✅RenoDX: Clair Obscur - Expedition 33

[visual flower]

that's pretty cool never thought about it that way

[compact totem]

Gambling

If you gamble enough it's basically a true double damage picto

[timber umbra]

Yeah it does, it's worth it because you have equal chance of losing 5k, or doing 10k more, if base damage is 10k obv

So in the long run it's always worth it

[visual flower]

yeah that's pretty smart

I need to get some extensive math courses some day lol

[timber umbra]

Honestly

It's really simple, super basic math

I prolly learned that at 14 years old or something

[limber goblet]

It's wortht it ofc. Seeing a 5 hit combo triggering the 200% damage bonus 5 times in a row is 🤌

[ancient siren]

No, because in raw numbers there's a smaller gap between 50-100% than there is between 100%-200%.

e.g. if your hits usually do 100 damage, when you get unlucky they'll do 50 damage. That's -50. Bit if you get lucky, they do 200 damage, that's +100 (and not +50)

[visual flower]

yeah makes sense for sure

[timber umbra]

It will be same damage in the long terms of it had 50% chance to do no damage

Or if the 50% damage part had more than 66.66666% chance of happening

(not quite sure about the last statement, I didn't give it much thought, just winged it)

Might be 75%, too tired to think

[compact totem]

Should be this

not more I can't read

but 2/3rds 1/3rds split should be it

[timber umbra]

Yaaaay, my tired brain is still braining

[pseudo mist]

E33 cleanser my hate for the French

xD

How far into the story did y'all get to?

[compact totem]

You can love the game but still hate the French

[gaunt hearth]

I was lucky that the game released 24th, which I took off and 25th was holiday here. Got immediately hooked on the game so I literally just spent an unhealthy amount of time into it

26 and 27th were weekends so I just did fuck all and played the game

[pseudo mist]

haha same

[hasty loom]

Completed the download

[slow forum]

First achievement unlocked then ?

[limber goblet]

4 hours into ACT2

[pseudo mist]

Noice

[pseudo mist]

Gl!

[sterile monolith]

thats not how math works

if your hit was 100 damage normally, double is +100 dmg, and half is -50

100 > 50

avg dmg is (200 (Double) + 50 (half) ) / 2

125 dmg

[winged dune]

Is it just me, or is Ultra+ adding few seconds to battle transition black screen?

[summer folio]

yeah it does, first thing i noticed using it

longer load times as well by a bit

[limber goblet]

hmm I did not notice it tbh

[visual flower]

so have you guys been playing with u+ mostly?

any good comparisons yet?

I'm staying away from it to not lose perf but I assume you can use it with sorta same performance but improvements, but idk if it's stable/good that way

[merry ermine]

u+ with high preset just makes sense imo

[winged dune]

I've tried it and simple dropping DLSS down to Performance was enough to alleviate the hit, the game did look better for sure, but battles starting few seconds longer are off putting me a bit.

[visual flower]

you mean in-game high preset or .ini high preset?

[merry ermine]

in-game

ultra+ makes the high preset pretty reasonable

[limber goblet]

yea it's kinda required if you want to fix foliage and stuff

it has performance friendly mode for battles too

it lowers some of the options by 1 during battles

[visual flower]

so do you tweak it in any way

or you just install it and then change settings in-game and play or?

[limber goblet]

I use 80% bloom/fog and I changed the in-game settings

[visual flower]

what settings do you use in-game?

[limber goblet]

4080 - 3840x1600 - DLSS balanced - Preset K - High/Medium/High/Medium/Epic/Epic/Epic/Epic/High

it's locked 60 everywhere so far

[visual flower]

weirdly enough I don't see much of a performance loss even tho mod and hotkeys are definitely working

but I also don't know the difference without comparing it 1-1

battles are definitely loading longer tho like someone mentioned

also it feels like some hair and miscelanious stuff like chains are more shaky with it but maybe I'm wrong

but otherwise seem to look nice

[gaunt hearth]

I don't think I'm gonna try that. My GPU too old for that

[limber goblet]

hair should look better not worse hmm

[visual flower]

maybe it's just some hair

but yea I definitely see the performance hit now outdoors

although my settings are a mix of high and epic, mostly epic

[limber goblet]

epic shadows/foliage is really heavy with U+

[visual flower]

yea I got shadows on high

[split void]

It seams that custom DLSS resolution (99% in my case) did the trick. 7 hours without crash as so far 🙂

[hybrid wind]

It’s using that much higher settings than the base game, tbh

The base game is using weirdly low values even on High/Epic for multiple settings, apparently

[limber goblet]

yes plus the foliage is broken

[hybrid wind]

Medium/High with U+ basically looks and run better than Vanilla’s Epic lol

[winged dune]

Dropping Shading and Global Illumination from Epic to High on Vanilla is the play for massive performance boost at almost no quality loss though.

SO if performance is a concern its best to compare to that at least.

[slow forum]

It already is

[timber umbra]

Open your eyes

[fiery orchid]

from the very based Ultra Plus Mod Manager software available on nexus

[slow forum]

Or from their discord

That's the cool thing about U+ mods, don't need a nexus account

And you can still get them event more conveniently than using vortex (eww)

[trim anchor]

dw sewer56 is making an alternative

[slow forum]

I don't like mod managers tho

I only use a handful for specific games requiring them like hitman 3 for the community patch, fluffy for some uncharted 4 ones and U+'s manager for the mods' settings but everything else is manual

[haughty dirge]

This is me to a T basically. This game wasn't even on my radar bc I struggle to think of a single turn based game I've enjoyed, so colour me surprised how much I'm enjoying the combat in this and not just living with it to enjoy other parts of the game. Somehow the way you can set up these loooong chains of character abilities stacking onto each other feels so satisfying when it all comes together to deal insane DMG, and the little QTE parts and dodge/party mean I can't actually put the controller down during fights which makes it more engaging too haha

Either way my enjoyment has been a complete shock, I'm defs not the usual target audience for smthn like this 🤷

[hybrid wind]

It is lol?

https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/175?tab=description

[left yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-sleep-gif-12073235593935901891

[viscid fulcrum]

more than 88% is unnoticeable..

i drop it 67%, then gave gpu buget to U+

[limber goblet]

U+ 1.2.0 fixes the issues with shadows/fog!

[marble plover]

How much of a performance hit is U+? I feel the game just manages to maintain 60fps on all Epic settings with DLSS Preset K on Quality with an RTX 5080 at 3440x1440

[warped ginkgo]

unless you crank shit up

it doesnt seem that crazy

I had a locked 70 fps before u+

and it stayed locked 70 with u+

and thats with me enabling the sdf reflections or w/e its called

5090, all settings on cinamatic, dlss balanced

[hybrid wind]

With U+, go down to High, it will perform and look better than Epic on vanilla settings

[wraith atlas]

Some settings like Reflections I put on low. Which is similar to High in Vanilla game.

[wraith atlas]

Clair Fix got nuked

[marble plover]

Wonder why, surprising

[grim hinge]

entire github got nuked

maybe some angry game dev

didn't like someone else fixing their game

[haughty dirge]

afaik lyall has lost access to his whole account on github, not just this repo

and hasnt heard anything from github support yet

oh, you literally mentioned that in your first msg line

apologies for my (lack of ) reading comprehension

[trim anchor]

aw man

everything is gone holy crap

[warped ginkgo]

Peak stat distrubtion

[haughty dirge]

replace might with agility and it me

[warped ginkgo]

maybe if somebody gets an A scaling weapon, it might be worth

I can respec and dump all points into agility

B scaling seems to be a significant chunk less attack power than might

and since I die in 1 hit anyway, the defensive stats do nothing

I'm on hard too

[steady elm]

This also happens when someone spreads malware

[winged dune]

I like not dying from 1 missed parry with some Vitality and Defense without relying on pictos substitutes too much.

Damage, on the other hand, is kinda easy to get going.

Eh, never used them, can't relate 🙂

I don't like edging so hard normaly.

Near the end my Lune got crazy and started giving everyone 9 AP every turn.

[grim hinge]

did lyall spread malware?

[slow forum]

No, never once has his stuff ever been flagged

[slow forum]

Optiscaler's Git was temporarily nuked recently due to Github freaking out over some PR merging or something with the merger's account nuked as well, support got back to him not too slowly but might be a problem on the Github side of thing

[stiff forge]

Holy shit

This game is fucking amazing

https://tenor.com/view/anothersdays-gif-8682649277694789514

[cobalt crown]

Don't let Marat catch you saying that

Midpedition 33

[limber goblet]

Or Musa 😅

[hybrid wind]

It's Marat, it should be considered a compliment almost, when it comes from the gooner king

[steady elm]

@warped ginkgo did you insult this game?

[stiff forge]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-monsters-vs-aliens-speechless-what-i-do-what-we-gon-do-bout-that-gif-5698728855178858064

[neon spire]

finally got time to paly again, what U+ settings do yall recommend?

[warped ginkgo]

I just set the first thing to on

and leave the rest at default, game settings at cinamatic

this

; game/off/on; improves quality of SDFs in reflections especially through translucent objects for a high VRAM cost (>1GB) and a few FPS 
BetterReflectionSDFs=on

[wraith atlas]

Sounds like doing that would crush my 3080 Ti. XD

[hybrid wind]

Yeah don't listen to him

He's on a 5090

What settings are you currently using?

[wraith atlas]

I wasn't the one originally asking. But if you're offering advice. ^^

[slow forum]

Same as Marat's but set the game preset to medium is quite nice for 3080

[hybrid wind]

See if with OOTB settings from U+, you can handle the High preset ingame first, and adjust from there

Multiple settings on Medium are already going to look better than Epic without the mod

And not necessarily run worse, or that worse

[wraith atlas]

DLSS Q

[hybrid wind]

Motion Blur off, smh

[wraith atlas]

Most games don't use per-object blur. So I just turn it off by default.

