✅RenoDX: Clair Obscur - Expedition 33

[pseudo mist]

Can use reno & u+ at the same time yap?

[sonic scarab]

yeah. In oblivion you want to lower Contrast b/c Ultra+ for game already makes game extra dark.

They can go hand to hand.

[pseudo mist]

Okay cool thanks for the info

[sonic scarab]

usually both devs work together on some things too.

[pseudo mist]

Oh

[wild bone]

I seem to get freezing cutscenes quite frequently using RenoDX, anyone else with this issue? Also running lossless scaling for framegen.

[west smelt]

What is this U+ everyone keeps referring to?

[sonic scarab]

I linked it above.
#1365094340355035167 message

but there is one for this game. that is about to release soon.

[safe jackal]

No crash, no frezzes in the last 30 hrs or so. Only using Reno and the Lyall fix

Gamepass version, windows 11 24h2, 5700x3d/4080 (576.02 nvidia drivers)

I noticed only some shader compilation stuttering here and there

As suggested before at some point, I deleted reshade-shaders folder and disabled all addons aside from reno.
I'm using the reshade that's included in the zip (dxgi.dll)

[warped ginkgo]

where is clair's ultra+ mod

and is it stable?

its not on the nexus

[trim anchor]

^ still the latest version

it will be on nexus soon though

[warped ginkgo]

is it stable?

[trim anchor]

so keep an eye out for another update

idk

[warped ginkgo]

lets try it out

[trim anchor]

I think the main issue with it rn is some areas with a lot of foliage tank in perf

ah wait nvm

[warped ginkgo]

I already installed that

do I want something else?

[haughty dirge]

i dont want to detract from the conversation any further either, but i think its fair to say your assessment is right on the money, and if you look at his actual comment instead of projecting whatever your thoughts are on his personality (this is not directed at you mate, just at the conversation around your comment), he is a solo dev with a very complex project that's expected to fix A LOT of different things for A LOT of different games and its completely understandable that he is specifically sick of people who enjoy the fruits of his labour for free inundating him with support requests for a project that isn't his project. not only do patrons continue to receive the same support he's always provided, if youre a long time SK user/have been a fossil on their Discord for years (like me at this point) this is not the first and im sure wont be the last time that he has this reaction because of exactly the reason you stated and just like every other time, time itself will sort things out as SK and the Reno guys have had a very productive relationship previously

just want to provide some context - i know peeps love internet drama - but this thing is getting blown way outta proportion

[haughty dirge]

for me latest version of U+ is perfectly stable if not using rayreconstruction (and more performant)

[warped ginkgo]

whats latest

[haughty dirge]

when using RR there's an additional large performance hit, but the visual difference is worth it imho, and stability has been fine on my end (maybe one crash every few hours vs no crashed without it); that having been said there's other peeps on the U+ Discord who seem to be getting a lot more crashes when using U+ so hard to be sure of the cause atm

[warped ginkgo]

RC6?

can you forward it here?

[haughty dirge]

tho from what i can tell reno and U+ are fine together with RR, it seems to be using Puredark's FG mod + RR that causes lots of instability

[haughty dirge]

will do gimme 2 mins sry phone ringing

[warped ginkgo]

np

[storm pagoda]

is live on Nexus

[warped ginkgo]

ohh?

I just went on nexus an hour ago

link please

[sterile monolith]

https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/175

[warped ginkgo]

ty

[haughty dirge]

https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/175

[warped ginkgo]

I can just overwtite my old version I guess

[sterile monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/it-looks-like-you-are-too-slow-too-slow-slow-sonic-super-mario64-gif-15088929

[storm pagoda]

make sure you read the bit about scalability

[warped ginkgo]

I'm on a 5090

I read the ini

; F6
; lighting_mode_controlled/x32/x24/x16/x8; allow users the ability to downsample the lighting more than the mod allows by default, it will be applied after other lighting settings - this is one of the settings that impacts performance the most
LightingDownsampleFactorOverride=x24

this seemed to be the craziest one

[haughty dirge]

still useful info bc lots of peeps getting caught out by the fact that the mod changes the scaling of all the in game performance presets

like when using U+, some things look better on low than vanilla game epic

[warped ginkgo]

oh?

I thought scalability as in

performance scaling

[haughty dirge]

so ppl who were using epic previously and now continue to use epic are 🤯 that their frame rate is fked

[warped ginkgo]

I have everything set to game

default ini

so whats the tl;dr -- ngl I dont want to dick around too much

[haughty dirge]

esp with your card id try that was the starting point plus whatever your in game settings were

[warped ginkgo]

my game settings where cinamatic

as high as they can go

[haughty dirge]

the tldr is if youre not happy with FPS, you can turn any of the in game settings down to medium and it'll still be equivalent if not better to vanilla epic

[warped ginkgo]

dlss balanced

[warped ginkgo]

so why use U+

[haughty dirge]

anything above that - like high - is already in cinematic if no exceeding it territory

[warped ginkgo]

we'll see

as long as I get 60 its fine

[haughty dirge]

U+ is interacting with the in game sliders

[warped ginkgo]

or I'll set dlss to performance I guess

not a big deal

[haughty dirge]

thats one of the diffs vs just engine.inis

lazorr changes the settings behind the ingame settings, in addition to the stuff in the mod ini

[warped ginkgo]

we'll see how it goes

I'm not using the FG mod

just Reno (unreal engine, not ritsu)

[haughty dirge]

like say you were running epic global illumination setting in the vanilla game - once you have U+, the ingame epic global illumination setting will be past epic's cinematic settings, plus all the other changes/fixes from U+, whereas the medium setting for example will still look better than vanilla's epic, bc lazorr has bumped up what the presets do in addition to adding further fixes etc

[warped ginkgo]

as long as I can get my 70 fps

its fine

[storm pagoda]

I have a 5090 and get well above 70 with everything maxed

[warped ginkgo]

14900k + 5090

[haughty dirge]

dunno if english second language thing or me just too tired but i dont think i can explain it any better than lazorr did on the nexus mod page scalability section - just keep in mind that the in game presets do not correspond to what they do in vanilla, theyve all been changed

[warped ginkgo]

good to know

[storm pagoda]

x16, epic lighting

[haughty dirge]

so if you turn something down, likelihood is its still higher qual than vanilla

[warped ginkgo]

also I went above 70 too; but 70 felt like the best lock

[haughty dirge]

either way ou'll be fine on your card xD

[warped ginkgo]

lower = better?

ohh its downscaling

not sample count

ok yea

so the ini out of box is better than stock right?

[storm pagoda]

there are a couple places where super dense foliage can cause drops, but that is because I fixed the foliage so....

[storm pagoda]

yes

[warped ginkgo]

I'm honestly not somebody who likes messing with settings

beleive it or not

[haughty dirge]

one of the reasons lumen looked so garbo in this title - even at epic GI they had it set to 128 i believe?? whereas you really shouldnt go past x32 even when optimising for performance

[warped ginkgo]

like even when I make reno mods, I try to make sure people have to change as little settings as possible

[haughty dirge]

some bizarre vanilla default choices

[warped ginkgo]

I like everything being plug and play

[storm pagoda]

you should turn on better reflection SDFs

[warped ginkgo]

which one is that

[haughty dirge]

should be first setting in the ini

[haughty dirge]

how heavy is that? bc imho on should probs be the default

[storm pagoda]

that's fine until I have users with rx580s and 2060s..... or ones with 5090s

[haughty dirge]

unless itll completely fuck non xx90 users

[storm pagoda]

it can't be on by default cause it will fuck 8GB cards

[warped ginkgo]

this? ; game/off/on; improves quality of SDFs in reflections especially through translucent objects for a high VRAM cost (>1GB) and a few FPS
BetterReflectionSDFs=game

[haughty dirge]

understood

[haughty dirge]

yep change to on

[warped ginkgo]

done

btw one suggestion for the inis

lable what the defaults are

or game defaults if there is one

so something like

; game/off/on; improves quality of SDFs in reflections especially through translucent objects for a high VRAM cost (>1GB) and a few FPS 
; DEFAULT: game

lets giveit a go I guess

I'll endorse the mod when the 15m time limit is up

I really appreciate the help

so thanks

[haughty dirge]

appeciate your politeness but if theres one person who has to thank me never and ill still be in their debt its probs you lmao

the amount of help and advice youve provided over the years and continue to 👍

[warped ginkgo]

[haughty dirge]

and agreed on this - and i know lazorr has thought about it before, might have been when we were discussing avowed on the U+ discord - part of it is just figuring out what language/descriptors/etc would work across the family of mods who have different authors and even diff game engines - i think everyone agrees this is an area that can be clarified/improved just needs to be done in a way thats as consistent as possible across the U+ ecosystem

for lack of a better word

[warped ginkgo]

lyall does that with his fix mods

[Sharpening]
; Adjust "Strength" to control the intensity of the forced post-process sharpening.
; Valid range: 0 to 2.0 Game Default = 1.0
Strength = 0

its just nice to know what the mod default and maybe game default (if it applies) is

not a big deal though

[storm pagoda]

well I havent had anyone scream at me yet within 30 minutes of release

so all in all

things are going well

[warped ginkgo]

ima fire up the game in a bit, so I'll let you know

[haughty dirge]

couldnt find a knock on wood emoji so you get this msg instead xD

[haughty dirge]

great example tbh - i do like the layout and context the way its presented in those

[warped ginkgo]

I love not seeing my character's reflection in the mirror @clear turtle

also U+ seems to be pretty solid

[clear turtle]

😩

[warped ginkgo]

how I level up (act 1 spoilers?)

are there any good Sciel face mods?

