✅RenoDX: Clair Obscur - Expedition 33

[safe jackal]

top post needs a pin and maybe a note about the native res bug

[inner pagoda]

What’s the native res bug?

Like DLAA looking weird or is it a different thing

[jagged portal]

I couldn't replicate it

[clear turtle]

DLAA is lower res than DLSS quality if i remember right, plus other possible bugs

[inner pagoda]

yeah, I set it balanced on 4k

[compact totem]

Had another driver crash it seems, removed the mod for now to see if that might have been the issue

[tiny scaffold]

No.. DLAA is native resolution without downscaling where DLSS Quality is 67% of the resolution and then upscaled to your native resolution

[queen latch]

Hi, does PureDark's Framegen mod work with RenoDX? I tried it, the game loads but the screen is compeltely black, although it does respond to commands

[solar lichen]

Can't see any changes with the presets or sliders with this mod...I installed it to the Win64 folder and turned on vignette too and have DLSS quality...any ideas?

[slate ingot]

not atm unfortanetelly. puredark said he needs to update something on his side but no eta so far.

personally as i needed smoothness in this game first and foremost i chose to play with puredarks mod and sdr->hdr method for now (you can choose from autohdr, rtx hdr or special k). but yeah they obviosuly not as good as native hdr with reno

[clear turtle]

No DLAA in this game is bugged so it's not like that

[clear turtle]

did you replace the .dll?

[solar lichen]

Like the dxgi.dll that the mod comes with over what was already in the Win64 folder? If so yes

Ended up installing regular reshade with add on support then used this mod to replace the dxgi.dll and things work now sorry I thought you didn't have to install reshade with add on and then install this mod my bad!

[safe jackal]

reinstalled Nvidia App to because the profile wouldn't load
Tried the preset K override and the model has the same artifacts as MH Wilds on volumetrics
EDIT: not that many on your face volumentrics as MH Wilds, presset K makes the image very clear even with ingame AA set to Low (4k Balanced)

[median swift]

lastest version of PureDark FG mod just released and works with Ritsus's renodx HDR

[slow forum]

What ReShade build does pd use ?

Afaik, he often (if not always) ships a custom build of his for his mods

[median swift]

not sure, but only his build works with renodx

[grizzled jackal]

does that fix the black and white videos being in color?

[lapis elk]

Nope, it's cause by per-channel correction. Seems like there's a build on the way?

[warped ginkgo]

if anybody is able to replicate

[grizzled jackal]

ah ok

[warped ginkgo]

the black-white cutscene

can you please test if the UE addon has the same issue?

or send me a save file

[grizzled jackal]

the thing is they happen once and not again

and the game only has one savefile

[warped ginkgo]

rip

[grizzled jackal]

atleast in the menu

so you cant go back

[warped ginkgo]

there are backup files

in the folder

if you go to the save folder

ther eis a "backups" folder

with more save files

[grizzled jackal]

do you have the path for that at hand

[lapis elk]

I'll check my save files and see

I just had one of them

Very much spoiler territory. Not sure how far in you are

[grizzled jackal]

yeah for sure spoiler

[warped ginkgo]

Unreal addon: https://clshortfuse.github.io/renodx/renodx-unrealengine.addon64

instructions: enable b8g8r8a8_unorm + b8g8r8a8_typeless +r10g10b10a2_unorm upgrades

notes: settings/sliders dont apply in real time; configure your settings and either load save or enter/exit combat

[warped ginkgo]

1s

%localappdata%\Sandfall\Saved\SaveGames

then you'll have your steam id

[grizzled jackal]

oh in appadat i see

[warped ginkgo]

EXPEDITION_0.sav is your main save

backup has a ton of saves

[lapis elk]

I have save file for the transition between act 1 and 2 which has one of these cutscenes. I can check myself with the UE addon in case you don't wanna be spoiled

[grizzled jackal]

based

since it saves every few mins i dont have one that had a cutscene im pretty sure the last was longer than that ago

[lapis elk]

does game need to be restarted for b8g8r8a8_unorm + b8g8r8a8_typeless +r10g10b10a2_unorm upgrades to take effect?

or is loading save etc enough

[warped ginkgo]

yes

but its something you do once

[lapis elk]

I'll check the cutscene in a bit

game takes ages to load for some reason now

[warped ginkgo]

if its still broken set hue correction 0, saturation correction 0, blowout restoration 0

[lapis elk]

@warped ginkgo alright so this cutscene is slightly different than the others. Some of it is greyscale, other "accents" are not, compared to the other ones that are fully colour. I am not entirely sure if this cutscene in particular is supposed to be like this, but I'm gonna choose to believe that is not the case cause it looks odd

either way, it happens with the UE mod as well

I checked the cutscene on youtube and it looks the same as it does for me. Apparently this one is supposed to be like this. I don't have a cutscene to check then sadly

[warped ginkgo]

thanks for testing

[lapis elk]

no worries. I'll test again if I encounter another one

[warped ginkgo]

what do you mean "supposed to be like this" -- like the UE mod looks right?

or both are griefed

[lapis elk]

I crosschecked the particular cutscene with it on youtube, and it's not broken

[warped ginkgo]

not broken in both mods?

[lapis elk]

it's the same without the mods is what I'm getting at. I just assumed it was another broken cutscene since it looked odd

[lapis elk]

yes this one in particular. I cannot check the earlier ones that were full colour since they are too far back

[warped ginkgo]

ohh ok

[ember solstice]

Hi! So just to make sure. I installed this https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/6 Do I need to install Unreal addon: https://clshortfuse.github.io/renodx/renodx-unrealengine.addon64 as well?

[warped ginkgo]

no

just the clair mod

[ember solstice]

ok. thank you. Btw how do you enable b8g8r8a8_unorm + b8g8r8a8_typeless +r10g10b10a2_unorm upgrades?

[warped ginkgo]

thats only for the UE mod; dont worry about any of that

for the clair mod just drop it in and enjoy

[ember solstice]

i'm asking because I wanted to add HDR to a UE game that doesn't have its own reno mod

[warped ginkgo]

oh move over to #1321685184852135967

so we dont confuse people

[ember solstice]

its called remnant 2 and another one is banishers gosts of new eden

[warped ginkgo]

ohh

remnant 2 works

with UE

[ember solstice]

got it

[steady elm]

Is RenoDX stable for this game or some people have (more) crashes? 😊

(I know at least one person without crashes so good start)

[warped ginkgo]

idk didnt start playing; just added lutbuilders to the unreal engine universal mod

[lapis elk]

I've had exactly zero crashes with renodx on the steam version

Not sure if the people experiencing crashes are using the gamepass version or have a certain gpu etc

[ember solstice]

Is there a way I can make the reno mod work with sk because both use a dxgi file. Can I sideload them somehow or rename one of them to something else?

[warped ginkgo]

I dont know

I just install reshade normally

and just turn the game on normally

no idea about sk compat sorry

[safe jackal]

Only crash I had was before using reno while using Special K and scRGB. Getting into a battle would crash the game

[ember solstice]

so using it without sk is better for now then?

[warped ginkgo]

unless the mod requires SK for a specific reason, using it without SK will probably always be the best way to play

SK may or maynot play well with reshade/reno -- and if you want to playtest thats up to you

like for some reason you loose a chunk of fps when using renodx + SK in berserker the first khazan

[safe jackal]

sk was cashing so I stopped using SK and lowered the game's gamma to 0.9, then played on SDR for a few hours (using only the 60fps cutscene asi patch)
I started using reno today, as it is on the nexus zip and had no problems.

[ornate pilot]

If you are using SK, you need to use 25.4.24 version or newer.

this mod work fine for me with SK

[safe jackal]

If anyone wants to try SK hdr, try using hdr10. The discord nightly release has fixes for this game.

[ember solstice]

thats not surprising. I usually do a local install instead of using skif because I get some weird issue every now and then but thanks for that insight. I think I'll avoid using them together

[haughty dirge]

fwiw in the vast majority of games (that ive tried at least), SK and Reno work fine together if you use global SK thru SKIF and local reshade+reno, ie literally just following the instructions for dropping the two files in this Reno mod into the right place

im currently using reno and SK together with gamepass clair obscur with no issues

the compatibility issues tend to come up when you try to double up on the local install (ie both SK and reshade local) or use reno thru SK's otherwise awesome global add-on system

afaik the only game where i could never get SK and Reno to work together at all so far is Avowed, but that issue is bigger than any incompatibility between the tools as renodx on its own causes avowed to crash 100% of the time for quite a few peeps (myself included)

[west smelt]

I have had zero crashes on the gamepass version. lol.

I'm using SK (Global) + Lyall's fix (SK ASI Plugin) + Reno (in game folder, not via SK). Works smoothly.

It only crashes when I close the game. lol. As in, on quit game, there is SK's crash sound (from metal gear solid).

[royal plover]

which version are you using?

i just downloaded the latest one on nexus and it crashes on launch

[west smelt]

1.5, latest

[royal plover]

[west smelt]

Actually, let me come back. I downloaded 1.5 but started playing MHW. My last COE33 session was last night with version 1.3.

[royal plover]

ah thanks

[haughty dirge]

exact same setup for me - zero issues except the (irrelevant i guess) crash on quit

[west smelt]

Launched with 1.5. No CTDs. I'm in game.