[hybrid wind]

They... definitely do 😄

[summer folio]

As a fellow motion blur hater I support you

[hybrid wind]

Especially UE 4 or 5 games

Most games for the past decade have been doing it

[wraith atlas]

Still don't really see the need for it. Moving objects naturally blur imo. It's more an excessive style that obfuscates things.

[hybrid wind]

Naturally blur?

On a 2D flat panel? 😄

[visual flower]

isn't motion blur and other ppe's are just preference

people would die on a hill of turning off motion blur/film grain/abberation while they can make the game look nice in some ways

[hybrid wind]

Well, sure, just like you can disable shadows... because why not

[visual flower]

not really the same thing but I don't really care

[hybrid wind]

But it's often a core part of the aesthetic of the game, and it's really really the case for Clair Obscur

[wraith atlas]

That might be a bit hyperbolic. XD

[hybrid wind]

It looks so off without it

[visual flower]

I like motion blur in clair too

[summer folio]

I like film grain, ca is acceptable only if it's light and the game has otherwise perfect image quality, motion blur off unless it's a racing game or DOOM where I want to feel like a race car

[visual flower]

I really gotta play some racing games sometimes

[visual flower]

isn't motion blur mostly not very good in a lot of games?

if you can get good fps already for the picture to be smooth and such

[hybrid wind]

It's great in the majority of games these days, tbh

Some better than others, like Doom TGA being excellent and UE5's too if set up properly

As for when it comes how much frames is needed before it's "enough", that'd be a lot, and you better have a hell of an astounding panel to come with it too

And by lots, probably 400/500+ at the least before you cannot distinguish a difference anymore

And we're not going to have that in any remotely recent games anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point as far as I am concerned, unless the sensitivity of your eyes would be low enough to not see a difference between with and without MB at 120~ frames already

Then it's not really something anyone can do anything about 😄

[wraith atlas]

I'll try it out next time I play.
Didn't really have strong feeling about it. Just standard practice from years of it being shit.

[hybrid wind]

It's especially downright mandatory as far as I am concerned during the cinematics

Many of them have such movie-like qualities, and disabling it is your instant reminder that, well, you are playing a game 😄

[wraith atlas]

I like my game images sharp and clear. I don't need it to look like a movie with grain and stuff. XD

[hybrid wind]

Ew, abnormally sharp images

[neon spire]

that's clearly what he meant of course...

[wraith atlas]

Not sharp to the point of aliasing, but yeah. lol
A lot of games also just use grain to cover up colour banding.
So I remove the grain and use ReShade to fix the banding.

[hybrid wind]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-giga-chad-chad-gif-23788137

[fiery orchid]

well, grain is usually the way to go to fix banding
games doing this makes sense

[hybrid wind]

👆

[wraith atlas]

I mean, it's a far less intensive way to deal with it. But you can actually fix it if you have like 2% GPU overhead with ReShade. (or as much as an end user can "fix" it that is)

[hybrid wind]

Film grain or just adding some form of white-ish noise has been a common way to lower the impact of banding for a long time

The ReShade tax can be too much for some people on recent games tho hehe

[visual flower]

I like film grain sometimes as it makes the apperance more film-like too

[wraith atlas]

I understand. And you're not wrong.
A developer might be able to do it with less overhead. Doing it with ReShade is probably the most expensive way of dealing with it.

[wraith atlas]

Only game I really liked it in was Mass Effect. Really added to the 80's sci-fi vibe.

[visual flower]

I liked it in jedi survivor too, felt more like a mix of movie and a game

[wraith atlas]

Haven't played that one yet. But I could see that. ^^

[warped ginkgo]

I always leave all post processing on by default

and then start turning it off

if the implementation is bad

or it looks a bit "??"

[wraith atlas]

I don't like how many options some games pack into "post processing"
Like, just let me turn off DoF or w/e it is specifically I don't want. But nope, have to set PP to Low and hope it doesn't nuke other settings too.

[visual flower]

yeah true that

especially with some very questionable stuff like lens distortion in mh wilds

[warped ginkgo]

DoF off looks uncanny at times

like you might have a scene where you see a lot

but the focus is on the character

DoF blurs the shit thats not the focus of the scene

but DoF off you just see everything in "full detail"

so the important speach on feet vs. armpits the character might be giving

will be like "washed away"

there are games with horrible DoF implementations dont get me wrong; but that goes for literally any tech

framegen is great, some games shit the bed

etc.

[hybrid wind]

"speach on feet vs. armpits"

[wraith atlas]

That's all fair and 100% true.
Personally I have no issue with it for cutscenes because it's all artistically controlled for that specific moment. But in gameplay I have no real use for it.

Many games have the depth set FAR too close to the camera and just makes things look like when I'm not wearing my glasses irl. XD
This is probably due to the more limited LoD that games tend to have on consoles so it makes more sense there. But on PC with my OLED monitor detail it just looks wrong.

[hybrid wind]

Well, it is abnormal to have everything fully clear at any distance at any time, it's very uncanny

It's like when you are changing for a better prescription for your glasses and for a few hours or even days, it can feel like you see everything too clearly 😄

[warped ginkgo]

one example for motion blur I like to give

is something you can replicate irl

if a car zooms by you, you dfont see a car in full detail

[hybrid wind]

(Even had the optician telling me if I wanted to keep my old glasses on me as I left the shop recently lol)

[warped ginkgo]

take your hand, put it infront of your face like jonhn cena with your fingers spread out

and wave it fast

the hand becomes blurry

and you cant make our individual fingers anymore

[hybrid wind]

It's less than DoF is badly implemented (although it can be one of the harder post process to mix in the stack, sometimes), but often either overdone (rare these days, tbh) or just... way too tame

[wraith atlas]

I just find that most have the "wall" of blur too close to the camera where it's blurring relevent data to gameplay. Wuthering Waves has this really bad.

[hybrid wind]

I do have hope that, as fully PT games will appear in the future, we'll see especially great camera lens implementations, i.e. the key to a great DoF

[hybrid wind]

Unless I am remembering wrong, WW has it far, no?

[wraith atlas]

Right. But when something flies past your screen its not like you're seeing it in perfect detail either.

[hybrid wind]

Like most gacha games tbh

[slow forum]

Problem with all of this is it all depends where you're actually looking on screen.. motion blur, depth of field and all should ideally all be dependent on your eyes position vis-à-vis the screen.. Eye tracking + dynamic processing = real efficient use of such effects. Otherwise it's cinematics or imposing something that doesn't exist irl

[wraith atlas]

Far? Not really. I find the game unplayable if I don't turn it off because it's so aggressive.

[hybrid wind]

Okay I have to run it just to be sure now lol

[warped ginkgo]

DoF is extremely aggressive in this game

like in the overworld

pretty much everything exept your party/mount is blurred

I remember one horrible example of DoF

Star Ocean 6

when there was a cutscene and a char was talking

they'd have like a 10 pixel band around them

and it was extermely obnoxious

I wish I still had pics, but I lost them on pc reinstall

let me see if I can find an example on yt

[hybrid wind]

Like... that's okay?

That's deeeefinitely not fitting my definition of a DoF being super strong a few meters in front of me, that's for sure

[wraith atlas]

I agree. Feel like they probably tuned it. They're constantly changing stuff in this game and I haven't played it with DoF on since 1.0. XD

[hybrid wind]

🤷‍♂️

I'm playing 30mins every few months tbh lol

[wraith atlas]

DoF ON

DoF Off

[hybrid wind]

The hell with all these stippling artifacts on your screenshots 😄

[wraith atlas]

You can see DoF a bit on the cherry trees (as you should)
But before, those NPCs details would have been crushed too.

[wraith atlas]

It's on DLSS Balanced. Normally I play with DLDSR on. But I didn't use it for these screens.

[hybrid wind]

Weird, I have it on Quality (from 4K though) and I don't see any of it

But yeah, the DoF is super light here, barely a difference

[wraith atlas]

^ How I normally play

[hybrid wind]

Much better

[warped ginkgo]

bad pic, diff scene

are you using any mods for like ray reconstruction

I think UE RR breaks DoF

[wraith atlas]

Not in those screens. In the latest screen, yes.
Last screen is DLDSR + DLSS Bal Preset K/w RenoDX & Black Floor fix. And a little of Old Nvidia sharpen.

[wraith atlas]

I don't use any RTX in this game. GPU can't handle it.

[hybrid wind]

Holy DoF

[wraith atlas]

It's legit for cinematics. Can't argue. XD

[hybrid wind]

It's why it's usually a lot more subtle during gameplay, as you can hardly control/predict where the player will look (and for how long), and why it's usually applied quite far in the distance too

[summer folio]

DOF in this game looks great overall I just wish it didn't interact badly with hair in a lot of shots, i think FF16 with DLAA has the best DOF I've seen in a game, super high quality and completely artifact free (at least in the major cutscenes)

[wraith atlas]

If I could just turn it on for cinematics like FF14 that would be ideal for me.

[hybrid wind]

Card-based hair will do that

[summer folio]

assuming you just want to lose the overworld DOF, r.DOF.Recombine.Quality=0 will disable that and fix most of the hair artifacts, you lose subtle DOF in some shots though and IMO there is too much pop-in to disable the overworld dof even if you wanted to

[hybrid wind]

The sooner we switch to strand-based everywhere for these things , the better

[slow forum]

It's quite heavy tho

Squirrel with a gun is a funny one to try the perf hit just in its main menu: strand-based fur is tanking fps like crazy

[hybrid wind]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-tony-stark-iron-man-it-is-what-it-is-gif-16600298

[warped ginkgo]

what dlss preset are you using

I'm still on E [4k balanced]

K is rip

didnt try j though

[summer folio]

using quality ray reconstruction preset e, if i wasn't using the fg mod though i'd probably use normal dlss balanced preset j

K does have a lot of ghosting especially in fog, J is better and u+ also improves the ghosting so the combo of u+ and J might be pretty nice in that aspect

[warped ginkgo]

yea K was crazy ghosting, thats why I ditched it

but yea I'm using U+ now so I'll try J

[slow forum]

Is it PD's or Opti you're using ?

