▫️The Last of Us Part II

[spiral escarp]

so not neccesary if the game already outputs in hdr10 / scrgb

preset 3 and 4 basically

[sand flax]

gotcha, yeah i got an error when i tried loading the addon and using SK, so they probably aren't meant to be used together.

[wicked lintel]

I'm CPU limited here because of I guess shader compilation?

Even after that, it still drops below 80 to 60s and 70s now with a GPU bottleneck

in 1440p... this is rough. I guess this game wasn't designed for PC so it's really hard to get the same level of performance as on PS4/PS5

[trail ferry]

Ya it seems that unless you have a 5080 tier or better GPU, you really arent getting much of an improvement over the PS5

But at least you can use mouse and keyb

I do recommend you just hide the FPS overlay and play tho

[wicked lintel]

I'm on 7800X3D/4090, so I'm in that group. yeah, I'm just playing the game, but when you're locked at 80 fps and suddenly it drops to 60s, you feel it. Not a great experience. Annoying because the game runs at 100+ fps most of the time (on my hardware), but these drops happen sometimes. Also I think this is not so much "performance" related but rather something's just broken in this port. The way they handle shader compilation and maybe some decompression stuff?

the Jackson location is just straight up broken - I'm sure because performance drops like 50% compared to anywhere else. Also in the intro, frame pacing goes completely wild

[trail ferry]

For me its just uhh

rebar on = mostly consistent perf level

but with rebar off, jackson loses 10-20frames

seattle gains 70

but i havent gotten any mega drops, but also 5090

but Im also just not looking

[urban orbit]

main improvement is pc doesn't force sharpening and ca

[vestal igloo]

did you mean ps5 or ps5pro

ps5 is easy to beat

its just native 1440p

[wicked lintel]

Isn’t the PS5 Pro also 1440p but with PSSR? At least in performance mode - but that’s what we’re comparing, right?

if in Jackson I'm getting drops to 60s on a 4090/7800X3D, while the PS5 runs at 1440p with >60 fps in unlocked mode, how is PS5 easy to beat?

[vestal igloo]

pretty sure jackson runs way above 60 fps on 4090

[vestal igloo]

here im getting cpu limited to 100 fps

but not all the time

and by jackson if you mean its the opening, then i got 150 fps at ps5 setting 1440p

[wicked lintel]

probably 70s not 60s, but pretty sure it went under 70 for a sec or two. With 80fps cap I see every drop below 80.

[vestal igloo]

never seen that

opening is the most demanding area in jackson

iirc

the lowest i got is like 130

what specific area btw

i almost finish the game now

[wicked lintel]

the opening section and later that flashback with Tommy where you use the sniper rifle

[vestal igloo]

i can test it

[wicked lintel]

also in Jackson

and that first encounter with the scars

[vestal igloo]

yeah

im 100 fps here

cpu limited

[wicked lintel]

what resolution?

[vestal igloo]

when gpu limite its above 150

1440p

ps5 setting

[wicked lintel]

I guess it's 21:9 so much more pixels than standard 1440p but -30 fps sounds wrong

DLAA ?

[vestal igloo]

this game has problematic fov scaling

when increasing the fov

frametime can get fucked up in some areas

[vestal igloo]

3440*1440 right ?

and max setting

let me try it

[wicked lintel]

actually DF optimized settings

[vestal igloo]

well

[wicked lintel]

https://youtu.be/Z0IoZxiv1i0?t=908

15:08

and yeah 3440x1440p

I've got the FOV set to like 3

So I increased it a little but but not much

unless it's just broken setting period

[vestal igloo]

camera distance ?

did you change that

[wicked lintel]

no

[vestal igloo]

wait a sec

let me add 3440*1440

95 fps when cpu limited

[wicked lintel]

I have a feeling if I load it now it'll also run the same

Maybe it was because the shaders were compiling

but that wouldn't explain when I was GPU limited

idk

[vestal igloo]

yeah

[wicked lintel]

I remember after a while the FPS went back to being locked at 80, so I think it was just temporary drops

[vestal igloo]

when gpu limited im above 120 fps

[wicked lintel]

you can test the sniper rifle scene with Tommy in Jackson

[vestal igloo]

which chapter

nvm found it

seatle day 2

[wicked lintel]

yeah

did you change anything in rebar? Also, I'm using DLAA Preset K so the transformer model

[vestal igloo]

no and same

heres the lowest i found

110

[wicked lintel]

for me, the fps dropped really badly here when I looked in the same direction as your screenshot. As soon as I moved the camera to the other side, it went back to normal

I need to load this again and check if it still runs like this

[vestal igloo]

yeah

this specific camera angle triggered the drop

but its not as bas as yours

[wicked lintel]

the only possible explanations I see are that we have different CPUs, or my 4090 undervolt is affecting it too much though usually it only costs a few fps at most

did you get the same fps drops in Seattle downtown as in the DF video?

[vestal igloo]

no

my gpu usage is 99% in seatle 99% of the time

the lowest is like 110+ with 4k max setting dlss quality

df optimized setting should be like 120

most of the time its around 150 fps though

and interior section can go over 200 fps

[vestal igloo]

this is the most cpu demanding section i found

[wicked lintel]

I guess something is broken with X3D cpus

[vestal igloo]

someone here with 9800x3d and 5090 had extremly cpu limited performance in seatle

same as df

and he cant fix it with all the methods mentioned online

well its actually 106 lowest

forgot to turn on screen space shadows

im pretty sure its above ps5 performance though

[wicked lintel]

for sure

it's also like +50% of what I have here

[vestal igloo]

ps5pro might be hard to beat here because of the dogshit cpu performance

in terms of gpu performance, im assuming its the same as part 1

you need atleast a 3080 to beat the base ps5

and it might be only like 10% faster

[trail ferry]