[pearl wagon]

Okay so with my LG C2 and this whole ycbcr thing... I just need to change it to this?

And do I need to change this video colour setting back to limited as well?

[elder void]

Use the red beret you unlock for her in-game. Suits her perfectly.

[warped ginkgo]

didnt get that yet, was hoping of just like

one that makes her look better LOL

[hybrid wind]

Pure degeneracy right there

[pseudo mist]

Iam going to try U+ hopefully everything goes well

[warped ginkgo]

I've been playing for a bit

once I got a "freeze" not crash during a combat scene; and then second launch it worked just fine for hours

the program didnt stop responding or anything, just stuff stopped happening

[pseudo mist]

Ahh i see

[warped ginkgo]

it could've been the game, or reno/reshade,

so I dont want to say its U+'s fault

[pseudo mist]

Do i have to remove my engine.ini tweaks b4 using reno? Hm

[warped ginkgo]

if you have any hdr related ones; yes

as for the other ones idk; I dont use ini tweaks

[pseudo mist]

I meant to say U+ mb 😆

r.DOF.Kernel.MaxBackgroundRadius=0.025
r.MotionBlur.Amount=0
r.SkeletalMeshLODBias=-7```

[warped ginkgo]

no idea; never used U+ before this

u+ seems to already do everything you'd want in terms of making the graphics better

so I'd suggest a clean engine.ini to be on the safe side

[gaunt hearth]

Is it worth to use U+ if I don't have a Nvidia GPU? Feels like that mod is strongly based on Nvidia features

[slow forum]

Apart from Ray Reconstruction, U+ for Clair Obscur is purely just standard UE5 features tweaking.

[west smelt]

Same with me! I have never had a single crash!

[elder void]

U+ is not even using RR, right? Just the RR .dll alone costs like 25% perf. on its own. haha.

[west smelt]

So we use the same one as Oblivion or is there one for COE33?

[gaunt hearth]

Is U+ smart enough to disable that if it doesn't detect an Nvidia GPU?

[slow forum]

Dunno, ask @storm pagoda (he's the author)

[elder void]

Did this get tweaked down? I've read many comment spraising how good the skin looks with U+ now and latest changelog was about the skin so... Wonder.

[slow forum]

I guess MPaul would be able to tell the before and after

[warped ginkgo]

or close

are the bubbles for these chets usually far apart

I'm blind a.f spending half an hour now looking for bubble 3

[pseudo mist]

Wdym by this btw

Iam thinking of disabling DoF atp

[pseudo mist]

No they're pretty close

[warped ginkgo]

guess I'm just blind then

[pseudo mist]

Like if u spot one em and can't find the others look for em right n left from the bubble u saw

Rarely they be inside some boxes which u might have to break ( you would hear the audio fx of the bubble )

[warped ginkgo]

found it

was behind it LMAO

[pseudo mist]

[pseudo mist]

Check nexus

[limber goblet]

whats wrong with her face?

[warped ginkgo]

not anime enough fo rme

[limber goblet]

Well this is not an anime game lol 😅

She looks good imo, her look fits her personality too

[limber goblet]

I have no issues with it now, but I had to lower shadows to medium and the DLSS preset to balanced

that fixed the massive framerate drops around dense foliage

and I’m using preset K it works well with U+

[somber pebble]

what are your in-game settings if I may ask? What res + gpu?

[slow forum]

Heretic ! 😛

[somber pebble]

Annoying cause this game shouldn't be "this demanding". I mean even 5090s struggle

[limber goblet]

High/Medium/High/Medium/ Epic/Epic/Epic/Epic/High, 3840x1600, RTX 4080

[somber pebble]

I've got all on Ultra at 4K + DLSS Preset K on Balanced. Had to do it cause Quality + U+ with all the goodies fluctuates too much

[limber goblet]

Default u+ ini but I reduced fog/bloom to 80%

[limber goblet]

I locked it to 60 fps and it’s not dropping under 60, maybe during cutscenes but I don’t notice that

[pseudo mist]

alright

maybe i can use fsr now

[limber goblet]

Xess should look and perform better

if DLSS is not an option

[warped ginkgo]

FSR is finally relevant again with FSR4

[limber goblet]

in this game at least

[warped ginkgo]

I think before that, there was no reason to use XeSS instead of FSR

maybe if you needed framegen, and FSR FG was tied to FSR upscaling

[pseudo mist]

My gpu is too old for that sadly

[pseudo mist]

so far lol

[warped ginkgo]

might be "too old" for ultra+

[pseudo mist]

not that old i can manage

xD

U+ would help with v old gpus as well no? cos u can go v low (lower than vanilla)

[limber goblet]

FSR4 requires a RX 9xxx card

[limber goblet]

you can

especially with GI

Low GI looks a lot better with U+ than with the vanilla low preset

[slow forum]

*90xx (9600xt can't for example)

[pseudo mist]

why is dat

[slow forum]

RDNA4 only (for now)

[pseudo mist]

With vanilla all epic + xess ultra quality i used to get 50-60 frames most of the time

[pseudo mist]

ah

oh yeah

[weak shore]

should we disable filmgrain in-game for the renodx grain ?

[limber goblet]

yea U+ should work fine then

[slow forum]

No, RenoDX lets you choose which to use

[elder void]

Is this present still or just noticeable in the menus?

[dry sundial]

does ultra+ also have RR?

[pseudo mist]

View Distance - only accessible via the graphics quality preset

So the top most setting (Presets something) should be epic , if i want View Distance to be epic?

[slow forum]

Yes, gotta put the RR dll next to SR

[limber goblet]

I have to test the new version, but it was more or less a character menu issue, but I have to test it in more areas too

[dry sundial]

whats SR?

[slow forum]

Super Resolution

nvngx_dlss.dll

[pseudo mist]

where u at? I can test some areas for you

iam finishing act 2*

[limber goblet]

yup

[pseudo mist]

okay thx

[limber goblet]

yes, but it’s not really recommended to use. U+ fixes the issues with the vanilla denoiser

except if you own a 5090 or maybe 4090

RR still smears the faces a little

[slow forum]

Wait even on your 4080 RR is too big of a hit for you ?

[limber goblet]

it is

[slow forum]

😢

[limber goblet]

20%

[slow forum]

ouch

[limber goblet]

reflections look better but everything else looks good with the default denoiser imo

[slow forum]

I guess it would only help with performance if HW Lumen was in use

[weak shore]

i dont see that option

[limber goblet]

oh yea probably, like in Oblivion Remaster

[weak shore]

renodx say filmgrain is only for cutscene

[slow forum]

Oh, mixing up my Renos ig, my bad sorry

[weak shore]

the game option doesn't say that

[slow forum]

In Cyberpunk's Reno, Film grain set to 0 is vanilla's film grain, 1 is off then anything above is Reno's

Haven't checked for this one, I always disable that shit, I hate film grain lol

[somber pebble]

NVCP/NPI or RTSS?

[wild bone]

btw uncapping cutscenes definitely messes with lip synch IMO. I found it quite distracting and have re-enabled the 30FPS cap. Combined with frame gen via Lossless scaling, I still get smooth cutscenes but the lipsynch isn't completely off

[limber goblet]

SK haha

[somber pebble]

You sure it's the unlocked framerate's causing that? Cause I did notice that and thought it was literally how the game was (been using Lyall's since day one)

[somber pebble]

Ah ok 😄 I never use SK even though I know it's an insanely powerful tool cause always found it super confusing, never really know what I should really do with it lol

[wild bone]

I ran the same cutscene with and without the cap, and with the cap in place, it felt like things were more lined up.

