✅RenoDX: Clair Obscur - Expedition 33

[elder void]

Told you since FFXVI hahaha. Still J have some weird issues where the image becomes to deteriorate if there no camera movement and is less sharp. Don't you think?

Also if anybody could spot a difference between Epic and High shading it'd be quite a finding haha. Aside from that 15 FPS drop.

[limber goblet]

Depends on the game imo, preset K looks worse if there are a lot of fog/volumetric effects

[elder void]

Oh! I also found that the improved cinematics mod many of us might be using can make some of them look even worse than the original ones.

[limber goblet]

And yea J have issues too but It’s not really that noticeable in Exp. 33

Improved cinematics mod?

[pseudo mist]

Did u try it out

[elder void]

Yes. Check the COE33 game thread, not this RenoDX. I posted an example there.

[elder void]

You were using RR though, right?

[limber goblet]

yes

[limber goblet]

no avoid the other channel for now haha

but I will

my only issue with cinematics is DoF

[elder void]

Can you select presets on top of RR? I thought it was it's whole level of doing things.

[limber goblet]

yes I used the new preset E for RR

and Preset J for SR

[pseudo mist]

why is bros beard like that? (when iam controlling him its fine lol does anyone else have this issue?)

[pseudo mist]

If u put post proessing to low it gets removed but my problem is i think all of the post processing effects gets nuked with it as well lol

[summer folio]

r.DOF.Kernel.MaxForegroundRadius=0.0000
r.DOF.Kernel.MaxBackgroundRadius=0.0012

this will reduce DOF by a lot without removing it, though I prefer keeping the background radius at the (pretty strong) default 0.025 and removing foreground DOF.

[pseudo mist]

oh i ll try em out

[elder void]

Hey! Do you mind sharing your RR .ini settings so I can compare them to those RT enhanced mods that run around. I think you did a lot of testing and that you know what's going on other than just the random commands I see in the mods. They have way different settings and what I found is that the performance cost comes mostly from running the RR .dll other than the mere .ini tweaks.

[fickle gorge]

where is the file? is it this?

[summer folio]

||[SystemSettings]
r.Lumen.TraceMeshSDFs=1
r.Lumen.TraceMeshSDFs.TraceDistance=300
r.Lumen.Reflections.DownsampleFactor=1
r.SSS.Scale=4
r.SSS.Quality=1
r.SSS.HalfRes=0
r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.DownsampleFactor=32
r.Shadow.Virtual.UseHZB=0
r.VolumetricFog.GridSizeZ=80
r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.ScreenTraces.ThicknessScaleWhenNoFallback=8
r.DOF.Kernel.MaxForegroundRadius=0.0000
r.MotionBlur.Amount=0
r.DefaultFeature.MotionBlur=0
r.SkeletalMeshLODBias=-7
r.NGX.DLSS.RayReconstruction=1
r.NGX.DLSS.denoisermode=1
r.Lumen.Reflections.BilateralFilter=0
r.Lumen.Reflections.ScreenSpaceReconstruction=0
r.lumen.Reflections.Temporal=0
r.Shadow.Denoiser=0
r.VT.ForceContinuousUpdate=1
r.Shadow.Virtual.ResolutionLodBiasDirectional=-0.3
r.Lumen.Reflections.MaxRoughnessToTrace=1
r.Lumen.Reflections.MaxRoughnessToTraceForFoliage=1
r.Lumen.Reflections.RadianceCache=1
r.Lumen.Reflections.MaxRayIntensity=10
||

With notes

||
r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.DownsampleFactor=32 (marginally worse than default 16 for a 5% or more fps boost, when 32 looks bad 16 also looks bad just slightly less)

r.Shadow.Virtual.UseHZB=0 (like 1 fps more on my system)

r.VolumetricFog.GridSizeZ=80 (usually looks the same as default 128 for +3-5% fps)

r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.ScreenTraces.ThicknessScaleWhenNoFallback=8 (can be overocclusion in some areas but usually makes shadowed areas look less flat)

r.DOF.Kernel.MaxForegroundRadius=0.0000 (removes DOF blurring people's noses and shit randomly in cutscenes)

r.MotionBlur.Amount=0 (cutscenes still have motion blur with the option off ingame)

r.SkeletalMeshLODBias=-7 (fixes people's faces looking like mannequins from a distance)

r.Shadow.Virtual.ResolutionLodBiasDirectional=-0.3 (decent fps boost over default -1 especially in forested areas while only being very slightly softer in the distance, if you get blocky shadows in the continent remove this)

r.Lumen.Reflections.MaxRoughnessToTrace=1
r.Lumen.Reflections.MaxRoughnessToTraceForFoliage=1 (first 2 settings let lumen trace against surfaces of any roughness to determine specularity, costs 5-6% fps and looks noticeably better especially in areas with an open skylight, occasionally makes areas that should be occluded a bit brighter than ideal but typically pairs well with the increased lumen thickness scale variable, radiance cache keeps it from being an even bigger cost)
r.Lumen.Reflections.RadianceCache=1

r.Lumen.Reflections.MaxRayIntensity=10 (default is 100, very rarely changes anything in most reflections but it fixes the annoyingly bright flickery low quality lumen reflections in the manor and a couple more areas)
||

[visual flower]

@jagged portal sorry to bother you, but if I notice some things that look like light sources but are still in SDR in late game, is there any way I can help to convert those to HDR with reno too?

[warped ginkgo]

@visual flower download the Unreal Engine addon (https://clshortfuse.github.io/renodx/renodx-unrealengine.addon64)

move ritsu's addon out of the game folder temporarily

in the Unreal Engine addon, go to advanced and select "dump lut shaders", restart the game, and then start it up and go to the areas that look clipped to sdr

load the late game areas, run around

and then look in your game folder, there should be a renodx folder

and inside of it there should be files named "lutbuilder_xxxx.cso)

upload those here and ping me please

[elder void]

And RR on top of that forcing latest preset on NVPI, right?

[summer folio]

RR is included you just need to have the DLL in the right place, force preset E if you just force latest it seems to default to D which has aliasing in DOF and worse texture detail

[limber goblet]

The game looks a lot better with RR, but the performance cost is huge 😩 20-30%

[elder void]

Even in areas where there is definitely no apparent difference. Guess it's just the denoising cost.

[summer folio]

yeah if renodx didn't crash with 100% res scale I'd just use normal preset J or K but since it doesn't i might as well do something with the headroom

[slow forum]

Finally got to try E properly btw it's crap in Cyberpunk

[limber goblet]

this looks like dlss sr preset j artifact

[slow forum]

Except it's on K (the SR one ofc)

[elder void]

@summer folio I can tell you definitely tested this through. Becuse r.SkeletalMeshLODBias=-7 is right where it stopped getting better while mods crank that down to -15 and other stupid values. I did live testing with the console. Although, that sereting only applies to interactable NPCs. Other NPCs are tied to foliage.

[summer folio]

someone on ultra+ compared E and D in cyberpunk and D is definitely better there, E is better in UE5 though

left is E right is D

[visual flower]

will have a look, ty!

[slow forum]

If you can omit the sky then yeah but I can't, it's ever present

[summer folio]

both presets mess up cyberpunk sky?

[slow forum]

No just RR E

[summer folio]

yeah looks bad compared to D in that comparison i posted

[warped ginkgo]

@visual flower if you're able to get us some more lutbuilders; that would be amazing

[slow forum]

No wonder the NV override still uses D & DLSS4 is still officially in beta 😅 (sorry for OT btw guys)

[summer folio]

yeah i didn't see the weird foliage npc thing until after i left the prologue where the terrible npc popping was the biggest issue

the skeletal mesh thing actually seems to just default to the last value you set if you go past -7 so if you set -15 in ini it's probably just running the default

[somber pebble]

why force E on RR instead of transformers?

[fiery orchid]

RR's E is Transformer

[visual flower]

@warped ginkgo I can't find the renodx folder, any idea where I need to look? 👀

[warped ginkgo]

in the win64 folder

if it generated no lutbuilders

that means all the lutbuilders are gud

and its something else

[visual flower]

there's no folder, so I assume it generated all then, right?

[warped ginkgo]

you enabling dump lutshaders, and restarted the game right

[visual flower]

yeah

[warped ginkgo]

yea so al the lutbuilders are there

btw since you got the UE mod installed

can you check if the area is sdr with the UE mod?

like you said there where SDR highlights in an area

can you check that area with the UE mod

[visual flower]

pretty sure I saw HDR hightlights when I had it installed just now

[warped ginkgo]

both the UE mod and Ritsus mod support clair; its jjust goes about it a different way

ok so whats missing are the sample shaders, which is what ritsu mods

[visual flower]

oh sorry

[warped ginkgo]

what you can do is send him your save file

[visual flower]

I meant that the HDR was working basically, but the one hightlight I thought is missing was still missing

so I assume it is not supposed to be hightlighted in the game

[warped ginkgo]

so the entire scene was hdr

except one highlight?