I would love to chime in but I just play the game, haven't felt perf drops but I'm not looking

So it may be between 80 to 120 I dunno

It's smoother than 60

At all times

But I'm not going to play this with an overlay of anysort

[long grail]

same, but I can definitely feel and see a difference between 80 and 160fps so I'm kinda annoyed that I'm bottlenecked

fortunately at least on a 120hz screen with the help of frame gen I can easily hit max refresh rate BUT since it's unstable and VSYNC is messed up it will never feel fluid

either I have to live with VRR flicker and cap my FPS at 115 or if I use vsync I will have terrible frame pacing

I guess if they at least fix vsync (either nvidia or naughty dog I'm bot sure where the issue comes from) and framegen I'd be pretty happy already

[noble folio]

i drop to as low as 100 with 9800x3d and 4090

in certain sections for seemingly no reason

[long grail]

i go even lower to like 80 fps because of some invisible bottleneck lol

I'm the one with the 9800x3d and 5090

[noble folio]

lmao

[vestal igloo]

seatle is not even close to the most cpu demanding area if you dont encounter that wired bug showed in DF’s video

[vestal igloo]

should be here

the first fight with the scars

[long grail]

yea I'm not gonna play the game as long as it's not fixed

or at least I hope my bottleneck will be fixed haha

I noticed that removing the PSN sdk file does improve the CPU bottleneck a good bit lol

game doesn't care if it's there or not you won't get the PSN overlay anymore but who cares about that

[noble folio]

i didnt play past the prologue

the stuttering and artifacts were insane

[long grail]

yea prologue is particularly bad though

I have no idea what's going on there

it's smooth for me now but the first run was very stuttery

I'm still bottlenecked though but the frametimes are smooth at least so no stutters or anything

[noble folio]

lowering my monitors refresh rate to 144hz did help a bit

but im not bothering with this dog shit until they fix it

pun intended

[vestal igloo]

prologue has severe frame pacing issue if you increase the fov

i guess if you play in ultrawide this issue will also be present

i dont get why people think this is a good port

god of war ragnarök is also a ps4 game but it runs at dynamic 1080p with low setting on base ps4

tlou 2 runs at native 1080p with roughly high setting on base ps4

and tlou 2 runs much worse on pc with same hardware than god of war ragnarök

[glossy trellis]

Who is calling this a good port?

GIVE ME THE NAMES

https://tenor.com/view/24-jack-bauer-jack-bauer-mad-jack-bauer-angry-kiefer-gif-10984840611902702980

[humble scroll]

I don't get why people are playing right now and not waiting for patches

[vestal igloo]

scroll down under the comment section of that DF video, you can easily find one

[fierce oasis]

well i don't really have any issues. runs very smooth and looks just fine. i wanted to play it now so i am playing it
it's not exactly a disaster of a port and patches won't add any content so i don't really have any reason to wait for some minor fixes if i feel like playing it now

[vestal igloo]

more NAMES

[humble scroll]

but did they fix the shadow pop in and missing blood effects for example

also some flickering textures

[vestal igloo]

Missing blood effects from PS4 / PS5 version
Worse shadaw draw distance than base ps4
Extremely cpu limited in some cases

[vestal igloo]

no

and apparently it underutilizes and waste hardware resources the same time

[fierce oasis]

i wasn't even aware of these issues. it's not obvious at all when playing

[long grail]

I'm still getting really bad GPU usage too 😦 It's so weird

people with 4080's having better performance than my 5090

[long grail]

and yea me too I didn't even notice, there's still plenty of gore like you can literally shoot limbs off of people

you have to compare them directly side by side to notice something is different

[noble folio]

these have to be bots or something there is no way

[long grail]

I think the experience is really just very different from user to user honestly

I see a lot of people where the game seems to be running just fine even in the opening sequence

so yea I'd be happy aswell

[trail ferry]

I've said before but yes, fastest pc in existence, but the perf. Of this game is the best I've experienced in a long time

Actually 0 stutters, stable frame rates, game just runs well

Yes frame rates from area to area could be just a smidge higher with tweaks (100% lmao) but 4K DLAA 120fps roundabout I'm happy

[vestal igloo]

gowr runs much better

what do you mean in a long time

also a sony first party game

actually all sony first games run much faster except tlou1 and spiderman 2

[trail ferry]

I'm not fussed about running faster, I'm about the stability of the game

[vestal igloo]

im talking about stability ?

gowr doesnt stutter at all

[trail ferry]

Fair enough, I didn't really play that on PC, not a fan of the game and had no reason to replay it
Ratchet and Clank, whilst runs super speed, just isn't as smooth for me

[vestal igloo]

tlou1 and spiderman 2 are the only two sony games that have stutters

[vestal igloo]

yeah

and Ratchet and Clank, i always forget about that game

pretty much these three games

all other sony games runs pretty smooth

[trail ferry]

Could be I'm still mentally scarred from Black Myth Wukong

Indiana Jones felt pretty doodoo too

[vestal igloo]

kcd2 also runs perfectly with zero stutter

[long grail]

yea KCD2 runs like a dream

that game is so awesome man I was so thrilled when I saw how good and polished it is

[wicked lintel]

this port runs well in terms of smoothness and zero stutters, yes. If every new PC game ran like this, I'd take this state of PC gaming any day. But the issue for me is that this is a PS4 game, and it's still hard to match the PS5 performance level for example

if current PC hardware didn't have a 5-10 year advantage over what this game was designed for, it would run like garbage. But hey, at least there are no stutters... which these days counts as an big achievement, I guess

[plain stream]

Jesus christ this game is super sharp

On Transformer and it is still overtly sharp lol

Oh wait nevermind I need to update my game

Apprently they fixed the over sharpening issue

[rich wigeon]

