✅RenoDX: MH Wilds

[indigo stratus]

Quality

[glacial plank]

interesting

[indigo stratus]

Yeah the higher the series the lower the impact, which makes sense, what i read so far, its quite unusable for 20 Series users

[glacial plank]

that's amazing

forced preset M for now, will try it in games

would be amazing to see full bencchmark comparisons soon on YT

hoping that the infamous K fog issue is gone

tried looking at hellblade 2 on new preset but the game already looked amazing so it's hard to see the differences xD

without switching back and forth, but that doesn't sound like something cconvenient to do

[indigo stratus]

Well mh wilds was notorious for the fog problem and it is almost completely gone

In also interested in the actuall difference between the L letter and how it scales with higher quality levels

Also one more thing would be older games like the Witcher III

[glacial plank]

either way that's kinda unexpected by them to release it without any caveat, like only being available for 5xxx

[indigo stratus]

You know I'm not an Nvidia shill, just a guy who likes tech but even back in the day when people complained that 30 Series does not get Frame gen and now 40 Series does not get Multi Frame Gen, I actually believe them that it's just not worth it cause the RT Cores are just not up to par or the performance is too bad

[glacial plank]

maybe, or input delay would be too bad so it would create bad rep

seeing 4x FG performing quite well makes me want a 50xx gpu more but I think waiting for 6 or 7 series is smarter

[indigo stratus]

I was never interested in multi frame Gen until they mentioned that you can set a fps cap (monitor refresh rate) and it just auto adjusts it, this is a dream come true, but the upgrade to a 5090 is so not worth so I am gonna wait for the next Series

My 5800x3d is also still going strong

[glacial plank]

this was already possible with Lossless Scaling tho, they are basically copying that functionality in their architecture

which is pretty smart since their FG will likely perform a lot better in comparison as it's native

[indigo stratus]

Yeah LS is a godsend for many things

[glacial plank]

btw one thing I'm still curious about, they said something about G-sync improvements too

does it affect oled monitors at all with adaptive sync tho?

seems like no

[indigo stratus]

Where did you see that? I just saw the "Pulsar" stuff, but it's not for Oleds

[cerulean marsh]

Could just be general improvements but likely would not apply to monitors that are not G-sync certified

[glacial plank]

ye it seems more like a thing for IPS

[indigo stratus]

Are those still a thing? With the actual hardware module?

[cerulean marsh]

Yes I believe so, G-sync compatible isn't as good as G-sync certified

[rustic bridge]

4.5 looks impressive

I hope amd will step up their game and improve their FS4 model

[thin fjord]

FSR4 didn't have the awful issue with transparent effects, I was jealous of it for a bit

[rustic bridge]

have you tried dlss 4.5 in mhw?

[thin fjord]

not yet

updating Luma first

[rustic bridge]

I'm searching videos on youtube but people showcase different games

[light crest]

Do you guys also get flickering shadows on trees? Can't tell if it's new DLSS or I just didn't notice before

[mossy swallow]

It is intended for Preset M to be used on any DLSS mode. The image is leaning towards SHARP

[mossy swallow]

shadows flicker a lot due to SSAO weirdness in my experiencie, it's not related to DLSS because I would disable upscaling and still see the shadow instability

there's a lot of weirdness that's there on native. Like when I was testing this morning, traveled to the stormy night in the desert and noticed blurry as hell grass/branches.
Disabled DLSS and it was less blurry, but still pretty bad looking

[light crest]

Yeah seems like this is just a Wilds thing

[cerulean marsh]

FSR had some transparency issues with Wilds too, weird fuzzy blurry looking grass

Will probably be fixed in the full release of 4.5

[magic nexus]

More severe on RTX 20/30 series cards, not very noticeable on 40/50 series cards. DLSS 4.5 models use FP8 which the older gens don't support, so the performance impact is exacerbated there.

A new driver was released with a specific mention of DLSS 4.5 support

[glacial plank]

pretty sure you just haven't noticed it, I noticed it one time too and thought something is wrong with my driver lol

the game is really a disaster

[light crest]

Yeah, seems to be more noticeable at lower resolutions

[thin fjord]

been there forever, not sure if more noticeable now.

but it's pretty jarring, it gets better on highest shadow settings

[pine cedar]

yea i also have flickering shadows in trees even with no upscaling or with fsr4

https://streamable.com/u430r9

very noticeable during Plenty/Daytime in scarlet forest 🥀

[cerulean marsh]

This is why I just don't look up at the canopy

[silk blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-say-what-look-glare-cartoon-gif-17244555

Finish that fish quest

[cerulean marsh]

just did some testing. The artifacting never seemed that bad before this most recent update

[pine cedar]

yeah those artifacts are what I see when I was still on 1080p. now its the same with 1440p xd

[thin fjord]

Probably something they change to gain performance

[fading cape]

"performance"

[thin fjord]

right

[fading cape]

oh yeah no i've noticed that flickering for a while now

nothing new

much easier to see with their default fog settings

they gotta cover up their mess

[pine cedar]

this is what i hate the most

[thin fjord]

Ah yeah it's worst in the basin

[silk blaze]

I thought it was just me but in the oil basin area I noticed the shimmering floor there. This happened after the TU4 update.

[thin fjord]

The oil has this screen space noise

[pine cedar]

yup the whole floor there is like that

its so bad

[thin fjord]

Have no idea what is supposed to be

[pine cedar]

theres a mod that disables those, but the game looks flat

https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/2368?tab=files

[silk blaze]

I do get flickering occasionally in certain angles at the hub area. I am not sure about the sky since I never look up and my setting is set low for it

[pine cedar]

do you guys use raytracing? i find the raytraced water reflections bad

[spark plaza]

no

[silk blaze]

I use high or what ever the highest ray trace is. I did recently turn on water ripples. I usually had it off because it looked bad.

[spark plaza]

look worse than raster

[pine cedar]

also the water in wilds has this weird pixelation

checkerboard pattern

idk if its visible on 4k but im at 1440p

[silk blaze]

I would need to check out later if ray trace or the ripple has to do with it. I thought it was just the streamline being slow.

I did notice it was worse when adjusting lower dlss upscaling.

I play on performance but ultra made it worse. DLAA it was slightly there but not too bad.

[pine cedar]

still looks weird with RT. 1440p native

what a messed up game

[merry tartan]

There’s missing geometry that’s pretty important in the forest, yeah. But re engines SSR is genuinely some of the worst so there’s no winning. I just keep RT on

[fading cape]

Same

The performance hit atleast isn’t that bad

[silk blaze]

RT on wilds is one of the few generous ones I've played. I think I lose about 10 frames or so compared to other games.

It isn't the best looking but it is just another graphic option at that point.

[pine cedar]

yep rt in wilds mostly only affects reflections

[zinc sapphire]

you tried it with RT on?

[pine cedar]

yeah still there. weird though is before tu4 or some update, enabling RT removes these GI artifacts

[zinc sapphire]

yeah I recalled RT helping with it

I haven't played in like half a year

[pine cedar]

i just installed this mod and it somehow looks better imo

some objects have no lighting anymore tho but for me it looks better

[magic nexus]

Couple days late but if you open up this mods script you can change this value to something between 0.0 and 1.0. I wouldn't turn it completely off because of that, but you can reduce it and still have objects get light while also having less noticeable circular reflections

[indigo stratus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MHWilds/comments/1qd8570/truly_wild_if_true/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[silk blaze]

https://discord.com/channels/1161035767917850784/1300713599978700841 🤔

Just trying to get all the non Renodx MHW chatter in that channel.

All the reno talk should be at https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1410855640112566375/threads/1451965513671508110/1451965513671508110 tbh

[indigo stratus]

I honestly did not know someone posted it already, I barley look into the other channel since this one is the more "technical" one

[rustic bridge]

lol

that's wilds if dlc checker is the faulty one

i was expecting bloated texture streaming

[sonic thicket]

probably both

[rustic bridge]

a lot of worker jobs thrown to the cpu

they could easily optimize their pipeline and boost our fps

[sonic thicket]

Seems to be limited to camp areas as well

At least from independent testing

[late marten]

How are ppl usinf Filmic ? Its sooo dark

Are there any perfect settings for the RenoDX menu ? Ive been using vanilla+ but changed my peak to 1130 matching my monitor and changed saturation from 50 to 56

I don't wanna use no reshade presets, just RenoDX

[late marten]

filmic is just tooo dark

Vanila plus is ugly

[thin fjord]

try vanilla but pre-grade maybe

or tweak some settings

[spark plaza]

wasnt looking like that for me

[late marten]

Well thats filmic

Not using any reshade presets, i don't like fan made presets, i just want the game hdr to be fixed with RenoDX but the only options are both bad

[spark plaza]

the filmic preset shouldn't look like that

[late marten]

And im not an expert on how to set it up, in resident evil games i just install it and it enchants the hdr, in wilds i dont know whats going on

[thin fjord]

filmic looks great for me and both look better than native SDR or HDR.

what is your peak brightness and game brightness set to here?

[merry tartan]

Yeah neither of those screenshots look right. Are you using any other mods?