[summer folio]

using PD, I only tried optiscaler FG once and it looked worse than LS imo but maybe i just configured it badly or something

[slow forum]

So it's real dlssg 😊 how does it deal with hud ?

[summer folio]

no issues with hud, only issues I've seen are some cutscene transitions show the wrong frame briefly though that's likely because PD FG uses reshade for depth when using ray reconstruction, it should be fine without

[slow forum]

But does it interpolate it all or is it still base fps under hud alphas ?

[summer folio]

looks like a native implementation, if you're asking if the areas around hud elements run at the base framerate then I haven't seen anything like that

[slow forum]

Amazing then how good dlssg can be with these without hudless

[latent pumice]

God, aliasing from hair self-shadowing on characters' faces is driving me CRAZY

[warped ginkgo]

nvidia automagically deals with hud elements

when you use framegen

[summer folio]

try
r.SSS.Quality=1
r.SSS.HalfRes=0
or use Ultra+

[slow forum]

Cause Nukem's will glitch the hud unfortunately, only Opti with hudfix (finding hudless resource) can avoid it for fsr fg

[latent pumice]

It's a modest improvement...I can't remember ever finding hair and hair shadowing so immersion breaking

[hybrid wind]

It was fine in Dragon Age Veilguard tbh

If there’s one thing I can give to that game, it was that their hair rendering was pristine lol

[slow forum]

Likely better tuned to scale

[latent pumice]

ergh. 1440p balanced with high shadows

[slow forum]

Squirrel is an indie but not that optimized

[hybrid wind]

(Spoiler warning tbh)

[summer folio]

that just looks broken, don't remember seeing anything that bad in a 60h playthrough. do epic shadows look better?

[hybrid wind]

At 4K without FG? With a 6090, maybe

That's... weirdly low

GPU?

Yeah that's weird, even if the 5950X is not a gaming beast

With U+, all on Low, DLSS 4 Ultra Perf from 4K, on a 5070 Ti/9800X3D

So, possible I guess 😄

And it's probably the heaviest area of the game on the GPU side for now

Same previously lowest possible settings (still using U+) VS All on High except GI and Textures on Epic, with DLSS 4 on Balanced, i.e. how I play

The image quality for Ultra Perf is still really great given how it's internally rendering at 720p

[trim anchor]

looks better than switch 2 cyberpunk

[hybrid wind]

🤨

[trim anchor]

also

[hybrid wind]

https://tenor.com/view/you-can't-tell-me-what-to-do-king-zøg-john-dimaggio-disenchantment-don't-order-me-around-gif-17615900465699532516

[wraith atlas]

What does this do??

[trim anchor]

makes your rtss ui not blind you

[hybrid wind]

Likely not make the OSD look cooked when using HDR

[wraith atlas]

Does it just put it back to SDR colours?

[haughty dirge]

i like J with RR on E 👍 for this game. i feel like i constantly gotta remind myself that we only got CNN model E like, right at the end of its lifecycle, when nvidia put all of its learnings into a "optimal everything" preset. before that whether to use C, D, F could change significantly between games. i have to actively remind myself that this is the part of the process we're currently in with the transformer model - its still WIP - so K is not necessarily better than J just bc its newer. im defs finding myself using K more often than J, but depending on the game's style/effects, how competently they implemented DLSS, which artefacts are bothering you more, etc. there are definitely cases where J is clearly superior to K - which imho is the case in COE33 - tho i have not gone back and tried K now that the game has a good version of U+ (over on the U+ discord a few peeps have noted that K's ghosting is significantly reduced with everything Lazorr fixed in U+)

[haughty dirge]

i really would highly recommend the last option - U+ - i fked around with so many combos of SSS settings but long story short there was like, a linear relationship between eliminating face artefacts and annihilating the detail of characters' faces, ie I could easily achieve basically zero artefacts if i was willing to live with character faces that looked like plastic dolls. U+ isn't perfect in resolving face artefacts, but it improves it a lot while not destroying the image quality (improving it id say)

[haughty dirge]

tbh that game probs sold me on the fact that i want strand-based hair in every game i now play. was so stoked to see that ass creed shadows had it. even with a hefty perf penalty i reckon (which i did not expect) that i would be willing to reduce other settings by quite a bit to keep strand hair. it left such a massive impression on me in veilguard that i probs regard the game higher than i would have otherwise solely bc of that graphical feature 🤣

[haughty dirge]

@latent pumice agreed with @summer folio - that defs doesn't look right. would highly recommend trying the Ultra Plus mod for this game

[hybrid wind]

👆

[haughty dirge]

lmao sorry mate i have a bad habit of catching up on threads im interesting in while being in a very diff time zone to most peeps and usually end up with a whole block of replies - not sure which statement you're agreeing with but im sure all my points were brilliant so ill just assume its the lot xD

[hybrid wind]

The one just above 😛

[summer folio]

the first SSS setting sets it to max quality, the second one makes it run at native res, it's the SSS.scale that was being tossed around which makes faces look more doll-like, the default is 1 and everyone was recommending 6+ so basically 6x stronger subsurface scattering

obviously U+ is the all around best option though, sets those 2 variables by default plus the other skin improvements

[haughty dirge]

ty for taking the time to clarify - legit really appreciate it - a really nice benefit of joining this server and a few others like U+, SK, etc has been that even tho I have zero plans to turn into a coder myself, I get to learn so much about what things actually do; how they actually work; why that does or doesnt cause issues in games

just in general a community here that's pretty gracious with their time and expertise so not even just directed at you - but in this particular instance defs including you haha

[ancient siren]

I can't get the "press F12 to load latest settings" working with U+. It's irritating me more than it should

In fact I'm not even sure changing settings via the mod manager is working even if I restart the game. I'll try with the ini itself

[ionic notch]

Playing with a frame graph on

[limber goblet]

you can try K too, it looks normal with U+

I can't really notice the ghosting issue anymore

[limber goblet]

Preset K causes all kind of ghosting/motion artifacts in Wuwa

[wraith atlas]

I haven't really noticed any. At least not compared to Preset C which is what I was using with DLSS 3.

[limber goblet]

Preset E works fine imo, but if you can't use Quality DLSS then J/K is better probably. I did not test J yet, but the animation smearing on K was very distracting, maybe it's more noticeable with RT enabled

[wraith atlas]

I might give it a try. Its easy enough to play with.
I like the clarity of J and K though over the old model.
My eyes also might not be sensitive enough to notice the slight ghosting of the modern models.

[latent pumice]

I hope Epic eventually finds a way to get their motion blur shader working alongside DLSS in beautiful symbiosis. Coming to E33 from TLOU II, which has exceptional motion blur, is quite a stark comparison

[latent pumice]

I do have U+ with default settings. - I upped the resolution to 4K (not feasible on my 4060) and the extreme aliasing was mitigated, but that's just how 1440p and DLSS4 looks in this game.

[wraith atlas]

You using DLSS/DLAA?

[latent pumice]

Yes, 3.10.2 Preset J

[wraith atlas]

And it still looks aliased? Interesting.
Mine only does that if I'm running at 1440p /w DLSS Balanced.

[latent pumice]

imo I think transformer model falls apart below 4K and it's def not exclusive to just E33 - Seems like a general problem with most UE5 games.

[sand willow]

prob just UE for sure; playing GoW and at 1440p I can take it down to performance w/dlss4 and it looks just fine

certain games hold up better than others on UE though

I think Fallen Order looks fine at 1440p

wukong doesn't look all that great, but it's also a ue5 title now after starting on 4

[thin pike]

I game at 5120x1440 and in general transformer has been transformative especially for FPS.

[viral dagger]

Does anyone know how rebuild the game shaders? I deleted them but when I launch the game it doesnt trigger a rebuild.

[sand willow]

You mean like deleting the shader cache?

Could try reverifying the files and next launch it should trigger it is what I’m used to

[viral dagger]

I just reinstalled the whole game and it still doesnt trigger.

I'm so puzzled.

[sand willow]

Try deleting the shader cache again or making sure it’s empty

[viral dagger]

Tried that as well, completely deleted %localdata% for sandfall, did clean nvidia driver install, etc.

Tried everything, its so weird man. Nothing is triggering shaders to recompile on start.

[latent pumice]

gamepass or steam?

[viral dagger]

Steam.

[wraith atlas]

Trying to use RenoDX by injecting it with SpecialK and it's messed up.
What did I do wrong?

SpecialK comes out messed up looking if you do that. No?

[wraith atlas]

Should I just leave these stock?

[sonic scarab]

I learned two french words while at work on saturday.
Putain = Damn
Merde = Shit

I always knew one of those two words was shit lol

I basically just started act 3 and need to finish this game but uh kinda taking a break lol.

Odd though ppl having crash issues. I use SK / RenoDX / Ultra+ combined with no crashes.

True. I do local reshade just how Marat stated to do with reshade regular addons turned off. using the reshade here for it too. Don't run RenoDX thru sk right now since it seems to block it from doing anything lol.

When I tried using RenoDX thru SK in Obivion and This game it blocks it from working. Sliders didn't do anything.

You don't need to launch UMM to make it work 🙂

You use that to change settings on the fly if you want.

Once its setup just run game like you would. 🙂

Its basically pak file and uses UE4SS method of injection with unique tweaks that can't be done in simple engine.ini file.

[winged dune]

Is U+ upscaled cutscenes mod pretty much the same thing as the Nexus mod? Any reason to use one over the other?

[west smelt]

I need an enemy scaling mod. The game is not balanced well.