[neon spire]

let me try using SK, might cap FPS see if that reduces stutter

[royal plover]

[pearl wagon]

mine is injecting in the game (global) but i can't get the menu to appear. i see the special k cursor when i hover over where it ought to be

[west smelt]

I had that when I tried global injection. SK overlay wont appear.
So I just do in-game folder dxgi (local install, not via SK) now. Then within SK, under HDR setup, change tonemap to Raw buffer.

[neon spire]

no vrr?

[west smelt]

No.

[neon spire]

don't you get a lot of tearing?

[west smelt]

None at all.

[pearl wagon]

cool. i don't really need special k tho if i'm just using the steam version right.

renodx and transformer model working fine

[neon spire]

do you disable it for latency reasons?

[west smelt]

Dont think you need SK for either versions. Its a personal choice. I use SK for DLSS upgrade and Latent Sync.

[west smelt]

Not really. I just feel windows 11 and vrr was causing issues in general wth my monitor.

Its a 240 Hz monitor. I run most games at ~100 fps. So dont really see the benefit of VRR.

[naive holly]

Anybody tried smooth motion on RTX 50 series? Its flickery on me

[winged dune]

SK global, Lyall fix as ASI plugin and Reshade both loaded as SK plugins from its folders, and RenoDX - no issues whatsoever. But switched to SK HDR when talk of lost greyscale started, still waiting for another greyscale cutscene to go back to Reno and confirm its working.

[west smelt]

I saw that. I had a greyscale cutscene yesterday and it was in greyscale. This is with Reno.

[royal plover]

ok so i used nvidia app to set a dlss resolution and somehow that fixed the crash

[royal plover]

oh maybe it's DLAA issue

[acoustic elbow]

I suggest setting Blowout to at least 10 (Blowout 0 vs Blowout 10):

Its very noticeable in fire. I will look for other scenarios to test if 10 is enough

[neon spire]

any other suggestions?

[acoustic elbow]

No, not yet. Other default values are looking fine

[winged dune]

Ok, i just got to that cutscene, and yeah, its colored with RenoDX, but greyscale with SK HDR.

Was so creepy that i figured that was the one, and yeah, it is.

[elder void]

Oh my... Some people not crashing at all, others with constant CTD. Some people seeing the grayscale other full color. What's going on?! Hahaha.

[steady elm]

And greyscale is correct?

[winged dune]

Yeah, should be.

[steady elm]

In that case I’d imagine that RenoDX accidentally killed the grey scale shader

[elder void]

To be fair, my game only crashes if I bring up the ResShade UI or the HDR analysis overlay.

[winged dune]

Disabled SK injection and put dxgi and reno dlls as is next to game just to be sure its not some SK issue, still no greysccale. Deleted without returning SK injection, so pretty much clean install - greyscale.

[gaunt hearth]

do you guys know if RenoX/reshade works with DLSS Enabler (https://www.nexusmods.com/site/mods/757) ? I'm using it to have FSR 3, noticed that TSR has a lot of shimmering in the distance and XeSS completely destroys the hair

[pure tapir]

Hey hey, I am about to buy the game and have not been following progress closely. The current state is no DLAA, no black and white shader for cutscene(s), and vignette & film grain have to be enabled and disabled together?

other than that, it's install and good to go?

[grizzled jackal]

that sounds correct

[buoyant falcon]

wtf

another copy paste of optiscaler

https://github.com/cdozdil/OptiScaler

[naive holly]

OH YEA

[worn bolt]

Does fg make parrying more difficult?

[bold minnow]

not in my experience

at least as long as base framerate is high enough

[worn bolt]

60+ as base enough?

[bold minnow]

at least I have no issues with it

yea definitely

if you really struggle with parry timing there is actually a mod already lol

https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/28

[worn bolt]

Nah I love a challenge, but I do want low latency. Which fg mod works?

[slow forum]

Thanks modders ❤️

[bold minnow]

I'm using puredarks mod

works flawlessly so far

even with reno now as long as you use his reshade dll

[slow forum]

With SK as well loading the whole ?

[worn bolt]

Ah damn puredark is paid

[slow forum]

Or not 😜

[bold minnow]

haven't tried SK

[visual flower]

game looks so gorgeous in HDR 🙏

[steady kayak]

yep I agree big thanks to all the modders for being so fast on this one

[compact totem]

Happened again just now without Reshade and the addon

only other thing I have installed is the Lyall fix, so it's either related to that or just game/driver issue I assume?

[gaunt hearth]

I don't think so. even on the optiscaler page there is a section dedicated for dlss enabler

[visual flower]

btw there are sometimes these bright white particles floating around

are they caused by reno or it's in base game as well as an aesthetic thing?

happens even indoors

[haughty dirge]

good question - i hadnt actually thought about Reno, I was wondering whether it was due to transformer model DLSS (not really/maybe ish. the particles look different using model E - slightly bigger and more defined - whereas with K in some scenes they are so tiny i get the sense DLSS thinks they're noise that needs to be minimised). but im probs exaggerating the effect, they are present either way. guess ill report back if reno affects them, i have a feeling im about to get to the "greyscale cutscene" bit so will switch from reno to SK HDR for now anyway

also, jfc, on the one hand i wish id known anything about this game beyond it reviewed well and was "free" on game pass bc not sure i would have started it - ive literally teared up less than a handful of times in my life and was practically sobbing after the opening hours lmao

tho on the flipside that makes me kinda glad i didnt know anything about it going in bc its been a v long time since a game has hit me with that kinda emotional wallop - and the gameplay is shockingly fun for someone who usually hates turn based combat - im into it

[wild bone]

I've just installed Optiscaler to get framegen working on my 3080ti https://github.com/cdozdil/OptiScaler/releases

Framegen works absolutely fine when I disable RenoDX. But using both together -they both work, but the game is a stutter fest. Any ideas? I'd like framegen and the HDR, at the moment I can only have one or the other :/ thx

[jagged portal]

V1.6.0

• Adjust tonemapping
• Fix b&w scenes

[visual flower]

I feel you, the game has been non stop rollercoaster of all kinds of fun

feels like I'm gaming for the first time in years

[wild bone]

Anyone interested in this, I disabled FG Hud Fix in the Optiscaler menu and this seemed to fix the stuttering, now RenoDX and Optiscaler are working together fine so far.

There are occasional HUGE stutters though, not sure why that is.

[worn bolt]

verified it works 😄 just got another greyscale cutscene and it works now, thanks!

[hollow zinc]

does anyone else get some type of visual artifacts in the menus or is my gpu dying?...

[still hatch]

hi, do you think it can work with this mod? https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/36

[slow forum]

Apparently modder downsampled them back to og res & kept the same format so it should be ok for both RenoDX & Lyall's fix

[neon spire]

Oh I will download that. The banding and extreme artifacting in the cutscenes was driving me crazy

[slow forum]

Thanks for linking it btw 😊

[elder void]

If someone could share that mod to a faster to download place... :)) haha.

[old wing]

I'm not one of the modders, but I don't see why not, it only replaces the video files containing the cutscenes

[lime karma]

Hi all, so are we actually supposed to have Windows HDR set to 'on' for this? Because with Windows HDR set to 'off' this game looks gorgeous, colours are popping, and I still hit my monitor's peak brightness. Liliums HDR Analysis shows that a source HDR10 colourspace is detected (??) If I set Windows HDR to 'on' the colours don't look so good, and I'm pretty sure I'm not hitting peak brightness, even if the HDR tool reads that I am.

[surreal thorn]

yes... you need HDR on to use HDR

that just means your display is crap at HDR

[grim hinge]

You might have extremely cursed SDR settings

[lime karma]

I am aware, and no it isn't 🙂

[grim hinge]

Lots of monitors oversaturate in sdr

[surreal thorn]

make and model

also resist urge to think brighter = better cause that's what monke brain want

[lime karma]

it's just jarring that it looks so much better in SDR after going through so much trouble with RenoDX

[grim hinge]

The default settings in renodx are supposed to accurately display how the game would look on a 2.2 gamma display at 203 nits diffuse white but also with hdr highlights

[hasty loom]

RenoDX default is accurate SDR appearance, but uncapped

[grim hinge]

There are sliders to adjust to your liking in renodx but your frame of reference might be a monitor that deep fries in sdr

[hasty loom]

Take a screenshot in SDR, change to HDR. If it looks different your calibration is broken

(other than 2.2/srgb)

[lime karma]

LG 45GS

[grim hinge]

I would just tune the sliders to your liking

[hasty loom]

Wtf is "wide gamut with srgb mode"

Sounds extremely cursed and broken

[grim hinge]

Doesn’t every monitor have some bullshit like that

I never turn off hdr

[hasty loom]

I was looking for srgb mode because that should match Windows HDR 1:1

[grim hinge]

SRGB mode on most monitors targets 2.2 I think and is just a gamut clamp

[hasty loom]

sRGB mode should be srgb, not 2.2 but it's never default

It looks more washed out so people would complain

[lime karma]

Ok, so maybe I'm used to a greater saturation in games even with HDR on, which makes my monitor's SDR representation of E33 (albeit wrong/cooked/oversaturated) more attractive.

So why would the HDR tool be detecting HDR if I have it turned off?

