✅RenoDX: Clair Obscur - Expedition 33

[bold minnow]

kinda looks most natural to me

[limber goblet]

80/80 is very similar to 62/62

[bold minnow]

I thought so yea

[limber goblet]

near identical actually

80/80 is a little bit more saturated maybe

80/80 equals to 65/62

[warped ginkgo]

if you're interested in how the sliders effect the image

you can look at the desmos graph

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/yi7feyagg7

drop down "renodrt variables"

and just move shit up and down

[visual flower]

what kind of preset are you using atm?

[limber goblet]

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[visual flower]

thanks, appreciate it

[limber goblet]

np

[pearl wagon]

Has anyone tried this to improve camera movement stutter? I did 1/2 refresh rate through nvidia profile inspector and set a FPS (in-game) to 60FPS on my 120hz monitor. I'm not sure but I think it looks smoother.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/clair-obscur-expedition-33-pc-performance-thread.1171896/page-20#post-139357026

[eternal python]

I have 0 issues with that, running butter smooth for me

Surprising given that it's Unreal

Only get few stutters in cutscenes but I think that might be cause of Lyalls fix unlocking to 60fps

All in all great experience so far

[winged dune]

Ain't no way i'm gonna use V-Sync instead of 0 issues with 60 SK VRR optimized cap.

[warped ginkgo]

did anybody notice anything weird

with uncapped cutscenes

and lipsync

[warped ginkgo]

if you're using vrr you want vsync

vrr gets sad when you dont use vsync

[winged dune]

I mean, its on, just never getting engaged with 120hz.

[warped ginkgo]

vsync is always on when you're in vrr range

[eternal python]

Why no Vsync? That's what im using and its running well

I would get it if it was a competitive game for latency tho

[warped ginkgo]

there is no latency penalty on vsync if you're in your vrr range

[winged dune]

It was my assumtion that normal V-Sync has no effect unless you're hitting over your refresh rate, but i might be wrong.

[warped ginkgo]

nope

[winged dune]

I meant i'm not using V-Sync 1/2 instead of SK setup 🙂

[warped ginkgo]

vsync behaves the same as vsync does, but with no latency penalty when you use vrr

but you dont want to use fractional vsync

that griefs hard

[neon spire]

so if I am using vrr I should use ncp vsync 1/2 or in-game vsync?

I am using currently SK with 60fps cap

[buoyant falcon]

no and maybe

dont use half vsync

[eternal python]

I would recommend Vsync with VRR

[buoyant falcon]

if ingame vsync is not broken then use it

[visual flower]

btw what sharpening value do you guys use?

[warped ginkgo]

whatever the default in the fix is

[visual flower]

which version?

later versions have it at 0

[warped ginkgo]

rip didnt even look

[limber goblet]

yup, zero stutter with SK

[main elm]

0 and force dlss preset j

[visual flower]

I gotta try J, do you guys just use it because of better volumetrics?

game does have a lot of fog but it didn't bother me too much

and I really lke the clear textures

[main elm]

the sharpening is really bad even at low values, its just bad - use RCAS or something if you need to, just forget about that ingame one

[main elm]

yeah tbh i cant really see much difference between j and k, except k is worse on volumetrics

[visual flower]

hm

[main elm]

they're both far sharper in that good way than the old presets

[visual flower]

alright, I'll try it out, tyty

I see, that's great

game tends to blur out further objects anyway so

[warped ginkgo]

@main elm does J not ghost?

[main elm]

and yeah somehow the artifacts on volumetrics dont bother me that much in the game even though theres a lot

[warped ginkgo]

K was a rip, and I went back to E

[main elm]

it does, but less

K is basically unusable compared to that

[warped ginkgo]

yea I ditched K fast

[visual flower]

are there any video comparisons?

[warped ginkgo]

I might give J a try sometime; but for now E seems pog

[eternal python]

I have been using K and haven´t noticed anything too weird honestly

But maybe Im blind

[wraith atlas]

K has been fine for me too. Might be a resolution issue. idk

[eternal python]

Could be yeah. I´ve never had Issues with it at 4K on a big screen so far

It always looks better than other presets

SO much that I have it enabled by default in ProfileInspector for all games lol

[limber goblet]

J has issues if you don't move the camera aka during more static cutscenes

[visual flower]

I'm playing at 2k and K definitely has some volumetric issues and some ghosting (on the hair movements mostly) but it's nothing crucial

I'll try J though just to feel it out

[visual flower]

what kind of issues?

[limber goblet]

Dark line "patterning"? Hard to describe

[visual flower]

hm

[limber goblet]

pattern like artifacts especially in volumetrics and cloud

it's not as bad as preset k's smearing tho

it's kinda hard to notice in this game so I guess preset J is probably the best option atm

preset E works fine too

[warped ginkgo]

I'm on 4k balanced so idk

[limber goblet]

still in act 1 but I had to change my settings again:

[visual flower]

wouldn't it lose some of that sweet texture clarity K provides?

[limber goblet]

I find preset K too sharp at times tbh

[visual flower]

are you using lyall's fix?

[limber goblet]

yea

[warped ginkgo]

yea; but it doesnt smear like crazy

[limber goblet]

preset K is not great especially during cutscenes when that horrible DoF is used

[visual flower]

are you playign on oled btw?

[safe jackal]

it's a trade off from stability to sharpness between E (most stable) J and K (sharpest)
on MHWilds the artifacts were too distracting for me, almost every map had them
on Exp33, I noticed them but it's on way less scenes and not as distracting

[limber goblet]

I am

[visual flower]

yea in wilds it was all over the screen sometimes but even then I preferred sharpness more tbh

man playing new good games and just literally launching youtube/twitch is a potential for spoilers lol

people are doing the dumbest thumbnails that show stuff

[limber goblet]

HDR RCAS works fine imo

with preset E

[visual flower]

you're also on 4K though if I understand it right

so you probably have a bit more clarity than me on 2k

[latent pumice]

I'm hoping that they tweak their DoF parameters in subsequent patches b/c it's amongst the worst I've seen in UE5

[warped ginkgo]

2k is 1080p!

people calling 1440p 2k is a marketing misnomer

[visual flower]

oh yea

[warped ginkgo]

if anything 1440p would be closer to 3k

[visual flower]

I meant 1440p

[limber goblet]

yea it's just really bad lol

[warped ginkgo]

yea ik, I'm messing with you

[safe jackal]

my target is 4k70-80fps, using Balanced preset K

[warped ginkgo]

4k 70fps dlss balanced here

preset E though

[limber goblet]

I locked it to 60fps, it's fine

[warped ginkgo]

14900k + 5090

[limber goblet]

GPU usage is around 70%

[warped ginkgo]

I wanted 70 fps because

vrr

my display does weird stuff around 58-59 fps

but 60+ is good

[limber goblet]

I see no flicker with 60

[warped ginkgo]

not flicker

lfc

[limber goblet]

ahh ok

[safe jackal]

4k70 preset E balanced sounds like 70% gpu usage

[limber goblet]

yea my TV acts weirdly when the FPS is locket to the lfc trigger value too

[warped ginkgo]

it looks fine

but 70 > 60 on this display

honestly 63 would be fine too

even the 5090 sint good enough for 80

so I just used nvidia's limiter to 70

[safe jackal]

are you using RT mods?

[warped ginkgo]

no

just everything on ultra

[limber goblet]

3840x1600 here with preset E quality DLSS

locked 60, and I don't think that the framerate dropped below 60, during gameplay, yet

cutscenes yea

but It's impossible to notice the frame drops during cutscenes

the frametime graph is smooth, and there is no stuttering

[safe jackal]

ok, I just checked. I'm on Performance, not balanced. ingame AA on medium, everything else set on Epic.
4k70fps overworld (5700x3d, 4080, LG C2)

[limber goblet]

yea sounds about right

[main elm]

youre just used to taa/dlss blur

its not oversharpening

[visual flower]

yea I hate that taa blur

feels like I just woke up looking at that stuff

[main elm]

i agree it looks too sharp in the way "holy shit how does this look that crisp" but not in a "oversharpening artifacts" way

[latent pumice]

I hate it too, but still prefer it to the days of the mid 2010s when all we had was FXAA and SMAA.=

[main elm]

absolutely

[limber goblet]

it's not oversharpened, but too sharp games can look, well like games, it can be immersion breaking

[latent pumice]

the FUCKTAA crowd are a weird bunch

[visual flower]

I mean games look incredible nowadays, at least some, so if future dlss4 gets even better it would be the dream

[main elm]

they're insane 😄

[limber goblet]

I prefer preset K most of the time tho

I think very realistic looking games can look weird without some kind of blurring

Expedition 33's art direction is not that realistic

[visual flower]

maybe but games are so blurry honestly

the only non blurry game I think I saw recently was talos 2

[limber goblet]

yes ofc I'm not talkin about TAA or early DLSS blur

the biggest immersion breaking in games is the shimmering imo

[visual flower]

to me it's stutters of any kind

I hate that shit

[limber goblet]

I mean visualy

[visual flower]

yea that makes sense

[limber goblet]

the fuckTAA guys prefer shimmering over image stability it's crazy

[latent pumice]

For real. Going back to Arkham Knight and dealing with high contrast edge and specular shimmering, even at 4k, was immersion breaking.

[visual flower]

every time I see volumetric artifacts I always think tho that I'm gonna be super impressed any time I see clear textures, so that outweights it 😸

[limber goblet]

and then we get 128gb texture packs with high res blurry textures rofl (MHW)

[latent pumice]

They'll constantly talk about how Arkham Knight and MGS V and Battlefield 1 were the pinnacle of graphic design in gaming, and that everything ever since has been diminishing returns. They're nuts.