Maybe vanilla looks normal I’m not sure, on phone, but filmic is never crushed like that, or shouldn’t be.

[fading cape]

Those images aren't even in hdr are they

[late marten]

They are

[thin fjord]

do you see the peak brightness and brightness setting in the renodx options?

[late marten]

Yes

Mine is set to 1130 peak brightness matching my monitor

[late marten]

Im using alot of mods, none has anything to do with RenoDX, just armor replacements

[merry tartan]

are you using the post processing removal mod?

or anything that modifies anything the engine is doing

[late marten]

No, modder says its no longer needed

[late marten]

Just armor mods

[fading cape]

the images are sdr jpgs are you not using reshades screenshot tool

[late marten]

How do i do that ?

"Take a screenshot using reshade tool"

[fading cape]

the settings tab at the top of the reshade menu should have something that looks like this

[late marten]

Oh!!!

[fading cape]

it shows you what key you have to press to take a screenshot and where it'll be placed

[late marten]

I used F12

FROM STEAM

gonna use this as soon as im on pc tomorrow and will share here

[fading cape]

Yeah i was wondering hardly any screenshot programs take jpg as default

[cerulean marsh]

It shouldn't be that dark though

filmic is still nice and bright for me

[silk blaze]

Idk for me the exposure type/exposure strength/lut exposure reverse all stopped working about 3 weeks ago. With the latest version of reno. I tried doing a clean reshade install with no luck.

[late marten]

vanilla is very bright and kinda washed ? filmic is very dark espically at night

My monitor is an AOC Q27G3XMN and my HDR is not set to game its set to DisplayHDR

Only using disable lens as a visual mod

My peak brightness is set to 1130 matching my monitor calibrated settings

Auto HDR is off

Generic depth runtime sync are both off

Anything im doing wrong ? Because i really like filmic smooth look and colors but its tooo dark

high preset changed upscaling to (performance) for the 4.5 new feature, used dlss swapper to swap to preset M

I did not touch anything here

[late marten]

super green

super dark

[late marten]

this was the problem........it was 203 by default and i maxed it to 500

[dense knot]

@merry tartan Did you merge the latest mh wilds changes?

[thin fjord]

Ah nice, you found the issue

[merry tartan]

Not to shortfuses yet

It’s in my main branch though

[distant oar]

I dont think thats the main issue. it should look fairly bright at 203nits.
Game Brightness should be set according to this table:

[barren grotto]

Hi! Um How would I set up RenoDX to make stuff visible at night?

[late marten]

If you're using Filmic i suggest pumping game brightness from 203 to 500 personally it helped me

[thin fjord]

there has to be another issue here, seems like a lot of people getting overly darkened image

[late marten]

I'll show you a before n after, somehow thats why my game was too dim

[thin fjord]

by a lot I mean more than 1

this is me on filmic ~150 nits

[barren grotto]

Using filmic preset atm, sadly even with 500 brightness the 'dark' stuff stay crushed.

Only by changing Contrast to an absurd low like 30 + changing to Vanilla exposure type w/100 Strength allows me to see some more detail.

(Could be relevant) Visual mods I'm using:

• No Weapon Glow
• Beauty Light (reduced to 10% intensity)
• Fake Player Light Remover
• Disable Post Processing Effects (Settings appended)
• Disable GI Reflections (edited to 0.3)
• Disable lens distortion

[thin fjord]

try removing one by one and testing start with disable post processing, also try enabling film grain in disable post-processing#1347155473266114580 message

[barren grotto]

Sadly that didn't work 😢
I've gone through them one by one until I disabled all of them, including just disabling "disable post processing" completely.

Would you think one of my .config variables could be causing this? I'm using like a performance config, and it probably disables film grain there.

[distant oar]

Yes it makes the game brighter but the main problem is not solved this way. You would not need to turn it up all the way if your RenoDx was working correctly. It seems like an issue with another mod

[distant oar]

Have you tried restarting the game after disableing all mods?

[barren grotto]

Yes, I tend to close the game first before modifying my game.
Let me try restarting the PC maybe?

[distant oar]

I remember that some people had problems when using the Disable Post Processing mod with RenoDx a few months ago. Other mods that affect similar things could also cause problems

[thin fjord]

also just to be sure, are you guys on AMD or nvidia

I remember there were some AMD specific bugs at some point

[distant oar]

I would probably backup all mods and then remove them from the game (Also REframework scripts and other stuff that was modified). After that RenoDx should work and you can try to add mods 1 by 1 to identify the one that causes the problem

[barren grotto]

Nvidia~~
Alright lemme try that.

I'm also using Tex Decompressor so let me check if restoring the default one fixes it.

Edit: It wasn't Tex Decompressor.
Let me try installing all my mods in a batch of 5 (not just visual mods), hopefully it's a mod issue.

[late marten]

Removed all mods, nothing changed, filmic on 203 game brightness is soooo dim like a phone screen that is about to sleep

[thin fjord]

I also use text decompress, so shouldn't be that

[thin fjord]

how much dimmer compared to the image I sent? My image is at 150 nits

[late marten]

What image ?

[knotty cypress]

table is nonsense and should be ignored

well not nonsense but should be though of as a minimum ratio

[thin fjord]

#1347155473266114580 message

[knotty cypress]

like if you have 1000 peak, setting paper white above 203 is reducing dynamic range to less than ideal

[silk blaze]

That looks more like some mod is conflicting or the shaders did not compile right. The things are literally just black rather than being too dark tbh.

Have you tried deleting your shader.cache2 file in the main directory.

[barren grotto]

Yes, it only looks like this at night/dark locations.
If I do change the color grading values, it allows me to see the details, but in consequence it makes everything look super washed out due to the crazy values.

Atm trying to check if any of the mods I'm using are the cause.

[silk blaze]

Simplest way would just to disable all of them except reshade and reframework.

[barren grotto]

It seems to be Tweak Volumetric Fog (?), I'm not completely sure.
It might have something to do with how Volumetric Fog adds a kind of white overlay almost to the game due to it being on top of the screen, which somehow adds some detail to textures by elevating the blacks.
I don't have anymore time atm, but I'll try changing the settings of it tomorrow and testing . I also haven't tried disabling catlib so it could still be that, but so far Tweak Volumetric Fog is the only one that has had a quantifiable difference.

[thin fjord]

I can share my tweak volumetric fog settings I also use that mod

[fading cape]

Filmic / Vanilla / Vanilla Pre Grade Exposure

mines hella dark too lol

Filmic / Vanilla

also jesus christ

i do have mods on so maybe it's that but i doubt it

lmao

updated reframework and disabled all mods bedides it and same thing nvm some mods stayed for some reason after disbling on mod manager

[thin fjord]

delete the storage folder every time you change your mods

[fading cape]

why

i just forgot to install some mods via mod manager so when i turned it off it just stayed

[thin fjord]

sometimes reframework restore stuff from the storage folder

[fading cape]

oh nah just user error

ima tryna wait till the same time to see if it's changed rn

[thin fjord]

does it look not super dark anymore?

[fading cape]

it looks promising

no time skip for grand hub for some reason

[fading cape]

filmic / vanilla / vanilla pre-grade fixed exposure / vanilla pre grade

it seems to be fixed exposure that is crushing the blacks i forgot to get a pic with vanilla exposure

filmic / vanilla / vanilla pre-grade fixed exposure / vanilla pre grade

turning off mods did seem to help the clipping but blacks are still being crushed

with fixed exposure on

vanilla preset still jank like always though

im not waiting another hour to get pics with vanilla exposure on your just gonna have to take my word for it lol maybe later

[thin fjord]

does raising the shadows in renodx help?

[fading cape]

that's the reason i set it to vanilla before adding the pregrade and fixed exposure

so that it resets it back to default

vanilla doesn't crush blacks but change one setting (fixed exposure on) and it starts crushing them

The post-grade setting seems to worsen clipping while the fixed exposure setting worsens black crush

tldr

wait

no fixed exposure does both i think

idk i have to look at it again

ima try to get better screenshots with everything

ill send in the actual renodx server i forgot about that lol

[distant oar]

I'm sorry, I did not want to spread false information. I always thought that PW set according to this table gives the best balance between average brightness and dynamic range.

[knotty cypress]

IMO just find an average brightness you think looks good

[distant oar]

So this makes sense because you trade increased average brightness for more dynamic range which should result in a better HDR experience if you are happy with the PW nits right?

Just asking for my own understanding

[late marten]

default 203

max 500

looks alot better, i dont see any visual loss personally but im no expert

203 brightness

500

default value looks like my phone when its on low battery

[late marten]

my monitor supports up to 1000 i used 203 but its too dim, 500 pushes my monitor to its limit which looks really good day and night

[fading cape]

might as well just put it on sdr mode and turn ur monitor brightnes up it's the same thing

but it's still reno ig so you get better colors

highlights lose their punch when everything is blinding

[merry tartan]

this is what the game looks like for me too 🤷

maybe there's some new in-game setting dependency

[fading cape]

well it wasn't bloom cause i already tried that

[merry tartan]

could be any of the post processing options really

[fading cape]

you saying the setting could be causing the crushing?