[visual flower]

yeah

[warped ginkgo]

ohh

so thats just the game's texture

not being bright

[visual flower]

yeah seems like it

okay great, tyty 🙏

[warped ginkgo]

[visual flower]

😸

[warped ginkgo]

enjoy the game

but yea

now that you know how to dump lut shaders

[visual flower]

yea that's the HDR prof deformation lol

[warped ginkgo]

if you ever find an area hdr doesnt work

[visual flower]

yeah that's a good experience, I'll try it out now in the future if I notice something in games 🙏

[warped ginkgo]

throw in the Unreal addon, and see if it generates anything

[visual flower]

the funny part is that I was thinking that lut shader was missing from a boss fight

so I had to redo it until I see it and not die 😸

[warped ginkgo]

with ritsus mod if a lutbuilder is missing; its not a big deal

but with the unreal mod if a lutbuilder is missing, the game will be in sdr

[visual flower]

hm, interesting

[somber pebble]

oh, thought it was following the same lettering as SR. Pffft. Is there anywhere online I can read about all available presets for RR?

FG does NOT have presets right?

[fiery orchid]

some of the Nexus comments shared the nvidia rr pdf

can't remember which however

[somber pebble]

but then it says Preset E on their git pfft

[fiery orchid]

i personally would trust the docs/github more than a blogpost

[slow forum]

Yeah that was my mistake as well, mike corrected me a few days ago about that (very politely I must say, when I was a clueless dumba**)

[somber pebble]

it's nvidia's official one tho lool

[slow forum]

Says a lot about the state of things there...

[fickle oyster]

did anyone find a fix for RenoDX with DLAA or DLSS?

because if I use DLAA or DLSS, i get crash every 5-15 minutes with RenoDX HDR mod, so for now I have to play SDR

[dry sundial]

The game constantly crashing all the time is getting fucking annoying

[pseudo mist]

Just in case this happens to anyone else , my game crashes quiet a lot with AFMF 2.1 hmm

[dry sundial]

ive had 3 crashes in a row after one of the main boss fights during the cutscene

[hasty loom]

Disabled addons and Reshade FXs?

It seems to be a config/variations thing because some people get no crashes, some constant

[somber pebble]

Which GPU btw? On a 4090, latest drivers, Reno + DLSS Q (Preset K), Epic settings at 4K. 0 crashes in 12 in-game hours

[hasty loom]

Disabled addons?

[dry sundial]

5090

im using reno, PD, and the RR ini

isnt reno an addon?

[hasty loom]

#1365094340355035167 message

[somber pebble]

Nope, have all liliums shaders there as well. Only using his RCAS shader

Using the beta reshade that was posted here

[hasty loom]

I'm going to build the Reshade without the depth buffer and VR thing. We don't need it and just adds more complexity

They're two addons enabled by default

[hasty loom]

I'm assuming PD refers to perfectdark's Reshade build with DLSSFG added in

[somber pebble]

Is the cause really reshade/reno though? Because how is it 100% stable for me tho? I didn't touch any reshade settings at all

[dry sundial]

yea

[plucky finch]

That's PC gaming for you

[winged dune]

So it would be the whole area in SDR? Never noticed it, but will keep an eye out in whatever glorious SDR UE5 title comes next.

[hasty loom]

DLSSFG is super hacky with the swapchain stuff we're doing. Crashes are almost always resource related

[dry sundial]

it seems to always happen after transition from a cutscene or before and fater a fight

[hasty loom]

Are cutscenes prerendered?

[somber pebble]

I did replace D3D12Core.dll and d3d12SDKLayers.dll I believe with the latest preview version. Before I even booted the game the very first time. I dunno why, just for lols

Not sure if that has anything to do with it

[dry sundial]

no idea

right now it wont let me get pass the cutscenes after this boss fight

crashed 4 times ina row

[somber pebble]

some are, most aren't

[hasty loom]

In Oblivion I left r11g11b10f => rgba16f as an option, off by default. It could be that. It's forced here. Also some shader stuff for PD compatibility, which shouldn't crash, but I don't use that option anymore in any of my mods.

I don't need it for real FG, not sure why PD needs it

[dry sundial]

i deleted everything in my reshade folder now it crashes at startup

[hasty loom]

See if the generic UE mod works

Without PD

[dry sundial]

i got it wrokign just needed to delet and readd the reshade from the PD mod

reload the *

[hasty loom]

// For puredark FG mod compatibility
        renodx::mods::shader::use_pipeline_layout_cloning = false;
        renodx::mods::shader::force_pipeline_cloning = false;

Pipeline cloning off in dx12 requires you to delete shader cache since it makes UE/DX12 write the RenoDX custom shader into the engine's cache. Could crash from that because UE is expecting the hash to match and it won't.

[dry sundial]

How do I do tht?

[hasty loom]

Try the generic UE mod. It doesn't have that option set to false

[timber umbra]

Ofc it's worth it if you're already at 60, to have 120 fps, 60 fps isn't smooth

[pseudo mist]

iam playing on 40-60 fps n feels rlly smooth i dunno xD

this is the only game in which it feels tht way

[timber umbra]

I cry in clair obscur when my fps drop below 80

Which it do without framegen

[pseudo mist]

U using opti?

[timber umbra]

Nah, puredark

With renoDX, the game looks amazing, all epic, 120 fps

I tried Opti it was looking bad

But puredark with dlss 4 framegen is amazing

[pseudo mist]

Ah

[fickle oyster]

5070ti, tried with DLAA and DLDSR with DLSS Q (Preset K), both crashed unfortunately. I am only using Reno and ClairObscurFix

[fickle oyster]

PD is paid addon?

[hasty loom]

Yes

[fickle oyster]

sad but thanks!

[hasty loom]

Try ue generic please.

[timber umbra]

Yes but tbh it's worth it, 5 bucks is basically nothing for a game that great, with so many hours to offer, you can just pay it one time

It really enhanced my experience

[fickle oyster]

will try, I assume its renodx-generic.addon64 file from github

[hasty loom]

Nope

unrealengine

[fickle oyster]

thanks!

[fickle oyster]

even though I can see mod settings in overlay, its not changing anything in game visuals unfortunately, I guess I will wait a fix for renodx-coe33 mod

[hasty loom]

It would only change on scene changes, but I'm more interested to know if it's more stable

[timber umbra]

@fickle oyster Just in case, DLAA is broken in this game, it's not working as intended, closest you can do is custom, 99%

[pseudo mist]

@summer folio my engine.ini file gets deleted do i have to make it read only?

[timber umbra]

Yes

[pseudo mist]

hm i see

[fickle oyster]

yes thats what I heard but I prefer DLDSR with DLSS Quality preset K anyway

it just 1-2 fps lower than DLAA but with better visual quality

[pseudo mist]

Whenever i put my game to borderless full screen my resolution jumps to 7680x4320 and i cant even change it , does anyone have a fix for this

[somber pebble]

Ah right, yeah I'm using ClairObscurFix as well

[somber pebble]

That's 8K lool

[pseudo mist]

I cant make it any lower i can only change reso when iam on full screen mode hm

My monitor is 1440p and i cant scale upto 4k either lol in this game (with my gpu)

[timber umbra]

@pseudo mist borderless just use your actual windows resolution

So somehow your windows is in 8k

[pseudo mist]

what..????

hmm

My max might be that due to a setting i turned on in amd drivers to upscale some games hm

[timber umbra]

Prolly that yes

[jagged portal]

V2.1.2

• Minor change

[visual flower]

what's the change about? 👀

[jagged portal]

Minor internal flag, might stabilize things

Or not 🤷‍♀️

[merry ermine]

oh we're truly AAA now

• bug fixes and stability improvements

[haughty dirge]

hahaha was about to say the same

[hasty loom]

stable AF

[haughty dirge]

luckily ritsu's track record is a fair bit better than most AAA publishers so im able to live with the patch notes in this case 😂

[haughty dirge]

shit thats fucking stable 👌

[jagged portal]

mb, here's something more indie

V2.2.0

• Add RCAS

[slow forum]

Best sharpening algo in a RenoDX mod... is this real ?!

[visual flower]

just to make sure, it's "lilium_rcas_hdr", not the "lilium_cas_hdr"? or a completely different thing?

[jagged portal]

It is lilum_rcas_hdr

[hasty loom]

RCAS is 1+4-sample post-tonemap. CAS is 1+8-sample pre-tonemap iirc

[visual flower]

hm, I thought CAS looks a bit better because it doesn't oversharpen edges, at least in MHwilds but maybe I'm wrong

[jagged portal]

SF6 mod has 1+8-sample post-tonemap CAS

[merry ermine]

are you overriding the game's sharpening or is lyall's mod (or engine.ini I guess) expected?