Ontop of the bad performance it has missing gore effects too apparently the devs are looking into it https://youtu.be/lcPdFG9m4EY?t=176

https://youtu.be/R_S4YpyhwI4?t=344

[glossy trellis]

Two month Sony PC port rule strikes again

[vestal igloo]

FYI high/very high volumetric setting destroys the performance in jackson

[ocean bobcat]

guys anyone can help with this ? im new to hdr

[vestal igloo]

looks like wrong color space

did you turn on windows hdr

[ocean bobcat]

Yes i did both in game and windows

[vestal igloo]

what display you have

[ocean bobcat]

msi qrx

[long grail]

why do ellies eyebrows look like that lmao

[ocean bobcat]

hey hey i fixed that now it was shader thing

this is the latest picture taken

[long grail]

nice hahah

[glossy trellis]

Shader cache corruption, happened with part 1 as well

[long grail]

lmao

man I'm still waiting for nvidia or naughty dog to fix the low gpu usage 😦

I wanna play the game really bad

[glossy trellis]

Remember meme Joel screens?

[long grail]

yea I remember that

lmao

[glossy trellis]

The same thing

[wicked lintel]

new patch

they’ve made some improvements to rebar on performance

[vestal igloo]

ill test if volumetric setting above medium still destroys performance in jackson

lol yes it does

and rebar still doesnt do anything

[long grail]

ooh I hope at least they fixed the issue with low usage for me

nope, still broken

wait CPU usage is really high though

this is even worse now

how am I CPU limited on 9800x3D lmao

[noble folio]

welcome to modern pc ports

[trail ferry]

seattle runs the same as rebar off which is good

[long grail]

I'm going crazy over this

[long grail]

this is GoW in comparison for me

why are so many people able to fix the issue with TLOU by disabling rebar but it doesn't work for me

[mint mountain]

Does the game still have regressed perf with frame Gen on before game startup?

[fierce oasis]

the game has crazy banding at times

[wicked lintel]

yeah, I noticed that too, especially when you leave the theater alone as Ellie. Don't remember which chapter that was, but that weather conditions really made it obvious

also I kinda think this is a PC related issue

[glossy trellis]

this is with in game film grain?

[fierce oasis]

hmm no

[glossy trellis]

This is why film grain is obligatory in HDR 😅

Though Lilium or SF shaders might do a better job

[mint mountain]

Wait why is film grain good with hdr? Film grain + chromatic aberration is usually a big no no for me

[glossy trellis]

Debanding

It works as dithering filter

[mint mountain]

Ah

[trail ferry]

Also looks good 🙂

[wicked lintel]

It doesn't help much. Or at least the in-game one. I had it at 50%, but after I noticed that banding, I changed it back to 100% and it was still visible. I think it actually didn't improve at all.

[fierce oasis]

i tried liliums grain actually and it didn't really fix it

[long grail]

always use a little bit of film grain in HDR it's basically dithering and helps a lot with color banding

in Alan Wake it really helps a lot in dark scenes where you would have a lot of weird color banding constantly

[white hollow]

anyone gets black crash with default HDR settings?

In that case, should I change the "brightness" or the "contrast" setting? Im with OLED (s95b)

[vestal igloo]

this game targets gamma 2.4

so it is more contrasty than most game that target 2.2

[white hollow]

Thanks alot, so the correct way to fix that is to lower the contrast?

[vestal igloo]

no

lilium's black floor fix

theres a gamma adjustment option

[white hollow]

Ah ok!

[vestal igloo]

and if you mean some interior section

theres a flashlight

so it is intended to be super dark

[white hollow]

I see, no i mean black crash, too contrasty, joels face and shadows are crashed

and the contrast level bars in the menu, half are black

not the normal gradient that is expected

[vestal igloo]

s95b has inaccurate pq tracking

did you try to fix it

[white hollow]

Yes, I have it fixed I think. but thats a good idea, Ill check a youtube in HDR of contrast gradients

yep, its the game. tv's fine'

Hey polly25. Thanks for helping me, i appreciate it

[noble folio]

@white hollow have you done the max lux mod? that is absolutely necessary to fix pq tracking on game mode

[white hollow]

hey there. I have my TV unplugged to an older FW (1310) and I've applied the necessary fix to stabilize the PQ EOTF curve. i think it is fune

[glossy trellis]

https://steamcommunity.com/games/2531310/announcements/detail/526466542465974415

[vestal igloo]

i guess they will never fix the missing gore effects

just like the missing particles in gow 2018

[wicked lintel]

have they fixed loading times being tied to framerate?

[trail ferry]

yes

[wicked lintel]

that's nice at least

[humble scroll]

not enough exposure, DF didn't point out

[mint mountain]

Nixxes support is pre good, they fixed everything I reported

[long grail]

do you guys also get a massive performance hit when using reshade?

[glossy trellis]

Reshade plus SK?

[long grail]

I got the low GPU usage sorted out - had to completely reinstall windows lol but at least my CPU/GPU are being used properly now

no even just reshade

[glossy trellis]

not really, no

[long grail]

I drop from 280fps to 230 only by enabling effects in reshade

[glossy trellis]

But I only played like an hour after it released

I'm waiting for nixxes to patch the game up

[long grail]

yea fair enough though I don't know how much they'll be able to fix

I'm hoping they fix up at least Framegen/Reflex and Vsync/Gsync

I don't know if they'll fix up the CPU bottlenecks in certain areas

[glossy trellis]

Try disabling those

[long grail]

I'll try that thanks

[glossy trellis]

and turn on the performance mode once you dial the settings

[idle tree]

You know of a video demonstrating this?

[idle tree]

This I know of yeah

[vestal igloo]

go check pcgamingwiki page

under issue unsolved section

[idle tree]

Do you also know of Spider-Man 2 missing RT Key light shadows for the buildings and GoW Ragnarok missing RT-placed cubemap reflections?