[limber goblet]

yea lol

[fiery orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/threat-interactive-optimization-optimize-unreal-engine-ue4-gif-18219894813206068623

[limber goblet]

his side profile is legendary

[summer folio]

Does preset J vs K even matter if I'm using ray reconstruction? I know RR uses its own preset E but unsure if the normal DLSS preset has any influence on the output

[warped ginkgo]

I might be wrong, but I think when RR is active; a differnet DLL is used for super sampling

which has its own presets

[summer folio]

no you're right it's using DLSS-D which has E as the latest preset

[warped ginkgo]

but RR should have a transformer mode

[eternal python]

Arent they 2 completely separate presets?

[warped ginkgo]

since they showed it off with the 5000 series in cyberpunk

[summer folio]

D and E are the transformer presets for RR

[warped ginkgo]

copy

[summer folio]

just wasn't sure if there was something weird going on in the background where the DLSS preset had an impact for whatever reason. RR seems better with volumetrics than preset K but still has some weirdness when the camera cuts during a cutscene and shows a kind of checkerboard pattern in volumetrics (happens both in Ninja Gaiden 2 Black and E33)

[warped ginkgo]

idk about RR; but

I went back to preset E after using K fo ra bit

with regular DLSS

because K was too "unstable"

smeared and stuff

[eternal python]

I assume ur on the latest driver?

[summer folio]

dunno which of us you are asking but I am

[eternal python]

I was asking Marat particularly haahaha

[summer folio]

i think the transformer problems at least with RR are minor enough that I wouldn't want to go back to CNN especially since we can't use DLAA without crashing renodx

[eternal python]

Because I haven't noticed smearing at all using preset K. Maybe I was "not looking for it" or somethin

But wait, are u using RR in this game?

[summer folio]

yeah just put this in engine.ini, it costs like 15-20% on a 5090 though so you need headroom

r.NGX.DLSS.RayReconstruction=1
r.NGX.DLSS.denoisermode=1
r.Lumen.Reflections.BilateralFilter=0
r.Lumen.Reflections.ScreenSpaceReconstruction=0
r.lumen.Reflections.Temporal=0
r.Shadow.Denoiser=0

[eternal python]

Oh damn, thats cool. But I def don't have that performance headroom

[plucky finch]

Allegedly, the latest version of ClairObscurFix is supposed to address this

[eternal python]

Today I had to drop DLSS to balanced cause I was dropping some frames in a particular zone lol

[warped ginkgo]

yea always

I always grab the latest drivers

and hotfix drivers

[eternal python]

I will look for smearing tomorrow when I play. Maybe this will ruin preset K for me but now Im curious hahaha

About the COfix, I read it was not recommended to skip the intro for more stability?

[warped ginkgo]

I dont use SK so idk

apparently its a SK thing

I use reshade as dxgi + addon

[eternal python]

What is a SK thing?

[warped ginkgo]

skipping cutscenes not injecting

atleast from what I've read here

[eternal python]

I dont think Im following. Im not using SK. You mean that its only a problem if you use SK?

[warped ginkgo]

from what I've read yea

[eternal python]

Ohhh gotcha

[warped ginkgo]

specifically if you use sk to inject reshade

[eternal python]

Then ill just activate it to save those precious 10s lol

[eternal python]

What´s the benefit to that?

[warped ginkgo]

some people dont like a bunch of files in their game folder

thats about it

[eternal python]

Ohhh, interesting lol

[dry sundial]

does special k work with reno, rt/rr, and puredark mods? I want to force preset J since whenever i use the RR mod it gets stuck at preset D

[summer folio]

latest RR preset is E, J is only normal DLSS

D and E are transformer for RR

[dry sundial]

Ok ty

It still won't let me change it to E though

It seems locked into d when I check using dlss indicator

[summer folio]

need dlss_d 310.2.1.0 to use preset E, here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/NVIDIA/DLSS/refs/heads/main/lib/Windows_x86_64/rel/nvngx_dlssd.dll

[dry sundial]

I am using the version

I tried changing it with the option in puredarks mod but it isn't changing it according to indicator

[summer folio]

puredark's mod changes the normal DLSS preset but RR uses a different preset, I would force preset E for RR via NVInspector

[dry sundial]

I'll give tht a go

[latent pumice]

I bundled together the aforementioned hair shimmering fix, enhanced lumen, and ray reconstruction implementation tweaks. Looks pretty good at 4K Performance w/ Preset J.

[dry sundial]

Is there a way to fix the insane motion distortions especially in cutscenes? I also keep getting crashes ever 30 mins or so during cutscene combat transitions.

[latent pumice]

Has anyone had success unpacking E33's .pak files? I'd like to snuff out the DoF values and do some tweaking in Cheat Engine.

No luck with Game Extractor nor UnrealPak

[winged dune]

Never had it, but i'm not using PD or RT.

Just Reno and Lyall's fix through SK.

At one point my game would constantly crash on load and i had to use prior safe, thats about it.

[summer folio]

you should set r.Lumen.Reflections.Temporal=0 and r.Lumen.Reflections.BilateralFilter=0 if you're using RR, also r.Lumen.Reflections.DownsampleFactor=2 in that ini cuts reflection resolution in half compared to the default value of 1

If you want, you can add these lines to add correct specularity to every surface rather than just surfaces with roughness at or below the default values (0.25-0.3ish and 0.75 respectively), you'll want to remove "r.Lumen.Reflections.MaxRoughnessToTraceClamp" from your ini if you decide to use them. It's fairly expensive at 10-12% FPS cost at DLSS quality with a 5090, though you can earn back half of that by turning on radiance caching with no visible loss of quality: (feel free to set more sane values if you have less headroom)

r.Lumen.Reflections.MaxRoughnessToTrace=1
r.Lumen.Reflections.MaxRoughnessToTraceForFoliage=1
r.Lumen.Reflections.RadianceCache=1

This line will give you a few % more FPS on average up to almost 10% in some forested areas in exchange for slightly softer distant shadows (default is -1):

r.Shadow.Virtual.ResolutionLodBiasDirectional=0

(the default values I mentioned are for epic settings, they are very likely different for lower presets)

[slow forum]

No, J & K are as well

It's even in the official Nvidia communications and documentations when they updated the SR model to bring K, they had explicitly mentioned RR transformer was still using J, then RR got K. You can check all that easily in HL2 RTX without reading any docs

[summer folio]

it's possible that RR has a J and K preset but going by the integration guide it doesn't seem to be mentioned

[slow forum]

(https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5620/~/enabling-dlss-4-overrides-in-nvidia-app)

Documentation you shared is out of date and maybe not updated yet

[summer folio]

It's from the latest SDK release last month. The answer you linked is from february before RR preset E release, that rep (or chatgpt) likely confused RR preset D (the original RR transformer preset) for J (original transformer SR preset). SR was updated to K in late jan or early february, RR hadn't received E at that point and wouldn't until april hence the specification that the newest preset had not changed.

[slow forum]

Dunno what to tell you.. Check with your DLSS debug overlay then, it's the definitive proof you need

D&E are CNN, doc isn't up to date

[pure tapir]

As of January 30th, 2025, the “Latest” model for DLSS Super Resolution has been updated to Transformer "Preset K", a minor refinement to Transformer Preset J, which showcases improved temporal stability, reduced ghosting, and enhanced detail in motion.

"reduced ghosting"

are you sure about that, nvidia?

[summer folio]

Forcing E results in preset E ingame, forcing K is invalid and results in D which is the new default RR preset

A B and C are CNN hence being deprecated in the docs

[slow forum]

Except they're what you're using now in Clair Obscur which doesn't apply those presets properly, hence the "invalid" return you mention.
Try in Cyberpunk or Alan Wake 2, they have native support for both and RR uses J in there for Transformer and E for CNN

Better yet, just look at the Half-Life 2 RTX menu

You can literally choose J & K for RR...

[summer folio]

you can feel free to show screenshots of RR preset K in cyberpunk or AW2, i'm not going to install them for no reason

[slow forum]

I see (well I'll be damned, D natively & no preset showing when overriding to latest thru NVapp - my bad, sorry)

[elder void]

I've tried myself several times and never got the overlay to show K in a game using RR.

So to my very basic understanding each DLSS technology (SR/RR) have a separate arrange of presets.

[west smelt]

I got so lost in the game that forgot about modifying anything.

[somber pebble]

I noticed the entire game doesn't have that great lipsync compared to others

[errant jackal]

The UI for DLSS is different if youre using RR
This is with RR

This is without RR

[somber pebble]

is the shimmering hair fix related to using RR? Cause I didnt notice any shimmering so far

[somber pebble]

didnt even know there was a new version, downloading now!

this isn't linked to the "latest snapshot" in the pin msg btw! just FYI 😄

[plucky finch]

If you're visiting github regularly, you can set notifications regarding any particular project you are interested in

[ancient siren]

When people say "use RCAS for sharpening" are they referring to lilium's HDR CAS shader? Or something else?

Ignore that, there's a desperate RCAS shader, doh

Is that always preferable to CAS?