I didn't have a way of measuring it apart from watching the same scene back to back

[limber goblet]

I have it unlocked and the lypsinc is fine? Maybe one of the patches improved it.

[visual flower]

lipsync is definitely not very good but I have not tried the 30 fps lock

[wild bone]

The animation, with the cap unlocked, is ahead of the voices by about 0.5 seconds it feels to me.

But it's just 'feel' as I'm not able to measure it. But try running a cutscene where you get a closeup of someone's face, with and without the cap, and see the difference

[limber goblet]

RTSS should work fine too, no need to use SK if you are using the ClairFix mod

I’m in ACT 2 now and I was surprised that the lypsic is not too bad. Cinematics run at 60 fps, more or less, so I guess that helps

[wild bone]

On the lip synch thing I would be interested if anyone else had the time to do the same test I did - find a cutscene where you get a closeup of someone's face, or just one where it seems particularly obvious that lip synch is messed up, and compare with and without the cap. For me it seems quite an obvious difference that it's more aligned with the cap, but I admit I could just be seeing what I want to see.

I also found frame gen (lossless scaling) + cap keeps the lip synch correct, while making cutscenes smooth

[pseudo mist]

btw wat did u keep ur dis at

just curious

[limber goblet]

x24

[somber pebble]

interesting

[somber pebble]

yeah I am, on latest version.
I have a love / hate relationship with RTSS. In some games it works well (framerate capping) in others it doesn't at all, like actual hitching galore. As some games their in-game limiter works better and others it's just straight garbage. absolute state of pc gaming

[somber pebble]

I'm on act 2 and noticed this as well. Act 1 were much worse

[storm pagoda]

well other than more or less completely minimizing skin changes to try and fix an artifact at the cost of everything else with last minute, think things are going well lol

[slow forum]

Lazorr, what's SDF already ? Totally forgot what it stands for

[storm pagoda]

Signed distance field

[slow forum]

Kinda tied to BVH for RT notionally or am I wrong there ?

[storm pagoda]

Basically is just a shitty estimation of objects

For offscreen stuff

[slow forum]

Oh ok, so rather more like cubemaps

[storm pagoda]

If you can find a reflection like when you first start the game its easy to notice the increase in resolution

It's double vanilla

[slow forum]

Nice 🙂

[neon spire]

Engines are getting heavier. People really should stop saying this.

[dry sundial]

anyone have trouble using puredark after adding ultra+?

[slow forum]

It's still a basic workflow that shouldn't take that much out of a 5090 tho

[dry sundial]

i get a crash everythime i try to load

[slow forum]

Not like Wukong PT not optimized at all (UE5.0 nv branch)

[neon spire]

Instability is a different thing

Obviously optimization still matters, but no UE5 game I have played gives me a lot of performance. Best I can wish for is not too many stutter

[slow forum]

That's more like a prayer than a reasonable expectation #StutterStruggle

[neon spire]

I mean been stuttering since UE4 I think at this point one should just give up on expecting UE to feel good. Not even a major version fixed the issue.

[dry sundial]

yea pure dark refuses to work with ultra +

anyone have fix?

[limber goblet]

lol…

[dry sundial]

whats so funny?

[limber goblet]

that pure dark refuses to work with ultra+

[dry sundial]

well that is what is currently heppening...

[limber goblet]

or you mean the mod? and not the person

[dry sundial]

i didnt change anyhting besides adding ultra plus now i get a fatatl error on startup

[gaunt hearth]

lmao

[dry sundial]

the mod dude

[limber goblet]

haha

[surreal thorn]

dont use pure dark is the obvious one

kinda silly how many mods this game really needs
sk+reno+ultra+lyall
ok i guess sk not required really but still

[unborn locust]

ill take FG over ultra+ lol

[dry sundial]

yeah it getting fucking dumn

[limber goblet]

Yea, I mean if the base fps is lower than ~50 then FG is not that great, and if your FPS is higher than 60 lock it to 60

[dry sundial]

this games performance is trash

[slow forum]

Only collab he ever did was with Razed (Natural Vision Evolved) afaik

[lost egret]

games are getting heavier to run/less optimised at a faster rate than raster and even upscaling can keep up with

[surreal thorn]

no, game devs are just getting squeezed on time unnecessarily

also this is a small team and will have less years of experience as a result

[slow forum]

Plenty of Ubisoft experience this one tho

Including layoffs

[neon spire]

Yeah but no. Time constraint on devs is not new believe it or not

[surreal thorn]

that doesn't mean shit if they are working with a new engine

[slow forum]

Fair

[dry sundial]

why wouldnt ultra plus work with hsi FG mod?

[slow forum]

But they aren't rookies at all

[surreal thorn]

obviously

their tech guys might be rookies

optimisations take a long time

obviously their artists can cook

[neon spire]

Rendering has gotten more complicated they offload more to the engine. Some studios probably don't even have engine experts. My guess

Which is honestly what you want, that way you don't have to have engine wizards to make a functional game. But UE just sucks.

[slow forum]

🤞 CDPR fixes UE 😅

[unborn locust]

i justed fired up the game with ultra+, puredark fg, lyalls fix and reno fine - can see ultra extensions doing its thing in the ue4ss console window and fg is working

[dry sundial]

can you shoot me your file list?

i cant get it wokring at all

[unborn locust]

i dont think ive renamed any of these dlls,

dwmapi.dll = ue4ss
dxgi = puredarks reshade (has to be)
dsound = ultimate asi loader (doesnt matter if lyalls or puredarks)
winmm = dlls tweaks

[somber pebble]

Hm.. just saw this. I'm on latest version and don't see this? Only RCAS

[dry sundial]

any chance you throw this into a file for me to downlaod?

[unborn locust]

i can, ill dm it. tried a shader cache reset to force a recompile? delete .upipelinecache and .ushaderprecache in %localappdata%\Sandfall\Saved

[storm pagoda]

FWIW I just published an update

That reintroduces skin stuff I broke and adds support for a new performance add on

Add on turns off the foliage rendering fix which should improve performance in places if you are struggling

[dry sundial]

atleast my game turn on now but for some reason the pure dark menu will not pop up

figure it out

it was fucking microsoft defender

apparently there is an issue with PD build 4 and defender

[storm pagoda]

[buoyant falcon]

how is everything maxed out

[storm pagoda]

the problem in these places is the foliage rendering fix more or less, turning off foliage literally gets me 45 more fps lol

there is an optional add on to turn off the fix if you want

[limber goblet]

massive fps drop like 40-50% higher GPU usage

But there are only a few high demanding areas in the game, so far

[pseudo mist]

I tried playing on everything max at the end of act 2 ||the paintress fight|| and my fps in battle was like 45 xD
During the cutscenes i got around 18-25-31 fps 😭

[storm pagoda]

Thinking about implementing combat detection that reduces shadow quality and foliage density

[merry ermine]

I actually kinda get it with this one. Her character model feels…unfinished? Maybe it’s the way she animates. Even in cutscenes she feels kinda uncanny in a way other characters don’t. Well, Maelle is like that sometimes too.

Sometimes they look like some unreal engine ass characters

[limber goblet]

Their eyes are weird, the eye shading is not the best

and yea the animations can look weird too

[limber goblet]

why are you playing at max settings then lol?

[merry ermine]

Doesn’t help Sciel that in what was basically her character introduction back at camp, the lip sync was broken to the point that lips didn’t move….unless that was a bug on my end lmao

[limber goblet]

Lipsync is not that bad, it was bad during the intro and half of act1 maybe but the camp scenes looked fine, so it’s something on your end

[merry ermine]

Guess that scene got bugged 🤷

[hybrid wind]

Unfinished how?