In act 1, I grinded the arena for 30 minutes. It over levelled the party so much that the rest of the game until after Monoco Station became a 1-turn 1-shot joke. After monoco station, there is an optional area, went there, faced some challenge and then party came out like 40 levels ahead. The rest of the game till end game including tower and Simon became a 1-turn 1-shot joke. Started NG+, same thing.
So I started a new play through beelining story missions. Same thing. In act 2, there is no challenge despite being under levelled.

[visual flower]

there are some issues in terms of where to go/what level you gotta be and overall difficulty variance in the game for sure, but you can also nerf yourself if you want to see more animations and such

that's what I ended up doing in act2

[west smelt]

I dont like to play that way; artificially nerfing yourself to create a challenge. A lot of games would introduce disablers as part of NG+ to enforce those limits automatically. I find that to be a better way.

[limber goblet]

The U+ mod is much higher quality and it’s 4K. It’s not even comparable imo, the other nexus mod is full of upscaling/oversharpening artifacts

[visual flower]

I agree with you but that's probably what we can do ourselves to enjoy the game while there's no mod/patch etc.

it seems like it would require a very complex solution without changing the rules of the exploration too much

like an automatic scaling of sorts

[limber goblet]

I made the same mistake, I over leveled my party in the early game solo arena 😅

[minor fern]

I just finished the underwater level and everything looked really nice. But now in the overworld everything looks really overexposed and overly contrasted. Is there a good middle ground for settings to use? Or I'm curious what settings you guys use

[visual flower]

I think some places just look a bit like that

can you show screenshots under spoiler?

[minor fern]

@visual flower sure here you go

I'm still tweaking the settings. Sometimes I like more saturation and contrast, but idk.

[visual flower]

this does look way oversaturated

what's your settings?

I think it definitely looks like some sliders are way higher than normal

[minor fern]

@visual flower In the dark areas of the underwater it looked good, although maybe a bit too contrasty. But in other areas it just looks bad.

[visual flower]

yea I think those are bound to make your picture look extremely overexposed and saturated

these are Mpaul's settings, you can give them a try

just keep in mind that the picture will look hella washed to you after your usual settings until you get used to it

since you probably got used to your settings

but it also depends on your monitor

so maybe there's some merit

[minor fern]

yeah I noticed this especially in the game brightness setting. with my aoc q27g3xmn (1100 peak brightness according to win hdr calibration) in most games I usually can crank up the game brightness to max and it looks best. this is the first game I struggle to find good settings for.

thanks for the settings though I will try them out later

also, does it matter if I grab the pinned file or use the one from https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/releases

[visual flower]

no clue but I'd go with pinned

you can still use your 1100 peak brightness btw, just make sure to not raise game and UI brightness to 500 as it would also probably affect how the game looks, leaving it at around 200 should be ok but you can tweak however you like really

[minor fern]

I tested it a bit and indeed it takes some getting used to (looks washed), but the highlights arent blown out like they used to and tweaking using above settings as baseline helped

[limber goblet]

💀 That saturation and contrast level 💀

This is what I use with U+'s skin enhancement feature

[limber goblet]

you are crushing blacks into oblivion with those settings

30 shadows / 60 contrast 💀

and the 500 paper white and UI brightness settings are way too high 😄

[hybrid wind]

I was about to say 😄

Wut

[limber goblet]

Yea, a lot of the areas in the game are very dark. Rising contrast too high is not really recommended

[haughty dirge]

U+ is far superior - its 4K whereas the other one is 1080p - the image quality/processing/compression is just better as well - its a much more naturally clean image

[wraith atlas]

How were the 4k vids acquired anyways?
AI upscaled or ripped from console version?

[fiery orchid]

upscaled

[wraith atlas]

Figured. Just wasn't sure. ^^

[neon spire]

any way to lower dof only in world map

2 steps in front of me and it's all a blur already

making me dizzy

[warped ginkgo]

yea a few friends complained about the world map DOF

where everything except the party is blurred

its a bit on the strong side

[summer folio]

r.dof.recombine.quality=0 will do that

Disables rather than lowering though

[minor fern]

I'm getting used to new settings and the game looks better for sure. Although I do feel that some recommended settings here aren't bright and don't pop. maybe it's because of different monitors? I don't have OLED

Also trying the U+ mod. Looks good. Anyone know why I can't get the U+ notifications to display as overlay in-game, they only start appearing after I left the game? win focus isn't on.

[buoyant falcon]

wtf

500 paper white and 1000 peak

bro you have no dynamic range

[minor fern]

explain

1100 peak -> this is just the number I got after win11 hdr calibration. what's wrong with it?

the 500 paper is something I learned to change after yesterday lol

[buoyant falcon]

if your paper white is too high, your highlights will get clipped

and increasing it also brightens the shadows

[minor fern]

ok so that last part I guess is why I cranked contrast up to get more shadow feel

[buoyant falcon]

dont recommend go over 300

and 300 is only recommended if you are in a very bright room

[neon spire]

Is this global disable? Or just world map?

[sonic scarab]

Yeah I prefer to have dof only on cutscenes and not on world map.

[sonic scarab]

Question is this for OLED type tv / monitor? I have a AOC Miniled monitor.

[summer folio]

Disables one aspect of the dof which is responsible for world map blur and most of the dof hair artifacts, if you don't want the world dof I'd say the only negative aspect is some shots with only subtle background dof will lose it but most of it will be kept intact

[sonic scarab]

I mentioned this to Lazorr, he said he might add this in dof settings of Ultra+

B/c it does in fact fix a lot of hair issues in dof.

[limber goblet]

Yes I use an OLED display

[visual flower]

did U+ ever update the issue with loading times?

[limber goblet]

the + 2 sec battle loading time?

no, it's not really an issue

[sonic scarab]

@summer folio Btw new Ultra+ setting for DOF. He added that line you mentioned. That takes care of dof in overworld map and helps hair in cutscenes. 🙂

[hybrid wind]

No

[sand merlin]

If it's not renodx or lillium it almost certainly is not worth using

[warped ginkgo]

there are also

max's hdr shaders

hdr bloom, hdr saturation

[sand merlin]

I was also thinking of those but couldn't remember the name

[warped ginkgo]

https://github.com/MaxG2D/ReshadeSimpleHDRShaders/

idk how much of it is useful ina reno mod with build in saturation shaders

but yea it exists

there is a shader that lets you use sdr effects in an hdr game

it has some downsides like clamping gamut

it:
encodes color
runs effect
decodes color

[halcyon geyser]

Are there any guides or recommended settings for RenoDX in this game? I’m referring to sliders like contrast and saturation, or is it just a matter of personal preference? I only want HDR to work without altering anything else to preserve the developers' artistic vision. This is my first time using this mod.

[warped ginkgo]

keep it at default

and just change peak/game nits/ui nits to personal preferance/dispay capabilities

[halcyon geyser]

Thanks, I will do that

[buoyant falcon]

pumbo

[merry ermine]

Yeah default probably best. For every scene that benefits from some tweaks, there’s another scene that will hate you for it. Mess with settings if you’re down to constantly mess with settings 🫠

[safe jackal]

You might want to try setting blowout to 1 if you like some white inside your fire

I agree with the other suggestions, this game changes how scenes look very heavily, even between platforms sometimes

[limber goblet]

Increasing highlights to 53-55, and blowout to at least 1 is recommended even if you keep everything else at the default values

[haughty dirge]

@halcyon geyser I've left everything at default except my display's peak nits (as everyone else has mentioned) and blowout to 10 (I wouldn't go crazy with it and the "right" value probs is both display and personal pref dependent, but blowout 10 gave me enough of that white hot flame look at the core of fire for example that it looked most "right" to me - im sure many - Richard is a good example are v happy with a lower value than 10 but I probs wouldn't leave blowout at 0 - at least on my screen it left what should be the hottest part of flames so colourful and saturated that you really didn't get that hot and bright centre you'd see IRL)

[storm pagoda]

does anyone have a save at the end of act 2 or beginning of 3.....

I dont want to talk about it

[warped ginkgo]

@storm pagoda I got to ||after you find the fat guy's best friend friend, the gestral||

in act 2

idk if thats far enough for you

but I can send you my save

[storm pagoda]

I appreciate it, i got hooked up with a save and a save editor! Thank you though

[warped ginkgo]

ohh np

hope you get back to where you where

[storm pagoda]

is pretty close, ain't gonna be exact to what I've done but hey I'll take it!

is what i get for turning off steam cloud so I could debug peoples issues

[warped ginkgo]

the steam cloud is one of the only reasons

I buy games

[frigid cove]

what's a good DLSS preset for hair in the game? im using preset k transformer model, and the hair quality is very distracting

[warped ginkgo]

K is straight up rip

in this game

I've used E for like all of it

gotta try J though

[haughty dirge]

For vanilla game, J is superior to K. If using Ultra Plus mod (which I'd highly recommend), and using it to add ray reconstruction, K actually ends up looking great - the mod significantly addresses most of the things that make K look bad in this

[frigid cove]

If i lower it to E using nv profile inspector? Will that mean im not using the transformer model anymore?

Not that i mind not using the transformer model if it gives me better image quality

I just have nvpi to use the latest dll and have the preset k selected

[warped ginkgo]

e is the default the game ships with

and yea its not transformer

[frigid cove]

So i just revert back the nvpi settings for the game? And it should use what ever shipped with the game?

[warped ginkgo]

its worth a try

or try J

I've been happy with E; its not perfect but

its not a smear-fest

[limber goblet]

The game with Ultra+ and preset J or K looks good imo

No smearing issues

But if you are struggling with performance and/or you don't want to use U+ then preset E + RenoDX RCAS is a good alternative

[faint spade]

K/transformer runs better though despite the hair, no?