[limber goblet]

It’s synced to the french vocies

[limber goblet]

Lilium’s HDR shader should support RCAS too now, I think

but yea RCAS should be better than CAS

[somber pebble]

Really? I thought the “main performance” was with English actors. Like A Plagues Tale, even though both are french devs

[main elm]

pretty sure you're right. i mean they have charlie cox and andy serkis

[eternal python]

Yeah I'm pretty sure the main one is English

Just poor lipsync

[main elm]

the lipsync just seems desynced a bit

it doesn't look like incorrect lipsync tho

[eternal python]

Yeah it's a small synchronization mismatch

Don't know if it's a bug or they just didn't do better

I've noticed that unlocking cutscenes to 60fps makes the lipsync a bit better for me

[plucky finch]

Worth keeping in mind that unlike with animation, VA is usually done fairly late in the game production, it doesn't look like the game used performance capture, so my guess is that animation team recorded themselfs using the French script as an animation reference, and then tried to maybe tweak it to the eng VA as much as the budget allowed them

[dry sundial]

is there anything i can also add for pop ins? The pop ins are pretty terrible

[eternal python]

This could very well be it yeah

[slow forum]

Well Lipsync is messed up in both french & english unfortunately 😢

[sand willow]

True but it’s more tolerable (to my eyes) than English in French VA

[limber goblet]

the lipsync with french audio is not desynced tho

I mean it looks a lot better than with english audio

[sand willow]

Indeed

It looks right

[silver perch]

I love it when im 30 mins into a bossfight and the game freezes cuz of renodx

[surreal thorn]

dont use it then

[silver perch]

will still use it and I will still complain

such is life

[surreal thorn]

free is free, complaint is valid but eh, you dont know the crash was caused exclusively by reno anyway

[limber goblet]

I’m lucky then, no freezes in ~12 hours

[wraith atlas]

I don't freeze as long as I don't use DLAA

[regal pivot]

Had no crash or freeze either in 25 hours

[surreal thorn]

turn on dump luts i guess and see if anything else drops in your folder

if you want to be of actual help, could also share the reshade log

[errant jackal]

Dont use DLAA and youre golden

[silver badge]

I can't make reno work at all with this game for some reason, the reno plugin is loading fine but sliders does nothing except disabling cutscene film grain settings and the peak brightness. Contrast, saturation, shadows etc does nothing.

I tried with SK and without SK, it is the same, plugin loads but settings not working. I am using the provided reshade version. I can use reno ob monster hunter wilds it works fine there.

I also tried turn off my other monitors. It does something but definitely not an HDR experience. I think the game does not use HDR at all for me. I also put the game borederless full screen since it is dx12

I use ClairObscurFix mod but it also does not work without that mod

If it matters I use DLSS4 preset K with quality mod

It somehow looks better when I put my monitor in SDR mod and disable reno all-together, which further suggests somehow HDR is not used in the game... That is also weird because SK overlay reports HDR10 in game when I use my monitor in HDR mod

Damn I found the problem.... It was a mod which tweaks engine.ini

[somber pebble]

Lol, what lines are responsible then? For future reference

[errant jackal]

wow it was something that wasnt the mod imagine that

[silver badge]

It was a .pak mod that overrides the engine.ini somehow

probably it was forcing SDR if I had to guess

for performance reasons...

[silver badge]

https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/3?tab=description

This mod

don't use it with reno...

[somber pebble]

Actually, I think Im seeing this hair shimmering issue, hair doesnt look all that great in this game, also the classic flickering hair shadows etc, does that section fix it?

Also, another question for everyone else, does CA, vignette etc need to be on for reno? I have it all on but just wondering how much it’s detrimental to the image

[wraith atlas]

Just tried 99% DLAA and Preset J. Look so good.

[safe jackal]

Reno should work with any in-game postprocessing toggle setup
I personally noticed massive smearing in the background scenes and disabling Motion Blur fixed it (this was before using Reno and I did not try upgrading the motion blur FPS that was shared here). The rest I don't mind being enabled on, as they aren't producing a distracting image for me.

[digital venture]

any engine.ini command to reduce bloom ?

[elder void]

I'm using Lilium's HDR CAS at 0.15 value. Tried RCAS but it does overbright the UI too much.

[ancient siren]

RCAS on linear rather than gamma mode didn't seem to overbrighten

I've gone with linear/0.5/remove noise

[thin pike]

Odd, what would cause only UI Brightness to work? I thought it was SK conflict but now I can't get Reno to do anything even without other mods. Bizarre.

[limber goblet]

Are you using the correct ReShade version?

and correct addon file

I spent a good 30 minutes trying to figure out why reno was not working correctly. I used the oblivion addon file with Expedition 33… 😅

[somber pebble]

Does RR make a substantial difference in this game?

I find the shimmering/flickering around gustaves head/hair on some cutscenes really distescting as well, like it cant blend well with dof

[eternal python]

Can always change the hairstyle lol

[thin pike]

Yup, I've never been able to get SK to use Reno typically even if I use the supplied DXGI, but now it doesn't care at all even on a complete reinstall. Unsure. Probably just wait for an update or two.

[somber pebble]

Anyone knows if this is worth using? Already using lumen enhanced as it shows here but mainly the hair shimmering and other tweaks. Plus RR of course

[neon spire]

tried this. RR has weird shimmering issues, tried it but reverted. rather have weird hair shimmer than entire areas shimmering

[limber goblet]

what if you turn off RR?

[neon spire]

let me try

let me make sure with the hud enabled, but enabling r.Lumen.Reflections.Temporal=0 disables RR right?

[neon spire]

ok nvm , avoid these settings and shimmering is not an issue at least in the area I am in

[somber pebble]

So use RR and the engine.ini posted?

[neon spire]

still testing

[summer folio]

You shouldn't use anything I posted without having RR turned on with full res scale reflections, so his ini with that minor tweak. Also preset D of RR has shimmering problems of it's own and is the default preset, better off forcing E

Also RR won't fix hair shimmer, you'd just need to use a higher dlss setting to lessen it

[summer folio]

Not that I found, all of the ini tweaks I've seen posted for it do nothing

[neon spire]

ah so preset D is the issue, how do you force E?

as soon as I set r.Lumen.Reflections.Temporal=0 screen becomes full of shimer and noise

[remote crescent]

As of today my game is SUPER washed out, no idea why.

[empty mist]

what mods/addons whatever do you use?

[remote crescent]

Reno, Lyall, SpecialK

[empty mist]

i had that happen sometimes when i played with SK and RenoDX, that SK turned it's own SDR->HDR mode on and renodx was also doing its thing so it looked ultra bad, all i did was change it to SRGB or HDR10 Native

[remote crescent]

Maybe that's it - I'll check SK

[empty mist]

yea check SK hdr and make sure its on HDR native mode

[remote crescent]

Yuuup that was it

[summer folio]

i use NVIDIAInspector, DLSS-RR - Forced Preset Letter E (need 310.2.1.0 DLSS_D.dll for this), also need to be using r.Lumen.Reflections.DownsampleFactor=1 or 0 or you will get shimmering regardless (2 is half res). By default that INI runs the game's default temporal denoiser on top of ray reconstruction when only RR should be needed

[neon spire]

I am guessing 0x00000005 in inspector is E, right?

[summer folio]

yeah it is

[empty mist]

ye it happens to me here and there so thats the first thing i check, or if i accidentally have RTX hdr or some other hdr on xd

[neon spire]

yeah shimmering fixed with preset E and downsamplefactor=1

but it seems to me that the hair shadow fix just pretty much gets rid of hair shadows and makes the faces look plastic

from the ini

[summer folio]

these 2 lines should be the shadow fix, the other 2 are just preference and increase SSS intensity by a good bit

r.SSS.Quality=1
r.SSS.HalfRes=0

[ebon python]

I've been following along with this and I end up with weird shimmering/noise on the tattoos? on Lune's left arm when panning the camera around

[peak plover]

do you guys suggest to disable reno for the last battle to watch the cutcenes after better?

[summer folio]

from just the enhanced-RT ini or something I posted?

[ebon python]

What you and Izueh have been discussing. I ended up at the below with forcing preset E for RR and K for DLSS in profile inspector

r.NGX.DLSS.RayReconstruction=1
r.NGX.DLSS.denoisermode=1
r.Lumen.Reflections.BilateralFilter=0
r.Lumen.Reflections.ScreenSpaceReconstruction=0
r.lumen.Reflections.Temporal=0
r.Shadow.Denoiser=0
r.Lumen.Reflections.MaxRoughnessToTrace=1
r.Lumen.Reflections.MaxRoughnessToTraceForFoliage=1
r.Lumen.Reflections.RadianceCache=1
r.Shadow.Virtual.ResolutionLodBiasDirectional=0
r.Lumen.Reflections.DownsampleFactor=1
r.SSS.Quality=1
r.SSS.HalfRes=0
r.Lumen.TraceMeshSDFs=1
r.Lumen.TraceMeshSDFs.Allow=1
r.LumenScene.DirectLighting.OffscreenShadowing.TraceMeshSDFs=1
r.Lumen.TraceMeshSDFs.TraceDistance=300

Or at least I think I've followed along correctly lol

[summer folio]

does turning the temporal denoiser back on fix that shimmer? i can't test that tattoo I haven't unlocked it yet

[ebon python]

Lemme try that

[neon spire]

only difference I see is that your perf quality is set to 2, mine is at 0 in the dlss hud

[ebon python]

I have ultra performance forced to 77% because I was never going to use that preset anyway, so idk if that's where it's getting that from

Actually, I guess it does it a bit without RR so maybe it's just kinda the way it is

[empty mist]

i used reno for it and it was flawless for me, no stutters no anything but might just be a lucky scenario for me so

[summer folio]

that's quite a bit less with normal dlss though, you still have the shimmer with combined RR + temporal denoiser?

i don't have any sort of shimmer or noise with her tattoo in the default outfit but I don't have the first outfit you posted with the bad shimmer

don't have with with default ultra performance at 4k either so probably not internal resolution

[ebon python]

Which one is the temporal denoiser setting? This r.lumen.Reflections.Temporal?

