✅RenoDX: Clair Obscur - Expedition 33

[haughty dirge]

bc youre right - no actual issue or complaint here - just curiousity i spose 😛

[fleet storm]

Curious of what you gave change on you Ultra+ ini. I'm stock now and If you know what i news to look i'm good. 🙂

[haughty dirge]

sorry mate, it might just be bc im severely sleep deprived, but i dont quite get your message 😅

basically my "issue" was/is that turning on the skin and lighting enhancements in U+ makes a pretty positive difference to how peeps look in the game imho, but in combination with Reno it does cause face/skin colours to change a little bit

but like MPaul said - not really in a bad way that needs to be fixed - just looks a bit diff vs vanilla

[fleet storm]

No, it's my bad English writing 😂 I'm discovering the ultra+ mods. I was wondering if you had any advice on things to change in the ultra+ configuration ini to further improve the rendering. Mine is all default.

It's beautiful but maybe I can have MORE 😂

[haughty dirge]

haha - dw - im deeply familiar with that feeling. lemme just have a quick look what the U+ defaults actually are vs what ive changed

[vale ivy]

Hi guys, could you help with something? Sorry if i post in the wrong place
When using specialk and renodx I get weird borders on top and left in expediton33. Using just renodx — no problems. Don’t remember if I tried just specialK, but I think I did and there were no problems either.

I remember having the same problem in some other game, I think lords of the fallen (also ue5)

Couldn’t google anything, do you guys know any fixes?

The borders are not constant, they do disappear sometimes, and sometimes get crazy bright

[haughty dirge]

Additional things you can do for MOAR BUUUUTIFUL - you just gotta see if the performance impact is worth it for you:

• download the optional 4K FMV cutscenes and 4K FMV cutscenes fix add-ons from the mod's Nexus page (and install version 0.9 of Lyall's ClairObscurFix for improved playback of prerendered cinematics) - should have very little performance impact but the prerendered cutscens look quite a lot better

• set BetterReflectionSDFs = on (pretty noticeable image quality improvement with not massive FPS hit)

• Denoiser = rayreconstruction if you have an Nvidia GPU and have the performance headroom (this is one of the more significant ones from a perf perspective, have not directly compared FPS myself but others have reported like a 15% impact iirc - visual difference is worth it imho)

• ExtendedShadowQuality = insane (if performance impact is worth it to you)

• LightingDownsampleFactorOverride = x16 (definitely don't go to x8; game will be a slideshow haha)

• LightingQuality = epic

• LightingUpdateSpeed = high (another one with noticeable performance impact but eliminates a lot of software lumen artefacts that bother me)

• ReflectionQuality = ultra

• Render4K_FMVs = on (if you install those add-ons)

[fleet storm]

Thanks! I was ready for the bed, Now i'm ready to tweak ❤️‍🔥

Let me see that

[haughty dirge]

Story of mAh laif

Ergo why sleep deprived lmao

[haughty dirge]

Are you using DLAA by any chance?

[vale ivy]

No, dlss quality

[haughty dirge]

Not sure then sorry - just know DLAA was causing a bunch of weird issues for peeps

[modest cipher]

Hi guys I have a problem. How to stop renodx hdr working in a right way. The circumstance is I have 2 monitors，one of them support hdr lovely and another don't, I usually shift between these 2. But when I want to run the game in sdr, switching to off or vanilla still looks blown out. I have to disable addon in reshade, then it becomes normal. But that need restart of the game. So I wondered what off and vanilla option do if they can't restore to the original state.

[grim hinge]

sdr monitors can display scrgb

its backwards compatible with srgb

you just have to set ui, game, and peak brightness all to 80

and you have to set gamma correction to off if using a 2.2 display

[modest cipher]

Your settings work well for sdr! Still a few questions, should Peak Brightness be set to my monitor's maximum instead of 80? And I didn't see gamma option. Do this method work for every game using renodx?

[grim hinge]

afaik it works for games that use scrgb and not hdr10. Though if you have an hdr and sdr monitor connected to windows at the same time idk if that changes things. if there's no gamma correction toggle that would mean it's double applying gamma correction. You could use the generic unreal engine mod which has some extra sliders such as gamma correction, though sliders don't apply in real time (i think you either need to pause the game or open the settings menu when you move a slider for it to apply)

[modest cipher]

OK I understand that closing the addon probably the best to display for sdr. I'm using two monitors just because ar glass enable me lying down to rescue my spine. Hope the ar glass with hdr mode be invented someday lol.

[modest cipher]

Thanks, I'll find out how to write a script to enable and disable the mod

[modest cipher]

Oh I got it, or alternatively just replace the Reshade.ini file

@sonic crown

[modest cipher]

And we can use hotkey with .bat to automatically open windows hdr

[hasty loom]

There's an Add-on tab on Reshade, but I just rename the addon to addon64x when I'm testing

[lost egret]

no clue if this is a renodx bug or a UE5/Game specific bug, the lighting changes drastically between DLAA and other presets.

[latent pumice]

DLAA is bugged in this game, more specifically upscaling above 75% of 4k breaks the lighting-there are a couple options

1. Use Ultra Plus mod and enable the DLAA Fix
2. Set 'DLSS Override - Super Resolution' to 75% in the NVIDIA app
3. Just use Quality mode

[lost egret]

That answers everything, appreciate the help

[haughty dirge]

I seem to be having the same issue in terms of what it does to the game's visuals when using a custom 41% DLSS scale thru nvpi

Very odd as I don't think I've seen a single person with that issue beyond myself

Or is this one of those Reno mods that does weird stuff at weird resolutions? iirc that has been an issue in the past

[latent pumice]

Weird. I've experimented with a slew of different custom Preset J scales and haven't had that issue.

[haughty dirge]

i might just nuke the shader cache, start over stock, restore my Reno and U+ setups

iirc i had some wierd visual thing near launch as well that resolved after deleting the shaders

[grizzled nymph]

Having this weird issue with the game reverting back to DLAA evert time after a cutscene, new area or fight. Menu still showing the correct preset but fps doesn't shoot back up until i got back to the menu and apply again,. Been doing this my entire play session today. 😭 Using Reno, UI+ and puredark framegen mod. I figured it was the framegen mod its still doing it without the mod.

Anyone know what this could be?

[grizzled nymph]

^Disregard. It was the Ultra + option to lower setting when in battle that messed up DLSS in an out of battle. All good now and smooth as butter

[haughty dirge]

are you having the issue if you use the lower battle settings but leave ray reconstruction alone option?

or just with reduce battle settings and turn off rr

the former has always worked perfectly for me, the latter (turning rr off and back on after battle) can have a pretty massive perf impact but wasnt terribly stable for me

[supple pasture]

Does the addon still need the custom rehade dll? I've updated to 6.5.1 because I saw the udate notice in-game... and it seems to be working just fine so far.

[jagged portal]

No

[weak shore]

weird bug, what could be the reason of this ?