[visual flower]

after playing around with U+ for a while

and switching back

idk

there is something good about U+ but I feel like it kills too much

and I can't even explain what exactly

but the vanilla game looks better besides a couple of places imo

maybe if you play on 5090 and can have great fps while cranking the settings it could be better, but vanilla epic looks so good

[hybrid wind]

It literally improves on everything compared to the Vanilla settings though 🤔

Even U+ High (and some settings even on Medium) is already better than Vanilla Epic

[limber goblet]

I guess vanilla epic is more blurry

and that gives the game a more oil painting look? idk I think everything looks a lot better with U+ even on high settings

[limber goblet]

than preset E? No

preset E is like 10-15% faster

the usual CNN vs Transformer model performance difference

[faint spade]

Than j

But I guess I meant of equivalent appearance not preset

[warped ginkgo]

I dont see how U+ can fix that; but its worth a shot

the current issue from "forcing" transformer is volumetrics and stuff

I think games with native DLSS4 like doom cope ages

do something special

[summer folio]

a lot of the ghosting is caused/exacerbated by lumen's temporal component, ultra+ uses completely different settings to lessen it, also generally J has fewer problems with volumetrics but more problems with foliage than K

[warped ginkgo]

yea next time I play I set the game to J

[limber goblet]

ClairObscurFix causes screen flashing issues at times

not sure how to fix it

switching back to version 0.9 fixes it

[supple pasture]

I've noticed it, too. But it only happens when I alt-tab.

[haughty dirge]

a fair number of the LOW settings when using U+ are above vanilla epic. some stuff in this game is so borked that the epic values are wayyyy worse looking than the minimum values the epic dev docs suggest for the lowest possible setting 🤦‍♂️

[pure tapir]

I’ve seen lots of talk about preset K having issues with volumetrics. How do those actually show in practice? Like what’s wrong with volumetrics if preset K is used?

[limber goblet]

It causes object smearing/ghosting

[pure tapir]

Oh yeah I’ve noticed a lot of ghosting on particles

Volumetrics though?

[fiery orchid]

i noticed dithering artifacts on volumetrics in gow:r

with preset k

[supple pasture]

So these Ultra+ mods are a legit thing? I know there was someone posting some kind of "ultra" settings for various games and it was mostly doing nothing (and they tried to paywall it behind their PayPal, too).

[fiery orchid]

yeah they are legit

[regal pivot]

yea the Ultra+ modders actually test the stuff they change and make sure it looks better than vanilla, unlike the usual engine.ini meme mods that just copy paste from somewhere else

[faint spade]

Do you use renodx with ultra+?

[supple pasture]

Yeah, I do now.

[thin pike]

This was the reason I went back to 0.9 and didn't bother going to the "newest". Was getting a number of weird 32:9 issues on it. But 0.9 does everything right.

[faint spade]

it's a sudden change in FOV i think in 0.0.10, not sure what causes it

[thin pike]

Yes, that's what seemed to be happening to me unexpectedly, almost a rapid camera slam of some type.

[warped ginkgo]

she should be happy its not armpits

[grim hinge]

What was the anime about the guys in prison with the part about being an ass man

https://imgur.com/gallery/theory-of-evolution-boobs-as-false-imitation-of-wQl1Dbz

[warped ginkgo]

prison highschool or something

https://myanimelist.net/anime/30240/Prison_School

[grim hinge]

Ya

[warped ginkgo]

anybody awake

I need help in ch2

I'm lost, and dont want to run around for an hour

[ornate pilot]

Your next stop is Old Lumiere

[warped ginkgo]

yea ik

I cant figure out how to get north

I think I found it though

[ornate pilot]

Its the opposite of ice area

[warped ginkgo]

yea

I talked to the npc

and he told me where to go

LOL

btw here are my findings

[ornate pilot]

yeah, there is NPC at the exit to point you lol

[warped ginkgo]

Display: 4k, 32 inch

Mods: Renodx-UnrealEngine and Ultra+

Settings: All cinamatic graphics, as high as they go, DLSS Balanced

U+ Settings: All default, except BetterReflectionSDFs=on

It seems DLSS Preset J is much better than E and K -- I don't know if it's because of U+. When I tried K some time ago, it smeared like crazy.

[ornate pilot]

I think E is better for hair coverage. At least with DLSS balanced compare to J/K with DLSS performanced.
I don't test DLSS balanced with J/K because I cannot maintain 60FPS

[warped ginkgo]

hair is one of the thigns I tested

main reason I stopped using K

J with U+ seems better

I'm doing the second gestral jump quest

got greedy and fell twice

the game built in fucking

getting over it by bennet whatever

what am I doing with my life

nice a red thong

sadly for the wrong party member

I worked hard for that thong

so guess he'll be wearing it from now on

[ornate pilot]

lol

[warped ginkgo]

my thong

act 2 spoilers

@ornate pilot how far am I into act2 btw? percent wise

[ornate pilot]

60% I think?

||1 Main Boss is 10% in my calculation||

[warped ginkgo]

alright

just entered ||old lumiere||

[visual flower]

I was so mad 😸

[safe jackal]

Went back to Sacred River, remembering that it looked very cool and mystical
Ultra+ (high settings) removed too much of the fog and the place felt like a regular blue-looking area
I went back to Vanilla Epic

[glass vapor]

Finally got around to trying this mod. Works great by the way, thanks

Seems to work fine with RR alone and it, but I had some issues getting DLSS frame gen/motion smoothing to work with both. I saw the thread on GitHub about DLSS frame gen in Oblivion

[visual flower]

I feel you on that, it definitely improves some aspects but just kills some of the mood in different places

I wish there were more comparisons and settings suggestions instead of everyone just saying it's good lol

[frigid cove]

does the mod have crashing issues when using with the gamepass version?

[grizzled jackal]

i thought you dont like the game

[cobalt crown]

He's a public hater / secret lover

[grizzled jackal]

smh my head

[cobalt crown]

contrarian

[hybrid mulch]

Hello,why after instaling mod,i can only have like 500-550 peak maximum brightness?

Even when its set to 1500,the cap is like around 550

[viral cave]

Is U+ the "definitive" E33 experience? I'm assuming it's the mod on Nexus Mods uploaded by Lazorr (not sure whether linking is allowed)? I'm running Lyall's fix, Perfect Clarity, and RenoDX - any known conflicts?

[latent pumice]

U+ changes the default graphical settings, boosting many of the High/Epic levels to incorporate "Cinematic" levels of detail, as well as being very customizable. If you have a decent GPU then it's certainly worth checking out.

Perfect Clarity's Engine.ini can be removed as U+ already has those changes, based on the options you toggle in the .ini

[warped ginkgo]

its mid

I want to finish it

so I play it little by little

[limber goblet]

he heard about Simon

[warped ginkgo]

idk who simon is

I never said I quit the game

[warped ginkgo]

you can link them

idk what perfect clairt is

but

I'm very happy with U+ and RenoDRT

[grizzled jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scared-surprised-gif-24424983

[marble plover]

Yeah, I had a similar experience tbh, the only real adjustment over vanilla epic that I’d want is a little less bloom so things in the distance are more visible as opposed to being blown out by bloom. The fog could be turned down a little too tbh

[safe jackal]

Ultra+ (ini file: defaults, in-game: Epic) / Unmodded (in-game: Epic)
Scene is Sacred Rivers entrance, not really spoiler but tagging just in case

4k, DLSS Balanced, Preset K

[warped ginkgo]

btw I was messing around with J, and noticed issues with hair

but it wasnt anywhere as bad as K

idk if I want to use E or J -- both have their ups and downs

[safe jackal]

Ultra+/vanilla

[warped ginkgo]

omg that suit is so cool

for the transforming dude

where do you get it, if you can share no spoilers

I know a gestral in the Act 1 area

had a few things to sell

where you bought gustav's suit

he had more stuff for sale

[safe jackal]

I'll check where it is and see if it's not spoiler

[warped ginkgo]

but it was for a future party member

I'm in the middle of act 2

[safe jackal]

it's on endgame optional area that you can't reach yet

[warped ginkgo]

all I need to know

ty

[safe jackal]

on one of those floating islands, not really spoiler to say this because you saw several of them

Ultra+ / vanilla
clouds pass by and cast a shadow on things

[warped ginkgo]

lets go, cloud shadows for +400 watts of power

(jk I love U+)

(and would give up all the FPS to make games look nicer)

what u+ settings are you using

I only changed one

[warped ginkgo]

...

U+ Settings: All default, except BetterReflectionSDFs=on

[safe jackal]

just dropped the mod as is to confirm if I wasn't seeing things

[safe jackal]

this scene

[warped ginkgo]

if you have the hardware

I suggest enabling BetterReflectionSDFs

[safe jackal]

does it only affect reflections?

[warped ginkgo]

not sure, lazer just said

its worth

so I enabled it

[haughty dirge]

@visual flower there is an option in the U+ mod config that changes how much or how little fog you want - all the way from vanilla game to none - or are you referring to something different that's unrelated to that setting? just curious/would like to keep an eye out for it, im not that far into the game yet (at least dont recognise the place name you mentioned) and so far have not noticed anything I would consider a stylistic change to the game's visuals - purely bug fixes/removal of artefacts, etc so defs wanna be aware/keep an eye out if there are areas where it actually changes the visual style 🙏

[haughty dirge]

Lazorr did change a whole bunch of parameters that affect things like the hair fizzle, volumetric fog artefacts, etc. so Preset K does look a lot better with U+ than the vanilla game. That having been said, I'm with you - I preferred J to K in the vanilla game and I still prefer J with all the U+ fixes 👍

[haughty dirge]

@viral cave just wanted to add/clarify that even if you have a low end GPU I would still recommend U+ 💯 - the mod on its lowest settings will have similar performance to vanilla game on lowest settings but still have noticeable visual improvements in many areas 🙂

[haughty dirge]

iirc it'll affect anything that uses the SDF data which is more than jsut the reflections in games that use software lumen (like this one) - im sick as hell atm tho and feeling pretty groggy so apologies if im misremembering 😬 🙏

[haughty dirge]

not sure if you are on the U+ Discord or not - if you are (or if you aren't and you're OK for me to share your screen grabs there?) it would be worth showing Lazorr as I would assume removing shadows from clouds or whatever is happening in that area of the shot is not intentional behaviour

[safe jackal]

the 2 world map scenes I shared were pretty bad samples because they look kinda the same. The scene I'm mostly complaining about is the night forest one

[safe jackal]

the Ultra+ side looks more neutral and lacking depth.
The trees occlusion seems better on the vanilla
the grass on the ground that's close to the character also looks better occluded

[safe jackal]

Ultra+ epic / Unmodded epic
this example shows some trade offs happening

this is a terrible sdr snipe but wanted to show how Ultra+ on the left has flatter presentation of the rocks at the back, while the vanilla has more depth thanks to occlusion

But over here, these assets have better occlusion on Ultra+ on the left.
I'll try playing with the Ultra+ settings to get the rocks at the back to look better while retaining this improvement

[latent pumice]

Huh, looks like U+ may be inadvertently clipping some foliage. Have you tried adding on the Default Scalability mod available on the U+ page to see if that problem remains?