That is really the case btw

[vestal igloo]

kinda different

rt key light shadows were added for the ps5pro

and rt cubrmaps are tricky to implement with dx12 according to the developer

[idle tree]

My god that page has every fix mentioned there with absolutely no details and/or messed-up layout.

Btw, comments on the TLOUP2 PC video said Nixxes responded and said they are looking into the missing gore effects

[idle tree]

Yeah, likely implemented after they took the snapshot version of Spider-Man 2 PS5 to port to PC, but nonetheless it is strange for the PC-version to miss a graphical feature. So, should be back-ported in my opinion.

[idle tree]

Then they should get outside people to help on it. This was clearly already in the base PS5 code, which the PC port is likely based on. So, find this not being in there kinda rediculous

Like, Sony OWNS Nixxes, why can't they let some of their talent help Jetpack to get that working?

[vestal igloo]

its different api so maybe people at sony santa monica dont know how to do it either

[idle tree]

I have all respect for devs, but I find it weird that many PS5/PS5 Pro versions are both better and worse in certain aspects to the PC release.

[idle tree]

Nixxes and Jetpack both work with DX12

[vestal igloo]

ps5 use a custom api

[idle tree]

And Jetpack Interactive produced the port for Santa Monica

[vestal igloo]

its opengl based iirc

[idle tree]

Still, Nixxes still manages to do so

[vestal igloo]

but it shouldnt miss effects in the ps4 version

[idle tree]

Hence my "bring in people from another studio" argument... like they did for TLOUP2 where Nixxes assisted Iron Galaxy in the porting effort

[vestal igloo]

like the gore effect in tlou 2 and particles in gow2018

those should never happen

[idle tree]

exactly, although the missing gore effects for now seems to be simply a bug

[vestal igloo]

missing effects from ps4 version

[idle tree]

I don't care what PS version, in my opinion PC releases shouldn't be missing effects available on any PS-version

just my opinion/stance on this

GoW Ragnarok received some crash fixes as of late so here is to hopeful wishing that RT-placed cubemap reflectiosn will come after all... but think the chance is small

Still, every one of these games still look great on PC, but just sad they are missing out on some things

*sad

[fierce oasis]

how do you get mfg workign in the game anyway?

[long grail]

that was without mfg but you can get mfg to work by updating streamline dll's and forcing framegen DDL override in nvidia profile inspector

[fierce oasis]

oh huh streamline dlls need to be updated?

[long grail]

well at least with the ones the game ships with you can't force it via nvidia control panel

[fierce oasis]

also, 280fps w/o mfg? 👀

[fierce oasis]

yeah that would be why it wouldnt work for me

didnt expect that mattered though

[long grail]

yea I found out by chance

[long grail]

yea it was just one specific area with dlss q

but it was very obious there

[worldly helm]

older streamline doesnt support MFG, its why puredark cant get MFG to work in FO4 and Skyrim.

DX11 doesnt work with latest streamline so no MFG either

[long grail]

yea that's why there's no chance to get it to work in the witcher 3 either

if you upgrade streamline the game won't boot

[worldly helm]

damn didnt know that

[fierce oasis]

where do you get the newest ones?

[worldly helm]

im picking them up from ERSS

not to sure where huatii is getting them from

[fierce oasis]

ah

[long grail]

I believe they can be found on github from nvidia

I don't remember where I got them from last time

[long grail]

does Framegen work well for you on TLOU 2?

[fierce oasis]

yeah

[long grail]

because I get this weird issue where if I start the game with it I will get bad GPU usage

[fierce oasis]

they just fixed that supposedly

[long grail]

if I disable it in launcher and enable it in game it usually works fine for some time then it starts regressing again

I tried today after I reinstalled windows and I still get the issue

otherwise MFG would be nice in this game especially in the bottleneck zones

[fierce oasis]

damn

idk it seemed okay to me lately

[long grail]

man the game looks so good though

they did an amazing job with the lighting I'm impressed this ran on a ps4 lol

[sand flax]

pretty sure one of the recent game updates updated to DLSS 4 DLLs and streamline files

[long grail]

nope, streamline version the game ships with is 2.4.0.0

and DLSS is still 3.7

[sand flax]

yeah it shipped with that but one of the updates replaced them with newer versions, although i don't see it in patch notes hmm
https://i.imgur.com/YuBskLk.png
https://i.imgur.com/63x4FOB.png
i think i only manually updated dlss SR dll at launch for transformer model, don't think i messed with FG or streamline files since i'm not using FG for this game.

[fierce oasis]

hmm i have 2.4.0.0 and 3.7 (steam version)

you havent replaced these manually?

[sand flax]

i didn't think i did, but i could have, maybe when i was initially messing with the game at launch on my high refresh UW so was trying out FG there, but mostly been playing on my 4k120 display, strange, thought they updated from the game though.

[long grail]

They haven't been updated

[woeful yacht]

Is the fsr frame gen of the game bettet then optiscaler fg mod ?

I use dlss performance on 4k 120 oled tv

[fierce oasis]

new patch

The dynamic blood drip effect is now visible on body parts when shot or wounded by a melee attack.

[steady parrot]

Im just getting started with this game, do you guys find it odd that the first game was unoptimized af but this one runs over 100 FPS on DLAA? (on 4090)

and looks gorgeous

PS, Im just using default HDR settings, seems they've been updated withing the last few patches?

[tight otter]

I think it's down to the fact that this is at the end of the day, a PS4 era game, where as Part 1 was rebuilt from the ground up, and then was ported to PC terribly.

So with it being a PS4 era title, and it seeming like they paid more attention to the porting job, it SHOULD run well

[humble scroll]

part 1 was rebuilt on the TLOU2 engine

exact same technology, they made a handful of cosmetic improvements over TLOU2

[steady parrot]

Oh it runs well... same level as God of War Ragnarok. I mean 100FPS on DLAA is rare these days even for remasters and it looks gorgeous.