[merry tartan]

yeah idk I just went through and tried every post processing option and there was no change

[fading cape]

i can try to look at that area to see if maybe it was just the grand hub i was having issues with

it also does depend on time of day a bit

in this case it might just be caused by the player light remover mod they had on

[merry tartan]

grand hub does just kinda look like ass at least in this time of day

with vanilla+

[fading cape]

it's always looked like ass imo ngl

[merry tartan]

it's not ideal

game is just so cooked visually

I just don't know what's goin on with this sky

we really gotta redo this mod. We could definitely do better now

[fading cape]

before dlc atleast lol

[merry tartan]

okay I'm now in the gathering hub at night, it's just cooked

let me see if I fucked something up in whatever shader loads here

[fading cape]

I can't really get it to look as cooked as that image

not great but i think that pitch balck thing was just the player light remover mod or one of the other various visual mods

lol didn't even realize i got alma waving to me in the screenshot

[barren grotto]

Started testing again, in my case, it really is only the Tweak Volumetric Fog that has any effect.
Disabling "Player Light & Beauty Light Remover" doesn't help with the crushed blacks.

I might have to just disable Tweak Volumetric Fog completely or adjust it to cover near the camera as well.

[fading cape]

damn

my favorite mod

oh yeah immediatly my game looks awful in opening cutscene in opening game with tweaks mod

This isn't even in filmic it doesn't change much

not as cooked though

honestly it might just make it easier to see it

idek

[merry tartan]

keep in mind very little testing has gone into this

but this should broadly be more reasonable

also this build adds dithering but it doesn't do much of anything about the source of the worst banding

HDR now looks more in line with the SDR mode I tweaked

damn nights are still fucking cooked on filmic

possibly worse

vanilla looks better though

[fading cape]

Filmic / Vanilla / Vanilla Pre Grade / Vanilla Pre Grade & Fixed Exposure / Vanilla Fixed Exposure

old build with mods on

testing black crush outside grand hub possibly cause by fog tweaks

[merry tartan]

that build may or may not be a net win 🤷

this has successfully annoyed me seeing how bad the hub area is, so I'll try redoing things tomorrow

[fading cape]

im not convinced fog tweaks is affecting it all

[silk blaze]

I don't think so. I never had the mod installed up until a maybe a week ago. What I see now on my end is the same before the mod.

[barren grotto]

Yeah, it might not be the thing too hmmm.
But although It's quite subtle, it's substantial enough for me that I could actually differentiate stuff on Gore.

Pic 1: Tweak Volumetric Fog (On) [Mostly removed near fog]

• It's literally just black except for highlights and direcly lit up parts.

Pic 2: Tweak Volumetric Fog (Off) [Default Volumetric Fog]

• Even without highlights and direct lighting, I can make out the details, especially on his batman cape.

[silk blaze]

Old build but random sections Looks the same but a bit darker than it used to be before TU4.

But for you all to have almost black monsters something has to be up.

[late marten]

cant see nothing

its def def the game brightness

203 is unplayable to me

ok these are the best settings so far

for me

[rustic bridge]

that's kaine cosplay 😄

[late marten]

Turns out filmic is already perfect and all i needed to do was switch exposure type from fixed to vanilla

Man why didn't nobody tell me

[cerulean marsh]

birb. That's all

[fading cape]

hate that mf

end game boss right there

[cerulean marsh]

There is a 9 star version now

[thin fjord]

it was a fun hunt the 9 star version

only attack I really hate is the one were it drags it faces trough the entire floor

[cerulean marsh]

Yeah its just feels wayyy too slow and has so much tracking

[merry tartan]

filmic preset hasn't been redone or anything, it's just not here anymore. I might make something new for it, unsure

the sliders are still there though, so people can do similar things

[thin fjord]

need @distant oar to play around with the settings maybe

[merry tartan]

everybody should expect sliders to behave differently than they used to btw

[distant oar]

I will take a look at it. This sounds exciting

[merry tartan]

this game with the devkit loaded makes 32 GB of RAM fucking cry 😭

and that makes me cry

why RAM so expensive

(rhetorical)

[distant oar]

[thin fjord]

contrast 80 too high, otherwise looks good. will test it with fixed exposure. waiting for the hub to get dark

[merry tartan]

Fixed exposure still has a lot of clipping issues

Just to put that out there

Their grading pipeline is a mess. We may try doing something more custom in the future

[distant oar]

How long did it take to rewrite it?

And was there a big reason that caused the rewrite or did you simply decide that it can be further improved?

[thin fjord]

he updated the tonemapper to Hermite Spline, so I am guessing he reworked stuff around that

[merry tartan]

A good couple few hours, me and ritsu both worked on it. Almost everything was redone. The old mod was a lot of magic numbers and this is a bit more grounded in what the game is doing.

I suppose I can write a proper changelog for it

[distant oar]

Ok thanks, that sounds like a nice improvement. This way it should probably also be easier to make further improvements in the future.
Thanks for putting all this work into this

[merry tartan]

Forgot that editing a forward isn’t possible

[merry tartan]

feel like I should probably put another preset in the mod before posting to nexus...

always weird when someone updates something and it seems like there's "less"

[distant oar]

Yeah, especially with the people on nexus. I remember a lot of people that claimed the newer version were worse

This is my first attempt at a new preset. Still needs some work, there are probably some things that need adjustment. Just trying to get a good starting point.

Maybe Highlight saturation is better at 60

[magic nexus]

Looks good

Damn a bunch of different settings now

[distant oar]

One of the screenshots looks a bit crushed. I compared my game to the screenshot opened in SKIV and seems to only look this way in the screenshot. My ReShade Screenshots look a bit darker and I dont know why

But there could be other problems I still need to test other scenes

[magic nexus]

That's for SDR? like a fake HDR?

[knotty cypress]

its for hdr, its just a boosted contrasted/saturation preset

to fit peoples conception of what hdr should be

[distant oar]

Goodbye ReFramework scripts. Finally.

New HDR Look preset is also looking good

I also just noticed the fixed exposure clipping in my preset

[thin fjord]

thinking just keeping vanilla exposure but using pre-grade might be the way to go

[fading cape]

yeah fixed exposure still broke

this is comparing the preset i had before to new hdr look

idk which i like more

saturation was a bit much so i lowered it a bit

[merry tartan]

in this case it's also changing how their grading gets applied and we also change their tonemap params. The game needs help...

though the grading is subjective

I just think the game is ugly

[fading cape]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-tv-show-it's-peak-sad-gif-8715873398474566351

yeah i think hdr look just clips a bit more than mine so im stick with mine lol

sorry im just using discord as a easy way to compare images at this point

[merry tartan]

hdr look does not hold up with lava

this is why I'm holding off on nexus for a bit lol

[magic nexus]

sweet ill try that now

[merry tartan]

realizing I should probably not name the preset hdr look when it works in SDR too

filmic is a silly name though

[rustic bridge]

new reno 😮

i forgot to decompress the textures on the last update

it's faster, smoother now

i'm on high textures but somehow the game still uses the dlc pak

[thin fjord]

you gotta uninstall the dlc in steam

[rustic bridge]

yup done, I can't believe how unoptimized the engine is. It was streaming the dlc pak for absolutely nothing!

[rustic bridge]

I tried this and the cpu usage skyrocketed. in the grand hub
old reno: 40% cpu, stable fps
new reno: 70-80% cpu + stutters, less fps, unstable fps

[thin fjord]

force clear shader cache

[rustic bridge]

i did, that's the metrics with fresh shader cache

[merry tartan]

The game compiles shaders in the background now. New Reno would force that to happen again

[fading cape]

If you ask me hdr look is the silly one lol

filmic makes more since

not if you actually thing about films though lmao

[merry tartan]

hdr look is consistent with other renodx mods at least 😩

new preset is kinda cooked in low light

[fading cape]

Maybe "Vivid"?

or "Enhanced"?

[fading cape]

try mine

[merry tartan]

gonna have to update the preset again to drop sat and blowout. I wish the highlight sat slider behaved differently

maybe I should customize it. At least for this game, I want it to rolloff at the brightest highlights

as is it's basically unuseable if you pick pregrade, other than lowering it (which is aggressive)

[fading cape]

or fixed exposure

that was the issue with it in the first place

[merry tartan]

eh, fixed exposure is super compromised regardless

it's a shame cause when it looks good it looks really good lol

[fading cape]

a rolloff would be nice though

it was acting like it wasn't even tonemapped when changing highlights and contrast

I want to look at the new addon but i gotta take care of some shit first

[merry tartan]

fixed exposure still gets tonemapped, it's just too bright to reasonably compress

[rustic bridge]

The precompiled shaders are done on boot though. I waited for minutes on my poor 8c/16t cpu.

the new reno produced a 200MB cache

[merry tartan]

they shortened the process at boot by doing the rest of it in the background while playing

[rustic bridge]

so my game was just cooking shaders?

