✅RenoDX: Clair Obscur - Expedition 33

[empty mist]

yea it wasnt using any hardware RT, it was just improved software lumen

[haughty dirge]

💯 , imho whatever it actually is doing is having enough of an impact on lumen noise, reflection quality, and perhaps most importantly bc it was driving me nuts almost completely eliminating the disocclusion fizzle on character hair that im willing to run it even tho neither the creator nor i obvi understand what we're actually doing 😂

like i said, im under no illusion of how suboptimal my current engine.ini probably is, but the combo of LOD tweaks + this RT stuff at least is making a visual difference i can appreciate vs all the usuall all in one engine.inis on nexus that are pointless snake oil

agreed that these are a no-brainer/probably the only thing everyone would universally benefit from chucking into their engine.ini atm

[sterile monolith]

are you a dirty chromatic aberration lover

[merry ermine]

Wouldn’t say I’m a lover of it, but I do try to give it a chance if it’s what the devs chose

[sterile monolith]

theres some level of irony to wanting to stick to "creators intent" in a modding discord

[merry ermine]

It’s true lol

[sterile monolith]

especially when its just the default horse shit that every dev throws in their game

[grizzled jackal]

ah btw wanted to get back at this.. yeah i feel you, i wish we could enable better quality motion blur settings like on oblivion with ultra+

the commands dont seem to work

[sterile monolith]

photography and film industry spend countless dollars and efforts to avoid chromatic aberration, every UE game just slathers it in

[merry ermine]

I think it looks alright here so far, I feel like it fits. If I could disable it for gameplay and keep it for cutscenes I think I would.

[haughty dirge]

same here, i usually tend to leave all the fake old camera emulation post process crap on by default if its what the devs wanted (unless its full screen and not per object motion blur 🤮 ) but in the case of this game, chromatic abberation, vignette, and film grain somehow combine into making the image SOOOO super soft that i immediately tried turning them off and yeah... this is defs a turn them off game for me

[haughty dirge]

if that was possible i think id do the same bc i agree it fits the art style, but in combination the various post process lens stuff just has an unusually highly detrimental impact on impact clarity in this game during gameplay

[sterile monolith]

fun fact, with it disabled, the chromatic aberration effect still functions at the end of battle screen where it makes sense, everywhere else is just blurryvision with a side of astigmatism

[merry ermine]

That’s good to know

But yeah. Like I hate the CA in Bloodborne for instance

[slow forum]

Yeah only disabling it via ini works for end battle

[hasty loom]

gta does chromatic aberattion only via the red channel. i don't understand it

[acoustic elbow]

Is it okay to play WuWa with Reshade + addon support? I thought that would be an instant ban

[haughty dirge]

lmao this might be the funniest instance ive ever heard about re an effect that already doesnt make sense in most games

ty for sharing that

xD

[ionic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

[merry ermine]

you got me thinking about it and as it turns out I guess I usually don't mind it in UE games haha

[acoustic elbow]

@merry ermine is finally playing E33

How do you like it so far?

[merry ermine]

it's amazing so far

instantly obvious it's a pretty special game

[hasty loom]

i'm going to try it tomorrow

[acoustic elbow]

Yes, I thought the same thing after playing only a few hours

Praying that this is gonna be GOTY

Its really something else. Makes me miss turn based Final Fantasy

[merry ermine]

I wouldn't say this game is like Nier, but the storytelling reminds me of it. Very confident in its ideas and themes, and when it wants to hit an emotional beat it hits it with everything its got. Haven't played much but it'll probably end up my GOTY I'd guess.

also, making a turn based game with timing windows that aren't straight up QTE prompts is great. Fights are always interesting because you always have to pay attention to what you're fighting and learn the moves.

[ornate pilot]

Agree, I like this playstyle since legend of dragoon on PS1.
And combine it with realtime parry/dodge is perfect I think.

[merry ermine]

also enjoyed legend of dragoon

I'm not a big turn based RPG guy in general, mostly because I'm easily bored with them. I'm very sensitive to pacing in these games I guess. Really like the systems here, there's not a ton of downtime.

[ornate pilot]

Yeah, and some skill can damage you if you fail the QTE 😅

[grizzled jackal]

this is defo my game of the year so far, will be very hard to beat that for me

[grizzled jackal]

defo go in completely blind, the prologue hits so different when you dont know what happens and the trailers etc spoil that sadly

(source: i went in fully blind and i was crying in the prologue which i dont think ever happened in a game for me)

[neon spire]

Same, didn't think anything will get past MHWilds but this just might.

[grizzled jackal]

did some more adjusting with my reno settings (preset 1 is "default" preset 2 is my adjusted)

[haughty dirge]

dude ive barely cried twice in my entire life

the prologue had me sobbing - so glad i knew NOTHING about this game

[warped ginkgo]

honestly so far the game is mid for me

the combat in some shit like Infinite Wealth unironically feels more fun

atm on hard mode I have two options:

1. nuke them with a parry
2. use the ezpz op dodge, and fight normally

I'm not too into the story yet; I found onion knight in act 1 -- so I'm not that far in; we'll see if it gets better

but my friends who got further in on hard say it stays as parry spam

@clear turtle no sdr lut; ap1 hue shifts

nvm this doesnt look too bad

but if an area uses an sdr lut in the lutbuilder; which many areas do based on the shaders -- they will look off when using ini hdr

[visual flower]

it reminded me of nier A LOT at some point, so you got a keen eye

[cobalt crown]

Remove '='

[grizzled jackal]

aint no way

if that works

xd

[fiery orchid]

console doesn't accept =
it's only valid in INIs

[warped ginkgo]

UE console you want cvar variable

= is only for ini files

[grizzled jackal]

[warped ginkgo]

[grizzled jackal]

ok doesnt fix the kind of "glitches" around the character sadly

maybe theres other motion blur stuff id have to look that up

[cobalt crown]

What's the matter? Don't like sizzling on the edges of characters every time the camera moves

UE5 special sauce

Still GOTY for me so far and an incredible debut game from a new studio

Are they using baked lighting?

The GI looks very good in some areas

Though I see typical lumen noise so might be hybrid?

[balmy bloom]

probably an upscaler issue

[grizzled jackal]

I would say hybrid yeah

[grizzled jackal]

yeah, i think u+ in oblivion made it a bit better

[plucky finch]

Try r.MotionBlurSeparable 1 and r.MotionBlur.TargetFPS 0

and r.MotionBlur.Max 5

the last one might be a default though

[grizzled jackal]

seperable is default

target fps was -1

for target fps not sure what you should actually set that to as i dont understand that variable

[plucky finch]

-1 uses engine default, which is 30fps

[grizzled jackal]

i set it to 60 for now as thats my fps cap but no clue if that makes sense

[plucky finch]

0 auto changes the motion blur shutter speed based on the frame rate
This is physically accurate to how the cameras work irl

Essentially, the higher the frame rate, the less MB applied

[grizzled jackal]

ah

big brain

so since my cap is 60

its basically the same if i set 0 or 60

[plucky finch]

ya

[grizzled jackal]

looks really good, you wouldnt think this is 60 fps xd

[buoyant falcon]

what does the first one do

[buoyant falcon]

ya i cant play games at 60 fps without mb now

😩

[digital venture]

If I want to use this setting, shouldn't I put a " = " before the number in engine.ini ?

[grizzled jackal]

these were ingame console commands

for ini i think so

[visual flower]

please make sure to put under spoiler any screenshots or videos after earliest stages of the game

🙏

[sand willow]

Did it ever clean up the noise or just live with it? Later areas don’t seem to suffer like the beginning from what I’ve seen so far

[grizzled jackal]

ah yeah i usually do, forgor

[plucky finch]

Adds the second MB pass to smooth out the resolve

[old wing]

Does anyone know why the RT mod was removed from Nexusmods?

[slow forum]

Oh it was ? Likely because Nexus freaked out about the author shipping dlss & streamline DLLs

[fiery orchid]

https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/42 yes

[old wing]

Pitty, I really like it, to me it seems it replaced some of the SSR with RT (even if just software), SSR should be eradicated, it annoys me so much now that RT exists

[slow forum]

Oh, message indicates the author pulled it himself

[old wing]

Not sure, maybe they messaged him about the DLSS stuff and he then took it down

[slow forum]

Possible but the reason in the message wouldn't make sense if it was that

[old wing]

just so anyone who still wants it can get it, the DLSS RR dlls can probably be obtained elsewhere

[slow forum]

https://github.com/NVIDIA-RTX/Streamline/tree/main/bin/x64
They're all there

[bold minnow]

a lot of the stuff he has in here doesn't do anything because it's the wrong UE5 version

I noticed it in his original version of the engine.ini

a lot of commands are unknown or already have the value he tries to override

It seems he just copied something from another game or so

[empty mist]

He just uploaded a new one

Called just RT Enhanced, no High no medium no Ultra

just this

seems like a lot of lines are gone

[bold minnow]

oh yea that's much cleaner

[empty mist]

might test it wonder what it does now

and the cost of it also

[bold minnow]

still interesting, he left the temporal denoiser for the reflections on but also enbales RR

enables*

should be one or the other

I don't know if RR overwrites temporal denoiser for reflections

I don't think it does much tbh

most noticable thing is ray reconstruction

and downsample factor will create clearer reflections

[neon spire]

what's the performance hit on this one?