[sonic scarab]

Question will this work with Lyall's Fix? sharpening value in that I wonder what I have to set to. And as Jon pointed out will it override Lyalls sharpening?

Or could you just remove sharpening line in lyalls fix so it doesn't do anything? 🤔

[jagged portal]

It'll work with the mod but doesn't override anything

[sonic scarab]

So should Sharpening value in Lyalls fix match the RenoDX one?

[cobalt crown]

The man kicking is meant to represent UE5 btw

[hasty loom]

CAS + LUTBuilder could be super optimized... hmm

Since the lutbuilder already outputs in PQ so you don't even need that math

[cobalt crown]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[hasty loom]

I can try with Oblivion. UE has a sharpening system that is already 1+4

[jagged portal]

No, they aren't related. You'll just get double sharpening

[sonic scarab]

So how do you disable lyall's sharpening?

just leave it at 0 and then use RenoDX one?

[cobalt crown]

Lyall is disabling the forced material sharpening that ships with the game

Which you'll want set to 0 in the .ini for Lyall fix

[sonic scarab]

okay so leave it at 0 thanks for the tip. 🙂

[sonic scarab]

What Preset RR you using in nvidia inspector?

hmm does fire look okay?

[visual flower]

does the RCAS slider even work atm?

doesn't seem like it changes anything for me

I have lyall's sharpness set to 0 too

[sonic scarab]

it does. I was using it in cutscene.

Noticed the rocks get a lot more detailed and sharpened.

[neon spire]

yeah the typical volumetric artifacts from dlss4 sr

[neon spire]

aK is worse with volumetrics

[slow forum]

Yeah but when static mostly iirc

[visual flower]

oh it could be because I disabled the runtime and generic depth I suppose

[sonic scarab]

I did too. but it works for me. its very subtle.

[slow forum]

When moving it's not bad at all but some games' vol just won't play nice

[neon spire]

usually worse when there are exposure changes, it freaks out

it was like that in Monster Hunter

[sonic scarab]

At 0 Sharpening:

at 100 sharpening

look at the rocks around campfire.

RCAS 0

RCAS 100

[summer folio]

When I tested D in this game there was aliasing in dof (very noticeable in overworld grass) and texture detail was noticeably less than normal dlss transformer. RR preset E looks like normal SR but with much better denoising in reflections and shadows and slightly less dampened small highlights like the glowing blue flowers in some areas

[sonic scarab]

I just realized I didn't have RR installed in right location lol

[sonic scarab]

Question the file engine.ini didn't exist until I installed RT Enhanced mod in its location to put it. Should all those edits be put in gameusersettings file instead?

[summer folio]

don't know if they work in gameusersettings or not, engine.ini works fine as long as you set it to read-only after creating it

[elder void]

Aw. Now that I had CAS pretty well set up. But! Vast improvement nonetheless. Will make some comparisons. What values do you guys advice starting from? Does this mod RCAS make the UI brighter?

[neon spire]

I usually start from 50

My guess would be that the shader draws before the ui.

[merry ermine]

with cas, anything higher than like 15 feels crunchy to me lol

idk about all the newer modes though

[elder void]

Using this CAS settings myself now.

[pseudo mist]

Rcas around 80 is fine right?

(using through reno)

100 looks just a tad bit too sharp? I dunno

[limber goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REM7Dh40f_g

[sterile monolith]

made me really happy for lyall to be getting shoutouts

[limber goblet]

the UE5 framerate lock camera stutter is very common nowadays

[limber goblet]

EPIC GI seems to be bugged hmm

[haughty dirge]

You just create an engine.ini in the location it needs to be

[summer folio]

I think it's because lumen downsample factor occludes less at a lower factor, epic is 16 high is 32, if you switch between them with the ingame console you will see 32 has a heavier occlusion and can look better sometimes even if it's technically less accurate

[haughty dirge]

Yeah that's been frustrating as you want the increased image qual in other areas with software lumen but the missing AO is fairly noticeable - I guess/IMHO less so once outside prologue

[haughty dirge]

That makes sense

The game is fairly heavily stylized for something that still falls somewhere in the broad category of "realistic visuals" so most visually accurate won't always be best looking IMHO

[haughty dirge]

It's nice to see so many of the modders making these games playable day 1 get a shout-out, but its also sad that Alex's vids have gotten to a point where his recommendation is basically if you wanna play it now, make sure you use mods so it's less broken

[sterile monolith]

thats why PC shall reign supreme forever

[summer folio]

I actually might have misremembered, ini dump in u+ says downsample 128 for high, that's insane

So 128 vs 16 for one preset higher

I don't even see a meaningful performance gain past 32

[haughty dirge]

Ty - useful info 👍

[elder void]

Can I update the mod just by replacing the addon64 file and not the dxgi.dll so my ReShade settings don't reset all the time?

[grizzled jackal]

I don’t think the reshade DLL changes with the updates unless mentioned?

So just addon should be alright

[hasty loom]

I don't think I've had my Reshade settings change from dll changes. I swap debug and release dlls all the time. SK issue?

[elder void]

Oh maybe it's because I first do RenoDX then PureDark's (PerfectDark haha). Both have it's own addon and dxgi.dll

[grizzled jackal]

I mean the PD dxgi will just overwrite renodx‘s

[hasty loom]

That might be a PD dgxi thing

[grizzled jackal]

Btw @hasty loom is it intended behavior that the preset in renodx keep defaulting back to preset 1 instead of the last one you used when booting a game back up? I have that in Clair obscur

Haven’t tested in other games yet I usually use preset one but in Clair Obscur I ended up tweaking preset 2 and it keeps going back to 1 when I close the game and launch it again

[limber goblet]

it works like that in other games too

[hasty loom]

Yes.

[grizzled jackal]

Not a fan

[hasty loom]

Default is 1

[surreal thorn]

New patch btw

[limber goblet]

oh nice they fixed most of the widescreen issues

[hasty loom]

you can copy paste or even rename the presets manually in Reshade.ini

(eg: to make 2 into 1 and vice versa)

[elder void]

Usually it does not reset the ReShade settings then?

[hasty loom]

i've never heard of that. i've seen SK mess with Reshade.ini and make a Reshade2.ini instead

[slow forum]

This is so obnoxiously frequent

Makes no sense to me how it's even possible

[hasty loom]

SK messes with Reshade.ini path

and unifies settings and addon location, manages runtime effects, etc

[ornate pilot]

Reshade can do this too without SK, from what I remember Kal is trying something to fix that.
IIRC this issue is because some games loading reshade two times when boot.

[surreal thorn]

But do renodx still work

[limber goblet]

That’s strange, it should not reset the ReShade settings

[hasty loom]

it's extremely rare in practice, but probably common for how SK works

[limber goblet]

I really hope so haha

[elder void]

Reno working perfectly after the patch on my end.

Still. Since this mod's dxgi.dll has older modified date, I guess that just the addon needs to be updated. Maybe?

[hasty loom]

No idea what's in the custom dxgi.dll

[elder void]

Just used the addon and it got updated. Enjoying RCAS now.

Guess the dxgi.dll is just the compatible version of ReShade for RenoDX that does not need to be updated every new release of the mod.

But I think ReShade resetting was an error on my end. Haha.

[eternal python]

Do we have patch notes?

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1903340/view/499446847117461384

Ok here they are

[surreal thorn]

Yeah check steam, game pass version isn’t up to date yet

[eternal python]

Im playing on steam so yeah. Already downloaded

Seems minor fixes for now

[timber umbra]

@eternal python https://steamdb.info/patchnotes/18363348/

Big fixes, actually, actually impacting builds

[merry ermine]

a patch that changes stuff people actually complain about, that's crazy

[thin pike]

As a 32:9 user, it's always weird to see it get official fixes so quickly.

[fiery orchid]

seeing Lyall's patch being shared around everywhere probably rang a few bells in the studio

and since they are way smaller than 500+ people AAA teams, UW updates are quicker to rollout

[pseudo mist]

does ur preset numbers not save?

[sand willow]

Yea it’s like two patches behind, no?

[surreal thorn]

idk

oh a update dropped on ms store

went from 1.2.0.0 to 1.2.3.0

[sterile monolith]

Lyalls will need an update for xbox

[surreal thorn]

do you even need it anymore
edit: seems like you do

how does one sk + reno + lyall this (deleted the dxgi in reno, seems it's not required..)
i got sk + reno together but confused on how to load lyall as well (yes i know it needs an update)

[fiery orchid]

is the ASI next to the game exe?

[surreal thorn]

im asking how to with sk & reno in the mix, not done anything yet

cause there's a dsound.dll and .asi and conf

[fiery orchid]

ASI in game folder + AutoLoadASIFiles=true in SK ini should work (haven't tested with reno in COE33 yet, but that setup worked with P3R + UE addon)

[surreal thorn]

ok thanks

[winged dune]

I just dropped .asi and .ini in SK Clair Obscur profile folder and loaded it as a plugin through SK GUI.