[lime karma]

Yeah, oddly put. Probably just means >99 SRGB coverage on one of the monitor profiles (i.e. srgb mode)

[sterile monolith]

Excited to get home and play this finally

[compact totem]

Have fun!

[empty mist]

i do have to admit the music is great in this game

[digital venture]

Everything is great, it's goty level

[steady elm]

Split Fiction will be GOTY tho 🤣

[grizzled jackal]

Thank you so much

❤️

[plush sundial]

I have the same error

[charred horizon]

Tried this, but just crashes the game right away. Steam version.

[pure tapir]

using DLAA? that crashes the game still

[balmy bloom]

when i use dlaa, it doesn't render at native resolution

but at 1711p instead of 2160p (checked on optiscaler)

[grizzled pulsar]

try using DLSS Quality if you can. That fixed it for me.

[plush sundial]

Game wont even boot

[grizzled pulsar]

delete renodx mod file, launch the game, change in options to dlss quality, paste the mod file and try again

[plush sundial]

Thanks will try

[empty mist]

has anyone tried the "Force DLAA" button in SK in this game with RenoDX? would that work?

[charred horizon]

yup that was it, thanks. Thought I saw somewhere saying DLAA would work, but must’ve confused it with another thing.

[proven snow]

Hmm somehow my game is crashing now after loading save, but I was playing just fine a few hours ago

Took out the RenoDX addon file from the folder, launched the save again, quit to desktop, returned the RenoDX addon file back to the game folder, now the save works again. Bruh

[frigid cove]

anyone else experiencing the resolution on 4k being locked to this when in borderless windowed mode?

[slow forum]

😅 they went for the true 4K

[frigid cove]

yeah this may perhaps be a tv thing rather than the game

[pure tapir]

is it actually rendering at that resolution or does the game just default to showing the max reported res by the display?

[grizzled jackal]

this an LG OLED?

i would recommend deleting the DCI 4k resolutions in CRU

[clear turtle]

it's fine it appears to do proper native regardless

[grizzled jackal]

nvm then

but deleting them is recommend still :P

[frigid cove]

But performance will be heavier than 3840 x 2160, wouldn’t it?

[frigid cove]

It is, yes

[clear turtle]

it should still be 3840x2160 even if it says otherwise.

[frigid cove]

Oh really? Thats interesting

[clear turtle]

I think it's just doing full screen and only displaying whatever the max resolution is

[grizzled jackal]

Open vrr menu and see the res it shows

Green button on remote 7 times

[clear turtle]

if it's doing the other resolution things will look a bit oval

[limber goblet]

is it normal that only the UI Brighness slider work?

lol

I tried everything

[warped ginkgo]

@hasty loom

all qd oleds go into p3 range when in sdr mode

(outside of rec709)

if you want a rec709 clamp; you have to apply one manually

windows offers their own now too I guess

[limber goblet]

or well how do I pasue/upause this game?

[hasty loom]

Sounds horrible

[warped ginkgo]

I just dont use sdr mode

so its fine

sdr in hdr is way more accurate than sdr mode itself

[hasty loom]

Problem is people think SDR is the accurate one and HDR is desaturated

[warped ginkgo]

especially when sdr has names like "Creator mode"

imo 2 things are responsible for hdr having a bad wrap

1. shitty 400 nit lcds that arnt even capable of outputting hdr; but still get a hdr on/off slider because of marketting
   -- lots of people's first HDR experiance is with one of those, because they got it and saw HDR is supported, saw everything looks like shit; and never used it agin

2. sRGB -- the gamma missmatch in video games, the srgb encoding windows does -- nobody likes sRGB

[limber goblet]

@jagged portal How can I pause/unpause the game to apply the renodx changes? Nothing seems to work 😦

[warped ginkgo]

pause unpause doesnt work

in clair obscur

[limber goblet]

I have to restart the game?

[empty mist]

someone said reload save

[warped ginkgo]

you have to either:

1. load save
2. exit to menu, continue
3. enter/exit combat

[limber goblet]

oh okay thanks

[warped ginkgo]

thats only for the Unreal Engine mod; ritsus mod should apply sliders on the fly

[buoyant falcon]

work you need to access to the equipment menu not the pause menu

[warped ginkgo]

ohh good to know; I didnt get that far

[buoyant falcon]

ritsus mod has real time sliders

[limber goblet]

hmm still nothing changes, I guess its not working at all for some reason

[buoyant falcon]

are you playing the gamepass version

[limber goblet]

no

[buoyant falcon]

no ideal then

ritsu's mod works perfectly for me

[limber goblet]

tone mapping settings seem to work, mostly

except game brightness

do I need to enable UE HDR?

[frigid cove]

Is there a difference between ritsus mod and the one jdsp made a video about?

[warped ginkgo]

real time sliders

thats about it

on paper the only difference between the Unreal Engine universal mod and the mod ritsu made should be just the sliders

visually they should be about the same

[buoyant falcon]

no

[limber goblet]

no idea then

[frigid cove]

The sliders dont do anything on the main menu too? For the peak brightness?

[buoyant falcon]

are you using the included dxgi

[limber goblet]

yup

omg

I found the issue😅

I was using the oblivion addon... sorry lol

[finite nexus]

Hello guys, how can I use the reno mod and optiscaler at the same time? I tried what wiki says but it crashes all the time (Gamepass version). When I use only reno mod it works flawless

[limber goblet]

The game looks really good with reno, but the sun need more bloom

[haughty dirge]

That's a great way to describe it actually. Not entirely the same emotion but it reminds me of playing Mass Effect for the first time in the way it grabbed me beyond "the gameplay is fun." It's like a reminder of how new this art form still is and how few of its products actually attempt to make the most of the medium

[late ridge]

the most impressive part of the game tbh is how little space it takes up lmao
42gb is insane

[lost egret]

Having some weird bug where the renodx mod adds weird flicker and some dark lines across my screen, never seen anything like it before

actually it seems rtx hdr and smooth motion enabled itself at some point without any indication in the settings and only after i rebooted it was showing as "on", so my bad

[hasty loom]

@jagged portal fyi, the grayscale is because of the position of setuntonemapped. Doing it before the linear color grading means applying correction will delta between pure render

[zenith prism]

Has anyone got smooth motion to work? I'm getting black lines

[naive holly]

its flickery on mine. I ended up using puredark's mod

[neon spire]

Anyone else with nvidia having stutters during cutscenes with renodx?

[compact canyon]

Me too. Severe stutters in cut scenes with renodx.

Especially bad in second cutscene in the game. Drops to ~15 fps at the start of cutscene

I have isolated the problem to "tonemaper" in the reshade settings

with "vanilla" stutters are gone

obviously advantages of proper HDR are gone too 😦

[trim anchor]

weird

[compact canyon]

The strange thing that these stutters feel like assets loading or shader compilation issues. If I don't run the game without the mod first I probably had blamed UE

[neon spire]

Yeah I felt that way too

[compact canyon]

But nope, first cutscene on vanilla plays perfectly

[neon spire]

Was trying to delete shader cache somehow too

[compact canyon]

perfectly = 30 fps 🙂

I seldom play on PC. We suppose to have "enable HDR" on windows setting turned on?

Because otherwise I didn't have HDR popup on TV even with mod installed.

[trim anchor]

yes

[compact canyon]

Thanks. That was the only option I wasn't sure about. It leaves renodx as the only possible cause of stuttering

The worst thing that the game doesn't have load game menu (or I am stupid)

[formal forum]

Has anyone tried this
https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/42?tab=description

[compact canyon]

so I have to restart the game to check cutscene again 😦

[trim anchor]

didn't the pcgw say its only using soft lumen

I suppose it supports it in the final build

they just never exposed the option

assuming that mod is real

[formal forum]

I'll test it now

[formal forum]

with and without rt/rr mod

looks to be doing something with light on the rocks and grass

but is it enough to justify 20% fps loss, hmmm

[grizzled jackal]

nah

atleast not based on that example nor the images on the nexus page imo

[formal forum]

here is another with/without
i'm hard pressed to tell the difference

easy pass for me

[ornate pilot]

From the screenshoot on nexus pages, the reflection looks really nice with mod.

[grizzled jackal]

yeah they might have built the prebaked lighting from the RT or sumn

[ornate pilot]

https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/7635/images/42/42-1745799780-505489329.png
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/7635/images/42/42-1745799835-937751438.png

[grizzled jackal]

since there isnt really any time of day change in the areas

[grizzled jackal]

yeah but like

this shit isnt worth 20% fps

lmao

more than happy with the default the game has to offer

[ornate pilot]

Maybe check the cvar from that mod, and only using the reflection one

I'm not at home atm

[grizzled jackal]

that might be an idea yeah

[formal forum]

normally i'm all over stuff like this but areas like the screen shot are rare from the 20 hours i've played

[grizzled jackal]

yeah

and the lighting that it has by default is seriously good

[ornate pilot]

The reflection will shine when you are at the mansion area (when you first meet maelle), this area looks really bad with vanilla reflection

[formal forum]

that's true but you only spend 2 minutes there every couple of hours and really not worth the hit everywhere else

[pearl wagon]

is just using the ray reconstruction worth it. potential performance benefit?