[summer folio]

yeah

[ebon python]

It does go away almost completely with that set to 1 as well with the default outfit, so it must be something goofy with the one I started with. I'll just not use that one and call it good lol. Appreciate your assistance!

[summer folio]

yeah you aren't losing much with the temporal denoiser on anyways, mainly just a small amount of clarity in more mirror-like reflections, not worth having that shimmer

[ebon python]

Yeah, I agree it's worth it

[visual flower]

@limber goblet just out of curiosity: I see you guys increase color saturation by quite a decent margin in your presets, but when I switch back and forth it seems to kind of kill the whole "vibe" of the depressing mood in some locations. Do you feel like it doesn't really happen or it doesn't matter as much or you value the increased clarity and vibrance more? I know it's all extremely subjective and depends on personal taste but thought it's interesting to ask

maybe I'm just tripping though and too used to default colors (it kinda reminds me of nier automata vibes a lot)

[merry ermine]

to me it feels like the game wants to contrast the beauty of the world with the death around it.

[visual flower]

I'm at the point where I want to play with one of your presets in like a new game plus or something but I usually don't replay games...

[lost egret]

is it just me or is there an insane amount of input latency in this game

[visual flower]

doesn't feel that way to me at all

[merry ermine]

like when moving around in general or with parries and stuff?

[eternal python]

For me personally increasing saturation in any game makes no sense. Breaks the whole art direction

[lost egret]

when i move mouse and turn the camera it feels like i play through moonlight in another city, feels strange since it's running at 120

[visual flower]

I think it sorta makes sense if the game doesn't have native HDR in some cases but idk

[hasty loom]

generally contrast is added in per-channel which in turns adds saturation. renodrt does contrast by luminance which adds no saturation

[ancient siren]

Feels very responsive to me with a controller. So that's either a M&K issue, or something else on your end

[visual flower]

if you're using some kind of framegen that could explain it, but otherwise seems odd

[lost egret]

nothing i have added myself, and smooth motion is off as it just causes distorted and flickering screen for me with reshade

one clue could be that the game doesn't seem to work properly with mpo as when i disable reshade and run it with sk it reports composed flip

[sand willow]

Does the mod apply to cutscenes also?

[warped ginkgo]

in engine yes

but fmvs are well fmvs

those would need some sort of auto hdr/itm, but I'm not a fan of it -- especially in bright games

[sand willow]

Ah makes sense. I can modify that somewhat later on for video purposes. Those are probably compressed in some obscure file to even bother

[warped ginkgo]

well you cant use autohdr with reno

by autohdr I mean implementing autohdr in the shader

renodx supports inverse tonemapping/autohdr for fmvs

[eternal python]

Btw. Does Reno for this game also fix the gamma? Or should I also use Lilliums fix

[sand willow]

I meant messing with the visuals of the fmv sections in my video editor

[warped ginkgo]

reno fixs everything

pretty much the first thing every reno mod does is fix gamma missmatches

and gamma memes

[eternal python]

Oh, nice then

[limber goblet]

I don't increase saturation that much, I use 57 saturation and 50 blowout atm. The game looks slightly desaturated by default, and skin/hair tone look washed out/pale imo. Nier Automata is not desaturated, it's just very brown, Expedition 33's world is very vibrant, but desaturated. But I agree that the game does not require a lot of extra saturation, 57/50 looks balanced in my opinion

I'm usually against increasing saturation, but this game is one of the very few, where increasing saturation makes sense imo, even if you are a "purist" like me haha

[ancient siren]

I'm enjoying the slightly desaturated look. Every now and then you encounter something super saturated, and it looks spectacular

[eternal python]

That´s called art direction! And why I think increasing saturation in this game is also a mistake (but as always personal preference is ok)

I agree with that. It looks spectacular when you see something vibrant and shiny hahaha

[limber goblet]

The game looks "wrong" to my eyes at the default saturation level, but my TV is calibrated, and we have no idea what the devs saw on their monitors, so it really is just personal preference

increasing contrast is another question mark to me, the default contrast is high enough that it actually crushes shadow details here and there

but increasing contrast a little makes the game more cinematic looking overall

[sonic scarab]

For this game do I have to turn on UE HDR to make reno work?

[eternal python]

Noup

[eternal python]

UE5 games usually have that "desaturated look". I can get someone not liking it

But it's just the way they are

[sonic scarab]

does this look normal?

[eternal python]

In this game I agree it's tricky to decide between color grade it yourself or leave it default cause it doesnt actually have a native HDR to compare to

[eternal python]

No, there´s something wrong there

[sonic scarab]

yeah its exposure going really dark lol.

I moved camera and then it looks fine.

[eternal python]

wtf, that's weird still

[sonic scarab]

does lyall fix work with this game?

It has sharpening 0.

[limber goblet]

yea auto exp is very aggressive in this game

[sonic scarab]

okay b/c when I looked away from that it gets really bright lol

[limber goblet]

one of the reasons why increasing contrast is not really a good idea

[sonic scarab]

I have contrast at 50 lol

[limber goblet]

yea that's fine, I have it at 53

[sonic scarab]

I don't have oled. Just AOC miniled. I feel like if I do contrast too high it will definitely cause too much shadow crush.

[limber goblet]

yea just leave it at 50

you should adjust the highlights slider tho, increase it to ~55 with 50 contrast

[limber goblet]

how to do you force enable RR in this game?

adjusting ini settings is not enough

I copied the dll into the correct folder, I think. Sandfall\Plugins\NVIDIA\DLSS\Binaries\ThirdParty\Win64

[sand willow]

Do those settings hold up in caves? Like that first one is pretty rough in some corners; crushed everything

[sand willow]

I think that’s what I’m referring to; sometimes it’s just the autoexposure being wonky

But it’ll make you feel like you need a dynamic slider with your settings lol

[limber goblet]

the "manor" looks crushed but it looks crushed without reno in SDR too

caves look fine

[sand willow]

Are you using game pass version? Cuz the path for the ini file is different

[limber goblet]

steam version

[sand willow]

Still trying to decide if it’s worth it for me; to stay well above 60fps I need to use performance with my graphics card

[limber goblet]

I can't get RR to trigger 😦

[sand willow]

Is your engine.ini file beside one called gameusersettings.ini

[limber goblet]

yes

the indicator shows that preset J is used but nothing else

🤦‍♂️

enigne.ini

i should go to sleep lol

[sand willow]

What happened lol

[limber goblet]

I used enigne.ini instead of engine.ini

[sand willow]

🙃

It happens

[limber goblet]

yea it's working now

[sand willow]

Let me know how your performance is after

[limber goblet]

about the same so far

preset J alone tanks the performance

20% more GPU usage with preset J compared to preset E

I'm still locked to 60fps but normal gameplay GPU usage went up to 90+%

from 70

ugh yea it can drop to low 50s during battles

[sand willow]

Yea that’s what I was experiencing.

[limber goblet]

3840x1600 quality DLSS

RTX 4080

[sand willow]

Not the worst thing, but it does put it through the paces.

[limber goblet]

it looks better, but idk

[sand willow]

I’m on a 4060 Ti and yes I have to drop down lol

[limber goblet]

I will test the performance preset

[sand willow]

The shadows aren’t as rough anymore, but what I had to do was use performance and then use sharpening in Reshade to make it not as soft

Game needs a patch on game pass version for the DLSS flickering though

[limber goblet]

performance preset works fine but it looks worse than CNN model preset E quality

Balanced looks nice

battles hold 60 fps, barely though

[haughty dirge]

haha - this is exactly - EXACTLY - what i did. still very hopeful for Ultra Plus bc i don't understand most of these commands, but agree 💯 that the visual impact on hair shimmering and lumen artefacts is significant and easily noticeable so happy running this at the moment just based on the fact that it looks noticeably better, even if the settings are suboptimal in some way

[limber goblet]

I had no hair shimmering and depth of field looks bad, still

so I might switch back not sure yet

[haughty dirge]

given some of the weirdness around resolutions and upscalers interacting weirdly in this game i wouldnt be surprised if there are some combinations that produce artefacts that other combos do not

but yeah in my case the hair shimmering was driving me mental in the vanilla game so ill take wtv i can get to eliminate it atm, even if its not a great solution

[limber goblet]

3840x1600 with CNN Model Preset E Quality DLSS looks fine, shimmering is not noticeable

[eternal python]

Can someone describe shimmering to me? Cause I haven't noticed anything even with preset K

[limber goblet]

if you want to keep the SDR saturation/shadow level, but with better highlights, then this preset matches SDR

[eternal python]

Thanks! Will try it tomorrow

[limber goblet]

you would notice it haha

[eternal python]

Then I'm playing at 4k balanced with preset K and no shimmering detected on my end I guess hahaha

I don't have everything at epic tho, maybe it's that

[limber goblet]

it's edge instability, like when you have no anti ailasing applied to an image

everything is unstable, everything shimmers

[eternal python]

Oh then I definitely didn't see that in my game

[limber goblet]

but just the hair in this case

[eternal python]

Haven't noticed anything. Just dof messing with it

[limber goblet]

yea dof is horrible

especially during cutscenes for some reason

[haughty dirge]

ive not done enough visual testing to know which change has lead to the hair quality improvement/shimmer elimination, but i also run an engine.ini that i tried to keep as short as possible as i dont understand many of the commands myself, basically just combining the enhanced lumen stuff + LODs + the hair shimmering related items from the initial enhanced RT mod + ray reconstruction. and the hair shimmer is essentially 💯 eliminated. but dont ask me which line of the ini made the diff 😅

