[haughty dirge]

honestly i cbf either - you can do an nvcleaninstall downgrade in probs 2-3 mins and that'll be sufficient. you launch it from normal desktop, it lets you pick the driver, then the normal install process just runs, then one restart and youre done - just like any other normal driver install, no safe mode etc shenanigans required https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/

[haughty dirge]

and once again - yep same thing i had

[wide mortar]

yeah im gonna be playing borderlands 4 on thurs so im gonna want to use the day 1 drivers for that

[haughty dirge]

fair enough 👍 if youre only having issues with COE33 then i get it. in my case it "started" with COE33 just bc thats what i was playing most at the time but within a few days of playing, it happened to basically any UE5 game i had

so i didnt have the luxury of cbf - luckily the nvcleaninstall downgrade was good enough bc if i had to DDU i probs wouldve just gone... meh, im fine not to game for a while xD

[wide mortar]

interesting

i actually just did an entire playthrough of remnant 2 lol

like finished yesterday, UE5 game

0 problems at all

[haughty dirge]

yeah interesting - i guess it really isnt fair/accurate for me to say "any" UE5 game bc who knows what specified property causes this issue - maybe its just a couple of titles and theyre the ones i happened to be playing at the time 🤷‍♂️

[limber goblet]

weird

but I had to use DDU too

the 580.88 driver seems to work fine now

[dusk pulsar]

Hey folks - hope this is the right place for this. I was looking for help in the RenoDX discord, but this looks like it might be more targeted...

I'm a new user to RenoDX, trying to get the HDR mod for Expedition 33 to work.

When I run it, the colors get very white and washed out across the board. Not like a matter of personal taste, more like something has objectively gone wrong.

I did some digging, and found that when running the game with RenoDX (and only then), an Engine.ini file is automatically created, with a single entry:

[ConsoleVariables]
r.HDR.EnableHDROutput=1

If I delete the config, the game actually looks great, and I can even adjust the sliders for the mod in-game and see changes in visuals. But then upon closing the game the file seems to be re-created, and the next time I launch the problem is back.

Is this user-error on my part somehow? I don't see many other folks reporting this issue. There's a recent comment on Mod Nexus of someone saying something kind of similar, but their problem doesn't seem entirely the same. (comment timestamp 09 Sep 2025, 1:13PM https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/6?tab=posts

[dusk pulsar]

Well nevermind! For those who come after, the trick was disabling driver-level RTX HDR flags in Nvidia Profile Inspector.

I thought they would be superceded by active RenoDX, but apparently not.

[zealous juniper]

I used the RenoDRT tone mapper last time I played, but it doesn’t seem to be in the newest version. Which one should I use now? Sorry, I’m not super knowledgeable about HDR stuff lmao

[limber goblet]

These are the settings I use:

Aces + UE Filmic Blend = Old RenoDRT

[zealous juniper]

Cool, thanks! Also, any reason for me to use Unreal HDR if I don’t use FG?

[limber goblet]

Nope

[hybrid wind]

There’s also no reason not to use this new method, either

[trim anchor]

wait

what about the one bug

or the performance hit

[limber goblet]

✅RenoDX: Clair Obscur - Expedition 33

[trim sandal]

having a hell of a time getting this working, lots of flickering in the skies or intense cutscene stuttering

any ideas?

[trim anchor]

downgrade your driver

[median crane]

any difference between the snapshot in github and the nexus version?

[trim anchor]

yes

[sonic scarab]

whats the difference?

[trim anchor]

snapshot has the latest mainline renodx changes merged

[dreamy depot]

None of the sliders work in the mod for me. Only UI brightness makes a difference, not exposure, highlight or game brightness.
Why isn't it working?

[jagged portal]

Send a full screenshot of that tab

[carmine onyx]

are you ingame or are you in the main menu ?

[dreamy depot]

I'm at the beginning of the game. Some one explained I need to open the party menu to see the changes, but I don't have access to it yet. But settings seems to be working if I reload a save but adjusting sliders won't update in realtime and I got it explained that the changes to UE5 causes them to not work in realtime.

[dreamy depot]

It seems the cutscenes with RenoDX uses the UI brightness rather than the game setting. Thus looking very dim in comparison. Is it possible to fix this?

[carmine onyx]

ingame cutscenes or FMV

[dreamy depot]

I believe ingame, realtime cutscenes. I just arrived at the islan and the expedition being attacked and at first I thought it was FMW but I do play at 120fps and it's clear it's 120fps, so no FMW.

[carmine onyx]

Oh Well idk

Help ritsu

[south urchin]

Slider work when changes from main menu
When expedition was attacked first i had changed gustav hair and clothes but in cutscene default was loaded

[frosty slate]

Should i change flare and blowout from zero ?

[limber goblet]

no need to use flare, but highlights with Blowout 1-10 look better imo

you should also increase highlight saturation by 5-10

[carmine onyx]

does the mod have an hdr look preset ?

[jagged portal]

No

[jagged portal]

Moved to https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1410855640112566375/threads/1425391769335496816/1425391769335496816

[lucid drum]

@limber goblet hey dude.
Modding claire for the first time.

So i got a 5090 and want to get the best clarity. Running on a LG OLED. Is renoDX all I need? Or do you recommend any other mod on nexus.

I want to use DLAA, do I need a swap chain?

[south urchin]

Ultra+

[lucid drum]

Alongside reno?

[south urchin]

Yes
https://discord.com/channels/1296187754979528747/1370218900247285790

[lucid drum]

Ty.

[lucid drum]

@limber goblet @dusk pulsar Hey guys, about to get RENOXD. What is this "swap chain?" Im gonna be using DLSS quality, do I need this swap chain? where do I get it? author isnt specific.

[lucid drum]

@dreamy depot dude

im having same issues

RenoXD isnt doing fuck all

this mod is fucking ass lol?

using Ultra+

[trim anchor]

works on my machine

[thin pike]

Waiting for the 350nits monitor or improper installation

[lucid drum]

Improper installation?

Its not that hard lol

Reshade menu opens, its not hooking to game

Unless this mod is incompatible with Ultra+

If it is, then idk what to say. Mod aint working lol

Reshade does tho! So must be reno

Only thing that changes brightness is the UI setting on overlay...which makes no sense.

Wait....

@thin pike im gonna laugh if I fucked this up. Is it steam exe or sandfall?

[snow sleet]

sandfall win64 shipping

[lucid drum]

I fucked that up