[merry ermine]

Hard to say, I’m not a 3D modeler or anything so I have no clue what makes her character in particular come across in a more uncanny way than the others

I think mpaul might be right and it’s the eyes

[visual flower]

I think Sciel looks perfectly fine

she's just an oddball

[pseudo mist]

I was testing some stuff

I just finished the game I dont think iam going to recover for a while 😔

[limber goblet]

no spoilers here pls 😄

[pseudo mist]

ofc ofc

[steady elm]

I did exactly that lol

[steady elm]

idk why but you give me the same vibe as this mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/43

[warped ginkgo]

the skin is fine

[steady elm]

How about this one, "Sciel with Makeup"

[warped ginkgo]

yea I saw that lol

[grim hinge]

lol

[steady elm]

I can vouch for the red beret route tho

[grim hinge]

its ok if you don't wanna fuck every girl in a game

I like control even though I would never fuck Jessie

[steady elm]

[grim hinge]

her character model just looks a little...

off

like something doesn't look quite right idk

[steady elm]

I didn’t really like changing the looks, wanted it to be canon, but the red beret fit Sciel just so perfectly, so I used that for like 90% of playtime

[warped ginkgo]

I'll get the hat and see how it is; I just dont like the jaw

like DMC5 for example has a ton of like

chin/jaw fixs

[steady elm]

needs to be more like anime girl jaw, I understand

[warped ginkgo]

mods like this -- https://www.nexusmods.com/devilmaycry5/mods/677

[grim hinge]

but everyone looks good in dmc5

like they're all hot

its a capcom game

[warped ginkgo]

I like the younger face version, also there are trish mods

that use her younger look too

vs. her 3 packs a day look in DMC5

not saying she looks bad

just prefer how she looks in older games

[wraith atlas]

I don't really agree personally. But so be it. lol

[warped ginkgo]

like they fixed the nose

[grim hinge]

oh right trish

[warped ginkgo]

like this isnt something that is "unplayable" -- not even something I care about that much

but if there was like a anime makeover mod

[grim hinge]

anime should be banned

[warped ginkgo]

that touches up stuff like nose/jaw/etc -- I'd grab it why not

[grim hinge]

all anime consumers sent to el salvador

[eternal python]

Y´all are just weird with this face mods lol

[steady elm]

"fixed". She lost her personality and soul.

[wraith atlas]

Never really liked how Vergil's face looked in 5.

[grim hinge]

reminds me of that one meme

[warped ginkgo]

I'm usually super autistic about artistic intent

[warped ginkgo]

imo all the dudes are 10/10 in DMC5

except maybe nero

[grim hinge]

true I didn't play the other games

nero is 11

[warped ginkgo]

nah nero with dante's hair is 11

[eternal python]

Nero is the best hello?

[grim hinge]

ok ya I don't care for nero's hair

[wraith atlas]

Yeah, I liked Nero and Dante fine.

[warped ginkgo]

short and long version

imo it feels like it fits nero a lot more -- since he looks up to dante and shit

[twin ore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAHuuIfE258

[warped ginkgo]

the only mod V needed was this, makes him lore accurate

[grim hinge]

https://basedmods.eth.limo/mod/dKZ9YdzxIhowoKgCkWBhbnXiW-cYh5BcOZs3CkaGYGU/

[warped ginkgo]

basedmods has been broken for me

[grim hinge]

hmm the link doesn't work

[twin ore]

failed to resolve /ipfs/bafybeifvsylpbindb4gn34i5on2dp6i424c7ygd4j4xkqzqcxog5ecakjq/mod/dKZ9YdzxIhowoKgCkWBhbnXiW-cYh5BcOZs3CkaGYGU/: no link named "dKZ9YdzxIhowoKgCkWBhbnXiW-cYh5BcOZs3CkaGYGU" under bafybeig6krgwbjai5vmenluse3rrjydpowqhlht2w427lw3yuihayca5ui

[grim hinge]

its jsut the mod that removes musa from kcd2

[warped ginkgo]

but be careful, there are a lot of discord TOS mods there

so I wouldnt post that here lol

[winged dune]

I wanna replay 5, but then I remember how level design was not that good at first and then it was a tree climb for the majority of a game...

[warped ginkgo]

I have over 100h in 5, and a few achivs from plat

[grim hinge]

i saw a light skin yasuke mod there

[warped ginkgo]

spent almost all of my time in the bloody palace

[wraith atlas]

Yeah, the levels weren't varied enough.

[eternal python]

Level design was atrocious imo yea

[grim hinge]

this looks fucked

who would download this trash

[warped ginkgo]

I heard you like different shades of red and gray

[grim hinge]

white saga from alan wake 2

[warped ginkgo]

is musa of mali that famous masa musa guy

who was like the richest man on the planet

[grim hinge]

no

[warped ginkgo]

yea all of those are meme mods that just try to ragebait

[grim hinge]

just another guy named musa

some trader

[warped ginkgo]

and almost always look worse than the original skin color

the mods I'm talking about are just "waifu" mods

very different from the racist mods

[grim hinge]

ya

waifu isn't so bad to me

[warped ginkgo]

also I almost never mod games

like the "game" [models, etc]

[grim hinge]

well i guess the waifu mods for angela in sh2 are weird

[warped ginkgo]

unless its an arcade game, like DMC -- where I want turbo and shit

and a harder mode

where the story doesnt matter

[grim hinge]

she looks way more like her original concept art in sh2 remake

lmao uncanny valley

[warped ginkgo]

the only mods I really mess with are:

1. obv renodx for HDR, since thats probably closer to artistic intent than w/e garbage tonemapper the programmers at the studio threw in

2. mathimatical mods, like idk U+ that increase lets say shadow resolution from 20% to 50% [random numbers[

3. shit like unlocked cutscene FPS

ww2 game?

in lyall's mod I disable stuff like "no black bars on cutscenes" -- because imo thats crazy against artistic intent and ruins the scene

btw does lyall's mod work just fine with U+?

i disabled lyall's mod because I was worried it breaks U+

[grim hinge]

ya I don't like cutscene black bar removers

admins are gonna complain

[warped ginkgo]

yea dont post that stuff lmao

I mean I dont normally ree about games, there are obvious games with agendas like idk an easy one is what was that flopped

overwatch clone

sony spent 500 billion dollars on

but I just dont play them

ez

I just play the games I play, and leave the other games alone

if other people enjoy them, thats their right

[grim hinge]

i thought that overwatch clone just had ugly designs

[warped ginkgo]

idr the details, its been ages

honestly that game was 100% embezzlement

no way did the 500m go into making the game

Concord!

I googled the beret

actually looks pretty cool

I like it

[grim hinge]

too fr*nch

[warped ginkgo]

@steady elm without too much spoilers, where do you get the berret

I'm still in act1; got to the ||lamp boss|| before bed, after the cute village

I dont want to google anything because shit like

[steady elm]

https://tenor.com/10hP.gif

[warped ginkgo]

"where do you get a starting sword" always gives you results like "true ending cutscene" -- and the thumbnail enough spoils it

[warped ginkgo]

oh I killed a mime

but the berret was for somebody else I think

[steady elm]

do it again until you have the correct red beret

[warped ginkgo]

ohh you can re-fight him?

didnt know he respawns

[steady elm]

no but you can kill a mime

[warped ginkgo]

ohh there are multiple mimes?

pog ty

[steady elm]

And Sciel’s hat is in a zone called ||bla bla nest||

The mimes are easy to miss

[warped ginkgo]

with the ||fat friend?||

yea I missed it

guess I'll go back after this boss

thank you

[timber umbra]

@warped ginkgo pro tips Marat, the main route is always lighten up in some way, lamps etc, if you see a darker path then it's 100% the optional route

[warped ginkgo]

yea I always try to explore every pixel

but sometimes its 5am and I might miss something

I do my best to try and do all the side quests

and follow every road

[timber umbra]

Goated gamer

[warped ginkgo]

I'm very autistic about side content

like in FF16 I did every sidequest

and FF15

[timber umbra]

I do the same hahaha

And figuring that trick was life changing to me

[warped ginkgo]

its all padded content but idk

I'm not in a rush

[timber umbra]

Always doing the darker paths first, since it's optional

Then advance with the lighten up math

Path

[warped ginkgo]

and yea I noticed the main path

[timber umbra]

There's no rush needed when game is good

[warped ginkgo]

has lamps or

[steady elm]

The issue is not deciding which path but instead seeing the optional path at all

[warped ginkgo]

something

[timber umbra]

Yup, always something to light the path

[warped ginkgo]

yea sometimes theres a hole

also the side paths dont feel that crazy, and probably better that way

its usually like

[timber umbra]

Yeah, the level design is really good imo

[steady elm]

Have fun in certain Act 2 / 3 zones

Whole map sometimes is a side path

[warped ginkgo]

that sounds cool

[somber pebble]

I agree, in fact at the beginning of the game, if you do remove black bars, when Sophie gives Gustave a jacket, she's holding nothing. Cause black bars are supposed to be there covering her hands 😄

[winged dune]

Yeah, I just don't get the point either.