[haughty dirge]

(1) no idea wtf is happening there haha, (2) glad a game reboot fixed it, (3) i find with UE5 games in general, but with COE33 especially, almost every visual issue ive encountered has been solved by deleting the game's shader cache and letting it rebuild while having whatever version of third party mods youre injecting running

[somber pebble]

I quit using RR because in this game, during cutscenes when changing cameras it shows this weird black and white pattern for a millisecond. It sucks

[slow forum]

RR preset E sucks all around imo.. in Cyberpunk the sky is permanently "gridded" like that

[somber pebble]

jfc

[haughty dirge]

its defs not anywhere near that bad in COE33 - there just are still clear trade off, hopefully the transformer model stuff will eventually get to a (SR) preset E type sitch where theres just "the best one" across the board

I still use RR preset E in COE33 bc on balance imho the things it improves i notice more than the things it worsens

but if some of those artefacs are particularly galling to you, then yeah, go with D

or stick to temporal - which tbh looks a lot better with U+ doing all its other stuff than in the vanilla game

[somber pebble]

mega necro. But J is a transformers model as well right? I noticed hair looked pretty bad with K. Might give J a go, or E

[safe jackal]

yes

[haughty dirge]

fwiw i prefer J over K in COE33, specifically bc of the difference it makes re hair - but as always peeps are probs sensitive to different artefacts, so im sure there are ones that will prefer K

where ive landed in terms of a best looking combo (accounting for which kinds of artefacts bother me less or more) is SR preset J and RR preset E - both have their own downsides, but SR=J bc hair and RR=E bc lumen noise in reflections

people that are less bothered by the artefacts that combo solves for me may prefer something different - I know over on the U+ Discord a fair amount of users seem to prefer K for this game - the hair thing just bothers me too much

similarly adding ray reconstruction and using its preset E introduces its own/new visual artefacts, but basically entirely solves lumen noise, which i cannot stand to a degree that makes the trade off worth it 🤷‍♂️

[somber pebble]

Does this induce those "checkerboard" patterns on cutscenes during camera transitions?

[haughty dirge]

nope not getting those - but have seen plenty of others mentioning them. my anecdotal feeling is that the transformer model stuff seems more sensitive to how different variables combine, if that makes sense? like between SR preset, RR preset, DLL version, internal res, output res, etc. there are so many variables and ive found/it seems like to me at least, that some of that huge number of diff combinations can produce artefacts that a different combo might not* 🤷‍♂️

[somber pebble]

yeah, I am using the latest DLLs. 4K DLSS Q

and Ultra + as well + reno ofc

[gaunt hearth]

is there a place I can see how much Ultra+ changes the game visuals? This game goes heavy on a certain art style and I really don't want the developers vision to be completely thrown away just to have some graphical upgrades

[somber pebble]

on their discord https://discord.gg/U5hG7TKS

It vastly improves the base game IMHO. Highly recommend U+ for every game they work on.

[limber goblet]

U+ does not change the visual style. You have to option to disable/reduce fog, but that’s it basically.

[gaunt hearth]

I'll try it when I upgrade my GPU in 2 years

[grizzled pulsar]

I don't know why, but U+ just almost melted my GPU during cutscenes in this game. I had them unlocked with Lyall's mod, and my undervolted 4090 went crazy warm whenever the in-game cutscenes rendered with this mod. It wasn't even pulling more power than usual but the temps were wild

I'm curious what the mod actually does to the cutscenes

[somber pebble]

it does improve LODs + skin subsurface scattering, lightning a bit as well

Ah ok, you were responding to particular settings that change the "visual intent"

[haughty dirge]

Honestly the U+ team kinda screwed themselves with that name because it doesn't rly encompass what their mod does

You can get visual improvements and some of the fixes while keeping your performance similar - it's not just for ultra level PCs, you don't need to crank every setting to epic or insane

I understand the name implies otherwise but yah - just so you are aware if you do wanna give it a try 😅

[haughty dirge]

im using 310.2.1 rather than the latest (310.3), as the .3 one has been causing me some serious issues, tho i havent seen anyone else report that, so im leaning towards i fked up smthn with the config of my system. 4K output res (HDMI to TV) from 1080p internal (DLSS SR performance, preset J along with with DLSS RR preset E). got a nice combo of Ultra Plus + RenoDX + SpecialK stacked on there for good measure 😅 as well as Lyall's fix - importantly have stayed with Lyall's fix 0.9 as every version after has caused me issues - but I'm also not using an ultrawide monitor so dont need most of the features his fix is for

but some games look amazing in 21:9 (examples off the top of my head - Death Stranding, SW Outlaws), even if that means im actually losing the use of the top and bottom parts of my TV panel, i sit close enough that it doesnt impede my ability to see stuff properly and have encountered visual oddities are much more common on my set up at least when I start messing around with DLSS when not playing at my native output res

transformer model specifically - just seems a bit less robust/resilient in that regard than the previous CNN models

[minor fern]

What issues with 3.10.3 did you experience?

[sonic scarab]

Wait there is a 3.10.3 DLL now?

What game uses that?

[fiery orchid]

none atm

it's just released on github

[sonic scarab]

oh might explain why there is debug version of it too

[sonic scarab]

New presets?

[fiery orchid]

nop

only a slight vram usage reduction iirc

[sonic scarab]

Nice. 🙂

[haughty dirge]

super noisey reflections that also flicker

but afaik literally nobody else has reported anything similar so im assuming its something gone wrong on my end

[somber pebble]

in this particular game or overall?

[haughty dirge]

was just in COE33 but - having given it a second go now - the issue is resolved. i guess i shoul follow my own advice more closely, as im always telling others that 99% of issues ive ever encountered with COE33 when something changes - whether DLSS preset, U+ options, RenoDX settings, etc - is deleting the game's shader cache, launching it with the new changes ive made in place so it can rebuild the shader cache under those conditions, and then the errors tend to resolve

which is exactly what ended up happening here - i deleted COE33's shader cache, went baclk to DLSS Swapper to chuck in the newest DLLs for SR and RR - launched game, loaded in, and the visual artefacts i was getting previously are gone

[somber pebble]

Are you using RR as well? I actually stopped using it cause it was causing checkerboard patterns in camera changes during cutscenes, super distracting : l

[haughty dirge]

Yeah RR on preset E and I'm not getting the checker board pattern - at least that's one piece of luck that's gone on my favour 😅

My general sense/experience/anecdotal gut feel is that the transformer models, so far, are an amazing step fwd on many areas but definitely less robust than the last couple of CNN ones

[somber pebble]

ffs whhyyy

[haughty dirge]

I'm coming across way more issues that actually only some peeps have and others don't + whether it's resolution, SR preset, etc etc

It feels like all of these variables can affect the transformer models on a way that wasn't there for cnn of that makes sense?

And to be clear I don't have the technical knowledge to back up that guess - it's just the sense I'm getting having been on both the "I'm having that issue" and the "I'm not having that issue" side

Whereas under CNN, whether F or E etc, of someone pointed out a visual artefact and my initial thought was I don't think I have that, when I then go specifically look for it, yep, it's there

Whereas for the transformer models it seems like a (much much much milder) version of "works fine on my PC" seems to be possible :/

[hallow comet]

Is this games DLAA still broken?

[fiery orchid]

not if you use Ultra Plus

[hallow comet]

Okay ill try that

[supple pasture]

There's a special toggle in U+ for the DLAA fix, it's not out of the box.

I'm running DLSS Quality anyway since the game is quite heavy even on 4080

[hallow comet]

Yeah i do have the ability to read unlike most people

Not an insult to you sorry

[surreal thorn]

Amazing how many don’t

[hallow comet]

Im going to try setting everything to its maximum!

[fiery orchid]

enjoy your 30fps at 4k dlaa then

[hallow comet]

Ill tell you how it goes

Uhh i lost about 100 fps in the main menu tho so

[supple pasture]

Yeah, I didn't mean it that way anyway, just wanted to help 👍

I'm running with an 80 FPS limit (via nvidia app) so my 4080 runs cooler, but it would not perform any better without it anyway at 1440p. I think I have it mostly on the defaults in U+, with denoiser set to ray reconstruction and lighting quality on epic.

[hallow comet]

Ill have you know i get.. 40

[fiery orchid]

not surprising

[hallow comet]

Although the game refuses to output 4k

And instead gives me 3041x1711

[lucid drum]

Should DLAA fix be on "on" or "game"

In ultra plus

[cosmic prairie]

on, if you want to enable it

[lucid drum]

Ever have this issue? Using Reno and Ultra+

Its during a cutscene

Ignore black box lol. Trying to keep it SFW

Wtf is that lol

[hybrid wind]

[cosmic prairie]

not that particular issue.
are you forcing dlss specific options in nvidia profile inspector?
also, it's a good idea to delete your shader cache whenever you change settings in ultra plus or update to a new verison

[lucid drum]

Using DLAA fix for ultra plus

[cosmic prairie]

anything else?