[bold minnow]

probably around 20% with RR on

other than the denoiser change performance cost should be negligible

[near mulch]

Hi there! When I use renodx, do we agree that nvidia rtx hdr should be disabled?

[bold minnow]

again, I don't think this ini does too much

[bold minnow]

yea

[near mulch]

And do I have to change any settings in reshade or can I leave it as is?

[empty mist]

yes disable it and just use reno, hdr enabled in windows obviously

[empty mist]

just put your Peak brightness to your monitor, and rest is your own preference. If you like default use it or try moving the sliders to your liking. Or scroll up in this channel and copy someone else's sliders and see if you like them :)

[near mulch]

Thanks !!

[digital venture]

What do you think of this ? https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/71

[near mulch]

Is it possible to combine renodx and reshade?

[surreal thorn]

uh... you know reno is a reshade addon right

[hasty loom]

we've reached that point

[marble plover]

How did you enable autoexposure for DLSS Preset K btw?

[merry ermine]

assuming you mean reshade presets, yes, though a lot of reshade shaders don't behave properly in HDR.

[near mulch]

Yes, sorry, I meant combine renodx and preset reshade. Thanks in any case!

[visual flower]

looks worse than vanilla on screenshots imo

btw Jon I tried your preset (and other presets people suggested here) and I still think the default is the best probably, at least for me personally 👀

[merry ermine]

default game looks good

[visual flower]

some things just don't look quite right with any preset, which leads me to believe it's just engine's thing

in terms of the game not being designed for hdr initially

[merry ermine]

the more I play the more my preset shifts closer to default tbh

[visual flower]

makes sense

I'm in a quite dark area and even with default it is pretty dark

but with presets it crushes details quite a lot

[merry ermine]

what I'm using now lol

[visual flower]

I'll give it a try 🙏

but regardless, hope you're enjoying the game

[silver perch]

this is mine

very similar to default though

[silver perch]

way way way too much saturation for my tastes

[merry ermine]

default game "crushes" detail too. It plays with contrast a good bit. I'm not focused on making everything visible all the time, I just care if it looks good and keeps things visible that need to be. The game likes to juxtaposition the silhouette of objects in the foreground with brightly lit objects in the background.

[merry ermine]

did you set blowout as well?

[silver perch]

yes

[visual flower]

yeah in terms of visibility and everything "pop" it's def very good

I usually love that too

the less "foggy" picture in hdr

[merry ermine]

I see. It's functionally not that much more saturation than default lol

but I get it

[silver perch]

then something must be broken on my end

because its a lot more than default for me

[merry ermine]

it might end up being a good bit more sat in that dark red area, I haven't gotten there

[silver perch]

testing it in camp rn

I like to turn down saturation and instead make the highlight saturation higher

[visual flower]

there are some scenes in default that are outliers in terms of visual representation where it just looks wrong but I'm not sure if presets can fix that

it's usually in overly bright scenarios where you expect the light to look differently

[merry ermine]

but it's really not that much more lol

[visual flower]

but it looks kinda like a bit washed out exposure I want to say

[silver perch]

thats how it looks like to me too

[visual flower]

this looks like so much more to me honeslty but not in a bad way

[silver perch]

so I might just be more senstitive to it

[visual flower]

I think your colors look right and beautiful

[merry ermine]

I guess I just like the deeper dark colors lol

doesn't register as too much to me

[visual flower]

it's just more "rich"

while the default is a bit bland

[merry ermine]

technically 80/80 sat/blowout would be a rough match for ACES in HDR, which is what the game uses in SDR. So in that sense you could argue it's "intended". Who knows if they'd actually make that choice with HDR though 🤷

[silver perch]

default, what i use, yours

ah shit

how to upload hdr

[visual flower]

ggs

[silver perch]

so that it shows

[merry ermine]

upload hdr pngs, reshade takes them

[silver perch]

the images are hdr

I mean so they show in discord

without download

[merry ermine]

those are JXRs, PNGs will embed

[silver perch]

ah

[merry ermine]

I'm more sensitive to highlight saturation lol

[silver perch]

its a lot stronger

so I need to turn it down comparatively

like, 80 sat vs 80 highlight, the highlights will look way stronger

so I might need to use like 60 highlight sat to match the intensity

is there something like icat (image slider) online? something that supports hdr images

[visual flower]

looks pretty good on a first glance

it's just a little less bland than the default

which is pretty nice

[silver perch]

my goal was to try and keep the default style but make it look a bit more "hdr"

had to put blowout to 5 or otherwise some lamps look overexposed

[visual flower]

I like it so far, thanks for sharing

[empty mist]

im testing these values rn and it looks pretty good for a minimal fps hit
r.Lumen.TraceMeshSDFs=1
r.Lumen.TraceMeshSDFs.Allow=1
r.Lumen.TraceMeshSDFs.TraceDistance=300

[silver perch]

thats this one right?

[empty mist]

yes

the lumen enhacner

def better than the RT Enhanced mod

that one cost me like 20-30 fps for a small visual upgrade (except Reflections)

with these 3 lines

reflections for sure not perfect

[silver perch]

you think it is better than vanilla? Is it possible to turn it on and off in game to quickly see the difference?

like with a console

[empty mist]

hm let me try

i do have it in engine.ini

so im not sure if it will actually override those values or not

[visual flower]

I think I'll still stick to default thought, it's kinda funny I go back and forth and somehow still end up liking the foggy atmosphere more

[empty mist]

1st image is with those 3 commands, 2nd with off

[silver perch]

I disabled film grain in the settings and renodx and added my own global film grain on very sublte settings to give me back a bit of texture and foggy-ness

[empty mist]

i assume its working since fps goes up by like 3 fps as soon as i turn it off

[silver perch]

did you disable it in console?

[empty mist]

ye

i can see it changing somewhat

when i change the values

to my eyes

it just adds a slight depth

not to reflections but like the AO

im not honestly sure lmao

[silver perch]

depending on the scene I like it more but in some I also like it less. I might just turn it off. Rather keep my tweaks simple unless I really like them

[empty mist]

hard to see in the location where i am currently :D

ill test it somewhere else later

[silver perch]

looks like it mostly makes things darker. Though idk if it looks better or worse

[empty mist]

here its somewhat visible

atleast i think it is

it does get slightly darker

but its really minimal

[silver perch]

because it is less bright it looks like contrast is a bit higher. Looks as if it has a higher gamma curve. But idk if thats for the best for me. Because if we compare two images then the one with higher gamma will most likely look better

but I also dont want to just turn up all the sliders

[empty mist]

here it makes stuff shine slightly more tho

[merry ermine]

RT can be subtle like that, but it should mean that all sides of objects look more correct. I find that RT improvements are more noticeable in person as you navigate the world than they are in any one screenshot really

hard to say what's best for this game though, they use color in very specific ways

[empty mist]

yea to me it makes some objects look slightly better

[silver perch]

Do you know if it might make very dark places a bit worse clarity wise?

Like extremely dark caves

[empty mist]

@silver perch first is with it ON, second with it OFF

its really minimal

not near a cave rn so icant say

but this is a dark spot i found

here look at the rocks near the light on the floor

thats kinda the biggest difference i spotted

[inner pagoda]

Have you tried this in act 2 yet? I feel like that saturation value might be a tad bit too much in act 2.

Noob question, what does the blowout slider do? I see it desaturates when I drag it, when are you supposed to use it

[silver perch]

If you notice any highlights like lamps or other bright lights to completely lose all detail and become monochromatic bright blobs I think

For my settings everything was fine at 0 blowout except for like a single lamp in the manor I think

So it’s hard to notice how much you really need

[inner pagoda]

Yeah, it looks fine to me at 0 but I might not have looked at the lamps lol

Thanks, appreciate it!

[silver perch]

It was a chandelier in the manor I think. Looked like uniform orange blobs of light to me

(It was fixed at a blowout of 3 for me but I think I settled on 5 at the end. Was probably caused by highlights being above 50 I reckon)

[merry ermine]

Not in act 2, no.

Blowout desaturates as luminance increases. Using a high saturation value with high blowout (that matches or nearly matches) adds deep rich colors in darker regions and rolls them off towards white as luminance increases.

[inner pagoda]

That’s helpful, thanks! Will play around with it later!