[sterile monolith]

dsound is just an asi loader

sk can load asi's too, but the dsound would still work just fine

renos dxgi is reshade... you need reshade, but maybe you have it setup that sk is providing that too

when you hover over dll's they tell you what they are

[ornate pilot]

I don't know what went wrong here,, Reno vs engine.ini tweak.
The Location is in crimson forest, you need the ability to fly to reach this location.
Tried playing without any mods and tweaks, and the image looks like the reno version, but I think the correct one is with engine.ini tweak right?
Already tried to repair my game too.

[neon spire]

so you tried in SDR and it looks like the left, then reno is correct

[grim hinge]

engine.ini hdr skips some of the color grading

[ornate pilot]

Yeah, but the right image looks really nice lol, like the location name (crimson forest)

[ornate pilot]

Ah, I see, at first I just wanna do some comparison image.

[grim hinge]

theres a button

called bypass sdr grading

clicking that might give you something like the right

[cobalt crown]

I used .ini tweak for HDR, damn I assumed the lighting getting redder with each activated statue was intended

[jagged portal]

It is afaik

[limber goblet]

that's actually very cool

I like how the game plays with DoF too

and there are people who disable it completely

[winged dune]

Its the location itself, its intended.

You pull swords and it keeps losing color, when you pull all 3 it goes back or to the final color variation, or something.

[elder void]

Nah, I was making a dumb mistake replacing the ReShade.ini every update.

[limber goblet]

I switched back to RR preset E with SR preset J and RCAS 1 + egine.ini tweaks and the game looks and runs good (DLSS Perf)

the performance and sharpness is similar to CNN SR Preset E with Quality DLSS

[sterile monolith]

is RR worth the perf hit

[trim anchor]

its a lot cheaper on 40/50 series

[zenith prism]

is there a guide anywhere for adding RR

[limber goblet]

reflections look really bad without RR, but other than that, not really

[sterile monolith]

I'm already using dlss performance and not getting 4k120 with a 5090

Game needs fg

But it's also timing based game

So

[trim anchor]

rip

the game is demanding

[sterile monolith]

I would expect rr to cost 20% more

[trim anchor]

what is your frame rate target

[sterile monolith]

116

[trim anchor]

I mean what are you hitting

[sterile monolith]

Depends, the map is like high 90s to 100

Other times it's got lots of room

[trim anchor]

damn

what was the 4090 hitting

[sterile monolith]

How should I know

The game just came out like a week ago, I haven't used the 4090 for months

[trim anchor]

time flies

[tight finch]

Probably a bug with Reno, when approaching a fight you should see a lens distortion effect like the screenshot below, but instead you get a blackscreen

[grizzled jackal]

Ive never had a blackscreen when entering a fight like that

[somber pebble]

Not a reno issue for sure, I have none of that

[safe jackal]

wow, native Dual Sense support on PC with the latest gamepass version

I wonder if it shows got sony gamepad button icons (I modded them in)

[eternal python]

Doesnt have haptics tho, no?

[slow forum]

Rumble all around for Epic & Steam. Feature parity on Win store is great

[eternal python]

Yeah rumble I take for granted. I meant more haptic triggers or vibrations that are exclusive to the dualsense

[haughty dirge]

@elder void shouldn't be an SK issue afaik as im running both SK and Reno/Reshade and yeah have never had a settings reset from a .dll change, the reshade.ini should stay the same

[haughty dirge]

afaik (you might be more knowledgeable than me on this front so this is jsut my anecdotal experience) ive only ever run into that when using SK's global reshade/addon system - or when several different mods are being used that come pre-packaged with their own Reshade.dll and peeps might not realise due to the various names they can have, leading to several instances of reshade attempting to be loaded - which i never do any more as it doesnt seem a good fit for Reno. Global SK thru SKIF but LOCAL dxgi.dll and renodx.addon next to game.exe just like the RenoDX install instructions say has always worked best for me and have never had any weird reshade2 etc shenanigans using that setup

[haughty dirge]

same conclusion i ended up with - its not perfect but RR preset E + SR preset J is overall the best balance of visuals/performance imho (at least when keen on running DLSS in perf mode, as I am)

[slow forum]

Well then no. Neither Adaptive Triggers nor Haptics. Simple rumble (which is rather unusual imo - usually there's no vibrations, only Haptics, Haptics wired and wireless Rumble Fallback but rarely just Rumble, GTA5E is the same except they did great Adaptive Triggers effects)

[haughty dirge]

as someone who likes the idea of the PS5 controller's fancy haptics in theory but just happens to have a hand size and shape where that controller causes unavoidable cramping while the Xbox one just seems to fit my hands perfectly - man do i wish more games made use of the adaptive triggers or rumble triggers or wtv xbox calls that feature

its so cool (and genuinely helpful eg in driving games) when implemented well ☺️

[slow forum]

Impulse Triggers

[haughty dirge]

^ thank you haha!

[grim hinge]

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_games_that_support_Xbox_One_impulse_triggers

[haughty dirge]

i knew i was getting it wrong/theyd picked some specific term id forgotten

[grim hinge]

gta v enhanced has really nice haptics on ps5 but its not on pc

[slow forum]

If only that list mentioned most of the game support is on gamepass versions only 😭

[grim hinge]

like you can feel the texture of the terrain you're driving on

and if its asphalt under one side and dirt under the other you can feel that

[slow forum]

Yeah they even outright lied about PC having Haptics

Although they would argue Rumble is emulated with onboard Haptics 🤓

Technically true but dick move Rockstar

[haughty dirge]

in the games that do it best (forza horizon probs the gold standard? at least outta games ive played) it legit communicates vital gameplay information, like you can feel the brakes starting to lock up or which side youre starting to lose traction if turning too aggressively, etc

[slow forum]

That's Adaptive Triggers tho

Has the recent FH5 update brought full Dualsense support or is the RacingDSX mod still necessary ?

I'd hope it did since they ported it to PS5

[haughty dirge]

i have no re idea the PS controller and adaptive triggers as i dont have one; i can only imagine when properly implemented the effect/nuances of what it can communicate must be fairly significant bc you can already feel/gain so much info from the much more basic impulse triggers on the xbox controller when they are well-implemented

[slow forum]

Do you have the win store or steam version ?

(It's the other way around for me: no Xbox controller so i'm curious to experiment SK's Impulse-to-Adaptive Triggers feature 😉)

(But all games from the Impulse Triggers support list that I have are non win store versions & none have it ...)

[timber umbra]

game dont even have haptic or adaptive trigger anyway

[slow forum]

Does it have either on PS5 ?

[timber umbra]

I don't have it on ps5 so can't try, but I've heard that even on ps5 it just have rumbles

[slow forum]

Oh, pity but at least the experience would be consistent across platforms

Unlike Hogwarts the big letdown.. only Haptics on PC 😦 no ATs no gyro flight, no touchpad LED)

[timber umbra]

Sadge, I guess you could use dualsenseY or similar to emulate adaptvie trigger

But that's not the same that's for sure

even with cable tho?

that's surprising, it usually work with cables

[slow forum]

Cable requirement is only for Audio stuff

So Haptics & speaker effects

ATs work wirelessly if implemented.. mods could but no one has made one for Hogwarts (yet 🤞)

[haughty dirge]

i only moved back from xbox to pc a few years ago so between play anywhere & game pass all MS titles or games that are closely enough associated with/supported by MS in some way to bother implementing stuff like the adaptive triggers i have the xbox app = win store version

[elder void]

Nah, it was totally my bad. Since I'm using PureDark's FG mod, they advise to install it on top of RenoDX, like... First Reno dxgi.dll then PD's. This changes nothing, but I was replacing all files just in case, ReShade.ini included. Haha.

[hasty loom]

Resets file. Surprised file is reset. 😎

[elder void]

[pseudo mist]

this game doesnt have nvidia reflex right?

[limber goblet]

by default? no

[pseudo mist]

can u enable through engine.ini

[limber goblet]

you can enable it through SK or RTSS

[pseudo mist]

hm i see

[limber goblet]

maybe if you copy the right dlls to the right place then you can enable reflex through engine.ini too, but I'm not sure

[pseudo mist]

alright

[visual flower]

hey, MPaul, did you make any changes to your preset so far, or just sticking with the one you shared last? :o

[tiny scaffold]

How do you enable Reflex via RTSS?!