[vestal igloo]

you need to know that gowr runs at low settings and dynamic 1080p on ps4

tlou2 runs at basically high settings and native 1080p on ps4, which means gowr should be a much more demanding game, but the are actually at the same level

so the gpu performance of tlou2 on pc is heavily unoptimized, let alone the insanely high cpu usage

[long grail]

I'd say expecially the cpu usage is a big problem

in the forest with the first encounter vs the seraphites I'm completely CPU limited on a 9800x3d with a max of 80fps

with a 5090

I don't know what the hell is going on there but I don't think it should be performing that bad in that particular scene

otherwise the game runs fine I guess

fortunately it has FG at least so it's not a huge deal breaker

[glossy trellis]

Is the game still borked on the 50 series?

[vestal igloo]

5090 only 25% faster than 4090

just tested it

both overclocked and my 5090 is a very good bin which hit 3.2ghz in this game

[vestal igloo]

that scene is insanely cpu demanding on my system too

90 fps iirc

the intro is also really bad if you dont turn down the volumetric setting to medium

[glossy trellis]

Do you still need to disable rebar in the bios?

[vestal igloo]

no

but im on intel so that issue didnt even occur at launch afaik

ill keep my 4090 for a while, cant stay at driver 572 forever

[long grail]

lmao you should sell it

I literally managed to sell my 4090 for the price I bought it after 2 years and no waranty left

here in switzerland

[vestal igloo]

ngl i can sell it with much higher price than i pard for

i bought it below msrp

[long grail]

yea I could've too I just didn't expect it

I sold it in 40minutes

pretty sure someone would've paid more for it

[vestal igloo]

gpus in switzerland are pretty expensive i suppose

i have a friend there

[humble scroll]

virtually all electronics are cheaper because it's only 7.7% vat

[long grail]

actually for swiss citizens it's kinda cheap comparatively

if you compare prices and our income

the median income last year in switzerland was around 8k usd per month

the cheapest 5090 you can buy right now in switzerland is around 3k usd

[vestal igloo]

ya your income is pretty high

i have a friend who lives there now

[glossy trellis]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2531310/view/526467811082502246

[steady parrot]

oh wait, nvm - I am on DLAA at 100 FPS, I dont need DLSS lol

[delicate delta]

DLAA is DLSS

[steady parrot]

so the game already has it, whats new in today's patch?

[tawny lintel]

DLSS 4 had to be manually injected before now it doesn't. Transformer model makes a large difference in this game so I'm glad its included by default

[steady parrot]

game is already well optimized as is thankfully

[tawny lintel]

DLSS 4 removes some of the TAA blur that DLSS 3 does not

[steady parrot]

takes few clicks to update DLSS 4 in DLSS Swapper but ok, glad its added natively

[tawny lintel]

You also need to set the profile via DLSS Tweaks, Special K, or NVPI (if NVApp is not installed, or do an NVApp Override if it is)

[steady parrot]

thats only for changing presets I believe

but I am not using DLSS

[tawny lintel]

DLAA is DLSS so you have to change presets for DLAA as well

[steady parrot]

doesn't it just defaults to E anyways?

[tawny lintel]

Transformer model is preset J and K

[steady parrot]

gotcha, yeah SK has been set to K, easy peasy

[glossy trellis]

CNN default to E, TF defaults to J
In this game

[steady parrot]

@glossy trellis Any plans to take a look at HDR again after updates on this game? Last we chatted, they had updated a bunch of HDR settings in game.

[glossy trellis]

The HDR controls are still busted, for now I would use brightness -1 and contrast +1, if you want more control reshade is the only option

[steady parrot]

i'll try that, thanks. I wouldnt really know what to mess around with in reshade - dont think this has a raised black floor?

[glossy trellis]

it does not

[marsh gate]

Did they add a peak brightness slider

[glossy trellis]

No

[marsh gate]

Ok bt.2390 it is. Just gotta find the peaj value of the game

[hoary atlas]

I thought it just went straight to 10k

Uncharted did

[marsh gate]

I'm gonna use dice since it's better for uncapped 10k i think

[hoary atlas]

Hdr10 swapchain clamps 0-1 (0-10k in pq)

So if you scale with pumbo then you’re clamped to the ratio of the new paper white /300 * 10k

[marsh gate]

Yes, true. Would Dice still not be the best choice though?

it would be ~6,767 nits

[hoary atlas]

You’d have to play around with the shoulder start and see what looks good

[marsh gate]

How do you typically decide between bt2390 and dice?

[hoary atlas]

Bt.2390 raises some values if you mess with the knee

So I don’t mess with the knee

So either leave it as is or use dice with whatever shoulder I think looks good

[marsh gate]

Thx

i'll just see which looks better on highlights

and compare to SDR

I'll probably aim for pw 203 or 172

the fuck lol

is this still an issue

there's probably a mod

oh apparently they fixed this with a patch

also found this, idk how well this would work?

[steady parrot]

They dont really look blown out to me

[marsh gate]

Yea not sure where that entry came from

Is this game demanding?

[steady parrot]

Nope super optimized

[scenic veldt]

I thought PCGW added restrictions on who could edit their pages. Obviously not enough.