[formal forum]

RR always takes performance from me tbh

CP2077 being the exception

[pearl wagon]

oh i see. cp2077 is also my only real use of it

[formal forum]

might be worth trying just the RR variables though, I have to take the kids to school now so won't be able to try myself for a few hours to report

[bold minnow]

RR is usually not worth it in my opinion unless the game uses full RT/path tracing

or the game has exceptionally noisy reflections

using RR in PT titles will have the benefit of replacing cost intensive denoisers while looking better so it's basically a win win

in games where you have some RT reflections only, RR is a bit overkill for the performance it costs imo

I don't think this game needs it really

[elder void]

Reflections in here seem like a big upgrade. It'd be great to see what's at work. The mod page says it can have some visual glitches though.

Although is a .pak, I have no idea checking how those work.

[bold minnow]

just turn on hardware lumen and remove some of the denoisers

reflections will look good

[ornate pilot]

I will check it when I'm at home.

I too want to try to upgrade the reflection only

[bold minnow]

it's not a .pak actually

it's just a engine.ini + the DLLs needed for RR to work

[elder void]

Wow true.

[lime karma]

You have to rename the reshade dll to Reshade64.dll and then enable the reshade plugin in the optiscaler.ini config file. Make sure the optiscaler dll is renamed to dxgi.dll

[haughty dirge]

yeah pretty willing to try it based on that alone, its not a huge issue in the naturalistic environments but the mansion/house for example the reflective marble or wtv the floor material is looks genuinely awful

[elder void]

Checked the .ini, lots of stuff in there. Haha. I'd say the guy really knows what he's doing.

[pseudo mist]

I got to use optiscaler with this game probs 😭 cos no fsr

[bold minnow]

I tried them, if you have a beefy PC I'd say they are worth it haha

hair, fog and reflections are much clearer

it improves the image quality in general

[empty mist]

i tried this out and i went from approx 125-130 FPS to about 88-90 FPS in the same spot. I tried the Ultra preset. question is, is it really worth that much performace for slight visual upgrade?

[grizzled pulsar]

@jagged portal maybe it's worth adding a prerequisite on the nexus page and/or in the main message on discord (with the mod file) stating that it's required to use upscaling like DLSS for this mod to work? I see a lot of posts on Nexus where people have similar error messages like I had. Or at least it could be added to the FAQ?

unless it's not always required and the mod can work with DLAA/native resolution on some configurations, but I'd still say it's worth adding a warning for people who might encounter this

[jagged portal]

@surreal hound I don't see any errors in the log, maybe try removing other mods/reshade effects

V1.7.0

• Adjust B&W fix

[neon spire]

Does this help with cutscene stutter?

[clear turtle]

ooo

[clear turtle]

i'm pretty sure characters are SSR in this game

[ornate pilot]

RR is expensive for my GPU (3080ti) 😦
I'm using only reflection tweak and enable RR

[nocturne cypress]

whatever hair fixes he did here. fixed almost all the occlusion artifacts

pretty good tbh since those really took away from the cutscenes

[neon spire]

did you try the hair fix only does it work without all the RT stuff?

[winged dune]

Here we go again.

Ultra preset of that RR mod with DLSS Performance seems manageable in 4K. Did anyone try to compare High etc?

[silver perch]

Does it work well? Any issues with it?

[neon spire]

only tried ultra, but had some artifacting and reverted

[tacit knoll]

The hair fix I think is just engine.ini fixes (and labelled well) - I just ported those in, and seemed to work fine.

[neon spire]

good to know, still holding out on playing the game for a bit. Unplayable without renodx but I get massive stutters in cutscenes with it. Not Idea what to do.

[empty mist]

and it 100% doesn’t happen without the mod? i haven’t had any issues like that with Reno

[winged dune]

I wanna try manor before reverting RR or trying with just hair, wonder if it's still a ghostfest.

Yeah, it still is. Looks alot better though. Oh well, default lightning is good and going lumen not worth it, and reflective surfaces are very few and far between.

[inner pagoda]

Thanks! What needed fixing from the last one? 1.6.0 working great on my end so far

[lapis elk]

Wait is it reno that's causing those cutscene stutters? I'm also having them. Thought it was GPU memory getting full or something

[visual flower]

I think they discussed some technicalities of how shaders are applied so I assume they changed that so it's as close to default as possible

without too many minor changes

[inner pagoda]

Thanks, will update to this then!

[naive holly]

Works well for me. No issues so far

[neon spire]

it's reno for me

[neon spire]

try without

[nocturne cypress]

i have everything enabled, it makes the image look cleaner overall, so im not sure if its just the hair fixes

[neon spire]

high or ultra?

[elder void]

I tried ultra as well and the reflections look sharper, but the base is so bad that brings all the artifacts up and make them look like triangles... Although... How did you reverted?

[neon spire]

deleted engine.ini file

[frigid cove]

anyone having an issue where the sprint button on a controller (pc) will all of a sudden stop working? it just appears to not register properly
not that i mind walking around in this game lol but its annoying that RT button does not work consistently for running

[steel hornet]

tbh these devs really baked the lighting well, really no need for RT mods

[elder void]

What about the other files you change? I'm using PireDark's FG so I replaced back those with PD's mod and deleted RR dll just in case.

[visual flower]

didn't have that but sprint requires your stick to be fully angled it seems so maybe that's something related to dead angles or just how you use your stick

[neon spire]

Didn't remove them but I am not using any other mod.

[solemn gazelle]

is it normal that moving the sliders has literally no effect?

[jagged portal]

Means the mod isn't working

Other mods might mess up with it

[solemn gazelle]

i have nothing else tho

except reshade actually

could that be the reason?

[tribal agate]

Nah pretty much works out of the box

But make sure if you enable Film grain to also enable vignette or disable both

Otherwise it won’t work

[thin pike]

Probably not using the supplied dll, using Reshades.

That's what happens with Reno when I forget and just try to use the addon file in other games.

[solemn gazelle]

i followed the install intructions

basically compied the two files into the game main folder

but the this is that i had reshade installed before doing this step, that what i meant by asking if its the reshade thats the cause

[thin pike]

Reno requires Reshade, I would just try to copy the dxgi.dll again and make sure it overwrites.

[steel hornet]

currently running optiscaler + reno, works like a charm

[solemn gazelle]

just did all over from scratch, i feel like its working, its just that the sliders dont make a dif

[steel hornet]

test skiv

nice it works

[steady elm]

TIL: Suicide Bomber is a valid strat in Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 👌

[haughty dirge]

fwiw i tried it out and its definitely worth it imho - im sure it will differ based on people's FPS preferences and hardware/level of performance hit. for me it dragged the 1% lows from about 80 to 60, and avg FPS from like mid 90s to 80ish. but the qualitative visual difference for reflections and character hair in particular make it easily worth it for me - given im not hitting close to my screen's 120hz anyway, locking to 60 fps instead of 80 for that consistent smoothness and latency feel is totes worth it

[neon spire]

are you using ultra version?

[haughty dirge]

i only tried the "ultra" version of the RT mod, so no idea what it scales like if using high or medium instead

[haughty dirge]

yeah i really appreciate the improved reflections but the impact on the hair rendering is probs what most makes it worth it to me - i found the visual artefacts rly bothersome before, which i know is gonna be a subjective issue so yah the perf hit might not be worth it for everyone but defs is for me

[haughty dirge]

agree - thats how im running it (performance DLSS on preset k) - i did not compare ultra to any of the other variations to see what the performance and visual deltas are like

[neon spire]

will try high as soon as I figure out how to not get stutters in cutscenes

[copper orbit]

i'm having cutscene stutters as well. is that shader compilation related? really would like to keep the HDR.

[neon spire]

for me it just happens with renodx on

I tried deleting shader cache but not sure if I deleted the right thing

[copper orbit]

yeah, it started after i installed RenoDX

[woeful cradle]

newest update issue: there is a box around subtitles in cutscenes now. Tried posting a photo but the picture was all fucked up for some reason

[neon spire]

there has always been a transparent blurred box around subs

[haughty dirge]

fwiw regarding the cutscene stutters - have not directly compared if they are worse with Reno but in saying that have no reason to doubt you guys - but i have noticed that cutscenes in general are FAR heavier than the gameplay sections, to the point that theres a major and noticeable performance drop even when playing the vanilla game without anything else

so i assume that would make any stutter - whether preexisting or introduced by reno - more noticeable as well

[neon spire]

they are definitely heavier I lose fps even without reno, but I checked with SK and I get 1% lows of 10fps with reno on and massive stutters. Will try recording next time I get to a cutscene

[elder void]

Are you using any mod to have them unlocked beyond 30 FPS?

[neon spire]

I tried removing Lyall still had stutter, will try again later

[nocturne cypress]

Same, altho i recommend trying preset J, it has MUCH less ghosting on volumetrics, and looks about the same on everything else.

[haughty dirge]

🙏 Ty mate, will try that 👍

[wild bone]

I can get the two mods working togehter like this, however enabling the 'FG HUD Fix' option in Optiscaler, to fix UI ghosting, halves the framerate. Turning that off, and the frame gen works with Reno.

Uninstalling Reno, and the Framegen with the HUD Fix also works fine.

But can't get them all working together. Anyone found a solution to this? Thx.