[visual flower]

this game is so good

I can't believe it lmao

it keeps surprising me

[silver perch]

I like the bw scenes the most

[inner pagoda]

Yep, game is incredible

But the parry timing is way tighter than I expected lol

Feels great though

[merry ermine]

Game would be a cakewalk if it wasn’t haha

[silver perch]

I played through act1 in the hard difficulty but I might set it to normal. Some fights took me like an hour

Because I’m too stubborn to leave to camp, level up, return

[neon spire]

party comp matters a lot in this game but they spend so little time explaining things

glad they at least give you easy respecs

[compact totem]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-its-peak-its-way-too-peak-its-honestly-more-than-peak-meme-gif-14944785001351870503

[compact totem]

Just hit all the parries 🔥

[empty mist]

havent used a single one yet, not sure what i would do different xd

[compact totem]

I have used exactly one!

xd

[empty mist]

the one for the Skills tree or the one for upgrade levels?

[compact totem]

for pushing my damage number as high as possible last night lol

levels

[empty mist]

ahhh okay

[silver perch]

I used one to try and put all points into a single stat and that’s it

[empty mist]

i have mine kinda spread out

[visual flower]

it is, I was surprised too, but it kinda what makes it really fun and rewarding

also the system itself that you can use dodges until you're comfortable is so smart too

[empty mist]

some characters i have more in 1 attribute and other in a different one, but i try to level them up all at the same time somewhat

[compact totem]

Already posted this in the hdr content gaming forum one but https://fixupx.com/expedition33/status/1917653210212270542

Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 (@expedition33)

OKAY, we were wrong, we get it.
︀︀
︀︀The true strategy is dying over and over until you land a counter.
︀︀
︀︀This is the second option.

Quoting Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 (@expedition33)
︀
Remember, you can always practice your parries by dodging first, and learning the enemy moves.
︀︀
︀︀Dodging is a little easier, which allows you the time to start memorising patterns.
︀︀
︀︀Practice is everything!

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FixupX · Apr 30, 2025, 6:52 PM

[merry ermine]

My problem is that I will choose to fail until I can hit the parries well enough.

Feels too good to hit the parries and get the action points or whatever they’re called

[visual flower]

yeah true

[silver perch]

I have turned off film grain in renodx and the game settings and enabled this filter. I think I like it. I made it extremely extremely subtle and almost unnoticeable. It only gives the image a little bit of "thickness" and texture that might be lacking with it off in the game.

[compact totem]

Let's be real this is the only valid way to play the game

[errant jackal]

If you install liliums shaders, there is HDR filmgrain shader which is good stuff

[silver perch]

will look into it

what does it do different?

I like the one above because of the signal-to-noise function that makes it less intense for bright objects

[hasty loom]

that's how the RenoDX grain works

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/5rxlhmfilp

[visual flower]

is there a way to check which options of Lyall's fix are enabled? like a hotkey that pops console?

[jagged portal]

V2.1.0

• Add missing shaders (Courtesy of Adrian)

[silver perch]

idk what fix that is but if its the one on github then there is a .ini

[merry ermine]

I'm so glad you guys are working on this 😭

[visual flower]

this game hella deserves proper HDR

it's a blessing to have you all

[slow forum]

Newer Reshade ?

6.4.1.25 (older one was 6.4.1.21)

[jagged portal]

Yeah, nothing major

[silver perch]

actually now that I am in act 2 I had to change them to something even less agressive cuz the light in the clouds behind the paintress was too yellow

so maybe over time my preset will also converge to default

[visual flower]

haha

yea default is the goat for me so far

[pearl wagon]

Do I want to use any of these commands if I DO have motion blur enabled? I use motion blur and film grain

[empty mist]

i only tried and use the second command and motion blur looks great to me

[copper rock]

Do we need to force a shader recompilation when we upgrade the mod?

[merry ermine]

yeah, you'd pretty much always want games to use targetfps 0. It makes motion blur strength scale with framerate.

[wraith atlas]

DLAA still broken?

[grizzled pulsar]

should I use the in-game film grain if I already have renodx's film grain enabled

[wraith atlas]

Yup, just crashed. RIP

[warped ginkgo]

just set dlss quality to like 90%

with transformer unless you're on 1080p; no need for dlaa

hell I use dlss balanced [@ 4k, 32 inch] even if I dont need it

because transformer gud

[grizzled pulsar]

there are some rare moments where you can see ghosting on particles. But yeah transformer looks really good. I'm using DLSS Quality at 1440p

[warped ginkgo]

[sand willow]

yea it's like on flower petals floating around etc. but even then not on all of them

[median swift]

are we able to do that in game?

[warped ginkgo]

nvidia app

[haughty dirge]

I imagine it was this as mods that contain DLSS and/or Streamline files get removed from Nexus all the time for this reason. Authors usually tend to link to the Streamline Github or TechPowerUp for the DLSS dlls and include instructions on how to download and where to place them

[haughty dirge]

Fwiw I haven't tried the newest version yet, but in the absence of an Ultra Plus mod for this game for now, and even knowing that what the author originally claimed wasn't possible (enabling hardware RT), the mod has a significant impact on the quality of lumen reflections and completely eliminates the fizzle and occlusion artefacts around character hair, both of which were driving me nuts. Agree that I don't love having an ini full of stuff where I don't know what it does/a lot of it might do nothing, but at least vs most engine.ini type mods on Nexus there's a major* visual impact so I'm willing to bear with it for the moment 😅

• To be super clear, when I say "major" visual impact, that's a very subjective assessment as the two things the mod does affect significantly (lumen noise and hair fizzle & disocclusion) are things that really stand out to me so I'm willing to pay a hefty performance penalty to eliminate them. I'm sure many, if not most, people would not share my view as the effect it has on the overall image quality besides those factors is much smaller

[warped ginkgo]

does the game use profile E by default?

[haughty dirge]

Sorry, not the OP you replied to, I use Special K to force DLSS presets and turn auto exposure on/off

[warped ginkgo]

it ships with 3.7

lets see what replacing it with 3.8 does (iirc 3.8 doesnt support profiles outside of E and F)

https://i.imgur.com/NsjCk7Q.png

yep profile E out of box

btw in this game transformer seems a bit off; esp around volumentrics (K)

but use what you think looks best

[haughty dirge]

yeah it has the same-ish/similar issues with volumetrics as in other UE5 games. J is better in that regard but worse on foliage. atm imho im willing to live with the issues as the trade off is the performance i can recover by running DLSS in performance mode - if it has frame gen I would probs stick with E

[neon spire]

same issue in MH wilds

[teal willow]

idk if theres been any more discussion on this, but is it just not possible to run RenoDX on clair obscur without stutters [particularly in cutscenes?] usually happens on camera cuts, but it can happen in game and just in general too

when i removed renodx, and ive been playing for a a few days since then all the stutters were gone or significantly lessened

[neon spire]

there are some cutscenes that are terrible but most are fine, stuters are ther no matter what reno does make them worse for sure

lyall's fix helps if you cap fps at 60 and unlock cutscene frame rate

[slate ingot]

I usually use preset J (transformer as well) in games with volumetrics issues

[sand willow]

is there just normal flicker on objects in this game or is that a draw distance issue?

[safe jackal]

what's annoying from your clip is the ghosting from the petals, are you using dlss or something else?

I'm not seeing much flickering, but I'm giving this game a lot of margin for its imperfections/visual artifacts because it isn't really a huge AAA project

[slow forum]

Nah it's back online as a single variant still shipping with the DLLs, guess the author did have an issue not knowing how to solve and then had a lightbulb moment

[somber pebble]

You feel J works better with volumetrics than K?
At this pace nvidia isnt releasing a better model anytime soon lol

[slate ingot]

Yes it’s better with volumetrics in most games i’ve tried so far. But say ACShadows is shit with both

[haughty dirge]

especially given its beta status, imo it makes more sense to think of transformer DLSS and its presets like we used to think of CNN DLSS before preset E came out in like, 3.7? or whenever it was

like depending on the game, the engine, the implementation, the art style, etc etc sometimes C, D, or F would be superior

it wasnt until they "maxxed out" the CNN model that we got preset E as the, best of all worlds kinda preset

i think they will get their quicker with the new transformer model just bc they have more experience at this stage, but i think it makes sense to think of the transformer presets like we used to think of CNN presets

if shimmering and ghosting is a big issue, K tends to be better than J

if volumetrics are the big issue, J tends to be better than K

and then theres just games (like AC Shadows) where E continues to look better than either of the beta presets so might as well use that - not like theyre taking away the old presets any time soon 🙂

[plucky finch]

Yes

[visual flower]

does it affect anything negatively in return compared to K?

[slate ingot]

Image less sharp/refined in the distance

[plucky finch]

K breaks volumetric in return

J is kinda in between of models E and K

[rugged lotus]

what preset/model is worth using for this game?

ah i see preset J being suggested

[eternal python]

How do you enable the console?