[merry tartan]

yeah

if you delete the cache file and uninstall reno you'll see the same behavior

[rustic bridge]

i'll let it cook longer then

[merry tartan]

it can take quite a while

[rustic bridge]

up to 20min for my cpu

that's what i used to wait on launch

[fading cape]

you can edit the config.ini and change ecoshadercache=true to false to turn off background compilation

that's what i did

it goes way to slow when in the background also it's hard to till when it's done

[fading cape]

@merry tartan what was wrong with the firespring anyway i didn't check

[merry tartan]

bright red was deep fried and homogenous

[fading cape]

oh like the during inclemency?

is that what you mean by firespring?

[merry tartan]

yeah

did a hunt during it

[fading cape]

this?

idk looks fine to me so im not sure where you were talking about

the color lut strength does need to be lowered because of this area

[merry tartan]

nah when you go down into the hunt areas

[cerulean marsh]

I wonder if this rewrite will fix Lilium's shaders actually detecting HDR

I have tried reinstalling everything, updating/downgrading drivers

And for some reason it just won't detect an HDR colorspace

[fading cape]

Is the hdr not on for windows and the game?

[cerulean marsh]

Hdr is on for both, trying enabling and disabling both

[merry tartan]

this is probably the real 4.0 release

I cooked if I do say so myself. The local exposure controls are nice

[thin fjord]

is it like a multiplier on the exposure?

[merry tartan]

pretty much yeah. It's kinda like tonemapping in and of itself

fixed exposure before was a hack to bypass it basically

basically this is what I'm doing

float LocalExposureCalc(float4 color, LocalExposureInputs inputs) {
  float _971;
  float4 _956 = color;
  if (!(inputs.useAutoExposure == 0)) {
    int4 _967 = asint(inputs.WhitePtSrv[16 / 4]);
    _971 = asfloat(_967.x);
  } else {
    _971 = 1.0f;
  }
  float _972 = _971 * inputs.exposureAdjustment;
  float _983 = log2(dot(float3(((_972 * _956.x) * inputs.rangeDecompress), ((_972 * _956.y) * inputs.rangeDecompress), ((_972 * _956.z) * inputs.rangeDecompress)), float3(0.25f, 0.5f, 0.25f)) + 9.999999747378752e-06f);
  float2 _993 = inputs.BilateralLuminanceSRV.SampleLevel(inputs.BilinearClamp, float3(inputs.texcoord.x, inputs.texcoord.y, ((((inputs.LEBilateralGridScale * _983) + inputs.LEBilateralGridBias) * 0.984375f) + 0.0078125f)), 0.0f);
  float _998 = inputs.BlurredLogLumSRV.SampleLevel(inputs.BilinearClamp, float2(inputs.texcoord.x, inputs.texcoord.y), 0.0f);
  float _1001 = select((_993.y < 0.0010000000474974513f), _998.x, (_993.x / _993.y));
  float _1007 = (inputs.LEPreExposureLog + _1001) + ((_998.x - _1001) * 0.6000000238418579f);
  float _1008 = inputs.LEPreExposureLog + _983;
  float _1011 = _1007 - inputs.LEMiddleGreyLog;
  float _1023 = exp2((((select((_1011 > 0.0f), inputs.LEHighlightContrast, inputs.LEShadowContrast) * _1011) - _1008) + inputs.LEMiddleGreyLog) + (inputs.LEDetailStrength * (_1008 - _1007)));
  return _1023;
}

float LocalExposureCalcRare(float4 color, LocalExposureInputs inputs) {
  float _45;
  float4 _25 = color;
  float _31 = inputs.rangeDecompress * _25.x;
  float _32 = inputs.rangeDecompress * _25.y;
  float _33 = inputs.rangeDecompress * _25.z;
  if (!((uint)(inputs.useAutoExposure) == 0)) {
    int4 _41 = asint(inputs.WhitePtSrv[16 / 4]);
    _45 = asfloat(_41.x);
  } else {
    _45 = 1.0f;
  }
  float _46 = _45 * inputs.exposureAdjustment;
  float _52 = log2(dot(float3((_46 * _31), (_46 * _32), (_46 * _33)), float3(0.25f, 0.5f, 0.25f)) + 9.999999747378752e-06f);
  float _58 = inputs.screenInverseSize.x * (inputs.texcoord.x + 0.5f);
  float _59 = inputs.screenInverseSize.y * (inputs.texcoord.y + 0.5f);
  float2 _69 = inputs.BilateralLuminanceSRV.SampleLevel(inputs.BilinearClamp, float3(_58, _59, ((((inputs.LEBilateralGridScale * _52) + inputs.LEBilateralGridBias) * 0.984375f) + 0.0078125f)), 0.0f);
  float _74 = inputs.BlurredLogLumSRV.SampleLevel(inputs.BilinearClamp, float2(_58, _59), 0.0f);
  float _77 = select(((_69.y) < 0.0010000000474974513f), _74.x, ((_69.x) / (_69.y)));
  float _83 = (inputs.LEPreExposureLog + _77) + ((_74.x - _77) * 0.6000000238418579f);
  float _84 = inputs.LEPreExposureLog + _52;
  float _87 = _83 - inputs.LEMiddleGreyLog;
  float _99 = exp2((((select((_87 > 0.0f), inputs.LEHighlightContrast, inputs.LEShadowContrast) * _87) - _84) + inputs.LEMiddleGreyLog) + (inputs.LEDetailStrength * (_84 - _83)));
  return _99;
}

float LocalExposure(float4 color, LocalExposureInputs inputs, bool rare = false) {

  inputs.LEHighlightContrast = lerp(1.0f, inputs.LEHighlightContrast, CUSTOM_LOCAL_EXPOSURE_HIGHLIGHTS);
  inputs.LEShadowContrast = lerp(1.0f, inputs.LEShadowContrast, CUSTOM_LOCAL_EXPOSURE_SHADOWS);
  inputs.LEMiddleGreyLog = lerp(log2(0.18f), inputs.LEMiddleGreyLog, CUSTOM_LOCAL_EXPOSURE_MID_GREY);
  inputs.LEDetailStrength = lerp(1.0f, inputs.LEDetailStrength, CUSTOM_LOCAL_EXPOSURE_DETAIL);
  if (!rare) return LocalExposureCalc(color, inputs);
  return LocalExposureCalcRare(color, inputs);
}```

this was a pain in the ass honestly, not even because of this code, but because of how many times it's called and different permutations use different slots for textures and cbuffers

I had basically refactored the whole mod to make this easier before realizing that was a problem, then had to do it again lol

realized I forgot to test if gliding worked correctly. I guess people will have to let me know if the flashing issue rears its head again.

[thin fjord]

ah yeah, I have that issue with the output shaders in ff7. I have been meaning to refactor that mess and add support for downsampling since some handheld users been requesting support.

but I have 6 HDR + 6 SDR output shaders and have to then add the downsample version for each of those 😭

[distant oar]

🔥

[cerulean marsh]

Everything appears to function for me

Though Monster Hunter Wilds doesn't detect the latest amd driver lol

[glacial plank]

Jon is overworking like crazy 🔥 ❤️

[merry tartan]

It’s definitely a hyperfixation right now

[dawn harness]

Us moment.

[merry tartan]

My tonemapper adjustments have problems. Need to figure out the math and that’s not my strength lol.

[magic nexus]

Da goat

[thin fjord]

just non stop peak coming from Jon

[merry tartan]

the peak is at different values every time even

unless I have more ideas for improving this, I might actually be done with this for a while lol

[magic nexus]

i dont have the fancy HDR analyzing tools but I can say I'm pretty happy with the way the game looks now. Might do some more tweaking later.

[fading cape]

that's what he's the goat

[queen girder]

Are these settings in DPPE still correct for the new RenoDX if I want to use both?

[amber blade]

Most/all of the sliders in 4.0 (one here / nexus) not working for me. I read that "may not work without resetting settings" so I have reset all the things I can think of - config.ini, testing without any other mods active, resetting within RenoDX itself by hitting Vanilla+ on everything and turning it on/off within reshade itself. Still nothing.

Should it be working or is there something else that needs resetting?

[merry tartan]

I threw up a troubleshooting section in the description of the nexus page

[amber blade]

ok fixed. It was the camera setting of Reframework

though it still works after I toggle it back on

ah its this specific setting

https://imgur.com/1b9tVPg

[merry tartan]

I have a feeling a lot of people were doing this and breaking the old mod too, just in not as obvious ways (color grading sliders would have worked before)

[amber blade]

I only enabled that option recently myself with the previous version as it seemed to make it work better

I did a bunch of tweaking over the past month with such things, here is what I ended up with.

https://imgur.com/a/reno-dx-test-2-16-1-banTeCv

now todo it all over again

[amber blade]

Work in Progress

https://imgur.com/gixELR8

[merry tartan]

I am a liar

[thin fjord]

Some of this fixes are from the re mods. Right?

[amber blade]

apply color grading to lut exposure reverse pregrade color when generated so that it looks good just by flipping the setting

This has fixed the issue I had with it and why I used the Vanilla setting. Previously it would make the game look like it was under a white filter, doesn't anymore.

though there is barely a difference between the two settings now

Vanilla also looks better on first impression also. I'll need to do some more testing but seems regardless of setting distant areas are not whiting out now.