[lime karma]

I stuck with reno sans the hud fix, as hud distortion in this game isn't too distracting. Turn on async in opti if you havent, nets you a few more frames

[wild bone]

Thanks. I'm kind of a perfectionist with this stuff especially with games that I really want to get the most out of like this one.

I've held off playing until the first patch, maybe it's patched with native HDR or something, then I can get opti working fully.

[fiery orchid]

i'd rather have them patch in FG so we can use renodx without opti/puredark

[wild bone]

true, although I'm on a 3080ti so generally have to patch in FG anyway unless they include FSR

[gaunt hearth]

Having an older GPU (6900 XT) I'm using my AMD adrenaline driver frame gen toggle. In some games it's completely broken but was surprised that it works well enough here TBH

so basically my setup in this game is ATM: DLSS Enabler for adding FSR to the game, RenoDX for HDR and the Adrenaline Frame gen to get framegen. Wonky but it works

[wild bone]

Adrenaline is exclusive to AMD cards right? For me on a 3080 I need Optiscaler I think

[gaunt hearth]

yeah, adrenaline is like the NVidia App (I think that's how it's called now?)

[visual flower]

someone mentioned reducing shading from epic to normal fixed the stutter issues when moving camera, maybe this can help you guys fix it for cutscenes too?

I did not experience it myself yet at all so idk what exactly it looks like

and I'm using reno, lyall, cutscene mod and another mod for optimisation from nexus

[haughty dirge]

yeah ill have to pay more attention during the cutscenes to see what its like on my end - turning down shading by one (iirc mine's on high rather than epic now) reduced stutter during gameplay quite a bit and as is the case with a lot of UE5 settings ive not really noticed a visual difference between either setting

[true sage]

https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/42?tab=description

anyone got really bad ghosting/artifacts with this mod? fast camera rotation makes it the hair look horrible for example

using renodx & puredark

[surreal thorn]

thats probably framegen not the mod

[dry sundial]

What settings are u guys using woth reno?

[buoyant falcon]

completely personal preference

[visual flower]

I'm just using default as it looks very good already, some scenes seem a bit overly foggy but I'm honestly scared of tweaking settings to kinda lose the artistic intent/colors/shadows/highlights or any other details

my friend uses highlight at 80 but I think it changes the color scheme quite a lot

[true sage]

nah works perfect without the mod, frame gen everything looks normal

[surreal thorn]

Shrug

You’re asking about problems that aren’t likely to be related to Reno so who knows

[dry sundial]

Is there anyway to preset j or k when using RR?

It defaults to d when enabled

[empty mist]

when i was testing that mod, i just used SK to force preset J/K

[dry sundial]

Does it work well with the FG mod, the RT / RR mod, and reno?

[empty mist]

if it actually does that is another question, SK reported the correct Preset, i wasnt using the Nvidia thing to show

no clue i don't need FG so i dont use it

but Reno + RT/RR worked for me just fine

[dry sundial]

Yeah The FG mod allows you to force k or j but when using RR dlss indicators says it's stuck on D

[empty mist]

try it for yourself, maybe you can get it to work :D

i decided to not use FG in this game as i already get 120+ frames on almost all epic settings

without the RT mod ofcoure, with it i had like 70-90 depending on area and in terms of looks i didn't see a big difference except reflections, so its def not worth for me

[compact totem]

I put contrast and sat up a tiny bit

[dry sundial]

This game seems to have shitload of texture pop ins when running

[gaunt hearth]

create an engine.ini file to put into AppData\Local\Sandfall\Saved\Config\Windows and put this into the files
[SystemSettings]
r.DFDistanceScale=2
r.ViewDistanceScale=2
foliage.LODDistanceScale=2

you'll lose like 4 or 5 fps but the popin is almost gone while running around the areas

worthy tradeoff IMO

[jagged portal]

V2.0.0

• DLAA fix

Can anyone that had crashes with DLAA test and lemme know if it works? @errant jackal

[neon spire]

I have it on high, will try medium

[errant jackal]

Won't be able to test today so it's on someone else, only takes 3 seconds to try

[steel niche]

I had tested it and it works!!

[neon spire]

so did some testing and what I found is:

• stutter is there but less perceivable without reno
• stutter is much worse with reno
• unlocked fps makes it more noticeable as fps drops considerably when the camera cuts
• some cutscenes stutter worse than others

1% and 0.1% lows get pretty much halved in that simple cutscene just by having renodx

[quaint knot]

this looks really bad. I have reno but game is really smooth

[visual flower]

same, maybe that's related to your gpu driver/installation of the game and mods

the game worked perfectly for me so far with reno

speaking of, Ritsu, I hope you had time to enjoy the game too besides just working on the renodx

🙏

it's been such a pleasure

[hasty loom]

stutter should mostly be CPU related, i don't think the mod has that many resource upgrades.

[neon spire]

time to DDU I guess

[visual flower]

try it out, 99% of my issues went away after ddu

in most games

I never used ddu before but now I'm an embassador of that shit

[neon spire]

CPU utilization is so low and I have a 9800x3D I even undid my undervolt because I thought it might be the issue

[neon spire]

which driver version are you running?

[visual flower]

572.83

I'm on 4070 ti super and 7800x3d

[hasty loom]

stutter from shader replacement shouldn't be a thing in renodx. but stuff related to resources can be

[visual flower]

yea that reminds me, the game has no shader compilation right?

seems almost absurd it doesn't stutter like crazy

in ue5

[neon spire]

it compiles at the start really fast

[visual flower]

btw I'm also using that mod https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/4?tab=files

if you have not tried it maybe it could help too?

[quaint knot]

I have 576.02, and you could try these in windows settings, idk I've seen people say this settings causes stutter

[visual flower]

I don't even know the difference I did not measure it I just installed everything I wanted and playing

yea that one I have turned off too^

if you have something like x3d Turbo in your bios I'd suggest trying turning it off

[neon spire]

Nah only change I made in bios was enable xmp

[visual flower]

that should be fine

also I assume you tried installing Lyall's fix too

noticed you have borders in the cutscenes

[neon spire]

Yeah I tried everything

Drivers are next

[visual flower]

I hope it works out for you

btw just in case, what I did before everything was perfect is DDU + custom driver installation, but I also removed AMD GPU drivers with DDU and I think I reverted to the chipset driver that was last available in the mobo driver section, not the AMD website

[surreal thorn]

slop

[visual flower]

also since you're running the 9800 maybe you can look into updating the bios if that is possible

some mobos improved compatibility somewhat recently

[visual flower]

what do you mean?

[neon spire]

Will try igpu drivers next if no luck

[surreal thorn]

useless mod

[main elm]

have you tried without sk

[neon spire]

yes I only used sk to show the frame time

I noticed it while playing normally

[merry ermine]

lumen is apparently broken on PC 😦

guess I'll be waiting to play this a little longer

[neon spire]

only for 50 series before hotfix drivers

[empty mist]

only 50 series

[merry ermine]

oh, good to know

[empty mist]

check the other clair obscur channel they talked about it there

[neon spire]

nvidia and their shitty drivers recently

[elder void]

Yes. You could tell right away once you get to that mansion that was pitch black.

[empty mist]

mansion looked good for me just the reflections looked sort of ugly but i guess that’s software lumen lol

[elder void]

Mansion looked good on 5000 series without the hotfix?

[winged dune]

Between switching to preset J for less ghosting in fog/around manor (haven't gotten back to it yet to see if it really helps) and the like, using only hair related bits from that RR mod Engine.ini, and adding some Lilium's CAS and filmgrain on top of Lyall's fix with disabled sharpness i think i've settled down.

[empty mist]

oh no i have a 4090 not a 50 series card

i assume you could try testing one of the hot fix drivers and see for yourself in the mansion

here it says .15 and .26 are unaffected

[ebon python]

Which bits of it are related to the hair? I was looking through it and wasn't sure

[winged dune]

I left these ones, and Nanite stuff, the last one probably doesn't work without other RR stuff but isn't breaking anything either way.

[empty mist]

what’s the performance hit with this compared to the full RT mod?

[winged dune]

I haven't really compared, but i doubt its much, Certainly not as much as the full package.

[ebon python]

Clearly I was looking at the wrong mod or the wrong version of it lol. I was looking at the ultra version of RT Enhancement and it doesn't have any of that

[winged dune]

Eh? Weird, i'm pretty sure its the one.

[ebon python]

I swore I saw it before as well and maybe it was a different version. I just downloaded 0.4.1 which was uploaded pretty recently

Regardless, thanks for sharing the settings! I'll just copy over what's in your screenshot

[winged dune]

Maybe the new one doesn't have it anymore. Maybe its just a placebo 🙂 But i think the noise around hair was alot worse before.