[eternal python]

Good question

[ebon python]

If you're using lyalls fix you can set enable console to true in the config it comes with

[eternal python]

I'm not, is it recommended to use?

[ebon python]

I would recommend it. It disables 30 fps cutscene lock among other things

https://github.com/Lyall/ClairObscurFix

[eternal python]

Will try it out! Thanks

What does this mean tho? "Disable letterboxing/pillarboxing in cutscenes."

Removes black bars?

[errant jackal]

Yes

[eternal python]

Oh I definetly don't want that

[buoyant falcon]

why not

its not for pre-rendered videos

[west smelt]

It’s configurable in the ini. You can disable it if you don’t want it.

[plucky finch]

It's optional
Everything about the mod is

[elder void]

Those never bothered me neither. Guess they composed the cutscenes with letterboxing in mind.

[digital venture]

it's more for widescreen as there is also black bars right and left, so it's like you have a small screen

[eternal python]

Exactly

[eternal python]

Yeah in this case it makes sense

[merry ermine]

I do that in Engine.ini

Needs to bd created, edited, and then set read only otherwise the game deletes the file.

[eternal python]

I installed the fix above

Do i need to enter whichever command I want every time I launch the game?

[merry ermine]

yes, or add them to engine.ini so it automatically applies them

[eternal python]

Ohhh, I will add it to the ini then

How do you go about setting that ini up tho?

[merry ermine]

steam: %LOCALAPPDATA%\Sandfall\Saved\Config\Windows
xbox: %LOCALAPPDATA%\Sandfall\Saved\Config\WinGDK\

create Engine.ini

add

r.MotionBlur.TargetFPS=0```
save, close
right click, properties, set read only

[eternal python]

Thanks! Your`re the goat <3<3

This makes the motion blur behave accordingly with no issues, right?

[merry ermine]

yeah, I've been using it the whole time

[eternal python]

Nice

[visual flower]

Jon did you do any more adjustments to your preset? starting to like it more and more

[merry ermine]

uhhhh I don't remember if I posted it after more adjustments

[visual flower]

yeah

alright, thanks!

[eternal python]

What does the blowout setting do?

[merry ermine]

reduces saturation as luminance increases. Increasing it adjusts the curve that it applies on, so the higher the setting the more bright colors get shifted towards white.

[eternal python]

Ohhh, interesting

And the flare one?

[merry ermine]

different kind of shadow slider, not really sure how to describe how it differs

different kind of curve, personally I think it looks a lot better than dropping shadows

[jagged portal]

Shadows affect all of the lower range, flare is basically black crush

[eternal python]

Ohhhh black crush, gotcha

I'm still probably going to leave it at default for more accuracy tho

[thin pike]

Sorry for late reply but, playing this game in 32:9 with black bars is certainly not as engrossing. 😂

[empty mist]

Is there any way to make Reno remember the preset I used before closing the game? I currently use Preset #3 and it always switches to Preset #1 after I close game and start it again

[slow forum]

No, it's RenoDX biggest caveat imo

[bold minnow]

fastest way would be to just swap presets by changing number here

I guess

in the reshade.ini

maybe there is a hidden setting we could set for default preset?

[empty mist]

okay good to know will try that

[somber pebble]

DLAA isn't doable in this game with reno right?

[slow forum]

Should be, there was even a dedicated DLAA fix update to Ritsu's build recently

[empty mist]

works for me i tried it again today and it ran just fine for me

[old wing]

got this crash and it's consistent, I removed any other mods and tweaks, I don't want to spoil where I am, since it's about 20 hours into the game

Using DLSS quality

Just saw that I'm not on the latest build, will try 2.1

[somber pebble]

I dont know why but was expecting it to run a bit better at 4K epic DLAA with a 4090 😄 opening playable section already quite a bit of stuttering lmao

[old wing]

Nope still crashes

Anyone else got the game crashing later on? I can't continue the game

It crashes consistently at the same part right after my safe

[eternal python]

Epic settings are insane in this game. Try all high and textures and post process epic

[eternal python]

Try to remove Reno and check

[old wing]

Pretty sure it's reno, since it's mentioned in the trace

But will do

[eternal python]

If it's reno maybe remove, play a bit and then try adding it back?

[empty mist]

I play all epic on dlss quality with a 4090 just fine, but im on 3440x1440 so not as high as 4k :D

[somber pebble]

Well, I am using the enhanced lumen mod as well. But yeah, after the first cutscene, balcony. 4K, Epic, DLSS Quality Preset K, rotating the camera = 63-74 FPS.

Also using reno of course. Beta reshade version from here, also using the dxgi that was in the reno download

[empty mist]

to sort of assure you, the worst location where i had the worst fps in the game was that prologue area. there i was sitting at around 70-90 fps with all Epic, after that in later areas of the game i'm mostly sitting above 100-120 most of the time

the lumen mod only made me lose about 2-3 fps so its not a big hit tbh

[eternal python]

Is it really noticeable the lumen mod?

[bold minnow]

interestingly I had this error happen a lot with reno but it stopped happening since I disabled all Post Processing effects via engine.ini

unfortunately that disables DoF too which looks quite good on this game

here's my engine.ini in case anyone's interested

I've got some personal lumen tweaks to reduce some artifacts and weird lighting

[old wing]

Thx, but I'll stick with RTX HDR for a moment, way uglier than renodx though, didn't know the difference was that huge

[bold minnow]

you could also just enable native hdr through engine.ini instead

should look much better than rtx hdr

still not as good as reno

[old wing]

I did already try that, but imo rtx hdr looks better, renodx is way ahead though

and my engine.ini is an abomination trying to make the game look best, it's a mix of all the lumen/rt/lod mods and I get 35 fps in camp with a watercooled 5090 and am very happy with it xD

[old wing]

dlss quality btw not dlaa

[bold minnow]

bruh hahah

[somber pebble]

looool holy crap 😄

It's weird though. I don't go below 60 but rotating the camera on a controller nonstop doesn't feel like 60 fps, it's like there's some odd framepacing stuff going on.... no idea what's going on or if it's just how the game is...

Regardless, the game doesn't look THAT amazing. Wasn't expecting to see some shadows on the floor literally being occluded/"de-occluded" literally 10 cm from my character on Epic and with the enhanced lumen engine.ini loool.
Everyone was praising this game so hard and how good it looks/runs I legitimately thought it was going to run much better than this

[eternal python]

It has the typical ue5 shortcomings but it can look really good at times

[somber pebble]

Even in the "ball" or whatever is going on after the paintress wakes up, I was expecting mirrors there to have RT reflections 😄 Gustave isn't even reflected in those weird

[old wing]

if you want to give it a go, though just noticed I activated DLAA by accident, with DLSS Quality I still get around 60 FPS

[somber pebble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Go424PV38

this is my exact setup so I'm experiencing the exact same thing as in this video, so nothing wrong on my end at least 😄 Hopefully these framespikes and weird tiny stutters are just in the prologue

[somber pebble]

Also, DLAA is broken right? Cause dlss indicator showed it was rendering at an odd resolution, not 3840x2160

[summer folio]

Yeah it's capped at like 80% scaling even if you force like 99% or something via dlsstweaks, only way to render at native internally is to use dldsr+dlss, but that's very expensive at 4k

[bold minnow]

it's weird for me personally this game has a completely flat framtime graph

oblivion on the other hand has massive stutters

I've seen guys experience the exact opposite

[summer folio]

Same and same, oblivion frametimes are a mess

[somber pebble]

Looks like it's something they should fix in a patch then. I guess I'm just gonna play at High DLSS Q, hopefully DLAA when they fix that

[somber pebble]

https://youtu.be/BAoG90UZW5U?si=yEYTwOiC_pSbAvDD&t=512

I've timestamped but here even with a 5090 + 9800x3d, same deal

[bold minnow]

yup I saw his vid on release too

I was already nervous when I saw it's UE5

but luckily I have zero issues veeeeeery rarely do I have a minor stutter

https://youtu.be/x_lkXQrHUJE

[bold minnow]

I didn't engage any enemies or anything on purpose to not spoil anything

but this is how it runs for me

as soon as youtube has processed it

[eternal python]

The difference from native (1st image) to reno (2nd) is INSANE

Its in spoiler because theres a non starting character in the shot. You can only see the back tho, nothing major at all (still in act 1)

[empty mist]

does anyone else have this issue where i cant put another window on top of E33 itself?

its like the "always on top" in task manager, anything i wanna view just goes behind the game :D

[bold minnow]

reboot your pc

had this problem with other games as well

sometimes it's just windows

[empty mist]

it does this all the time tho

only with this game

[bold minnow]

yea it's still probably just windows

I know exactly what you mean

you could start using a second desktop for this kind of stuff

windows key + tab

if you're on win11

[empty mist]

good idea tbh

never in my life have i used that option

maybe best time to start lol

[ember solstice]

How do I fix Gustav's beard?