[merry tartan]

It’s extremely scene dependent

Overall it should look a little more natural?

At least I think so

[amber blade]

That I can confirm, especially for pre-grade. That looked very gamey before

main reason I didn't use it

[merry tartan]

It required thoroughly regrading the image. Now I’m just manipulating it so it works a little better with the rest of the pipeline, which does a lot of the work for you.

[amber blade]

not messed with it much yet but what I noticed atm is pre-grade makes light scenes a little darker and dark scenes lighter

[amber blade]

On test version Vignette slider does nothing.

could be all the effects sliders are broke but vignette 100% is

[merry tartan]

Is vignette enabled in game?

[amber blade]

It was not though that didn't matter on prior version

works now

also the effect is far more subtle, even when maxed out.

[amber blade]

not noticing the lut scaling doing anything under pre-grade

seems better under vanilla though

[merry tartan]

Pre grade won’t see much benefit. You can see a little bit of movement with analysis but it’s functionally irrelevant due to how it works.

Might just disable the lut scaling slider when it’s selected.

[woeful silo]

your HDR mod with the dlss 4.5 is a blessing to the eyes thanks a lot

[thin fjord]

which preset are you using M?

[merry tartan]

Has anybody else seen this? I can’t reproduce it. https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/202?tab=bugs

The kill screen one

[woeful valve]

I am experiencing the same issue. This behavior can be reproduced by switching the tone mapper to Hermite spline. However, the display returns to normal when using the Vanilla tone mapper. I've just confirmed that this also occurs in version 4.1.0. Interestingly, RenoDRT (the tone mapper used in version 3.9.1) does not exhibit this problem.

[silk blaze]

Is the issue with any fight on the kill? I personally have the mod that auto skips the kill cam. I can do a quick hunt to see if I get the same thing with the mod on.

[woeful valve]

This issue occurs specifically during the Kill Cam screen at the quest results. It doesn't appear during active gameplay (while hunting monsters); instead, the colors become completely washed out when the game captures a screenshot upon quest completion or return and displays it in the results window. The issue can be reproduced by simply returning from a quest.

[silk blaze]

Hmm I just did one kill with no issue. I'll turn off my mod and see if it does it now after killing a monster.

This is what it looks like at the end screen without the mod but everything else seemed fine. I honestly do not know what the screen should look like. I been using this mod since I started the game.

When the monster is dead and you can walk around the color looked fine to me.

I'll try 4.0.0 and retest but 4.1.0 had no issues.

[woeful valve]

This is my Quest Results screen with the tone mapper set to Hermite spline.

And this is my screen with the Vanilla tone mapper settings.

[merry tartan]

mine consistently looks like this, I did a hunt with the mod and then did another hunt with preset off

I didn't even think to just cancel a hunt though, that will make it easier to compare

the power of suggestion, bug report called it the kill screen so I had to kill the monster lmao

[woeful valve]

And finally, this is the screen with the RenoDRT tone mapper settings.(3.9.1 ver)

[silk blaze]

I am not sure, did was another hunt with 4.0.0 and I guess this is the screen cancelling.

I am going to have to try an even earlier version. I cannot remember the menu screen on the mission what it should look like.

[merry tartan]

honestly feel like this kinda tracks with the general brightness reduction of the mod

[silk blaze]

As long as you see it, you're the one that has to fix it

[merry tartan]

it's possible there's a special shader that pops up just for this screen capture and then disappears again. Tracking that down will be a pain in the ass

one more test, gonna grab a capture with brightness cranked

I think that's all it is

[woeful valve]

Oh, is it simply a matter of turning up the UI brightness...?

[merry tartan]

probably game brightness

before the capture is taken

uncertain

nah I guess it is UI brightness entirely

hm, I guess that would indicate that there is something to fix

[silk blaze]

I usually had it at 350 but been keeping it at 203 lately.

[merry tartan]

knowing that game brightness doesn't impact it might point me in the right direction. Time to search my shader dump

guess I need to check if SDR is broken too

after this recent update, if it's what I'm thinking it might be far more broken than HDR

SDR looks as expected actually

[silk blaze]

🤷‍♂️ we are expecting a patch soon and then more optimization too.

[merry tartan]

eh, hard part is identifying general design patterns in the decompiled code, not editing the shaders once they're solved. Not a waste of time to do it now even if the shader permutations change (the logic stays the same generally)

[fading cape]

imagine they changed all the shader code for the new update

[merry tartan]

yeah SDR looks normal. This is weird....

I have an idea though

[merry tartan]

eh, nvm. I'm still not entirely sure if there's a problem or not

[magic nexus]

The kill screen looked dark for me too, I figured it was just a consequence of other settings getting tweaked. Wilds kill screens always look washed out

[thin fjord]

maybe contact this personhttps://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/1653?tab=files

they got the shader it seems it's a reshade addon

[merry tartan]

oh nice

[thin fjord]

might be worth testing if this itself fixes the issue

[merry tartan]

true yeah

looks like he does a combo of an reframework script and a reshade addon

HDR isn't really supported, he has a jank version that supports it

using reshade to capture a screenshot and feeding that into the game lol

that creates a pretty substantial stutter in HDR in reshade, I'd guess it stalls the game too

[thin fjord]

he at least must know what shader to give the image to, so good chance he has it

[merry tartan]

he has the source code available

[thin fjord]

oh is it useful in any way?

[merry tartan]

no shaders in it

[thin fjord]

sad

[merry tartan]

if they aren't aware of this project, would they even have access to a ps 6.0+ decompiler?

[thin fjord]

fair point

[knotty cypress]

bin2hlsl

[merry tartan]

I guess what that mod tells me is that it's probably game code capturing the screenshot and feeding it into the shaders. So they're doing it with reshade, tonemapping with a separate process entirely (they have a dependency for HDR screenshot tonemapping), and feeding it into the game with reframework

didn't pick apart the code enough to say for sure though

but idk if there's anything I'll be able to do about this. It's just crusty ass screenshots getting tonemapped by something

[merry tartan]

ah true

[woeful silo]

I'm using the latest one on Performance with a 4k display, should I try the other preset?

[thin fjord]

No I was just curious I want to try latest preset as well, so I wanted to know

[wanton belfry]

https://info.monsterhunter.com/wilds/update/en-us/Ver.1.040.03.01.html

[rustic bridge]

i'm curious, did you disable the game vignette to force yours?

[merry tartan]

no, it was just a control for the game's vignette

[amber blade]

I liked the vignette slider in 4.0 and in 4.1 though it was different and more subtle 0-100, I did mess around with values over the vanilla default of 100.

I do normally just have it off though

[merry tartan]

Vignette was the exact same, though it runs before tonemapping and would be affected by tonemapping changes

I’ll just put the slider back for the next real update

[amber blade]

Something functionally changed with it between 4.0>4.1. The results produced were very different. The old 100 was about the same as upping it to 400-500.

though the latter was better. It previously was just a flat black circle blocking out the screen.

[cerulean marsh]

Based fix.

Frame gen was looking so bad these past couple updates which is wild cause modern FSR frame gen is actually pretty based

When you have base 60fps anyway

[merry tartan]

yeah, I didn't want to hunt down any variety of shaders that adjust based on that lens distortion setting when there are perfectly good reframework mods that do it. Ritsu talked sense into me lol

[cerulean marsh]

All good Jon, you're already doing the lords work

[amber blade]

speaking of fix's, update broke it.

I don't know what it broke though, but there is an error.

[thin fjord]

damn

are the textures fixed tho?

[hallow plank]

They definitely made some major changes... my 1% lows are up 20% minimum and almost 50% in some places. Much smoother.

[thin fjord]

yeah textures work

[hallow plank]

4.1 Reno most settings definitely not working, 3.9.1 seems to be mostly if not fully working though.

[amber blade]

The main plains area still a rig killer regardless of what settings you use but my fps in the hub went up by about 10

[magic nexus]

Compared to vanilla or modded with the dlc check remover?

[amber blade]

the latter

[magic nexus]

Very nice

[amber blade]

I have 90 FPS in the training area without Framegen at 5K using DLSS 4.5 Ultra pref L

IIRC thats about 20FPS more than before

[cerulean marsh]

With the kind of kick Jon is on it should be fixed relatively quickly

[thin fjord]

yeah performance is definitely better and no stutter with highest res texture

[amber blade]

only about 10 gig more in size uncompressed

[amber blade]

yup that fixed it

[oak sapphire]

i havent checked yet, is reframework working alright with this update?

[merry tartan]

seems to work fine yeah

[indigo stratus]

Does that mean that high res textures load properly now?

[merry tartan]

they're working well for me now so far

[cerulean marsh]

Anecdotal evidence from myself suggests that the high res textures do appear to be slightly lower quality than before but I don't know if that's the result of an actual degredation in the texture quality or if the full uncompressed textures just look better and that's what I'm used too.

Well now that I put RenoDx back and stuff the texture detail seems more related to Wilds handling FSR's sharpness algorithm pretty poorly

[woeful valve]

Hi! Is anyone else having issues with the fog amount slider?
I noticed that the fog amount slider stops working whenever I turn off Ray Tracing in version 4.2.0. It works fine when RT is on High, but the status changes to WARNING and the slider becomes unresponsive when I turn it off.
I’ve tried regenerating shaders and I don’t have any fog-related mods installed. Is this a known bug, or am I the only one experiencing this? (Please excuse the Korean in my screenshots!)