[haughty dirge]

i dont get any feeling of input latency, but the combination of some fairly stiff character animation + the parry/dodge timing windows being pretty brutal (at least for me imho as someone who doesnt play that type of combat much) definitely created a bit of an impression of input lag at first, before i realised i just was.... not fast enough with my input reactions lmao

[haughty dirge]

yeah no idea if it has anything to do with the interactions i mentioned or anything else, but im playing on a 4K TV (so not too far off your resolution, diff aspect ratio tho) and even with a vanilla game install (ie no random engine.ini tweaks, no RenoDX, etc) using DLSS preset E the... maybe shimmering is the wrong word tho it kinda looks like that - more accurate might be disocclusion fizzle around the hair - is real bad :/

[haughty dirge]

as a non native english speaker i probs need to clarify as per my msg above bc my choice of wording was pretty imprecise 😅 - while whatever im seeing on and around hair has some visual similarities with what we'd usually call shimmering, i think my description in my prior message is probs more accurate re what im actually seeing

[limber goblet]

Oh yea the fizzle is maybe noticeable

not too bad tho

[haughty dirge]

yeah i would agree its not objectively awful, for whatever reason its a specific visual artefact that i just seem to be particularly sensitive too

i cant NOT notice it/focus on it, even while able to overlook other image quality issues 🤷‍♂️

[limber goblet]

RR preset E solves the awful denoiser artifacts in reflections and on other surfaces

its a lot more stable than the default denoiser

the performance cost is high but it looks noticeably better

[haughty dirge]

i gotta admit this is the first time im learning that RR has its own/separate presets to DLSS-SR

very keen to try this - what tool does one/do you use for this?

[summer folio]

you can force different presets using the latest version of NVInspector under "DLSS-RR - Forced Preset Letter"

[haughty dirge]

tysm, ill have a look now - is it the "original" nv profile inspector or one of the newer derivatives? i havent used it in a while and ive seen peeps refer to revamped, and some other one, that are apparently better?

[summer folio]

i'm using this https://github.com/Orbmu2k/nvidiaProfileInspector/releases

[wraith atlas]

I like Revamped a lot.

[haughty dirge]

ty ill have a look - what are some of the main improvements/differences?

[wraith atlas]

I just find that it is easier to use as the more commonly used settings are moved more towards the top and they name the hex options for average joes to understand.

[haughty dirge]

that does sound legit useful to me - will give it a look as well - cheers mate

[visual flower]

yeah I think this is exactly how I feel about it too

although I like the clarity in the presets of others

[limber goblet]

if you rise blowout, which you should, then you have to rise saturation if you want to keep the original saturation level btw.

[visual flower]

makes sense yea

but what's the main reason for raising it in the first place?

[limber goblet]

highlights look kinda wrong if you keep blowout at 0

[visual flower]

I see

[limber goblet]

like in the mansion, the bulbs look yellow with blowout at 0

[visual flower]

I just use blowout at 10 and nothing else changed rn

[limber goblet]

yea 10 works

[ancient siren]

Yeah I've got a calibrated s95d

[somber pebble]

What does blowout do? I copied your settings @limber goblet you posted yesterday and looks pretty good imo. Blowout is at default there tho

[warped ginkgo]

blowout is highlight desaturation

usually you use it to offset the saturation slider

because the saturation slider by itself is too stronk sometimes

[somber pebble]

gotcha! makes sense, yeah the lights in mansion are quite yellowish but I have no ground truth for comparison so I thought it looked good lool. Will play with it a bit

[warped ginkgo]

if you set blowout to 100

the game becomes a grayscale/black and white

[haughty dirge]

It might be far from optimal as I'm just eye balling it and haven't compared to vanilla sdr, which I guess is the closest we have to ground truth, but just a slight bump up of blowout looks way better to me

iirc I'm literally on default settings except bumping blowout to 10

Before that, I guess as the name of the setting directly references, some light sources were defs too clear and colourful/not showing enough of the blowout you'd get from looking at something bright IRL and that just made it feel off somehow

Just that slight bump gives, ya know, enough blowout, that it looks "right" to my eyes

(again acknowledging that this feeling is not based on any comparison to anything even resembling ground truth, just my gut reaction lmao)

[visual flower]

I think some things still don't look quite right but since there's no way to compare them I don't know what they are caused by

like the light casting on special effects, or very bright sunlight looks off in some cases

it looks sort of bland instead of sunny/shiny if that makes any sense

but it doesn't happen in all cases which leads me to believe it's some sort of lumen issue

[limber goblet]

which one?

[somber pebble]

This one

[limber goblet]

the default blowout setting is 0

[somber pebble]

Ok I forgot to copy that setting then

[limber goblet]

I changed my setting again to 58 saturation and 62 blowout btw. 57/50 looked too saturated

[visual flower]

do you guys use any ini tweaks?

I think the game looks quite good as is, even with insane DoF

[limber goblet]

Yes I switched to Ray Reconstruction

[visual flower]

can you elaborate a bit, and what did it change?

[limber goblet]

Pretty much this: #1365094340355035167 message but with t.Lumen.Reflections.Temporal = 1

I switched to DLSS preset J too

And RR preset E

the performance cost is high tho

[visual flower]

ah

yea I'll probably skip then

[limber goblet]

It’s tasking my GPU ~30% more

[visual flower]

I'm getting around 80 fps average rn, don't wanna dip it further

[limber goblet]

60 fps is fine imo

[visual flower]

I start noticing some unsmoothness when it goes close to that

after playing in 180-360 for some time I feel like 60 is not good anymore 😸

[grizzled jackal]

I used to play 360hz as well because shooters n shit but im fine with 60, as long as theres motion blur, good motion blur settings really make it more than fine for me in singleplayer games

[somber pebble]

https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/42?tab=description

Any idea why here he's stating to use 2 streamline dlls? When the game has no streamline files to be found by default? oO

[limber goblet]

not sure, the dlssd dll should be enough I think

[grizzled jackal]

doesnt the game have reflex or am i monke brain

or maybe that was oblivion

[somber pebble]

I find it really annoying the amount of .ini commands everywhere. Like, knowing what's making it worse or even working at all. People just add random crap onto it. I just want to use RR, make sure there's no flickering/shimmering and no hair shimmering/face shadows flickering and thats it loool

[somber pebble]

no

[grizzled jackal]

nvm then

monkebrain it is

[limber goblet]

Yea, framerate consistency is king. A 30fps drop from 120fps feels bad, because it’s a sudden change in “smoothness”. A locked 60fps feels better than 60-90 imo. You can get used to 60 fps in 10 minutes.

[grizzled jackal]

id either wait for U+ tbh, or just play it default with lyalls sharpening fix, its not like the game looks bad

[grizzled jackal]

100%

60fps with perfectly stable frametimes is genuinely nice to play and i will always go for a cap in a game that i can maintain 99.9% of the time

thats why oblivion is unplayable for me sadly

60fps cap but spikes into 60-90ms on a OCd 9800x3d and ungodly tight ram timings

still no update from virtuos :(

[limber goblet]

that ini preset I linked earlier should be good to go with that one setting changed to 1

[grizzled jackal]

very disappointed

[cobalt crown]

He doesn't know

Virtuos releases a game

Maybe a update or two

And that's it

You're coping if you think they're going to 'fix' anything

[elder void]

I'm using this ones:
[SystemSettings]
r.Tonemapper.Sharpen=0
r.DFDistanceScale=2
r.ViewDistanceScale=10
r.SkeletalMeshLODBias=-15
r.StaticMeshLODDistanceScale=0.0001
foliage.LODDistanceScale=10
grass.CullDistanceScale=10
grass.densityScale=3

Not sure about all them, but I tested foliage.LODDistanceScale with the console and since it's tied to NPCs level of detail it helped a lot with pop-in.

[grizzled jackal]

sooo they gonna just leave it in this terrible state?

this shit is borderline unplayable

actually scrap that, it is unplayable

[fiery orchid]

i've been playing other games while waiting for Ultra+ lol
finished Prey a few days ago, now onto GOW:R

[somber pebble]

Already using it with sharpening to 0

[somber pebble]

Theres no confirmation U+ is coming tho right?

[somber pebble]

The temporal denoiser right? Im already using the “enhanced lumen” mod commands gonna check the diff

[grizzled jackal]

yeah lazor (a u+ author) wanted to do Expedition, just very busy rn with oblivion u+

might still be a bit but i dont really mind since i already finished the game, i'll replay it for sure tho when u+ comes for it

[grizzled jackal]

oh yeah you already know, my bad

[eternal python]

Ive always heard good things about ultra+ but never tried it. Is it recommended always? In cyberpunk for example.

I wanted to try it but seems hard to set up

[grizzled jackal]

Oblivion is actually the first U+ I've actively used so far. Imo they are doing a really good job improving the looks of a game while keeping performance in mind, or even having better performance than vanilla while actually looking better

If you have issues with setting it up i would ask over in their discord

[eternal python]

More than issues I have doubts. I might go to the discord and ask yea

[grizzled jackal]

I'd say its pretty straight forward if you use their U+ manager app

[eternal python]

The problem with the cyberpunk one is the many PT modes, it's confusing to me

[eternal python]

Didn't know it had an app to manage

[grizzled jackal]

yeah fair enough, i dont know what each of them do in particular myself so better ask them and whats recommended depending on your specs etc

[grizzled jackal]

https://www.nexusmods.com/site/mods/1139

can adjust all settings in there, update the U+ packages for each game etc

kinda neat

[visual flower]

I ended up just using native PT in cyberpunk

ultra had some issues all the time I tried it personally

because they are still changing/disabling some things

native looked better and performed well enough

[cobalt crown]

Pretty much, I'm just going off previous Virtuos work. They don't do major updates for their ports.