[lucid drum]

Nope

How do I delete shader cache?

[cosmic prairie]

are you using any other mods that change the ini files?

[lucid drum]

Character body mods

Umm

RenoDX and ultra

That's it

[cosmic prairie]

delete the folder %localAppData%\nvidia\DXCache
delete the file Sandfall_PCD3D_SM6.upipelinecache in %localAppData%\sandfall\saved

[lucid drum]

Bomb what's the purpose of this

[cosmic prairie]

it will trigger shader recompilation

[merry ermine]

you're playing clair unobscured

[cosmic prairie]

it that still doesn't fix it then just disable the dlaa fix and force 75% DLSS using nvidia profile inspector revamped. with dlss 4 the difference is modest

[lucid drum]

Ill try

Thanks bomb

[surreal thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/vorzek-vorzneck-oglg-og-lol-gang-gif-24901093

[lucid drum]

@cosmic prairie found the issue

Its Ultra+

[cosmic prairie]

the booba mod?
i mean, it looks like your depth buffer is being rendered at the wrong resolution

[lucid drum]

Hahaha nope!

Its DLAA

The DLAA fix in ultra+ does not work

I set it to "on" and had DLAA on

So turned it off and set AA to TSR

Fixed it.

I knew it had to be something in ultra because Reno is just a fucking simple reshade.

Ultra changes alot visually so it makes sense is suppose?

Either way, found the issue.

[cosmic prairie]

I just don't think DLAA is worth it in this case IMO. DLSS quality at 4k, forcing the newest dll and preset J, looks 95% the same.

[lucid drum]

Do you use ultra too?

Because im pretty sure I saw him mention using ray reconstruction and DLSS 4

[cosmic prairie]

yep

[lucid drum]

So that's what you do...

Jeez.

So I need nvidia inspector revamped to do this stuff then? Don't got it installed

Like if you can't do this stuff im the app that's hilarious

Like Nvidia app.

[cosmic prairie]

https://github.com/xHybred/NvidiaProfileInspectorRevamped/releases/download/v4.4/NVPI-Revamped.zip

no installation needed, just extract and run the app, select the game in the drop-down at the top of the window, make the changes I showed in that screenshot, and save it

and disable the dlaa fix in ultra plus

[lucid drum]

Roger.

@cosmic prairie so that's what you did ^^ the way you explained it makes more sense lol.

But wtf is ray reconstruction? I suppose you cannot have that on plus super res?

[cosmic prairie]

ray reconstruction cleans up noise and artifacts in games using ray tracing. it does come with a performance cost.

if you want to use it, then select preset E in profile inspector, RR = ray reconstruction

[lucid drum]

So selecting E combines ray reconstruction with super resolution?

[cosmic prairie]

it doesn't come with the stock game, so you'll need to download the ray construction dll and stick it in the Clair Obscur - Expedition 33\Sandfall\Plugins\NVIDIA\DLSS\Binaries\ThirdParty folder

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-dlss-3-ray-reconstruction-dll/

[lucid drum]

To confirm.

Disable DLAA fix.
Go in game and use DLSS quality.
Download revamp.
Copy these settings and bam done.

Any other tweaks you do bomb?

Is ray reconstruction worth it in your opinion?

[cosmic prairie]

it's a matter of personal preference imo. it will make reflections and indirect lighting look a lot better. full stop. but it comes with a significant FPS cost, and it messes with some post-processing, which is especially apparent during cutscenes.

i've played it both ways, but ultimately decided to disable it.

my ultra plus settings.

[lucid drum]

Do I just open that and copy setting s manually?

[cosmic prairie]

sure. it's just my personal preferences. even keeping the settings 100% default will look good.

[lucid drum]

Meaning I thought I could place that and it would load what you got 🙂

Well its weird because I use Renox and have 2 presets. Default and my own and man...

I think default is meh

Like....bad bad.

But to be fair, I dont have ultra configured properly.

I need to do your revamp settings.

For DLSS then go from there.

When im back on tomorrow I'll show you pics but even sharpening dude..im not a fan, but having it off makes the background blurry

Also you have your DLSS fix set to game

[cosmic prairie]

game and off are the same in this instance

[lucid drum]

Rgr. Last question before I go to sleep

Can I plop your config anywhere so it loads?

Then I can change from your config

[cosmic prairie]

save it in the directory with the game's exe and replace the old one

[lucid drum]

Siiick

Alright thanks Bomb

Ill do all that stuff tomorrow

Gonna do another wipe and finally do this properly.

[lucid drum]

Okay last question 💀. Save files. Let's say I have a save file, I had DLAA enabled and had those artifact glitches. Saved the game again and then reverted

Is my save now kinda fucked because I saved it when the artifacts were glitched?

[cosmic prairie]

no, your saves are fine

[lucid drum]

Good to know.

Night man!

Thanks again

🙂

[cosmic prairie]

night

[limber goblet]

but seriously, how can you take the game seriously when you are using "undressing" mods? lol

[cobalt crown]

Emotional scene with Renoir explaining the pain of losing Verso

Pans camera

Lune's whole ass and tiddies out

😆 I'd start laughing

[fiery orchid]

Baguette outfit kinda has that effect in the vanilla game imo

[hallow comet]

I mean, thats why theres a toggle for outfits in cutscenes

[somber pebble]

I get this with any FG over 3.8.1 on Silent Hill 2. See what version you've replaced the DLL with

[lucid drum]

Not using any framegen

Its legit DLSS DLAA

I got a 5090

[hallow comet]

DLAA is broken as fuck in E33

[lucid drum]

Yeah clearly

Dude i even heard going past 75 percent on TSR is fucked.

"4k doesnt need AA" is the biggest load of bs someone will ever say.

[hallow comet]

4K doesn't need AA.. depending on the game

[lost egret]

I saw someone claim 4k exists just as a result of tv makers go bigger number better and 1080p is all we need

[hallow comet]

144p is all the pixel we need

[lost egret]

I remember the good old days if .3gp video files in 144p and like 15 fps

[lucid drum]

Bro I remember surfing the internet on a fucking psp

How far we have come since the good old days

[lucid drum]

While true, alot of them still do.

[merry ermine]

I've never really understood the statement. The nature of aliasing isn't solved by increasing resolution alone. You can get a high enough resolution that it stops being an outright distraction, but it's still there

[lucid drum]

Exactly.

[lost egret]

I don’t expect this to be a popular take but i honestly prefer dlss quality over native non dlaa because i like the way it looks vs. bad native aa in newer games

[lucid drum]

What people fuck up is when it comes to MSAA

They increase that to 8x on a 4k display.

[lucid drum]

It all depends on the game I suppose, but tarkov, DLSS looks sooo bad

[lost egret]

Even transformer?

[lucid drum]

I won't ever run a game with DLSS unless I absolute have to

Like a 5090 should run native lol

and I paid good money to get that quality.

[lost egret]

I hate latency/sub-120 fps so much i sometimes go to medium and even dlss perf transformer on a 5090

To get 120 i mean

Kinda gotten used to sacrificing a bit sharpness to get 120

[lucid drum]

Yeah idc about fps as long as its above 60, which Clair has been. The odd 58fps but that's it. Only during later parts of the game

Everything cranked

I have to laugh at console players though, which I am still.

"A game shouldn't be below 60fps"

Like guys, you're only bitching about it now because its mainstream

We have all played 30fps titles for years, unless it's cod.

"GTA 6, its unacceptable that it will be running at 30fps"

Like give me a break.

Suck it up and enjoy the quality of the game.

You want performance? Get a PC

"They're to expensive"

You just bought a 1k ps5 pro Gerald

[hallow comet]

Nah i dont want 30fps on an OLED thanks

[lucid drum]

If its a console, suck it up

Im specifically talking GTA though. If a game is poorly optimized I get it...