[vestal igloo]

tlou2 is relatively conservative, its below 4000 nits most of the time

only flashlight would hit 10k constantly

[vestal igloo]

doesnt work at all

[steady parrot]

This change alone is very pleasant

[marsh gate]

I found an old post of yours that I saved. Do you remember why you said to raise peak here when we were scaling down pw? Shouldnt' that lower peak?

it's a similar situation with TLOU2

[hoary atlas]

because lowering paper white brings down everything so a higher peak would be necessary to compensate

but you should just apply tonemapping after paper white I think

bt.2390 at default knee is fine I guess

[marsh gate]

Oh I see

In the last of us, it's not using system level calibration, it's just uncapped

[hoary atlas]

ya

[marsh gate]

so we're just putting in the new lower peak value into the max for bt2390

[hoary atlas]

ya

[marsh gate]

thx

i'll do dice vs bt2390. It's been a while since i compared those

[marsh gate]

musa do you have a preference typically between RGB and YRGB processing

for dice or bt

[hoary atlas]

Rgb

Never found a case where yrgb looked good

[marsh gate]

hm the FG doesn't seem to be working in this game

nvm something with SK

FG doesn't work with SK weird

[marsh gate]

and rtss is reporting my framerate weird

[hoary atlas]

Is there any reason to use both rtss and sk at the same time

[marsh gate]

nvm rtss it showing things properly. The in game framerate limiter is pre-fg

but yea, FG straight up doesn't work with SK

[marsh gate]

they look pretty similar in this case, at least so far with the bright highlights

there's not much difference between bt2390 at default knee, and dice at 50%

[worldly helm]

are you using pace native frames?

it will always show pre FG framegraph only. Look at the VRR section to see what your current framerate with FG is

[steady parrot]

Do share some pics when fully dialed in...

[marsh gate]

where is that

[worldly helm]

DLSS section inside of SK

[marsh gate]

rtss is reporting it as FG not being on either. And FK shows it as not activated

ok one sec

[marsh gate]

i don't see it

[worldly helm]

if FG isnt on, it wont appear

[marsh gate]

yea, it's not being activated for some reason with SK

[worldly helm]

🤷‍♂️

[marsh gate]

weird

it's working for you?

[worldly helm]

I dont even have the game installed

im just spreading misinformation

[hoary atlas]

What’s the benefit of running sk in this game

Is it actually better than nvidia frame limiter or is it all just cope

[steady parrot]

I only use SK to take pics

[worldly helm]

same as always

• If using FG, Pace Native Frames is much smoother than whatever sl. pacing is going on
• Allows you to swap DLSS presets and set auto exposure
• Allows you to check for any potential shenanigans with presentation mods, VRR / Gsync is working and so on

[marsh gate]

i typically prefer the SK framerate limiter, even for FG

but in this case it seems to disable FG

@hoary atlasyour settings look good to me I think. 203 paperwhite makes the game less blindingly bright. bt2390 is fine with YRGB. Also yea RGB looks weird. And the only thing to hit 10K nits (or 6K after adjusting pumbo's) is the flashlight

a bunch of other shit hits like 2K though

[hoary atlas]

whats wrong with rgb

I've found yrgb tends to make some highlights look off

rgb blows out cleanly

[marsh gate]

sorry my bad

i meant yrgb looked bad

rgb looked good

[marsh gate]

Dice at 25/Dice at 50/Bt2390 at default 25 (talking about knee/rolloff with the numbers)

bt2390 seems fine. Dice at 50% is pretty decent too. Don't think it matters much at least here

i'll keep testing

actually dice at 50% is kinda better in my opinion

ye dice at 50% is a bit brighter and nicer in highlights

[steady parrot]

This is with @glossy trellis settings of +1 and -1

[marsh gate]

i'll take some screenshots with the scaled down paperwhite

[steady parrot]

took earlier today

[steady parrot]

take one of the settings too pls 😄

[marsh gate]

ha ok

the brightness seems pleasant to me

[marsh gate]

I think the hdr looks good this way

[marsh gate]

@steady parrot settings above if you didn't see it

let me know what you think

[marsh gate]

I fixed this in case anyone else has the issue. You have to do a local install of SK for Nixxes games. Otherwise FG breaks with SK

so now I can use the good SK FG limiter rather than using the crappy in game one

[marsh gate]

Has anyone confirmed this sharpening issue? 0 doesn't actually disable sharpening?

[glossy trellis]

That was fixed in the first patch, 0 sharpening is now 0 sharpening

[marsh gate]

Thx that's good to know

[marsh gate]

should lilium's film grain be applied after pumbo's pw adjustment and after lilium's tonemapping?

[hoary atlas]

Wat

The game’s film grain is fantastic

[vestal igloo]

i dont like film grain in tlou2 in general

actually all naughty dog games

[glossy trellis]

Film grain should always be after all shaders

[marsh gate]

i want to use lilum's instead of the in-game one

[hoary atlas]

boo

[marsh gate]

ha why boo

[hoary atlas]

the in game one is great

[marsh gate]

is it?

[hoary atlas]

well i still dont know shit about film grain

and I haven't played in a while

[marsh gate]

i just assumed it would suck

[hoary atlas]

but I remember thinking it looked amazing

[marsh gate]

or not thinking it would be as good as one specifically made for hdr

[hoary atlas]

koklusz and shortfuse know that stuff

don't think there's anything that needs to be done different

when making film grain work in hdr

[marsh gate]

oh ok interesting

[glossy trellis]

I think Ersh said that in game grain doesn't help with banding

[marsh gate]

oh perhaps

[marsh gate]

Yea i think this is perfect tbh. The hdr looks great

[long grail]

the game's hdr is fine except for peak brightness tonemapping

it's not too bad but it's definitely clipping highlights here and there

[vestal igloo]

if a game has no gamma mismatch then its already better than 99% games

[marsh gate]

yea fix it with reshade. Then it's basically perfect

[vestal igloo]

if a game has gamma mismatch but doesnt do wired shit like contrast boost and matches sdr srgb then its better than 90% games

that how bad hdr in games is currrently

[marsh gate]

The game's native 300 nits pw is so bright lol

[vestal igloo]

ya which is kinda annoying because lowering the paper white also seems to crush some shadow details

at 300 nits the shadows are perfect

so i ended up with a kinda cursed setup

i use a very high knee offset for bt2390

which compress 300 nits to 203 nits

lol

so i get the same shadows as defaults

knee offset 0.8

[long grail]

I just used pumbos advanced auto hdr

and reduced paper white and increased shadows so they match vanilla shadows

looks perfect to my eyes

output white level 53 and shadows at 1.5

[scenic veldt]

I played some No Return today and marveled at how good Naughty Dog's per-object blur is. It's subtle, it steals so many GPU cycles, and I wish other games had it.