[tiny scaffold]

Always used the “normal” framelimiter. Will try this

Seems it causes latency due not being “real” reflex https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/s/v6phUdoxNW

IT doesn’t automatically cap your framerate where real Reflex does. So you still have to hard cap your framerate when using RTSS Reflex

[haughty dirge]

SK is probs your best bet for retrofit Reflex

[limber goblet]

Not sure, I use these settings atm:

[visual flower]

thankies

I'm experimenting a bit more now so was looking for something

I still found that the default was good in most scenarios compared to other presets (game has a tendency to clear the fogginess by itself sometimes) but I think in some areas some clarity and more contrast should look better

[limber goblet]

highlights need to be increased imo, but yea i'm not sure about shadows either

contrast controls both

I happy with this saturation "preset" tho

the mansion is crushed even in SDR at the default settings

[visual flower]

yeah some areas are just overly dark

I think it's mostly lumen issue or something because if you move camera they might light up normally

[eternal python]

I agree. I only increased highlights to 55

Makes the sky pop a bit more

[limber goblet]

or eye adaptation

[haughty dirge]

yeah i know what you guys mean

cant quite tell if its suboptimally implemented eye adaptation

or lumen's "light gather speed" setting or wtv that's called

depending on what the devs go with that too can cause those moments where there isnt enough light immediately - saving performance - but it takes a sec/some camera movement/wtv to change to how its "supposed" to look

[limber goblet]

I lowered Contrast from 53 to 52 and raised Highlights to 54 from 53

I think it looks better now

[visual flower]

I raised shadows to 52 from your preset I think it looked better, but it's minor changes by any means probably

[limber goblet]

thats like lowering contrast to 51

50 shadows and 51 contrast should be identical to 52 shadows 53 contrast

but you have to adjust the highlights too, if you change contrast

[visual flower]

hmm

I'll try it next time

[limber goblet]

we are almost using default settings now xD

with rised highlights

[eternal python]

I did say a week ago default was the best looking imo (minus highlights) xD

[limber goblet]

The saturation preset I use is almost identical to the SDR saturation

but with higher blowout than default

54 saturation 62 blowout = SDR saturation

And I use 58 saturation and 62 blowout

[eternal python]

What's the difference between 54 and 62 vs default?

[limber goblet]

highlights are “whiter”

it looks more correct to my eyes

[eternal python]

Gotcha

I did try some blowout increase but I really don't like the look personally. I'm a default guy just want my highlights to pop

[timber umbra]

What do blowout actually do?

[limber goblet]

rise it to at least 1

0 looks wrong imo

[eternal python]

Desaturates highlights the brighter they are

I think

[timber umbra]

I've set mine to 1, because of one comment and that's it

[eternal python]

I have it at default. Not sure if it's 0

[limber goblet]

0 is the default

[eternal python]

Then yea

[limber goblet]

but its very weird looking

[eternal python]

Same as sdr, no?

[limber goblet]

not exactly

there are no bright highlights in SDR

[timber umbra]

Thank you btw

[eternal python]

Mmmm yea makes sense. Maybe I'll try 1 blowout

[limber goblet]

saturation 51 / blowout 1 matches SDR saturation

[limber goblet]

blowout 0 vs 1

fire looks weird and strange, yellow without bright highlights, with 0

it looks correct with blowout at 1

or more

[eternal python]

Mmmm it's really subtle the change but yea

[sterile monolith]

no, the check box is not needed, (and harmful if you use sk)

for reflex latency markers

[plucky finch]

I don't

but good to know

[sterile monolith]

they are only useful if you are using some other program to tell you latency

i use rtss to inject reflex a lot more now that im using renodx if sk doesnt play nice

[silent sigil]

I've just started the game , does anyone else getting a very dim destaturated imagien with renodx ?

i have aoc q27g3xmn monitor

this is with default settings from mod

[elder void]

I was using async all this time and had the checkbox marked. Maybe that's why some games were behaving stupid with FG. Much better now since I did a DDU. But not the place to talk about this. Haha. I just can't help myself just asking every time you talk about this, because you seem to know so much about it. Hope it's OK if I PM you some day with a couple questions.

[sterile monolith]

no bother for me, i like to think that its my one small contribution to society

[safe jackal]

same shot from my setup

your ss seems fine

[silent sigil]

doesnt it look too dim for you? if I disable hdr image looks birgter overall. I don't have a lot of experience with hdr , as I've just bought a hdr capable monitor

The only other game with hdr i've played is TLOU part 2 and when enabling hdr image wasn't less bright than sdr , the opposite actually

[sand merlin]

What monitor do you have

[safe jackal]

I get it, getting HDR right takes a lot of tweaking on the game, windows and the screen itself

[silent sigil]

aoc q27g3xmn

[safe jackal]

idk if there's any resouce on this discord server with a checklist of things to do on windows and the monitor

in my case
oled TV settings: OLED Brightness 100, Dynamic Tonemapping set to HGiG, Game mode On, turning off any constrast/color enhancement feature, etc..
Windows HDR Settings: HDR On, AutoHDR off, SDR brightness to 50
Windows HDR Calibration tool: create an HDR color profile following instructions (but a lot of people use other methods)
NVIDIA control panel: see the picture (people do different settings depending on screen)

when setting things up I had issues even with the HDMI cable, which wasn't 2.1 compliant, something I needed for 4k120hzHDR

[silent sigil]

as far as the settings display settings this AOC locks out almost all of them in HDR mode , except local dimming options . Done windows calibration already

Maybe that's just how this game is supposed to look

[silent sigil]

I'm using DP cable that came with the monitor

[neon spire]

hdmi 2.1 works much better for me than dp 1.4 not sure why

worth a try

[safe jackal]

if other HDR content you had looked right, then yeah.
I heard that some monitors do "enhanced SDR", and then content looks more boring when switching to accurate HDR.

[hasty loom]

12bit limited ycbcr

assuming you have an LG

[safe jackal]

hdmi 2.1 has like 50% more bandwidth

ycbcr police caught me using RGB on my lg oled

[hasty loom]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-right-there-tonyactsout-halt-hold-it-right-there-dont-move-gif-22159112

[surreal thorn]

do you even get mpos like that

[hasty loom]

if it works with scrgb it should work the same regardless. no tv accepts 16bit scrgb

supposedly the fastest is HDR10 in 10bit which is the "wire" signal, but i've never tested it

[warped ginkgo]

@limber goblet when blowout is set to 0, all the per chanel correction is turned off

even if you pump it up by one tick; per channel corection turns on ;so you get a crazy different image (when it comes to blowout)

wait thats restoration

there was something else

why blowout 0 and 1 look completely different

[eternal python]

Am I blind in not seeing a huge difference from this?

[warped ginkgo]

the white in the fire

[hasty loom]

blowout 0 and blowout 1 should only apply to highly saturated, almost cartoonish, highlights

it should do nothing related to per channel correction

assuming it's like the other UE mods

[warped ginkgo]

yea I forgot the code block, but I remember seeing another block of code

that only runs if blowout and a few other params are not 0

[hasty loom]

that's scene grading strength

[warped ginkgo]

0 = fully red fire

1 = the fire starts getting blown out a bit; and has white in it

[eternal python]

Oh i checked in the monitor now and yeah. It was not as visible in the phone

[warped ginkgo]

also I assume mpaul is talking about 1 tick on the mod

not 1.f (slider 50?)

[eternal python]

Yeah

[hasty loom]

i do mean 0.01

or rather 0.02 (which is 1 on the slider)

[warped ginkgo]

ye

basically off vs. on

this was what I was thinking of

https://github.com/marat569/renodx/blob/d265bee996eccedbf2e441eeac5ff6b75934a13a/src/shaders/reno_drt.hlsl#L274C3-L280C69

iirc thats the saturation part of renodrt/post tonemapping

[sonic scarab]

this is actually due to auto exposure in the game. Look other way and you get very vibrant and nice looking colors.

[sonic scarab]

I have that monitor as well btw.

[silent sigil]

yeah , i think you are right. It's auto exposure + the look of the starting town area

I progressed into the next forest one and everything is more vibrant and bright there

[sonic scarab]

I legit posted that same screenshot before. 🙂 so yeah. Its just auto exposure being really aggressive there.

I think that is only spot so far I've seen have that issue.

[ebon python]

Wait, so I should be using ycbcr on my LG C2 and not RGB?

[hasty loom]

that's the new consensus

LG will convert RGB to YCbCr internally with a LUT

LG TVs specifically

[ebon python]

So not just this scenario

All of PC game usage?

[hasty loom]

TVs are YCbCr and if you send RGB they'll convert it to YCbCr themselves

[ebon python]

Fair enough. Idk how I missed this lol

[hasty loom]

#🖥️tvs-and-monitors message

came up twice in the other topic

that's generally around the second discussion

[ebon python]

Good to know though. I had been following what I found on r/OLED_Gaming there's a Google doc that get's updated for LG OLED settings

Awesome! I'll take a look at it, though I don't read much more than the specific channels related to the game I'm playing so that adds up why I'd not seen it in that channel lol. Thanks for sending the link!

Nothing is weird with the color or banding because it's limited range instead of full range? Or is it irrelevant because it's dropping that extra data in the full range anyway?