[errant topaz]

i updated and graphics looks "worse" like blurry, why is that?

[wanton belfry]

Same, way less sharp. Dont know if it was because I updated renodx from like september last year or it is the game. Using DLSS preset L

[errant topaz]

exactly, less sharp, i updated too but since december
using DLAA

like there is some kind of distortion effect on textures

[wanton belfry]

I dont know, have you changed anything with sharpness since december @merry tartan

[merry tartan]

Kinda? Blurred luminance isn’t being skipped anymore since I figured out how it was being used to generate those ringing artifacts. Not skipping it generally looks a little sharper though.

The local exposure detail slider before would have been maxed in old mods but with blurred luminance skipped. I think it’s safe now to disable it in the disable post processing mod now, if someone wanted to.

I thought it looked better the way I did it

[errant topaz]

I see, thank you for the details

[merry tartan]

Now that I’m saying it, I’m not sure if I did a proper a/b comparison of skipping it with detail slider maxed vs not skipping it with detail at 0.

[amber blade]

I too felt something was off with the look of the game since the update, I thought it was todo with the Hi Res Texture back getting a downgrade

[errant topaz]

do you suggest anything to retain the look as the december patch?

[merry tartan]

Pregrade with all local exposure controls at 0 will be close to filmic. May need to drop contrast some too though.

For vanilla, not sure. We were throwing shit against a wall and seeing what stuck

[errant topaz]

thanks :)

[amber blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/136195888983965696/1465931349482274985/Monster_Hunter_Wilds_28_01_2026_04_46_50.png?ex=697ae675&is=697994f5&hm=f62235de36da41a0ec22559c1c98d15409690a56699dda5febc87bbef53c47d9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1646&height=695

[merry tartan]

Same was true for both presets to be clear, but the sliders I mentioned were the characteristics of filmic

[amber blade]

That's what my game looks like atm

[errant topaz]

which settings are you using?

[amber blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/136195888983965696/1465928120316985509/30A20BA4-FEDC-4FED-8D98-E50F8B6836A7.png?ex=697ae373&is=697991f3&hm=9c9fda358979ff6cce0e72f7929d45da494dfcd0258f9401e94cb4c593144afb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=881&height=983

The brightness settings will depend on your monitor

[cerulean marsh]

Bump up RCAS sharpness to about 30

In my own independent eyeballing initially I had felt that the high res texture pack got a downgrade but the vanilla hdr and colorgrading makes everything look so blurry compared to when its all fixed

It looks just as good as previous updates after I got all me settings fixed again.

Although. Its interesting. I don't get brightness adjustment settings on mine

[merry tartan]

That means you’re in SDR

[cerulean marsh]

I cannot get renodx or reshade to recognize HdR

[merry tartan]

Hdr on in windows, enabled in game

[cerulean marsh]

Yup

[merry tartan]

Game must be failing to switch over then

[cerulean marsh]

Though maybe its being weird because I only have it on my main monitor or auto hdr or something

[merry tartan]

Autohdr won’t break it

People have said RTX hdr does though

[cerulean marsh]

I've been having this problem since TU4

[merry tartan]

I’d DDU if you haven’t already

[cerulean marsh]

Honestly, excellent point

I don't think I've done a clean driver install in a hot minute

[amber blade]

speaking of post processing, very important to not disable fog in that now. It fucks it up

disabling fog in post processing tweaks results in it actually being forced on / reno settings being ignored

[tender frost]

Volumetric fog needs to be set highest in game to be recognized by RenoDX other qualities gives a missing shader warning btw

[merry tartan]

oh, weird, I switched the option around and didn't see that, but maybe that was a main menu thing. let me try again

[amber blade]

I still have no idea what RCAS is meant todo

[tender frost]

@merry tartan Now it works -.-

IDK why it did not before

[merry tartan]

there may be other permutations just in general

[tender frost]

but I had to set it to highest first

[amber blade]

Volumetric fog works for me in reno on all the settings

[tender frost]

only then it was picked up

[merry tartan]

hmmm

[amber blade]

but if I disable fog or volumetric fog via post processing effects, everything fucks up

[tender frost]

I disabled all post processing mods

and also did a shader compile as always

anyways it works now

@merry tartan also debanding options adds additional film grain even if I set film grain to 0

Is debanding internally relies on film grain or smth?

[thin fjord]

It's dithering, but shouldn't be visible technically.

Similar concept

Using noise to blend the colors

[tender frost]

I have super eyes 😄

10+2 Dither makes it better though

compared to 8+2

[merry tartan]

it's very slightly visible if you really look for it

tbh the only reason the option is there is because I released a build and forgot to remove it. It doesn't solve much

[tender frost]

I can legit tell 50cm away if I set it to 8+2

[cerulean marsh]

Yeah I did a DDU, even downgraded my drivers to the recommended version to see if that would change anything

Windows HDR enabled, HDR enabled in game. Just doesn't act like it

[merry tartan]

😢

tbh I'm pretty happy with the SDR mode I've got in here now

[cerulean marsh]

Gonna try disabling freesync color accuracy and see if that's doing something

[merry tartan]

would even be kinda ITM friendly if you wanted to go that route lol

[cerulean marsh]

The SDR settings look great. I'm not necessarily unhappy with the way it looks

I just want it to not be broken

[merry tartan]

yeah understandable lol

that would be driving me insane

are you on up to date windows? just curious

[cerulean marsh]

Yeah

On God probably my issue. Should just switch back to Linux

[merry tartan]

RenoDX blurred luminance fix vs disabled blurred luminance

[tender frost]

But the latest version is really nice in general I can achieve close visuals to the old RDT tonemapper when using vanilla lut exposure, the black levels are much more adjustable again. Thanks a lot!

[merry tartan]

disabling blurred luminance is really bad for highlights btw, clips them out even in HDR

[merry tartan]

I'm very happy with it. There have been some people lamenting the loss of filmic and saying they can't get it to look the same, but all the tools are still there, and even better now, so I trust people will find their settings.

literally just doing like, pregrade, 40 contrast, some extra blowout, and all local exposure sliders down is basically filmic from before.

I just don't care to support that preset anymore

[tender frost]

Yeah in the version I complained, the issue was specific the black levels. I could not solve the crushing no matter what. In this version I can tackle it

[merry tartan]

yeah gamma correction was a bad fit with the adjusting tonemapping

which makes sense, emulating that sdr gamma mismatch is just bad math, but it's how most games are made. You stop needing it once you decide you're redoing things lol

[tender frost]

a.k.a over-engineering syndrome 😄

[cerulean marsh]

I thought I found a fix. But my monitor's max refresh rate is higher than this software supports so I can't actually set any custom ranges

Seems to be an issue with Freesync premium from what I've found though. Just don't know why it only started being a problem AFTER TU4

[merry tartan]

I swear the only time I ever hear anything about freesync premium is exclusively how it breaks things and offers nothing in return

[cerulean marsh]

Truth be told I just have it on anyway because it says its supposed to do something

But I haven't played games enough without it on to know if it actually fixes screen tearing

Fun little quirk though. If I try to disable it from adrenaline it just reboots my PC and does nothing

So I have to turn it off from my monitor instead

Crazy. Turning off Freesync premium pro fixed it not detecting HDR

Even though Free sync premium pro is literally meant to be for HDR support

[silk blaze]

RCAS is a sharpening slider that is taken from Lilium's Reshade filters.

[cerulean marsh]

one of the best sharpeners I've seen too

[silk blaze]

I've never had issues with it on my Alienware. I think a lot of people have gsync enabled too. Having it on can cause issues to a freesync premium monitor. Having it on gave bad flickering.

[cerulean marsh]

variable refresh rate is really handy, When it works anyway

[tender frost]

lowkey HDR is a much less reliable feature than VRR. I only had VRR problem once with my AW3423DWF and it was because somehow a driver update disabled it from nvidia control panel -.-

HDR problems however... Oh I had those too many times

[cerulean marsh]

I don't have any issues with either. I do have issues trying to use both at the same time

[fading cape]

this?

dlss L is unusable because of ts

[cerulean marsh]

That's pretty whacky looking.

I don't get anything that looks like that unless I crank film grain

I'll get some ingame screenshots for my set up and settings when I'm not working cause I've been playing with Renodx for a million billion years and I am very proud of the results, but all me settings dead because I did a clean install of wilds pre update to make sure I had no weird issues with mods

And now that I actually have my brightness sliders back its sure to be better

[thin fjord]

It's there if you look, it's some really weird low quality screen space effect, maybe reflections. Makes certain surfaces look like they are boiling or moving when they shouldn't be.

Never seen it look that bad tho

[tender frost]

Does it also happen with profile M?