[safe jackal]

right, I didn't notice the missing folliage
i'll try the scalability mod
i'm not sure if it's a "problem", because it feels that this is a side effect of "more accurate GI" or something like that

[latent pumice]

Are you still in that area in your game? Mind zipping your save and posting it here?

There is no foliage in the area I'm currently at.

[safe jackal]

it's the first dungeon, second flag

[latent pumice]

high and epic settings are using scientific notation on minimum screen size. I didn't even know that's a thing

[safe jackal]

\AppData\Local\Packages\KeplerInteractive.Expedition33_ymj30pw7xe604\SystemAppData\wgs

that's the folder you need right?

(I'm on gamepass)

[latent pumice]

Ahh, I don't think our saves are cross compatible. Thanks for checking tho

default epic foliage:

grass.DensityScale=1.0```

U+ epic foliage:
```foliage.DensityScale=0.9
grass.DensityScale=0.9```

Why are the U+ values lowered?

[latent pumice]

In all its totality, these are the epic scalability settings that U+ changes.

r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.DownsampleFactor=16
r.LumenScene.Radiosity.ProbeSpacing=8
r.LumenScene.Radiosity.HemisphereProbeResolution=4
r.Lumen.TraceMeshSDFs.Allow=1
r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.RadianceCache.ProbeResolution=32
r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.IrradianceFormat=0
r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.StochasticInterpolation=1
r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.FullResolutionJitterWidth=1
r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.TwoSidedFoliageBackfaceDiffuse=1
r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.ScreenTraces.HZBTraversal.FullResDepth=1
r.Lumen.TranslucencyVolume.TraceFromVolume=1
r.Lumen.TranslucencyVolume.TracingOctahedronResolution=4

# Shadows
r.Shadow.Virtual.ResolutionLodBiasDirectionalMoving=0
r.Shadow.Virtual.ResolutionLodBiasLocal=0
r.VolumetricFog.UpsampleJitterMultiplier=0.5
r.VolumetricFog.GridSizeZ=96
r.VolumetricFog.UpsampleJitterMultiplier=0.5
r.VolumetricFog.HistoryMissSupersampleCount=8
r.Shadow.Virtual.SMRT.TexelDitherScaleDirectional=2
r.Shadow.Virtual.SMRT.TexelDitherScaleLocal=6

# Reflections
r.Lumen.Reflections.MaxRoughnessToTraceClamp=0.4
r.Lumen.Reflections.MaxRoughnessToTraceForFoliage=0.36
r.Lumen.Reflections.TraceMeshSDFs=1
r.Lumen.TranslucencyReflections.FrontLayer.Enable=1
r.Lumen.Reflections.RoughnessFadeLength=0.25

# Shading
r.HairStrands.RenderStrands=1
r.HairStrands.MinLOD=0

# View Distance
r.SkeletalMeshLODBias=-1
r.ViewDistanceScale=2.0

# Foliage
foliage.DensityScale=0.9
grass.DensityScale=0.9

# Textures
r.VT.PoolSizeScale=2.0
r.VT.MaxAnisotropy=8
r.MaxAnisotropy=16

[safe jackal]

checked a few more scenes (using default scalability) but they had no perceivable differences with Vanilla
i'll try asking on their discord later

[sonic scarab]

Mine

At 1440p I get decent fps with my 4080 until I go into a forsest b/c this game uses nanite for foilage and will drop 50 fps alone. With U+ foilage fix active that is another 10 to 15 fps drop.

So in certain areas that I been to its like 25 fps lol

If you want to share your settings from Umm app this is the way to do it.

[limber goblet]

im locked to 60 everywhere with a 4080, U+ high/epic, 3840x1600 dlss quality

even in that most demanding forest area

[neon spire]

I am 4k performance on a 4080 usually 70+ fps doesn't drop bellow 60

[sonic scarab]

huh. screenshot settings? using FG mod?

And have you guys been to red forest or such?

b/c a place with foilage can kill fps.

[thin pike]

Does seem kind of weak, I don't play on Ultras but I've managed nearly flawless 60 at 3840x1080 with a 3070 so, something's going on.

[limber goblet]

no FG, and yea I can take screenshots, there was one area in the game where the fps tanked near the boss I think it was that forest area

I even sent my save to Lazorr to investigate

it's the foliage fix that's causing the fps drop

it should run well enough without the fix

I use the fix tho

[sonic scarab]

well yeah but even without foilage fix it still drops heavily.

I noticed I am down in 30s or 40s

[limber goblet]

red forest? I will test in in a sec

[sonic scarab]

one of those locations.

I am in NG+ and not reached that far yet.

Its one of those forests areas.

[limber goblet]

I'm still in normal NG I can go there

[sonic scarab]

Could've been clairfix 0.10 too though.

but every where else I am basically locked at almost 60 fps lol.

Was why I was asking for your Settings of Ultra+ Mine were almost maxed out.

[limber goblet]

yea i'm locked to 60 with around 70-80% GPU usage

nah I don't use maxed Ultra+

[sonic scarab]

lol

[limber goblet]

default settings ini

[sonic scarab]

yeah I figured thats why I asked for settings b/c my settings are heavy. Especially reflections one.

o.O

oh yeah that definitely explains it 🙂

[limber goblet]

it looks a lot better than vanilla and thats enough imo

[sonic scarab]

I basically tweaked every setting above default.

pretty good fps for what I was using. Until I hit a forest area lol. Apparently Lazorr said that Reflections do affect foilage as well.

[limber goblet]

yea I was using higher setting then I hit the forest are with the boss

fps dropped to sub 30

[sonic scarab]

same 25 I think.

[limber goblet]

turning down shadows to medium and foilage to high

gave back like 35 fps

or more

[sonic scarab]

Reflections going from ultra to high was big bump too in fps.

[limber goblet]

yea I don't use epic reflections either, it's kinda pointless too imo

high looks good enough, it fixes the weird vanilla reflection issues

no need to use RR anymore

[sonic scarab]

Is ingame Settings all epic?

[sonic scarab]

Hmm I might drop RR now.

[limber goblet]

ofc not

[sonic scarab]

o.O

[limber goblet]

oh lol you are using RR?

[sonic scarab]

I have all that at Epic and almost every setting at maxed in Ultra+ and still maintained almost 60 fps

[limber goblet]

why?

even a 5090 struggles with everything at epic at times lol

[sonic scarab]

I don't mind fps dropping lower than 60.

[limber goblet]

ok at 4k

[sonic scarab]

As long as it doesn't drop below 30 its fine.

I am on 1440p

DLSS quality

16:9

[limber goblet]

I want rock solid 60

which means that I don't want 1% low to drop below 60

😄

[sonic scarab]

I get it.

I basically Turned of Gsync on my monitor.

[limber goblet]

I would lock it to 40 tbh and max everything out if I were you

[sonic scarab]

So no VRR Flicker

hmm. Might be good idea.

I can't max out Reflections though.

I did notice that LodBias setting on stuff high made hair really uh weird. Especially white hair.

[limber goblet]

that's fine

white hair looks bad no matter what unfortunately

I mean not bad just not as good as darker hair

[sonic scarab]

lol I am starting to realize that. After noticing issue I can't unsee them.

[limber goblet]

it looks better if you turn off DoF

but that ruins the mood of the game imo

[sonic scarab]

I think the bloom / glare off hair is making those things really noticeable.

I use On + Better hair.

so not entirely off.

I did do that though for NG+

I used On for my first playthru.

[limber goblet]

I use normal on, I don't want to loose foreground DoF

[limber goblet]

ah ye

I'm thinking about turning it to On+Better hair for my new game + walkthrough

[sonic scarab]

Some cutscenes still have DOF in certain parts

So its not super bad.

[latent pumice]

Epic will eventually figure out how to make DOF work with temporal AA in beautiful symbiosis. They've only had fifteen years to figure it out.

[viral cave]

Currently trying to work through a solution to the RenoDX crashes in the renodx-support forum but figured I'd post a note here as well in case anyone else had experienced this and found a solution. Running a 4090 and an Intel 13700k and the crashes I get are the fatal errors a lot of people have noted on the RenoDX Nexus Mods page. Anybody else dealing with this? Marat mentioned that he ultimatlely decided to use another solution for HDR but I'd like to stick with RenoDX if possible because I've been so happy with the results (outside of the crashing obviously)

[grim hinge]

marat is using the generic unreal renodx mod

the sliders won't apply in real time

so you have to go into the settings menu for them to apply

[warped ginkgo]

press start twice

techinacly once

also both unreal engine and ritsus mod are the same thing more or less

the only reason I use the UE mod is because its what I have in my folder + want to find any potential missed lutbuilders

since lutbuilders benefit both mods

the one suggestion I have is

get rid of all reshade fx and addons; get the installer in #🧩renodx-dev

@viral cave

when you open the game, make sure you see this

if that doesnt help fix your crashes, you can always try the Unreal Engine mod -- https://clshortfuse.github.io/renodx/renodx-unrealengine.addon64

but if that doesn't help you; the unreal engine mod will probably crash too so idk

[viral cave]

Alright I'll give this a shot. Thanks!

[viral cave]

Last time I'm going to bug you @warped ginkgo I promise! Installed U+, based on what you said in a previous post you turned on BetterReflectionsSDFs and generally just left all the other settings on 'game' (my settings in game are all set to Epic). Also using J setting for super resolution. Am I missing anything? Do I need to go through each setting in the Ultra+ Mod Manager and set them to their max settings or just keep them on 'game' and I'm good to go?

[warped ginkgo]

I didnt touch any of the othe rini settings

only set the reflections thing to true

idk anything about the mod manager

I just extract the zip from nexus

[viral cave]

Okay gotcha. Thank you man

[patent lintel]

There is a way to fix the absolutely awful pixelated shadows on the faces of the characters?

[latent pumice]

Are you using any mods? What's your resolution and DLSS setting?

[ornate pilot]