[bold minnow]

hi vik, we have the same name lmao

are you using any lumen tweaks in your engine.ini?

[ember solstice]

hey there! I am

[bold minnow]

yea most likely one of those is causing this, probably has something to do with screentracing or something like that

[eternal python]

Then it obviously is that lol

These tweaks always introduce some sort of issues at some point

[bold minnow]

yea it's best if you keep your engine.ini tweaks very simple and clean

[ember solstice]

Oh. that makes sense. I thought you were going to say that. lol

[eternal python]

Yup, the devs are not dumb (usually). If they didnt use those tweaks its probably for a reason 😛

[ember solstice]

Its not a massive deal breaker but I think they do make the game look a bit better

[merry ermine]

Just the way the game is. You can control window behavior like this with SK

[ember solstice]

I have not noticed any issues besides this.

[merry ermine]

I had this issue even without tweaks tbf

I still have it after tweaks too lol

[eternal python]

Oh really? haven't had it myself

Weird

[bold minnow]

yea haven't seen that one either

[merry ermine]

Game pass version of the game is outdated, maybe it matters

Which is what I’m on

[bold minnow]

man I freakin' love this game

[eternal python]

I played on gamepass and today I transitioned to steam cause I wanted to support the studio. No issues in either

[bold minnow]

it's soooo good

[merry ermine]

Huh, yeah idk then

[eternal python]

Hell yeah, I expected it to be good. But not THIS good

[ember solstice]

lol. I don't remember. I was playing as gustav at the start without the tweaks so didn't look at his face much but he comes on my screen quite often now with that cyberpunk beard. lol

[merry ermine]

Well, technically I’ve been using a motion blur tweak this whole time…surely that wouldn’t cause this though

[eternal python]

Im also using it and nah

[ember solstice]

what is this motion blur tweak?

[eternal python]

Fixes the motion blur to update at the correct framerate instead of the default 30fps

[bold minnow]

r.MotionBlur.TargetFPS=0 <- makes motion blur adjust to the actual fps of the game instead of having a fixed value

[merry ermine]

This

[ember solstice]

oh thank you. thats nice. how does it behave natively though?

[eternal python]

I think with that, Reno and Lyalls fix the game is perfect

[eternal python]

30 fps

[empty mist]

weird, i never had any issues with the beard on the character the whole time of my playthrough

[ember solstice]

got it. I'll throw that in the mix then. I can say that its not this tweak cxausing the issue though because I didn't add it

[merry ermine]

Basically the tweak lower the amount of motion blur

[empty mist]

dude thanks for mentioning this

fucking love sk xD

[merry ermine]

Sk framerate limiter works perfectly in this too, rare that I can actually do all the things I want to do to a game lol

[dawn juniper]

Posting this here as everytime i load my save my game crashes. I am using the nexusmods mod https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/6?tab=description

[ember solstice]

awesome. thank you. its added. Any way to disable the DOF completely?

[bold minnow]

r.DepthOfFieldQuality=0

[eternal python]

Poor DoF :((

[bold minnow]

although I think the DoF in this game really makes it cinematic

I wouldn't remove it personally

[dawn juniper]

If i remove the renodx mod from the game files the save loads fine again. So it's for sure the renodx stuff messing it up

[empty mist]

yea i agree. although it blurs a lot of stuff, it looks really nice

[ember solstice]

I understand some people like it. i just personally don't like it in any game.

thank you though

[bold minnow]

yea absolutely I understand wanting to have an absolute crisp picture

I would love an option to only enable it in cinematics

[ember solstice]

Oh I understand where you're coming from. I guess its fine in cinematics

but I don't think I've seen any any game do that. If its disabled its disabled completely

[dawn juniper]

Noone else in here who has crashes when using the renodx mod? or do any of you remember reading of someone who had same issue?

[silver perch]

I had crashes but they disappeared after disabling weird mods. Like the anti stutter mods and stuff

[dawn juniper]

Hmmmm odd, i only have the renodx mod

[bold minnow]

I had crashes until I completely disabled all Post Processing lol

could be unrelated though

[hasty loom]

Crashes are almost always related to resource upgrades. Very rarely it's related to shaders (oblivion is more stable with allow multiple push constants disabled in the code).

[dawn juniper]

resource upgrades? what does that mean?

[hasty loom]

Internal workings. There's more upgrades here than the generic UE mod since it targets more support, specifically the DLAA resolutions

I think Ritsu tested DLAA on 4K which could have a different resolution on other setups

More graphic features, more resources, more crash probability

[dawn juniper]

Im also on 4k, but i'm not using DLAA. I have DLSS balanced currently. But not sure if it did something, but i put Post process from ultra to low in the game settings, and now it randomly worked. after 15 or so crashes in a row

[hasty loom]

The code is here: https://github.com/MohannedElfatih/renodx/blob/874c6fdeedc524e70a28dc790d422e363b7c2d58/src/games/clairobscur_expedition33/addon.cpp#L255

It might be more stable if https://github.com/MohannedElfatih/renodx/blob/874c6fdeedc524e70a28dc790d422e363b7c2d58/src/games/clairobscur_expedition33/addon.cpp#L208 this is removed, if it's crashing from shaders

The reshade.log entries before the crash can help narrow down why it's crashing

[warped ginkgo]

I'm using the UE generic mod; and its pretty solid

only issue is DLAA doesnt work; but since DLAA creates a much lower res RT -- its not worth using anyway

(Plus I need DLSS Perf for FPS anyway kek)

[hasty loom]

Ritsu's mod also has r11g11b10f upgrades default on NV. So UE mod lets you opt in to more unstable upgrades

[eternal python]

What is this UE mod you're talking about?

[hasty loom]

#1321685184852135967

[warped ginkgo]

the only difference between this and UE is UE doesnt have real time sliders

and you have to manually enable the upgrades yourself

[eternal python]

How does this differ from the Expedition specific mod?

[eternal python]

Oh I see, just this?

[warped ginkgo]

in theory it might look better; but idk how big of a differece it is

probably not that big since ritsu messed with the lutbuilders

[eternal python]

I think ill stick with ritsu version since I haven't had any issues yet and looks amazing, hard to beat honestly

I guess what the UE one does is a more native implementation or something?

[bold minnow]

I think it's just more tweakable

allows more upgrades and has more sliders

[warped ginkgo]

both mods have the same sliders

the unreal engine mod just requirs a scene change for the sliders to apply

[hasty loom]

UE has scene grading

[bold minnow]

UE one has more I believe?

[hasty loom]

Like 5 IIRC

[eternal python]

Ohhh gotcha. Well im only changing peak brightness for the highlights to not change colors compared from SDR

[hasty loom]

Though the scene grading sliders need a scene refresh. In oblivion it's pause and unpause.

[warped ginkgo]

clair obscur its:

• load a save
• exit to main menu + continue
• enter/exit combat
• enter char inventory and exit

[eternal python]

Wtf, all that to see changes to the shader?

[hasty loom]

I got output shaders down to 3 lines now. A bit more complicated if the game has grain and you want to disable that

[warped ginkgo]

but yea I also just changed peak and dont touch the sliders

[warped ginkgo]

I feel like less shaders replacing in dx12

= more stable

but thats just a theory

[hasty loom]

Less pipeline layouts yes, but that's not controlled by shader replacement count

[warped ginkgo]

the UE mod might replace the lutbuilder once your entire game session

which also has some perf benefits

all renodx code runs in on 32x32x32 lut drawn once per scene vs. output shader running every pixel

both mods are solid though; me using UE is just because its what I have on hand and dont want to keep up with updates

UE will just work as long as the mod has a lutbuilder

[eternal python]

Oh and the Expedition one will break with updates?

[empty mist]

i think he means updating Renodx, like the versions of Renodx.expedition33.addon64 everytime there is a new update by Ritsu

[eternal python]

Ohh gotcha

[west smelt]

For anyone using Lyal's fix, do this please! I dont know if its placebo but I think it allows RenoDX to apply shaders correctly.
https://github.com/Lyall/ClairObscurFix/issues/11#issuecomment-2843485844

[empty mist]

I dont think renodx should really break with game updates, atleast i never had that issue

[empty mist]

is this for people who use skip intro movies only?

[eternal python]

Wdym, how is it not applying them correctly without it?

[west smelt]

I believe it fixes the shader cache.

[eternal python]

How is it broken now? I'm not having any noticeable issues

If you dont skip intros this is not needed?

[west smelt]

I didnt word it properly. Ever since this fix, I feel the colors are correct. Game isn't washed out anymore. It may be because I've moved to another area but I just feel that, overall, the game loooks much better since I did this. No change to Reno as such, just makes me feel that the HDR looks much better since I did this.