[merry ermine]

removing black bars is case by case for me. A lot of games "muh creative direction" is to have characters talk to you from the "character talks to you" spot with nothing else really going on

[warped ginkgo]

I just try to play games as intended

black bars might have some artistic reasoning behind it

while unlocking cutscene fps is usually a meme console leftover

[hybrid wind]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-jesus-christ-kids-gif-12765867

[warped ginkgo]

I guess another potential reason for 30 fps cutscenes might be since the fmvs are 30 fps -- it helps keep things consistant when you might have a scene that goes fmv -> in engine -> fmv -> in engine

[hybrid wind]

In this case, I actually added the black bars after I more or less shortly realized the shots were definitely framed with them in mind in the game

Might be the first time I do that

(Spoilers end-ish of the Act 2) Like, removing them here for example is introducing just... blank, useless spaces that break the composition

Which is excellent, btw

Almost never seen a game putting so much care into what it does with its camera and lights

[pearl wagon]

i just figured the cutscenes are 30fps because they are much more demanding than usual gameplay. So if you get locked 60 but then it drops to the 40s in a cutscene people would complain

[hybrid wind]

They're not that much more demanding most of the time tbh, but it might be enough to put the consoles on the edge

And I won't lie, they look smashing out-of-the-box at 30fps, a lot of movie-like qualities

I ended up switching back to 30fps myself since depending on the cutscenes, it could come down into the 45-50fps, and even if I don't stutter because of the VRR, I hate seeing varying levels of framerate within the same shot, I much prefer stability

[haughty dirge]

love control, fair to say i dont share your opinion on jessie 😅

[winged dune]

Jessie is hot.

[haughty dirge]

facts.

[hybrid wind]

||Sciel is leaps and bounds above tho||

[trim anchor]

😔

[split void]

Hi. I'm getting headache with RenoDX for E33.
I'm getting this crash error very often

Fatal error!
Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0x0000000000000018
0x00007ffdeb226d32 nvwgf2umx.dll!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ffdeb35e82b nvwgf2umx.dll!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ffdeb370770 nvwgf2umx.dll!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ffdeb71efa7 nvwgf2umx.dll!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ffdeb81a287 nvwgf2umx.dll!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ffd540ab1a5 D3D12Core.dll!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ffd369ab42c dxgi.dll!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ffd3040acea renodx-clairobscur_expedition33.addon64!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ffd303f5f80 renodx-clairobscur_expedition33.addon64!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ffd36997c0d dxgi.dll!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff725079dcc SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7250afa0a SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff72507b998 SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff72507354c SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7251d7fc1 SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7251d81ea SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7251d39d1 SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7236ea203 SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7236e3e37 SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7236e64f3 SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7236ea97e SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7236fd4b3 SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7236e6180 SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff723768874 SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff72389e527 SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff72389bcd1 SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ffdffbee8d7 KERNEL32.DLL!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ffe0153c5dc ntdll.dll!UnknownFunction []

I have 4090 and tried few versions of drivers but always with same outcome.
I have only RenoDX installed and I disabled all other addons in ReShade.

Things I tried so far:

• Using DLSS, DLAA, TSR, XeSS
• Deleting shader cache from %localappdata%\Sandfall\Saved
• Enabling and disabling vignette, motion blur, etc.
• Newer version of ReShade
• sfc /scannow
• disabling antivirus (Malwarebytes)

[grim hinge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/15usvvt/nvwgf2umxdll_crashes_on_nearly_every_game_any/

[split void]

I do not use Bit Defender but I use Malwarebytes.
Anyway I will try with disabled AV. Thanks for pointing this one out.
Weird thing is that this issue for me only is for E33 and only with RenoDX.
But I remember now that I had issue with different game and Malwarebytes ransomware protection so maybe this is a problem.

[warped ginkgo]

use the latest reshade installer from #🧩renodx-dev pins

it has a lot of stability related stuff

[storm pagoda]

test version of U+ available that has a setting to reduce settings during battle

[split void]

Turning off malwarebyted did nothing sadly.

[split void]

Installing this Reshade from pin made thing even worse. Now I'm getting crash after 2 minutes in game 😦

Also tried sfc /scannow but it not helped.

[warped ginkgo]

weird

do you have any other mods?

reshade fx?

[split void]

No. Just RenoDX and all other addons are disabled

[warped ginkgo]

strange, sorry

maybe your anti virus is unhappy with reno/shortfuse's reshade

the clang compiler raises a ton of false flags (what we use to compile)

even nexus bitches at us

so we have to compile with something else

[steady elm]

What’s that, we’re agreeing on something? yeah but she’s also my fav

[hybrid wind]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-wait-wait-gif-3746287728568117387

[elder void]

Putain. So much text overnight.

[sterile monolith]

and almost all offtopic, the game discussion threads over there https://discord.com/channels/1161035767917850784/1364916085954183168

[limber goblet]

Red beret with makeup on a battlefield yea… xD

People wanting to use plastic surgery on character models because the said character is not hot enough for their taste is kinda weird imo.

If a game has a character editor, then sure you can create a character that you like, but changing perfectly fine looking models in a story driven game, just because “I don’t like her nose” is weird.

Just my two cents

I’m not talking about fixing actual bugs with the character models ofc

[plucky finch]

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-abe-exit-confused-bye-bart-gif-7694184

[elder void]

Like a commando, dude.

[steady elm]

Just the red beret, I didn’t install any of the aforementioned mods. Can only recommend it, it looks like Sciel was designed with the Red Beret in mind

[west smelt]

Some people mentioned U+ here.
How do I know if its working? I use SK + Llayl's fix + Reno.

[gaunt hearth]

if you set everything to epic you should have lower FPS compared to before

💀

[fiery orchid]

change some of the values in the UltraPlus ini and hit f12

if you notice a difference, it works

skylightintensity is probably one of the most obvious ones, especially if you're in a shadowed area

[limber goblet]

The red beret adds makeup too afaik, maybe only lipstick, can’t remember 🤔

[elder void]

I'm using French bob on Maelle as well because the way you get it feels very personal haha.

[gray inlet]

Guys noob question what does "Ensure that Reshade with full add-on support is installed" mean? How do I install it?

[elder void]

It's the dxgi.dll file that's included in the pinned download link.

[steady elm]

ohh true may be, but fitting make up not like this mod from nexusmods

[gray inlet]

Alright so just moving that file and the addon into the games folder should do it right? I tried I get the tutorial pop up too am I missing some windows settings maybe? The image looks very dark and dull

[limber goblet]

Yea ofc, it’s very subtle, the nexus mods are ridiculous 😄

[limber goblet]

you need to copy it next to the actual game exe, Sandfall/Binaries/Win64 if remember correctly

[gray inlet]

I play on Gamepass so I got in the WinDKG folder

[split void]

Sadly disabling AV also did not helped

[hasty loom]

Reshade log please

[viscid fulcrum]

i found it fixed in newest nv driver

[hasty loom]

Seems like a bunch of upgrades per frame. Dlss?

[split void]

DLAA

[viscid fulcrum]

try set dlss at 88% in nv app, it get better visual somehow than dlaa

dlaa sometime crash mine also (4090 too)

[split void]

For me crashes a lot. I tried XeSS and TSR couple days ago but with same effect sadly. I will test DLSS 88%, TSR and XeSS again cause now i installed new version of ReShade. (from pinned comment)

Funny thing is if I use DLSS4 binaries im just getting "Fatal Error" from game

[hasty loom]

What resolution are you playing at?

[split void]

1440p

[viscid fulcrum]

and some av has kernel hook(rookit, driver, or ...), it's at there even u disable av

try fully uninstalling it

[hasty loom]

I'd imagine it's that tbh. DLSS upgrades are dumb luck

[warped ginkgo]

there is also display memes

for example dlss quality at 4k should be 2560x1440 (1440p)

but displays with DSC, dlss quality is 2562x1441

I dont know if those 2 pixels are enough to grief upgrades

[hasty loom]

That's my worry

[warped ginkgo]

yea, I was talking to ritsu when I was working on unreal + clair support

and its just too much moving parts

thankfully all the stuff that needs upgrading is later on in the pipeline that isnt griefed by dlss; and is output size

[hasty loom]

Why I went for native HDR in oblivion. Dlss Sharpness 0 breaks stuff and I didn't want to figure it out

But oblivion has partial native support. But still crashes with xess, so they probably aborted it

[warped ginkgo]

I've been playing with the UE mod, and so far so good

but I dont think they do anything custom

the only thing you need is to upgrade a few custom aspect ratios for the 21:9 cinamaic cutscenes, and a few letterbox cutscenes

settings work just fine, dlss works just fine

stabilityis fine every since I got rid of reshade addons/fx (and got your latest reshade)

[warped ginkgo]

@hasty loom try updating xess.dll to the latest one from here

https://github.com/intel/xess/raw/refs/heads/main/bin/libxess.dll

I ran into xess crashing Yumia on launch with reno

but then maple told me its common on some xess versions

upgraded xess to the latest dll from the intel repo

xess works just fine

how "precise" is .aspect_ratio

like if I do .aspect_ratio = 2560/1440 -- will it upgrade 2562x1441 or not

2560/1440 = 1.777777777777778 (windows calc)

2562/1441 = 1.77793199167245

[hasty loom]

There's a threshold number

[warped ginkgo]

I need to find a way to test it; but I'd need to use SK or dlss tweaks or something to force 2562x1441 to 2560x1440

[warped ginkgo]

I was thinking of having a minimum value for dimensions

or support < / >

greater than/less than

so you can like do .aspect_ratio = 16/9 -- but then in .dimensions add a line to whre like x > 300 or something

so it doesnt upgrade 16x9 or 160x9 resources

[timber umbra]

Do anyone use U+ with puredark framegen mod, does it work well?