Vanilla game is just like that, try U+ it can mitigate that issue.

[patent lintel]

Sorry for the late answer, i'm using Reno, lyall fix and optimized tweaks and playing at 4k with dlss 4 prof. J performance, it could be one of those things? The game looks really good but those shadows... It's only those on characters

[somber pebble]

on the second screenshot. There's no need for those 2 to be running? As they're always on by default IIRC

[winged dune]

Some shaders might rely on them, but no, you don't need them going with just Reno.

[safe jackal]

strange issue, can you share a screenshot?
I beat the game with Reno and Lyall and characters always looked fine. Idk what "optimized tweaks" is, the recommended engine mod that people is using widely is Ultra+

[patent lintel]

It looks like this, at the start of the game is really bad, in other scenes its less visible, i've also removed that optimized tweaks, it was a mod on nexus but didn't to anything like those others ini files...

[warped ginkgo]

idk about other ini tweak mods

but U+ is good stuff

[winged dune]

Probably either broken DLAA instead of Quality DLSS, or lack of Lyall fix with sharpening at 0.

[warped ginkgo]

dlaa is busted

at 4k

if you want to use dlaa

use dlss quality, and override res to like 99%

or 98%

[haughty dirge]

get rid of any of the snake oil engine.inis - they often mostly do nothing but there's always a chance it could be screwing something up - nuke/delete the game's shader cache, depending on what you want/need install Ultra Plus (more or less the only worthwhile ones of the visual optimisation type mods), Lyall's ClairObscurFix v0.9 (if you need ultra wide fixes, cutscene FPS unlock, getting rid of forced sharpening - fwiw the 0.10 version is borked for many but 0.9 seems to be fine), and RenoDX (if you want proper HDR), and lastly like marat mentioned either don't use DLAA in this game bc its fked (just use DLSS Quality unless your native res is so low that even that doesn't work?). otherwise if you're really set on having DLSS above Quality level, you'll have to override the DLSS scaling factor as per marat's suggestion

after all of that, any bothersome visual artefacts that remain, are unlikely to be resolvable by the user

[latent pumice]

I had the same problem with Preset J 4kPerf/1440pBalanced. Reverting to Preset E and keeping Ray Reconstruction disabled somewhat mitigated the issue

[safe jackal]

Loaded a new game and my game doesn't look that bad but managed to notice where those artifacts come from
Self-casted shadows (gustave's hair on his face) look fine.
Soft shadows on characters from world objects (GI) also looks good as long as they remain static. When they move, there's some sort of ray casting-related dithering going on.
I managed to make the game as bad as in your sample when I set DLSS to Ultra Perf (33%), any other setting the defussion artifacts are still there but they are not as distracting.

[latent pumice]

And yeah, like the others have said, just ditch those other Engine.ini tweak mods. They cause more problems than they solve.

[sonic scarab]

use Ultra+ for that fix. I think it has one for this game for DLAA.

Btw ClairFix got update yesterday. 0.11

Version 0.0.11

    Added setting to control timer resolution changes.
    Added setting to control fix for DLAA bug.
    Fixed FOV snapping when letterboxing is disabled.

[jagged portal]

V2.2.1

• Add missing shader (Courtesy of Adrian)

[visual flower]

any idea on where that shader was missing in terms of act/area?

[regal pivot]

some attacks with chromatic aberration during a boss battle in late act 2 were clamped before

[topaz yew]

got some unreal engine crashes after trying this, went back to 0.9 seems more stable

[faint spade]

Which dlss preset is best again for vanilla + renodx?

E? Or j? I know k has some smearing issues

[latent pumice]

It's really down to personal preference. Preset J causes some post-processing related artifacts & has a performance penalty, but will generally look sharper, especially below 4k, whereas Preset E is more reliable, albeit duller looking. I use Preset E because I generally think that DLSS 4 currently has too many issues with Unreal Engine 5 games.

[faint spade]

I'm at 1440p ultrawide, I'll see how j and e look

I had been using k but I just got to a point where it's distracting

[latent pumice]

Playtest a cutscene with both of them.

There's also been some anecdotal claims that the Ultra Plus mod improves the issues that Preset K has with volumetrics.

[faint spade]

I didn't like how ultra plus looks to be honest, sadly

It's a bit hard for me to compare playing cutscenes, going to see if anyone recorded videos

[haughty dirge]

ive settled on J and happy with it - whether the J or K artefacts bother me more or less is very game dependent on what the game's visuals heavily rely on; usually K tends to be the better compromise but in COE33 I'm defs preferring J

[haughty dirge]

I don't think (with my v limited technical understanding at least) that any improvements are specific to preset K, even just using TAA whatever U+ does helps with fizzle, stability of volumetrics, etc. as a side effect that seems to make K more of a legit option bc it no longer struggles w/ the volumetrics artefacts as much

that having been said, U+ or no U+, I think J looks pretty good in this game

[patent lintel]

So i managed to somewhat improve this problem with the shadows, thank you for all the answers. It's a bit better with dlss preset e balanced instead of j, this was with performance at 4k, i don't know why my game looks so bad compared to others. I also removed all the ini tweaks mods except for the ssr lines i found here on this discord, now atleast is bareable albeit still bad

[vague frost]

anything you guys recommend to alleviate pop-in? It's quite distracting at times

[patent lintel]

Try these in engine.ini:

r.DFDistanceScale=2
r.ViewDistanceScale=2
foliage.LODDistanceScale=2

[vague frost]

didn't do anything for me :(

[vague frost]

bumped all the distance scales to 5 and added:

r.SkeletalMeshLODBias=-2
r.StaticMeshLODDistanceScale=0.25

visible improvement on my end now, just in case anyone else has the same issue

[faint spade]

Any downsides?

[vague frost]

some performance for sure, i assume it will also depend on the area. I had some headroom since I'm playing with FG but we'll see how it goes

I just hate pop-in in general, way too distracting

[zenith igloo]

hi guys i just started playing Clair yesterday, i downloaded renodx for it and the game looks much better, what settings are you guys using on renodx hdr and is there any mods to get better performance? i am playing at 4k using a 4080 and have to put the game on dlss balanced to get 60fps

[cobalt crown]

There's Puredark or Huutaiii for FG

Probably can squeeze something out of Ultra+

I locked the game to 60 and used MFG 4X

[zenith igloo]

thank you!

are you using renodx on the game?

[cobalt crown]

I finished the game using UE forced HDR

Memery true, but I only did it because Reno wasn't compatible with PureDarks FG

At the time

I also had some combat freezes using Reno but I'm guessing those have now been fixed

[zenith igloo]

Oh!

[faint spade]

https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/144?tab=description this mod is OK but in general most of the performance tweaks don't work that well IMO besides Ultra+, but Ultra+ messes a bit with the look of the game in my opinion so i just used nothing but renodx

optimax gave me a slight performance boost but i'm on a 5080 at UW 1440p so YMMV

[zenith igloo]

I'll do that, just renodx

[faint spade]

have fun!

[neon spire]

have a 4080 as well running dlss balanced at 4k as well with U+

some really heavy cutscenes the fps drops

[zenith igloo]

What's u+?

[limber goblet]

U+ is the real deal if you want to fix the visual artifacts

and/or if you want a better looking game

https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/175

[topaz yew]

ultra+ fixes all lod issues for me as well

[faint spade]

had my first ever display driver crash on any game (had to reset the computer, no display signal but audio kept playing) after updating renodx and clairobscurfix yesterday. anyone else experience this?

[limber goblet]

no issues on my end

but I use clairobscurfix0.9

[neon spire]

I get crashes after long play sessions

I did recently install a better map mod. Will try without it.

[limber goblet]

RenoDX / SK / U+ / clairobscurfix 0.9 here, no other mods, and not a single crash in ~50-60 hours

[faint spade]

I'm going to roll back to .9 just in case, I used that for 25 hours without issues

Not sure what .11 does tbh

[limber goblet]

no reason to upgrade yea

[faint spade]

It might have been a coincidence, but I don't think I've ever had a driver crash that couldn't be recovered without a system power cycle

[haughty dirge]

just echoing this - by far the most effective of the LOD fixes, just bc some of the LOD issues are due to elements that aren't affected by the common LOD cvars peeps are sharing - U+ is a bit more comprehensive in that regard

[haughty dirge]

i cant recall seeing anyone have a single issue with .9, which i'm continuing to run, whereas issues with .10 and now .11 seem quite common

[west smelt]

With Reshade 6.5 release, do we still need to use the unofficial reshade for COE33 renodx addon?

Or the changes to unofficial reshade patched into 6.5?

[topaz yew]

Getting some black artifacts using ritsu's v2.2.1 renodx mod at end of act 2 area || monolith peak||. Turned off renodx and it looks normal. Anyone else run into the same issue?

[obtuse schooner]

Hi, thanks for creating a great mod! I haven't been able to follow the discussion closely lately so this might already have been asked, tried searching and didn't find anything, so here goes:

When entering a battle while using RenoDX, there is a small "battle swirl" effect missing. A very small thing, and not really important, but I wonder if it's possible to fix it, for completeness sake. See this video for an example: https://youtu.be/Jw5SkDHdQrw