[SystemSettings]
; ===== Hair Tweaks =====
r.HairStrands.DeepShadow.DensityScale=1.0
r.HairStrands.Visibility.ShadowBias=0.2
r.HairStrands.Visibility.SoftTransition=3
r.HairStrands.Rasterization.ShadowDensity=0.45
r.HairStrands.SkyLighting=0
r.HairStrands.Visibility.PPLL.SamplePerPixel=64
r.HairStrands.DeepShadow.DepthBiasScale=0.01
r.HairStrands.DeepShadow.MinResolution=256
r.HairStrands.DeepShadow.SuperSampling=1
r.HairStrands.Visibility.Compute.SamplePerPixel=16
r.HairStrands.SkyLighting.SampleCount=16
r.HairStrands.SkyLighting.ConeAngle=1.2

; ===== Nanite Tweaks =====
r.Nanite.DicingRate=1.0
r.Nanite.MaxPixelsPerEdge=0.5

; ===== RayTracing Tweaks =====
r.RayTracing.Shadows.EnableHairVoxel=1

[winged dune]

I'm not sure its due to Reno and it is a minor issue, but just before screen fades to black during cutscenes the colors on everything suddenly shift for a brief last moment.

[jagged portal]

Probably reno

[winged dune]

Yeah, found an easier way to replicate - by falling down somewhere. Happens pretty often with Reno, but didn't happen in a dozen times without.

[compact totem]

Saw there was an update on steam, anything broken?

[quaint knot]

as renodx outputs srgb(because game is in srgb color space, so I guess reno does not touch that?) should we use native wide gamut or clamp srgb?

[charred horizon]

Was crashing before on startup with it with DLAA, and now seems all good.

[neon spire]

people say these things are placebo but something in the million lines of probably useless configurations in this mod fixed my stutter completely
https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/1?tab=files

I just wish I knew which ones

[surreal thorn]

fixed via placebo

[neon spire]

yeah frametime graphs are placebo and not measurable at all

[surreal thorn]

show data

[patent lintel]

Anyone with a lg cx/c1/c2 wants to share his settings for renodx in this game? I'm not really able to know how a game's hdr should really look lol

[steady elm]

My frametime graph in vanilla (i.e. only SK, no mods, no RenoDX etc.)

[neon spire]

nvm you are right I had reno disabled from a previous run, was unable to replicate

[neon spire]

my frametime is perfect in gameplay btw, I am only having issues during cutscenes

[surreal thorn]

the only stutter mod i trust to have some modicom of impact would be Ultra+

if it's not by them, it's probably useless

[plucky finch]

Did you tried the beta reshade pinned in the main channel
#🧩renodx-dev message?
Did you try disabling the generic add-ons in reshade?

[plucky finch]

You can use UUU to see which commands do anything

[merry ermine]

it's not even that it's placebo necessarily, it's that it could be placebo cause there's no validation that goes into them. It's throwing the kitchen sink at the problem when most of the issues can't even be solved that way. And it's bound to cause additional problems cause its changing a billion different things off vibes.

[neon spire]

just gotta put up with it, hopefully I can sort of just forget about it

[winged dune]

Got back to manor, yeah, preset J doesn't help 😂

[raven dune]

Is there a way to disable sharpening without lyall's fix?

[plucky finch]

Help with what?

[plucky finch]

Nope

[nocturne cypress]

nothing helps for the lightning ghosting

preset J is just way better than K for volumetrics

still worse than CNN presets tho

[plucky finch]

Oh you guys mean Lumen lag?

[merry ermine]

if the game doesn't use DLSS autoexposure, try forcing that on

[winged dune]

Already enabled by default, disabling it makes a smooth ghost trail into trail of multiple ghosts.

[merry ermine]

Well dang

sounds pretty broken

[hasty loom]

ui alpha tag no?

that ue setting?

[winged dune]

Well, at least its just one place that you visit rarely. Very few places with reflective surfaces otherwise.

[neon spire]

is this also true for games that come native with dlss4?

[nocturne cypress]

any game with volumetrics i think

i notice it in so many

[neon spire]

wow, no way how is it that people don't mention this?

like I have watched fsr4 vs dlss4 videos and nobody seems to bring this up as some downside

[nocturne cypress]

yea im very surprised as well, maybe people are not as sensitive to it

[merry ermine]

J is so significantly worse for image stability on foliage that most people won't use it

[nocturne cypress]

I havent noticed this tbh

might try k again to compare

[merry ermine]

diferent people have different sensitivites I guess. J is the worst at handling foliage of every DLSS model

[nocturne cypress]

yea fair enough

[neon spire]

I thought it was due to replacing dll, but if games that ship with dlss4 also have issues then it's pretty bad

[hexed seal]

Hi! Latest update dos't crash with DLAA anymore, however the scene is brighter in DLAA than in DLSS Quality for some reason. After disabling RenoDX it looks the same in DLAA / DLSS Quality. Can anyone else confirm it'

[merry ermine]

these issues come from bad motion information mostly afaik. So it's mostly a comparison of what each model does when shit hits the fan

I guess it's more nuanced than that but w/e

some of the fog issues are definitely AI shenanigans I feel

[nocturne cypress]

yea idk

in TLOU 2 the ghosting on preset K was so bad in dark areas on the flashlight

unbearable

so i swapped to J and didn't look back

so maybe the foliage didnt bother me or i didnt pay attention, but thats kinda weird since TLOU2 has loads of it

[merry ermine]

it's mostly if the foliage was struggling normally with TAA solutions

like in black myth wukong, foliage on preset J looked like the native internal res without AA basically

would have rather used FSR2 even

but that's an extreme example

[visual flower]

I'm hopefull we'll see another preset someday soon

that will fix more issues

preset K clarity is so amazing to me

I'd trade it to almost anything

[merry ermine]

yeah same

they still consider it a beta so I'm sure we will

[visual flower]

I remember just launching wukong

and INSTANTLY noticing difference on the main screen on the char armor

it's like suddenly you're playing at 4k

yeah

I'm still not sure what they meant by dlaa being in beta for these presets

[neon spire]

maybe optiscaler people can make fsr4 available for nvidia gpus someday

[visual flower]

I never used optiscaler is it really useful?

[winged dune]

With DLSS no, unless you're craving for fake frames in games without framegen like here.

[neon spire]

not really, mostly used to replace dlss with fsr for dlss only games

[visual flower]

I see

yea if I REALLY want framegen I usually just go with lossless scaling

don't really wanna go for it in clair since I already get 90 fps and the game is pretty strict with parry windows

[neon spire]

I use lossless sometimes for emulator games to go from 60 to 120

works well enough

[visual flower]

yeah it's pretty fun to use for videos too

[fiery orchid]

it can change DLSS presets on the fly so it's kinda nice for comparison purposes

[visual flower]

I see

is reno working post the latest patch normally?

it feels like something changed

but I can't really explain it

maybe it's just the location I'm in rn though

[winged dune]

Didn't see any problems, sliders worked.

[visual flower]

yeah maybe it's just the camp at night looking a bit too cloudy/dim

[sand willow]

If I just use the renodx-clairobscur_expedition33 files how do I go about adding lilium's hdr tool to measure the nits on screen?

[winged dune]

Can just drop shaders and textures folder next to it, or specify its location in reshade GUI.

Or install reshade like normal with all you need and replace dxgi.dll with the one bundled with Reno.

[sand willow]

Mine crashed as soon as I applied DLAA

after reloading, it does seem to be running like normal though

[sand willow]

appreciate you

[old wing]

For me DLAA works fine now with the latest version, but had to switch to DLSS Quality anyway now, because of dodging and using the RT mod

[empty mist]

meh i found Ultra+ in Cyberpunk totally dogshit. Lost FPS, made PT look worse and just overall more artifacts. Might be just in that one game but i tried it a few times over the span of few months and it always made my experience in Cyberpunk worse

[empty mist]

works fine for me. Tho i didn't try it for a long time, ran around for 5 minutes with DLAA and RenoDX and no problems

[haughty dirge]

ive often found that when im messing around with mods like reno, turning things on or off a few times, the existing shader cache ends up being a hindrance rather than a help. clearing it out and then launching with all settings + reno running - the state youre gonna play in basically - often then resolves it for me

the annoying part is that depending on the game there can be like 2-4 diff shader cache (or pipeline cache or other stuff) locations

theres the directx shader cache that windows disk cleanup can nuke, as well as the nvidia driver cache, and for lots of games they have their own additional cache somewhere within %localappdata%, so if you've tried or are trying to start with a fresh shader cache just make sure you get "all" of them

[haughty dirge]

fwiw ive heard this lots of times too but have never found a significant performance difference in any game when actually testing it myself. thats not to say its impossible, as theres obvi far more games out there than ive ever tried, but every time/everything ive tested this with its turned out to be one of those internet windows gaming optimisation trueisms that lots of peeps repeat but ive not seen evidence for

[ionic notch]

How would it make PT look worse if you can configure it to have more bounced lighting lol

Unless you mean the noise

[haughty dirge]

yeah J and K are definitely like a, C vs F situation before the CNN model got E (iirc, the actual model letters mightve been different). i checked it out after you mentioned it to me yday and J and K (i guess it makes sense its in beta) defs have tradeoffs that make them more or less suitable for specific games. we defs cant equate K to E in the sense that that CNN preset was basically "best of all worlds for everything"

[haughty dirge]

fwiw even though the Cyberpunk U+ is like the "original" one and the one that team has put the most work into, I think it's also the one where they're deviating furthest from what the devs figured were good setting - id agree that I usually prefer not to use it in Cyberpunk for actual gaming but it's an interesting experiment in the sense that they are able to unlock new methods/techniques of doing things that CDPR just didnt go with. So it's fascinating from a technical perspective. Any of the U+ mods that apply to UE5 games I find to be basically a complete no-brainer in terms of improving performance and visual quality - it's an engine where they have way less scope to change stuff than in Cyberpunk, but the issues tend to be similar between different UE5 titles and they seem to have a very solid grasp by now of what to fix and how

[sand willow]

this mod? https://www.nexusmods.com/clairobscurexpedition33/mods/42

[old wing]

yes

[grizzled jackal]

the character models look really good in this game

[empty mist]

idk it felt like it looked better but only while standing still, as soon as i did any sort of movement it looked so noisy and horrible (with Ultra+) and also lost like 10-15 fps using that mod

[empty mist]

yea in Cyberpunk I personally feel like Vanilla PT + Transformer model DLSS looks the best. I remember trying Ultra+ in Hogwarts Legacy back when the game came out but havent tried that in a long time. Tho from what I heard the devs updated the RT in Hogwarts so it runs like ass without FG, so i wonder how U+ actually helps or not

[tiny scaffold]

Can someone pin the post with the latest version? Now I have to scroll all the way back to find it

[ornate pilot]

You don't need to scroll, just 1 click

[gaunt hearth]

that version is like 5 versions older than the latest one.