[long grail]

yea I really like it in TLOU too

[vestal igloo]

all fromsoftware games have good motion blur

🙂

[marsh gate]

Eh i didn't think so. It looked good to me. But I didn't compare to 300 nits

And i didn't compare to sdr

I just rolled with it. I'm also playing in a dark room. 203 pw is definitely noticeably darker

which paperwhite did you lower it to where you thought it was crushing? 203?

[minor sedge]

just found that info by accident on pcgw, using that formula for 2000 nits peaks, resulted in 10k spikes ;((((((((((, default value does the same, no idea if it even makes any difference

[marsh gate]

it does make some shadow detail harder to see unless your room is super dark

it shows in the hospital area

encourages you to use your flashlight more though

[steady parrot]

@marsh gate forgot to ask, what are your in game settings for these? Default? and to confirm your game has the latest update? They did change HDR settings in patches.

[marsh gate]

Default HDR settings. Latest patch. I just bought the game like 5 days ago so idk when the latest patch came out. But it doesn't show that the game needs an update so I have to assume it's the latest

[steady parrot]

it was the 19th i think, perfect

[marsh gate]

oh then before I even got the game yea

what did they change with the hdr?

[steady parrot]

@glossy trellis can answer that better - but they changed brightness and contrast levels

[glossy trellis]

#1212434739500154921 message

[marsh gate]

so basically they ruined the controls lol

nice

So the game is comparable to 2.4 nits SDR?

one of those rare games where it's 2.4?

[glossy trellis]

it would appear so

[marsh gate]

interesting

so after that suggestion was sent in, on may 19th they released a patch which improved things?

[glossy trellis]

It did not

I did received the email saying they passed my ticked to the dev team

I don't expect anything though, clearly no one cares or most people are happy with defaults

[marsh gate]

Wait so nothing was changed in the patches then for hdr?

According to Ko

What I don't understand is how you release a game that has uncapped hdr10 in the year 2025

[marsh gate]

Did Sony remove the playstation account linking requirement for games? I didn't get prompted to link an account to this game at all, even though it's pretty new

[frozen herald]

account linking means nothing when you can just disable the game talking to the internet at all if you want

[marsh gate]

I just didn't feel like making a PS account

I don't have one

would have been really fucking annoying

yet another login I have to remember/keep track of

[frozen herald]

password manager but yeah

[glossy trellis]

Looks like Part 1 is getting some love too

[marsh gate]

I want to go back and play Part 1 but I feel like it will feel ancient mechanically

since they don't have the dodge mechanics from part 2

[frozen herald]

i asked them for native dlss 4 recently and got a vague reply from support, i am hopeful! cant be that hard to implement given they already did the work to bring part 2's engine to part 1

[wicked lintel]

https://blog.playstation.com/2025/07/08/introducing-the-last-of-us-part-ii-remastered-chronological-experience-out-today

I don't get it

I guess Abby's and Ellie's stories are played in an alternating sequence in this mode?

instead of first Ellie then Abby

[worldly helm]

ND really milking TLOU

When TLOU part 1 Remastered Remake

[fierce oasis]

huh nice

another reason to replay the game at some point

[hoary atlas]

I’ve already beat it twice

Guess now I can beat it on OLED

[fierce oasis]

and i guess the people that insist that the pacing was "objectively terrible" and all that can now do it their way

[hoary atlas]

I don’t think this will improve the pacing

[fierce oasis]

i don't think either because i think the original version was fine

[hoary atlas]

I think all naughty dog games have bad pacing

The walk and talk story sections can be really grating

Sucks all momentum out

Also the game is long as shit

[wicked lintel]

I enjoy exploring their detailed interiors and looting them, so I don't mind

[hoary atlas]

I don’t mean parts where you can loot stuff

[glossy trellis]

For a ~ 35h single player TPS it better than expected
Probably Day 1 for both Ellie and Abby drags the most

[hoary atlas]

I’m thinking like when you go to the stadium as Abby

[fierce oasis]

disagree but that's fine, as long as we accept that it's just polarizing and not that one side here is objectively right

[hoary atlas]

Also the museum section

No I’m never wrong

[fierce oasis]

thats how the "tlou2 critics" act yeah

[wicked lintel]

literally most players' favorite moment lol

[hoary atlas]

My favorite was the scene

[glossy trellis]

yeah the sex scene was pretty hot

[wicked lintel]

yeah I get it and I don't disagree

[hoary atlas]

I was about to say not that one

[glossy trellis]

Too late old man

[wicked lintel]

aren't you the expedition 33 is shit guy?