Because of the conversion that the TV is doing

[hasty loom]

it's supposed to have less banding because of lack of conversion

[ebon python]

Fair enough. Do I switch the TV settings to limited range as well I'm guessing? I've had it set to full because that's I was using

[hasty loom]

yeah, on the TV as well

[ebon python]

I have one more question I think lol. Do I leave the same W11 HDR calibration? I've got it set for 800 nit max and 0 low

[hasty loom]

Yes

[limber goblet]

It's something like

Windows is RGB -> converting to YCbCr via the GPU driver -> sending it to the TV -> TV processes the signal in YCbCr then converts it to RGB to display the image

vs

Windows is RGB -> sending the RGB signal to the TV -> TV convert RGB to YCbCr to process the signal? then converts it back to RGB to display the image

RGB should be better on paper but it's not 😅

[sterile monolith]

any possibilities for the FMV's to get an HDR upgrade too

[warped ginkgo]

you could run autohdr

on the fmvs

but ritsu isnt a fan, and I'm not either

we have the option of using either bt2446, inverse reinhard, or pumbo's advanced autohdr

but again autohdr is autohdr; post process memes

its just going to make the sdr image brighter

imo its not worth it; shortfuse likes it

[haughty dirge]

10 looks pretty good to me - having left all other settings at default - otherwise things like, the centre of a flame or looking directly at a bright light source was just a bit too colourful/saturated

[sterile monolith]

just something to take the edge off of swapping from renodx realtime and fmv

[warped ginkgo]

it would look more uncanny, esp if the video is high apl

get that nice flashbang

[sterile monolith]

idk, never had a problem with any of the videos in the shortfuse mods

[warped ginkgo]

depends on the game; but overall its not worth

like when you use autohdr, like lets say only rtx hdr

everything blends correctly

because fmv or game scene doesnt matter

its all getting processed the same

but like some games go in and out of fmv and real time

and idk, its just not something I'm into

its a video file, watch it at game nits

esp when the video file has visible artifacts and grain

[neon spire]

the banding is so bad don't forget about that

[wraith atlas]

Most of the cinematics are in-game.
But the pre-rendered ones aren't affected by the HDR mod.
The actual video files would have to be altered and then modded back into the game.

[warped ginkgo]

yea the banding is going to be 10x worse

and then compression artifacts

[warped ginkgo]

shortfuse adds auto-hdr for fmvs/pre-rendered videos in some mods

[hybrid wind]

Is there an incoming U+ mod?

[sterile monolith]

We are on rc4

You can get it on their discord already

Im really happy with it

Extended shadow distance, better texture loading, the skin and hair improvements

[hybrid wind]

The screenshots seemed to hint at more or less no perf cost in this case at least?

[sterile monolith]

There's some but not terrible

I'm not using rr either, that would suck more up

Running around the prologue I don't think I dipped below 90

[hybrid wind]

Don't you have a 5090 anyway 😄

[sterile monolith]

Lumen ghosting is improved too

[sterile monolith]

Yes but even with dlss performance I don't have locked 4k120, the games pretty heavy in some parts

But at least now it looks a lot more like the cost would make you think it should

[hybrid wind]

My 5070 Ti is mostly fine at maintaining 60 with DLSS 4 Balanced, aside from some cutscenes with heavy DoF (I am almost tempted to lock them back at 30 in Lyall's mod lol)

[sterile monolith]

I hope for native fg someday

That would really ease up the requirements

[hybrid wind]

Clearly

[limber goblet]

@haughty dirge Is the current U+ version stable?

[slow forum]

There's a 60fps interpolated & "cleaned" fmv cutscenes mod though

[somber pebble]

yes and it looks amazing! first mod I installed and only one (apart from Lyall's)

[somber pebble]

Haven't installed U+ yet but on a 4090 7800x3d, 4K all on Ultra except Post FX on High, DLSS Preset K on Quality. It does dip below 60 at times, a lot of times actually lol. Camera rotation isn't smooth as well even if at 60 or above, like on Digital Foundrys video.

Hopefully U+ does fix a bit of this, Lyall's "Timer Resolution" thing did help a bit but not by much. It never feels trully smooth to me, it's odd. FPS is Unlimited and Vsync ON both in game and always have it ON on NVCP as well, as I'm using Gsync always

[slow forum]

Worth the 5-6 gigs

[pseudo mist]

why did ya reduce the game brightness btw

[limber goblet]

That’s paper white and to increase highlight contrast

790 is the max peak brightness of my TV and 173 pw is the recommended value for 790-800

but my “gaming room” is pitch balck 😄

[elder void]

Full RGB here for years. Haha. Ona C9. What's the setting on TV tied to this though?

[pseudo mist]

ah i see

[pseudo mist]

since theres people sometimes in n out of my room i got to keep my lights on 😭

[limber goblet]

U+ is adjusting the skin color, nooo why

"Tune skin transmission in red channel, particularly fall off, to be more natural"

it just messes with saturation calibration

[pseudo mist]

oh?

[limber goblet]

highlights on skin are kinda redish now

I have to decrese the highlight saturation but that messes up the light source saturation

The workaround is maybe rising blowout and normal saturation

[slow forum]

@storm pagoda , U+ shouldn't touch this. It's RenoDX's job

[somber pebble]

Oh, was about to install U+ : o

[limber goblet]

I asked them to make the change optional on the U+ channel. It's probably a good thing if you are not using RenoDX

[slow forum]

Ik, I reacted to your post 😉

[limber goblet]

You should, I'm testing it, and other than this, it's very good

[visual flower]

what does it improve upon?

[limber goblet]

a lot of things, like fog/hair/shadows

lighting

and the system requirements are nowhere near as high as with the snakeoil engine.ini settings

ok not everything was snakeoil, but like half of the ini edits haha

[gaunt hearth]

How much is the performance hit though?

[limber goblet]

I will measure it just a sec

btw you can change the bloom intensity too which is huge haha 60% looks good

[visual flower]

do you need to tweak it in any way or it's just install and play?

[limber goblet]

the GPU usage is around 18% higher

[limber goblet]

just install and play, you can tweak the lighting quality if you want better performane but thats it

LightingDownsampleFactor default is x24 I think, increase it to x32 for more performance

[visual flower]

where do you change that? 👀

[limber goblet]

in the ini

[slow forum]

As usual with U+

[limber goblet]

UltraPlusConfig.ini

[visual flower]

oh

[limber goblet]

60% bloom and fog helps a lot imo

[winter merlin]

There's u+ for expeditrion 33? where? it's not on nexus

[limber goblet]

Check the U+ discord

[winter merlin]

thanks

[limber goblet]

100% bloom/fog scattering vs 60%

[somber pebble]

first is 100% right?

[limber goblet]

yes

[somber pebble]

looks way more vaseline smeary

yheah

[limber goblet]

80% is good too

It does not change the artistic vision too much, but it's a lot less "blurry"

[slow forum]

So it's basically like before/after morning coffee vision kinda thing

[limber goblet]

no need to change bloom tbh, reducing the fog scattering is enough

Vanilla Game with RenoDX vs U+ with RenoDX (Same Reno settings)

Skin tone and lighting is very different. With U+, highlighs are hue shifting around her nose/cheeks

[slow forum]

Not only different but looking very off

Vanilla lighting, face is integral to the character in the scene, with U+ it stands out way too much, kinda hero lighting like and artificial

[limber goblet]

yes it's kinda weird, it's not really this "bad" in-game tho

but I have to test it in differnt lighting conditions

[slow forum]

Most telling is background character

She looks in the correct shadows vanilla, but with U+ it's like there's a magic extra light source

[limber goblet]

I can reduce exposure/rise shadows to fix it

but that causes other issues

[slow forum]

Shouldn't have to tho, it will impact all the rest of the game's scenes

[limber goblet]

yup

[hasty loom]

Could be a shader variation. The mod has hard coded Scene Grading values so you can't test it. But U+ could have no Per Channel Correction

[visual flower]

it's definitely clearer but idk it loses some atmosphere imo

[limber goblet]

yea fog is there “for a reason” and caves/etc are not foggy/blurry

still I think it looks good with fog scattering at 80%

[visual flower]

I also found it weird looking when the scene is hella foggy but somehow around your character it's super clear when people tweak these settings

I get the idea but it kinda feels off, like your char suddenly has a super cleaning aura 😆

[limber goblet]

so which one looks better ? 😄

the ultimate battle of blowout

the second image feel a lot more "grounded" to me

the crystal on the first one looks too "cartoony" imo

[eternal python]

Nooo why the skin issues with ultra+ :((

Welp, I'm close to the end I think so not much use for it now. So vanilla it is. Its not like it looks bad anyway

[limber goblet]

vanilla looks fine imo as long as the resolution is high enough to hide the flaws

But I will probably use U+ on my NG+ run

[stiff forge]

What is u+ for?

Performance?

[limber goblet]

it fixes the graphical issues with the game

like shadows/hair/lighting etc

[stiff forge]

Yeah but does it decrease performance?