Now add on that OR has your typical UE5 special sauce issues, nothing is getting fixed

You're also forgetting that OR is still using OG oblivion for anything outside the renderer

And OG oblivion is absolutely dog shit with it's systems

[grizzled jackal]

Yeah GG then will wait for Skyblivion

[cobalt crown]

OBscript has to be the worst scripting language

[grizzled jackal]

Even if it doesn’t nearly look as good

[fiery orchid]

DF did say Bethesda and Virtuos are gonna push some fixes for the traversal hitches

[grizzled jackal]

Where did they say that

[fiery orchid]

in the latest Direct

during the snakeoil INI testing section

[hasty loom]

Um, wrong thread/post?

[grizzled jackal]

One can cope

[grizzled jackal]

Shh

[hasty loom]

I'm confused if you guys are talking about E33 devs or Oblivion

[grizzled jackal]

Oblivion

E33 runs flawless for me

No crashes, super stable frametimes very rare hitches

[cobalt crown]

Outside of the asset loading hitches on the overworld map, E33 is a clean experience

[elder void]

https://imgsli.com/Mzc3Mzkw

Even under transformer model RR seems softer.

Also with that mod... Reflections sometimes look better, but some others it's like if RR were clearing up all the flaws they have making them look worse.

[dry sundial]

anyone else getting random crashes every hour or so while using reno, rr/rt ini., PPuredark?

[eternal python]

Yeaaaa that´s what I guess would happen if I used it honestly

[eternal python]

Im just missing around 10fps to be stable at dlss perf without framegen, which at 60fps its not ideal but its the only way i can play smooth with PT rn

So I was kinda hoping this could help, but FG is probably a better solution

[visual flower]

yeah I feel you, I just ended up using framegen

other "fixes" didn't quite look right to me and they always broke something

[eternal python]

Will just do that then

Plays well enough honestly

And looks stunning af

[eternal python]

What settings are you using in reno? That looks GUD

[elder void]

52 contrast and that's it. Haha.

[eternal python]

Lol hahahaha

Cool

[elder void]

Well. 180 brightness and the 780 peak brightness of my TV.

Can't wait to get a G5 haha.

[visual flower]

oh btw @limber goblet I tried your new saturation setting, it does indeed look a lot closer to the original colors

[eternal python]

Planning on getting one next year hopefully (or a newer model idk yet)

[somber pebble]

in this case there's barely any difference though, differences would be more in direct reflections no?

[somber pebble]

Yeah, I'm not planning on using the mod. Just wanted to add RR + some tweaks that make sense

[elder void]

But look at the next picture. It's just there are so many ini tweaks around about RT reflections that I'm not sure if they're making the game look worse for a big performance hit and a improvements just in some reflections.

[somber pebble]

You're right, just looked at it with attention. It looks like it's trying to clear it up leaving pieces of "pixelated" mud, just doesnt look great

[visual flower]

btw can someone explain to me how I can add reshade filters to the reno version of reshade?

I tried copying the folder of shaders from other game but reshade doesn't see it

nvm figured it out

[grizzled jackal]

Be advised that almost no shader is actually HDR compatible

[visual flower]

yeah, I just wanted to try lilium's cas

[grizzled jackal]

[elder void]

There was an .ini command to make the UI not to garble that much when using FG alongside HDR wasn't it?

[errant jackal]

Actually lots are strangely enough, lots also aren't but a decent amount are

[somber pebble]

is puredark's FG mod worth it? Latest build states it's compatible with reno

[formal forum]

just had a couple of crashes and event viewer says that rdx caused it

Faulting application name: SandFall-WinGDK-Shipping.exe, version: 5.4.4.0, time stamp: 0x00000000
Faulting module name: renodx-clairobscur_expedition33.addon64, version: 0.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x68169387
Exception code: 0xc0000005
Fault offset: 0x0000000000450bef
Faulting process id: 0x2B18
Faulting application start time: 0x1DBBEA0A0169843
Faulting application path: C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\KeplerInteractive.Expedition33_1.2.0.0_x64__ymj30pw7xe604\Sandfall\Binaries\WinGDK\SandFall-WinGDK-Shipping.exe
Faulting module path: C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\KeplerInteractive.Expedition33_1.2.0.0_x64__ymj30pw7xe604\Sandfall\Binaries\WinGDK\renodx-clairobscur_expedition33.addon64
Report Id: 762fa0db-fe4c-453a-a2c2-65d37a276471
Faulting package full name: KeplerInteractive.Expedition33_1.2.0.0_x64__ymj30pw7xe604
Faulting package-relative application ID: AppExpedition33Shipping

@jagged portal

[merry ermine]

a good chunk of shaders happen to work decently with hdr10 (so most native hdr), but very few work correctly with scrgb (a lot of sdr to hdr renodx conversions)

[winged dune]

If you get stable 60 its not worth it, if you don't - its not worth it either. Framegen in a nutshell.

[wheat portal]

yes, using those 3. Mostly crashing during cutscenes, ALOT. Honestly not sure if its the engine tweak or adding the .dll's he requests.

[deep nova]

i need hdr to use this right ?

[visual flower]

yes

[elder void]

Most crashes I had were related to using some overlay like Lilium's HDR analysis tool. So the first thing I'd check would be some sort of ReShade effect or overlays.

[grizzled jackal]

fair enough, its just something ive seen mentioned here a couple of times so i thought it would be helpful

[merry ermine]

it's still true, no worries. Even the ones that happen to work in hdr10 don't necessarily work as intended fully

[grizzled jackal]

[warped ginkgo]

I found a way to increase stability in Clair Obscur (Both Ritsu's mod + Unreal Engine) -- This applies to all DX12 mods really

@jagged portal @regal pivot @merry ermine

-> Make sure you're using the pinned reshade version in #general

-> disable the "Generic Depth" + Effect Runtime Sync" addons in the Addon-ons tab in reshade

-> delete all your reshade fx, make sure reshade looks like the attached image when you launch the game
-- There is a known stability/perf issue if reshade loads/compiles any fx shaders in dx12
--- sadly that means no lilium analsys tool

-> If you load effects from a centralized folder, open reshade.ini, and delete the EffectSearchPaths + TextureSearchPaths lines

I've tested multiple DX12 UE games, and all exhibit the same behavior for me on the latest nvidia drivers + 5090 -- if I have fx, I crash; no fx the game is stable

Shortfuse discovered loading fx has perf overhead, but it seems its not just perf overhead; but stability too

[trim anchor]

lol

ngl I do this too(not having any effects), but I just assumed it was a placebo

[warped ginkgo]

I spent all day testing this in multiple games

[merry ermine]

btw, I know it's already known that the generic addons for reshade can cause some perf issues, but I found out in oblivion that it can be extremely profound when CPU bottlenecked, probably depending on what the game is doing

[warped ginkgo]

yea those seem to also have a non zero perf cost; shortfuse ran tests on those for oblivion

[merry ermine]

Difference between pulling like 42 fps and 65 ish, when in a city iirc

[warped ginkgo]

yea

it seems the actual fx compilation

is what griefs stability and perf

because fx get compiled every time the swapchain is modified

or the fx is enabled/disabled

[trim anchor]

I did not know

[trim anchor]

is this relevant to yumia?

[warped ginkgo]

worth a try

[winged dune]

Is it incrimental? I did this when i stumbled on Shortfuse findings, i think just not loading things i don't use helped, but might have been a camera spin in camp coincidence and placebo.

[warped ginkgo]

I had load only enabled effects before; but it still didnt help

you want no effects getting found

[winged dune]

Theres one battle that consistently tanks my FPS to around 55, will probably try and compare.

[merry ermine]

it will probably only make a difference if CPU bound fwiw

[winged dune]

Deleted paths and restarted game, before and after. Gonna restore and restart again.

Should have saved a full screen screenshot first time, wonder if battle space can change.

[warped ginkgo]

try also getting rid of SK

for a true raw perf test

not that sk is bad, just for a "raw" test

[winged dune]

Loaded stuff back up, not that big of a difference, maybe game benefitted from restart and its just a shaders cost. The battle space looks exactly the same, so its consistent. Now i'm going to load all the unused junk back.

[winged dune]

Nah, thats too much bother between DLSS and making local installs, could be better, but besides the point anyway.

[winged dune]

That was a bad snip after alt-tab or something, eh.

Well, i'm not bound by my undervolted 7800X3D.

And my game randomly crashed only once throughout 150+ hours, so i'm probably not the best example.

Retook my usual setup with only CAS and filmgrain loaded after game restart.

So yeah, think its just those 2 active shaders cost for me.

Back to Balanced DLSS for smooth 60.

That battle is a good measure though, for sure, better than spinning camera at camp.

[elder void]

Performance issues even of you don't have the effects activated? What I can definitely tell is that if I load the HDR analysis one it's going to crash instantly, in a minute or in an hour, but it's going to happen. If I don't toggle it I can play for hours. HDR CAS activated as well, but I've never crashed just using that one.

[fresh viper]

what's everyone's opinion on the black floor? Outta the box the HDR looks kinda washed out, and I'm not sure if that's artistic intent or if I should try to tweak it

[winged dune]

I am of the opinion that black floor is not a subject to artistic intent.

I myself have no issue with Reno at default though.

[ancient siren]

Crash with HDR analysis enabled? Or crash further down the line even if you enabled it for 5 seconds then disabled?