[eternal python]

But in that link people is talking about shader cache of the game itself, not reno

And they talk about taking a long time to get to the main menu

[empty mist]

hm

if you could, try letting the game do its own shader comp, like the normal file, take a screenshot, then do the trick or whatever, and take another screenshot in the same place

kinda hard to compare when restarting game

[eternal python]

I never see a shader comp in my game honestly

And it runs smoothly

[empty mist]

i think my game only did it once when i first launched it, ever since then nothing

[eternal python]

Yeah, that´s the normal thing

[empty mist]

not even like a full shader comp i think it was just ultra quick or during gameplay really quick, not sure tbh

[eternal python]

Yeah i dont think its a full one either

[empty mist]

oblivion on the other hand, 10 mins shader comp, shader comp during gameplay sometimes and still runs worse than Expedition 33 lmao

[eternal python]

But game´s relatively smooth, specially since its unreal so I guess its working

[eternal python]

Hahahahaha yeah

[empty mist]

yea this is the first ue5 title i actually enjoy playing

[eternal python]

Kinda same! But mostly cause I avoided all others lol

Except Avowed, that one runs REALLY good

Even better than Expedition

[empty mist]

black myth wukong was okay but i cant compare since i had my old rig back then and i hated how it ran. Stalker2 was horrendous in terms of looks and its performance tbh

[eternal python]

I wanted to play SH2 Remake but I saw the stutter issues and I haven't bought it yet lol

And I think they never fixed them unfortunately

[empty mist]

one of the best looking and best running game i ever played was def RDR2

[eternal python]

That´s the absolute goat of graphics yeah, wont be topped till GTA 6 lol. The crunch at Rockstar pays dividends xD

[empty mist]

i think what i like about this game tho is that its really unique mostly in terms of visuals for being in ue5, like artistically very well done. most ue5 games i played atleast were visually very similar to me

[eternal python]

Yeah... This one still definetly has that look, but since it's not going for photorealism like most other UE5 games but instead a more stylized look it stands out

[jagged portal]

Try this, also lemme know what your monitor's res is

If above doesn't work, then test this too

[midnight estuary]

Using ClairObscurFix, through the command line how can I enable HDR?

[silver perch]

I tried it and now the colors look washed out

so yeah idk why

fixed itself after another restart

[haughty dirge]

yeah - agreed - its defs the combo of having a very strong and cohesive art style and making competent use of the UE5 feature set (far from perfect, but better than most imho). dunno about you but for me the UE5 equivalent of "everything in UE3 looks the same bc of specular erything and piss filter" are mostly the post process effects (for lack of a better term, maybe what im referring to is technically broader than that). its usually things like the style/look of depth of field, bloom, certain particle effects, etc. that just immediately jump out as looking identical, even if the underlying art direction is v different

so many games on PC only supporting software lumen defs doesnt help either as the lumen artefacts have such a consistent appearance across UE5 titles. imho that would be alleviated greatly by more UE5 games offering the hardware lumen option as that just looks like realistic ray traced lighting as opposed to having these super apparent and readily visible shortcomings :/

edit: need to learn how too spel

[sand willow]

The quality of the video probably isn’t great, but on the roof in the back it keeps going dark and light; on faces too.

DLSS transformer is being used; trying to switch between K and J presets

[sand willow]

It’s definitely the art direction that’s the W. I agree that the visual issues are noteworthy. It’s a snare on an actually fun game; just wish it was as fun to look at in certain areas

[sand willow]

Wait it has an update?

[winged dune]

For me, the visuals and style are top notch, only hair noise and lumen trails are standing out a bit. And staying at 60 with everything maxed at 4K with DLSS Quality with very little stutter is good for UE5.

Meanwhile in SE slop Rebirth - runs like shit on PS5, full of gamebreaking bugs, ghosting, ridiculously low internal resolution, stamped assets etc.

And shitty textures like this if you dare to turn camera:

[summer folio]

Rebirth looks (other than some occasional shitty lighting) and runs fairly well on PC after a bunch of ini tweaking + Lyall fix + upscaled textures, game badly needed frame generation though

[elder void]

What do you mean? What was wrong before?

[winged dune]

Probably, I can only speak for base PS5, and the game was a massive stepdown from PS4 Pro Remake on all fronts.
I'm not going through that torture again on PC, couldn't bring myself to platinum it after getting stuck due to sidequest softlocking bug on three Gold Saucer chapter replays...

[somber pebble]

Mine never did lol oO

[somber pebble]

Im also always above 60, but it doesnt feel good. It feels omega stuttery/jittery, it doesnt feel like 60-70 at all… I havent tested without Reno but I dont think that would impact this much (though I did see some comments on nexus IIRC).

But yeah, I posted a few vids of youtubers showing the same thing. Running around with all the people standing there before the main event, doesnt feel smooth at all even though framerate isnt going below 60

[somber pebble]

Im not using the skip logo option, but wdym? Are you saying that reno isn’t being applied without doing that?

I did notice it didnt “pop” like with GTA5 with reno for example but thought that’s just how the game looks

[winged dune]

I did try making it empty and read-only, but when i deleted it for game to make a new one and compare it just didn't get created again. No idea whether something changed, probably not.

[old wing]

I too had a consistent crash yesterday, about 20 hours into the game. #1365094340355035167 message (screenshot of the error with trace). Had to remove renodx, will try the new files you just posted. My resolution would be 4096x2160 according to the game menu, though I think it renders correctly at 3840x2160

[somber pebble]

Huh, why didnt you pick the correct res? You should remove that res with CRU

[old wing]

I can't when being in borderless

[unborn locust]

borderless should default to native resolution, thats why the option is greyed out/not interactable when borderless is selected

[old wing]

my resolution is 3840, pretty sure it's just shown wrong in the menu, nothing is stretched or anything

[unborn locust]

yes, because you have borderless set, the resolution option is doing nothing

[old wing]

had no crashes anymore btw with the latest file from @jagged portal , though I'm also further now in the story

[surreal thorn]

then set it to fullscreen, save, change to 3840, save, change to borderless, save
maybe reboot game after for good measure

[somber pebble]

Use CRU

[somber pebble]

I was talking about the beginning, with all the people at the city harbor

[bold minnow]

hmm yea as far as I remember it was very smooth everywhere but I would have to test in the starting zone to verify

at least for me from the moment I started playing I was immediately impressed by how well it runs but then again

I'm on the most powerful build

oblivion is still a nightmare

[dawn juniper]

It worked on first launch with this one it seems. Thanks a lot!

And im running 4k res btw, with DLSS set to "Balanced"

[old wing]

Just checked, the resolution is not showing up in CRU, but I'm certain it's not running in 4096, it's just a quirk with running in borderless on 4k TVs

[somber pebble]

Did you check in the right places? Theres no way that resolution will show up if its not in the EDID which is CRU exposes and edits

[old wing]

don't know cru to well

[ebon python]

Click on the CTA-861, click edit, go to TV resolutions, and delete every 4096 resolution from in there

[eternal python]

Oh, maybe I should do this too

[hollow zinc]

Does this happen to anyone else with the mod

[shrewd galleon]

Still unsure how I should be using renodx with special K? I’ve seen your guides on resetera for mh wilds etc. Is there a best way to do it if I’m using the Special K launcher and not local install?

[formal forum]

i just spent the longest time thinking my game was bugged as one of my characters colours were all messed up in battle
forgot that i had an inverted pictos equipped on them
🤦‍♂️

[somber pebble]

are you using any engine.ini tweaks or mods? And what res is that btw?

[bold minnow]

I am disabling all postprocessing due to crashes with renodx

its 5120 x 1440

so close to 4k pixels

[somber pebble]

hmm I havent played much but it didnt crash for me so far at all. I'm only using the "enhanced lumen" ini mod.

DLSS Quality? (which preset?) You do have a 5090 tho 😄 I'm on a 4090

[bold minnow]

yea dlss quality and preset J I think

[latent pumice]

Save the dxgi.dll file from the mod download into %LOCALAPPDATA%\Programs\Special K\PlugIns\ThirdParty\ReShade and rename it as ReShade64.dll

[errant jackal]

lmao same

[rugged lotus]

use ultra plus

runs bad regardless but its better

[errant jackal]

😦

[merry ermine]

With this game, I had to use a local reshade install like normal, so just dxgi.dll. It did not like being loaded as a plugin.

[jagged portal]

Does this fix it? #1365094340355035167 message

[visual flower]

god this game is so good

[errant jackal]

the latter went longer but still the same crash 😦
1440p dlaa

[warped ginkgo]

if you guys want to try Unreal Engine; both mods should look the same; the only settings you should need to change are B8G8R8A8_UNORM, B8G8R8A8_TYPELESS, and R10G10B10A2_UNORM to output size

• DLAA doesnt work, use dlss quality or below
• In-game cutscenes need clair obscur fix -- or else they're clamped
  -- I've been lazy and didnt implement this fix into the UE addon
• Sliders dont change in real time

(Remember to restart the game after moving the upgrade sliders)

visuaully both mods are solid, but in theory Unreal Engine might have better perf and more stable (since its almost never replacing shaders)

[slow forum]

Sounds like a bother and a downgrade barring the perf difference tho

What about SK compatibility ?