[warped ginkgo]

shortfuse when you have time, can you please look at Jon;s pics in #1370476541955538975 -- and let us know

I pinged you in a few of them

the goal is to have no sliders, and use pumbo for paper white scaling, and displaymapping for peak via lilium's shaders

but we're arguing over tonemap type 1.f or 3.f -- I'm saying 3.f with peak 10k or 4k since we're not tonemapping with fx

[viscid fulcrum]

more than well

[timber umbra]

Perfect, will install it then

[dry sundial]

is there a way to fix the crashing?

shit happen every 20 to 30 mins and always in cutscene transitions

ive had ti fight multiple bosses more then once because of it

[wraith atlas]

You using Clair Fix?

[haughty dirge]

@dry sundial if using latest clair fix (0.0.10 iirc) go back to the prior (v0.0.9) or disable the option for resolution checks that was added in the .10 version - afaik from seeing this issue pop up on other Discords either of these has successfully resolved it for peeps - im still on .9 just bc i didnt get a chance to update it yet and not having any crashing issues

even with Reno + Ultra Plus + ray reconstruction + SK + clair fix piled onto this game lmao

im pretty sure if that can be stable, anything can 😅

[dry sundial]

im only using Puredark, Reno, U+

[storm pagoda]

I know someone was crashing with puredark and reno and U+ cause of windows defender I think

and/or wrong reshade version

anyone want a sneak peak of something very cool 👀

I don't use it myself

[haughty dirge]

fwiw almost all crashing ive seen in the few discords im on is either the combo of puredark's FG mod + something else

or latest version of lyall's fix + smthn else

[storm pagoda]

my next addition to U+ be like

[haughty dirge]

not sure if just due to luck/stuff specific to individuals PCs or which of the various ways you use to set it up but ive had zero issues with that combo - with a much messier combo tbh haha 😅

[haughty dirge]

just say yes peeps. the correct answer is yes

[storm pagoda]

if you didn't pick up on what it is....

properly upscaled 4K cutscenes playing natively

[haughty dirge]

im on a diff AMD processor but same GPU. not doing anything weird to set it up, just local Reno install (dxgi and addon next to game exe) and global SK (launch thru SKIF) and havent had a problem 🤷‍♂️

[warped ginkgo]

as long as its optional

I dont like messing with fmvs and stuff

[storm pagoda]

yeah you can keep the shitty videos with hella banding

will be an add on

[warped ginkgo]

thank you

[storm pagoda]

is a mod I make that fixes most graphical problems, greatly improves visuals/allows pushing them a lot further, and typically maintains or improves performance - mostly for UE games

me and a few other folks

this game mostly either maintains performance or you will get a bit lower, but the base games graphical settings were just really bad

might be easier to find Ultra Plus

[haughty dirge]

im inclined to wait until youve done all of them now - the intro one i tested was such an improvement over the garbage of the original one

[storm pagoda]

yeah i couldn't stand watching the departure cutscene, interested to see how it turns out

was supposed to be black and my screen was half gray the entire time

so i guess ill do this before I play the rest of the game lol

[warped ginkgo]

I'm very happy with w/e build is on the nexus rn

with no addons

[storm pagoda]

the add ons are just for the idiots bitching about performance

[warped ginkgo]

yea I skimmed the desc a bit

and the one addon on nexus at the time

disabled something or lowered the graphics of something

[storm pagoda]

the foliage rendering fix

[warped ginkgo]

yea that

honestly I dont have a 500iq

[winged dune]

FMV as they where except in good quality are a nice thing for sure, that's not the same as letterbox removal.

[warped ginkgo]

but if I get a mod named ultra+, I wouldn't expect performance better than a game's vanilla ultra

[storm pagoda]

typically you can get better performance with much better visuals

[warped ginkgo]

yea ik

just saying

[storm pagoda]

this game is either maintain or lower

[warped ginkgo]

"I'm turning the graphics from 10 to 11; why is the fps lower"

[storm pagoda]

yeah lol

but you just have to change your settings.... the vanilla settings are so low

[winged dune]

Paying for fake frames that come bundled with crashes is crazier.

[storm pagoda]

ye I may have to use different models for different scenes but I don't know yet

[warped ginkgo]

can you stop shitposting

you're on the wrong discord for that

about how dlss bad, framegen bad, etc

[storm pagoda]

theres a setting in U+ for that actually

lowers graphics during battles

[warped ginkgo]

its fine to have an opinion; but for the past 2 days its literally "x is shit" over and over

[storm pagoda]

UE5 be like that

[warped ginkgo]

I play locked at 70 with U+

game cranked up as high as it can go, dlss balanced preset e [4k]

I changed that one reflections thing in U+

[5090]

[winged dune]

Never said a thing about DLSS, said my opinion on framegen 2 times probably, but sure. I was referencing the puredark crashes specifically.

[warped ginkgo]

I think I cna get more than 70; but I'll take a locked 70

[storm pagoda]

I keep having people mention 4k dlaa to me

and im just like

https://tenor.com/view/puffer-fish-what-the-heck-gif-24866376

and you get maybe 2 fps

[warped ginkgo]

@winged dune I'm so sorry

there was a guy named Sheynix who was shit posting all of yesterday

[storm pagoda]

lmao

[warped ginkgo]

where it started to annoy everybody

[dry sundial]

just mfg

[winged dune]

Well I did shitpost about Rebirth if you mean that in another thread 🙂

[warped ginkgo]

yea I confused you two, sorry

I went go scroll up chat to double check; mb

[winged dune]

No worries.

[dry sundial]

tht was me. My defender rrandomly turned on. That was only crashing the game during startup. This is after cutscernes

[storm pagoda]

ah

[warped ginkgo]

this was in #💬chat ; and it was like hours of [everything bad]

I tested MFG in doom cope ages last night

honestly if nobody told me MFG was on

I'd never know

nvidia cooked with MFG

the only issue left is implementation

[storm pagoda]

4x is super noticeable with out having a pretty high base fps

3x seems solid

[warped ginkgo]

233 locked in doom dark ages

thats like 55 ish base fps?

I tried moving the camera really fast 360 degrees

[dry sundial]

Sounds like someone that is salty that they cant get their hands on 5000 or 4000 series card

[warped ginkgo]

yea imo I genuinly beleive the reception to fg/mfg would've been 100x better if people gave it a go

and the gpus where easily avaliable

[storm pagoda]

I think I need a higher refresh rate than 175 for 4x

[warped ginkgo]

100%

[storm pagoda]

base is too low

[warped ginkgo]

yea

at 240hz (224 reflex bias) you get a 55 base for 4x mfg

and transformer fg honestly looks amazing

if you left thats fine, I thought you came back to talk more shit -- thats not cool

[winged dune]

I don't like tanking native FPS to get to 120 with x2 FG myself, but x4 on 240hz is probably a whole other beast.

[warped ginkgo]

I've used DLSS FG since day 1, since 4090 release; and maybe its the games I play; mostly gamepad games; but 60 -> 120 is perfectly fine imo

and only got better as we got new versions of FG

and the 6090 kek

good luck getting over 50-60 fps in a game with full rt/path tracing (post dlss upscaling)

I dont buy 90 class gpus to turn graphics down

[wraith atlas]

You also don't need 400fps for SP games. XD

[warped ginkgo]

reminds me of the bloom era

like n64

where every game was smeared in bloom

and now bloom is just a generic "free" effect every game has

I feel ike RT/PT will be like that in a few generations

[dry sundial]

Its been a godsend in almost every game ive played

[wraith atlas]

Not sure it will ever be viable for competitive games.