I ask because I experienced my first UE crash in about 10 hours yesterday, and an hour or so earlier I'd been using HDR analysis

And is there a downside to disabling the other add-ons that come with Reshade? Other than presumably the fact you can't use the .fx

[winged dune]

No downside at all, you only need reshade for Reno addon.

[ancient siren]

But I love the RCAS 😐

[winged dune]

Yeah, that is true...

[ancient siren]

Certainly isn't worth instability and noticeable perf cost though.

[winged dune]

Yep, i myself have no issues and the cost doesn't bother me, but for people with crashes or FPS struggle its certainly a solid advice. May be even better if they are CPU bound or in other games.

[ancient siren]

Yeah I'm on a 9800x3d but crashes suck.

This news plus the saga for every new game trying to get SK and Reno playing nice is a bit sad!

[fresh viper]

yeah I had that issue in oblivion

not fun

[grizzled jackal]

I genuinely have no clue how I never crashed in Clair Obscur with Reno and some effect loaded

Seems like I’m the only one

70h flawless

Always doing 8-12h sessions

[pseudo mist]

is this true or nah

[merry ermine]

haven't played as much as some of yall but I have yet to crash in general

[merry ermine]

it's entirely dependent on what's used by default

and what other permutations the mod author feels like gathering

so no it's not true, but it may be right for that game

might even be right for most games 🤷

[pseudo mist]

hmm i see

[winged dune]

Engine.ini is a rabbit hole of tomfoolery. That much is certain.

[pseudo mist]

is there any helpful engine.ini tweaks for this game , in general i mean

[pseudo mist]

Any way to test jon?

[elder void]

For me tends to be more instant, but can happen after an hour or so as well.

[merry ermine]

the real answer is simply that the correct engine.ini with renodx is no changes. Any change to post processing risks creating a new permutation that isn't handled

basically, to test just use lilium's hdr analysis shader and see if you're clamped

[pseudo mist]

alright

[warped ginkgo]

yesno

that cvar for tonemapquality controls diff stuff

and one of them is no vignette

but it might break stuff

[warped ginkgo]

@elder void yep thats what I found testing

fx (only one I had installed was the analsys shader)

no fx -> no problem

if I toggle it, its a ticking time bomb

might be fast

might not be

I wonder if reno is upgrading the histogram

also as of the latest commit, the unreal engine addon is drag and drop with clair obscur; so you guys can try that out

no settings required

[pseudo mist]

I cant find any pinned reshade versions in the general chat , are u referring to this?
#1321685184852135967 message

[warped ginkgo]

that pin needs updating

[somber pebble]

Is this 5xxx series related? Cause I have 0 stability issues on a 4090

[grim hinge]

what about performance mode

[warped ginkgo]

didnt try that

but that still compiles the fx

the issue seems to be the fx compilation

performance mdoe just compiles w/o cbuffers

hardcoded settings

but I can try tomorrow

[grim hinge]

whats the issue with it compiling

should just happen for a second

[warped ginkgo]

honestly not 100% sure what the interaction is; but the tl;dr is:
no fx: 100% stable
fx: rip

[limber goblet]

if you use SK's draw reshade first and compatibility mode and reshade's performance mode, then the difference should be minimal, or well the difference is minimal on my PC

I like having the HDR Analyzer tool available :D, I had no crashes yet, and I used the HDR Analyzer tool for hours 🤔 even with performance mode disabled

I still use the 572.83 driver tho, which is a lot more stable than the newer drivers

I disable CFG (Control Flow Guard) for all DX12 games too

[winged dune]

I don't think Reno works for me with Compatibility mode.

Sliders in Reno dont work, and the game looks hideous, HDR10 Native instead of scRGB native doesnt help. Without compatibility mode everything is fine.

[ornate pilot]

You need to disable compatibility mode when using reno with SK.

[winged dune]

Yeah, was just wondering whether it actualy works for MPaul.

[pure tapir]

🅱️ lair Obscur

that is certified deep fried

[pseudo mist]

Do you guys have a weird shimmering issue?

[pseudo mist]

It was fsr

Iam using XESS now

[limber goblet]

you are probably right, if you load reshade through SK, then you have to disable compatiblity mode for reno to work

I'm not loading reshade as a plug-in for Expedition 33 though

so yea the compatibility part can be ignored

I will test it, because I'm pretty sure that reno works with compatibility mode enabled in other games

[west smelt]

Ritsu sharing pro tips.
Me, who never bothered to install shaders. kekew.

[limber goblet]

But I'm pretty sure that the instability issues are caused by the newer Nvidia drivers, 3 DX12 games were crashing randomly on my PC when I used the newer 572.83+ drivers

[edgy oriole]

If your monitor has the option to clamp gamut in HDR, then it's fundamentally broken and you should get a better one 🤣

The one good thing HDR did was define everything in absolute terms and expand the gamut to Rec 2020.
So everything has a universal color management target and there's no monitor @#$%ery to worry about.

[edgy oriole]

scRGB native isn't an option, that will just cause the game to crash.

Oh, you're mismatching HDR10 with scRGB for 🤷

[winged dune]

Didn't you fix it?

[edgy oriole]

I removed it, yes.

[winged dune]

I thought chosing either native was fine and irrelevant.

[edgy oriole]

No, it needs to match the type of HDR the game is using.

[winged dune]

I vaguely remember reading that it was fixed afterwards, my mistake.

[edgy oriole]

If you want SK to convert scRGB to HDR10, then you need to click Enable Processing.

[winged dune]

Nah, guess it doesn't matter without processing.

[winged dune]

Was just messing around to see if Compatibility mode works somehow.

[slow forum]

Interestingly enough, that's what has to be set in SK for latest GTA5E RenoDX build to get colors to not be messed up

scRGB without enabling processing I mean

Previous Reno for GTA5E builds could just be HDR10 without Enable Processing but since it switched from PQ to scRGB, it's what works now

[edgy oriole]

Makes sense, if the input and output color spaces are the same, Enable Processing isn't needed.

But if you wanted to have RenoDX do HDR10 but output to an scRGB SwapChain, you'd need to Enable Processing and use the HDR10 Native Preset.
Why you would do this, I dunno 🤷.

[slow forum]

Got it 🙂

[neon spire]

No RCAS ? RIP

[wraith atlas]

Do I delete the contents of the "Textures" folder too?

[limber goblet]

Which driver are you using?

[pseudo mist]

if iam using sk n reno
I choose hdr10 native right?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1069846460314689578/1369662857230286918/image.png?ex=681cad70&is=681b5bf0&hm=ddb78bf72d3e2c55696eef3e63d1f42acb73bb609cf18d36df8539aeed074f3a&

[pseudo mist]

could use opti maybe

[unborn locust]

change the hdr10 passthrough dropdown to raw buffer (or click the reset button)

[pseudo mist]

ty

[wraith atlas]

Tried the generic Unreal RenoDX and shit is WAY too bright. Don't think something is set right.

[surreal thorn]

dont use generic when this has a specifc addon

[visual flower]

some locations tank fps pretty badly

not sure if I wanna give up the stunning visuals tho damn

[eternal python]

Wdym. Reno is more expensive in some particular locations?

[sterile monolith]

this makes no sense, if the shaders arent enabled, they arent doing anything

or maybe its because i toggle load only enabled in the reshade setting

[hasty loom]

It still iterates through the shader list.

And sets all the values the shaders need to know for UI to work (eg: lilium's shader knows if the rendering is HDR or SDR)

[winged dune]

I myself couldn't really relate when trying different things in CO, but I was only rendering around 55 frames.

[sterile monolith]

even with load only enabled? i never see the reshade icon in the corner if i have nothing enabled with that option on when swapchain changes happen...

[winged dune]

An easy way to test for yourself is some battle where your FPS drops - it's still steady and consistent between game restarts.

[winged dune]

I've tried with nothing enabled but the list actually loads in full if at least something isn't enabled, didn't pay attention to icon though.

Well, using RCAS and Filmgrain anyway.

[visual flower]

no just some locations are pretty harsh on performance

[hasty loom]

What option?

ShowForceLoadEffectsButton?

[winged dune]

This checkbox.

Turns this into this.

[hasty loom]

Then yes

It only applies the skipped flag which is used here: https://github.com/crosire/reshade/blob/31ca3cb18f49c4bf098d49665604d727711ff49b/source/runtime.cpp#L1097

This is where it sets the flag: https://github.com/crosire/reshade/blob/31ca3cb18f49c4bf098d49665604d727711ff49b/source/runtime.cpp#L1515

[winged dune]

I might try testing in some silly way like dropping to 1080p and using DLSS ultra performance with no FPS cap, but at the end of the day for me specifically, playing at 4k 60 GPU bound, the difference seems practically non-existent.

[hasty loom]

Performance mode overrides the skipped flag

[neon spire]

572.83

[limber goblet]

and the game is still crashing? 🤔

[neon spire]

it isn't

does this still affect performance on old drivers tho?

or is only on latest driver

I will test

[limber goblet]

disabling shaders?

it might affect performance, but should not affect the game stability, if you are still on the older 572.83 driver

I saw no real difference on my PC

[limber goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF4pHlsbiD4 this is actually a very decent video

It's just as good as Alex's "Recommended PC settings" videos imo

[silver perch]

it has a 25% fps loss for me. It is better than without it at times but the moment my real fps (without fg) drops below 70 or so it gets worse than native. (because with fg those 70 become like 55 and then it gets weird sometimes)

also sometimes it bugs out and I need to restart the game because it becomes a stutter fest

like, it becomes a blurry mess unless I disable it or restart it

[silver perch]

also, i have a 5070 ti (might be relevant for the 25% fps loss somehow)

in oblivion for example the native mfg is way better because I dont lose 25% of my base framerate. I dont know why it goes down that much for me

So currently I have it disabled because while it might look better in 90% of the scenes, those 10% are annoying and the breakage is also very annoying

[bold minnow]

I love his videos

[limber goblet]

Yes, his videos are genuinely good and helpful

[clear turtle]

only issue i have is GI on high fucks up hair shading too much

the rest of the settings are good

[fiery orchid]

that 3-4ms cost for Epic GI is rough though

[clear turtle]

imo worth it for hair to not look faded

like for me thats major

[visual flower]

once seeing epic GI I cannot go back

the game looks SO good on epic it's insane

[limber goblet]

yea Epic GI is a must if you can "afford" it

[limber goblet]

yea, it's smiliar to Oblivion's HW lumen

[visual flower]

@limber goblet any settings you adjusted from epic to lower?