But to bitch about GTA 6 is wild lol

What game ran at 30fps? Oh, red dead?

Oh I wonder why...

Gta 6 is a rdr2 clone if not better in terms of graphics...wtf you think was gonna happen haha

[lost egret]

Kinda worried about that upcoming game freak game

Trailer was like 15-20 fpa

Likely on a 5090

[lucid drum]

Never even heard of it

Yeah see now with that Lily

We can get upset but at who?!?

The devs.

Why? Because laziness

And UE5

[lost egret]

Yeaaa

[lucid drum]

Its shit.

[hallow comet]

Ugh UE5 hater

[lucid drum]

Rdr2 looks miles better than clair and yet here we are lol.

In terms of FPS comparison

[hallow comet]

Rapid shit takes incoming

[lost egret]

If devs learned to work better with the engine it would make such a difference

[lucid drum]

That and stop firing the good old timers

Hire new people that dont know wtf they're doing, plus poor management

You should be setting up the new gen to take over the old timers

Properly train.

No cut corners. That's what makes this game so great. They broke free from Ubisoft

Take a look at the older assassin's creed. The soundtrack alone deserves an Oscar.

The story, well written

[lost egret]

Yeah clair obscur is amazing

[lucid drum]

That's why a game like this puts a smile on my face

I legit teared up at the end and im a grown fucking man

Im proud of the devs.

They fucked up clearly with graphics and shit but I'll give them a lee way

This is their first title and they crushed it.

[lost egret]

Finished the last fight last night and damn what a game, had so much fun

[lucid drum]

The ending was superb

I was so lost hahaha

The parts I didn't grasp made me want to find the answers

[lost egret]

Story, music, visuals, the believable human interactions/ conversations etc

[lucid drum]

That's what makes it so good.

[lost egret]

Awkward pauses

[lucid drum]

Visuals could be better but they ain't bad

[lost egret]

In dialogue

[lucid drum]

Face animations suck

But again, I can look awY

[lost egret]

Not super rehearsed stuff

[lucid drum]

Away

[lost egret]

Makes it organic

I’m mo

[lucid drum]

For what they had...they deserve praise

[lost egret]

Imo*

[lucid drum]

The voice actors did good

Some better than others

But overall good

[lost egret]

Yeah

And the privilege of being able to experience it in hdr thanks to this community

[lucid drum]

Who are all so helpful

[ionic notch]

[limber goblet]

The facial animations were really good imo, especially the expressions

[summer folio]

i think it's fair to say that lip-sync is pretty bad at times but facial expression is great

[limber goblet]

yea the lip-sync was bad at the beginning of the game for some reason

[lucid drum]

They're not lmao. Better than any recent assassin's creed but I shall blame lack of $$$$

[hybrid wind]

Are we trying to imply that facial animations in the directed cinematics are crap?… 🤔

[trim anchor]

chained echos

that game doesn't need any aa even at 360p 🙂

[plucky finch]

It's funny how you can tell the game got some serious money injection at some point in the development

[somber pebble]

well, it's a small studio, where as RDR 2 = unlimited manpower and budget lool

I think RDR 2 is one of the best games ever made. Clair is also up there but on a different "podium" if that makes sense

[limber goblet]

Well we can agree to disagree

[merry ermine]

We’ve long been at the point where the biggest bottleneck for game graphics is money/manpower/time. You simply can’t hold smaller teams on shorter timelines to the same standards as a studio like Rockstar that can pour fuck you money into a project for 6+ years.

[cobalt crown]

Rockstar is singular

There are plenty studios that drop a gorillion bux on games and they turn our wank

RDR2 and GTA6 will be the only 'AAAA' titles for the foreseeable future

I don't know how R* manages it, one of the only studios that can have a billion cooks in the kitchen and not fuck up spectacularly

[plucky finch]

Arguably things like real time lighting and better upscales allowed the smaller studios to close the gap in some way, I mean AW2 is visually fairly comparable to TLoU2 with the fraction of the budget, but things like animation, and especially facial animations is something you need money/hardware/talent to power thought

[hallow comet]

Slowly thats how

[limber goblet]

The gameplay barely changes/evolvs tho

[cobalt crown]

You will go from point a to point b

No deviations

And you will like it

Didn't do the mission exactly how R* programmed it

Failed

[hallow comet]

Walk on grass FAILED

Random bug happens halfway across the map FAILED

Scripted event happens and you dont snap around and follow it FAILED

[lucid drum]

Its not complete shit. The animations and lip syncing aren't terrible, they just arnt great. This ain't a triple a studio or game.

and I can easily show you how a game from 2010 has better facial animations.

Compare any assassin's creed game made before origins vs after, and you can see the slop.

Again, not shitting on clair obscur...they did an okay job for the $$ they had.......and somehow did it beter than any new assassin's creed that releases. (Facial animation)

This game is a 10/10 and I hope they win GOTY

[limber goblet]

Which one? I mean It's not Death Stranding 2 level ofc, but the facial expressions in cutscenes are exceptionally good imo, you can see the pain/sadness on their faces. It's really good for LiDAR scanned faces, they used iPhones to scan the actors.

[lucid drum]

Assassin's creed brotherhood ill pick

Has better facial animations then this game.

Just because a game is old, doesnt make it a write off. Im not claiming to be someone who's always right, but I have been gaming for 24 years

If I were to say assassin's creed brotherhood has better graphics...you can slap me lol

[limber goblet]

Brotherhood ? Really?

[lucid drum]

Yes.

Ill show you a good scene.

Also the acting is better.

[limber goblet]

Alright, I can't remember tbh but I don't think that it was that good

[lucid drum]

Voice acting, facial animations and lip syncing...in this scene alone beats clair.

https://youtu.be/FAjfVcl2L74?si=2dCV6z79dgsizKrD

Read top comment. 40k likes...

[limber goblet]

It's good because the lypsync is accurate, but the the facial expressions did not age well

[lucid drum]

Yes they have lol

Compare that to any new assassin's creed...sorry but you're wrong

[limber goblet]

I mean it's the graphics

[lucid drum]

Im not being biased either

I have played every assassin's creed

[limber goblet]

Oh ofc compared to the new AC games it's a lot better

[lucid drum]

Odyssey, origins, shadows

They all suck

Yes graphics are somewhat dated

But the emotions...facial expressions....are really good still and imo, beat clairs

I'd pick out a scene for Clair but I dont want to spoil anything here.

Again im not shitting on sandfall, they did wayyyy better than Ubisoft.

Not just animations...but writing, graphics etc

Ubisoft is quite literally, a joke. Any game they make looks like dog shit.

[simple spruce]

idk if i can follow you there outlaws and shadows are incredibly beautiful

[lucid drum]

Lol not at all man.

I disagree

[limber goblet]

The problems for me are the outdated models and graphics. the voice acting is good, despite the Italian accent which I'm not a huge fan of, but I can't really take it seriously, but it's probably just me

[lucid drum]

Both are complete garbage

[simple spruce]

i think they have their flaws. we can criticize the ubisoft formula all we want but in terms of fidelity they are objectively very beautiful games

[lucid drum]

The voice acting in shadows is literally the worst I have ever heard.

Yeah but fidelity doesnt save a game.

Ubisoft are the masters of creating big empty worlds

Filling with slop year after year

They got no talent.

Im being harsh because that company is a former shell. I started on assassin's creed 1

[limber goblet]

Btw the voice acting in Origin was not bad at all

[lucid drum]

Nah voice acting was good

I agree there.

[limber goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u94KgzdWDYs

especially this scene

[lucid drum]

I just couldn't get into origins

And after that game they legit copy pasted

Until now

They're lazy.

Same with farcry

Why in hell do all farcrys after 3 play like 3.