[warped ginkgo]

to be fair competitive games are a completely different discussion

until cs:2 people still did 4:3 stretched because you got 30% bigger percieved heads

and a bigger clickbox I guess too

[wraith atlas]

Well... SP games don't have the fps for it to work well if you have graphics cranked. And competitive games rely on responsiveness which FG doesn't offer. So it doesn't really have a good use case atm. imo

[warped ginkgo]

also most people dont care about the graphics in a competitive game, if anything you want to turn down everything as low as you can

so a fancy effect doesnt get in a way of lets say a headshot

[warped ginkgo]

its not just responsiveness

its also not having extra shit drawn

if people could play in empty maps, they would (Look at fighting games, the #1 maps people use online are the empty training map so they dont have to look at extra stuff)

[winged dune]

I do wonder just what 480hz, or 1000hz, would look like, DF hyped it up. Getting so many FPS even with MFG in any recent game though...

[wraith atlas]

true. But I think they can perhaps solve that issue. But I don't see how you can ever solve the responsiveness issue of "fake frames"

[warped ginkgo]

imo its kinda cope

like mathimatically 1000hz sounds cool but

I dont want to play pong

or vanilla minecraft

I want to play path traced [insert game]

and at that point who cares about hz and refersh rate

give me the graphics

I'll play at a locked 60 no FG

[winged dune]

Yeah, pretty much.

[warped ginkgo]

I'll take ultra+ oblivion at 60 fps

over low graphics super high refresh

the people who will benefit from crazy high refresh rates arnt us

but like counter strike/fortnite/etc game pros

[wraith atlas]

The 99% XD

[warped ginkgo]

there was a good video on that; it halves the latency from reflex1 -> 2

[wraith atlas]

Yes. But it's still "guessing". you can't see information earlier than when it appears on a native frame. So it's not really an advantage. And you have increased latency. Even with Reflex 2.

[merry ermine]

one of my reflex 2 fears was the increased sense of "I clicked on that guy and he didn't die"

one of those things where I'd have to go hands on with it to know

[wraith atlas]

Even with current tech like 120fps you can have this due to how low the tick rate are in most online games still.

Yes, it is improved motion tracking. You aren't wrong.
But I am not sure it is worth the tradeoff of getting native frames later which will delay things like seeing a target come from around a corner and such.

Base fps goes down when you activate FG. Hence less native frames.
Unless you use 2x GPUs with loseless to offload the FG to a 2nd gpu.

[winged dune]

SLI is back on the menu, we gonna need two 6090 and new motherboards and cases form factor now, they played us like a fiddle

[summer folio]

I'm guessing you're referring to me since I mentioned it last night. 4k DLAA + FG without U+ is 100+ fps outside of cutscenes at all times, not worth using with U+ though because the performance drops too much. It's a moot point anyways since DLAA is too crashy to use with renodx and renodx is a hell of a lot more noticeable than an internal res bump

[storm pagoda]

well, more than just you lol

idk if its just me but I don't really even consider DLAA at 3440x1440 on a 5090, given I have mostly been playing UE games

too ass for performance, rather have better graphics in other ways

[summer folio]

i just use it when i have headroom, which i usually do but typically not in UE5, surely not in oblivion

[storm pagoda]

yeah UE5 is truly pain

[grim hinge]

Shit game necessitates shitposting

[simple spruce]

tbh while a bit late i adore 4x mfg on my 240HZ QD

i don't personally notice it TOO much either at 50-60 frames

iits very soliddd in cyberpunk and im sure they'll iron more stuff

the transformer model still being a beta - hopefully they're working on all of it

[warped ginkgo]

yea because they put a lot of effort into the implementation

doom cope ages is very gud too

[elder void]

Lol Marat why Cope Ages? Hahaha.

[warped ginkgo]

joke name

I'm not a doom fan

but all my friends who played for over 20 years

dont like it

apparently its doom: wide demographic edition

slower, easier, etc

less mobile

those are just the complaints I've heard

[haughty dirge]

at the risk of joining the ever increasing group taking this thread off topic, i cant imagine anyone that has actually tried FG or MFG disliking it. with how insanely CPU bound so many AAA games are these days, FG is often the ONLY way to get consistent, smooth frame times

[warped ginkgo]

I played only one mission, and it only made me want to go back and play Eternal

[haughty dirge]

in a SP game, i will take that over the slight latency increase 100% of the time

[warped ginkgo]

games with shit implementation

according to nukm, FG heavily depends on reflex latency markers

if you enable FG in Rise of the Ronin, you'll go "wtf is this trash"

[merry ermine]

I'm just too latency sensitive I guess. I can always feel when it's turned on. That doesn't mean that I think it becomes unplayable garbage, but I'll always opt for the lower lag.

[warped ginkgo]

like everything, koei tecmo griefed the implementation hard

[haughty dirge]

yeah true - like when assassins creed shadows first released with FG but without working reflex and the input latency was like 300ms, actually unplayable even on gamepad lmao

[haughty dirge]

the way i look at it is that FG + Reflex is same or lower latency than almost any native game without reflex

ofc you can use reflex and not use FG and get even better latency

but in my head it makes sense that if id be fine playing the game without any nvidia tech, im also ok with all of it turned on resulting in a v similar latency

[summer folio]

i don't love MFG because my TV's 120 hz is too low for even 3x MFG, 40->120 artifacts like crazy, 2x FG is amazing though i use it 100% of the time

[elder void]

But hell. I never really considered MFG because the first time I tried X3 it felt super slow and had some weird tearing. Then someone opened my eyes about properly setting up V-Sync along G-Sync, but it did not work everytime. Anyways! I did a DDU install and now everything is working like a charm. I can't believe I was playing at much higher latency for that much time prior to this.

[merry ermine]

not if you play with a framerate cap

a good framerate cap is lower latency than GPU bound framerates without reflex

I've just always tried to minimize latency

when reasonable anyway

[warped ginkgo]

its less about latency, and more that apparently the latency markers are used for frame pacing

[merry ermine]

before gsync I played shooters with vsync off even though I loathe screen tearing

[warped ginkgo]

better latency markers = smoother frame pacing in FG

[haughty dirge]

thats part of my point tho, everything where it mattters is CPU bound these days bc everything is UE5 and its still insanely single threaded

FG = fucks off the CPU bound problem

[merry ermine]

FG pretty much doubles input lag, it's super noticeable, idk

[haughty dirge]

it super definitely does not until the implementation is crazy borked

[merry ermine]

I don't mind it much on a controller

on a mouse I'd rather not play the game usually

[haughty dirge]

(unless thats sposed to be hyperbolic haha)

[merry ermine]

measured with the latency stuff in SK anyway, it's pretty much always a doubling

that's not end to end of course

[haughty dirge]

not disputing that theres a latency difference (i think physics dictates it would be impossible for there not to be)

but ive never seen an FG implementation where its anywhere close to double unless its just broken

[merry ermine]

I also think unstable framerates without frame gen look pretty much just as bad with frame gen

then framegen has the added problem of not actually being able to sync very well to begin with, so it's already basically for people that like playing uncapped anyway

though the new SK option kinda fixes that

[haughty dirge]

i dont know if we are just sensitive to different things or have different experiences based on our setups but yah ive not found that to be the case at all

i mean theres a limit to how far frame times can fluctuate that FG can soak up

at some point its so extreme that FG just makes it slightly less extreme

[merry ermine]

I mean, the technology straight up can't soak them up, it's going to preserve every hitch

[haughty dirge]

but for like, every frame that just misses the present window, all of those minor stutters disappear

[merry ermine]

I have heard the new flip metering stuff might help games in general though so, maybe I'd feel differently with a 5xxx card?

[haughty dirge]

i dont know about by itself as im not using it, but certainly been lots of reports of crashing of peeps using puredark and reno, and maybe one or two of puredark + ultra plus

puredark by itself seems fine but in combo with other stuff seems a bit iffy

i think/assume the issue is that puredark's mods include his own version of reshade which i assume he must make some changes to or he wouldnt need to include a custom version

then when there's other mods that rely on reshade, unless they or puredark or both ensure that theyre compatible

you can easily run into problems

[haughty dirge]

fair call - tbh i dont have the technical expertise to tell you whether what im describing is core to FG or more specifically due to the new flip metering approach

[merry ermine]

to be fair, I don't think it's weird to say that framegen feels smoother when games are unstable, cause like, it is, but those frametime spikes are still there

it's the spikes that I'm sensitive to

I'd generally rather play at a lower perfectly stable framerate than a higher unstable one

but low framerates don't bug me much. Like obviously I like more, but I can get used to a lower framerate. I never get used to uneven motion

my cycle with framegen was "this is gonna feel terrible" -> got a 4080 -> "wow this stuff is awesome, it works so well" -> disables it for input lag lol

[winged dune]

My issue with it is you have to be getting around 80 to begin with to hit 120 after it tanks your FPS, so you usually get a very unstable fake 120 driving your GPU up the wall. So i'll always just stick with chill stable 60, since i'm more than content with it and value stable frame times and GPU headroom alot more.