[limber goblet]

only shading to high

[fiery orchid]

i was already set on Epic GI for the better light bouncing anyway (from my testing in the starting area, haven't played further), but yeah that's huge

[ancient siren]

I've got foliage on High, and DLSS Balanced. Only concessions I've made at 4K, and I've locked to a rock solid 70 FPS. Feels good

[winged dune]

Shadows and Shading Epic -> High seem to be quite masssive and practicaly unnoticeable.

[visual flower]

I feel like it's noticeable but I never compared it 1-1

might be just me gaslighting myself

[limber goblet]

the shadows setting controls the volumetric effects too, that is somewhat noticeable, that's why I kept shadows at Epic

[visual flower]

I'm not sure what exactly causes some fights to drop in fps quite substantially, happened in like 2 locations so far for me

but reducing shading/shadows seemed to increase fps quite a bit so probably something related to those

[winged dune]

Yeah, i'm in a night area without fog atm, will check somewhere else later.

[visual flower]

would be cool if it was a little more similar in terms of performance between the locations

[summer folio]

Shadows high has a fairly short lod, epic seems basically infinite, no idea what shading epic does though

[winged dune]

For me FPS drops wherever theres some fire effect on screen i think.

[limber goblet]

reducing shading to high is pretty "safe", there is like zero difference in picture quality

[visual flower]

the thing about shading is that I don't really understand what it even affects lol

so I'm not sure what to look for when changing it

[limber goblet]

shading

but yea not sure either

I can see no difference so I lowered it to high

[ancient siren]

Yeah it was the shadow lods that makes me keep it at epic. I hate noticeable pop-in more than pretty much any other artifact

[warped ginkgo]

I had load only enabled; and still crashed

the only thing that did it for me was to nuke all fx

[summer folio]

You can't nuke all fx with puredark or FG won't work, can't disable generic depth either

[limber goblet]

use the older 573.83 driver then it wont crash

[summer folio]

Hasn't crashed for me except one area in early act 2, was just saying

[limber goblet]

oh okay

[summer folio]

Well other than if I force dlaa in console

[warped ginkgo]

I dont use any of those; I only use renodx (unreal engine generic) + the game (steam)

[stiff forge]

do I really need to use the included dxgi.dll?

Im using puredark's upscaling mod

and he said to use his instead of this one

is it there any different or

[limber goblet]

you don't have to name it dxgi.dll, but yes you have to use it

[stiff forge]

ohh alr so I can name it like dxggi.dll?

[warped ginkgo]

if puredark is using the latest commit for his reshade builds

[limber goblet]

if you are talking about reshade

[warped ginkgo]

it should already have all the fixs shortfuse added

[limber goblet]

wait puredark is using reshade?

[stiff forge]

ig he is because he said to use his instead of this one

[stiff forge]

yeah

[warped ginkgo]

puredark uses reshade yea

[limber goblet]

oh my bad then

[stiff forge]

its ok got it then

[eternal python]

Epic settings are brutal damn

[eternal python]

Im running it on high but after seeing this I'll definetly try epic. Probably won´t be able to get stable 60 even with my 4080 tho I'm predicting

[limber goblet]

If you enable RR and use all the ini edits with DLSS preset J, then you have to use DLSS perf if you want to get stable 60 fps.

I use a 4080 too

[eternal python]

Imma try

4K DLSS Transformer Performance (Preset K)

Shadows: High
GI: Epic
Reflections: Epic
Post Process: Epic
Texture: Epic
Visual Effects: Epic
Foliage: High
Shading: High

[limber goblet]

The vanilla game runs fine tho even at epic settings, 3840x1600 DLSS Quality

[eternal python]

And see if I can mantain 60fps in the more demanding areas

[limber goblet]

Use preset J instead of K

[eternal python]

Nah, for me preset K looks good

J is usually worse in my experience

[limber goblet]

J is a lot more stable
but okay

[eternal python]

But it usually has tradeoffs

Its not just more stable

[limber goblet]

I see no real tradeoffs in Exp33

preset K is ghosting too much imo

[eternal python]

It does ghost a bit in some scenes but barely a bother to me honestly

I guess you´ve probably checked comparissons. But in every game here preset K is noticeably better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PoSbb7o6z4

I reaaaaally doubt Expedition is not the exact same

[safe jackal]

wow, so this is the reason I didn't have any crashes compared to others maybe

[warped ginkgo]

I need to try J

rn I'm on 4k ballanced, E

K was too griefed

[eternal python]

K does have it's problems but it makes everything look much crisper without over sharpening so it's worth it for me

Is my go to for every game

[neon spire]

anyhting with a lot of fog is a no for me with preset k

[fickle gorge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1213837557704425472/1369837313374425248/image0.jpg?ex=681d4fe9&is=681bfe69&hm=50a2036921e4c80b44969af17e06cf38a78aeed6d7f2ef194b3736e9dd38a014&

Anyone know why my hdr looks worse using the mod

Sdr is at the top

Saturation is way lower on hdr compared to sdr for some reason

[pearl wagon]

dumb question but is there any performance difference between running special k global vs dxgi (local)? I got it working with renodx and am pretty happy with it

[ornate pilot]

as far as I know there is no difference in performance,
I sometimes used local injection too.

[haughty dirge]

pluys dropping shading from epic to high actually results in less artefacts in this game

[pseudo mist]

Just increase it no?

[pseudo mist]

What is E btw?
(Ik what K is)

[haughty dirge]

E is the latest and "best/most balanced/easiest to recommend overall" of the CNN presets

K is a newer transformer preset than J, but it is not necessarily better - which to use changes on a game by game basis (like how it used to be with C, D, F before we finally got E)

[pseudo mist]

Ohh i see thanks

I have an amd gpu so i am not that well versed in these terms

[haughty dirge]

depending on the visual style of the game and what type of artefacts bother you more, E is the safest option in terms of not introducing any DLSS artefacts, but it isnt capable of generating the insane performance returns the transformer model presets can (where DLSS performance often looks better than quality mode using an old CNN preset)

K tends to fuck up volumetrics and cause some ghosting, while J can cause some crazy shimmer in vegetation

[pseudo mist]

Also what do u guys keep your visual effects & post processing settings at?

[haughty dirge]

so which one looks best is really dependent on the game, there isnt a clearly better one, whereas if you're using the older CNN presets you can pretty much apply E to every game and be fairly confident youre getting the best experience

[pseudo mist]

Interesting

[pseudo mist]

Older cnn presets meaning?

[haughty dirge]

iirc basically everything at high except GI and textures to epic bc of the visual impact and vram availability

in most UE5 titles that just use the "standard" engine settings, most settings have very little visual difference between high and epic

[haughty dirge]

A through F - the DLSS presets we had before Nvidia introduced "transformer model" DLSS with DLSS4 as part of the 50 series announcement

[pseudo mist]

Hm yeah

[haughty dirge]

CNN = convolutional neural network

just a different/older way of doing machine learning

[pseudo mist]

Ahhhh

[pseudo mist]

Anyone else like using rcas in this game? hm

Also any way to disable the cutscenes DoF without disabling it in gameplay n stuff hmm 🤔

[fickle gorge]

I mean is it like sdr being oversaturated or hdr having wrong saturation

Cause isn’t her just supposed to have the same saturation with better highlights

[ornate pilot]

maybe you can share the comparison with screenshoot file .jxr?

[pseudo mist]

^

[grim hinge]

Most likely cursed monitor settings in sdr

[fickle gorge]

Aigh lemme try that

[fickle gorge]

I mean I didn’t touch saturation in both my monitors sdr and hdr modes

[grim hinge]

they come out the box cursed in SDR

all the qd oleds

they stretch the gamut

[fickle gorge]

I did use the rtings color profile thing

Should that fix it

Cuz I imagine reviews would be rlly bad anyways if there was this much variance in the color quality

[warped ginkgo]

just keep your monitor in hdr on always

and get used to it

sdr on most of these displays is busted

might aswell rip the bandaid off

[fickle gorge]

I thought it was only keep ur monitor on hdr for hdr content

Otherwise aren’t I kind of just losing out on the value of my monitor

[warped ginkgo]

you can get a media player that does sdr in hdr accuratly for movies/shows

outside of that; who cares what the task bar looks like

[fickle gorge]

I mean it’s ur windows also

Most YouTube vids too

Etc

[warped ginkgo]

who cares what the file explorer looks like

youtube you can watch in mpv

and mpv does accurate sdr in hdr

or just get used to srgb gamma for youtube

not the end of the world

[grim hinge]

ya i dont think using cursed sdr is a solution

his face is red

rtings says not to use their icc

its dumb that they even upload it

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tests/picture-quality/color-accuracy#our-tests
However, we also include the ICC profile that CalMan generates. This profile is meant for our unit only, and we don't suggest you use it on your monitor, even if it's the same model.