[fiery orchid]

lazy is never the correct word
they are forced by execs and shareholders to rehash the same thing over and over

[lucid drum]

Yes....which us lazyness

[limber goblet]

It was a winning formula for many years

[lucid drum]

And btw...its the higher ups at the game studio itself that also is the issue

So yes, its laziness.

[fiery orchid]

it's safety

[lucid drum]

"Safety"

Its actually hurting them lol.

[fiery orchid]

it wasn't hurting for a whole decade

[limber goblet]

Valhalla was the worst of the 3 games, and it was selling like hot cakes

[fiery orchid]

they thrived on far cry 3 formula for like 12 years

[lucid drum]

But the same can be said about cod.

Doesn't mean its right.

Its still laziness

If ubisoft sees that farcry 4 sold 10 million units, on a lesser budget, it sets a new standard.

[limber goblet]

Ubisoft made big mistakes/miscalculations with a lot of games after Valhalla

[lucid drum]

Then they'll try that with farcry 5.

Then 6.

As you know, companies want to make more for less.....I worked retail for 10 years. .its no different

[limber goblet]

The Avatar game, Skull and Bones, SW Outlaws, AC Mirage, FC6

[lucid drum]

"Hey guys, were doing better in sales this year but corporate wants less hours used for the holidays"

Then, when things go south because you dont have staff, they blame you.

Can't use "less hours" as an excuse even though its valid.

At that point, you aren't inline with the companies vision....even though its at your expense.

Gaming industry is no different...its more for less.

More demand, less pay.

Why you think they kick the old timers out lol?

[lucid drum]

Skull and bones..the game ubisoft wanted everyone to pay more because they deemed it as a quadruple A title. 💀

[limber goblet]

yea hahaha

[lucid drum]

That's why im praising this game. 30 devs leaving ubisoft..one of the scummiest studios, made a studio, partnered with a PRIVATE publisher...and nailed it.

Okay they did some outsourcing but regardless.. im proud of sandfall.

Each member of that team id personally congratulate.

[limber goblet]

Yea, me too

it was a true passion project

which is rare nowadays

[lucid drum]

There lies the issue and why I blame laziness

[haughty dirge]

I'm with you on this one mate... parts are still good but I defs don't think that aged well overall

[lucid drum]

You're looking at graphics...that's the issue

It aged well actually lol.

[haughty dirge]

nah

[lucid drum]

Yes it did.

[haughty dirge]

its the facial expressions

the vocal performance and lip sync are awesome

[lucid drum]

The facial expressions are fine. Especially looking at their eyes when switching from a normal tone to an angry one

[haughty dirge]

but just in terms of how (at the right budget level) they are able to simulate how certain mouth movements actually make different parts of your face move, the way muscles are connected

its not a slight bc none of that was technically possible then but thats the part where it doesnt hold up

perhaps doesnt hold up isnt the right way to put it bc it puts a negative spin on a past game that did great with the tech available at the time - a better way to put it might be that its an area where we've seen massive improvements in titles with the budget, tech, and desire to do it

[lucid drum]

I disagree. Its all connected. You can't have good facial expressions but not good lip sync and voice acting. If you have one missing, its gonna look like shit.

That's why im saying brotherhood, still beats clair.

The voice acting in brotherhood is top notch, the lip syncing is perfect and the facial expressions are good

I dont know what part in that video does the expressions look off

Graphics yes.

Look at 0:46 to 0.54 in that video

[haughty dirge]

i think the clip you posted as an example is a perfect example of how big of an impact a great vocal performance with good lip sync has even if the expressiveness of the face overall cant compare to the best titles doing it today

its just an area where theres been exponential improvement

[lucid drum]

Look at that and tell me how its dated lol.

Facial expressions.

[haughty dirge]

like i said the facial expressions are totes fine for the time, but the reason it feels like it holds up well is the vocal performance and lip sync

[limber goblet]

because only the mouth moves and his eyes

[haughty dirge]

the faces have expressions in the sense that eye brows and cheeks move, not just lips

but its very rudementary

you dont get any of the tiny movements playing out over every muscle across your face when speaking or making certain expressions

and thats a thing where the games that do it well are in a completely different league nowadays

[lucid drum]

That doesn't make it bad though lol. Okay so the tech didn't have wrinkles or anything but the expressions are still there.

[haughty dirge]

💯

[lucid drum]

And you can convey enough emotion with just your eyes alone.

[haughty dirge]

it looks good for the time, and it can communicate an expression like anger or concern

but it has none of the detail and realism you can get these days

if you look closely its exactly Mpaul's point - there's like three distinct parts of the face that are animated, and they are animated well

[lucid drum]

If you say that clair has more movement in one's face when talking, sure...but that doesn't make it automatically a winner

[haughty dirge]

but thats all

[lucid drum]

You have to consider more than just wrinkles and shit.

Scene...acting.....lip syncing...

Like I said..if one is off, it falls.

[limber goblet]

the tiny details matter a lot imo

[lucid drum]

Again it doesnt make it a winner

[haughty dirge]

you have none of the secondary, tertiary, etc movements across the face that make up how humans look when talking or feeling an emotion

[limber goblet]

exactly, that's why I said that I can't really take it seriously

[haughty dirge]

its not about wrinkles, which like, you could just slap a texture on their face

[limber goblet]

it would be an awesome audio book, but the visuals are dated

the visuals actually hurt the performance of the voice actors imo

[haughty dirge]

its about the fact that when real people talk or show emotion, their entire face moves, even if if some of those movements are tiny, and how like, raising one eye brow will have a follow on effect on how the cheek moves, or how enunciating certain words makes the lips move in a way that causes secondary, tertiary, etc muscle movements in other parts of the face

they dont just move, eye brows and lips

[lucid drum]

Like I said, if they made that now it would look complete shit, but let's say those old devs could make it with the tech we right now, then you'd be complementing it because it has secondary movements and shit. That alone, while it does make it better, doesn't give it an automatic win

Dude, when Verso (no spoilers) said to Lune (Fuck the ******)

Ilook at his facial animations...

[limber goblet]

https://youtube.com/shorts/e5DJHl8xA6o?si=QVFkM7wGL4-ceVP9

[lucid drum]

His face isn't even expressive like how anyone who doesnt act would say it

[haughty dirge]

this was gonna be one of my reference points for whats possible these days haha ^^

[lucid drum]

Yeah no...the first 4 sec

[haughty dirge]

the TLOU's are another great example, but hellblade 2 is probs the goat in terms of facial expressiveness

[lucid drum]

Wtf kind of face is that.

[haughty dirge]

what they have senua communicate without speaking at all is incredible

[lucid drum]

That's over embellished

Who the fuck makes that face 💀

[limber goblet]

A sick person?

[lucid drum]

Yes the tech is impressive but nobody makes that face

A sick person scrunched there nose and closes there eyes?

[haughty dirge]

and i think thats the biggest difference - if you took away the audio from that assassins creed clip, youd have no idea what the characters were feeling

[lucid drum]

Not true.

Look at their eyes

Eyebrows

You can see anger without the voice dudem

Dude

[haughty dirge]

whereas there are entire sequences in hellblade 2 where basically your entire understanding of senua's state of mind is communicated by her face alone

[lucid drum]

Even hand expressions

[limber goblet]

She is experiencing psychosis and hallucinations among other things...

[lucid drum]

Its over the top.

[limber goblet]

people with serious mental issues often make weird faces

[lucid drum]

Im not saying they dont dude....but it looks off.

That video.

[limber goblet]

her acting might not be perfect sure, but the tech is top notch

[haughty dirge]

you guys feel free to continue but i think i might call it on this discussion 😅 not bc theres anything wrong with it, just bc i think we can discuss it for another hour and its still gonna end in the same "agree to disagree"

[lucid drum]

I'm legit waiting to have a shower hahaha

[limber goblet]

yea haha

[haughty dirge]

im just not seeing any of the sophistication youre seeing in that AC clip, and im not seeing whatever you think is wrong with the hellblade clip

[lucid drum]

If you posted rdr2...then yeah fine.