[gaunt hearth]

#1365094340355035167 message here you go

[ornate pilot]

No, it is the latest version

Ritsu update the first post when he is posting the newer one

[gaunt hearth]

Oh my bad, didn't see the latest build link. I just saw the 1.0.0 build

[somber pebble]

with what lightning option? pt next 2?

[empty mist]

yea ofc

that was the only reason i downloaded it :D

sure it looks good standing still

but during movement i hated it

def not worth losing fps and image clarity just to have nicer PT while standing still

Vanilla PT is currently the best for me looks wise and stability wise

with the "no fake light with PT" mod, everything looks great

[somber pebble]

yeah I was looking at that. U+ does vanilla PT though right? With, supposedly, other improvements

Anyway, this is offtopic. I'll discuss that on its own thread if need be 😄

[merry ermine]

<@&1179197777616568400> It would be very helpful to get the first message pinned in here 🙏

[fiery orchid]

it's "unfortunate" you green people don't have pin perms

[twin ore]

top right

[merry ermine]

ah, true, guess it's just threads where that doesn't exist for some reason

sorry for ping 😅

[hasty loom]

how broken is oblivion if this is the renodx fps difference

i'm jealous

[errant jackal]

party people i havent played game since Thurs

what is new

is there anything new

Any mods should install, does FG mod exist?

[visual flower]

I think all the same

can just play

[steady elm]

RenoDX faster than engine.ini? In theory that doesn’t sound right

[hasty loom]

rgba16f faster on GPU's than r11g11b10 nonsense?

something something 16bit native gpus...

[steady elm]

engine.ini was always native FPS for me, so this is crazy, need to see a test with vanilla FPS as comparison

Now I’m wondering how much FPS engine.ini can cost 🤣

[hasty loom]

i usually have - 5-10fps / - 5-10fps in WuWa which is 240fps, based on shader/swapchain, but that's vs SDR, not engine ini

maybe rgba16f is faster but eats more vram

[cobalt crown]

A couple RT tweaks mods came out, PureDark has FG that I have been using for about 45hrs now without issue

[fiery orchid]

Ultra Plus people said they'll take a look at E33 after finishing Oblivion 🙏

[slow forum]

Considering Oblivion's state, that might take a while

[merry ermine]

finally starting this out, god reno can make this game shine

[hasty loom]

hue corrected red, i presume

[merry ermine]

no clue really, ritsu doesn't expose hue correction options

[hasty loom]

#define CUSTOM_COLOR_GRADE_BLOWOUT_RESTORATION   0.75f
#define CUSTOM_COLOR_GRADE_HUE_CORRECTION        1.f
#define CUSTOM_COLOR_GRADE_SATURATION_CORRECTION 1.f
#define CUSTOM_COLOR_GRADE_HUE_SHIFT             0.f

0 hue shift is hmm

[merry ermine]

that opening is weird cause the game it kinda washed out if you use sdr/defaults, but then the prerendered cutscene is more vibrant, actually a lot closer to my tweaked settings it felt like

[hasty loom]

flames are pink in oblivion if not at least 30%

there's a dumb balance between playable and looking good

[neon spire]

share settings once you are done playing with them

[hasty loom]

per channel nonsense in action

ah, didn't capture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-FfyTV9HjA

at 20 seconds

all that blue smear

red smear: renodx / rtx / engine.ini

also means RTX is all-in with per-channel, oof

[quaint knot]

is noise on lamps normal? its more obvious in game than ss. dlaa makes it better. it looks like when denoiser settings are messed up

[empty mist]

what noise do you mean here? the glow?

i only have have slight ghosting when enemies move around/with lamps but that's for sure just dlss and its magic

[visual flower]

enjoy, it's so good 🙏

[quaint knot]

the noise around highlights on some lamps. lower dlss scaling makes it worse

video is not in hdr but good enough to see the issue

[merry ermine]

surely that's just lumen

[empty mist]

oh yeah i see what you mean

never noticed that personally but ill look when im ingame

but yeah most likely lumen

[merry ermine]

@jagged portal have you tried adding autohdr to video yet?

[empty mist]

hm for me i actually dont have this issue

tho im looking at a smaller light at the Camp not a huge one like yours

but i looked ultra close with my eyes and i dont actually see that much shimmering

like this light right here is fully stable for me

no shimmer at all

but its hard to compare since its a completely different light than the one you showed

btw off topic question, is there a way to view these HDR png screenshots on pc with actual HDR? on my phone it actually shows up as normal HDR with the colors and everything but on my desktop discord its just washed out

[hasty loom]

chrome

[empty mist]

right

so only in browser

[slow forum]

SKIV if you need a viewer app

[empty mist]

yea i meant just without downloading it

but good to know

[merry ermine]

you can copy paste into skiv

[slow forum]

If u have SK installed you already have it

[slow forum]

And SKIF as well, it'll open SKIV

[empty mist]

oh i didnt know this

this is great then ill def use this more

[raven dune]

Would recommended disabling sharpening with lyall's fix cause that stuff is nasty

[empty mist]

@quaint knot i actually found a light like yours and yeah i have similar slight shimmer. lumen stuff i guess

[merry ermine]

I may stick with my settings I've got now, they seems to hold up well enough

[merry ermine]

since you asked

[neon spire]

Bless the great unreal engine, may we forever get poor image quality and stutters

[visual flower]

some scenes look a bit off to me, so gonna try it out too 🙏

[balmy bloom]

stutter engine

lumen, nanite are gpu and cpu killer

[visual flower]

it does look very nice tho when used right

[merry ermine]

keep in mind I'm at the start of act 1, so it's possible these are not good broadly lol

[visual flower]

yeah for sure

I'm really enjoying the default settings too, game's just beautiful

[merry ermine]

game is very pretty. I do think it's a bit washed, but that's mostly the style of bloom they're using.

[visual flower]

yeah

but it's mostly clouds/fog

which is very prevalent I think

[raven dune]

"Developer intent" doesn't really mean anything for hdr games but I do think the intent is to have somewhat of an old french film look

[visual flower]

so it kinda fits

I see, I mean I like the vibes the game has if you even use just default

since there are different colors depending on the scene

like something it could be very warm and cozy

other times pretty depressing

which all are neat

[raven dune]

Yup I've just been using default reno settings, might bump contrast/sat just a bit, but haven't really noticed it being washed out per se, more just foggy like you said

Been too busy playing and loving it to notice lol

[visual flower]

yeah and I really want to see what they wanted to show in a sense

[visual flower]

compared to stuff like mh wilds

where I despise their "artistic intent"

😸

[visual flower]

yeah like there in the background it does still look a bit washed right?

due to their bloom/fog

[visual flower]

also I think when the game wants it looks very clear and good in terms of contrast at default too

like I found myself just looking at stuff a lot of the times

and some enemies are just gorgeous to look at

[limber goblet]

I pinned it

[merry ermine]

hm, touching the highlights slider might be a mistake

at least with contrast increases anyway. Forces you into some noticeable highlight compression (which isn't necessarily bad I guess, it's the look the game wants).

[neon spire]

yeah in the world map the bloom is crazy when you look at the sky if you touch highlights

[hasty loom]

white clip is better. i haven't even looked at highlights in a while

[merry ermine]

settings I posted earlier vs highlights brought down to 46

some situations have pretty noticeable detail loss without it 😦

I liked what the slight bump to highlights did for skin 😩

oh well, so it goes

[limber goblet]

I used the first prologue area to test my preset and I ended up using 1.25 exp and 45 highlights for now, but I will probably keep testing scenes for 10 more hours before leaving the prologue lol

everything else at the default settings

the sun looks very bad, it needs bloom lots of bloom lol

eye adaptation strikes again tho, rising contrast crushes details until the "eye is adapted"

rising contrast + shadows helps like rising both to 60

[grizzled jackal]

i dont really like that, character skin looks like donald trump almost

my adaption of your settings

[limber goblet]

saturation at 80 is too much yea

[grizzled jackal]

[grizzled jackal]

depends on the blowout

[limber goblet]

true

[grizzled jackal]

tho i guess skin isnt affected by blowout too much

unless you set it equal to sat

[merry ermine]

hm, can't say I'm seeing anything that dramatic yet

[grizzled jackal]

are you in act 2 yet

dont wanna spoil

[merry ermine]

still in act 1

[grizzled jackal]

ok then i cant show

[limber goblet]

I did not want to raise the saturation at all but 65 with 60-65 blowout looks good

[merry ermine]

and this was with a very warm light on the characters

[grizzled jackal]

this should be fine to show

switching between the setting ive used so far and new more saturated setting

[merry ermine]

I mean yeah I can get what you mean there haha. Seems like it's just light bounce from the very red area, doesn't seem bad to me considering. But preferences and all that

[grizzled jackal]

i think this is fine mostly like you said red bounce lighting

but that is at 70 sat xd

80 gets a bit unpleasant

[merry ermine]

ah, didn't realize, yeah I can see that. I ended up doing the same thing on oblivion when I got to the oblivion gates...