[fading cape]

Yeah it’s extra bad here I first noticed it on the floor in ice cliffs

[fading cape]

Yes

[tender frost]

damn

now I will not be able to unsee it 😄

[thin fjord]

Happens even at native

Maybe the effect just gets more pronounced depending on the quirks of the dlss preset

[fading cape]

This is what @rare meadow was saying about it

[tender frost]

so an engine issue

[errant topaz]

is it fixable?

[fading cape]

I mean it’s less noticeable on higher presets

[tender frost]

if it is still happening even at native res. I guess not without some involved mod

[fading cape]

I haven’t tested without taa

[tender frost]

does not TAA become disabled with DLSS ?

[fading cape]

Yeah

[errant topaz]

i love modern videogames........

[fading cape]

I’d imagine it’s just awful like that all the time without taa

Since it has no motion vectors

It might just be side effect of dlss by itself though

Performance mode seems usable though if you aren’t paying attention too hard from my limited testing

[thin fjord]

Since praydog and ref guys haven't fixed in general I would assume it's very hard to do.

[errant topaz]

i see, thanks guys

[tender frost]

I miss the old days when fidelity would improve every generation without trade-offs or sacrifices. Now that Moore's Law is dead; there is not much computational power increase going into upper generations so it boils down silly software solutions such as upscaling, frame generation or shitty temporal filters to hide obvious quality drop if they had to render it at the same quality as older games but in higher resolution...

It all became a trade-off hellscape... And worst of all; due to these upscaling and framegen tech actual generational game engine improvements went out of window, it is even on the decline nowadays. It is so depressing

[tender frost]

Btw reading back the conversation, @rare meadow mentions about that to explain why ray racing sucks in RE engine. Does that mean if you disable Ray tracing that defect disappear?

[errant topaz]

100% agree, so sad

[errant topaz]

mh.. nice idea

[cerulean marsh]

I have raytracing on because the screeenspace reflections are so much worse

But I guess there is some low level raytraced GI in this game that's forced on iirc

[thin fjord]

It might happen with their ssgi too

[tender frost]

I use quality mode on 1440p anyways so I don't see it happening even if does to some miniscule degree..
It only becomes that visible if used with ultra-performance on 4k (probably base resolution matters)
It was an idea to test it out, but at the same time there are no surfaces that would activate RT in the video @fading cape shared on a hindsight

[amber blade]

Yeah for me the slider does nothing.

[cerulean marsh]

Something gotta be installed wrong if it doesn't do anything for you

On max whack the sharpening is very aggressive

[fading cape]

nope

[fading cape]

i try it in this video

[languid gyro]

i installed the new version and my game looked a lot worse at first until i swapped to pre-grade and fixed my game brightness
im assuming thats what the previous version defaulted to?

strangely my game brightness defaulted to 112 nits even though most oleds are 255+

[thin fjord]

Game brightness is computed from the peak it detects from windows calibration.

I like pregrade better too.

[languid gyro]

ohh i see

im on w10 so i guess it bugged out a bit

[merry tartan]

game brightness is computed based on peak. If you have an HDR400 screen where the peak is in that 400-500 ballpark, 112 would be right.

[merry tartan]

no, pregrade is what the filmic preset used

old mod's default was some random stuff to give the game more contrast and whatnot

[languid gyro]

oh okay, i was using TB400 mode so that seems to track

do you still have the old settings used for the contrast & stuff? i think got pretty hooked on that after seeing the vanilla HDR

[merry tartan]

it's not so simple to replicate, you'd just have to mess with color grading sliders until you have a look you want

[languid gyro]

it was still using the vanilla preset though right?

not the preset

lut exposure reverse i mean

[merry tartan]

yes it was lut exposure reverse set to vanilla

[languid gyro]

did this version lower the brightness too? or am i seeing things

thats what initially got me to check my game brightness

raised it to 203 & turned on pregrade and it seemed to replicate the old version's look pretty closely to my eyes

[merry tartan]

I can’t remember exactly where it was pre-4.0 but probably

[amber blade]

What would cause the RCAS from not working?

[cerulean marsh]

Can you send a screenshot with it cranked all the way up and one all the way down?

As far as sharpening algorithms go Lilium's Rcas is Pretty subtle so its effects might just not be all too apparent on some resolutions or with heavy upscaling.

Its a post processing shader that uses edges and contrast to sharpen and is applied at the very end of the rendering pipeline.

So if the base resolution is fairly low and doesn't have much in the way of clear edges it might just be struggling.

[amber blade]

It's performance DLSS at 5120x2160 so the base res is 2560x1080

but I also saw no diff with DLSS off

Off

On

[thin fjord]

could be that the sharpness shader is different for ultra wide and it break?

[amber blade]

I could try and test that

[merry tartan]

What does the compatibility tester say? RCAS is implemented in the same place as * a lot* of other code in the mod.

[amber blade]

It says good

[merry tartan]

RCAS will work if color grading sliders work

[amber blade]

all the colour grade sliders have always worked for me once you fixed them

RCAS never has

if it is working, I'm not seeing it

[merry tartan]

On my phone so someone else will have to confirm

[amber blade]

side note fixed the image problem I was having. When I was resetting things to try to get 4.0 to work I turned TAA Jitter back on which massively F's up DLSS in this game

Image no longer a fuzzy mess at range

[cerulean marsh]

Disable post processing might be having some issues with RenoDX

Even if it says its compatible that doesn't necessarily mean its being weird

not being weird

I do think its working though.

That image looks very smeary

But one looks somewhat sharper than the other.

[amber blade]

both look the same to me

[cerulean marsh]

They aren't

That back pillar rib is the easiest way to tell, the difference is extremely minimal.

But for some reason your screenshots look like they were generated by ai

[amber blade]

eh?

[cerulean marsh]

Like its all smeary

[amber blade]

oh that

[cerulean marsh]

Not blurry but all jumbled

[amber blade]

when I was trying to make 4.0 work before and went around resestting everything I turned back on TAA Jitter and that messed up image quality MASSIVELY and I only figured out that was the problem after taking them screenshots trying to get this to work

It was also driving me a little mad 😅

but fixed now

[cerulean marsh]

Can you do the test again?

[amber blade]

https://imgur.com/I5sUwFJ

[cerulean marsh]

One picture with RCAS at 0 and another at 100

[amber blade]

next time I boot the game up sure

without the post processing to disable the TAA jitter image quality takes a massive nosedive, its horrendus

[merry tartan]

was able to look, it's definitely working, though it looks like something else is horribly wrong in these shots lol

[merry tartan]

guessing this lol

[amber blade]

Yes, it was that. This is how things should look.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/136195888983965696/1466267647820955660/reno.png?ex=697c1fa9&is=697ace29&hm=1ec425c20b4e8de29aae266d9a21162657e3dd5ca2a3422eac786bb99de3fd42&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1646&height=695

[amber blade]

Time to play spot the difference

[cerulean marsh]

Yeah sure enough. They don't seem to be working

I just don't use disable post processing anymore. I use disable lens distortion and that's it

Especially since RenoDX lets you edit fog now

[amber blade]

lens distortion is and lens flare are the only two things I have disabled in post processing effects (and ofc the TAA jitter)

[rustic bridge]

oh the big patch from yesterday seems to fix high res texture

Major Additions and Changes
Improved CPU/GPU processing specific to the Steam version.
Reduced shader warming processes performed outside the shader compilation screen to lower CPU load.
Adjusted texture streaming to improve visual quality while reducing VRAM usage.
Adjusted the High Resolution Texture Pack to reduce VRAM usage and overall package size.

i'll give it a try "again" tonight

[tender frost]

this time it legit works, for the first time since the game released, high texture pack works acceptable without stutters for me with a 4090 btw (yes, it was still stuttering even with a 24gb card)

[woeful silo]

I saw a Reddit post saying that they removed a lot of the environment textures for it to work now

but I don't really care the monsters are looking incredibly detailed now

[magic nexus]

Pretty reasonable way to get it to work

I can use it without hitting my vram limit on a 12GB card too which seems unexpected

[green jackal]

they seem to have cut quality of textures for enviromental stuff when upclose and keep the character stuff intact from what I saw yesterday on Steam Forums

[cerulean marsh]

Could still run into issues. I stopped using it because I had some visual bugs

[amber blade]

I have same issue if I disable the mod entirely.

[static birch]

is this the right place to ask for tips? just downloaded this mod for wilds and trying to get it configured. Does it matter what dlss preset I use?

[thin fjord]

dlss preset doesn't matter for this. use the one that you prefer.

[silk blaze]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-seinfeld-80mXWlPqTSU1y

[silk blaze]

Upscaler doesn't matter. If you are using renodx with mods like disable post processing, you will need to make sure certain options are enabled/disbled.

You can probably scroll up and see settings people include with their overaly. For the most part it is all preference how you want your game to look.

Some people like dark colors or people like me like highlights and saturation.

https://giphy.com/gifs/lol-laughing-laugh-EJIqwKKY30Dlu

[static birch]

thanks, I'll mess around. I definitely like the colors popping

[amber blade]

Gotta hand it to ya @merry tartan, the Regrade presset is pretty nice.