[haughty dirge]

we could talk about it all day and i think we'd have the same outcome xD

[limber goblet]

this is probably my fav still from Exp 33 btw:

[haughty dirge]

nah her acting is GOAT level as well

[lucid drum]

I dont see every game that comes out and compare it to ac brotherhood..but you can compare any new assassin's creed and it gets demolished by brotherhood, a game thats from 2010.

[haughty dirge]

senua would be like, easily top 2-3 best realised video game characters of all time imho

[lucid drum]

Where's wrinkles?

Hahaha

[limber goblet]

it's a death stare lol

[haughty dirge]

goddamn this game is gorgeous

i dunno if its an english second language thing on my side or not but im not quite getting the wrinkles point

[lucid drum]

Look in the mirror and give a deathstare

[haughty dirge]

why are we talking about wrinkles

[lucid drum]

Look angry

Then look between your brows and see wrinkles.

Where are they on Lune?

[limber goblet]

a death stare is a completely relaxed face

[haughty dirge]

i mean if i furrow my brow sure but if i do a death stare into a mirror rn its gonna look a lot like that lune shot (except ya know, middle aged male and way less attractive 😂 )

[lucid drum]

Bro then I guess I can't do a death stare without using brows.

[haughty dirge]

thats the point im trying to make, because of the micro scale on which they can animate faces these days

[limber goblet]

relax your whole face and stare into someone's eyes

that's a death stare

[haughty dirge]

you dont need any overexpressiveness to communicate emotions effectively - unless thats what you want

[lucid drum]

Bro.you can't relax your entire face and just look at someone and call it a death stare

[haughty dirge]

you can do what ppl do in real life - which is literally just a strong stare with a slight narrowing of the eye lids

[lucid drum]

You either purse your mouth (a bit, lowering jaw), or you crinkle your brow a bit.

If you guys can death stare someone with tilting your head down and keeping a normal expression...im amazed.

[haughty dirge]

sry just on this bc i totes missed it - i dont think you'll fnd many peeps that will disagree with you on that

while i vastly prefer the RPG era ass creeds from a gameplay perspective its v obvious where stuff had to be cut/simplified to make the scale of the game work

but thats not the discussion i thought we were having

[limber goblet]

looking at someone with an angry face is not a death stare

😄

you face needs to be emotionless

[lucid drum]

This is a death stare.

And it legit is tied with a suppressed version of anger.

Look at brows.

Nose.

That's a death stare.

💀

[haughty dirge]

😂

[haughty dirge]

to be super clear, not mocking you at all or any offense intended - i just found myself do a literal lol bc this discussion has taking a very hilarious turn at some point

[lucid drum]

Dude she's like 17

💀

[haughty dirge]

id unno if its as funny as i think it is or if im just too delirious atm

[lucid drum]

Lune is in her 30s

Lack of detail.

[limber goblet]

20+ actually but thats not the point

[lucid drum]

Death stare.

You guys said detail..

That's detail ^^

[haughty dirge]

but was not expecting a debate on what constitutes a death stare lmao

detail as in, they can manipulate the muscle movements in specific areas of the face so exactly now

[limber goblet]

and you post old guys looking at you with an angry face xD

[lucid drum]

Also Lune is 32.

Bro..Lune is 32

And you posted a 17 year old.

[haughty dirge]

that they dont need any overexaggeration to make the emotions work

[limber goblet]

She is asian tho

[haughty dirge]

the tiny narrowing of the eyes

[lucid drum]

Oh here we go.

Hahaha

[haughty dirge]

is all thats needed to communicate something the same way a person would irl

[lucid drum]

Narrow your eyes in the mirror

Then look at your brows.

Ty.

[haughty dirge]

i literally just did that before

and the results (again, gender and attractiveness aside) are very much along mpaul's examples

[lucid drum]

You posted a gif

[haughty dirge]

i dunno why im still here, i gotta go make some coffee and head to the doctor

[limber goblet]

we all need to head to a doctor after this

lol

[haughty dirge]

this genuinely has been a v fun discussion but i dont think we're gonna get anywhere - i dont even think we're talking about the same thing tbh

[limber goblet]

we are not talking about the same thing haha

[lucid drum]

I gotta have a shower but I'll end it with this.

You call this better expression? Nobody does this face...under any circumstance ....unless you purposely do it.

GG. In a loving way.

💀

So my point still stands. Brotherhood is better.

[limber goblet]

Gustav’s shouting was actually pretty good

[lucid drum]

Nobody does that face when shouting

[limber goblet]

do people make faces like this?

[lucid drum]

....

Depending on the context...and from that video..that looks something from a 18+ video.

[limber goblet]

this is actually from a randomly paused news video lol

[lucid drum]

I gotta shower. BRB.. and thats fine because thats a fraction of a second. You wouldn't see that during her talk.

His mouth being that big and shouting is not the same.

That's literally a cutscene.

[limber goblet]

I mean pause the brotherhood video at a random time, it does look even worse when its not in motion

[lucid drum]

That's not what im saying at all lol

You guys are nitpicking something that happens for 0.1 of a second. Him yelling, regardless of that one Pic, is over embellished when it comes to facial expression

[limber goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwMZteQQiY is it really that bad? I mean seriously?

[lucid drum]

That entire scene..nit just that one fraction of a second is legit ridiculous

And not good facial expression at all

[limber goblet]

the animations are nuanced

[lucid drum]

Ill show you another. I never even knew they shot on an iPhone.

That in itself is ridiculous but hating on apple is another story

[limber goblet]

it's cheap tho

[lucid drum]

Watch this video. Look at Sophie's reaction

Compared to voice actress

https://youtu.be/_RnWiaLz4ss?si=om7ri4w9fEgF8RaG

You guys think thats good?

There's legit no wrinkles or anything or secondary movements in face.

I dont see your argument at all.

Watch video.

[limber goblet]

I honestly can't see how this one is worse than a Brotherhood, other than the lipsync

[lucid drum]

Watch it ^

[limber goblet]

i saw this video

[lucid drum]

First 48 sec

[limber goblet]

already

[lucid drum]

So your argument is AC brotherhood is dated.

[limber goblet]

yes

[lucid drum]

Yet you look at that? What's their excuse.

[limber goblet]

excuse of what?

[lucid drum]

Again I ain't hating on clair..im just going against your guys argument

Tell me how, a game from 2025, can have facial expressions that look like that.

With the modern day tech

[limber goblet]

thats not really modern day tech tho they use the cheapest form of facial capture available and yet is looks quite good

[grim hinge]

I don’t like the facial animations

Sciel looks funny

[lucid drum]

Thank.you Musa

[limber goblet]

Musa doesn't like anything tho

xD

[lucid drum]

This is good tech?

Miles better than ac?

Common lmao

She has dead facial expressions

[limber goblet]

you mean shocked

[lucid drum]

She's not shocked.. she's scared...

[limber goblet]

both

[lucid drum]

Or sad

The actress doesnt even line up with what's being inputed

Watching that entire video.

And yeah, now that I see its shot on an iPhone.. it makes sense.

[limber goblet]

because it's not a 1:1 capture ffs

[lucid drum]

That's why I said originally...

$$$$$

I said that originally

My main argument was comparing facial expression to that of AC dude.

Now you're saying "it was shot on an iphone" and blaming tech.

Its 2025.

It shouldn't be "dated"

[limber goblet]

I'm not blaming thech it looks good for what it is imo

[lucid drum]

Im merely picking apart your argument. Im not mad.

[grim hinge]

It’s a AA game and the facial animations look like the better end of AA

[lucid drum]

Agreed.

[limber goblet]

exactly

[lucid drum]

I said that at the beginning though lmfao

You can even scroll up.

[grim hinge]

Well tons of AAA games have shit facial animations so idk even

[lucid drum]

Well new assassin's creed games do

This one did better.