[limber goblet]

I can't really decide between 65 and 70 sat

70 is def more realistic when it comes to skin tones

[merry ermine]

I'll drop it down a bit more

[limber goblet]

70 is a bit too much here

55 is too low

[grizzled jackal]

wrong clip smh

I think this is reasonable

[limber goblet]

yup this one looks good

[grizzled jackal]

[limber goblet]

i would rise shadows to 55-60 tho

the higher contrast is needed, but it has a youtube enbseries filter look to it haha

[grizzled jackal]

your right

i think 53 shadows is enough already tho, atleast right, will have to check in darker areas

[limber goblet]

that peak brightness tho haha, the G5 is a beast

[grizzled jackal]

its such a step up from the CX and my PG32UCDM

really happy with it

[simple spruce]

is it worth downloading that lumen mod

[grizzled jackal]

i dont have it, from what ive seen in the comparisons n stuff.. no

not worth the fps hit

the game is gorgeous

[simple spruce]

yeah it is

im bothered byr no native framegen implementation

[grizzled jackal]

just need the fix from lyall really

[simple spruce]

i cant imagine it being difficult to force with something since it has DLSS already

im not downloading puredark and idk if uh

this would work with puredark anyway

[grizzled jackal]

i dont think it does, iirc someone here tried it

i might be wrong tho

[simple spruce]

aah okay, well that's good

[empty mist]

it got hidden by the author lol

but tbh not really worth it, makes it look just slightly nicer, the reflections do look nice but thats about it

and losing 30 if not more fps for that, meh not worth it

[simple spruce]

oh did it lmao why

[grizzled jackal]

after some more testing

i think this is good

[merry ermine]

if you're raising shadows and decreasing highlights, you probalby just want less contrast lol

[empty mist]

well idk exactly why

but i noticed people pointed out in the comments of the mod that the mod wasnt actually using Hardware RT or whatever as the author was saying it does

it just enhanced the software RT that's already ingame aka the software lumen or whatever

[clear turtle]

default settings console enabled hdr for comparison
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1364916085954183168/1365074727688994836/SPOILER_SKIV_Clipboard.png?ex=6813e568&is=681293e8&hm=74418c4a5577899a21423ca07dbc0be14a4436f3597458bf2edd0b92666bcde7&

[empty mist]

will def try later looks similar to what i use

[merry ermine]

funny lol

[ember solstice]

What is the best program to take png hdr screenshots on windows?

I mean these screenshots look good. Mine are in jxr and I can't share them on discord

[clear turtle]

i didn't notice the black level issues initially lol

[empty mist]

i just use SK

[clear turtle]

SKIV also works

i use that to convert steam AVIF atm

copy from SKIV to discord

SKIV is included in special k

just check root directory

[ember solstice]

can it convert jxr as well. I have so many in jxr but they are pretty much useless besides windows

[clear turtle]

yup

[grizzled jackal]

ayy lmao

we found the funny number

[clear turtle]

ugh must resist 😩

[grizzled jackal]

its not really a spoiler

[ember solstice]

oh thank you. I'll check it out

[clear turtle]

I haven't really played much, trying to finish this months goals

[clear turtle]

ah heh

[grizzled jackal]

[merry ermine]

I think the little bit of crush looks better personally.

[limber goblet]

yea these two settings are exactly the same:

[clear turtle]

agree things pop more

[simple spruce]

aah okay. misadvertisement, then. that might be work for ultra+ someday

i keep hoing they'll go over rebirth

hoping, even

[clear turtle]

the default looks a bit faded so i was gonna adjust it when i came back to it

[empty mist]

i think from what i read is that its not really possible to force Hardware RT unless the dev does it or something like that

[grizzled jackal]

[empty mist]

if thats true tho no clue but some people said that

[grizzled jackal]

lol youre right legit identical

[limber goblet]

yea haha, contrast is just stretching highlights and shadows

[merry ermine]

a lot of these sliders feed into each other. Multiple ways to get the same thing

[limber goblet]

this is the same too

if you want to keep contrast at 50 haha

[grizzled jackal]

yeah makes sense

ive never really played around to achieve the same look with diff settings

[simple spruce]

that tracks

[neon spire]

game looks crisp, what in-game settings are you using?

[grizzled jackal]

1 sec

[limber goblet]

Ok I'm happy with these for now:

[grizzled jackal]

disregard the DLAA i have 77% forced in the driver rn
aditionally im using lyalls fix

[sand hamlet]

I am for sure crashing with DLAA enabled. Pretty quickly once loading in and trying to run around too.

[grizzled jackal]

i have not had a single crash in my 25 or so hours in this game

except when i first wanted to launch the game where dlaa was enabled by default and it was still broken causing insta CTD with reno

[limber goblet]

using preset K? no issues?

[sand hamlet]

I was crashing once a night for the last few nights, without renodx

[limber goblet]

like with ambient lighting/fog

[grizzled jackal]

i have some slight ghosting with fog or dark scenes sometimes but its rare enough that i can deal with it and appreciate the general image quality uplift

[jagged portal]

Nah they're low quality and rely on clipping, it won't look good

[merry ermine]

very jarring jump in quality, but I guess that would be there anyway

[limber goblet]

you have motion blur enabled 😮, I hate the artifacting it causes with DLSS 😢

[grizzled jackal]

game runs very well as well im very happy with this compared to oblivion

(60fps cap)

[empty mist]

why 60 fps cap :D

[haughty dirge]

someone else earlier in the thread mentioned defaults but bumping blowout from 0 to 10, that's looking great to me so far

[grizzled jackal]

because i prefer to have fully stable frametimes 99.9% of the time

60 dead flat feels better to me than 60-90 varying

[limber goblet]

it feels good in this game, and we can rise the picture quality higher

[empty mist]

ahh okay good thinking

i mean im kinda happy with All epic settings but dlss quality at about 100-120 fps

[limber goblet]

sometimes you have to use 90+ fps to "fix"/mask bad frametime

aka oblivion

lol

[empty mist]

where do u set that custom 77% resolution?

might wanna try that

[grizzled jackal]

nvpi

[empty mist]

ah okay

so ingame u set DLAA but its 77% instead of 100%

[limber goblet]

what resolution?

[grizzled jackal]

ingame it doesnt matter what i set itll always say 77%

[empty mist]

3440x1440

[empty mist]

okay good to know, ill give it a try now

[grizzled jackal]

that shit is unfixable

atleast for us

hope virtous can improve this

[empty mist]

oblivion has horrible frametime compared to E33

its actually crazy

[grizzled jackal]

looks good to me bro

[empty mist]

only issue i have with oblivion is the shader compilation sometimes happens when u launch the game again

so during gameplay

after that the frametime settles somewhat but its def not as good as it could be

[haughty dirge]

yeah im able to run the RT enhanced mod at a basically locked 60 (60fps being the 1% lows in that case) so have settled on the same - i understand its not actually enabling hardware lumen, but whatever it is doing to the quality of software lumen/the bvh structure/reflections and hair rendering in particular is eliminating enough of the lumen artefacts that usually bother me that the mod at a solid 60 is worth it to me vs 80 without it. tho very much looking fwd to when the U+ team gets a chance to turn their attention towards this game 🤞

[neon spire]

performance hit is just too high, dips bellow 60 too often

[grizzled jackal]

I don’t use the RT thing either

[haughty dirge]

so far im not really seeing it, though i have to disregard the frame rate completely collapsing for a frame or two on cuts or scene changes bc that drags the avg and 1% low stats down significantly otherwise. tho i am also not super far into the game - perhaps later areas get heavier? trying to play like 4 games simultaneously atm and dont even rly have time for one, so my hope is high that by the time my full focus returns to this game U+ will be avail

[grizzled jackal]

If U+ team would take a look at it I would try that

[empty mist]

i think the best and only engine.ini things needed are mostly the LOD ones

[haughty dirge]

im under no illusion that the current RT enhaced mod isnt doing what it claims (ie hardware lumen), which by logical extension throws into question whether the creator understands any of the variables they are messing with ofc, so imho theres a large chance the performance hit is probably greater than it needs to be for what it accomplishes. would love U+ bc i have a greater level of trust that they understand what they're doing

the only reason im running with the current RT mod regardless is that the visual differences i can tell by eye are worth it to me personally and i can live with a locked 60