[woeful silo]

nice GS 🤝

[late marten]

I don't understand RenoDX works but its giving me (WARNING)

It used to be good

But after swapping to the latest dlss 310.5.3 it now never changes from (warning)

[fading cape]

send a screenshot of the full warning

[late marten]

All my mods are armor edits, i only have disable lens as a visual mod

[rustic bridge]

holy shit, the hub is so smooth with new update

sitting at 90fps

they finally debloated their pipeline by fixing spagetti code haha

fsr4 native AA: 55fps
fsr4 quality: 75fps
finally the performance gain we would expect by droping the resolution

[merry tartan]

Idk if there’s truth to it but some people on nexus have mentioned that RT on is needed. I’ll have to check and add new shaders if true

[late marten]

Probably true cuz i have RT off

[tender frost]

did we find about the reason why quest complete background colors are morphed weirdly and low brightness when using RenoDX?

I don't see any other weirdness and I am ok to live with it but I remember somebody wrote about at some point

[silk blaze]

I turned off my RT to test and it still showed good for me. I have visual mods as well.

[amber blade]

I can confirm everything looks a ton worse with RT off.

no idea if it breaks anything but the difference is more than when I toggle it on/off with Reno disabled.

[merry tartan]

It will continue to say good if it sees fog shaders ever (until you restart)

So it doesn’t throw warnings if there’s are scenes without fog

It’s imperfect, there’s no way to make the detection flawless.

[fading cape]

man idk how yall use so little vram my game uses 15gb without dlc textures

okay well obs was using a gb for replay buffer but im still at 13.9gb

in grand hub

maybe rivatuner is lying to me task manager is saying otherwise

[merry tartan]

Ultimately measuring vram usage is imperfect and the game may just commit whatever it sees available and stream accordingly (the ideal really). RTSS and SK can also take an educated guess at “real” vram usage, but I’ve still observed issues even when those numbers should indicate I wouldn’t. Imo, the only good way to determine if vram is a problem is if it’s actually stuttering or textures aren’t loading (I was getting vram problems on 16 gb with it all maxed out with framegen on unfortunately, predominantly in oilwell basin hunts, and disabling framegen gave me enough overhead).

[fading cape]

oh wait i forgot wilds shows vram usage in settings is that what yall were using?

[fading cape]

yeah nothing seems to agree lol ig ill just test it to see

[amber blade]

I'm not entirely sure what I did but, game looks like this now

[fading cape]

what's wrong?

[amber blade]

nothings wrong

but not sure what I did to end up with it looking this right

[fading cape]

yeah i noticed the monsters look extra clean

i was using regrade

looks good

[silk blaze]

What is going on with the pixelation on the shadows?

[fading cape]

dithering is my guess

[silk blaze]

I am not familiar with how that works but the pixelation looks bad 🙁

[fading cape]

probably a mod to fix it lol

some mod is breaking my game after updating my reframework

[amber blade]

Shadow Resolution prob too low, I can fix that

[silk blaze]

https://giphy.com/gifs/7TKI24NcIxMuy8g8AY

^ THe shadows be like

[silk blaze]

You are right. I restarted and it is showing a warning now. So must be something with the RT.

[fading cape]

still there but much better

[silk blaze]

It is your game how you like it. More shadows is going to drop the performance so keep it how you want it.

[amber blade]

to get rid of the fuss entirely on still image I need to up the shadow quality so high I get 10fps 😅

big dip from a locked 60

though now I'm not mid mount attack animation, doesn't look fussy on the setting I had tbh

[fading cape]

it was the fakeplayerlight remover mod if anyone else gets issues with the game not launching and just showing a black screen

on the latest reframework specifically for some reason

[amber blade]

btw the crispness of monsters/everything else.

I set the LOD bias in more graphics options of everything to -5

No idea how much it's impacting performance

from my testing it doesn't

[amber blade]

I see Alma is Forklift Certified

[silk blaze]

Stop being a bully to the monster for screen shots 🙁

[fading cape]

the fucker had it coming

[amber blade]

The one in my screenshot is still alive

[merry tartan]

I need to setup a screenshot binding on my controller so I can get some good action shots lol

Keep having moments in fights that are wowing me and wishing I was grabbing screens

[knotty cypress]

set home button to prtscrn

[merry tartan]

Gonna map a paddle lol

[umbral vale]

time to get back into mh:wilds, been forever, but here we go

[amber blade]

I just quickly pause things then disable the UI / use freecam

Hotkey combo to pause quicker would be smarter though, I should do that

[amber blade]

Ok recent changes to Reno have made Ray Tracing Tweaks within Reframework less janky

Well worth turning it on and setting the ray trace type to screen space photon mapping.

[fading cape]

on ur pro 3 how?

[magic nexus]

8bitdo's more recent controllers have full steam input support with dinput

[magic nexus]

so you can map the extra buttons arbitrarily and it shows up accurately in steam

I have mine set so that holding L4 brings up a radial menu

not sure what other good things i could put there so its just ref's hide ui option and the reshade screenshot

I did have R5 as its own radial menu for music controls but I just put that on the dpad instead

[rustic bridge]

what is that new tonemapper neutwo?

it's quite heavy vs vanilla

[merry tartan]

What kind of framerate difference are you seeing? The whole code path with the tonemapper selected would be heavier regardless of which tonemap is used but it shouldn’t be that significant.

[rustic bridge]

on character selection screen
preset
off: 109fps
vanilla+: 106.5fps
regrade: 100.5fps

[violet kindle]

I think it's a good idea to monitor the GPU shared memory usage. If that isn't increasing, then there's no concern about overall VRAM usage

[rustic bridge]

I'm very statisfied of the current state of the game. I can now play with high res textures with "only" 16GB VRAM without stuttering and has headroom for mods like reno to lock 60+fps.

[dawn harness]

Very nice. They've been doing QoL patches for performance?

[merry tartan]

Huh, that’s very strange and doesn’t make much sense

I’ll see if I see the same kinda hit when I get a chance

[merry tartan]

To be clear, the off vs vanilla+ one makes sense to me. I have no clue why regrade would be doing that though, it’s not running much more code at all.

[rustic bridge]

They fixed the performance issue of their RE engine. The fps gain is tremendous. It's a night and day difference. They even fixed the high res textures loading with better vram budget management. It should have been that wayin the first place.

[rustic bridge]

oh yes, the tonemapper doesn't change when you select a preset. You have to actually select vanilla vs neutwo.

[merry tartan]

Wait if you pick vanllla tonemapping and click vanilla+, it's not switching to neutwo?

That's definitely not intended 😅

[rustic bridge]

not on the versioni'm using

i picked the last one on nexus though

30 jan

by ritsu

[merry tartan]

latest on nexus would be right

(we both manage that page)

[rustic bridge]

it's no big deal, it's just a delta of performance i've noticed

i'm using vanilla tonemapper

because i kind of like how conservative the tonemapper is

[merry tartan]

vanilla tonemapper or vanlla parameters?

[rustic bridge]

it preserves the volumetric fog and has more brightness to scene

[merry tartan]

the vanilla tonemapper is just the unmodded game basically

[rustic bridge]

vanilla+ preset & vanilla tonemapper

[merry tartan]

arguably worse actually cause it isn't doing any display mapping at all

it functions in SDR though

[rustic bridge]

I don't know, it looks good to me. I have access to LUT sliders

[merry tartan]

yeah you can still edit some things with it

we could replicate full vanilla functionality but it would complicate the mod on the user side, you'd have to trigger the lutbuilder to rerun

[rustic bridge]

I've also checked if your last sliders are actually off and they are 🙂

filmgrain/vignette/rcas etc

[merry tartan]

yeah they don't run with vanilla

[rustic bridge]

you can bet I would be screaming here haha

[merry tartan]

oh I lied they do

[rustic bridge]

fog slider doesn't do anything though

is that normal?

[merry tartan]

normal with RT off until I find the shaders

[dawn harness]

Wow

[fading cape]

does this show extra buttons on the controller?

idk how to even change that surely it's not the per game controller layout

yeah looking at the og review for it i saw it seems they updated it

never used dinput mode bluetooth probably be adding way too much latency too

[magic nexus]

im not sure it does in the graphic (you couldnt see them from there anyways) but it shows L4 and R4 on either side

I'm using dinput over the 2.4 dongle attached via the charging dock

only real annoying thing is that my controller doesn't have the toggle on the back to change to dinput so instead I'll have to occassionally turn it off and back on by holding the power button and B

seems like it should look like this for yours

[fading cape]

where do you see that

[magic nexus]

just from a google search https://old.reddit.com/r/8bitdo/comments/1nb7la6/pro_3_controller_works_in_steam_but_not_in_game/#bottom-comments

[fading cape]

that post doesn't tell me anything

how did you get to that menu is what im asking

[magic nexus]

oh I thought you meant that graphic. Connect your controller and in steam on the games page you should see this

[fading cape]

can you not change settings for every game?

[magic nexus]

thats what it shows for wilds, and in this case its dinput so it says "your controller" otherwise it says "your xbox controller" when its xinput

[fading cape]

yeah i know all that lol

i feel like you aren't reading my questions lmao

[magic nexus]

then figure it out yourself dude

i can only respond so quickly

[fading cape]

not tryna be rude

mb