[limber goblet]

it does

[stiff forge]

Oh alr

[limber goblet]

not as muc has the engine.ini "fixes" but it does

[stiff forge]

The engine.ini decreases performance???

Im using it

[limber goblet]

well ofc if you enable ray recosntruction and other stuff then it does by a lot actually

20-30%

[stiff forge]

That explains why cutscenes are sometimes below 30 fps

[limber goblet]

haha

[stiff forge]

So between the both, should I use u+?

[limber goblet]

U+ has issues, but it looks good during normal gameplay imo

issues like this: #1365094340355035167 message

between the engine.ini edits and U+, I think U+ is a lot better

it's also configurable

[stiff forge]

I think imma just keep it like this

It looks good

Ty for explaining doe

I always see people talk about u+

Now ik what it is

[limber goblet]

yea it's a great mod

[visual flower]

without reading comments I think first one looks cleaner even if the shadows are not as chonky

it's just more cohesive

but otherwise there's barely any difference

[limber goblet]

interesting because the only difference is the saturation

[haughty dirge]

its still a release candidate for a reason in the sense that it makes a huge positive visual difference but Lazorr is early in the game so, as is bound to happen, some of the changes cause unexpected visual issues later on that he's been addressing v quickly as people come across them. but from a stability perspective ive found it perfectly stable when not using ray reconstruction, and more than stable enough when using ray reconstruction to make using RR worth it (like ive had the odd crash after a few hours, tho that's just one person's experience, there are peeps on the U+ Discord who seem to have a lot more stability issues if using RR specifically)

[visual flower]

maybe it's just the timing of the screenshots then, in terms of saturation I don't see any diff

also after trying U+ I do not see any difference lol

but maybe I'm using it wrong

[limber goblet]

focus on the crystal, especially the highlights on the crystal

[visual flower]

no fps or quality changes for me

yeah I looked at it and did not see anything xd

maybe it's different in other scenarios, I'm on oled 1000peak

[limber goblet]

yea maybe your display is too saturated to show the difference

[haughty dirge]

everything 😅 but seriously, basically every visual issue i had with the vanilla game has either been solved or significantly improved. in many cases with no major performance penalty bc the devs just seemed to be using the settings wrong, for lack of a better term

[visual flower]

I'm also slightly colorblind so that could be it lol

[limber goblet]

then its not active haha

[visual flower]

do I need to activate it somehow?

[limber goblet]

I mean if the dll is not hooking then it's not working

if you change the settings in the config and you press F12 in game then you should see the settings change

[haughty dirge]

extremely dependent on the settings you use for the mod - as a baseline, the default settings have a significant impact on image qual without a significant perf cost. but if you have the head room to spare you can push things way past the game's native settings, particularly re lighting/anything lumen related

[visual flower]

oh nvm I tried the wrong version lol

gotta try it again

[storm pagoda]

I'll make it optional but would def like to make it work, I've enabled light transmission and tuned the skin accordingly to deal with problems of enabling it. Generally speaking the skin is noticeably higher quality but it is different.

[limber goblet]

it costs about 18% in GPU usage on a 4080 at the default settings compared to vanilla

[visual flower]

damn that's quite a chonky cost tbh

[storm pagoda]

Did you see the scalability changes in the pins

[visual flower]

considering some locations already tank fps

[limber goblet]

ahh that explains it

thanks haha

then if we match the settings then it should perform near identical to vanilla I think

back to testing

[storm pagoda]

maybe slightly lower given some of the quality improvements on the extensions side

[visual flower]

would be cool to have like a video comparison

[storm pagoda]

Not sure if you have any thoughts on skin, but so far most folks have enjoyed the increase in skin quality. The one issue is too much red from the transmission being enabled on the sun

[visual flower]

of starting locations and battles between vanilla and u+

[storm pagoda]

Well, and other light sources

I didn't just change red for no reason ha, I changed it cause light transmission through materials is enabled

[limber goblet]

Yes, I mean it looks good most of the time, the character selector/inventory screen is kinda weird looking, but other than that, it looks good during gameplay

[storm pagoda]

Will still make it optional

[limber goblet]

I will try to test more locations, but I'm still in Act1 😄

[storm pagoda]

And revert one of the sky changes, probably push to nexus today

[limber goblet]

Thanks!

[storm pagoda]

I'm just glad reno and it are compatible this time around without extra work

[visual flower]

so far I feel like while it could look better in certain conditions it kinda goes against what they optimized the game to look like in some scenes and scenarios

so a lot of details or artistic shots are kinda lost, well I can't really say A LOT because I barely tested it

but it kinda looks like that

[haughty dirge]

i should have added the context Lazorr just alluded to - with U+ you can basically set some settings to low and have a better looking experience than any of the game's native settings. i probs phrased it badly. the mod's "default settings" do have a performance penalty, but the mod's default already significantly increase the visual quality. you can dial it way back down and have a better visual experience than vanilla at no performance cost

[limber goblet]

yes I forgot that the in-game epic settings are no longer the vanilla epic settings with U+ haha

[haughty dirge]

im curious what visual features/style choices you feel U+ affects negatively? bc honestly i just notice it fixing visual flaws and artefacts, not messing with the artistic direction. keep in mind the mod settings (the ultraplus.ini) gives you a lot of latitude in that regard - if peeps turn off depth of field and get rid of all bloom and fog etc then yes the game will look super clear but very stylistically different. if you like that stuff, just set those settings to "game" (meaning the mod will set them to the game's default values) or leave depth of field on, don't reduce the distance fog, etc 🙂

that having been said i myself am nowhere near the end of the game so its v possible that there are areas later on where U+ has impacts im unaware of

[visual flower]

I'm thinking it's mostly lighting/shadows changes for me, while they can look nice there is something that feels a bit lost in the process but I can't really put that into words, but also keep in mind I only tried it barely, so I might be wrong and it could be better in most cases

will have to try it later when finishing the game I think

if I have desire to play more and more (which I think I'll do)

[haughty dirge]

i think i can picture what you mean, it definitely affects lighting and shadows quite a bit (purposefully i suppose because those are areas many would consider substandard/close to broken in the vanilla version of the game). which is why that easily falls into the "fixing visual problems" bucket for me. but i guess everyone experiences it differently and if you prefer the way it looks in vanilla then... that's what you prefer

[storm pagoda]

I found vanilla unplayable due to being filled with artifacts and low quality ha, but I can agree the last sky change probably wasn't great

you could lower your quality if you want the lighting to be a little more vanilla but my low setting is 4x higher than vanillas high lol

they used a downsample factor of 128..... for high

no games go above 32

[visual flower]

@limber goblet btw any idea why your preset could make the colors look more blue in some cases?

or how I can fix it xd

[limber goblet]

more blue? Not sure, lower the saturation by 1-2

[storm pagoda]

what kind of settings yall using

just pushed a version with a revert for sky and an option to turn off the skin and light stuff

[storm pagoda]

for reno

also absolutely love including RCAS, its really the only sharpening I'll ever use, hope we see it in other renos

[eternal python]

Yeah I have no complains other than the hair with DoF and some LoD of minor terrain debris

[slow forum]

Would be awesome in the Cyberpunk one

[limber goblet]

U+ RC5 is looking really good so far

the performance is about the same with the adjusted settings

I mean compared to vanilla

[storm pagoda]

how'd you end up tuning your settings

oh and also the added benefit of DLSS4 working well with U+ is a big bonus

[slow forum]

Would you consider adding a flag for rr presets ?

[storm pagoda]

I can't do that

[slow forum]

I don't use nvpi revamped

[slow forum]

Oh 😭

[storm pagoda]

has to be done through NVPI

and highly recommend preset E

[limber goblet]

LightingDownsampleFactorOverride=x32 High View Distance and:

[slow forum]

Hopefully looks better than in 77... It's crap with the sky

[storm pagoda]

so far most folks seem to report positive results

[limber goblet]

you mean RR preset?

[storm pagoda]

yeah

[slow forum]

They don't look up tho, it's ever present

[limber goblet]

unfortunately RR tanks performance too much

[storm pagoda]

I been looking up

[limber goblet]

on my poor 4080 haha

[slow forum]

Rest is fine but sky is totally fucked up

[slow forum]

Guess you're lucky then

[storm pagoda]

I think its just a cyberpunk related issue

[slow forum]

Typical 😅

[storm pagoda]

I use E in every game with RR

even cyberpunk cause its better than having boiling everywhere

[slow forum]

Oh but that's with U+ that you get boiling ?