[limber goblet]

and AC brotherhood looked realyl good back in 2010 and it looks dated now

[grim hinge]

Also idk what the budget is

Ya

[lucid drum]

It doesnt look dated at all lmao

Holy cow

[grim hinge]

It’s better than a good chunk of shit ass open world games

[lucid drum]

If you said graphically...yes.

Your argument falls flat because whatever you're claiming ac does, and I dont see it, is what clair obscur is doing but worse on modern tech

But you blame the iPhone...

[limber goblet]

they had access to the top of the line facial capture tech at the time, but it was held back by the rendering tech

[grim hinge]

https://youtu.be/2EVs7P0wyWU?si=gCSr7H9TEyGemoVF

It’s dated for sure

Eyes have gotten much better nowadays

Uncharted 4 is from 2016 and still destroys all the games mentioned so far

[limber goblet]

oh yea I agree

[grim hinge]

And the last of us 2 is a cut above that even

[limber goblet]

yea Tlou Part 2 is probably the best atm

Hellblade 2 is close tho

[lucid drum]

That scene is pretty shit ngl

But thats not the entire game.

[grim hinge]

I recall origins not being as bad as odyssey

[limber goblet]

I mean we can all cherry pick bad examples

[lucid drum]

Odyssey was worse

[limber goblet]

yea Odyssey was a lot worse actually

[grim hinge]

Hellblade overacted

[lucid drum]

Agreed

That's what I said to Paul

[grim hinge]

Idk if it’s the tech in hellblade requiring exaggerated movements to be picked up or the actress

[limber goblet]

I don't think that it is overacted, it's the acress maybe

[lucid drum]

Also they did good on Cristina in that scene...ezios eyes fucked up. And her husband is also fucked.

Renoir is an example, in the cutcsenes..of facial expression done right.

Then other scenes its like...whoah...wtf is that

That looks way off.

[limber goblet]

It never really felt off to me, real time cutscenes in the first half of act 1 looked pretty bad overall, especially the lipsync

but other that it looked fine

[lucid drum]

That's the issue though..real time cutscenes in clair.

Its off.

Point being..iPhone.

Again, I ain't shitting on sandfall for doing it..

Its cost effective for their first title.

However...

If they keep doing that...then I'll say its lazy.

[limber goblet]

The lipsync going out of sync when dropping frames in cutscenes didn't help, but it was fixable with well good enough hardware lol

[limber goblet]

It's not lazy if thats the only thing that fits your budget, it's a lot better than doing animations by hand

and a lot cheaper too

[lucid drum]

Its not lazy for their first title...but if you want quality...and are charging for that...yeah put your money into tech

Thatd cutting corners bro.

Never cut corners.

[limber goblet]

you always have to cut corners lol

[lucid drum]

Depending on who you work for

[limber goblet]

I mean in the gaming industry

[lucid drum]

If it doesnt show it doesnt matter

Clair obscur shows.

[limber goblet]

ofc it shows it's an AA game

[lucid drum]

Cutting corners by using a fucking iPhone as a means to capture face movement is ridiculous

Man you're not understanding lol

I said thats fine for their first game

They already sold 3.3 million units

And it'll keep going

Its a fucking hit.

When you make another game, it should always out do the other

The issue is taking risks.

Alot of companies dont do that because its safe to just not improve.

And keep with the same formula

What makes a great game, is someone who goes against thay

And defies boundaries.

[limber goblet]

Yea ofc, they will use better tech if they can

[lucid drum]

That's what I said.

Im not hating sandfall, I explained it early on why they did way they did.

I understand

[limber goblet]

we have no idea what the scope of their next game is going to be tho

[lucid drum]

I mean they could do another but with a different family however I dont think they should.

They said what they needed to wirh this game

I honestly believe its a one in done

[limber goblet]

They will probably hire more people that costs a lot of money, so they can release their next game in 3 years instead of 6-7

[lucid drum]

The story is so fucking good but if they can do it again, then good for them.

Depends on who they hire.

[limber goblet]

Or what they make tbh if it's a game that takes place in the same universe then they can reuse a lot of their assets

[lucid drum]

The issue is, I do not know how that company is run

Although im not opposed to reusing assets, many games do it, including rockstar

It depends on how you go about it

If sandfall made another game in 3 years...but its overall the same but on another canvas...idk man.

Boring.

[limber goblet]

You have to stay cost effective, but yea you also have to be creative

[lucid drum]

Innovate

That's literally the goal

Every game is early 2000s innovated

Yes you had companies still hitting the trends but the companies that pushed the boundaries are the ones that succeeded

[limber goblet]

Nah they are not going to do that, maybe a "real world" story which takes palce in their version of Paris

or something with the writers idk

[lucid drum]

I wouldn't give two fucks about playing in the real world.

What's there to do..

What's the story.

Having a world be on the canvas makes sense.

[limber goblet]

this is a finished story imo, focusing on the same family again is not that interesting

[lucid drum]

I said that though

[lucid drum]

This

[limber goblet]

ah yea

[lucid drum]

This game feels like a one and done

[limber goblet]

plus there are two endings

[lucid drum]

I mean, without spoiling it for others, its done regardless

Shift up with stellar blade has multiple directions to go into

This game doesn't.

[limber goblet]

Yea and || learning what really happens to Maelle || would ruin the endings imo

[lucid drum]

Which is why it makes it so good.

[pearl wagon]

I dunno I'd hate for them to do a sequel to Clair Obscur. Wishful thinking was that they'd be the new Final Fantasy franchise that builds a completely new world with every game

[limber goblet]

I don't think that they are going to leave this universe, It's really hard to create a new successful IP

[lucid drum]

I dont think id hate them but they shouldn't do one I agree.

[pearl wagon]

yea i don't mean hate, lol. i'd play it

[lucid drum]

Like you guys play plague tale?

[limber goblet]

They have to do something in universe but with a different family or person or something

[lucid drum]

I played the first two right..

Loved it

This new one looks fucking lame.

I think its a prequel but it looks bland

I actually didn't finish two but however it ends..

Leave it.

[limber goblet]

yea the first two games were really good

[lucid drum]

But its safe to do another Plague tale because it has a fan base

Im more in tune with doing something new.

Something we havnt seen

But you need a strong ass team to do it

Alot of studios dont.

[limber goblet]

it's not easy to experiment with new when you created something that works

[lucid drum]

Depends on if you established a good company that people trust.

[limber goblet]

yea you need a very strong creative lead and a really good writer

[lucid drum]

For example...

Uncharted right.

Uncharted 1 to 3.

Sick ass games..

Naughty dog were new and they fucking poured their hearts out, and for the time, were the best looking games upon release

They took a risk because they knew it would be a hit

[limber goblet]

they were not new though

[lucid drum]

Then out of nowhere

Nvm they made crash

Apologies.

[limber goblet]

if you have a lot of money then you can start experimenting

[lucid drum]

Still..they had crash bandicoot

Then went to Jack and dax

[limber goblet]

Crash and Jak

yea

[lucid drum]

Yeah

Then did a 180 and decided to do a national treasure type game

Which was a huge hit

Then do another 180 and went zombie survival

Or ghost of tsushima

These guys made fucking sly cooper

[limber goblet]

Guerilla with Horizon

[lucid drum]

Going from sly Cooper to feudal Japan

Horizon is so boring duce

Dude

I hate that game

[limber goblet]

it was a big success regardless

[lucid drum]

It was but it was boring af.

[limber goblet]

I liked the first game, the story was interesting

[lucid drum]

But my point stands is that they took a leap

and it paid off

Like I dont even know what Guerilla will do next.

Hopefully not a horizon 3.

[limber goblet]

well after Horizon 3? Who knows

[lucid drum]

Is it confirmed?

[limber goblet]

Ofc

it's a trilogy

[lucid drum]

Jeeeez

[limber goblet]

and people like it so

[lucid drum]

So horizon zero dawn

24 million copies

That's insane...