[jagged portal]

Game's DLAA is bugged, it results in weird resolutions

[warped ginkgo]

@errant jackal would you be able to test this for fun; something I built a bit earlier; it has all the defaults for clair setup + custom resource upgrades for stuff like DLAA

(delete or move all other addosn out of the game folder)

if 1440p dlaa is busted, you might have to get out the devkit and take a snapshot and see what the output res is

I cant use the devkit myself to test that issue; because of how nvidia handles the dell monitor + DSC + dlss res

[edgy oriole]

1440p DLAA works perfectly fine

I had to remove RenoDX unfortunately, it crashes randomly in battle and doesn't even give me a crash log 😦
For crashes caused by SK, I get a nice stack dump with symbols and everything, but whatever's going on with RenoDX the game just aborts.

[empty mist]

my renodx just randomly stopped working lmao

[edgy oriole]

                  nvwgf2umx.dll >                                                                                     OpenAdapter12
                  D3D12Core.dll >                                                                                 D3D12GetInterface
                  ReShade64.dll >                                                              D3D12SerializeVersionedRootSignature
 SandFallEos-Win64-Shipping.exe >                                                             FD3D12CommandContext::RHIClearMRTImpl  <            C:\p4ws\Engine\Source\Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private\D3D12Commands.cpp:1865>
 SandFallEos-Win64-Shipping.exe >                                                    FD3D12CommandContext::SetRenderTargetsAndClear  <            C:\p4ws\Engine\Source\Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private\D3D12Commands.cpp:1400>
 SandFallEos-Win64-Shipping.exe >                                                          FD3D12CommandContext::RHIBeginRenderPass  <        C:\p4ws\Engine\Source\Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private\D3D12CommandContext.h:655>
 SandFallEos-Win64-Shipping.exe >  FRHICommand<FRHICommandBeginRenderPass,FRHICommandBeginRenderPassString1630>::ExecuteAndDestruct  <                   C:\p4ws\Engine\Source\Runtime\RHI\Public\RHICommandList.h:1296>
 SandFallEos-Win64-Shipping.exe >                                                                      FRHICommandListBase::Execute  <                C:\p4ws\Engine\Source\Runtime\RHI\Private\RHICommandList.cpp:472>

I don't have debug symbols for the custom version of ReShade this thing needs.

[empty mist]

when i launch the game, SK says Renodx loaded succesfully but when i press home it's non existent wtf

[edgy oriole]

That's because it's loaded too late.

Has to be placed in Profiles\Game\ReShade\AddOns\

[hasty loom]

Begin Render Pass in dx12? That's a first

I have some code to mess with beginrenderpass in vulkan, but it's not committed because I haven't seen a game use it. There's no beginrenderpass hooks in RenoDX outside of DevKit

[empty mist]

well that worked lol, thanks :D

[edgy oriole]

That's Unreal Engine code 🙂
The game ships with debug symbols.
What I don't have are debug symbols for the version of ReShade I was told is required to make this work.

So, best I can surmise is D3D12SerializeVersionedRootSignature

Which is probably inaccurate.

[hasty loom]

My guess is what I mentioned before about root signatures/pipeline layouts that can't be reconstructed

[edgy oriole]

So... purge the game's PSO cache?

[hasty loom]

Nah, #1365094340355035167 message

[slow forum]

Shipped* (they removed them in first or second update)

[hasty loom]

@edgy oriole Basically I rely on Reshade to reconstruct a root signature. It doesn't rebuild right. It crashes. It's a dumb hack to just build less root signatures. Worked in oblivion

But I don't know about beginrenderpass. I'll have to see if I'm missing key functionality

[edgy oriole]

Then I never recieved that update, because the symbols are still valid.

[slow forum]

Maybe I'm missing something about technical names, all I meant was they removed the .pdb files (can check on SteamDB) but I assume they'd still be working with the game

[edgy oriole]

Oh

[warped ginkgo]

I deleted my symbols day 1

[warped ginkgo]

@edgy oriole are you able to check the resolution of an RTV?

4k dlaa outputs rtvs with 3044 x 1712

and outside of renodx; apparently other people started to pick up on DLAA being busted

not stability busted; but like lower quality

you might get a better image forcing dlss quality to 100% res

[edgy oriole]

3440x1440

[warped ginkgo]

weirdge

[edgy oriole]

They probably just have DPI scaling enabled.

[warped ginkgo]

I dont have dpi scaling

one sec

unless by they you mean the game devs?

no mods; just the devkit + game.exe

3044x1712

everything drawn to swapchain will be 3840x2160

but the rtvs will be griefed

causing image quality to get griefed

and then you get half res effects that SHOULD be 1080p

but they're 1522x856

if I enable DLSS Quality, the RTVs are 3840x2160 as expected --

since regardless of dlss level, srv/rtv always seem to be output res for the shaders torwards the end

[edgy oriole]

No, the users.

[warped ginkgo]

I mean this is me testing rn

no dpi scaling, nothing

its been like this since day 1

[edgy oriole]

Probably just a Steam problem then, because neither the Epic nor Microsoft Store versions do that.

[warped ginkgo]

could very well be the case

I'm not arguing

[edgy oriole]

Oh, that only affects 4K resolution.

Easily reproducible.

[warped ginkgo]

that could be the case too

not th efirst UE game I've seen

that has memes when set to 4k

[warped ginkgo]

does that resolution remind you of anything

ultra quality is 77%

that would be 2956x

3041/3840 = 0.7919......

so lets round up to 80%

btw idk how it it is with DLAA but

I've tried preset k, and in "realistic" games

it seems to mess up the volumentrics

and smear

preset E seems to be the way for now

and F for DLAA

[edgy oriole]

Took some work, and now I don't have proper flip, but whatever 😛

[warped ginkgo]

I loose flip/vrr when using sk for w/e reason

with clair obscur + reno (unreal engine)

[edgy oriole]

That's why

[warped ginkgo]

I have mpos

works just fine with game.exe

[edgy oriole]

All working perfectly now

Thoguh I probably won't get more than 20 FPS at 4K DLAA

[warped ginkgo]

I use dlss balanced preset e @ 4k

I tried K, but it smears too much in this game

[edgy oriole]

~35 FPS

[warped ginkgo]

I get a solid 70 fps lock

I dont think 4090 vs 5090 or

14900k vs. whatever you have

makes that big of a difference

[edgy oriole]

Or, it's just the fact that DLAA's actually working for me 🙂

[warped ginkgo]

oh

sure I guess

unironically framegen would've been great here

but idk why they didnt add it

its UE, just add the streamline plugin

[slow forum]

Especially when they ship XeFG's DLL 😅

[warped ginkgo]

yea I noticed that day1 when reading gameoutput.log

wondering why my game refuses to start

[edgy oriole]

Not really playable like this, I can see why they deliberately broke DLAA @ 4K.

[warped ginkgo]

on release night they made it so if you had steam overlay off

the game would just crash

and even now there are memes where

if you launch the game's exe

[zenith prism]

Has anyone tried OptiFG?

[warped ginkgo]

like sandgame/bin/win32/sandgame-win32.exe

it crashes

you can only launch via the steam icon

[slow forum]

Legit build only

The irony...

[warped ginkgo]

I own the game

but until somebody posted on steamforums

"game crashes if steamoverlay is off"

I was trying everything

getting it to work

LMAO

[slow forum]

Didn't say you didn't. I implied high seas builds don't crash 😜

[warped ginkgo]

unironically those where fine

but you still cant launch game.exe

which is a bit annoying because I was working on something earlier

[slow forum]

Yes you can

[warped ginkgo]

and kept launching the game.exe; and it would crash

only the steam link worked

this .exe

atleast on steam will crash

[slow forum]

Ik, hence my comment

[warped ginkgo]

but the steam icon (steam://launch/appid) works

[warped ginkgo]

yea lol

buy the game: grief

pirate it: "it just works"

atleast they fixed it within a few hours

I went to bed a t5am

woke up at like 11am to bio

and it was patched

[zenith prism]

I think 4K DLSS Balanced is the way

My goal is to at least maintain above 60

[warped ginkgo]

E or J/K?

I'm 4k dlss ballanced

K was a bit too smeary

so I went back to E

and E is great so far

[zenith prism]

I was on K gonna try E

[warped ginkgo]

E wont resolve as much detail; but it wont smear

which is way worse imo

[slow forum]

The most frustrating part about vendor specific techs not being implemented is Reflex/XeLL/AL2 (if they had added FSR) since the game is very latency sensitive

[eternal python]

I'm having 0 crashes with Reno (act 1). I assume they will come later?