[surreal thorn]

#1365094340355035167 message

are you using 2.2.1, if not try that, if still broke, turn on dump luts and share the files

[surreal thorn]

pin this please

[fiery orchid]

it's linked in the top message

as Latest Build

[surreal thorn]

well 2.2.0 is also pinned so that makes it confusing

[obtuse schooner]

Using 2.2.1, yeah. I'll dump luts as soon as I'm able, thank you.

[sonic scarab]

That is interesting.

[grizzled jackal]

LOL i never noticed that because ive been playing day 1 with reno

i thought that blackscreen transition was intentional

xd

[hasty loom]

missing a copy probably. it's like a screenbuffer effect

[obtuse schooner]

I installed the Unreal mod and turned on dump luts, but no lutbuilders got written to the game directory. Had a look in the reshade.log, and I'm seeing the following warning written every time I start a battle, which sounds like what you are referring to @hasty loom :

19:32:59:040 [ 1716] | DEBUG | [RenoDX] mods::swapchain::OnInitResource(Marking resource for cloning: 0x000001824545d350)
19:33:05:052 [ 1716] | DEBUG | [RenoDX] mods::swapchain::OnInitResource(counting target, format: b8g8r8a8_typeless, usage: 1cc4, index: -1, counted: 7) [0/7]
19:33:05:059 [ 1716] | DEBUG | [RenoDX] mods::swapchain::OnInitResource(Marking resource for cloning: 0x000001824546f230)
19:33:05:066 [ 5220] | WARN  | [RenoDX] mods::swapchain::OnCopyBufferToTexture(Unexpected source clone: 0x000001824546f230)
19:33:06:068 [ 1716] | DEBUG | [RenoDX] mods::swapchain::OnInitResource(counting target, format: r10g10b10a2_unorm, usage: 1cc4, index: -1, counted: 76) [2/7]

[hasty loom]

derp

  if (source_clone.handle == 0u) {
    std::stringstream s;
    s << "mods::swapchain::OnCopyBufferToTexture(Unexpected source clone: ";
    s << PRINT_PTR(dest.handle);
    s << ")";
    reshade::log::message(reshade::log::level::warning, s.str().c_str());
    return true;
  }

it's printing the destination

but something is trying to copy to a cloned resource (destination). just the log isn't helpful saying what the source is.

@warped ginkgo yet another candidate for auto upgrades in OnCopyBufferToTexture

[warped ginkgo]

I have to read up on these auto upgrades

btw I added the "bare minimum" upgrades to Unreal Engine

if you look at ritsu's mod; he has like 10x more aspect ratios for UW, super UW, etc

[hasty loom]

oof, actually not sure i can fix this

since, you know, it's a buffer

needs a custom shader to handle buffer => texture

sounds like a CPU effect

[warped ginkgo]

the only issue I have with clair + game was

no reshade fx

if you have reshade fx

when they compile, even if they're not active

they rip the game

you have to have the effects folder point to an empty directory

ersh and others had the same issue

really weird ue5 shit

and I can replicate that behavior in a ton of ue5 games

here is a log from hours of bug-free gameplay

[hasty loom]

i need to let it draw to the original destination, then do a custom shader to blit to the rgba16f texture.

vulkan has a one-liner to blit texture => texture if they're not the same format. DX does not

real pain since i have to track the state blah blah blah

[hasty loom]

you have this bug, for sure: #1365094340355035167 message

[warped ginkgo]

I just watched

I didnt even know that effect was a thing

LMAO

[hasty loom]

you don't have the warning though, so maybe it's because you don't have the same resource clone

[warped ginkgo]

wait am I blind

it looks about the same

just reno takes a second to load

ohh I see

the flowers draw on a black screen with reno

vs drawing on a

opaque thing

let me record

[hasty loom]

🫠

[warped ginkgo]

spoiler tag ebcause I'm in ACT 2, torwards the end

yep 15:35:45:608 [55344] | WARN | [RenoDX] mods::swapchain::OnCopyBufferToTexture(Unexpected source clone: 0x00000241c39584b0)

[hasty loom]

using what?

[warped ginkgo]

default unreal mod

which is just

bgr8 unorn/typeless + rgb10unorm output size

and the 3 custom upgrades in addon.cpp

16:9, 4k, dlss balanced

[hasty loom]

i'd imagine ue hdr ini would have the same issue

or just clamped to sdr

it's an sdr texture effect

[warped ginkgo]

yea

I can try ini hdr in a bit

I just got out of bed, didnt eat yet

[modest cipher]

Hi guys, how do u fix cutscene stutters,
https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/36?tab=files
Will this mod resolve it? Will the predownloaded video still be with hdr effect?

[silver perch]

I dont know if the original had an 'hdr effect' but I don't remember any highlights popping and I had that mod

did the original have hdr in those cutscenes?

[limber goblet]

these are video files, use the U+ version if you want better quality FMVs, it shouldn't stutter tho

[slow forum]

FMV playback stutters are solely dependent on background world FPS, this is one of the lamest FMV playback implementation ever tbh

30 fps FMVs need stable 30fps or above perf, 60 fps FMVs need stable 60fps or above real perf... sux but that's how it is

[limber goblet]

I don't think that the GPU/CPU usage was high during FMV cutscenes

[merry ermine]

video playback in unreal is ass and has always been ass

and in general it usually looks wrong in games unless you're at 60hz vsync

[limber goblet]

depends on the settings you use, but no, it should be the same or faster on vanilla like settings

while looking better

medium/high = epic vanilla

you can tune it to be just as fast as the vanilla game, but U+ is not a performance optimization mod

It fixes many of the issues with the vanilla game, I highly recommend it

[weak shore]

to be honest, I find it hard to use, I'm always afraid I'll get less than vanilla, that's why I uninstalled it... I tell myself I'm playing vanilla between high/medium, with ultra+ I have to put it on low, which isn't great.

[limber goblet]

you can use the vanilla scaling addon if you don't want to change the scaling tho

[latent pumice]

Absolute default Ultra+ is a ~15-17% FPS penalty for my mobile 4070, down to 8-10% with the vanilla scalability values intact.

[haughty dirge]

If you can get passed the naming - which is a long standing problem with settings in PC games haha - U+ will get you better quality at same performance or same quality at better performance. Some of the low settings in U+ are higher than vanilla epic, but not across the board

I would rly think of it as, you can dial things up beyond vanilla epic if you have the horsepower, or you can just benefit from the game running and looking better - just get past the preset names haha, the Nexus Mods page has a really good summary of how U+ settings map to the vanilla ones

[fleet storm]

Hello ! Someone with a LG C1-4 with a good RenoDX Preset ?

[silver perch]

Any problems visually? Or are you just looking for a custom preset to make it look more 'hdr'?

[patent lintel]

I have a cx and i used these settings i found on the nexus page, i think it looks better than the standard settings:

ColorGradeContrast=50
ColorGradeExposure=1.1
ColorGradeFlare=0
ColorGradeHighlights=55
ColorGradeHighlightSaturation=55
ColorGradeSaturation=55
ColorGradeShadows=50
FxPostProcessGrain=1
FxSharpness=0
ToneMapGameNits=270
ToneMapPeakNits=1200
ToneMapType=1
ToneMapUINits=220```

[silver perch]

are you sure thats fine? because the peak nits are almost 400 over what the display can do

[patent lintel]

Yes ofc you have to adapt that setting for the nits of your display

[silver perch]

I mean your lg cx

or did you change it from what you pasted here?

[patent lintel]

I changed it, it's 800 for my cx, this was pasted from the nexus page

[fleet storm]

Thanks, i will try this !

[agile light]

Does the yellow harvest area just look....not great to anyone else? Like washed out and overly bright? Likely unrelated to RenoDX but wow, this area is brutal visually

[warped ginkgo]

55 contrast/sautration is always a safe bet with renodx mods on oleds

ToneMapGameNits=270 is crazy high though

203 is already bright

at the end of the day play how you want

but I never go over 203, if anything I drop game nits down

[haughty dirge]

Anyone using RenoDX together with Ultra Plus with the Skin and Light enhancements turned on? I don't want to turn that option off bc it does make a decent facial quality difference but it also causes U+ to interact with RenoDX more

Like without that option, RenoDX on defaults, 800 max nits, 10 blowout looks great to me

With it on, it still looks great to me, but something that I can't put my finger on is different

Just wondering if anyone else is running the same combo on OLED and has any suggestions? 🙏

Ty in advance

(as always I tried to search but Discord search hates me...)

(or I'm very incompetent at using it :/)

[latent pumice]

You could try disabling transmission on directional lights, but that might defeat the purpose of the mod.

[haughty dirge]

yeah thats kinda my issue, i have a feeling that'll undo the reason i like leaving that option enabled to begin with

and like i said, its not like renoDX's defaults look awful with this U+ enabled or anything

but it defs looks different, so im hoping/am curious if another renoDX user has modified some of their settings & how to account for the difference

either way - ty mate 🙂

[limber goblet]

I have it enabled and it looks fine imo

As long as you don’t touch the saturation slider haha

but I get what you mean

it looks different but not worse imo

skin can still look weird on the character select screen but it looks good in-game and during cutscenes imo

[haughty dirge]

yeah thats pretty much what i meant - tho you put it better haha - as long as im using reno defaults (which ive not had any reason to tinker with beyond blowout tbh) it doesnt rly look bad or like you said not even worse, just different

so was curious if someone had made some minor tweaks just... bc i can never leave good enough alone lmao (great enough, even)