[glossy trellis]

he is

[hoary atlas]

idk how to describe my feeling but it feels kinda like the video game equivalent of oscar bait to me

https://youtu.be/xa9oEroGDQc?t=873
14:38

14:38
This is basically pseudoscience, but I have a theory, which explains differing reactions to these kinds of moments.
14:45
Maybe you've heard the analogy that extroverts expend energy when alone, whereas introverts expend energy in the company of other people.
14:52
Something similar is true for games. I'm a mechanical extrovert—I recover energy when I have full access to my moveset,
14:58
and I'm placed in a scenario where I'm expected to make use of that. Conversely, I expend energy when freedom is taken away because to me this comes with a feeling of being constrained
15:08
along with a desire to break free from those confines. Presumably, some people are the opposite,
15:14
they would expend energy in a combat scenario when there are many split-second decisions to make,
15:19
then they would recuperate when put into a situation which has no failure state. As you might imagine it's probably not that straightforward in practice,
15:27
with different players having different tolerance levels or degrees of preference. And it's not as though there can't be any difference in quality between quiet moments either.```

[glossy trellis]

Yeah but does he think they did a moral cop out by not but saying n*******r

[hoary atlas]

He cooked with his bioshock infinite video 🔥🔥🔥

honestly yes the racism was weirdly pg in bioshock infinite

[wicked lintel]

fair enough, some of the overpraising I see annoys me too

[hoary atlas]

it winning the poll made me wanna die

also the narrative trope of the vox populi being as bad as comstock

very gross

[glossy trellis]

Everything about this game is poorly though out, characters talking like they are in the Tarantino movie would probably not help

[hoary atlas]

was very much giving boer energy

[hoary atlas]

ya game was ass in a million different ways

[wicked lintel]

I don't understand why it won for the opening sequence. I really like many moments in this game but opening wasn't anything special for me

[glossy trellis]

Agree, TLoU was robbed

||The real answer is a tanker chapter of MGS2, alas they put only bad MGS games on the list||

[wicked lintel]

even tlou2 would be better choice

it's honestly crazy how Expedition 33 has become everyone's favorite game now

like you already know it's gonna win GOTY at the game awards this year

[glossy trellis]

It's the best Final Fantasy game since FFX
It's also basically FFX

[wicked lintel]

I liked it, for sure wouldn't call it shit like musa did but overpraising is crazy

[glossy trellis]

It's like "the best of" PSX/PS2 era JRPG without the anime stigma

[wicked lintel]

yeah

[glossy trellis]

I've only finished the act 1 so far and while I don't think it's some gift from gods I'm enjoying the shit out of it

Alas, gaming is full of terminally online nerds that deal only in hyperbole

Not that I'm talking about anyone in particular here

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[wicked lintel]

it doesn't get worse, especially story wise and the ending is good too. It's a good game

[glossy trellis]

[hoary atlas]

I think a lot of my hate for expedition 33 comes from the post processing

Looks very Mario in unreal engine to me

I very much dislike the bloom

If I modded it I might like the game more

[fierce oasis]

recency bias as usual

though i personally also think the game was great

[wicked lintel]

yeah and I guess also the fact it's the first game of a small development team

[glossy trellis]

The fact it punches way above its weight in multiple respects also plays a role
People sure love their underdog success story

[frozen herald]

At least they fixed the blood effects

[frozen herald]

They have been for years at this point

It is great but it is way too much (the milking)

[frozen herald]

I don’t see the point of it either tbh

It’s like remixing a movie, no one really does that

[frozen herald]

TLOU1 remake remastered technically, launching for PS6 with 4K120

[worldly helm]

oh right

if intergalatic flops

cant wait for remaster remake remaster

[frozen herald]

I bet they are already starting work on part 3, “franchises” don’t work if no new games

Also if they go past the games in the show that will be ass

[mild flume]

Currently playing part 1 and not part 2
But anyone else find the game can freeze for like 5 seconds at a time?

Doesn't happen that often but still annoying

[frozen herald]

nope

played through whole game, think had 1 momentary freeze that i'm assuming was shader related where it froze for a full second or so

only remember 1 crash but i was forcing dlss4 so probably that

[glossy trellis]

Never happened to me

[mild flume]

Yeah I've had 1 crash and like 4 or 5 momentary freezes, probably about 8 hours of gametime.
Also forcing DLSS4 so maybe that. Or might try without my GPU undervolt.

[mild flume]

Finally got around to rewatching the DF content. Apparently while patching the game (Part 1) they reduced the initial shader compilation time but now the game misses shaders and will stutter because of that. RIP

[vestal igloo]

its still long af

[mild flume]

I would honestly just let it take any length of time to guarantee smooth performance.
I remember how long it took to install MGS4 on a PS3 from disk 😂

[glossy trellis]

it was fixed in the next patch

[mild flume]

Where did you see that? Because game still seems to exhibit shader compilation stutter for me but not 100% sure if that's what it is.

[glossy trellis]

Might be corrupted shader cache?
I've replayed the game before part 2 dropped and so no such issues

[mild flume]

No, I deleted and recompiled after clean driver install just to be sure.

Damn ok... I have a 9800X3D so shouldn't be having issues.
What was your general set up? Vsync? Frame limiter? Max settings?

[glossy trellis]

12600k, ~ high settings, vsync, capped to 60

That said, that was before nixxies ported their "optimalizations" from Part 2, so they might have broke something again

[mild flume]

Most of the small stutters I saw would probably be masked by Vsync but yeah doesn't explain the 4 or 5 big drops I've seen

Lol could be

Also I'm using basically all ultra settings since that's what I got defaulted to, could be some max setting that's putting huge strain on CPU

[wicked lintel]

the game is very heavy on the CPU. I remember when I played with unlocked framerate, my CPU was running really hot the whole time

though I didn't have any issues with shader related stutters or in fact, it was pretty much completely stutter free

7800X3D btw, so very similar CPU I guess

[glossy trellis]

@mild flume as a sanity check and went back and recorded the first few min of the intro on 12600k, 32gb ram and 5070ti
Everything maxed except for volumetrics at medium, 1440p
https://youtu.be/JUZbZt8US10

The bit with zombie breaking through the window was specifically outlined in the DF video, but it's smooth on my end

Fresh shader cache obviously, just left the game to finish the compilation

[mild flume]

Increase in cpu load when zombie first hits the window but yeah stutter is probably not subjectively visible there. You do have one stutter on a camera cut into a cutscene which doesn't seem that bad.

Thank you for the test, very interesting but hard for me to say if it's better than my setup without seeing a more demanding scene eg. When they're running around later in the intro.

[lusty chasm]

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