Cause I've seen a lot of y'all talking about this

[warped ginkgo]

I've also had almost no crashes (I'm using the Unreal Engine mod)

so idk what its from or

if its unstable systems

or the game being griefed

so just enjoy lol

[zenith prism]

This game has crazy auto exposure/eye adaption

[eternal python]

I'm using the Expedition specific one but yeah. As long as it doesn't crash I'll just enjoy hahaha

[warped ginkgo]

if anybody has issues with Ritsu's mod; this is my current dev build of the UE addon

it has all the upgrades pre-applied; the only thing to look out for is sliders dont work in real time; you need to enter/exit combat or load save

visually they should be about the same

it might perform better too; since its only replacing one 32x32x32 lut every like hour

vs. running code in a shader that draws every pixel

[eternal python]

Nice! It would just be a matter of replacing the one from this channel with yours and setting the peak brightness to our TV nits right?

[warped ginkgo]

yes

delete old addon

put that in

change peak nits to display

enjoy

[eternal python]

Awesome, thanks for the file <3<3

[errant jackal]

ritsu mod has been fine since i disbaled dlaa

but sub 1080p rendering on a 5090 lmao

[eternal python]

Sub 1080p? How?

I'm running 4k dlss quality with a 4080

[warped ginkgo]

bugged dlaa

[errant jackal]

1440p display atm

[warped ginkgo]

ohh

[errant jackal]

so DLSS Q is 960p

[eternal python]

Ohhh gotcha

[warped ginkgo]

I'm on dlss balanced E

[errant jackal]

feelsbad

[warped ginkgo]

4k 32inch

thats 1300p or so

I think it looks good

[errant jackal]

You cant override the % scaling Nvidia Inspector can you

[eternal python]

Dlss at 4k looks good always except ultra performance imo, specially with transformer

[errant jackal]

have to use DLSS Tweak

[pearl wagon]

I'm on a 4090 but using a custom DLSS resolution (0.443 or 960P) so that I can maintain 60 => 120fps Lossless Scaling frame gen for everything except cutscenes (toggle off)

yea sure 960P is low but with the transformer model its a nice sweet spot if you want more performance

[warped ginkgo]

you can now I think

but set it to like 95%-99%

I think if you set it to 100%, it triggers "dlaa"

which has the same grief

[balmy bloom]

i don't know for nvidia but for amd optiscaler, i could override the ratio with ue screenpercentage console command

[errant jackal]

says (needs forced quality to custom) and then selecting custom says pre 571 driver only

[compact totem]

Not reno but still modding I guess, anybody got any tips for stutters when using optiscaler for FSR 4 on this game?

[warped ginkgo]

lmao the profile inspecotr already comes with

0.99 "for games that break with dlaa"

[warped ginkgo]

yea its fairly new

with the nv app override stuff

probably 5000 series release drivers

[jagged portal]

V2.1.1

• Minor stability improvement

[warped ginkgo]

what changed

[jagged portal]

Just removed allow_multiple_push_constants

[warped ginkgo]

ah

you might be able to upgrade less forcing render target only

but the game uses uavs that need upgrading

[quaint knot]

do you guys clamp your monitors color gamut to srgb or use native mode using renodx? I guess reno does not extend gamut of the game and its srgb but in HDR?

[eternal python]

I dont change anything personally

But this is my first time using a reno mod so I don't know much about setup

[hasty loom]

All UE games have grading in AP1 which is wider than both bt709 (sRGB) and BT2020. Clamping is going to give you clipped gradients

[merry ermine]

Can also use SK to do it, if you were already using it

[haughty dirge]

i just ended up keeping the logos on - without them, i couldnt get reshade to inject reliably - like whatever part of the game launching process it uses to hook into went by too fast without the startup logos or smthn and reshade would miss its chance to inject 🤷‍♂️

[haughty dirge]

that is the right way to do it - global SK injection by launching thru SKIF, with local reshade+addon install (so literally just what the mod instructions say to do; drop dxgi.dll and the renodx.addon next to the game exe). sometimes using special k's add-on system also works, which is great for convenience, but overall my success rate for getting the two tools to play nice has been highest with local reshade+addon and global SK

[haughty dirge]

no issue with SK compat in this title - use global SK and local reshade install as per the renodx mod's instruction and both work great

[haughty dirge]

im quite a bit further in now and zero crashes (game pass version)

[warped ginkgo]

can you do me a favor

can you go to the gamepass versions bin folder

is the name of the .exe different

steam/epic have SandFall-Win64-Shipping.exe

but I think gamepass/ms store versions of games are like

sandfall-gdk or something

[haughty dirge]

\Xbox\Clair Obscur- Expedition 33\Content\Sandfall\Binaries\WinGDK\SandFall-WinGDK-Shipping.exe

[warped ginkgo]

kek ty

[digital venture]

I have a friend that always get a fatal error crash after 15-30 min ingame ( no mods or reno ) i saw that game crash when steam overlay off for some ? or it's just with reno ?

[warped ginkgo]

the steam overlay crash was only on the launch night version

was patched a few hours later

also it wasnt a "crash"

the game just turned itself off safely

no popup, no 'fatal error'

so if he's getting fatal error with no mods, something else is griefing him

game bug, ue5 bug, unstable system, unstable OC

500 variables with pc gaming

[digital venture]

Yeah i make him tried a lot of thing but still happening lets hope for him there will be an update for that

[somber pebble]

can we just drop it in and replace the old one and it should be good to go?

[visual flower]

yeah

[proven snow]

Using latest snapshot, loading game saves result in fatal error if I use Nvidia app to change DLSS to Latest (DLSS4)

Seems I need to force Nvidia App to use Balanced tier instead of in-game settings.

Only then can I load the save

[surreal thorn]

#1365094340355035167 message

Try that

[proven snow]

That is what I am using yes

[surreal thorn]

Oh no idea then

[winter merlin]

anyone using optiscaler with reno? Does it work?

[winter merlin]

seems to kinda work? it does frame gen but i get weird artifacts on the left side of my screen

that was with dlss fg, fsr sorta works

[limber goblet]

PC gaming is sooo annyoing

you have to spend hours fixing stuff which worked a day ago

Reno and SK stoped working

like nothing was changed

but the ReShade is throwing errors now

[surreal thorn]

at least you can fix stuff
can't fix shit on a console

[limber goblet]

true

haha

still I don't always have time to fix stuff

I just wanted to play for a few hours

but ofc I cant

[visual flower]

very true

but also we have such an amazing opportunity to play with preset K and good fps

and reno

[limber goblet]

ofc reno is game changer

preset K is not really good in this game though

😄

it's working now, not sure why or how

I hooked reshade through SK as a plugin

that stoped working for some reason

using dxgi.dll seems to work if I set SK's HDR to scRGB native

it does not work with SK HDR disabled

it looks really good

[wraith ore]

I think I'm having this issue too, I have reshade setup as a plugin to SK and the Reno menu shows up, but none of the sliders work and it just seems like it's tonemapping to SDR inside an HDR container. Everything worked before I decided to update Special K....

[limber goblet]

I load reshade normally now, and I switched SK’s HDR to scRGB, and it works now

I dont think that I updated SK though

I will test it with the latest nightly build

[wraith ore]

You mean you have the dxgi.dll in the game directory?

[limber goblet]

yes

I still load the fix asi as a SK plugin tho

that one works fine

[wraith ore]

Maybe that's why I'm having issues, that's not a plugin currently. If I may ask, what folder under Special K do you put it in, and do you have to rename it?

[limber goblet]

just delete the dinput8.dll and add the ClairObscureFix.asi through the SK UI

“Add Plug-In” and set it to “Lazy”

and press Load DLL/Plugin

[wraith ore]

aight, that seemed to work. Now to move the dxgi.dll back to the game directory. Also, when you say you switched SK's HDR To scRGB is that under HDR config-> scRGB preset that makes it a raw framebuffer?

and thanks

[limber goblet]

yes just set it to scRGB raw framebuffer

and np

[visual flower]

btw just FYI disabling letterboxing with Lyall's fix kinda removes some of the intentional letterboxing

so it removes some of the intended experience, it's not a huge deal but thought I'd mention it

[fiery orchid]

you don't even need to do that
just drag the ASI next to the exe and change SK's ini AutoLoadASIFiles to true (same effect as adding it through the plugin section but still)

[wraith ore]

annnnd now it crashes lol. Just fuck my shit up.

[wraith ore]

problem solved, just had to delete the sk.ini

[ancient siren]

Don't suppose you have lyall's skip intros on? That can cause problems with SK and Reno missing their chance to inject. If so, disable it and just live with the intros, improves reliability

[limber goblet]

intros are enabled and intro skip is disabled

[limber goblet]

I play the game in 21:9 aspect ratio 😄

I had to lower saturation, 67 with 62 blowout was way too high

62/62 seems to be fine

[bold minnow]

I almost always use 80/80 on unreal engine games