[cobalt crown]

Mom look, FG discussion

[winged dune]

MFG with 240hz though - i could definitely see the point. Probably.

I only play on a 120hz TV, so what would i know. Well, G5 has 165hz mode, but apparently its shit atm and where would i get all these frames with 4090 anyway.

[grim hinge]

finally gonna play

[winged dune]

165hz here we go 😂

[slow forum]

If you consider async repro/frame warp as reduced latency then ig yeah but fundamentally it's doesn't do shit to all other inputs' latency..
It's the biggest snake oil marketing bs NV has ever pulled yet

[warped ginkgo]

there was a video

an independant dude did

https://youtu.be/ykwPksh-AXc

[slow forum]

It's bs still. Only camera is impacted

[warped ginkgo]

maybe, since there are no FG benefits

idc about it lol

[slow forum]

Frame extrapolation when btw 😜

DLSS 6 ?

[elder void]

Wait. Really? I was seriously considering a G5 this being one of its selling points.

RIP COE33 RenoDX topic.

[winged dune]

I'm not sure, think it has a very high input lag or some other problem, but i didnt really look into it since i only care about 120hz.

Maybe its already fixed, maybe it will be.

[elder void]

I saw those 165 Hz key for higher base frames if MFG is going to become more of a standard. Haha. Currently on a 120 Hz screen and to be honest I feel X2 and X3 quite solid and believe me I was very skeptical and I had a bad set up for a while, still got sold on it if the implementation is at least functional.

[winged dune]

I can't find anything else on the 165hz issue other than this, I might be exaggerating.

5 -> 12ms input lag compared to 120hz.

[merry ermine]

Apologies for my many contributions in derailing this thread 😰

[elder void]

Come on! Haha. You all did an excellent job making this game HDR on day one and guiding us ignorants to the perfect looking image this mod provides now. If it derailed so much it's because you work is more than set.

[merry ermine]

I didn’t do shit for this mod tbf

[grim hinge]

gotta add sliders for blowout restoration/saturation correction

you can add warnings now

telling you to restart to apply

I wanted to jack up saturation in this game

cause its all gray

but I can't do that with ritsu's mod currently

cause it turns everyone red

saturaiton correction in the generic mod fixes that

rip still getting red faces with saturation correction

guess i'm not playing

i'll have to turn down saturation to 60

had it on 70

[merry ermine]

I’ve stuck with sat 80 blowout 72 (I think). It uh…still had red moments, but it’s worth it for most scenes I think.

For the palace area, idk if basically any of the sliders can be touched. Kind of a cursed area, looks very unreal engine.

[grim hinge]

with saturation 80 blowout 63

clamped to bt709 with the ue mod though

I already hate this game

This cutscene with Sophie and whatever the main guys name is

Giving me aids

[warped ginkgo]

I just finished act 1

this game is literally just a generic anime story

disguised

for people who go "eww anime"

[slow forum]

Is it really that bad ?

[warped ginkgo]

I mean its no tbad

I think its getting overhyped

its free on gamepass, worth trying

its just mid 33 idk

[warped ginkgo]

imo the oblivion strat would be the way to go

tonemap in lutbuilders to 10k, tonemap type 1.f [none] -- which will send out "untonemapped + graded"

and then finish it off in the output shaders

that way you can get rid of the rec709 clamp + real time sliders [even though sliders refresh if you press start 2x with the unreal mod]

benefit from all the lutbuilder colors, etc

[somber pebble]

Dont think the story is that bad tbh, I enjoy the quirkiness, and is pretty emotional but not overly “serious”. I like the combat tho and how the game progresses naturally. And Im not the usual target audience for these turn based / FF style games

[warped ginkgo]

its not bad, its just not like the most amazing thing on the planet a lot of people make it out to be

[grim hinge]

I gave up after meeting sophie

game is too ugly

also don't care for the cinematic shit

if you don't have the budget for it to be polished do something else

well maybe that's harsh

but there is something I find repulsive about this game and idk what it is

I'm not even that racist to French people

[warped ginkgo]

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/12464181794017048902/A64AC64EB33F95697BCD636FEB92107911654E1B/

how does the mathw ork here

in the long term, do I do more damage?

[gaunt hearth]

I think I asked chat gpt when I got that lmao. can't remember the answer. let me check

[grim hinge]

Yes

125% damage basically
.5 * .5 + .5 * 2

But more annoying

[slow forum]

We kinda love being hated tho, ngl

😅

[grim hinge]

I’m sorry I have to block you now

[gaunt hearth]

yeah you do. On average you do 25% more damage on single hit skills, % gets higher on multi hits

[cobalt crown]

Literally based

Anime / FF plotline (which are good) with none of the Japanese cringe, every character is a teenager and typically anime brainrot

It's why FF16 is a masterpiece/s

FF plotline and lore without any of the typical FF cringe and Japanese humour and vocal sound effects

Hrrr, huuuu, yaaaaeeehhh

FF7R be like

[warped ginkgo]

how does it work

so normally I do 100% damage

the item gives me a 50% chance to either do:
half damage
double damage

doesnt he double damage make up for the half damage? so it ends up equal?

[somber pebble]

tbh U+ does help with the visuals but I mean, you played nothing of the game though

[unborn locust]

speed, difficulty, damage to player / demons can all be adjusted (beyond the presets) - make it as easy or as hard as you want

[limber goblet]

Well this game is definitely not for you then 😅 It's an AA game, with very well written dialogue, interesting combat, good art direction.

[limber goblet]

Yup, my kind of game, I really hate the FF cringe and Japanese humor lol

[warped ginkgo]

pog thank you

[limber goblet]

Obviously, but it's going to win the GoTY for original music/voice acting for sure, the writing is very good too, they talk like real people

[slow forum]

Wouldn't be so sure about that, year is far from over and last year's goty most likely candidate for the win got beaten by a cute bot

[limber goblet]

yea true

but still, E33 feels like this years BG3

but Death Stranding 2 is releasing this year, so we will see

[slow forum]

No idea whether Dark Ages has any chance but it seems to be an amazingly well done game (never had interest in Dooms but still, it's impressive)

[limber goblet]

I highly doubt that the Dark Ages is going to win trophies tbh

[somber pebble]

I am beyond hyped for that except... like GTA6.... PC..

[slow forum]

2030 maybe 😅

[slow forum]

Too specific of a vibe or ? Don't know criterias besides votes

[limber goblet]

The trailers were really good but idk, I really hope that it's going to be something amazing

[limber goblet]

It's good on a technical level, but nothing really exceptional?

[slow forum]

Same here, I just don't know what gets taken into consideration

But like for Clair Obscur, even though it's really good, technically it's not that polished and U+ kinda demonstrates that so idk

[limber goblet]

Yea idk what matters more

Doom is extremely polished, but it's just a good game

[gaunt hearth]

Friend of mine is a huge Doom fan and he likes the Gameplay of this one but he says that music, story is inferior to eternal for him. He didn't like the gimmick fight (the dragon and the mecha)

[slow forum]

But so is AstroBot. Cute factor I get and technical execution is flawless but like story is just a justification for having different levels to platform on

[limber goblet]

AstroBot was a bigger thing imo

[slow forum]

The whole love letter to playstation gaming legacy thing ?

[limber goblet]

kinda haha

Doom won nothing in 2020 either so idk

we will see I guess

it might win the best action game category

[slow forum]

Quite possibly yeah

[limber goblet]

btw I think E33 deserves the hype because it rekindled the love of games in the “older”generation of gamers like me

[slow forum]

For sure ❤️ we in the same boat

[somber pebble]

I've never been a huge fan of Kojima but I found DS1 really special, and I quit the game 2x in the beginning before. When I decided to give it an actual shot I actually really enjoyed it

[jagged portal]

It only works on camera position, not game logic

[timber umbra]

I mean, I use puredark and I got 0 crash since I got it, played like 40h with it

@warped ginkgo easy way for when things like this happen, just imagine your attack do 10k normally, you have 50% of chance to do 50%, which is 5k damage loss, but also 50% of chance to do 200%, which is 10k more damage

Hence why it's more damage over time

[visual flower]

wait does math actually work like that

wouldn't it be 100% in the long run anyway

I guess not huh