[storm pagoda]

and vanilla

[slow forum]

Vanilla is way more stable

[storm pagoda]

not for me

[slow forum]

Oh, well 77 be like ig

I wish Kal would give a shit about RR and added dedicated preset override in SK

But he hates RR

[limber goblet]

profile inspector works well

[slow forum]

Annoying to use tbh

And main project builds don't have the right presets list for RR like revamped has

[limber goblet]

I have no problem with it but yea I use revamped too

[slow forum]

Lacks dark theme and user friendly search instead of having to scroll through the immense profile list imo

[storm pagoda]

this is not something I've ever considered for a set and forget program

[slow forum]

But that's the thing, it's never really set and forget when driver/NVapp updates reset some overrides

DLSS Tweaks or SK are way more convenient for me in this regard

[storm pagoda]

At least in that regard I spend way too much time fucking about with SK and getting things to not break especially when using reno

And I never install nv app, just breaks stuff

[slow forum]

Recent builds got better when it comes to adding RenoDX but yeah, SK is still tricky to deal with for that combo from time to time

[storm pagoda]

Didn't Kal make reno a banned word

[slow forum]

Wdym

[fiery orchid]

you can't write "renodx" in specialk discord

except for mods/patrons

[slow forum]

For real ?

😅

[fiery orchid]

yes

[slow forum]

I'll write RenoVK then

[slow forum]

Instead of building together... So weird of his

[storm pagoda]

as a mod developer with a lot of users asking for help.... I completely understand lol

[slow forum]

It's his pride getting in the way as usual tho

He hates it when someone criticizes SK not being up to snuff

[storm pagoda]

no comment, but I will say its quite difficult supporting a lot of users doing lots of different things and using many tools together

[slow forum]

And proving him wrong is the ultimate sin 😅

[limber goblet]

Well Kal even left the server 😅

[slow forum]

Agreed but still, he tackled more difficult messes in the past

[slow forum]

At least he's not at Unwinder levels of pride

[eternal python]

I've never had issues with driver updates overriding presets in NVInspector

[slow forum]

Yeah my bad, I think it's the NVapp doing that

[eternal python]

I have the NVapp and it's not changing anything either. Maybe cause I have it set to latest preset and I always use K

[slow forum]

Yeah it keeps its own overrides

But not yours thru nvpi

Although I remember global profile dlss preset override used to get reset after driver updates but I don't use that anymore

[eternal python]

That's what I use

[slow forum]

Now it sticks ? 😊

[eternal python]

Does it get reset? Well then it must be the NVapp but I always check preset when starting a game and it's always K

So something it's making it be K

[eternal python]

Haven't checked

[slow forum]

That's the new default

[eternal python]

I just kinda set it up once and forgot about it

[slow forum]

For 310.2.1 I mean

[eternal python]

Ohhhh gotcha, then makes sense xD

[eternal python]

So just updating to that already enables K, right?

[slow forum]

Unless the game specifically calls a preset, yeah

[eternal python]

Nice

[slow forum]

Like GoT calls C still

[eternal python]

C? Damn

[slow forum]

It's great for this game tbf

[eternal python]

Game of thrones you mean?

[slow forum]

Sharpest and nothing is fast paced enough to make it go brrr

No, Ghost of Tsushima

[eternal python]

Oh lol

Dunno. Maybe works good there, but E at least would probably be better no?

If not K

[slow forum]

K is broken in it anyway 😅

E is nice indeed

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/995299946028871737/1345408933942005810/Ghost_of_Tsushima_Directors_Cut_Screenshot_2025.03.01_-_15.53.39.51.png?ex=682162f6&is=68201176&hm=6d8ac54f77641c15a0ebc498f4ac0192be1f49eb59e98f155aa6e9b1c18aa625&

[slow forum]

^

[eternal python]

Lol, that's weird

[sterile monolith]

https://github.com/Orbmu2k/nvidiaProfileInspector/releases/tag/2.4.0.19

The original Nvpi supports changing those things too

[slow forum]

Mislabeled

And not sure it uses the right thing internally (I couldn't make it work selecting E for RR)

Had to use the revamped fork to make it work and went back as I was digusted by the result in cyberpunk's sky

[slow forum]

(Just asked in Opti's discord, it's a RenoDX + Opti quirk)

[visual flower]

what's recommended for 1000? I assume 203?

[limber goblet]

yes

[visual flower]

thanks

[neon spire]

ray reconstruction on u+?

[limber goblet]

nope, normal denoiser

[limber goblet]

100% vs 80% fog scattering

80% is a big improvement imo

[buoyant falcon]

what is 10% looks like

[limber goblet]

this is 20%

[buoyant falcon]

i would go 10% probably

[limber goblet]

well there is no 10% option

😄

[buoyant falcon]

😩

[limber goblet]

0-20-40...

[buoyant falcon]

is this ultra +

[limber goblet]

yes

[buoyant falcon]

100% is like mega bloom

[limber goblet]

this is 0% aka off

it only controls the scattering it does not disable fog

[buoyant falcon]

looks fine to me

[limber goblet]

it can look weird here and there

[buoyant falcon]

ill play this game later

[limber goblet]

I would not go below 60% personally

[buoyant falcon]

now waiting for doom tda

[limber goblet]

😄

[grizzled jackal]

i like that 80 setting

[storm pagoda]

I was using 60 bloom and 60 scattering

[limber goblet]

This yellow forest area is really taxing with Ultra+

i was getting 37-47 fps near the area boss

it's 60 without Ultra+

I wonder which option causes the massive framerate drop

it's a combination of foliage+shadows

that causes the massive fps drop with U+

medium shadows + high foliage "fixes" it

[storm pagoda]

seems more like a bug than anything, will fix it

its possible that it is a result of fixing their foliage rendering

if that's the case then might just be what it is

but will see

[visual flower]

yea this area is pretty heavy on fps

I think it's probably due to GI/shadows

a ton of foliage

[limber goblet]

it's the foliage

[eternal python]

I don't know if it's using nanite but if it is yeah, makes sense

Nanite and foliage are not the best of friends

[sonic scarab]

For giggles I turned on DLAA at 1440p res. With 4080Super i17 13700K, and Ultra+ almost maxed except for Reflections in U+ config.

[eternal python]

(but I actually think they are not using nanite)

[sonic scarab]

Game uses nanite. So does Oblivion remastered

I think.

[eternal python]

If it does it's not applied to everything. I've seen quite a bit of popin in my game

[sonic scarab]

nanite if done wrong doesn't really fix poppin that much.

Ultra+ does kinda fix that though.

actually. I might be confusing terms.

Its Lumen that is in use?

@eternal python ^

[eternal python]

Lumen it's definitely in use

It's the lighting system

[storm pagoda]

nanite is rendering all the foliage

[eternal python]

Yeahhh, then it makes sense the fps dying when there's a lot of foliage

[storm pagoda]

and the fix i implemented to get rid of pop in and the low quality radius around the player decreases the fps a bit more, is what it is

[sonic scarab]

oh o.O

nanite then damn.

[eternal python]

They really need to fix nanite behavior with foliage at epic

Well they really need to fix the engine itself, but foliage would be a good start lol

[hybrid wind]

Gotta hand it, the U+ mod makes the characters' skin, in particular Maelle, excellent most of the time

[eternal python]

Does someone have a link to the mod?

[eternal python]

Thanks!

[trim anchor]

Subsurface scattering wasn't enabled?

[hybrid wind]

It was

Skins already looked good with it

[eternal python]

Are they some comparison shots from vanilla vs Ultra+?

[hybrid wind]

But SSS is a very fickle thing that can dramatically change with just a few changes

Not sure what technique UE5 is relying on, likely a diffusion dipole, but introducing/enabling transmission is bound to have a profound visual effect

[storm pagoda]

enabling light transmission and changing all of the subsurface skin profile settings accordingly

[hybrid wind]

They have shading parameters such as Scale or Radius, I imagine?

[storm pagoda]

various types of RGB settings, blend settings, physical properties

I do have one more change I want to make I think

to reduce some of the issues on skin edge where strong sunlight hits

[timber umbra]

What's Ultra plus discord pls?

[hybrid wind]

Not sure if UE5's SSS would be affected by it, but one of the common bane in rendering is having your SSS scale/radius set to look good for an average thickness let's say, and the moment it gets closer to thin edges, it breaks down and you start seeing darkening, typically green/blue-ish when it comes to human skin

[timber umbra]

Can I get Ultra server please? cant find it

[trim anchor]

https://discord.gg/Fn5aYuv5

[timber umbra]

tyvm

[storm pagoda]

gonna release on nexus tonight

[pseudo mist]

Whats U+?

[sonic scarab]

Ultra+ the one that has fixed many games.

Hogwarts legacy / Cyberpunk / Stalker 2 recently.

[pseudo mist]

Oh its like reno?

[sonic scarab]

uh no kinda more like a working ini edit but more extensive.

[pseudo mist]

Hm i see

[sonic scarab]

https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivionremastered/mods/27

an example of what it does. each game is different.

[pseudo mist]

Ohh i see

[sonic scarab]

it improves performance and even can improve things too in how well its done.

[pseudo mist]

Ah i see