Anyway...forbidden west

8mill

Still good but its fucking lame.

[limber goblet]

Decima is the best engine atm so I'm curious

[lucid drum]

I believe the devs were salty too lol

They got pissed at elden ring

[limber goblet]

ofc haha

worst release timing ever

[lucid drum]

Yeah but they think just because they got good tech, means they're better

Elden ring is a far superior game

[limber goblet]

the new tech in the forbidden west DLC and Death Stranding 2 is amazing

I can't wait for the next Decima engine game

[lucid drum]

I want a killzone

Sly cooper

[limber goblet]

meh killzone was mediocre at best

[lucid drum]

Nah it wasn't.

4 was.

4 was so ass I got halfway through it and deleted it

Worst game I ever played

Seriously

[limber goblet]

yea 4 was bad lol

[lucid drum]

They just got tired of doing killzone

Which I get...

[limber goblet]

btw we should move to #💬chat

[lucid drum]

But make a smart play...

Yeah I gotta charge my phone anyway dude but I'll end with this

One game...the holy grail..

[limber goblet]

and I should go to sleep tbh xD

[lucid drum]

That's being Sit on

And needs a good dev.

Socom.

Easy $$ maker.

Like fucking easy.

Everyone wants another SOCOM

[limber goblet]

or a better Deus Ex

but thats not going to happen

[lucid drum]

Or that too

[limber goblet]

or Splinter Cell

or a new Thief game

it's time to sleep

[ionic notch]

Wish rockstar changed up the gameplay a bit the point A to B shtick is old asf

[lucid drum]

Agreed.

[limber goblet]

what about going from point a to b then back to a!

[lucid drum]

Best game they did though, imo, max payne 3

[lucid drum]

Dead space

Great game though

That's actually my favorite

[limber goblet]

the first one yea

[lucid drum]

Second

First was good, second did better

[limber goblet]

yea the second game is not bad either

[lucid drum]

3 was good, but ehhhhh

[limber goblet]

3 was yea... 😄

[lucid drum]

Man...im pissed that they arnt doing 2 remake

Like fuck.

Those suits were so badass

[ionic notch]

EA as a whole shifted priorities recently

To of course

[limber goblet]

I want a new and better Bioshock like game too

[ionic notch]

SPORTS GAMES YIPEEE

[lucid drum]

Madden 25!!!

Let's gooooo

Another UFC game!!!

Meanwhile fight night would outsell UFC

💀

[ionic notch]

As a UFC fan, UFC would be good if they had more modes/ more intriguing Career mode

The gameplay itself is solid

[lucid drum]

Ehhhh idk man

I played ufc 1 to 3

Its stale.

[ionic notch]

3 was the best imo

[lucid drum]

Especially comparing it to undisputed

Nah 2 was

But fight night...slaps all the UFC games

[ionic notch]

Agreed

[hallow comet]

Bullshir

[grim hinge]

naoe

[hallow comet]

Ive seen much worse

[grim hinge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo0X03JY__E

[hallow comet]

Made in 1925 unity right

Ive still seen worse unfortunately

[merry ermine]

Iconic video https://youtu.be/bangt7d9vGA?si=nEDexoWEyOecNr8e

[hallow comet]

And yet they still bought more than dollar store mics

Ive heard games with voice actors that had microphones that are just crackly as fuck

[merry ermine]

No AAA game has worse audio than ac Valhalla tbh

I swear they compressed everything to like 40 kbps opus or something

[hallow comet]

Uhh maybe skyrim

At parts

Theres some mega compressed audio there

[haughty dirge]

jfc youre defs being too generous. 8kbps mono - max

[limber goblet]

omg, this is next level bad

[trim anchor]

switch to the japanese dub 😩

[hallow comet]

Im honestly under the belief they just cut costs and expected everyone to use the Japanese audio

[limber goblet]

yea it's much better

[main elm]

iirc someone checked and it really was compressed af

[hallow comet]

Nothing too unusual, probably just overly aggressive file size cutting

[main elm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/jx8lpc/analysis_assassins_creed_highlights_a_very/ yeah here it is

[cosmic prairie]

I haven't played a ubisoft game in nearly ten years. how did that voice acting and facial animation make it to shipping?

didn't ac shadows cost like $200 million usd?

[hallow comet]

Profit margins

If they can save any money they will

[cosmic prairie]

are they bringing in VAs off the streets?!

shit makes Daikatana look like Chinatown

[hallow comet]

VAs?

[cosmic prairie]

voice actors

[hallow comet]

You mean VAIs?

Voice actorAI

[cosmic prairie]

is it AI confirmed?

[hallow comet]

I refuse to believe its a real persons lines

[hallow comet]

No

I doubt it is

But it feels like its spliced lines

[cosmic prairie]

man, that's legitimately depressing.

[hallow comet]

As i said tho

[merry ermine]

I didn’t play shadows, does it have the same problem?

[main elm]

nah it seems ok

valhalla was immediately jarring

[merry ermine]

Yeah, you might as well listen to Valhalla through a phone speaker

I was completely flabbergasted when virtually nobody had this criticism of the game, I’m glad you guys did too 😭

Game sounds like fart with reverb

[limber goblet]

Valhalla is a weird game

bad audio and HDR

Origin's HDR implementation and Audio were actually really good

I mean the HDR is not perfect, but it's a lot better than Valhalla's

[hallow comet]

And then theres odyssey 💀

[limber goblet]

Odyssey's HDR implementation was similar to Origin's

[hallow comet]

Broken below 800 nits peak brightness?

[limber goblet]

yes

[grim hinge]

I think they were broken below 1000

[hallow comet]

Probably

The test screen starts looking okay at 800 but i never tested it fully

[limber goblet]

ah yes it was 1000

[hallow comet]

Well hurry up and fix it so you can play

Magic pussy chapter 3 or whatever

[limber goblet]

wait what this is a real game wtf 😂

[hallow comet]

Yep

[haughty dirge]

i didnt get into valhalla for a whole bunch of reasons - even tho ive loved the RPG ass creeds in general - but the audio quality legit was a major reason. like nails on a chalkboard. listening to anyone talk was horrifying

[tidal yacht]

hi everyone 😄 anyone has an S90D? Question is = do i rly have to use the whole RenoDX thing in samsungs filmmaker mode or could i install the whole thing also in PC Mode Gamemode cause that would be my default setting atm cause of the HGiG etc.

[limber goblet]

I'm not familiar with the S90D but you should use HGiG always

[tidal yacht]

Ok thx 💪

[carmine onyx]

You can't have fmm with pc mode so yeah stick to hgig

[pulsar oar]

how about for those with samsung?

[hasty loom]

gotta eyeball it

[sand lichen]

I know I'm a bit late to the Expedition 33 party, but I finally purchased it. I installed RenoDX, but the Lillium shaders are not compiling. Does this mean RenoDX is not working? I installed Reshade 6.5.1 with add-on support, and then I copied the Reno files overwriting dxgi.dll.

[jagged portal]

Update your lilium shaders

[sand lichen]

I just tried updating the shaders in Reshade, and it didn't work.

[sand lichen]

I found an error which says Reshade version too old. However, I just downloaded the latest Reshade version.

[supple pasture]

don't use the custom dxgi from the reno mod, just use the original 6.5.1, it works just fine

the custom dxgi is reshade 6.4.1. it may work with the addon but not with the latest shaders. alternatively you could get older shaders but I'm running the game with 6.5.1 just fine so no need

[carmine onyx]

How do you guys fix the native aa crash with an amd gpu ?

@jagged portal

There is no fsr with the game right ?

[weak shore]

only xess / tsr

[carmine onyx]

Thanks

So just xess ultra quality

[weak shore]

if irecall there is the nativ-ultra-qal-balance-perf-ultraperf on this game

[jagged portal]

Ultra+ has a 99% res fix for DLAA

Native DLAA isn't fixed